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You should let the water boil 5 to 10 mins. This lets anything in the water time to die. Also it is a good idea to bring a second, smaller water bottle as an emergency bottle. Because you never know what will happen in a camping/survival situation. But 5-10 mins is how long you should boil water and also make sure to run the water through a shirt or a Shemagh to remove any large particles.
I did a temp assignment at Nalgene years ago. The agency told me my assignment was up, so I stopped going. A few days passed and then I get a call from Nalgene. Apparently they hired me on full time but nobody told me. Since I didn't show up the first few days, they fired me. Good news was that I got a pretty nice severance package that was worth a few thousand dollars. Not bad for a job I didn't even know I had.
i was most impressed that you quite obviously were completely objective in your detailed evaluation of the two bottles...listing and discussing both their weaknesses and strengths. So much so, that I assumed that you preferred the Nalgene bottle until the end of the video when you stated that you preferred the military canteen. This is the exact type of objective product comparisons that are needed. Thank You! Well Done!
agreed. to me, i think that the nalgene makes a better water bottle, and the canteen makes a better all around bottle (putting in fire, cooking kit, even versus a nesting cup on the nalgene, etc).
Thank you for this video, very informative. Regarding the seam: when the canteen is placed into the cup, the seam seals the cup to guard against contamination of the cup. Regarding the canteen's turned in lip: this is to accommodate a fish mouth spreader to hang the canteen above a fire. Lastly, the cap is made from Bakelite, more durable than regular plastic. If the cap falls into the fire you'll have a few seconds to retrieve it without damage.
That is not the reason there is a seam on these shape bottles at all, it's a side effect of manufacturing a vessel of this shape, it isn't possible to make them in one piece and must be manufactured in 2 parts and crimped together.
Lily, at first I thought you were missing the cup that slides onto the bottom of the canteen when you mentioned the 'bomb proof' rim. The lip around the military canteen is designed to keep debris out of the cup when it is slid into place under the canteen. The military canteen is designed with the curve on it so troops that carry them on their web belt would have the canteen contour to their hip. Since the mil canteen has thicker walls, I would have expected it to boil slower than the Nalgene -but 20 seconds is not much of a difference. OKAY, with all that being said, I have to tell you, this is one of the best outdoor videos I have seen, certainly the best comparison video. What makes it stand out is your attention to detail be providing detailed specs on each bottle, the pros and cons of practical uses of each and of course the prices. Well done. Keep up the great work.
Hi Lilly, thank you for a great video. The 'rim' on the military style canteen is because the canteen is manufactured in two separate sections, top and bottom, which are then welded together. It is possible to manufacture this type of bottle in one piece, however this is much more difficult and much more expensive.
Hello from Oklahoma.Great review and assessment of the equipment. I hope Mr. Canterbury was paying attention. All of your findings are valid. I appreciate the information, wished I would've seen this alot sooner. Love the videos old, and new. Loved the kit in a can. God Bless!
Lilly, you always find some very important detail or seldom addressed aspect of bushcraft or survival to bring to my attention. Most of the UA-cam survival guys just do their variations on the same general themes or topics. But you get down into the subject at hand and then you speak to the things I wonder about and you do it very well! Plus, your partner, Dax is always fun to watch. It sometimes looks as though he is trained to perform when the camera is recording him. LOL Great dog. You are a great survival teacher. And easy on the eyes too. Thanks.
irritablearchitect I just hope hes not going in the back of the car for the ride home as my dog does lol, all that mud. My dog loves to go for a swim in the river just as we are about to leave lol, end up hanging round a bit longer so the sun can dry him a bit, lucky hes black in that regard.
An advantage to the Nalgene is that there are many inexpensive (and expensive) insulating bottle holders sized to fit the standard nalgene shape that can keep it from freezing overnight.
Hi Lilly, to clean the groove inside a canteen: cut some new sponge and wrap it over the end of a wooden spoon handle. Tie it in place with some dental floss. Then get the sponge wet and put toothpaste on it. It is slightly abrasive, but won't scratch the stainless steel. Use the wooden spoon handle/sponge to polish all the hard to reach areas inside your canteen. When done rinse with boiling water and stand upright to dry. The canteen will be so hot from the rinse that any water left in it will evaporate quickly.
Thank you for the honest review. I have both systems. I found the same pros and cons as you. But I prefer the Nalgene set up. I can't say exactly why, I just do :) Both are great!!! take care -Chris
Thank you for doing a good review in the field and showing the pros & cons objectively before stating your personal preference. Well done!! As for those that ignore the canteens and gripe about how the firesteel was truck, no worries over them please. Most Mora knives, good as they are, don't have a 90 degree spine for striking a firesteel. Likewise, many far more expensive knives with various coatings (including ESEE) don't allow for spine striking either without modification to remove the coating or filing the spine. Using the cutting edge as a striker might dull the blade or chip it in a worst case scenario, it's easily fixed by sharpening in the field or when getting back home. No big deal. Thanks again for a good review! (OldMan, 40+ years experience in the bush)
anyways i admire anyone who can speak their native language and another common language (as for you its german and english ) im of german and austrian ancestory and i just love the culture of those two nations keep it up
No it's not, it's not possible to manufacture these bottles in one piece so they must be manufactured in 2 parts and crimped together, knowing this fact they designed it so it wouldn't effect the cup going onto the bottom for nesting. If they could make it in one piece they would have and there would be no issue with debris because you can just wipe out the cup before use. This is why round bottles with nesting cups don't have a seem, because they can be made in one piece which is a far superior method for both strength, and to remove the issue of bacterial growth in the seams.
The lip on the canteen Adds rigidity to the weakest point of the bottle to prevent crushing, it also creates a crude seal between the cup and the bottle to prevent debris from getting into the cup, it also adds a gripping point so the sweating bottle is less likely to slip out of your hand, it also helps keep the bottle in the carrying pouch so in effect all of the suggestions of its purpose in these comments are correct. It simply does all of those things.... :)
Hello Lilly, Before a Canteen was made with tin so that was a problem before and I never heard anyone getting Alzheimer from stainless steel. Also when you screw the cap on the Canteen, start by going backwards until it you feel it clicks from the beginning of the thread for the line up so it fit will screw in correctly and have a even rotation for the seal. The lip on the Canteen is for the cup when attached so it will not rattle loosely. Most of all I agree with you using the Canteen and now I'm gonna purchase one. Thanks..
Good video Lilly... Every tough prepping review I have seen on this military canteen didn't even take bacteria into consideration. Best review for this category I have ever seen!
Great vid Lilly. With my Pathfinder Canteen I just swish a little peroxide around inside once in a while before I use it and it kill just about everything. I do agree that the lip and seams are a little bothersome for catching undesirables. My lid doesn't leak and it is much easier to get on and off, I wonder if you just got a bad lid? It might be worth mentioning to Dave's crew and see if they will send you a second lid to try.
A military rule of thumb: only use water for water containers. No bacteria. Also, you could use plastic canteens with a steel canteen cup, too. Use the cup to boil water and once it is cooled, store inside the canteen. I use a Kelly Kettle and carry multiple plastic water containers. I can boil water on the go, in just a few minutes and leave no trace. Also, I cook in a high quality steel thermos when possible. Give it a try!
I've used and trusted Nalgene bottles for decades. Whether plastic or steel, they do not leak, they do not break. I recently acquired the Pathfinder cup/pot, and it nests perfectly. Never liked the hip flask design of that other one, nor its nesting cup. Nalgene for me, but I appreciate the review.
You said the military canteen was 5-6mm thick. That's a 1/4" thick. I know the pathfinder website says 5-6mm but that would make the canteen weigh about 6-7lbs. It's more likely that it is 5-6mils which is 5-6 thousandths of an inch or 1.5 mm.
Ed Ben 5-6 milliliters is a quantity of liquid, not thickness of a material, 20 mils = 1 Tablespoon of liquid. though 5mm thick must be wrong also as that's half a cm :S
Thank you for taking the time to explain all these things that you do. Very intelligent young woman. There are two people that I follow all the time, you and Joe Robinet. Awesome.
I grew up in Boy Scouts in the States in the 50's and 60's, and have always loved the military-style canteen and canteen cup. They were cheap and readily available as war surplus, which was perfect for us Scouts. (I still have mine!) I don't remember there being a nesting stove back in those days, but I've had one for a couple of decades. For me, it's more the comforting thought of having a back-up way of cooking than as something I've used often. The smaller, 'normal' GI nesting stoves work with my small Trangia alcohol stove, so it is useful when open fires are not an option. I agree that the "L" handle on the canteen cup makes it stable in the fire, and on uneven ground. And the ground is *always* uneven!
The lip around the canteen is there, to prevent dirt from getting into the canteen cup, that the canteen generally comes with. When your wearing the canteen and cup in your Molle canteen cover, it helps keep sand and dust that lands on the top of your canteen and rests on top of the cover, from falling down into your cup or the dirt leaking down into it from rain or condensation, or perhaps a leaking canteen. They started adding that rim around 1944-45. From what I've heard, the WWII Marine's were complaining that the sand on all the beaches they were assaulting was always ending up settling in there canteen cups. I'd guess the creator of this model liked that feature and used it. In my experience, it does seem to work! Prior to 1944, the seam went around the canteen from top to bottom, with no lip of course; but the simplest explanation is, that they cast the canteens in two parts, then join them together at that seam. Making the seam with a lip, helps keep the dirt out! :)
Lilly. The military canteen should of come with a cup that fits on the out side of the canteen and it comes with 2 wire handles . The cup is also good to cook in.
Hi lily, I'm not sure if someone has already mentioned it but I believe the lip on the military canteen is where the the canteen cup would sit. Being former us army we would put our canteens in our canteen cups and then in the pouch.
just a simple practical suggestion, -for your Nalgene bottle you better use a fish mouth spreader. that would help you to hang the whole bottle with water over an open fire to get it boiled. i used it and it worked just great.
Very thorough comparison Lilly. I think the military canteen is the better of the two because you get the stove, cup and canteen for one price and the Nalgene bottle is clearly lacking right out of the gate due to the fact that it has no stove and is top heavy. Not only does the canteen cup stove provide stability, but it also has the safety feature of lessening the possibility of starting a ground fire.
Use a baby bottle brush to clean all canteens and shake a paper towel inside to completely dry the inside. I prefer a military canteen because of the accessories like cup, stove and cloth carrying pouch that attatches onto any belt.
Great comparison of these two bottles. The cleaning of the inside of the military bottle to kill any bacteria can be done with a little bleach in water and let it sit for a while. Rob.
Hi Lilly...greetings from Chicago Illinois...USA....I really enjoy all your videos. They are always well thought out and informative and helpful. I've just only been a subscriber for three weeks when I seen your video of making bacon and eggs along with your hot chocolate and have enjoyed them ever since. Thank you for keeping me entertained and also learning from your excursions. Give Dak a hug and look forward to your next adventure .....final thought, I always collect and save lint from the dryer screen which makes a real good fire starter.....peace
You're RIGHT, Lily, when deciding between the two, it all comes down to personal preference. I must admit I didn't even know the military canteen was available in SS. EFFERDENT, the anti-bacterial denture cleaner, does the best job of anything for removing coffee stains or any other stains from inside any SS container. I thought someone was teasing me 20 years when I first tried it, however, I discovered that it really works. Put an EFFERDENT tablet in hot water inside the SS container & leave it overnight. The next morning the stains are GONE. I smiled when you told us the two containers capacity in OUNCES instead of ML's.
Nice Video... the seam on the military type canteen is to stop the canteen from pushing down to deep in the cup and becoming stuck in the cup. Back in the day that was a common problem with the old G.I. issue plastic canteens.
I bought a 20 ounce water bottle made of stainless steel at Wal-Mart for three dollars. It has lasted me for ten years so far. Most camping or survival gear if so overpriced as to be ridiculous. My stainless fry pan & 40 ounce pot together cost me fifteen bucks. Look in the housewares department, insted of the sporting goods department. Spend that saved money on a good quality first aid kit, and beer. Love your videos, I learned alot from them.
Danke Lilley für die tolle Produktpräsentation. Ich selbst finde den Preis den die Military Canteen mehr kostet immer noch ok. Wenn die Qualität stimmt dann hat man auch sehr lange Freude daran. Grüße Ruben
Hallo Lilly, meines Wissens wird diese Form der Edelstahl-Nalgene nicht mehr hergestellt. Die neue Flaschenform läuft unten konisch zu, vermutlich um besser in irgendwelche Cupholder zu passen. Das Füllvolumen ist auch leicht geringer. Ich denke auch, dass das neue Nalgene Modell nicht mehr vernünftig in den Tatonka Becher passt. Viele Grüße
Well I am a dog guy and sometimes I think watch your vids just to see your dog, what a great dog. Where I live in the mountains there are several dogs around that keep me company, all the benefits of having a dog yet not owning one
I've been a stainless bottle person for a long time. Owned and lost many ss bottles. My last bottles were Kleen and Pathfinder. Once I found Nalgene I was convinced. It will do everything a survival bottle needs and it has a neck that can take a lanyard. At $27 I bought two. Two is one. Many other stainless bottles are over $30.
Honestly I thought what could be to this comparison. But wow you were very thorough and detailed great job... Impressed with the knowledge you share from experience.
Hi Lilley the pathfinder canteens Rim / crease is where the two halves upper and lower halves of the canteen were put together Sorry if this had ready been stated
I love the military style canteen better also and in a way I wish the U.S. military still issued the steel canteens instead of the plastic ones they now issue, but they didn't plan for them to be used to heat water in. Both of the containers you have are nice and the cups which come with them look nice also.
you can use a fish mouth spring device that keeps a toothed fish from biting you as you remove the hook. It is spring loaded, you can get it from a lot of fishing stores. It also fits into the mouth of either the water bottle or canteen, the spring end is in a coil spring loop style where you can hang either over the fire.
Thanks, Lily, for the review. I also have both products and use them. There is no perfect solution. The Nalgene bottles fit the side pockets of my pack really well. The cup (Olicamp with lid) and stove work well enough. But the canteen has a much better cup and holds more. There is no perfect solution, especially in this case. Perhaps one of each is a good idea. Also, MILSURP canteen pouches make excellent pockets for a MOLLE compatible pack. I keep several around for this reason. Well done.
Thanks lilly I agree with your choice but I own both for my kit. Water is always carried outside my pack, for obvious reasons. You are a jewel,but Dax steals the show God Bless !
Thank you for the great review. No one else went into detail about the pathfinder canteen how the inside has gaps and is hard to clean. You saved me from buying that pathfinder garbage. Please keep reviewing products in detail, you do a great job.
If you get the Nalgene bottle, and also buy a steel cup, the price is almost the same, but the military canteen includes the cup, plus the carry pouch, a better buy in the long run. Thanks for showing the 2 styles and providing both good and bad points of both.
Good video Lilly, thanks. BTW, you can see the purpose of the ridge on the military canteen when you put it in the cup. You can see it's inserted correctly, and dirt or grit will not get into the cup. Also, you mentioned price. The military canteen is more expensive, but you said you got the cup and a stove with it, while you had to buy a separate cup for the Nalgene bottle. If you also got a stove, the price would probably be nearly equal. And you gave good reasons why the military canteen was better than the Nalgene bottle.
The raised ridge on the Military Styled canteen is caused by the manufacturing process of joining the upper stamping and lower stamping due to the complex shape. Later aluminum canteens were made from two shells and eliminated the ridge. Maybe we could suggest to Pathfinder to modify the canteen cap to be designed to resemble the tactical Riflescope caps currently on some sniper rifles with ribbed outer ring built in. A technique I use for fine to medium threads is to place the cap on and turn counterclockwise until the cap makes a "Click" sound. The threads should now be properly aligned to be secured without cross threading. Give it a try. as usual I enjoyed your video and thoughtful presentation.
+James Carmean So many ideas about the ridge. I was going to leave a comment, but you got it dead right. The raised ridge on the Military Styled canteen is caused by the manufacturing process of joining the upper stamping and lower stamping due to the complex shape. Exactly.
The rib on the military "style" canteen is probably for mating with a military "style" canteen cup and allows for some air gap so it doesn't get stuck in the cup.
Lily, I really like your videos - very informative and fun to watch. Being a dog person (Aussie Shepherd and my rescue Labrador), I just have to know - is that a Springer Spaniel? Absolute fun, and a great companion dog for you. Please keep up the good work. Come camp in lovely eastern Oklahoma!
Hallo Lilly Das ist echt schlecht mit der Öffnung bei der Military Flasche. Ein richtiger Keimsammler. Danke für die Infos und schöne Ostern noch Vg Guido
Lilly...well someone finally has the courage to point out the defects in the masters canteen (Dave Canterbury) even though it's your pick. Don't get me wrong, I respect the man a lot and have learned a lot from him. He's earned the title of master. But I have always wondered about the seam half way up the canteen and the seal of the cap. Thanks for the info. As for me? I rely on both the Berkey sports bottle and the Sawyer Mini filter for water purification as simple boiling will not take out heavy metals and the Berkey bottle will do so. And with an added two drops of iodine, it will also kill viruses. And here in southern Arizona, chemicals are a concern as the State has a history of mining and that means all sorts of chemicals that could be in a creek. maybe...maybe not, so I take no chances. And, building a fire isn't always practable. Thanks for all that you do...great efforts! Stay well! Charles
I'm sorry you speak so roughly of Dave, I hope my Lord won't judge me as harshly. Dave is a sinner such as I . I think he strives to do more good than evil !
mrbakerskatz Well now I think you had better reread exactly what I said, And just in case you do not here it is..."Don't get me wrong, I respect the man a lot and have learned a lot from him. He's earned the title of master. But I have always wondered about the seam half way up the canteen and the seal of the cap." Canterbury is the top rung of the bushcraft ladder. Period and we all know that to be a fact. He's also a blacksmith/iron worker and so much more. He a supreme teacher. I was only wondering about the seams in his canteen. And, it seems that my concerns were justified to a certain degree...and Lilly was the one who pointed them out.
mrbakerskatz I'm not talking down to you or anyone. But if you cannot understand my comment and my reply to you, it seems that apparently you do not understand plain english....because I really do not understand how I'm slandering Dave when I state...""He's earned the title of master."" Wishing you a blessed Easter. ;) Charles
Charles Larson No I was talking more about "the courage to point out the defects in the masters canteen ". It's ok a lot of people do that jealous or what ever it is I don't like it. But Dave is working to make life better for all. He is a sinner ,such as I
Since the canteen was made to fit into the cup (and both of them nestled into the canvas bag ...along with the 'stove' that went into the bag first, but that's not what I wanted to mention. The bottom of the canteen and the cup are both made from the same mold so that the original manufacturer could simplify the process. Millions were made and after WWII was over, you could get them with the wool-padded container for less than $5 and they were stainless steel at the time ...and so were the clam-shell mess kits (all of them held up to the beatings the Boy Scouts gave them ...and after 75 years of continuous use, many of them are still being used for camping today. GandolfTheWise (My dad was in WWII in the Philippine jungles ...and my scouts always used them too.) PS - I love all of your UA-cam presentations
I see you brought 'ol muddy buddy with you,---- he looks so happy when he wallows in the mud! PS, thank for the comparison, been wondering which one to get😁👍
Concerning the difficulty removing the canteen lid in winter, you may consider using an oil filter wrench that has a woven strap that fits around the filter. Should make for easy removal in any weather due too leverage provided by the handle with minimal effort.
the point of the rim was so that when you put the canteen in the cup it fills the gap so that rocks and dirty dont go in the cup when rolling around in the field
But it also greatly reinforces it against crushing inward or buckling, acting like angle iron reinforcing the sheet metal. The concave, asymmetric shape of the canteen is much more vulnerable to crushing than a cylinder is. A good functional designer, aesthetic designer, and mechanical engineer doing stress analysis can all contribute to a good design where form follows function. Especially in designs which have evolved over time, as canteens have, and weaknesses are found and fixed. Great products are the way they are, for combinations of reasons considered when optimizing the product. Debating one reason versus another as why something was done a certain way, misses the point that it was done to balance all the reasons in a way that works for the intended purposes.
I just got a Nalgene bottle, They are soo awesome and robust. I dont think they make the one you have anymore though. Just the backpacker edition. All the best!
I find the canteen easier to carry as well. But that might just be familiarity with that style talking. I also carry the large plastic 2 quart on my ruck frame. The shape of the other bottle always felt too wide on the belt and too long to just slip into a cargo pocket. Thank you for,the great video.
That's a welded seam around the middle of the canteen. The shape is difficult to make from a single piece of metal, and a welded flange is quick and easy vs figuring out how to seam weld around the irregular contours of the canteen. The threads/neck of the Nalgene are machined and welded onto the bottle, but in a way that retains a food grade finish. And Nalgene is more corrosion resistant.
Fair enough. I did wonder if it was a relatively cheap blade cut on a guillotine in such a way that it doesn't have a hard edge, in which case i was going to suggest running the back of the knife over a finisher or diamond file to create a square back...works well with the cheaper knives like mora's and similar.
Late comment but get a cheap toothbrush to make cleaning the bottles easier. It can get in that line and around the whole bottle with ease. It helps clean a lot of other stuff too.
Hi Survival Lilly. I am quite aware of this video being a year old now, but I wanted to tell you of Self reliance outfitters Gen3 SS bottle and cup/pot setup. I recently purchased one to augment my SS canteen set from them as well. Awesome piece of gear and an additional pot is great for quicker meals and coffee or tea. Oh well, thats just an idea if you haven't already tried one. Stay in the dirt and keep the videos coming, we sure do enjoy them.
Not a fan of either choices. Here's why: Rubber, or plastic lids melt when put into direct fire. If I were going to bring a water bottle, the whole thing would be steel or titanium. That way, if I don't have an electric or propane stove, and had to stick my bottle in the fire to heat it up, I wouldn't have to worry about the lid melting and destroying my water container and it's contents. Love your videos though. I learn a lot from watching them. Thank you. 😊
Another helpful review! I have both but have not tested them with simultaneous boiling. It seemed that the insulated (vacuum) Nalgene might boil slower but you have proved otherwise.
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You should let the water boil 5 to 10 mins. This lets anything in the water time to die. Also it is a good idea to bring a second, smaller water bottle as an emergency bottle. Because you never know what will happen in a camping/survival situation. But 5-10 mins is how long you should boil water and also make sure to run the water through a shirt or a Shemagh to remove any large particles.
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Why do you use ounces if you're Austrian? Mainly for the American audience, or is that what you're used to?
Informative. Thanks.
Love the dog enjoying himself
I did a temp assignment at Nalgene years ago. The agency told me my assignment was up, so I stopped going. A few days passed and then I get a call from Nalgene. Apparently they hired me on full time but nobody told me. Since I didn't show up the first few days, they fired me. Good news was that I got a pretty nice severance package that was worth a few thousand dollars. Not bad for a job I didn't even know I had.
The job agency was probably not getting paid for you being there anymore..
i was most impressed that you quite obviously were completely objective in your detailed evaluation of the two bottles...listing and discussing both their weaknesses and strengths. So much so, that I assumed that you preferred the Nalgene bottle until the end of the video when you stated that you preferred the military canteen. This is the exact type of objective product comparisons that are needed. Thank You! Well Done!
agreed. to me, i think that the nalgene makes a better water bottle, and the canteen makes a better all around bottle (putting in fire, cooking kit, even versus a nesting cup on the nalgene, etc).
Thank you for this video, very informative.
Regarding the seam: when the canteen is placed into the cup, the seam seals the cup to guard against contamination of the cup.
Regarding the canteen's turned in lip: this is to accommodate a fish mouth spreader to hang the canteen above a fire.
Lastly, the cap is made from Bakelite, more durable than regular plastic. If the cap falls into the fire you'll have a few seconds to retrieve it without damage.
That is not the reason there is a seam on these shape bottles at all, it's a side effect of manufacturing a vessel of this shape, it isn't possible to make them in one piece and must be manufactured in 2 parts and crimped together.
@@MDM1992 not true. I own military canteens that are made in 1-piece
@@MDM1992you have never seen blow molded items?
Very thorough comparison Lilly. I have the same canteen and never considered the issue with the seam. Scratch Dax behind the ears for me.
Lily, at first I thought you were missing the cup that slides onto the bottom of the canteen when you mentioned the 'bomb proof' rim. The lip around the military canteen is designed to keep debris out of the cup when it is slid into place under the canteen. The military canteen is designed with the curve on it so troops that carry them on their web belt would have the canteen contour to their hip. Since the mil canteen has thicker walls, I would have expected it to boil slower than the Nalgene -but 20 seconds is not much of a difference. OKAY, with all that being said, I have to tell you, this is one of the best outdoor videos I have seen, certainly the best comparison video. What makes it stand out is your attention to detail be providing detailed specs on each bottle, the pros and cons of practical uses of each and of course the prices. Well done. Keep up the great work.
Lilly, you don't have to thank anyone for watching. We need to thank you for doing these excellent vids.
MaximusArurealius agreed!
I am an old USArmy grunt and will love and use the military canteen forever.
+Gorbag Goes Camping Plus it is real issue so it is "Bomb Proof." :)
Thanks for the video, enjoyed it as I do all of your videos.
much respect,
Gorbag
that ring on the military canteen is so it does not get stuck in the cup that it sits in when carried.
+Survival Lilly It's both!:)
Hi Lilly, thank you for a great video. The 'rim' on the military style canteen is because the canteen is manufactured in two separate sections, top and bottom, which are then welded together. It is possible to manufacture this type of bottle in one piece, however this is much more difficult and much more expensive.
Hello from Oklahoma.Great review and assessment of the equipment. I hope Mr. Canterbury was paying attention. All of your findings are valid. I appreciate the information, wished I would've seen this alot sooner. Love the videos old, and new. Loved the kit in a can. God Bless!
Lilly, you always find some very important detail or seldom addressed aspect of bushcraft or survival to bring to my attention. Most of the UA-cam survival guys just do their variations on the same general themes or topics. But you get down into the subject at hand and then you speak to the things I wonder about and you do it very well!
Plus, your partner, Dax is always fun to watch. It sometimes looks as though he is trained to perform when the camera is recording him. LOL Great dog.
You are a great survival teacher.
And easy on the eyes too.
Thanks.
Wouldn't be a Lily vid without Dax wallering around in the mud.
irritablearchitect I just hope hes not going in the back of the car for the ride home as my dog does lol, all that mud. My dog loves to go for a swim in the river just as we are about to leave lol, end up hanging round a bit longer so the sun can dry him a bit, lucky hes black in that regard.
An advantage to the Nalgene is that there are many inexpensive (and expensive) insulating bottle holders sized to fit the standard nalgene shape that can keep it from freezing overnight.
Another very good and fair review. Job well done.
Hi Lilly, to clean the groove inside a canteen: cut some new sponge and wrap it over the end of a wooden spoon handle. Tie it in place with some dental floss. Then get the sponge wet and put toothpaste on it. It is slightly abrasive, but won't scratch the stainless steel. Use the wooden spoon handle/sponge to polish all the hard to reach areas inside your canteen. When done rinse with boiling water and stand upright to dry. The canteen will be so hot from the rinse that any water left in it will evaporate quickly.
Like people will carry a sponge with them just to clean their canteen. I will pass.
MrOldclunker You don't think spreading knowledge is a good thing ?
And your reply means?
+MrOldclunker or you could just wait 'til you get home ...
What if your out for weeks. I don't go for just a day hike.
Thank you for the honest review. I have both systems. I found the same pros and cons as you. But I prefer the Nalgene set up. I can't say exactly why, I just do :) Both are great!!! take care -Chris
Hey Chris Happy Easter
I love your videos !
mrbakerskatz thanks brother! Happy Easter to you as well! ROCK ON!
on the pathfinder military canteen, the rim is a seam. it is made in two pieces and then assembled.
Thank you for doing a good review in the field and showing the pros & cons objectively before stating your personal preference. Well done!! As for those that ignore the canteens and gripe about how the firesteel was truck, no worries over them please. Most Mora knives, good as they are, don't have a 90 degree spine for striking a firesteel. Likewise, many far more expensive knives with various coatings (including ESEE) don't allow for spine striking either without modification to remove the coating or filing the spine. Using the cutting edge as a striker might dull the blade or chip it in a worst case scenario, it's easily fixed by sharpening in the field or when getting back home. No big deal. Thanks again for a good review! (OldMan, 40+ years experience in the bush)
I think you have the worlds dirtiest dog! But also the happiest!
+hat wobbla I love it when a dog gets to be a dog.
+hat wobbla I thought the dog was on happy tablets could also be what it is being fed....woof.
+Dj Ruccy And wearing ribbons and sweaters....
+hat wobbla DAX constantly proves that a dirty dog is a happy dog.
anyways i admire anyone who can speak their native language and another common language (as for you its german and english ) im of german and austrian ancestory and i just love the culture of those two nations keep it up
she is austrian iirc
My Grandma was born outside of Regensburg. I would like to camp in the Grunwald some day.
The rim on the canteen is to stop debris from getting into the cup that the bottle nests into.
No it's not, it's not possible to manufacture these bottles in one piece so they must be manufactured in 2 parts and crimped together, knowing this fact they designed it so it wouldn't effect the cup going onto the bottom for nesting. If they could make it in one piece they would have and there would be no issue with debris because you can just wipe out the cup before use. This is why round bottles with nesting cups don't have a seem, because they can be made in one piece which is a far superior method for both strength, and to remove the issue of bacterial growth in the seams.
The rim on the military style canteen is only there so it'll fit over the military canteen cup properly.
The lip on the canteen Adds rigidity to the weakest point of the bottle to prevent crushing, it also creates a crude seal between the cup and the bottle to prevent debris from getting into the cup, it also adds a gripping point so the sweating bottle is less likely to slip out of your hand, it also helps keep the bottle in the carrying pouch so in effect all of the suggestions of its purpose in these comments are correct. It simply does all of those things.... :)
Hello Lilly, Before a Canteen was made with tin so that was a problem before and I never heard anyone getting Alzheimer from stainless steel. Also when you screw the cap on the Canteen, start by going backwards until it you feel it clicks from the beginning of the thread for the line up so it fit will screw in correctly and have a even rotation for the seal. The lip on the Canteen is for the cup when attached so it will not rattle loosely. Most of all I agree with you using the Canteen and now I'm gonna purchase one. Thanks..
Good video Lilly... Every tough prepping review I have seen on this military canteen didn't even take bacteria into consideration. Best review for this category I have ever seen!
Great vid Lilly. With my Pathfinder Canteen I just swish a little peroxide around inside once in a while before I use it and it kill just about everything. I do agree that the lip and seams are a little bothersome for catching undesirables. My lid doesn't leak and it is much easier to get on and off, I wonder if you just got a bad lid? It might be worth mentioning to Dave's crew and see if they will send you a second lid to try.
I don't think I've ever seen such a comprehensive comparison of what would otherwise be an afterthought item. Bravo
A military rule of thumb: only use water for water containers. No bacteria.
Also, you could use plastic canteens with a steel canteen cup, too. Use the cup to boil water and once it is cooled, store inside the canteen. I use a Kelly Kettle and carry multiple plastic water containers. I can boil water on the go, in just a few minutes and leave no trace. Also, I cook in a high quality steel thermos when possible. Give it a try!
I've used and trusted Nalgene bottles for decades. Whether plastic or steel, they do not leak, they do not break. I recently acquired the Pathfinder cup/pot, and it nests perfectly. Never liked the hip flask design of that other one, nor its nesting cup. Nalgene for me, but I appreciate the review.
You said the military canteen was 5-6mm thick. That's a 1/4" thick. I know the pathfinder website says 5-6mm but that would make the canteen weigh about 6-7lbs. It's more likely that it is 5-6mils which is 5-6 thousandths of an inch or
1.5 mm.
Ed Ben Never 1.5 mm i think its 0,5-0,6 mm. 1.5 is nearly bulletproof.
Ed Ben 5-6 milliliters is a quantity of liquid, not thickness of a material, 20 mils = 1 Tablespoon of liquid. though 5mm thick must be wrong also as that's half a cm :S
Ed Ben 5 - 6 thousands of an inch = 0,13 mm. Somehow I am confused now.
september1683 I'm confused as well.
Brisdad53 It would be cheaper to either buy Brit army 44 pattern canteen with mug, or army surplus $60 is silly price
I have to watch it twice. First time, all I can think of is "damn that's a nice sweater" and the second time for the actually very good comparison.
Thank you for taking the time to explain all these things that you do. Very intelligent young woman. There are two people that I follow all the time, you and Joe Robinet. Awesome.
I just adore your dog! You are so lucky to be able to explore nature with such a fine companion.
I grew up in Boy Scouts in the States in the 50's and 60's, and have always loved the military-style canteen and canteen cup. They were cheap and readily available as war surplus, which was perfect for us Scouts. (I still have mine!) I don't remember there being a nesting stove back in those days, but I've had one for a couple of decades. For me, it's more the comforting thought of having a back-up way of cooking than as something I've used often. The smaller, 'normal' GI nesting stoves work with my small Trangia alcohol stove, so it is useful when open fires are not an option. I agree that the "L" handle on the canteen cup makes it stable in the fire, and on uneven ground. And the ground is *always* uneven!
Great job Lily! I own the Kleene Kanteen 40 ounce, and it works well. Thanks
The lip around the canteen is there, to prevent dirt from getting into the canteen cup, that the canteen generally comes with. When your wearing the canteen and cup in your Molle canteen cover, it helps keep sand and dust that lands on the top of your canteen and rests on top of the cover, from falling down into your cup or the dirt leaking down into it from rain or condensation, or perhaps a leaking canteen. They started adding that rim around 1944-45. From what I've heard, the WWII Marine's were complaining that the sand on all the beaches they were assaulting was always ending up settling in there canteen cups. I'd guess the creator of this model liked that feature and used it. In my experience, it does seem to work! Prior to 1944, the seam went around the canteen from top to bottom, with no lip of course; but the simplest explanation is, that they cast the canteens in two parts, then join them together at that seam. Making the seam with a lip, helps keep the dirt out! :)
Lilly. The military canteen should of come with a cup that fits on the out side of the canteen and it comes with 2 wire handles . The cup is also good to cook in.
Hi lily, I'm not sure if someone has already mentioned it but I believe the lip on the military canteen is where the the canteen cup would sit. Being former us army we would put our canteens in our canteen cups and then in the pouch.
just a simple practical suggestion, -for your Nalgene bottle you better use a fish mouth spreader. that would help you to hang the whole bottle with water over an open fire to get it boiled. i used it and it worked just great.
Very thorough comparison Lilly. I think the military canteen is the better of the two because you get the stove, cup and canteen for one price and the Nalgene bottle is clearly lacking right out of the gate due to the fact that it has no stove and is top heavy. Not only does the canteen cup stove provide stability, but it also has the safety feature of lessening the possibility of starting a ground fire.
Hi lilly, that rim is for when you have a belt holder for your canteen, it helps it stay in Place.
Lilly the reason
Use a baby bottle brush to clean all canteens and shake a paper towel inside to completely dry the inside. I prefer a military canteen because of the accessories like cup, stove and cloth carrying pouch that attatches onto any belt.
Great comparison of these two bottles.
The cleaning of the inside of the military bottle to kill any bacteria can be done with a little bleach in water and let it sit for a while.
Rob.
Good point about the rim of the military bottle. I'll be more aware of this! Thanks!
Hi Lilly...greetings from Chicago Illinois...USA....I really enjoy all your videos. They are always well thought out and informative and helpful. I've just only been a subscriber for three weeks when I seen your video of making bacon and eggs along with your hot chocolate and have enjoyed them ever since. Thank you for keeping me entertained and also learning from your excursions. Give Dak a hug and look forward to your next adventure .....final thought, I always collect and save lint from the dryer screen which makes a real good fire starter.....peace
You're RIGHT, Lily, when deciding between the two, it all comes down to personal preference. I must admit I didn't even know the military canteen was available in SS. EFFERDENT, the anti-bacterial denture cleaner, does the best job of anything for removing coffee stains or any other stains from inside any SS container. I thought someone was teasing me 20 years when I first tried it, however, I discovered that it really works. Put an EFFERDENT tablet in hot water inside the SS container & leave it overnight. The next morning the stains are GONE. I smiled when you told us the two containers capacity in OUNCES instead of ML's.
A teaspoon of liquid dishwasher gel like cascade and boiling water works great too.
Nice Video... the seam on the military type canteen is to stop the canteen from pushing down to deep in the cup and becoming stuck in the cup. Back in the day that was a common problem with the old G.I. issue plastic canteens.
I bought a 20 ounce water bottle made of stainless steel at Wal-Mart for three dollars. It has lasted me for ten years so far. Most camping or survival gear if so overpriced as to be ridiculous. My stainless fry pan & 40 ounce pot together cost me fifteen bucks. Look in the housewares department, insted of the sporting goods department. Spend that saved money on a good quality first aid kit, and beer. Love your videos, I learned alot from them.
Dax might be quite literally, 'the happiest dog in Austria".
Danke Lilley für die tolle Produktpräsentation.
Ich selbst finde den Preis den die Military Canteen mehr kostet immer noch ok. Wenn die Qualität stimmt dann hat man auch sehr lange Freude daran.
Grüße Ruben
Hallo Lilly,
meines Wissens wird diese Form der Edelstahl-Nalgene nicht mehr hergestellt. Die neue Flaschenform läuft unten konisch zu, vermutlich um besser in irgendwelche Cupholder zu passen. Das Füllvolumen ist auch leicht geringer. Ich denke auch, dass das neue Nalgene Modell nicht mehr vernünftig in den Tatonka Becher passt.
Viele Grüße
Well I am a dog guy and sometimes I think watch your vids just to see your dog, what a great dog. Where I live in the mountains there are several dogs around that keep me company, all the benefits of having a dog yet not owning one
I've been a stainless bottle person for a long time. Owned and lost many ss bottles. My last bottles were Kleen and Pathfinder. Once I found Nalgene I was convinced. It will do everything a survival bottle needs and it has a neck that can take a lanyard. At $27 I bought two. Two is one. Many other stainless bottles are over $30.
Learn something new every day, I've never thought about using cattails to kickstart a fire like that
Honestly I thought what could be to this comparison. But wow you were very thorough and detailed great job... Impressed with the knowledge you share from experience.
Hi Lilley the pathfinder canteens
Rim / crease is where the two halves upper and lower halves of the canteen were put together
Sorry if this had ready been stated
I love the military style canteen better also and in a way I wish the U.S. military still issued the steel canteens instead of the plastic ones they now issue, but they didn't plan for them to be used to heat water in. Both of the containers you have are nice and the cups which come with them look nice also.
you can use a fish mouth spring device that keeps a toothed fish from biting you as you remove the hook. It is spring loaded, you can get it from a lot of fishing stores. It also fits into the mouth of either the water bottle or canteen, the spring end is in a coil spring loop style where you can hang either over the fire.
The military canteen is formed in two pieces, the top and the bottom. The two pieces are joined at the "spine" and explains why it is there.
Thanks, Lily, for the review. I also have both products and use them. There is no perfect solution. The Nalgene bottles fit the side pockets of my pack really well. The cup (Olicamp with lid) and stove work well enough. But the canteen has a much better cup and holds more.
There is no perfect solution, especially in this case. Perhaps one of each is a good idea.
Also, MILSURP canteen pouches make excellent pockets for a MOLLE compatible pack. I keep several around for this reason.
Well done.
Thanks for a good, informative review. I'll try to find one of those military canteens. I like that is is a complete system.
Happy Camping!
Good points about the advantages / disadvantages of the military style stainless canteen. Thank-you...
I really like the sweater that you are wearing here. It looks warm and I like the material and colours.
Thanks lilly I agree with your choice but I own both for my kit.
Water is always carried outside my pack, for obvious reasons.
You are a jewel,but Dax steals the show
God Bless !
Thank you for the great review. No one else went into detail about the pathfinder canteen how the inside has gaps and is hard to clean. You saved me from buying that pathfinder garbage. Please keep reviewing products in detail, you do a great job.
The ring goes in there because there was a cup made to go on the bottom of that canteeen, all military canteens come with that to cook and boil stuff.
If you get the Nalgene bottle, and also buy a steel cup, the price is almost the same, but the military canteen includes the cup, plus the carry pouch, a better buy in the long run. Thanks for showing the 2 styles and providing both good and bad points of both.
The rim on the Military Canteen is for a canteen cup stop, with a military canteen can have a cover and a canteen cup
Good video Lilly, thanks. BTW, you can see the purpose of the ridge on the military canteen when you put it in the cup. You can see it's inserted correctly, and dirt or grit will not get into the cup. Also, you mentioned price. The military canteen is more expensive, but you said you got the cup and a stove with it, while you had to buy a separate cup for the Nalgene bottle. If you also got a stove, the price would probably be nearly equal. And you gave good reasons why the military canteen was better than the Nalgene bottle.
I can't find any other videos that are this brave to give their honest opinions on their preferences. come on guys. buck up
The raised ridge on the Military Styled canteen is caused by the manufacturing process of joining the upper stamping and lower stamping due to the complex shape. Later aluminum canteens were made from two shells and eliminated the ridge. Maybe we could suggest to Pathfinder to modify the canteen cap to be designed to resemble the tactical Riflescope caps currently on some sniper rifles with ribbed outer ring built in. A technique I use for fine to medium threads is to place the cap on and turn counterclockwise until the cap makes a "Click" sound. The threads should now be properly aligned to be secured without cross threading. Give it a try. as usual I enjoyed your video and thoughtful presentation.
+James Carmean So many ideas about the ridge. I was going to leave a comment, but you got it dead right. The raised ridge on the Military Styled canteen is caused by the manufacturing process of joining the upper stamping and lower stamping due to the complex shape. Exactly.
Do you know how long I have waited for a discussion like this about canteens by ANYONE?? EXCELLENT!
The rib on the military "style" canteen is probably for mating with a military "style" canteen cup and allows for some air gap so it doesn't get stuck in the cup.
Lily, I really like your videos - very informative and fun to watch. Being a dog person (Aussie Shepherd and my rescue Labrador), I just have to know - is that a Springer Spaniel? Absolute fun, and a great companion dog for you. Please keep up the good work. Come camp in lovely eastern Oklahoma!
The rim is there so it fits snuggly into the canteen cup and canteen carrier. Its designed to leak into the carrier bag so it keeps the contents cool.
Vielen lieben Dank für die tollen Vergleiche. Super informativ!!!
Hallo Lilly
Das ist echt schlecht mit der Öffnung bei der Military Flasche.
Ein richtiger Keimsammler.
Danke für die Infos und schöne Ostern noch
Vg Guido
***** As you point out Lilly, the canteen by it's design is more stable. Great review.
Lilly...well someone finally has the courage to point out the defects in the masters canteen (Dave Canterbury) even though it's your pick. Don't get me wrong, I respect the man a lot and have learned a lot from him. He's earned the title of master. But I have always wondered about the seam half way up the canteen and the seal of the cap. Thanks for the info. As for me? I rely on both the Berkey sports bottle and the Sawyer Mini filter for water purification as simple boiling will not take out heavy metals and the Berkey bottle will do so. And with an added two drops of iodine, it will also kill viruses. And here in southern Arizona, chemicals are a concern as the State has a history of mining and that means all sorts of chemicals that could be in a creek. maybe...maybe not, so I take no chances. And, building a fire isn't always practable. Thanks for all that you do...great efforts! Stay well!
Charles
I'm sorry you speak so roughly of Dave, I hope my Lord won't judge me as harshly.
Dave is a sinner such as I . I think he strives to do more good than evil !
mrbakerskatz Well now I think you had better reread exactly what I said, And just in case you do not here it is..."Don't get me wrong, I respect the man a lot and have learned a lot from him. He's earned the title of master. But I have always wondered about the seam half way up the canteen and the seal of the cap."
Canterbury is the top rung of the bushcraft ladder. Period and we all know that to be a fact. He's also a blacksmith/iron worker and so much more. He a supreme teacher. I was only wondering about the seams in his canteen. And, it seems that my concerns were justified to a certain degree...and Lilly was the one who pointed them out.
Charles Larson I reread it and I still feel like you slander him, besides now you have someone (me) to talk down to,It's all good
mrbakerskatz I'm not talking down to you or anyone. But if you cannot understand my comment and my reply to you, it seems that apparently you do not understand plain english....because I really do not understand how I'm slandering Dave when I state...""He's earned the title of master."" Wishing you a blessed Easter. ;)
Charles
Charles Larson No I was talking more about "the courage to point out the defects in the masters canteen ". It's ok a lot of people do that jealous or what ever it is I don't like it. But Dave is working to make life better for all.
He is a sinner ,such as I
Since the canteen was made to fit into the cup (and both of them nestled into the canvas bag ...along with the 'stove' that went into the bag first, but that's not what I wanted to mention. The bottom of the canteen and the cup are both made from the same mold so that the original manufacturer could simplify the process. Millions were made and after WWII was over, you could get them with the wool-padded container for less than $5 and they were stainless steel at the time ...and so were the clam-shell mess kits (all of them held up to the beatings the Boy Scouts gave them ...and after 75 years of continuous use, many of them are still being used for camping today.
GandolfTheWise (My dad was in WWII in the Philippine jungles ...and my scouts always used them too.)
PS - I love all of your UA-cam presentations
i too have both systems and like you i favour the canteen, if you add a lid you have a full cook set
great vid as always
I see you brought 'ol muddy buddy with you,---- he looks so happy when he wallows in the mud!
PS, thank for the comparison, been wondering which one to get😁👍
Concerning the difficulty removing the canteen lid in winter, you may consider using an oil filter wrench that has a woven strap that fits around the filter. Should make for easy removal in any weather due too leverage provided by the handle with minimal effort.
the point of the rim was so that when you put the canteen in the cup it fills the gap so that rocks and dirty dont go in the cup when rolling around in the field
But it also greatly reinforces it against crushing inward or buckling, acting like angle iron reinforcing the sheet metal. The concave, asymmetric shape of the canteen is much more vulnerable to crushing than a cylinder is. A good functional designer, aesthetic designer, and mechanical engineer doing stress analysis can all contribute to a good design where form follows function. Especially in designs which have evolved over time, as canteens have, and weaknesses are found and fixed. Great products are the way they are, for combinations of reasons considered when optimizing the product. Debating one reason versus another as why something was done a certain way, misses the point that it was done to balance all the reasons in a way that works for the intended purposes.
I just got a Nalgene bottle, They are soo awesome and robust. I dont think they make the one you have anymore though. Just the backpacker edition. All the best!
I find the canteen easier to carry as well. But that might just be familiarity with that style talking. I also carry the large plastic 2 quart on my ruck frame. The shape of the other bottle always felt too wide on the belt and too long to just slip into a cargo pocket. Thank you for,the great video.
I have never been as happy as that dog.
Very thorough, and well thought out. Really enjoy watching your videos and your puppy who loves to roll in the mud!
That's a welded seam around the middle of the canteen. The shape is difficult to make from a single piece of metal, and a welded flange is quick and easy vs figuring out how to seam weld around the irregular contours of the canteen. The threads/neck of the Nalgene are machined and welded onto the bottle, but in a way that retains a food grade finish. And Nalgene is more corrosion resistant.
It sounds like there are more pros for the Nalgene bottle than the pathfinder bottle.
i know this is an old video , but still great info . thanks Lilly .
Fair enough.
I did wonder if it was a relatively cheap blade cut on a guillotine in such a way that it doesn't have a hard edge, in which case i was going to suggest running the back of the knife over a finisher or diamond file to create a square back...works well with the cheaper knives like mora's and similar.
Late comment but get a cheap toothbrush to make cleaning the bottles easier. It can get in that line and around the whole bottle with ease. It helps clean a lot of other stuff too.
Great review Lilly! The only one on UA-cam I've seen comparing the two.
Hi Survival Lilly. I am quite aware of this video being a year old now, but I wanted to tell you of Self reliance outfitters Gen3 SS bottle and cup/pot setup. I recently purchased one to augment my SS canteen set from them as well. Awesome piece of gear and an additional pot is great for quicker meals and coffee or tea.
Oh well, thats just an idea if you haven't already tried one.
Stay in the dirt and keep the videos coming, we sure do enjoy them.
Not a fan of either choices. Here's why: Rubber, or plastic lids melt when put into direct fire. If I were going to bring a water bottle, the whole thing would be steel or titanium. That way, if I don't have an electric or propane stove, and had to stick my bottle in the fire to heat it up, I wouldn't have to worry about the lid melting and destroying my water container and it's contents. Love your videos though. I learn a lot from watching them. Thank you. 😊
Another helpful review! I have both but have not tested them with simultaneous boiling. It seemed that the insulated (vacuum) Nalgene might boil slower but you have proved otherwise.
Informative and enjoyable. I replaced my two stainless bottle plastic caps with stainless caps. I had two plastic caps break in the field.
Yip, me too........would never think of using the blade on a ferro rod. Have to say though, love your channel, love your style.