A friend of mine from grade school lost his parents and two little sisters in this tragic crash. They were flying in from Bangkok for his high school graduation. I remember hearing he was at the airport waiting for their arrival. ‘I have some just awful news’ I remember my dad telling me. So sad, so unnecessary. It’s been almost 50 years and still I think about him often.
My school mate died in the horrific collision of Saudi Airlines with a private Kazakh jet over new Delhi skies in 1996,she was a great friend of mine,married just a month before her crash along with her husband,she was a year junior and always refer to me when it came to study related queries,i still miss her to this day,may god bless her and other dead souls.
JAL had a terrible reputation. One of their DC-8s landed on a small runway of a local flying club in Mumbai when the crew misidentified the airfield. It was a miracle that pilot was able to bring the aircraft to a halt just before breaching the perimeter wall and running across a busy city road. In this case it was complete negligence when they ignored the instruments and flew below MDA when clearly visibility was bad. Even if the GS was malfunctioning the DME along with the altimeter would have given them an indication of their position. As usual a wonderful rendition by TFC.
I have a great childhood memory of another pilot error “crash” in 1968. I was living in the South San Francisco Bay Area. I got my mother to drive me out to Coyote Point to look at the “Shiga” which landed in SF Bay. There was a similar lack of situational awareness. The co pilot was American btw. Fortunately, no one was hurt. In fact, since it was low tide, no one even got wet!
@@aviation-zr2ln JAL123. Should look into it. One of the most tragic plane crashes in aviation history due to the huge number of fatalities (520), and the fortitude and courage of the pilots who kept the plane in the air for as long as they did despite being doomed basically.
@@rsb8380 I'm speechless. Literally speechless. I just listened to the CVR. They did fight until their last breath. At the end he says, "this is it." It gave me chills. You are absolutely correct. 💯 I can't believe they kept it in the air as long as they did. Incredible.
The pilots’ failure to follow the most basic procedures killed 86 people. Never improvise your landing, follow the procedure. Too many people have died because of overconfidence and not following procedure.
We lost one such of air india express. It was flown by a former air force test pilot. Came in high and fast. Couldn't get it down until two thirds of the runway
All they were missing was the "TOO LOW, Terrain, PULL UP" alert. Good thing later planes got it - illustrating the fact that the record of Aviation Safety advances are written in blood. RIP to the 82 victims.
@@govindarajram8553 Right you are. Seems like their range could be greater. Plus that was 'new tech' back in 1972. I also asked why dont Runway Thresholds feature a Unique uber distinctive light pattern like a big Red + Blue bullseye like a 🎯. If they had such, and pilots didnt see they'd either Go-around / missed approach or not ill advisedly land.
How can the Japan authorities claim an incorrect flight path signal? What evidence did they have of that? Did other planes landing report problems with the ILS? It's pure speculation and claiming a "possible" explanation as the cause. The pilots flew the plane directly into the ground without ever seeing the runway...plain and simple. Great simulation once again!
@@kevinmalone3210 Yup, there are plenty of examples of similar government responses from around the world. Two that stick out in my mind: Egypt’s denial that pilot suicide brought down Egyptair 990, and the report issued by the Netherlands’ regarding the Tenerife runway disaster (let’s just say they had “alternative facts”). On the latter, Mini Air Crash Investigations made a really interesting “from the Dutch perspective” video as a companion to his main video about the Tenerife disaster. Shows how differing interests can cause a single set of circumstances to lead to wildly divergent conclusions-unlike the actual aircraft in that incident (pardon my gallows humor).
Yes.. I live in Delhi and I know how much hazzy the weather is all year except summers. And despite that the pilots continuing visual approach with such visibility just ridiculed me.
I flew India and it’s true that Antennas tend to fail when There’s bad weather however There’s redundancy in the A/C Systems and pilots situation awareness to continue for a Visual contact above 100 AGL
I used to forecast the weather for several airports in India for various airline clients. The air is frequently smoggy with dust, smoke, and haze. Often the visibility is one mile or less. Such conditions would have made it imperative to continue an ILS approach. The MDA should not have been breeched because sighting the airport landing lights would have been impossible to discern except at a fairly close distance. It sounded as if the ATC wasn't helpful either.
Frequently? In New Delhi it’s always smoggy, I can’t fathom how pilots land there when I landed. It’s a fucking miracle planes are able to even fly there
This is Japan Airlines Flight 471. It's actually pretty amazing, that The Flight Channel manages to create something three times more informative than its Wikipedia page
This was 1972 and Japan was a much more cloistered society with a built-in sense of infallibility. To avoid losing face was much more important than getting to the bottom of the truth. One of the other feeds I watch regularly is Corporate Pilot Life (sadly, I think it's reached its end) and the amount of cockpit time they spend scrutinising flights plans, get accurate locations and visual confirmations. I mean, this JAL crew were so lackadaisical ... oh, look, pretty lights - I suppose we must be there! Shocking.
@@shubhamshrivastava5812 Because their pilots were not performing at an international standard and the fact that JAL's initial response was to seek to suggest a problem with the ILS rather than the shortcomings of their pilots.
I suggest Mentour Pilot - another great detailed channel - and there's another, I forget the name but uses 2 (orange or white on orange?) slashes as a logo.
I think this may have happened unfortunately before the warning audio alerts were implemented but I could be wrong unless they were and they were somehow bypassed
The aircraft was in landing configuration, gear down, full flaps so there would have been no warning even with today's equipment. The airplane doesn't know if the runway isn't there, that's the pilot's job.
I used to only think podcasts of crashes were available. Then I found you. I've watched every vid at least twice. Some of the most well rounded content on the Tube.
The 1979-80 time period was disastrous for JAL as many accidents and fatalities occurred. The level of competency of pilots was low as determined by the cause of these accidents.
I'm gonna make a wild guess that "older, wiser" pilots were kind of scarce around that time. It makes it very hard to train new pilots when there aren't any left to do the training.
Night landing complicated by extreme haze, and the captain decided to turn over landing duty to the inexperienced first officer....what could go wrong? RIP to the poor souls whose lives were cut short by the stupidity of this flight crew.
@@Edax_Royeaux Sure but I doubt most of those accidents were as gross as this incident, they had THREE professional pilots with experience and NOT one of them thought about checking altitude in what seems like 30 minutes or so before the crash!
@@ARedMotorcycle Sounds like you're used to reading these type of comments on this channel. You should stop viewing this channel if the constant disappointment if its affecting your mental health. So why come to this channel if you know that they are getting praise, while your channel... Wait! Do you even have a channel to compare to this one?
@@gcb345 i mean i dont agree on that this is the best with aviation incidents, i prefer Air Crash Investigation(Mayday) and Seconds before disaster(has some air disasters) more but on yt i have to agree this is the best. sadly he hasnt done the 1999 south dakota learjet crash which is very interesting to say the least(an private Bombardier Learjet 35 crashed after 8 hours of a ghost flight because of the oxygen valve being broken and the manual not having the 'put on oxygen mask' step first.
Leila was only on this flight because she anticipated her return to Brazil, because she missed Janaína, her daughter who was only seven months old at the time.
I wish you'd create a video about this crash.⤵️ US Air Flight 427, Crash of a 737-300 in Hopewell Township, PA, Sept. 8, 1994. I was driving home from work, down the hill on Green Garden Road toward Green Garden Plaza and it crashed right in front of me. It's one of the things you never forget, that and seeing that smoke plum rise.
What I find confusing is the fact that at no time were they contacted by ATC warning them of their altitude status? They weren’t off by only a few hundred feet; they were 10 MILES short of the runway!! Surly, that must have been seen, very confusing! Another awesome presentation by my fav channel!!
at some point JAL was 1,000 miles from the runway - 100 miles from the runway - they were 11 miles from the runway - and due to be 10 miles from the runway - they reached it - but didn't make it any closer why tell the pilots about altitude - they should know that - they just didn't see fit to pay attention - why does that duty fall upon an overburdened flight controller - do you want to see more accidents
Secondary radar at New Delhi IGI airport was installed after the 1996 Chakki Dadri midair collision. Until then controllers relied on pilots to report their altitude. They only had primary radar back then. So if the crew doesnt report their altitude, ATC had no way to know
This was a sad watch. The pilots sounded thoroughly relaxed and towards the end highly inept. Poor visibility should have been reason enough to exercise caution. Also, couldn't comprehend the communication between control tower and the plane. RIP flight 471 victims
well there is an old maxim in aviation that " Fly according to your instruments and not according to your senses "... as your senses might deceive you sometimes.
Holy crap they hit 4 people on the ground? IMAGINE being those people! Just living life and you get hit by a crashing huge plane...of all of the way to leave this world, that has to be one that gets you a direct pass to the good places in the spirit world.
I've always enjoyed your videos. A few years ago they lacked attention to detail, especially in the onscreen text. They've vastly improved since then. Good job! Keep up the good work!
Just flew American from PHL to TPA last night. It always seems so calm and quiet but yet I realize the pilots are up there carrying out all these checklists to keep us safe. Thank God most don’t act like this crew.
It is sad that the pilots did not look at their instruments and call for a go around. We watch this to often where no call for a go around ends in tragedy.
...yet another case of an arrogant, know-it-all Captain...making the fatal decision to hand control to a vastly under-experienced First Officer...after dark...and with significant visibility issues... ...it would appear that the captain also placed total confidence in the ILS system and failed utterly in obtaining a proper visual reference... ...he, and he alone bears the responsibility for this entirely avoidable mishap in which he sacrificed over 90 passengers and crew members... ...hope the surviving families made JAL pay dearly for this dude's criminal negligence...
Unfortunately this is oftentimes RECOMMENDED in order to give the trainee some experience landing in crap weather. It's sad that this happened but it IS part of training, at least here in Canada.
Great video! Such a tragic loss of life that was so avoidable. I have to agree with the investigators from India on this one. The aircraft weren't paying attention to the realities and were overconfident in their abilities. So sad!
How the hell can something 50 years ago and long forgotten be sad to you? one of those passengers was going to be a mass child killer... you should be happy the plane crashed...right?
There are so many systems and procedures today that might have saved this flight. GPS approaches with vertical guidance, Enhanced ground proximity warnings, electronic map displays and terrain display and warnings among others. Non precision approaches are much more dangerous than ILS, GPS with VNAV or LPV or RNAV-RNP approaches which is why they are very rarely used at today’s airlines.
What happened to that straight-in ILS approach they were cleared for? No mention of it thereafter, which is strange because that is their electronic "rail" to runway.
Well made. RIP to all Souls.. Request kindly make the Charki Dadri mid air collision involving a Saudi 747 and a Kazakhstan IL 76.. its a epic case study of 2 airline companies using a imperial and a metric system in their aircrafts flight instruments..
Om Shanthi 🕉️ to the departed souls It's always sad when you see these human tragedies even though it's simulated or dramatized. It's very saddening for me too.. It's all the more painful when it happens in India.
The pilots had to be ignoring a lot for this to happen. The ILS, the glide slope, the baro altimeter, the radar altimeter. It does not mention here if the crash was short of the runway but aligned with it, that matters if the aircraft was on localizer but below the glideslope (landed short of runway). Also, an ILS does not have a MDA or minimum decent altitude, but a DA or "decision altitude". Whats the difference? The MDA is an altitude you don't go below, but you can stay at the altitude until you identify the runway, or reach the MAP or missed approach point, the point at which you are supposed to abort and go on a missed approach. A DA means you go missed. Like NOW.
One small addition to the above would be WHY (why MDA/DA). Even a lot of pilots are confused by the difference between these two. And MDA based approach results in a ramp down to the MDA followed by a straight line until the runway threshold, but a DA results in more of a V shape, down and back up again. A localizer just tells you if are aligned with the runway, vs an ILS gives you an exact ramp down to the runway. The MDA means "stop descending and wait to see the runway, then you can go down". Since the localizer does not tell you have reached the runway (the most common MAP) you have to use another means to identify that point, usually a timer. Its got built in safety because the runway is a nice flat area without obstacles on it, so if you don't time it exactly, you are ok. On an ILS, the "ramp" reaches to the runway in THEORY, but realistically it does not. The ILS Glideslope antenna is there at the approach end of the runway, and stops giving you a good signal when you are too close to it. This is why it has a DA. Its telling you "this is as good as it gets... if it is not good enough, go back to the sky".
Picked up a false glideslope going into SFO in 1968. Fortunately, we broke out of the overcast at 400 feet and realized we were too low. Climbed back up and caught the GS at around 1800 feet AG.
"While descending, the Captain decides to allow the First Officer to perform the approach and landing, despite his insufficient flight time" You TOTALLY see where this is going. Another amazing job by The Flight Channel RIP to all that lost their lives that day.
Leila Diniz was only on this flight (JAL 471) because she had anticipated her return to Brazil for one reason: the longing that she felt for her daughter (Janaína), who was only 7 months old. She took the flight in Bangkok, Thailand.
I would say, since he thought he could see the run way lights, the FO didn't want to argue with him, and when he checked the altitude he realized he was wrong about the lights. He might have been having trouble with his eyes? Or he was drunk. Why would a Captain give manual control to an inexperienced copilot to land in poor visibility?
As Larry Be said, that is correct, I am in an airline family ( my grand father ,dad, uncle and my son are/were all airline pilots) now with simulators , all pilots must pass certain standards built around take offs landings and emergencies, however in order to gain "experience" one must take the controls, being monitored by the PNF, ( pilot not flying) imagine going through sim training for driving, and watching and following through with and experienced driver but NEVER being allowed to drive because you dont have "experience" . many other factors played into this crash, accidents like these changed crew training and resource management. As it is said " the aviation regulations are written in blood".
It's always sad that they implement all of these changes after tragedy strikes. I understand that's the way it works, but still seems so unfair to those who lost their lives. Flight Channel, your attention to detail is incredible. You are the best of the best. Thank you for your amazing videos.
they collapsed on banks of yamuna. had they collapsed on the main city of delhi (2-3kms around Yamuna) there would have been more fatalities on ground as compared to 86 onboard. RIP to all those onboard.
I cannot believe as a virtual pilot, that they haven't used the DME distance at least in this time to the destination airport to check if they are right or not. Even the MDH was not kept by both pilots. It's not understandable, it's even Not happened to me in simulator, to miss this! Unbelievable
Correct me if I'm wrong here, not being instrument rated, but if they touched down 10 miles short of the runway, they would have been way, way, way below the glide slope, wouldn't they? Would it be possible to be that far out and that low and have anywhere near a normal-looking reading on the instrument?
It was interesting to observe the internal view of the instruments and if they were correct as the Captain had a different inbound course in his course selector window than the correct inbound course for the approach. The first officer did but there were several anomalies such as the no glide slope references as you would have with the ILS dialed in as a back up for glide slope reference. The runway would be visible to the right of the cockpit. Just a whole bunch of apparent errors and lack of situational awareness. So sad.
A Minimum Descent Altitude is not the same as a Decision Height. The former is for a non-precision approach, the later is for a precision approach. An ILS approach is a precision approach, hence it relies on DH and not MDA.
I wonder what it was that the pilots mistook for the runway? I've long been concerned about the Sun Valley Mall being fairly close to Buchanan Field in Concord, Calif. There was a suggestion that a fatal aircrash into the mall in 1985 might have been at least partially due to the pilot mistaking the parking lot lights for the runway lights.
I’ve heard that New Delhi is the most polluted city in the world. May the deceased RIP. ❤️❤️ It’s hard to tell the difference between the DC-8 and the Boeing 707.
Why do all DC-8 involved accidents and crashes show the rear wing intact, I haven’t seen any other dc8 tragedy with the tail destroyed. This is really coincidental, great editing and respects to the victims.
Sigh.. I knew this accident had happened and nothing could change that but it looked like the plane was going to land on the grass and I couldn’t help but hope that it wouldn’t be so serious. Sad. The videos are really well done though. Good for learning I think.
It's a case of pilot error, wherein the pilots didn't follow the standard operating procedure during landing. How can one even think of landing on a runway which is invisible. The error caused a very big tragedy which could have been avoided. Sad indeed.
A friend of mine from grade school lost his parents and two little sisters in this tragic crash. They were flying in from Bangkok for his high school graduation. I remember hearing he was at the airport waiting for their arrival. ‘I have some just awful news’ I remember my dad telling me. So sad, so unnecessary. It’s been almost 50 years and still I think about him often.
My school mate died in the horrific collision of Saudi Airlines with a private Kazakh jet over new Delhi skies in 1996,she was a great friend of mine,married just a month before her crash along with her husband,she was a year junior and always refer to me when it came to study related queries,i still miss her to this day,may god bless her and other dead souls.
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@@junaidanwar999 so sorry to hear about this. Try to keep her alive in your memory and she will be with you always. Stay well.
I am so sorry for him
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I like that you always show respect to the deceased, even if it’s a crew that made mistakes. Very respectful.
Don’t listen to the person who replied twice to this comment it is a bot
Too short. Blink and you miss it which is disrespectful imo.
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@Mary Humphrey Sugmoa
JAL had a terrible reputation. One of their DC-8s landed on a small runway of a local flying club in Mumbai when the crew misidentified the airfield. It was a miracle that pilot was able to bring the aircraft to a halt just before breaching the perimeter wall and running across a busy city road. In this case it was complete negligence when they ignored the instruments and flew below MDA when clearly visibility was bad. Even if the GS was malfunctioning the DME along with the altimeter would have given them an indication of their position. As usual a wonderful rendition by TFC.
I have a great childhood memory of another pilot error “crash” in 1968. I was living in the South San Francisco Bay Area. I got my mother to drive me out to Coyote Point to look at the “Shiga” which landed in SF Bay. There was a similar lack of situational awareness. The co pilot was American btw. Fortunately, no one was hurt. In fact, since it was low tide, no one even got wet!
It seems that all their best pilots disappeared around 30 years prior to this accident. Go figure.
Didn't JAL have a 747 that lost its tail and they crashed into the side of a mountain?
@@aviation-zr2ln JAL123. Should look into it. One of the most tragic plane crashes in aviation history due to the huge number of fatalities (520), and the fortitude and courage of the pilots who kept the plane in the air for as long as they did despite being doomed basically.
@@rsb8380 I'm speechless. Literally speechless. I just listened to the CVR. They did fight until their last breath. At the end he says, "this is it." It gave me chills. You are absolutely correct. 💯 I can't believe they kept it in the air as long as they did. Incredible.
The flight crew did sound excessively relaxed, as if they were trying out a sports car on an empty road.
They did sound like that
Hahaha. I agree!
Japanese sounds like that. hope they had a more refined language. not "ooouuuaaaaa, meeeeeaaaa"
@@Memory_visit maybe they think our languages are not that refined. How racist can you be?
@@Tesla_Iive2023- I saw a frog today, it was green so I am racist.
The pilots’ failure to follow the most basic procedures killed 86 people. Never improvise your landing, follow the procedure. Too many people have died because of overconfidence and not following procedure.
We lost one such of air india express. It was flown by a former air force test pilot. Came in high and fast. Couldn't get it down until two thirds of the runway
@@chaksh the one at mangalore?
@@chaksh no attempt at a go around?
@@chaksh Calicut or Mangalore?
@@chaksh Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down.
Leila was a wonderful woman.
RIP to her and all the victims.
Great video, as always.
All they were missing was the "TOO LOW, Terrain, PULL UP" alert.
Good thing later planes got it - illustrating the fact that the record of Aviation Safety advances are written in blood.
RIP to the 82 victims.
As they already have landing configuration, I am not sure if GPWS will sound in this senario
But even if we get it most of time it's unrecoverable
@@govindarajram8553
Right you are.
Seems like their range could be greater.
Plus that was 'new tech' back in 1972.
I also asked why dont Runway Thresholds feature a Unique uber distinctive light pattern like a big Red + Blue bullseye like a 🎯.
If they had such, and pilots didnt see they'd either Go-around / missed approach or not ill advisedly land.
Yep i agree and unfortunately thats the way it had to be
RIP
As a retired vid production man I must say I admire your edits and use of actual sound and pics. Genious to show still photos of certain people too.
Sorry to be the nerdy English teacher but it’s just so funny when you misspell GENIUS!
Unbelievable...
@@davidbeattie1366 😰
@@davidbeattie1366 so glad you did...my deceased english teacher mother would be so glad that someone called me on it :)
@@kimkozlowski3440 I'm a lover not a speller...(think Michael Jackson high voice)
I would have thought that one of the first things that pilots are taught is to not land where there isn't a runway.
Not always :) - sometimes you have to land where there's no runway !
Use of GPS would solve this.
Also when you're descending, watch the altimeter.
@@scottlarson1548 They should be keeping an eye on most of the instruments - after all, there's 4-6 eyes !
1st officer"is that the runway?", captain, "dunno, im not from round here".tragic.
These were former kamikaze pilots.
How can the Japan authorities claim an incorrect flight path signal? What evidence did they have of that? Did other planes landing report problems with the ILS? It's pure speculation and claiming a "possible" explanation as the cause. The pilots flew the plane directly into the ground without ever seeing the runway...plain and simple. Great simulation once again!
It's national pride that causes blame for this accident on anything but the pilots.
@@kevinmalone3210 Yup, there are plenty of examples of similar government responses from around the world. Two that stick out in my mind: Egypt’s denial that pilot suicide brought down Egyptair 990, and the report issued by the Netherlands’ regarding the Tenerife runway disaster (let’s just say they had “alternative facts”). On the latter, Mini Air Crash Investigations made a really interesting “from the Dutch perspective” video as a companion to his main video about the Tenerife disaster. Shows how differing interests can cause a single set of circumstances to lead to wildly divergent conclusions-unlike the actual aircraft in that incident (pardon my gallows humor).
Yes.. I live in Delhi and I know how much hazzy the weather is all year except summers. And despite that the pilots continuing visual approach with such visibility just ridiculed me.
I flew India and it’s true that
Antennas tend to fail when
There’s bad weather however
There’s redundancy in the A/C
Systems and pilots situation awareness to continue for a
Visual contact above 100 AGL
I used to forecast the weather for several airports in India for various airline clients. The air is frequently smoggy with dust, smoke, and haze. Often the visibility is one mile or less. Such conditions would have made it imperative to continue an ILS approach. The MDA should not have been breeched because sighting the airport landing lights would have been impossible to discern except at a fairly close distance. It sounded as if the ATC wasn't helpful either.
Frequently? In New Delhi it’s always smoggy, I can’t fathom how pilots land there when I landed. It’s a fucking miracle planes are able to even fly there
This is Japan Airlines Flight 471. It's actually pretty amazing, that The Flight Channel manages to create something three times more informative than its Wikipedia page
TFC completely rips off Wikipedia. Every single video. And the audio sucks. Idk how I got this video when the channel should be blocked for garbage
@@etherealrose2139 😂
Thank you so much for remembering our great Leila Diniz. Átila, from Brazil.
This was 1972 and Japan was a much more cloistered society with a built-in sense of infallibility. To avoid losing face was much more important than getting to the bottom of the truth. One of the other feeds I watch regularly is Corporate Pilot Life (sadly, I think it's reached its end) and the amount of cockpit time they spend scrutinising flights plans, get accurate locations and visual confirmations. I mean, this JAL crew were so lackadaisical ... oh, look, pretty lights - I suppose we must be there! Shocking.
wha..? Sorry, can you reference, why you feel that way about JAL?
@@shubhamshrivastava5812 Because their pilots were not performing at an international standard and the fact that JAL's initial response was to seek to suggest a problem with the ILS rather than the shortcomings of their pilots.
Wow was that racially motiva-
Just kidding 😂😂😂😂
Oh God I'm an aviation enthusiast and i can say this is one of the most informative channels if you wanna learn from mistakes
74 Gear is way better then. Way better.
@@sudorights ik but this is good for those who want to know for starting out u see
I suggest Mentour Pilot - another great detailed channel - and there's another, I forget the name but uses 2 (orange or white on orange?) slashes as a logo.
@@millomweb Maximus Aviation?
@@bradjohnson482 That's not on my list !
Another formidable video. I'm brazilian and Leila Diniz is still in our memories. Thanks by your accurate references. Thanks, thanks, thanks.
No warning alarms going off. This was extremely sad to watch! R.I.P. To all who lost their lives in this horrific crash!
I think this may have happened unfortunately before the warning audio alerts were implemented but I could be wrong unless they were and they were somehow bypassed
The aircraft was in landing configuration, gear down, full flaps so there would have been no warning even with today's equipment. The airplane doesn't know if the runway isn't there, that's the pilot's job.
I used to only think podcasts of crashes were available. Then I found you. I've watched every vid at least twice. Some of the most well rounded content on the Tube.
I love how you gave a more indepth look into the passengers on the flight, You should definetly do this more often :)
The 1979-80 time period was disastrous for JAL as many accidents and fatalities occurred. The level of competency of pilots was low as determined by the cause of these accidents.
I'm gonna make a wild guess that "older, wiser" pilots were kind of scarce around that time. It makes it very hard to train new pilots when there aren't any left to do the training.
Night landing complicated by extreme haze, and the captain decided to turn over landing duty to the inexperienced first officer....what could go wrong? RIP to the poor souls whose lives were cut short by the stupidity of this flight crew.
Not to mention that he abandoned his job,,, "Monitor"
i was wondering why the "400, 300, 200" altitude warning and the pull up terrain warning was missing, then i realized this is from the 1970s.
@Imperial Diecast
Indeed back then pilots really did have to know how to fly a plane themselves.
Too bad it wasn’t available yet. Dumb and Dumber in the cockpit could have used the help.
@@watershed44 Even top pilots crashed planes.
@@Edax_Royeaux Sure but I doubt most of those accidents were as gross as this incident, they had THREE professional pilots with experience and NOT one of them thought about checking altitude in what seems like 30 minutes or so before the crash!
By that time it would sound woop woop pull-up woop woop pull-up in low quality voice. The recordings of this old sound scare me.
Once again, TFC sets the platinum standard for aviation incident stories. Bravo!
Yes and because of the quality, we are willing to ignore "Toyko" 😁👍
And yet another banal comment praising the channel. Comments like these are so disappointing.
@@ARedMotorcycle Sounds like you're used to reading these type of comments on this channel.
You should stop viewing this channel if the constant disappointment if its affecting your mental health.
So why come to this channel if you know that they are getting praise, while your channel...
Wait! Do you even have a channel to compare to this one?
@@gcb345 i mean i dont agree on that this is the best with aviation incidents, i prefer Air Crash Investigation(Mayday) and Seconds before disaster(has some air disasters) more but on yt i have to agree this is the best. sadly he hasnt done the 1999 south dakota learjet crash which is very interesting to say the least(an private Bombardier Learjet 35 crashed after 8 hours of a ghost flight because of the oxygen valve being broken and the manual not having the 'put on oxygen mask' step first.
This comment saved my life.
Leila Diniz, one of the best Brazilian Actress of that era also perished in this accident (aged 27).
May Her Soul Rest In Peace 🙏🌹❤️
Leila was only on this flight because she anticipated her return to Brazil, because she missed Janaína, her daughter who was only seven months old at the time.
Leila ❤
I wish you'd create a video about this crash.⤵️
US Air Flight 427, Crash of a 737-300 in Hopewell Township, PA, Sept. 8, 1994.
I was driving home from work, down the hill on Green Garden Road toward Green Garden Plaza and it crashed right in front of me. It's one of the things you never forget, that and seeing that smoke plum rise.
What I find confusing is the fact that at no time were they contacted by ATC warning them of their altitude status? They weren’t off by only a few hundred feet; they were 10 MILES short of the runway!! Surly, that must have been seen, very confusing! Another awesome presentation by my fav channel!!
at some point JAL was 1,000 miles from the runway - 100 miles from the runway - they were 11 miles from the runway - and due to be 10 miles from the runway - they reached it - but didn't make it any closer
why tell the pilots about altitude - they should know that - they just didn't see fit to pay attention - why does that duty fall upon an overburdened flight controller - do you want to see more accidents
Secondary radar wasn't a thing at the time
Secondary radar at New Delhi IGI airport was installed after the 1996 Chakki Dadri midair collision. Until then controllers relied on pilots to report their altitude. They only had primary radar back then. So if the crew doesnt report their altitude, ATC had no way to know
You information so dam detailed. You truly bring out the events back to life. Keep up the great work.
Your clips are so legit in every sense , there is profound sadness and we learn so much about aviation
This was a sad watch. The pilots sounded thoroughly relaxed and towards the end highly inept. Poor visibility should have been reason enough to exercise caution.
Also, couldn't comprehend the communication between control tower and the plane.
RIP flight 471 victims
They died happy, I guess.
Every video from TheFlightChannel, its just a beautiful masterpiece
Wait..
We meet agen?
Yeah 😍😍
@@yusribija1511 Oh hello there 👋
well there is an old maxim in aviation that " Fly according to your instruments and not according to your senses "... as your senses might deceive you sometimes.
Holy crap they hit 4 people on the ground? IMAGINE being those people! Just living life and you get hit by a crashing huge plane...of all of the way to leave this world, that has to be one that gets you a direct pass to the good places in the spirit world.
2:58 the smog (fog + smoke) even nowadays is very high, visibility goes really bad in the winters
Man, the approach to Delhi airport from the north is so well depicted. There are exactly houses like this as shown in the video. Superb work here!
love this channel..... no narration (thank you)... clear story line explanations.... cockpit view is nailbiting
After the accident, officials from both countries went into protect-my-ass mode.
True tho 😂👌👌
As an Indian, I don't know who to be blamed here but I feel bad for the people died in this crash untimely. RIP
Hahaha. No doubt!
I think India may have gotten it right because the pilots ignored a lot of basic procedures.
That's just normal in a crash.
I've always enjoyed your videos. A few years ago they lacked attention to detail, especially in the onscreen text. They've vastly improved since then. Good job! Keep up the good work!
Just flew American from PHL to TPA last night. It always seems so calm and quiet but yet I realize the pilots are up there carrying out all these checklists to keep us safe. Thank God most don’t act like this crew.
Love it when one of my favourite channels uploads a new video ♥️
It is sad that the pilots did not look at their instruments and call for a go around. We watch this to often where no call for a go around ends in tragedy.
...yet another case of an arrogant, know-it-all Captain...making the fatal decision to hand control to a vastly under-experienced First Officer...after dark...and with significant visibility issues...
...it would appear that the captain also placed total confidence in the ILS system and failed utterly in obtaining a proper visual reference...
...he, and he alone bears the responsibility for this entirely avoidable mishap in which he sacrificed over 90 passengers and crew members...
...hope the surviving families made JAL pay dearly for this dude's criminal negligence...
Unfortunately this is oftentimes RECOMMENDED in order to give the trainee some experience landing in crap weather. It's sad that this happened but it IS part of training, at least here in Canada.
Great video! Such a tragic loss of life that was so avoidable.
I have to agree with the investigators from India on this one.
The aircraft weren't paying attention to the realities and were overconfident in their abilities.
So sad!
How the hell can something 50 years ago and long forgotten be sad to you? one of those passengers was going to be a mass child killer... you should be happy the plane crashed...right?
@@braininavatnow9197 and someone on board may have been destined to find the cure for cancer. Your point?
There are so many systems and procedures today that might have saved this flight. GPS approaches with vertical guidance, Enhanced ground proximity warnings, electronic map displays and terrain display and warnings among others. Non precision approaches are much more dangerous than ILS, GPS with VNAV or LPV or RNAV-RNP approaches which is why they are very rarely used at today’s airlines.
@Mary Humphrey Lol spambots everywhere!
What happened to that straight-in ILS approach they were cleared for? No mention of it thereafter, which is strange because that is their electronic "rail" to runway.
Well made.
RIP to all Souls..
Request kindly make the Charki Dadri mid air collision involving a Saudi 747 and a Kazakhstan IL 76.. its a epic case study of 2 airline companies using a imperial and a metric system in their aircrafts flight instruments..
I have been requesting this ever since I subscribed to this channel. 🥺
I forgot about this JAL tragedy! No wonder that plane looked so vintage.
EDIT: How did five people survive that???
Most likely in the back of the aircraft...
@@philipthomas6808 Ah... yeah that would make sense. That's what happened with 123 too 13 years later.
Ahhh... that was a beautiful plane. May the victims RIP
Om Shanthi 🕉️ to the departed souls
It's always sad when you see these human tragedies even though it's simulated or dramatized. It's very saddening for me too.. It's all the more painful when it happens in India.
Im just curious, on avg how many hours do you spend putting these vids together? They're incredible
avg? WTF are vids?
@@Capecodham average
videos
any other questions?
like 2 and half hours tops i spend. thanks for asking
@@BarbaraWalters_ Baba Wawa! You're still alive?
The topnotch editing perfectly sync to audio, I believe it takes hours if not days to make one video
Another great video by TFC. RIP those who perished. :/
Waiting for a video on Kazakh - Saudia Crash over Charkhi Dadri, near Delhi.
The pilots had to be ignoring a lot for this to happen. The ILS, the glide slope, the baro altimeter, the radar altimeter. It does not mention here if the crash was short of the runway but aligned with it, that matters if the aircraft was on localizer but below the glideslope (landed short of runway). Also, an ILS does not have a MDA or minimum decent altitude, but a DA or "decision altitude". Whats the difference? The MDA is an altitude you don't go below, but you can stay at the altitude until you identify the runway, or reach the MAP or missed approach point, the point at which you are supposed to abort and go on a missed approach. A DA means you go missed. Like NOW.
Thank you for your explanation.
One small addition to the above would be WHY (why MDA/DA). Even a lot of pilots are confused by the difference between these two. And MDA based approach results in a ramp down to the MDA followed by a straight line until the runway threshold, but a DA results in more of a V shape, down and back up again. A localizer just tells you if are aligned with the runway, vs an ILS gives you an exact ramp down to the runway. The MDA means "stop descending and wait to see the runway, then you can go down". Since the localizer does not tell you have reached the runway (the most common MAP) you have to use another means to identify that point, usually a timer. Its got built in safety because the runway is a nice flat area without obstacles on it, so if you don't time it exactly, you are ok. On an ILS, the "ramp" reaches to the runway in THEORY, but realistically it does not. The ILS Glideslope antenna is there at the approach end of the runway, and stops giving you a good signal when you are too close to it. This is why it has a DA. Its telling you "this is as good as it gets... if it is not good enough, go back to the sky".
Scott, the crash happened 16 km away from the airport.
The old false signal excuse, yes that's always a good one to try and get out of being blamed.
Picked up a false glideslope going into SFO in 1968. Fortunately, we broke out of the overcast at 400 feet and realized we were too low. Climbed back up and caught the GS at around 1800 feet AG.
Never heard of this, but this is so amazing! Hands up to y’a! 👏🏼👏🏼
Yep, it IS!
Oh hi , Air Canada
Very well presented TheFlightChannel, with the music, awesome graphics and real audio. This was a very tragic incident. RIP to all those who died.
"While descending, the Captain decides to allow the First Officer to perform the approach and landing, despite his insufficient flight time" You TOTALLY see where this is going. Another amazing job by The Flight Channel RIP to all that lost their lives that day.
Leila Diniz was only on this flight (JAL 471) because she had anticipated her return to Brazil for one reason: the longing that she felt for her daughter (Janaína), who was only 7 months old. She took the flight in Bangkok, Thailand.
Yes, very sad!!!
Big fan of the original music you use, but love this new music too!!!
Thank you as always for great content.
Top notch professional videos, one of my very favourite you tube channels.
Delhi being my local airport, I truly approve.
Is palam and IG airport same ?
@@uniqueurl different but connected internally
@@ankurchh ok thanks bro
Who cares about your local airport?
@@uniqueurl theyre different, but IG airport is connected from the inside.
Power power at 7:34 is terrifying
I would say, since he thought he could see the run way lights, the FO didn't want to argue with him, and when he checked the altitude he realized he was wrong about the lights. He might have been having trouble with his eyes? Or he was drunk. Why would a Captain give manual control to an inexperienced copilot to land in poor visibility?
Some might say "learn by doing" with help by your side. :Done properly it is a good tool for training. They did not have simulators at that time.
The runway was 23 miles away. The pilot knew it. Yet they landed catastrophically. Pilot is the one to blame.
As Larry Be said, that is correct, I am in an airline family ( my grand father ,dad, uncle and my son are/were all airline pilots) now with simulators , all pilots must pass certain standards built around take offs landings and emergencies, however in order to gain "experience" one must take the controls, being monitored by the PNF, ( pilot not flying) imagine going through sim training for driving, and watching and following through with and experienced driver but NEVER being allowed to drive because you dont have "experience" . many other factors played into this crash, accidents like these changed crew training and resource management. As it is said " the aviation regulations are written in blood".
It's always sad that they implement all of these changes after tragedy strikes. I understand that's the way it works, but still seems so unfair to those who lost their lives. Flight Channel, your attention to detail is incredible. You are the best of the best. Thank you for your amazing videos.
I’m at the airport now, and I have no idea why I decided to watch this newest video before my flight
Yeah buddy. As much as I love this channel, I would not be watching any of its content before flying. Have a safe trip!
You will have a safe flight bud. Dont sweat it. Enjoy wherever you are going 😊
they collapsed on banks of yamuna.
had they collapsed on the main city of delhi (2-3kms around Yamuna) there would have been more fatalities on ground as compared to 86 onboard.
RIP to all those onboard.
the pilots inept ability killed many souls unfortunately
I still remember one of my friend's grandfather told us that this was on of the shocking accident of the aeroplane happened in the india in that time!
I just hit the like button so fast! Lol. What a great channel this is! A lot of work involved, that doesn't go unnoticed! Thank you TFC💞
I cannot believe as a virtual pilot, that they haven't used the DME distance at least in this time to the destination airport to check if they are right or not. Even the MDH was not kept by both pilots. It's not understandable, it's even Not happened to me in simulator, to miss this! Unbelievable
Greetings from Brazil. Thanks for remembering our generation about Leila Diniz
Imagine being on the ground getting killed by a fucking plane. My god.
Sometimes a crash makes no sense. This is one of them.
Yikes, 10 miles is rather a long way by which to land short of a runway.
only now I was listening to your tracks, now the new video comes out, I love the algorithm
his tracks? explain? 😅
@@coryverses music track
@@aviationazzurraita1486 i didn’t even know he put out music
at 4:00 the controller wasn't incomprehensible, he said "report the marker inbound"...
Beautifully made video, as always. Thank you.
I always wonder where you are getting the cockpit voice recorder footage from 😮. Great video again, however a very tragic accident indeed.
The captain sounded too laid back, almost belittling the copilot. Totally unprofessional
The ATC and Pilots were speaking the language of Gods
Hahaha
English?
@@dallaslane6927 (He means the static u idiot)
ATC?
@@titan4110 So everyone is supposed to know that "language of the gods" is vernacular for static? You sir, are a massive tool.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, not being instrument rated, but if they touched down 10 miles short of the runway, they would have been way, way, way below the glide slope, wouldn't they? Would it be possible to be that far out and that low and have anywhere near a normal-looking reading on the instrument?
Awesome ! Videos you deserve more than 10 million
this is a great channel. so well produced
It's a miracle anyone survived.
IKR!?? They always perish in crashes like this. Crazy
It was interesting to observe the internal view of the instruments and if they were correct as the Captain had a different inbound course in his course selector window than the correct inbound course for the approach. The first officer did but there were several anomalies such as the no glide slope references as you would have with the ILS dialed in as a back up for glide slope reference. The runway would be visible to the right of the cockpit. Just a whole bunch of apparent errors and lack of situational awareness. So sad.
A Minimum Descent Altitude is not the same as a Decision Height. The former is for a non-precision approach, the later is for a precision approach. An ILS approach is a precision approach, hence it relies on DH and not MDA.
So so Sad! Awesome video!
Excellent as always, please do Pan Am Flight 812, Clipper Climax.
I wonder what it was that the pilots mistook for the runway?
I've long been concerned about the Sun Valley Mall being fairly close to Buchanan Field in Concord, Calif. There was a suggestion that a fatal aircrash into the mall in 1985 might have been at least partially due to the pilot mistaking the parking lot lights for the runway lights.
Maybe lights reflecting in the river? Or along the banks of the river?
Love your vids, but, must admit I am very afraid to fly. How easy 'ANYTHING' can malfunction on a plane, including pilot error.😬😦😲
I’ve heard that New Delhi is the most polluted city in the world. May the deceased RIP. ❤️❤️
It’s hard to tell the difference between the DC-8 and the Boeing 707.
Loved the intro Music I recommend you to add it in all your videos
Nice vid. Keep going!
This should become a Netflix series
They would probaly ruin it... But, I would be happy for the creator gaining success!
Why do all DC-8 involved accidents and crashes show the rear wing intact, I haven’t seen any other dc8 tragedy with the tail destroyed. This is really coincidental, great editing and respects to the victims.
Would you consider doing BOAC Flight 911, the crash that almost killed the James Bond crew?
Another amazing vid!! Would like to see a video by you about Marsh Harbour flight 402 in 2001.
JAL has really improved in the past 30 years. After flight 123 they really grew up
Sigh.. I knew this accident had happened and nothing could change that but it looked like the plane was going to land on the grass and I couldn’t help but hope that it wouldn’t be so serious. Sad. The videos are really well done though. Good for learning I think.
Ah, the bad old days before, 'Terrain, pull up, pull up ..... Terrain, pull up .....'
It's a case of pilot error, wherein the pilots didn't follow the standard operating procedure during landing. How can one even think of landing on a runway which is invisible. The error caused a very big tragedy which could have been avoided. Sad indeed.
Rip to the people who perished 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼