TOYOTA TUNDRA vs GMC SIERRA vs FORD F-150 - FULL SIZE TRUCK COMPARISON BY ENGINEER
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Which is the best full-size truck?: Engineer compares the Toyota Tundra TRD Pro, GMC Sierra AT4X, and Ford F-150 Tremor. The 3 trucks are measured in terms of Quality, Drivability, and Practicality.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean/Agile Thinking or Toyota Production System. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.
I have a 2023 GMC SIERRA SLT (4x4) with the 3.0 liter 6 cylinder in-line LZ0 diesel. The fuel economy at 2000 miles is averaging 29 miles per gallon. Some things it has that the Tundra doesn’t are; AWD (all wheel drive setting), recovery hooks, step-up bumper, multi-function tailgate, flat interior floor). The fit and finish on this truck is excellent. Overall I am extremely happy with this truck. I originally had a deposit on a 1794 Tundra but after 61/2 months they never delivered. So I wound up with the GMC which was purchased under MSRP unlike the Tundra which they wanted $2000 above MSRP. IMO the GMCs are worth a look see for all the Toyota potential buyers.
Recovery hooks are never used on 99% or trucks and the step into eh bumper is worthless compared to the tundra flip down step. I see your other points, toyota still better buy imo but to each their own.
I have to admit this is one of the best reviews that I have seen on this trucks on UA-cam yet. I do not have any of them, but I have something similar to the GMC 2022 Silverado ZR2. So when he mentioned the suspension in the GMC I can not but agreed. Very well done sir.
Very unique videos. Love how you show the paint and the Gap finish. My friend has a 21 Silverado 6.2 with 35000 miles. It has been back to the dealer for the transmission, active fuel management, computer glitches and faulty cruise control. He is looking to buy a Tundra Trd Pro now.
David, I agree with you on the assessment of the 3 trucks. For me, it will come down to 'how trouble free' each will be after they have some mileage on them. I do feel in 2 or 3 years, the Tundra will make needed upgrades to the features that need it.
True but how much work compared to the GMC and Ford and not only that but how Toyota and the other brands are willing to help with the issue. Good luck with those other brands who do not test their vehicles as good as Toyota does
What did you conclude with since its been 7 months? Curious.
Toyota already implemented a lot of these small fixes for the 2024 model year. The small things like door rattles and seat casing issues have been fixed.
Thanks for timely vid. Considering all three. GM seems to bend push rods. Looks great though. Ford is having quality issues too. 50 some recalls last 12 months. Dont like looks of toyota. But Toyota is usually good for reliability. GMC has the best interior followed by Ford.
Agreed. GMC’s interior upgrade was much needed and the only reason they were below the others for the past few years. Seems like all these new trucks whether ford, gmc, ram are hit or miss right now when it comes to reliability (at least in my experience).
Hey David! I must thank you for your expertise and videos. I did factor your feedbacks on my choice... I jumped from 2018 Tundra TRD Sport (which I really liked) to the new GMC Sierra AT4 with 3.0L Duramax. So Far, I like it!! Time will tell! Perhaps another subject for videos: ECM warranty and services from toyota. It's of incredible value!!! Ford and GM has a lot to learn in this department. GM and Ford are 2× to 3× pricier compared to Toyota... greedy I would say. Ford is also very greedy in their option packages... If you compare all 3, option to option, GMC gives you more value for your money.... Also, i really enjoy the multi gate.... jumping into my toyota, was so 1980s lol..... Another video ideal for you would be to compare Adaptive cruise control on all 3. I felt more secure in the Toyota but GMC has more functionality.... that said, I have not tried toyota safety sense 3.0
Die hard toyota fan here. I know by the end of the day the tundra will stand the test of time. Which continues to surprise me from Ford fans you would think they'd be tired of fixing their F150s so often. They've been on the market longer than the tundras and already the tundra has had trucks last over half a million to a million miles. Ford, Chevy, GMC fans are just jealous that Toyota actually put so much testing into their cars. Toyota actually cares about their customers. David do not let these Toyota haters bring you down.
I will take the GMC believe or not I’m a big toyota buyer
The GMC AT4x is an amazing truck, it is $10k more than the other 2 trucks though.
As a previous Tundra owner, I converted to GMC in 2020. The bed, bumper steps, 4wd auto, front tow hooks, actual auto start, and better looks made the decision for me.
Same.
Personally i would rank these trucks as F150 Tremor > GMC AT4x > Tundra TRD Pro. The main reason i would rank the F150 over the GMC AT4x is just price, the AT4x costs at least $10k more than the Tremor which can be purchased for around $65k where as the AT4x is going to cost you $80k. You can easily option the Tremor up to $70k but even there it is significantly cheaper and as you pointed out the interior comfort and ergonomics are easily the best of the 3. I would of course be perfectly happy owning an AT4x if money didn't matter. The reality of trucks at this price point is that they are targeted towards middle aged people who love doing outdoor stuff (overlanding, camping, road trips, etc) and want comfortable trucks to do them in.
I am a lifelong Toyota fan (love tacomas and 4runners to take offroad) so i really wanted to like the new Tundra, but i bought the F150 Tremor instead. My neighbor has a beautiful previous generation v8 Tundra TRD pro with a few offroad modifications and it is an AMAZING truck. The new TRD Pro is a real step backwards in terms of wanting an offroad worthy truck.
The front and rear bumpers are just terrible design for any vehicle wanting to go offroad (even if it had tow hooks the rest of the bumper designs are terrible). If you watch any overlanding videos you will see most peopole take a saw and cut the bumpers right off the truck to put on better bumpers. Next is the cheap plastic interior and rattling. The center armrest feels like its cheaply made in china. That is the first thing anyone touches when sitting in the truck, the fact Toyota cheaped out on the center armrest is bizarre to me. The center screen is great and i personally like the wild color scheme and have no problems with the look of the truck.
If toyota makes an offroad targeted Land Cruiser priced similair to these trucks (as opposed to 125k+ luxury land rover) i would strongly consider buying the next Land Cruiser.
I love this comparison. I am trying to decide between the Tundra 1794 with the TRD Pkg or an AT4. The AT4X is great but not at 83K. If the AT4 had at lease a rear locker like the Tundra I would go for that tbh. That said the rear locker and 5 link suspension on the Tundra is likely going to decide it for me.
No tow hooks on Tundra.
Had my 22 Tundra TRD Pro for 4 months, 8k miles. Traded it in for a F-150 Raptor because I couldn’t live with the awful turning radius on the Tundra any longer as a daily driver.
I love my 2023 tundra! Can’t wait to see how it holds up Long term. I’m also a fan of other trucks, trucks in general are just more durable and love to see them doing truck things 😊. Long live the pickup ice truck market!
Have you noticed the weather stripping along the windows of the Tundra not being flush with one another? Specifically where the vertical strip meets the horizontal strip.
Tundra takes a big hit for not having front tow hooks. You don't need tow hooks until you need them, but when you do, and you don't have them, you'll be furious and swear to never buy a vehicle with such a simple yet important component.
Tundra Hands Down !!! We do not need all that garbage !!!
Tundra absolutely more reliable. Truck for a life
I challenge YOU! Talk about Tundra 3.5 non hybrid vs Ford 3.5 non hybrid. Pros and Cons of engines.
Really like these direct comparisons between brands.
I've had gm trucks and Toyota trucks for almost 40 years, last year I bought a 2010 Ford F150 crew cab 4x4 Platinum, I have never had such a comfortable and quiet riding cab, and electronics all work, my 1996 z71 extended cab cruise control was gone by 100,000 miles, air conditioner in Texas couldn't cool the cab well and would engine would get warm, 210° in stop and go traffic, now Toyota cruise control continued to work and great air conditioner, by far ford cab comfortably is unmatched and quiet, not rattling, with 150,000 miles, quietest cab ever, all the parts staying together
Im a huge tundra fan! But, this new version of tundra is disappointing, just my personal opinion. I thinking of getting a gmc truck.✌
Same. I’m a die hard Toyota/Lexus fan. But, I’ve seen the new Tundra in person and it looks soft. Plus, with GM you can get two V8s; 5.3L or 6.2!!! 😊
Same. I was such a 'Tundra believer', I bought a 2023 Tundra sight unseen. I was disappointed in so many ways that I traded it in for an F150 Powerboost. Never thought I would ever own a Ford. Better truck in every way. (Also bought the super warranty... it is a Ford after all). Perfection of paint and panel gaps is not on my list of priorities.
Don't do it, GMC fan here and I'm desperated with a 2022 I bought and it has mayor engine issues
@@TC-dp3vv really!! Thanks for the heads up.👍
It just lack something, like the capstone lacks of good sound system, massaging seats. The trd pro lacks hud and four way lumbar. Toyota never gives u everything
I use pickups for work, but I’m really not a fan. In terms of styling, the Ford is toughest to beat, but I’ve almost always found myself to be a sucker for GM products for their aesthetics. If I were guaranteed all 3 were built to the same quality standards as the Tundra when they had the V8, I’d always use a Silverado/Sierra. I love Suburbans and Tahoes. I like Expeditions and Expedition Maxxs/ELs. I drive Sequoias. If Toyota made a Sequoia with a larger cargo area to match the Suburban and Expedition EL, one of those would always be in my driveway. I want GM and Ford to get back to making unapologetic V8 trucks with bulletproof reliability.
So even though people bash the new tundra, I have to say it’s exterior is still pretty tough. I got rear ended on my 22 tundra, she was going 45 and I was at a complete stop because of stop for traffic. She didn’t even try to stop cuz she didn’t see me. Anyways her car was pretty bad but the back of my tundra doesn’t look that bad. And breaks are fantastic cuz my truck did a small scoot but it held and I didn’t hit the person in front of me. Dependable and reliable. I love it even more now. And as long as I have a step to get in my bed, I don’t need fancy steps. I get rear ended a lot.
I’m a very long time Toyota guy. I have an 02 Sequoia that runs like a top - still in near perfect condition. I’m looking for a new truck. Leaning toward the GMC Denali.
Toyota is drafting off its “old Tundra” reputation for reliability. It may be able to regain it. But recalling 100,000 2022 and 23 engines, and probably most 24s, really hurt. Even if they repair the engine, I wouldn’t want that kind of intervention into my truck and engine, especially by a dealer mechanic that isn’t getting paid much for a massive and complicated 28 hour job.
Just came across your videos! Wow! So thorough! Great job! Subscribed!
Thanks and welcome
After extensively comparing Ram, GMC / Chevy, Ford and Toyota, I ended up purchasing a 2024 Tundra Platinum. While all manufacturer's trucks are pretty nice and on par with one another for daily use, you get the most for your money with the Tundra. For me at least, with the cost of trucks nowadays I looked at value to dollar ratio and Tundra came out on top. I would have to fork out another $10k+ on one of the Big 3 trucks to get all the same features the Tundra gives me. I didn't know how to feel about the twin turbo setup but man it's a beast and I actually prefer it now. While I like a good ole v8, this thing is clearly stronger and smooth paired with the new 10 speed. I looked at Ram but they've clearly not invested in upgrading the current truck in years and are waiting for MY 2025. Ford and GM/Chevy were just too over priced for the value they gave me. Great trucks but my pockets spoke. It also helped that Toyota threw in an 8yr 125k extended Platinum Toyota Care warranty.
What about price and reliability factor?
Body alignment is going to vary from truck to truck -- in the same manufacturer. Walk around a Ford, GM, RAM, Tundra dealership. The build quality/alignment quality varies.
Thank you for the video. I recently sold my 2nd gen Tundra and purchased a new truck. I really liked my Tundra, but I was always fighting with its limited payload and its towing capacity wasn’t great. The new Tundra’s numbers, although improved, are no better than the other brands. Toyota missed the mark with the 3rd gen. I think they sacrificed too much in order to build on the global platform. The interior feels cramped when compared to the other brands and especially when compared to the 2nd gen. There’s too much hard plastic used in the interior (in the trim levels I was considering), the center console feels cheap, and access to the bed is abysmal. I wound up buying a long wheelbase F-150 with the heavy duty payload and max towing packages. It also has the 5.0L, which helps medicate my concern with liability.
Hi David!!! Absolutely love your honest and detailed insight on your reviews! Could you say if a Lexus truck is coming in 24/25? I’m not happy with the Capstone’s ride and interior color. I checked with dealer in reference to switching 22” standard wheels to 20” to improve the harsh ride, however the said this would cause problems!?
Ford and GMC both offer the V8 engine. I like them the best. I would pick the Ford over the GMC because of the room inside and the comfortable seating. I doubt if the gas mileage is that different on all three. Probably all pretty close on gas mileage. Ford would be my choice with the V8 engine.
The one think I hate about the tundra compared to the others, is remote start. They need that update for the 2022 to fix the whole purpose, because how can it shut off after opening the door, it’s pointless! And their excuse for theft is wrong because it won’t unlock without the key, and by then it shuts off 😠
Nice video fun and informative, superbly done
I own and love Sierra truck
I keep my trucks for about 5 years. So when I sell my trucks, I know I will always get a higher percentage of resale with a Tundra, especially a TRD pro!
David, Will the new I Force Max hybrid engine be as reliable as the 5.7 V8 I Force?
@David - when do you think Toyota will add automatic four-wheel drive to the Tundra? Kind of a deal breaker for me right now with the Tundra.
Hi David, thanks for your videos. I thought in Canada the TRD Pro came with trailer mirrors, did you change them out?
In Canada, the TRD Pro doesn't come with the trailer mirror, but it's standard on the Platinum I believe...
just curious, when you panned inside the Ford F-150 I saw a steering wheel that appears to have a chevy logo on it??
I think there was a mix up in the videos... sorry about that
Great review
I am a Toyota fan with a 2021 Tundra and 2021 Rav4, but the new Tundra is last in all areas.
Love the GMC AT4
good video... you showed a chevy video when you panned the ford interior fyi
I really like the red interior 😍
Anytime, anywhere I will take my 2023 Tremor Coyote up against either of those garbage cans. Tundra looks like a pimps car from the 70s inside.
I'd put Tundra first, got a -22 back in June. Ford second and the GM a very distant third!
Just goes to show how differently he thinks, I have NEVER inspected body panel gaps on a brand new vehicle lol. Used of course, but that’s hilarious he inspects body gaps on new cars
Reliability. Tundra.
I have never had a Toyota vehicle that didn't last at least 150K miles. My Tacoma is as good as new running wise and has 100,000 miles.
My GMC Pontiac, parent's Delta 88 and Chevette, and Ford Fusion were all garbage cars that died very quickly. I've been driving for 45 years, and I really wanted to love a Ford of GM. Never happened.
Toyota will not let you down after 50,000 miles like the others do.
No Titan?
GMC Sierra for me 3.0 diesel
Nice review.
Price on all 3?
I've owned 4 Toyota's and half a dozen Lexus. Currently own a 2013 Tundra that has the unusual dishonor of being the only one to have to be towed - twice. The OEM brakes rust out rather than wear our - another first and rust is a problem even though It was treated with the Toyota add-on treatment at the dealership. Toyota service, at least in Canada, used to the Gold standard - in fact I used to use it as an example in Corporate presentations. In the last 5-7 years you might as well be in a GM dealership.
Love you videos and still like Toyota but not entirely sure I'll buy another one - Lexus yes, (obviously not a pick-up), but perhaps you could do a segment on the what the heck is going on with Toyota Canada. Maybe it's been infiltrated by ex-GM people - Cheers.
A few years back I switched from Toyota to ford and it really is astounding how good the Toyota service department was compared to ford. The product was also much higher quality, hopefully this hasn’t changed as I’m wanting to switch back to Toyota this summer
Unfortunately I've seen quality issues on Toyota's in the states to its not like it use to be there moving profit over quality thats the only thing they had going for them.
Why did Ford put a Chevy bow tie on there steering wheel at 12:54
I really wish Toyota put some effort into the tailgate and bed access. The fact it’s not even remotely competitive in that regard is disappointing.
GMC(with Super cruise) > RAM > Tundra > F150 for me
For an engineer I wouldnt think you would spend 0.55 of the video talking appearances and feeling. Guess you are human😂
Tundra kinda feels like a suv trying to be a truck. Something is just off...would have been really cool of it had the Sequoia front bumper.
Besides looks, though that interior is really nice but again ...missing core truck features and being forced to have the hybrid only option in the TRD PRO just sucks. Zero undeseat storage... I know these are small things here and there but damn, underseat storage is big to me and the rear underseat shouldn't be a battery storage for a hybrid engine I dont even want... It just feels like toyota was more focused on the interior looks and gimicks like the slide down rear window to distract from missing features that trucks should just have ..
I know i pissed off at least 1 toyota die hard, im one too but this gen just isnt it.
Tundra for me is last compared to the other two. Tundra and Sequoia were never leaders in their class in popularity. Don’t blow it on Tacoma and 4Runner, which would hurt big time.
Just one month l buy tundra sr 2023 almost thousaand miles ,6 days work driving 20 to 40 miles day,reason w l chose toyota lees isues more miles on engine,more value to resale.
I thing the sierra interior is best, Ford is nice but more of an old look, and Tundra is nice but seems like it was cheaply made.
You forgot no tow hooks on the tundra thats the only reason I don't like the tundra and no steps on the bumper to get in the bed of the truck.
I wish Toyota would put a diesel engine in tundra.
Spent way too much time reading these comments. Every one of these are both the best and the worst I think I’m more confused than ever. Have a current gen ford which I both love and hate. Looking at Toyota or gmc seems like they could all potentially be junk
Tiny windshield on the Tundra. cheap plastics also. Dumb tailgate and bumper design. Wth Tundra?
Yea my feeling too, for an off-road truck the trd pro bumper design is just stupid. Who wants body panels to absorb trail damage?
Hi David,
Out of the three trucks, I like the TUNDRA TRD PRO the best… I wish it was made in Japan…. My 2019 Toyota tundra I was at the dealership at least once a month or once every two months too many headaches the quality control was way below average in my opinion.
I love the ford but we all know that in the long run the Toyota will outlast it.
All the way ford!!!
Seriously, comparing a white vehicles paint quality to another vehicle with a dark, possibly black paint. You are losing credibility
I like the Ford the best. It’s better looking than the Tundra. I love tailgate steps on the Ford. The Tundra just has the big screen going for it. The body design is nothing special. I like the previous generation body of the Tundra.
I feel like that fords going to look beautiful on a tow truck. In my opinion because I could be wrong, I’d never buy a car off of looks 🤷♂️
@@tonyjoudi466 you are wrong. How could Ford trucks be the number one trucks in sales if as you claim they are always broken down.
@@bngr_bngr buddy, it doesn’t matter that they sell a lot, look at the damn customer reviews, everyone say they are a piece of shit. I know not a lot of people don’t like the new tundras, but overall if you look at reliability, tundras are above ford regardless of your claim 😂
@@bngr_bngr where i live, they are considered piles of crap. especially the eco boost ones always broken in the shop. the coyote one is the only good one
We have 20 ford trucks at my company that get abused daily and they’ve never given us issues as long as you keep up with the regular maintenance. These guys don’t know what they’re talking about.
The tundra interior just looks super cheap and plastic....it may not be but it looks like it
nice 90k$ offroad truck without recovery point!
The Ford tremor 5.0 is better
Tundra is worst full size truck lol and is not important, has low sales.
ford tremor all the way, nobody wants the tundra anymore and its already made in US
The Tundra is so ugly inside and out it's not even close.
When the rubber meets the road , Being a TOYOTA fan boy gets you there and back! ( unless you and a Mouse happen to tap each other ) All bets are off then.
Well at least you put the 3 mediocre trucks head to head. A RAM truck is truly above and in another class of these 3. Facts 💯.
How did you manage to make the F150 Tremor interior instantly morph into a Chevrolet interior when you cut away to a close up of the steering wheel? LOL
12:53 what happened? A Chevrolet steering wheel! 🙈
Lol.
I believe it was an oversight.
I really enjoy Toyota products. But the GM Duramax rules.... at the moment.
My 2016 tundra is holding up great. The only issue I had was that the alternator was going bad. With 90k miles on, I love it and by far the best truck I've ever owned.
previous gen Tundras are amazing trucks. Honestly the only downside is dated interior/lack of tech. But if those things don't bother you then you will never find a better truck. the new Tundra is a step backwards in a lot of was imop.
@Muffin_Smasher I never was into a tech side of vehicles. I want to be driven A to B with a good a/c and heater and not feel like I'm riding on a 5 gallon bucket, lol. I don't need a 32-inch touch screen tv in my truck and all that. It's just one more thing that will eventually need repaired and 1 more bill. I got the sr5 crewmax for the 5 of us in my house, and it's perfect
Hi dave! Thanks for the great review as always! How come you didn’t have the RAM?! lol can you please compare the RAM to the lineup!
I am very disappointed that Toyota did nothing to assist with getting into the bed of the truck. The rear bumper design is terrible and I wish they would have at least done something with the tailgate.
David - when it comes to panel alignment, are there industry standards for acceptable deviations, such as no more than .5mm difference between the beginning of the seam to the end? I see you basically eye balling these panels. But there must be some sort of acceptable or unacceptable variation based on a measurement. Thanks!
I went with an 2022 F150 STX when I was considering a Chevy/GMC or the Tundra. At that time, there were too many issues with the new Tundra and the GMC products were having catastrophic failure issues. Plus, the used market for a previous generation Tundra was out of control. You get a lot with the STX package and I don’t like the chrome and all of the electronics that complicate things in the XLT packages. But, I did put some KO2’s on the F150 after I left the dealership. This is my 20 yr truck… hopefully.
What failure issues exactly are we talking about here?
20 year truck ... Idk with that 10 speed.
@@professorsergio3819 your mom
Only thing you can come up with is this? Says a lot about you, how much a failure you and your parents have been. Kind of sad, besides you sound like a 13 yo kid to me.
Love hearing your perspective on these! Next vehicle I get is likely to be a truck, so I'm glad to hear your thoughts on the build quality and whatnot. Definitely leaning towards the Ford, with either a Coyote v8 or jumping up to the Godzilla 7.3L F250 for towing, but you've given me some pause about considering that Sierra. It does look nice and by all accounts it's a great engine.
Thanks for this, love your thoughts!
All three are great, I went with the Tremor though. Best ride, comfortable interior and most power at elevation. Toyotas interior is cheap and I wasn’t willing to pay ADM.
Why does that truck have a Chevrolet steering wheel???😂😂😂
Thank you again David for your great video and comparisons. Historically the tundra has much better quality, less maintenance, and better longevity than the other two but with the new TUNDRA design, only time will tell.
David, I know which one I would buy but I will certainly give Ford, GM as well as Fiat/Peugeot credit for offering a wider variety of body and powertrain options in their half ton truck lineup. On the subject of the world's best selling pickup, Ford's entire F-Series outsells others. If Toyota Motor Corporation came up with a harmonized name for them, Hilux and Tacoma would outsell the F-Series.
Nice review, David. It's good to know that U.S. buyers really need not worry about making a "bad" choice. For the record, however, as someone who has never owned a full-size (nor do I have significant trailering or hauling needs), I'd be interested in your thoughts following a comparison of trucks equipped with standard powertrains. Thanks again for your insight!
The Ford Ranger, and Maverick, are not included in the F series sales figures.
GMC wins for me. V8. Auto 4X4. Tow hooks. Multimatic DSSV dampers. Multi pro tailgate. Heated “rear” outboard seats. Remote start that has automatic climate control and doesn’t shut off when doors unlocked! Great seating position and hood that doesn’t reflect the sun back into my eyes! Also, no plastic bumpers! Ford would be number 2.
I'll give up some creature comforts for a reliable truck. Unfortunately, with Tundra's redesign, none of the full-size trucks seem to be as trouble-free as the old Tundra.
Seems that perhaps Ford's base 3.3 V-6 is pretty reliable and way less complex than Toyota's new twin turbo 3.5 used on the new Tundra, so I'm looking in that direction despite some complaints about Ford's 10-speed auto.
I'm still mad Toyota let me down with their redesign. I want to buy my last pickup, which means I'm expecting at least 20 years of use out of it.
Toyotas twin turbo has been around for a while It's new to Tundra but not new. Been used over on Lexus for many years now and is pretty solid. The issues Toyota had with the engine like the wastegate were supplier side issues and been resolved.
The tundra is over 10k less costly than the at4x, that's sort of not even in the same ballpark.
I really want to like the tundra, but I still haven’t warmed up to the exterior styling and squeaks and rattles drive me insane! I’ve owned many F150s but that gm 6.2 is an awesome engine. Not sure which of the two I would choose.
2024 model year implemented a lot of fixes that customers reported. My 2024 is solid with no issues that the 2022 and 2023 had.
Good comparison David. I'll be in the market for a new truck in the not-to-distant future. I'll never buy another half-ton from the big3 again. I've had way too much sucess with my Toyotas!!!!
It'll be a Tundra or a 2.75T Chevy.
Don't care for tundra. Waiting for new prado, tacoma and 4runner.
All I can say is when Toyota benchmark a ford 150 when designing the new Tundra .TFL saw Toyota testing it against the ford in Colorado also I remember GM making fun of ford for using aluminum in their truck now GM is doing the same Ford uses a 10 speed transmission now Toyota and GM got a 10speet transmission ford got a 3.5l turbo engine now Toyota did the same I guess if you can beat them copy them that's why ford sells more trucks then GM and Toyota together
Have an f150 and I love the bed step/multi design of gm. The step trim gets damaged when removing and sliding heavy objects in and out of the bed. Completely agree on f150 interior, it’s so comfortable, familiar and ergonomic. Having said all that, my truck has 22k miles on it and is in need of a new transmission. Have just had the valve body replaced but no fix yet, completely unacceptable on a new truck. I used to own a tundra and am considering going back now, or to GM but reliability seems so difficult to gauge.
Which model year and engine:/transmission combo do you have? I’m up at around 20k and having very concerning issues with my 21 f150 transmission
The paint job on my 4Runner is SOOOOOOO bad. Every one I see is just as bad. Great truck, horrible paint is a real dectractor.
Hey David, love the reviews but I have to add a little more color for your consideration. I just compared several F150s, including Tremor, GMC SLT X-31 with the 6.2, GMC AT4 with the 3.0, the Tundra Limited TRD Off-road, and the Tundra 1794 Hybrid TRD Off-road and came away disappointed with the body fit and finish of Ford-check out the alignment of the doors to the body-they’re sunk in compared to the cab. Also take a look at the top of the doors-the front and rear doors don’t carry a crisp line across. As for comfort, the Tremor seats in leather were quite stiff. The back seat door panels, especially at the cup holders were very flexible and squeaked when squeezed-almost felt like they were going to pop out.
The GMC body fit and finish was much better. The interior was very nice and solid, I especially liked the AT4 interior, and I couldn’t find anything that felt cheap or flimsy. The GMC tailgate and rear bumper are clear winners over Ford and Toyota. The only things I could find gripes with in the AT4 were the seats felt a little firm and at slow speeds, the steering feel seemed to lighten up when the wheel was turned more than a half turn.
The Toyota body fit and finish was nice-very close to the GMC. I noticed the line of the front of the hood where it meets the grill-surround trim was tighter at the middle and wider towards the sides, so I’d actually give this one to the GMC. The bed in the Tundra was lacking also-no power outlet, less tie downs, no lights (isn’t this a truck?), why such lack of consideration for bed utility? Access to the bed is poor with only an optional $400 step to get in-why isn’t the step standard? The grills were also very flimsy plastic-might be better for pedestrians but boy did they feel cheap. The interior of the Tundra’s is where I was the most disappointed-lots of cheap plastic parts-door lock levers that rattles around, driver door panel had large gap to door at the top rear, the carpeted floor tunnel moved around a lot under foot, and the visibility out the front of looking forward and to the right is very poor (I’m 6’-4”, so that may have something to do with it). The seat comfort of the Softex seats were pretty good-a little squishier than Ford or GM leather but there wasn’t much height adjustment and the front of my legs were unsupported. When I tried using the extra seat extension in the 1794, I found the seat to be too low to have the extension raise up far enough to touch the underside of my legs, so that became a useless add. The “wood” parts also have defined boundaries where the wood print ends and just looks like brown plastic. For a company that is relying on their reputation for quality and reliability, the attention to detail on the interior leaves me doubting they are still focused on it.
Your right about the f-150 however it was still more quiet on the highway than my 2022 tundra with tighter fitting and better aligned body panels, and also better in that regard than the rest of the competition that I test drove.
And the tremor with the cloth leather combination is by far the most comfortable seat.