2023 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro vs GMC Sierra AT4X AEV - Mud, Rocks & Water will Decide Which is Better!
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- We pit the GMC Sierra AT4X AEV Edition against the new Toyota Tundra TRD Pro to see which is superior off-road. While the Tundra offers you a twin-turbo V6 hybrid, the GMC continues to come with a 6.2L V8, making the character of these truck very different.
For off-roading, the GMC looks a little better on paper, but once we hit the trailer and consider the price tags, will it still be the superior truck? Watch the full review to see whether the Toyota Tundra or GMC Sierra comes out on top, and let us know what you think in the comments below.
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I'm not sure I'd take any new full sized truck off-road nowadays, they are just too expensive.
most idiot buy these these trucks just to boost their testosterone level
And big
Pickups are meant for work not off roading like SUVs are meant for... I like how the companies keep trying to bend the dynamics of the structure.
All the trucks I've owned have to work off-road.
@googleaccount2637 that's the only it must capable of hauling and off road
CORRECTION: We said the fuel tank skid plate on the Tundra is plastic, but that's an oversimplification and doesn't do it justice. It's actually called Xply Armor, a unidirectional long glass fibre reinforced Nylon. Glass fibre tape is layered with alternating directions and bonded by nylon to make this skid plate.
Fancy plastic
Sounds like plastic
@@jaimeavakarianvillamonte744 military grade plastic
AEV Boron steel for the win!
I absolutely love that you compared basically EVERYTHING some videos I’ve seen have been more bias towards one or the other. This really put perspective in my mind about everything.
I just can’t justify a full size truck for any price with less than 1,200 lbs of payload, not to mention less than 9k towing for $90k USD.
They are all about going to the mall to buy a new purse that you can put into the tiny bed. Expensive and useless.
I think it might actually not be that bad of a price.
If you start with a ZR2 which is about the same price as a TRD Pro and then upfit it, you'll lose about the same amount of capability and gain the same eye-popping final price. And that's probably being generous, since you can add alot of the accessories to the ZR2 that come standard on the AT4X. but there's no simple way to make the interior as nice as in the GMC for either the ZR2 or Toyota.
The real problem is all these trucks are too expensive before you even begin adding options, and really neither GM nor Toyota allow you to add the special hardware to the cheaper trucks more people can afford...though again those are also too expensive.
To me, the quality and economics of the midsize offering and the capabilities of the 3/4 ton trucks make the full-size segment very questionable, at least in their off-road forms. Most Colorados, Rangers, Tacomas (2024) and the Rivian R1T will offer better off-road capabilities, economics, and payload than these. If you need more towing or payload, the 3/4 tons are not much more expensive (especially with the gas engine options) and offer significantly more capability. That’s probably why the truck in my driveway is not one of these. But they do probably look cool at the Whole Foods parking lot.
I don't think I've ever seen a vehicle that will more reliably be spotted in a Whole Foods parking lot than the Rivian...but if you say so...
That aside it's false that *_most_* mid sizers offer better off road capabilities. They'll definitely fit more places, but that's about it. Most don't have the ground clearance, angles, or protection that these do and that's a big deal. The ones that do, like a Canyon AT4X or TRD pro Tacoma, have even less towing and payload. And no one is shopping these if they need 3/4 ton levels of payload and towing...you might as well be suggesting a 10 passenger van to those people.
but that's all it really is, you're just not in the target market for either of these two trucks. They're definitely niche vehicles, and I don't think this is where most truck buyers should be looking to spend their money...but mid sizers and 3/4 tons aren't a satisfactory alternative here by my estimation.
While I’m getting a back massage in a self driving truck going down the road towing it’s own 9000 lb payload you enjoy that Toyota. My last tundra blew up at 53285 miles. Total engine failure with all maintenance done at Toyota. Never again.
No tow hooks on a truck in 2023 is insane. They should come on all trucks in 2023.
You still talking about that?
How is that new to you?
What percentage of owners ACTUALLY use them?
@@mikek5298 I would not take my $80k truck to any place like this
@@mikek5298I’ve said the same thing. I’ve driven trucks for 35 years and maybe used them twice. But just like the guys who sink 100k into a Jeep, it’s all to look good in the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.
@@mikek5298 stop making excuses for toyota, it was pathetic to remove them on the new truck
The under side view is REALLY nice. Should show that on all trucks and suv
The GMC's looks & traditional V8 engine put it over the top for me...super video...
Exactly, AT4X looks rugged, aggressive and plus the plush interior. It's actually bigger in person, like a Raptor. Impressed!
100k is hard
It’s not traditional, all kinds of problems. Direct injection, cylinder, deactivation, all kinds of problems with the fuel system, carbon buildup, etc. Not to mention left or failures. They need to get rid of this engine.
As for pricing, the comparable GMC to the TRD Pro would've been the standard AT4. The standard AT4 doesn't have front lockers, massaging seats, high approach bumpers, etc. which the TRD Pro doesn't have.
Agree and since they didn't utilize all the offroad goodies the GMC had I don't think saying it was only a hair better is fair.
@@EGGINFOOLSexactly, they’ll never give GMC their credit. If Ford or RAM was offering all of this they’d be saying how it’s clearly the better truck.
Also AT4X was definitely not needed for this comparison.
@@G-Rated
Price, power, payload, and towing… Toyota is just better in the main category’s. GMC is best in lifter failures though
@@JC71444 not a fan of the cylinder deactivation either. Just found out there are little tuning devices that get rid of that. Solves the lifter issues
weird to have an offroad truck with no tow hooks or front locker. I'd have to go with the GMC if I was off roading for those 2 reasons alone. Both are too big for real off roading I think though.
Let's be honest here. Off-roaders with front lockers are still rare. Only a handful of them are available in certain trims of certain models.
They are being honest. Toyota doesn’t offer a front locker… period.
@@KErtter1 no big deal in my mind. I think Raptor even went back to front open diff. Fact is hardly anyone is actually taking their new full size pickup to places that would require a front locker.
Turn radius for the tundra is doo doo
The TRD pro is the most off road ready truck Toyota offers. It's not supposed to be a dedicated offroad truck. It's purpose is to offer offroad capability to a truck that can still tow almost 12000 lbs comfortably across the country without any issues or drama and then be a grocery getter and errand runner when you get back home. Something that the dedicated Ford, Chevy, and fiat off-roaders can't do. The tundra is an all in one truck. Work, play, vacation, and daily driver and still worth something after 300k miles. Ford Chevy and fiat has no resale value, especially fiat, and won't even make it 300k miles.
As always very interesting comparison!
Thanks for cool content Truck King!
Neither, I went with a 1500 ZR2, Front and rear lockers, all the same camera views same shocks as the AT4X and 1500lb cargo capacity at 73k US. I like Toyota and was excited to see the new Tundra. I think they dropped the ball on a lot of it. Drop the tailgate and try to climb in the bed. You can't even step on the bumper with the gate down. No tow hooks in the front of a truck?? Cheap flimsy plastic all over the exterior. With how long they took to redesign the Tundra, I expected better. Coming from someone who has owned 5 Toyota's including the previous gen 5.7L Tundra.
They really did drop the ball. Even custom trailboss looks better then the tundra pro fully loaded.
Lack of front tow hooks is a firing offense for somebody over there.
You nailed it.
@@KTree470 totally, especially when the incoming Tacoma has them.
Just the not beeping every 5 seconds is enough for me to take the GMC
Impossible to justify these prices new but I watch to see what I might be interested in when they're used, ten years from now. On a 500 mile loop this weekend, I got 18.6 mpg with my 10 year old GMC 4wd with an 8 foot bed. 100 dollars for fuel and no payments!
I average 13.5mpg with both my tundras, 2008 and 2022, pulling a 16 ft utility trailer with two commercial mowers on it. About a 5000lb load mostly on back roads. The 08 has nearly 300k miles on it. 👍
When the payments are over, your truck runs and does the work it needs to do, that’s when you win. Enjoy it!
Those prices make used trucks the best buy, regardless of brand.
Great comparison test. Other channels can learn from your efforts. We'll done.
My Colorado has a greater payload than these two trucks. How does Toyota not put tow hooks on an off road package? The Toyota looks pretty good except for the flush grill. I think having the grill itself set back an inch or two behind the frame of the grill would have looked much better.
toyota should hire you
I agree the payload is weak. My Gladiator has 1500# of payload and much more capable off road half the price.
Damn dude your right holy shit lol. I've got a 16 colorado and yea looked it up. 1,500 lbs of payload.
@@arcsolomon6360 I would agree with you, but the main comment has a point. The Sequoia has the same face, the grilles look much better.
Steel bumper’s & skid plates, tow hook, etc you probably reduce payload by 500-600 lbs just with that.
Adding long travel suspension and you are around 1000lbs
Great video, Both good trucks, but not at these prices. These things are depreciating assets. Great job digging into that price TK!
My trd pro went up 10k in value when I drove it off the lot
@lukerk49 maybe. A lot of people don't like turbos and the next gen has them
Love this video! I like how you compared things in order on both trucks.. could not leave that video till it ended..
Glad you liked it!
Tundra TRD PROs in Houston are selling for $87000 with dealer markups, ridiculous.
I briefly shopped them in Houston and quickly stopped once I saw the markups. Crazy.
There’s a used TRDPro in Tulsa for 90k. Crazy.
Drop the AEV package and it's closer. Silverado ZR2 is my choice over the 3. 😁 However, it's all personal preference at this point. As much of a GM homer as I am, all are good these days and all have their own, manufacturer specific issues.... I WILL say, the Tundra has 2 major, pickup truck specific, flaws in my opinion: 1) limited bed access with the tailgate down and 2) no front recovery hooks...
America was built by trucks that didn't have sissy steps or "fatty" steps to get in the back of the bed. I've been using pickup trucks for 25 years and haven't needed tow hooks yet. If you need tow hooks on a $70k truck you don't have too much sense I think.
@@T_81535 I'm not talking about sissy or pullout steps. When you drop the tailgate on ANY pick-up truck, sans the Tundra, you still have bumper pads in the corners you can step on. The Tundra simply has no bumper once the tailgate drops. You tow hooks comment is simply ignorant. MANY people are taking $70k+ trucks off road. And, guess what? They get stuck from time to time....
So add the pull down step and put the aftermarket tow hooks on and still have enough money left over to buy a passenger vehicle compared to the overpriced GMC. Having owned both, I won't own another Garage Mechanics Companion again.
@@Hrothgar13or buy the ZR2 for 10k less than the TRD Pro. Nobody really knows about this drivetrain’s reliability vs the competition, other than there is more to go wrong with it. 6.2 has lifters, TRD has turbos and hybrid battery that has to be replaced. Cost of ownership is probably going to the NA engine in the long run.
Simple fact, GM as a V8 I declare a winner 😅 even though my heart is the Toyota tundra 💁🏻♂️
The turbo V6 Tundra drinks the same as the old V8 😅 just keep the V8 damn 😰
Funny enough I currently own an old 08 Tundra, shes been great, but recently gave me few small problems, my 2023 TRD PRO will be here next month.
Nice, had an 07 now 2020. Planned on keeping it for a long time but might be giving it to my daughter for her first vehicle. Quick question, I have not sat in a new Tundra how does it compare to the model/last generation like you currently have? I’m a bit concerned being 6’6”. I like the room on the new gmc/Chevy trucks but long term reliability is a big concern when looking at those trucks.
Traded in my 15 Tundra Platinum on a 22 TRDPro with 7k miles. I’ve been loving it. My last tundra was the best. 6 years with no issues and only oil changes, set of brakes and tires, 1 battery… love the reliability !
Still driving my 06 double cab. Had a 00 tundra before.
I have a 6.2L with an 8 speed in a 2017 GMC All-Terrain 1500. I ran from Colorado to Northern Montana and back (1700 miles) and my average was 24.2 mpg. No Toyota Tundra will do that!
Toyota also uses 2 "c" channels welded together for their frame. That is ancient technology, FORD, GM, DODGE all went away from that in the 80's and went to Hydro-Forming. A much better way to make frames! Sheet metal on the Tundra is also MUCH thinner. Open the hoods, grab the hood with each hand and try to twist them. You will see a huge difference! (You can almost 45 degree a Toyota hood but the GMC/Chevy/Ford/Dodge hoods any take a small deflection. Toyota makes a good small truck in the Tacoma, but, the Tundra just isn't there quality wise. This test should have been with the AT4 vs. the Tundra.
The tundra literally is rated 24 mpg highway 😂
Yeah. And nobody has ever gotten that.
Tacomas are a good truck. Tundras are a total fraud. Total garbage truck. Ancient technology on the frame and paper thin metal.
There’s a reason they put TRD on the side!
A tundra would bash through just the same and do it many more times with many more miles
@brettanderson5444, it's rated that, but trust me it doesn't
@@davidleeosbourne2727 for people who can’t drive a turbocharged engine yes.
I think the style on the Toyota looks really good. They did a good job on it.
These 2 are not direct competitors! The ZR2 or AT4 (non X) is the direct competitor to the Toyota. The extra $20k is an accumulation of better interior, better bumpers, front lockers, more under body protection and better wheels and tires. The only thing the regular AT4 (nonX) is missing vs the TRD is the rear locker, but the G80 would have done just fine in this comparo and its priced close to the same :-)
At4 doesn’t have as good of suspension compared to the Trd pro
I think the Chevy Comparable would be the trail boss to the AT4
This is the first time I've said this, but that Toyota isnt going to outlive that GMC.
Is the AEV option even available in Canada, and how much does it add to the already ridiculous price? I’m impressed with your no bs review.
Except for not using the GMC to its full potential with both lockers.
it is and it adds 7-8 grand
Im a Toyota fan and drive a last generation Tundra. The new TRD PRO missed it on alot of things for me in the redesign unfortunately. Those sway bars on the TRD PRO are going to get bent or broken if you do any serious offroading. The huge gap up front between the bumper and the first skid plate? Whats going on there..
Now the interior/engine/new suspension I do love.
This engine (V35A-FTS) isnt new people. Its been in a lexus since 2017... so it has definitely been tested.
toyota should hire you
@@arcsolomon6360 I'd like to think I would bring some great ideas to the table.
@@chrish1850wed all like to think that
@@T_81535 I wonder if they ever allow "regular Joe's" to drive and look over the trucks to get feedback.
@chris1850, yes sir, have that engine in my ‘20 LS F-Sport and I love it. Drove a ‘22 Tundra w/ it and was not particularly impressed, performance-wise. I’m sure the hybrid version would be completely different…
Absurd to me that Toyota or any brand would put painted surfaces in the most vulnerable areas for getting scraped on their serious offroader.
That's because they know most of them will be mall crawlers
Powered coated if you’re referring g to the red sway bars.
Great comparison. First time watcher, but this seems like a cool channel. Time to look at some of your other videos!
It's a no brainer. GMC for the win!
Nah
Heavy duty material/hardware and interior comfort is where some of that added cost comes into play, and the AT4x wasn't used to it's fullest potential. Aside from that they both can get the job done.
Why not compare to the ZR2? Seems like the closer comparison
Fantastic video loved every bit. Great under carriage video. Keep it up !!!
THIS IS MY OPINION. An SUV or pickup truck should not have turbochargers in them. It just increases the maintenance cost and decreases the longevity. Wheter its a Toyota or any other brand. Nothing beats a full size naturally aspirated engine.
Great review gentalman! I literally have been trying to decide between these two trucks for a month. I choice and bought the the Tundra TRD PRO last week for two reasons. Toyota's reliability and strong resale value and second the GMC had so many fit and finish issues that there was no way I was spending the extra 20k. Also the TRD PROs are hard to find (most pre sold) and the GMC dealers in my area can not give the AEV away even at invoice in my area.
Great choice sir Great choice
The only reliable part of the 2022+ Tundra is their ability to have crank bearing failures.
I would buy the GMC …. Because I Did buy one! Love it! Would buy it again if given a re-do!
That's what I said until I bought my tundra. My wife drives a 2022 Denali and I ended up buying a 2024 sr5 tundra. After we had it for a month she fell in love with my truck and I ended up getting her a 2024 limited last week. I'm still buying a 2500 later this year. I need another truck for the farm. My tundra is my daily for work and my wife has her for her side job. So he had afford to drive something nicer. If my wife would let me get a 6.2 I would love to get one just rwd so I can drop it and build a race truck. A V8 will always sound better. I miss my 5.7 😔
My 2007 Silverado Z71 that is paid for and doesn’t cost $85K can do everything these trucks can do with no problem 😊
I love the under chassis view. Will you do the Titan Pro 4x vs tremor vs rebel vs ATX. Compare OEM skid plates.
I'm a big fan of the G80 locker.
I have a 94 GM that i will be keeping alive.. less plastic Sh!t and for 90 grand i can either buy 30 more of them or basically make the greatest truck the world has known. modern economy trucks are just trash... 100 thousand dollars on a truck... people 1200 a month for 84 months, are you nuts?
I WISH YOU GUY WOULD DO OLD SCHOOL GMC SIERRA ChevySilverado like 1999-2006 Models and dodge and Ford the f150 and the Ram1500 the same years from them as well 1999-2006 model years. This would be a Awesome addition to your channel doing some old school off-roading in the best years for GM for the SIERRA1500 and Silverado1500 1999-2006 where the most reliable for this trucks I have own 2 of them and still have my 2nd one 2001 gmc Sierra 1500 ext cab 2 wheel drive 5.3 litter V8 Engine 285 Horsepower with a Flowmaster FX Cat back dual exhaust system. It sounds so good on this trucks. Mileage is 124,490 Original engine original tyranny. I have put thousands I mean thousands of dollars over the past 2 1/2 half years in my truck to bring it back to life. I spent alot of money on my rig but it's all worth it. These trucks last a very very very very long time Especially if you maintain them and take care of them. Especially with just just a little over a 120000 miles is really low. Mileage considering the truck is almost 24 years old. Is a friend of mine had one With 402000 miles on yes, and still running strong. Try to do a video on old school pick up trucks from the years I Mentioned your channel is truly amazing..
It’s not even close! Yota has more power, more payload, way more towing, 20k cheaper, better screen, better on road manners, did just fine off-road. Not even close. Resale is better also.
Agreed 👍
Great video, love the off-road comparison. Only thing is, you have to remember the Toyota Tundra Pro is all designed around fast desert running; not slow trail running. Thus why it did better in that very small section of "fast" running. Don't get me wrong, if and when the Tundra comes out in the Trail Hunter trim like a Tacoma, I would love to see it go against this GMC again. Both vehicles looked great going off road though.
The Gmc is just a better looking rig. The Toyota looks good from the side, the front is a major design fail.
How is that GMC look better, are you blind?
@@wjoseph-rx9mj you are obviously
i think the tundra looks better , the gmc has an awkward front end, the lights
The GMC looks better then the Silverado, but that’s not saying much. All GM trucks are ugly.
Ah the price tag you would have to bring that up 😡
Yhe GMC is the best offroad/luxury ride combo. I own one myself it doesn't get better, regardless of the price tag its the best on the market. Granted I will never take my truck off road but it has all the curb appeal and rides like a dream.
The MT on the Goodyear Wrangler Tires stands for Maximum Traction not Mud Terrain
Another downside is it’s very difficult to get both. Stock really low in Canada! The GMC at4x you also can get the diesel jn 24’ model year
Great non bias content! You helped me to decide to buy my 22 silveradoZR2 Great content from you and your dad! Enjoy every minute you have together! Mine is gone and I always wish I had more time w/him. He would be proud of my Chevy purchase! He always owned GMC products! I am EXTREMLEY pleased with my 22 Silverado ZR2! OUTSTANDING TRUCK! IMO
GM/Chevy crushed the Toyota in the full-size class!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK FELLAS!!!
you didnt factor reliability into your choice
@@mikeligit Mine is like a rock! Praise GOD no issues! Almost 17k miles so far
@@mntdronesolutionsSame here. 2022 GMC Sierra Denali 30k miles zero issues love the truck but regret not getting an AT4
GMC yes, I have a 2020 AT4 6.2 L. I really enjoy driving it. No AEV needed.
The “MT” on the Territory MT’s doesn’t stand for mud terrain. It’s stands for Maximum Traction.
They’re just an AT tire haha
Ah, the tundra has cameras that’ll show you things you can’t go over, whereas the GM doesn’t, but will go over the things.
Morning Truck King!!! Did your area get hit by smoke from the wildfires??
Arson fires ?
@@googleaccount2637 thts what I'm hearing... but not entirely sure myself
If you're not going to use the front locker on the GMC, the Crawl control shouldn't be used on the TRD. Even though ATRAC isn't a real locker but it simulates the characteristics of one. That would be fair.
Appreciate the great comparisons. My absolute favorite to watch…. Off-road comparisons.
Great comparison test! Both seem like absolutely awesome trucks. It would be hard to choose between the more modern (but complex for servicing costs etc) Toyota twin-turbo hybrid, and the old-school 'simple' 6.2 V8 of the GMC.
It's simple... The GM
@@michaelharrisson1683 Personal preference
@@michaelharrisson1683 The thing is the non hybrid TT is just slower than a 6.2, A hybrid tundra is gonna pull on the 6.2 all day. 583 lbs of torque and another 17 horse.....
@@joemcgee2918And no lifter issues.
Lol Chevy has serious issues with all the v8 without modification.
Great video guys 👍
Need to retest these now in the winter and snow
GMC any day...I have a 2023 GMC X31 off road package and I love it...I'd pay the extra to get the GMC!!
Not that I could afford either truck. But I'd go with the Toyota, too. You could put a few mods and better tires on it. I love your guys' channel, waaay more than other channels on here!
Toyota fix the beeping
The GMC is clearly better, so I would take that, plus the TRD Pro would en up costing you close to the AT4x if you could find one, dealers are adding a huge markup at least in the US.
I don't know if you watched the same video as i did , but the tundra clearly did better at off roading and it is cheaper....
Thank you!!!! You barely find any videos of gmc sierra to be tested in snow, mud, rocks. Next if you could test sierra in snow ❄️ I would greatly appreciate thank you
Another grezt video, value for the dollar is an important consideration. Just another thing to thinkabout when spending this dollar value. I do not go off road like this but I like the hybrid engine.
What you failed to mention, as far as the drive ability on the roof to rain the tires make a difference in the grip, the reliability of the truck, the horsepower in the overall performance. The Toyota would do just as well if it had better tires, but I would go with the Toyota for proven reliability, dependability, and overall last ability in Toyota gets better gas mileage had more horsepower more torque for the money the Toyota would be my pick.
GM also got helped by going after Toyota 😅
I don’t trust GM
@@rubenfranko6600i had bad luck with Toyota and no problem with GMC
I picked up a 2021 Warlock with 19k miles for $34k with a push button start 4wd and the tried and true 5.7 heni put a 4" BDS lift kit with the rear fox shock and upgraded to the fox coil overs up front put 35 12.5x15 method wheels with the Borla Attac exhaust and I couldn't be happier the interior is nice not over the tep tech got the 8.4 touch screen with Nav and I couldn't be happier! I'm more into the bang for your buck trucks and cars.
I just dropped my son off for wrestling camp, and one of the Dads behind me had a new TRD Pro. It was amazing looking. He had it stanced like a "baja truck", and the skid plate looks great. I didnt know it had sequential turn signals. Great look!
Im super impressed. I wouldnt have looked for the skid plate without your under the truck review
I can appreciate how good both trucks look, too.
Toyota styling looks a lot like the GMC but hands down I would take the Toyota even though I own a GMC Sierra 2500hd that has been flawless.
I believe you ref your HD. That’s my favorite and I’m looking at easing into that Ultimate!
@@bobbyb.1743 I have a 2018 with the 6.0L. It's been flawless. I have no complaints at all.
I think the GMC is more of an off-road truck than the Tundra.
And I wonder when all truck & car makers are gonna go with side cameras instead of mirrors for fuel economy. Wouldn't be surprising to me. And i think Toyota isn't what they once were, they're sales are based on their past reputation.
Unfortunately its not really possible to change to cameras completly since with mirrors you can change your head position and get a different perspective. I don't think safety rules will ever allow exclusion of side mirrors. Well, at least until all driving is done by AI and not by the driver at all . . . or until tech lets us just teleport from place to place in a blink of an eye.
I don't think it was fair to the GMC to not use the front locker. The Tundra had the extra torque with the electric motor.
I don't understand why folks think they don't need to use 4 low when it would ultimately make it a more capable in certain terrain. I could care less about it "slightly slipping". Isn't the goal to ultimate just get out of a situation as efficiently and effectively as possible?
Who is actually going to take a 90K truck off-road? Maybe the third owner when it has 150k miles on it?
I will choose the GMC because the mechanic is not complicated and it sounds better
You guys have to start driving the Sierra with the performance exhaust package. Adds a bit of additional horse power and torque plus makes it one of the best sounding factory trucks on the market.
They hate GM stuff. it's so obvious. They are only dodge and ford people
That will drown out the lifter noise lol.
Nice to see you finally use 4low on an offroad trail. And you said to keep it equal you didn't use the front locker on the GMC. That isn't equal that's limiting one truck to give the other a chance
I don't want the hybrid option an any price simply because of the cost of maintaining or replacing the components.
@terryduncan31 it's a Toyota hybrid those things are good for years with no issues
I waited my whole adult life for this video!
I just extensively test drove both and ended up going with the GMC, but with the Duramax. After discounts, they were within $1k of each other. GM had over 9k off, Toyota was at MSRP.
The TRD Pro had slightly better road manners, bigger infotainment display, more power, larger fuel tank, and a pano roof. Material and build quality are much better, with little to no creaks or rattles.
Negatives are plastic bumpers, useless cooled seats (major issue in the South), more cabin/wind noise, and whistling from the driver side mirror (multiple did this).
The Sierra 1500 AT4X AEV had the excellent LZ0 3.0 Diesel which while slower, had better real-world fuel economy, with smoother and more useful daily drivable power delivery. Infotainment tech is much better, more features, options, etc. It was also quieter on the road, despite the MT tires. Cooled seats worked great. In fact, even the AC cooled better/faster. The interior looked much nicer and more upscale
Negatives include the smaller display, smaller tank (but still great range thanks for the diesel), bit more creaking, and a bit pricier as built. And a standard size sunroof, if you care about that sort of thing.
Overall, I just felt I was getting more truck for the money and more features/capability. But to be fair, I wouldn't fault selecting either truck. Both are pretty solid.
GMC top truck all day, all way.
Fanboyism is why GM pumps out mediocre crap because they know you’ll buy it no matter what.
@reneeandchrisforever unfounded fodder. Just because you want what you say to be true, doesn't mean that it is. Get back with me when Toyota decides to make REAL TRUCKS.
Even though it’s turbocharged, I’d still trust Toyota’s engine refinement process more than GM’s, especially with the lifter issues the 6.2s have had and its need for premium fuel.
Plus, turbocharged power is so much more pleasant for towing
Because people who buy these trucks are towing with them.
Man once you’ve towed with that turbo you won’t go back. Love when gm folks try to talk reliability too because of said lifter failure 😂 some have blown before the first oil change and you can combine every video of new trucks from every manufacturer besides gm on UA-cam and the videos of failures are alarming for gm.
@@freedomisntfree_44I was a GM guy my whole life. But never again. They haven’t made a decent truck in 15 years. Engines, trannys, rust, etc. all garbage.
@@agentcarderI tow with mine. About a 5000lb load every day.
Talking about jeep comfort = my first jeep - a CJ7 had 7 layer leaf springs, the i put 2000 pound coil overloads on each corner. You could beat the hell out of the suspension, but if you didn't have your seatbelt on and drove over a dime, you would be bounced out of your seat.
apples and oranges.maybe a better comparison would be the regular at4.
Auto 4 wheel drive is missing on the Toyota. Hard pass
The transfer case will last longer
Auto 4wd clutch packs are trash. Learn to shift a tough tcase manually or go buy a tesla if you want the computer to do your driving for you.
Auto 4WD is a game changer for on road poor climate conditions. Actually better for the tcase than binding in 4Hi or constantly shifting in and out.
@@upshifter5316 auto 4wd has been in production for decades. Theres nothing game changes about it other than overheating clutch packs when they do fail. You just don't hear about grenading manual transfercases like you hear about failed auto tcases. One's built for toughness and the other is built with wearing clutches. What's the argument here? Viscous and torsen lockable differentials in tcases were a game changer.
@@CACressida oh well excuse me professor. I hereby retract my statement based on first hand experiences.
Where I have in fact blown a chain driven tcase (and a prop shaft) on a modern Dodge truck due to binding (in a pretty mild use case, too), but as of yet have not blown the 4auto case in my Ford truck, despite 20k+ miles in 4A mode (out of 65k total).
Which reminds me, I left out the part about 4A being a game changer also for putting the power down in ~500 hp trucks since they have a light rear unloaded.
So yes, as Borg Warner would tell you and I’d agree, the clutch based vicious coupling in the Torque on Demand cases is a game changer. Best of both worlds unless you have a dedicated rock crawler.
If I’m rock hopping I won’t be either using a modern truck nor doing it in 4A anyway.
The payload of those full size trucks is laughable!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Agree. The RAM 2500 power wagon is just over 1k too and its a 2500!
@@EGGINFOOLS 2500 is a super duty HD…
The tundra and that GMC are 1500, not the same
@@wjoseph-rx9mj Maybe you aren't understanding my comment. 2500 is NOT a Superduty. Super dutys are 250's. Ram and GM use 2500 names. The power wagon is a Ram and it's a 2500. Now my comment was to descibe that while these trucks have a low payload the RAM 2500 is just as bad in the powerwagon configuration and its a 3/4 ton truck
How much weight do you want to haul before the front end becomes unstable? Have you even driven a truck? That’s what trailers are made for.
@@wjoseph-rx9mj those payloads are still laughable for a 1500 (half ton).
They are both great trucks really, if you can afford a new truck and do much off roading, either one would be fun.
I'm just not sure $90,000-100,000 trucks will see much hard off road action.
The gmc is the king😍🔥
Both are very nice trucks, it wouldn't cost $20k to install tow hooks and aggressive tires on the Tundra, it seems to me that the Tundra was riding better on the rough road, probably as mentioned because of the coil springs. Also the Tundra has better payload and towing capacity, that comes in handy when towing a camper trailer.
I was actually looking at both of these trucks, but ended up going with the AT4X AEV. Here in Texas, the prices are way different. The TRD Pro cant be had for less than 90k and the GMC can be had (or at least when I bought mine) for about 7k under MSRP
Usually mud mode puts a little more slack into the traction control I think. Which might be why the wheels spun more in the tundra
Dude, I have driven 4X4 in my Job for 20+ years. The Off Road Motto is Always. "A Body in Motion, Stays in Motion" follow that Rule and you will be successful.
I like Toyotas, but the Tundra is a pure off-road poser--no tow hooks, not great underbody protection. Those two deficiencies make the Tundra a loser for hard-core off-road use. From what I have read, Toyota learned their lesson on the 2024 Toyota TRD Pro and it looks to be pretty off-road capable.
But who is actually using their new, expensive, full size truck for "hard-core off-road use"?
No full size truck is a serious off roader. To big!
@@ALMX5DPNobody. This is hating by people who can’t afford a new truck. A full sized truck isn’t made for “hardcore” off-roading, it’s made to look tough in the mall parking lot.
@@ALMX5DP You forget that many full-size trucks are bought by fleet users where trucks can see very tough off-road use. I used to live by one of the largest natural gas fields in the U.S. Those oil/gas service 4WD trucks saw some very severe off-road use going into and out of isolated well sites, etc. A friend of mine uses his business truck (a crew-cab short-box 3/4 ton 4WD) to maintain remote radio repeater sites. One is 17 miles of 4WD trail that would rate a 7+ out 10 for toughness. The trail is actually in a Wilderness Area where vehicle use is prohibited, except for accessing that radio site for maintenance. So, there are people using newer, expensive full size 4WD trucks for hard off-road use--some of them on a daily basis.
@@rockymountainjazzfan1822 I’d argue that is a relatively niche use case, and one where fleets and companies are okay buying vehicles and adding the necessary equipment themselves to suit their specific goals and environment. Certainly no TRD Pros or AEV editions being purchased by fleets unless it’s perhaps for the big boss who just wants to write off their personal vehicle.
While I agree the price difference was fairly substantial, I think it was a slight disservice to say the GMC was only a 'hair' better. Even saying slightly better would have conveyed the difference better than a 'hair' which implies almost identical.
Plus a better comparison would have been ZR2. The gmc is more and the aev is more. Cost is pretty much identical to trd with ZR2, and the aev didn’t add any enhanced performance to this test.
Well you saw the video right? Looked like very minute differences to me. At no point did I think "wow. that GMC is a far superior offroader do to the tow hooks or ever so slightly more aggressive tires. Also your definitely going to feel the torque difference on the low end in the tundra. No way I'd pay 20k more for a truck that is less powerful, less capable, less reliable, and has less resale value on top of it all.
A couple things I think could have/should have been shown in video.
1) if comparing trd to gmc, spend more time on interior and features. I think the gmc is a much more luxurious and comfortable interior.
2) if just considering capability off-road, the ZR2 should have been the comparison. Pretty identical to pricing of trd, then you can debate merits of front/rear lockers vs low end torque and rear coil overs at same price.
To me, this wasn’t exactly an apples/apples comparison when such a huge price discrepancy was the “deciding “ factor when the same truck at comparable price point can be had
Video seems biased towards Chevy. The Tundra has considerably less wheel spin in all instances. The missing front hooks is probably the only glaring issue but what’s a few dollars for some hooks considering the price of these trucks. Every one I know who has one of these newer Chevy truck had them in the shop for a few months without carrying issue. Must be that hair better thing.
Hard to imagine doing an off road test between two trucks with different types of tires 🤦
I've heard great things about the towing capacity of GMC trucks.
The Toyota plastics don’t make the same noise as the metal so maybe you did hit.
Finally, a comparison that is not terribly far from fair. I can’t stand when people try to compare either of these to a raptor or a TRX. This comparison is fairly the same. Yes, I’m aware the tundra isn’t naturally aspirated.
How was the bed size compare? They both have crap payloads. GMC wider? longer? heavier?
Rustier.
Both trucks are awesome, I love the AT4 line and the trail boss line, but I’m more of a Toyota guy, the price difference is crazy for the similarities in off roading. Give me the more reliable one
I like 👍🏼 the the Toyotas look 👀 😅better by far the front end and rims although I like 👍🏼 gmc’s bumpers way more
Toyota looks awful.
@@wint_62remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Tundra all day thank you