Game of Thrones: The Philosophy of Daenerys Targaryen - Wisecrack Edition
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We all know that Game of Thrones is just that… a game for the Iron Throne. But with all the time spent theorizing on who WILL win the Seven Kingdoms, we decided to take a different approach and pose the question: Who is actually FIT to rule the Seven Kingdoms? In this Wisecrack Edition, we focus on the Queen of Dragons herself, Daenerys Targaryen. Through the lens of political philosopher Niccolò Machiavelli, we evaluate Daenerys’s leadership skills utilizing three of his most famous texts: The Prince, Discourses on Livy, and The Art of War. How does the Breaker of Chains stack up? Let’s find out!
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I would really like to see an 8-bit philosophy over Sun Tzu's art of War
Anna Che NO, Thug notes
MR.2
BON KUREI
Ganther Tumtums Why not both?
Anna Che that would be amazing!
Can I get one of these videos for every all candidates for the iron throne? That would be greaaaaatttt
Wisecrack read this comment
agreed
Signing on for this.
100%
Plz
“No dead children”
season 8 ep 5: challenge accepted
Have you guys noticed how Daenerys cringes when someone is killed with a sword (or there is bloodshed) but then looks content when people burn.
Mother of Dragons. Logic.
I have. I was watching one of these videos discussing the idea that cersie and jamie might be the mad king's bastards (that was hella convincing, ill find it for you if you want to know more) and I see that parallel between her and Cersei. I think they're two sides of the same coin- queens who get in over their heads and love fire to a disturbing degree. I think Danaerys is aware that what her dad did was wrong and therefore actively tries to hold back the firelust I think she feels, whereas Cersei gives zero Fs and has admitted repeatedly enjoying watching people suffer. Cersei has no restraint, Danaerys is constantly in conflict within her self of when to hold back and when to "be a dragon"
She's a Targaryen after all.
@@NotYowBusiness Baelor was also a Targaryen after all.
Jaehaerys I was also a Targaryen, Daeron II was also a Targaryen...
Why does she cringe lol. Is she not use to the bloodshed? She kept letting jorah come back too dang kill him
I dunno, I think Daenerys needs more titles to be a better ruler.
read titties. not dissapointed
well the current Queen Elizabeth has at around 16 official titles so Dany's are nothing really compared to real world monarchs
you mean titties
lmfaooo
Liam Molenda oh yea definitely
Daario literally summed Dany up in one sentence. She's a conqueror.
He knows her inside and out
She should have been with him regardless
Philosophy of Jon Snow aka Philosophy of knowing nothing
PaleGhost69 "I'm Jon Snuuuu"
PaleGhost69 Jon Snow is a follower of Socrates' teachings, "all I know is that I know nothing". Who knew he was such a penceive kind of guy.
Well, it's other people that constantly tells him he knows othing so in essence he doesn't know he knows nothing. Thus continuing the trend of knowing nothing. If he knew he knows nothing then he'd know _something_.
aka Wanted - Dead or Alive
PaleGhost69 Epistemological nihilism?
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Tyrion's slavery plan wise. He negotiated with masters who (a) didn't know who he was, (b) wanted to discuss it with Daenerys, and (c) were promised basically nothing that they actually wanted.
After all, what did Tyrion ultimately tell them? "We'll give you seven years to somehow figure out a new way of life for yourselves and every other slave master in Slaver's Bay, and in return we won't destroy you"? That's not a negotiation, it's blackmail. And the masters could sense that Daenerys wasn't there to back up that threat, so they attacked in anticipation of self-defense.
Yonatan but what else was he to do? As soon as they realised they couldn't see Dany, they'd attack. It was a lose-lose situation and his hands were tied.
The sad thing is, Daenerys may barely be passing but she's at least beginning to recognize that she needs help when it comes to governing. Hence why she seeks counsel from Tryion; they do a pretty good job at complementing each others' political strengths and weaknesses. But will it be enough?
Seriously, are people just tuning out when she's been shown seeking counsel from others lol?
Honestly, I think the only person capable of effectively ruling Westeros is Tyrion.
He has the intellect, patience, and negotiation skills to maintain peace among the Seven Kingdoms, and his willingness to adapt and compromise makes him a very approachable and therefore likable ruler. There is little probability he's gain the throne, but if he doesn't all I see beyond him is ruin.
Professor Politics tyrion had to clean up jofferys mess so he can do a much better job with danny
i think I agree with you tyrion is an effective ruler but not much of a leader. the difference between a leader and a ruler is ther scope and intereste. the roles of the leader is to set objective, inspire people to follow them and be an example and in many cases deanerys is very effective at that as stated daario shes a conquerer not a queen. in the show tyrion lacks many qualities of a leader, for one he's a dwarf and that a fairly major weakness in the GOT universe, second we don't really know what his vision if he has one, it looks more like he's been looking for a person to follow all his life.
The Mad King sought counsel from Tywin once. Didn't work out too well in the end.
"Its better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both" is the quote and adding that final part is vital to the meaning
every time he says Machiavelli I remember AC brotherhood and then remember Ezio and how awesome he was ... this is a good video
Same
Dany's position in slavers bay is a bit more complicated than the video admits. There are a lot of historical analyses comparing her time ruling and the reconstruction era after the US civil war. In that analysis, the Wise Masters are essentially the rich slave-owning plantation owners. It's not really a situation that leads to a healthy debate in the "both sides have a point" type of way: The wise masters were going to react violently to any loss of status and having their former "property" given personhood.
Blue Cat agreed I couldn't have said it better myself
Yet not all of the Masters were cruel to thier slaves and some even treated them better than when Daenerys rules
ura0124 no I'm saying that her reaction was too general and that she hurt a lot of good people to get the bad.
Kloski Sloviski like who
@Fallenfromgrace exactly
Apply cold water to burnt area - Philosophy of Deanerys
Nice Guy But she cant be burned, how are you going to solve that problem?
Peter "Avatar" Altmaier Yes she can its just that D&D are so fucking shit at writing that they decided to make Danny immune to fire.
I think that same phylosophy applies to her fangirls and fanboys while looking at this video.
I literally just watched a video talking about how she's a Mary Sue with no flaws and I'm just like... bruh. she is blindly leading by her heart with none of the histories of previous battles to learn from like the lannisters have. The fact that she's doing so well is impressive, but she absolutely is flawed and I think it's good to have a flawed character.
Someone who wants the iron throne ( symbol of the absolute power ) is flawed by nature.
DO LITTLE FINGER AND VARYS
S. I. V. The actual players in the game of thrones
Olenna Tyrell and Tywin Lannister were really good at the game, too.
Carlu Yabut yes, but they are no where near the level of varys and little finger and how they rose to their level
S. I. V. i do hope someone big dies though, otherwise it isnt game of thrones
They're both playing the game, but Varys seems intent on restoring the Targaryens, with little intent to increase his status.
Littlefinger seems to be in it for himself, and for Sansa Stark second.
Neither are trying to take the throne themselves.
Solving problems by yelling and burning. I should try that on my next exam.
I heard that two high school students tried this approach in Littleton, Colorado ^^
@@DonSuperbe i doubt it worked. At least not how they thought it would anyway
@@jasonleslie203Yeah, they were too dependent on malfunctioning detonators.
@@DonSuperbe damn. Sucks 4 them i guess
- Where is your homework?
- My dragons burned it.
Philosophy of House Stark, aka Philosophy of Honor.
soyon manlai the Stark men lack virtu. C.
flipmaya Ned stark is the one who lacks the. virtue but the others didn't
sansa's 100% virtu, the only stark who'd survive in face of adversity.
flipmaya Robb Stark lost his head at the Red Wedding, but Jon Snow banged the red-headed wildling. I think he might do better...
More like house of death
"No dead children . . . in Essos. Westeros is where I take a dump on my principles." -Dany Targaryen. 😆
"not following your ethical tunnel vision into a very shitty tunnel"
The Nedstake as I like to call it..
I was so upset with Ned Stark the first time I read the books. His gravest error was warning Cersei of his plan to reveal the incest and put Stannis on the throne to...I dunno, give her a chance to run or something??
What about Cersei gave him the impression she would just roll over and say "Damn, guess you beat me! Shouldn't you put some cuffs on me or something? I hope there's a Black Cell with a window free, but then again I guess maybe there aren't any windows down there, it being the black cells and all. Oh well, I'm sure we can work out some type of imprisonment in any case!"
Definitely a mistake, but given that he's spent the last 14 years or so living with the fear that Robert would come after Jon, an understandable one on a human level. Unfortunately in ASOIAF, acting in a humane way often ends poorly.
Ned didn't want to harm the Baratheon children (given the delicate manner in which Robert handled the Rhaegar situation I'm pretty sure Ned assumed that Joffrey, Tommen and Myrcella would have been executed along with Cersei and Jaime) and gave Cersei a chance to take them and run. He also thought he had the Goldcloaks on his side (...unless that happened afterwards? I don't entirely remember the timeline) and so was trying to avoid a war in King's Landing. It seems obvious to the reader that Cersei wouldn't just roll over, but Ned comes from a very different culture (especially politically) than the southrons.
choronos Ned and Robb seem to have a huge boner for children. Before trying to save Cersei's 3 kids, he was going berserk trying to protect Dany and went through serious confrontation with Robert for that.
The problem with your analysis is it fails to take into account the uncompromising position of Danaerys’ adversaries... She cannot effectively act in any way other than to opt for outright destruction as her enemies will not accept any of the olive branches she offers to them. The sons of the harpy and the slavers are utterly uncompromising and prove that some problems cannot be solved by taking the middle road... Tyrion’s pragmatic efforts ALSO prove this point. When the enemy is utterly ruthless, cunning, and hell bent on achieving its objective the only way to defeat it is to remove the weed root and stem (think Tywin Lannister with the Reynes of Castamere).
This is blatantly false. There were so many times I'm the series where Dany COULD have compromised, but chose not to because she deals in absolutes - that's the difference between her and Jon, Dany was never good - she is a conquer, and this was made evident when she first got power.
Philosophy of Avatar the Last Airbender
YASS!!!!!!!!
Ok...just not the movie.
Yes please!!
been watching avatar the last couple days, legend of Korra is better though
Zuko and Iroh deserve their own video
that was really interesting, you should do those for more GoT characters 👏
Please tell me you're going to do the other throne candidates? It would be awesome to hear you delve into the characters of these people and evaluate their worth as a ruler based on what you can pull from the show.
Yes please! I loved this video on Dany. So insightful and very true.
Cersei would be interesting
Would have been fair to mention Daenerys is like 15 years old, she is just learning and really darn fast.
You don't put a 15 year old traumatized teen with close to zero experience in ruling or even access to books or school, and expect her to get an A+
Sergio PB I think they're talking about the show version of Dany. Cause I don't think they mentioned anything from the books.
Erik Delgadillo They're both spoiled brats either way
Sergio PB in the books in the show she's like 20 but still
Okay, but she's being compared to other young people who rule aka Jon, Rob, Joffrey, Sansa. She's aged up in the show, partially because that's the equivalent of Middle Ages maturity. 15 was considered pretty adult when most people didn't live past 40. And that's generous.
If you can't get a straight A you simply shouldn't rule. The 'she's still learning' is the same dumb excuse they give Trump when he, again, misunderstands a simple constitutional law. It would have been more fair if Dany realized she's crap at ruling and gave up on it. That said, her personal character traits aren't suitable either. Even after 'learning' she'll still lack patience, she'll still suck at conversation and she'll always play pretend.
The last time I was this early John Snow was still dead.
Ethan Palmer on God when I saw his resurrection I was like "Everyone is fucked."
I was like "Well WHO would have guessed that"
technicaly he's still dead. he's a fire wight.
I always wondered why the red woman just go and revive king Robert and his brothers and Ned to reclaim the throne.
no technicaky he is not dead u need more kiss of fire to be dead
*_Daenerys is not meant to rule, but to conquer, just like how her ancestors has done._*
The definition of conquer means to rule.
@@ctruth6185
What he means is that she is good for get things, but very bad for keeping them .
*Jaehaerys, aka the best king that ever sat on the throne, has entered the chat*
55 years of nothing but peace and prosperity. His like will never be seen again.
Years after finishing the show I reflect that there is not much difference between her and Robert. Both knew to conquer but didn't knew how to rule
@@hisholiness4537because he had wise people to advise them and he listened to them unlike the rest of them
So, she'd be better off becoming a general in somebody else's army...
peytongonavy Dany takes the throne Jon does the ruling
Like...Tyrion's? :)
Jon is fair, Tyrion is smart, Dany is powerful.
Not really, what danearys is good at in terms of virtu, is improvisation
Marry Jon, so Jon becomes king, Dany be queen and Tyrion an advisor
Its funny how people got all surprised at the last season when she burned all those innocent people like omg she went "0 to 100 so fast!" Like nah, at that point she went from 70 to 100. People acting like she wasn't a "burn first ask questions later" type of Queen lol
if not with dragons, daenerys would been already killed even during her reign, but whereas this is a main stream show, realism is only for secundary characters,
Vasco Ambrosio ned wasn't a secondary character, neither were half the people who have died
Vasco Ambrosio and as you said she has dragons it's kinda hard to kill someone who always has 3 giant dragons around her
Dany is all about a system of freedom and liberty as long as it includes her at the top as benevolent despot. I'm not sure Dany would care all that much about either if they were achievable and ended without her on top of the pyramid (yes, I know). This will be part of her conflict in TWoW and ADoS (sorry but I'm a book purist) and is of course reflected in GRRMs "human heart in conflict with itself"-ethos. Hope she is willing to do "good" regardless of weather it gets her a throne in the end. That's the difference (or one at least) of her leadership and Jon's.
Do philosophy of Tyrion Lannister!!!,"i drink and know things"
"Also, I get so wrapped in paranoia about my height and my admittedly psycho sister that I let the sneaky guy and the sneaky bald guy run rings around me after I outsmart them exactly once. Of course, that 's a bit long for your common meme or t-shirt... Drink up!"
Daenerys is a master of creating her own luck- with Dragon fire.
Kind of explains the 5th episode of season 8.
Yes it's not that crazy of a turn this video goes to prove that she's always done it but season 8 presented her solution but told from the eyes of others. Combined with the genetic probabilities she would go crazy like the mad king, the lack people questioning her and the feeling of lonelyness made everything she did worthless in the mind of someone who been abused her whole childhood and told that she's only one thing. what really is the point when you achieve a success that you thought you wanted what's the point if you got what you wanted, you want more. This show has always been realistic and this just goes to show it. I very much enjoyed this ending and completely see why George r Martin agrees with it. She's not a great leader and didn't deserve it. She was too egotistical too in her head. It just goes to show that no one person should rule over so many people. It was shown that even still she wouldn't let anything but complete control over everything. She was fixated on breaking the wheel her way only, when did the show portray her as a person of compromise willing to work with what's she's given. Even if she spared the city what difference would it have made under her rule. But the wheel is to big and to complex to break without something to replace it with and idk if she knew what she was going to do after in the world where she spared them. That's why the only option to get what she wanted was fear. But once you sacrifice your morals for the thing she wanted it wasn't enough. But I do agree that the show maybe should have been more explicit in her thoughts, but then why would you try justifying nuking a whole city. Her character was flawed as were all the character. As we all are. That's the moral question the show leaves us with. Some characters realized their flaws and lived while others died to them. And jiamy choose his fate knowing his flaws but his love meant more. There's really a good video here for it on all of their flaws and the phycology of metacognition
Yell and burn baby!
I really would have liked to see what kind of king Tommen would have been. He was weak at first but he would have become wiser with time I think
He was boring as heck. This is game of thrones
Tommen was too young, and too soft, and not expected to become king.
In a pool full of sharks, including the great sparrow disguised in gold fish, he was a pawn and was doomed to fail.
The reason she's staying in power is those dragons
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Actually Tyrion being by her side seems to be doing more harm than good. Like like when he negotiated with the slave masters it ended in them being betrayed and having the city almost destroyed. Also those battle plans that he came up with... what happened? They failed and on top of that they lost atleast one major allie in each battle. Every single major thing Tyrion has ever counseled her on has become a complete failure. It actually ends up turning out that each time her way of doing things, rather it be destroying them all or imprisonment, would've ended up being the right way.
Iryanna Beckman its all happend because tryion plans, dany lose her allies dorne and tyrell because of tryion
Yun Zhao exactly
Iryanna Beckman When cercei blew up the sept people like wow she got her revenge she is so badass when dany got her revenge booooo she is burn everything she is a mad king's daughter she is the mad queen lol
@@grimaldus1523 And yet, Daenerys burned some slavers who murder children for fun, and saves over 500,000 people.
As for Stannis,he burned his daughter, and the majority of his army leaves him.
Benjamin Garrett I find it intresting that you look at TV show stannis instead of book Stannis, if you look at book stannis then he is morally superior to everyone else in the show except ned.
Dany also destroyed culture's, her invading nations because of slavery is not a right, she is not god. She is causing chaos in the slaving cities by destroying their economic system and culture.
you called it, here after she burns down kings landing
Thank you for admitting that Wisecrack is doing more of a projection than an actual analysis of Daenerys Targaryen.
you are failing to mention many things; a) Daenerys reopened the fighting pits, b) married xaros to seal her throne, c) the reason why she killed the former slave who was advising her was to give Justice to the former Masters as well... if she crusifice the former master the former master for harming the former slaves, she ought to give the same Justice to the Masters, if she wants to be queen of all citizens... the only thing Daenerys is missing is Mercy, and thats why she has Tyrion, and why she had sir barristen...
and also, you are applying different things on different occasions in order to make her seem as she is failing, like saying she didn't pay attention to the former Masters, when she reopened the pits, and married one of them... Tyrion negotiate with the Masters and they betrayed her
ca ss Did you not watch the video? *Justice =/= good at ruling.* Crucifying the masters was idiotic. *Pissing off the nobles of Mereen who have power, money and influence* that they could *use against her* (which they did through the *sons of the harpy).* Suuuure, good idea.
*Killing the former slave* for killing an alleged Son of Harpy before his trial may have been righteous and just yet it *was also stupid.* The former slave mentions that the people of Mereen *don't understand the concept of a trial.* So from the perspective of the people, all they see is their *foreign Queen slaughtering a beloved former slave* turned hero who played a big part in helping Dany overthrow the masters. She should have *pardoned him or at least execute him privately,* not out of kindness or mercy but rather because it is the *wiser thing to do.* Dany's *power roots from the love of the people* yet by executing the slave, she lost that strength.
Also, *crucifixion isn't justice* but rather *vengeance;* a clean execution or exile would have been justice. Some of the nobles she executed was rather against the crucifixion of the children
In addition, she did NOT marry Xaro, Jorah convinced her not to back in S2
Regina Phalange I think that the person made a mistake, and ment her engagement to the son of a man she formerly crucified (his name escapes me), and not Xaro.
@@anonnonny3142 That was Hizdahr zo Loraq
The important thing is that she is trying to serve all the people and be just as possible
Daenerys has the ambition, heart, and following, Jon has the humility, honor, and battle respect, Tyrion has the political smarts and experience.
Thank you for this, highlights all the reasons why Danaerys is last on my list for victors I want.
Philosophy of House Targaryen aka Philosophy of Conquest and Madness.
and incest is wincest
Any man who must say I am the king is no true king. Seems quite fitting...
Especially after a bastard king in the north tells her the truth about who he really is her claim to the Iron Throne is threatened.
that moment when you are italian and knows all those words O:
*know and there are two spaces between "all" and "those"
xyoxus I thought grammar Nazis died out in 2010
Usagi Tsukino
It's an underground movement nowadays.
Top Personal I am Portuguese and pretty much every romantic language can understand these words. Go Rome!
PRO ROMA ! ;)
“Their leader ‘Ringworm’ becomes her most trusted adviser.... “ I didn’t know this. I thought the unsullied leader was named “Greyworm”?
Well, if it wasn't for the White Walkers, maybe we'd get the chance to see the whole structure break down again, with the Dothraki raping and pillaging (the way the Ironborn are told they'll no longer be allowed to do under her reign). BUT, as things are, something tells me we're not going to have the opportunity to see those realistically inevitable problems arise.
There are still to seasons. Lot of time to go there......... Lot of time to die too.
Sada Correction. There is _only_ two season left. And they have fewer episodes than before. And from the promo material so far, one of them is highly likely to just focus on the war for the throne.
My guess is that the Dothraki will likely be reduced to exotic cavalry, with barely a mention of their previous culture and traditions.
Meh, with any invasion soldiers are going to go rapeing and murderering.
The dothraki aren't an exception.
you say that like EVERY victorious army in medieval history didn't go raping and pillaging their adversaries countryside...
Lena Johnson The basis of their entire society is going around raping and pillaging though
Yea, but that's where Tyrion comes in. Tyrion and Daenerys are gonna be a fucking powerhouse.
Philosophy of daenerys is make slaves without chains and let them think they are free
That's the definition of being free. The only one.
May your actions not be coerced by anyone but yourself.
What else do you want? A mother?
@@mikehoot3978 A slave who still lives in a pile of shit who works for a pile of shit bread... whilst people or neighbours live in luxury with the same system... thinking you deserve this shit life because you failed that is the worst one, would you want slavery with the thought you didnt deserve nor do it to yourself or a system that blames you for living like a slave
@@ShoreshFathi A marxist here.
Daenerys was in favor of free agreements.
There is no such thing as magic.
Hard work, save money, and slow progress.
Anything else is a lie.
Like marxism.
@Jeremy Shaffer No, i'm against dumbasses like you.
Without chaines(without coertion) is the very definition of freedom.
Only a moron with an IQ of 50 couldn't understand it.
PD: Also Daenerys is the biggest liberator of the story. hahahaha
She freed the entire bay of slaves from the millennial tradition of slavery.
Approximately 700,000 people.
DUMBASS!!!!!!!!!! You not even watched the show!!!!
@@mikehoot3978 Maybe read the books and feel differently. She forces the people she conquered into hard labour without any pay. Working a job you don't want to do for no money= slavery. She gets embarrassed when called out on it in the last book
Remembered this video today.
Watched it several years ago while walking around at midnight eating メロンパン.
Tried recapturing that glory, but I suppose you can never truly go home. Miss you, Jared.
Jared has his own channel now btw.
It's kinda implied that the unsullied is still a slave army tbh, the way that the army was talked about in Astapor in the books basically just says they're completely loyal to whomever they serve
Not to mention when she was "freeing" them notice how she was still holding the whip. The whip that symbolized they belonged to her, and she didn't let go of the whip until they followed her. Which they were already gonna do because she was still holding the whip. Not to mention they have no place to go. No home, no family, no safety, no security, no humanity because they were forcibly trained since birth to be mindless slave soldiers which they still are. She never really tried to humanize them or get to know them.
People claim they want a female character that is not perfect at everything she does but the moment a writer creates one that as alot of flaws, those same people start insulting the character.
this video gives so much insight on Daenerys choices throughout the series. please make a video on Tywin Lannister 's Philosophy
miss4696 he is the best leader not the most friendly but the best
5:52
“The good ol’ Yell & Burn”
🤣
PLEASE DO DEATH NOTE!!!!!!!!
The show was ok but the movie is gunna be a 10/10.
Byron the best You're joking right? i get it, opinions but how is Death note only "okay"?
Rose Aranmen yeah don't think the show will be as good
I agree all those facts take points away from the show but it's still an amazing watch
philosophy of death note. yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's some omission of key details from the show in this video, and frankly, it's frustrating, and it undermines your arguments. Daenerys did initially refuse to re-open the fighting pits, but eventually she did in fact realize that flexibility was required of her and changed her position. Secondly, you omitted facts surrounding Dany's conquering of Astapor. She did not just simply "yell and burn stuff." Seriously? She was clever, holding back her feelings and not letting loose her temper or letting on that she was fluent in Valyrian. Her strategic abilities and cool head are really what won her Astapor. Please don't oversimplify a complex character in order to make a point.
But do you agree that she didn't make a coherent plan for Astapor after she removed their political class, and that by staying in the region she made sure that this power vacuum would affect her future? Her subterfuge was clever, but that's as a military leader, not a politician. The summarized end of this video makes this point with a Dany-Daario exchange: "You weren't made to sit on a chair in a palace.."
Do you think the Slaver's Bay arc relates to American Relations in the Middle East?
You obviously did not read the books. She created a living hell in Astapor. Her refusal to compromise damned tens of thousands of Innocents.
5:45 - Thank you!!! Some one finally calls out her single approach and lack of strategic foresight at many opportunities.
This teacher is pleased to see the Discourses and Art of War appear in this one.
Please now give Philosophy of The Leftlovers(HBO) a chance!!!!
Meanwhile, people are shitting on Sansa but she makes sure the basic needs of her people are met.
yes
Sansa has a balance between her dream of being queen and the needs of peoples.
When Daenerys comes at Westeros her only purpose is taking the ultimate power. She has no link with peoples of Westeros, and being a targaryan , coming with a horde of barbarians with bad reputations make not you popular.
She's a perfect example of a person that considers themselves morally superior to everyone else. They talk a lot of talk but at the end of the day its just about drawing attention to themselves, complements, and having control over other people.
If you think she sees herself that way read the books
It's a little bit different in the books. Daenerys manages to acquire the peace she wanted, but she is forced to compromise so much that decides to give it up and take what she wants by force again.
This is quite fascinating after last episode.
Yeah it's not that crazy of a turn this video goes to prove that she's always done it but season 8 presented her solution but told from the eyes of others. Combined with the genetic probabilities she would go crazy like the mad king, the lack people questioning her and the feeling of lonelyness made everything she did worthless in the mind of someone who been abused her whole childhood and told that she's only one thing. what really is the point when you achieve a success that you thought you wanted what's the point if you got what you wanted, you want more. This show has always been realistic and this just goes to show it. I very much enjoyed this ending and completely see why George r Martin agrees with it. She's not a great leader and didn't deserve it. She was too egotistical too in her head. It just goes to show that no one person should rule over so many people. It was shown that even still she wouldn't let anything but complete control over everything. She was fixated on breaking the wheel her way only, when did the show portray her as a person of compromise willing to work with what's she's given. Even if she spared the city what difference would it have made under her rule. But the wheel is to big and to complex to break without something to replace it with and idk if she knew what she was going to do after in the world where she spared them. That's why the only option to get what she wanted was fear. But once you sacrifice your morals for the thing she wanted it wasn't enough. But I do agree that the show maybe should have been more explicit in her thoughts, but then why would you try justifying nuking a whole city. Her character was flawed as were all the character. As we all are. That's the moral question the show leaves us with. Some characters realized their flaws and lived while others died to them. And jiamy choose his fate knowing his flaws but his love meant more. There's really a good video here for it on all of their flaws and the phycology of metacognition
Here after 8.05 to understand this madness.
This is crude I know, but Dany from season one (@ 11:30) in her dothraki riding get up was gorgeous! (Not that she isn't stunning in other seasons) Her complexion goes well with the hair as well. Sorry, but I felt like it had to be said.
Nice job! Beautifully done.
She couldn't even rule 1 city how can she rule 7 Kingdoms.
The old yell and burn. That was hilarious!
awsome conquerer, shitty ruler
:)
Just like our man alex!
What a bitch! Kim Jung of Game of Thrones
Only an awesome conqueror cause she has dragons, as well as men of experience aiding her. But she often acts like a teenager, which she is in the books, and she acts irrationally.
'You're gonna need a lot of people to die for you, and that's why I bring up Skillshare. Learn how to be a cult leader and get a high body count from the ghost of a true expert...'
Dany: * has no clue how to run a city and creates an abundance of problems because of her absolutism and hypocrisy then burns people *
Tyrion: * solves all of her mistakes/problems while completely wasted the entire time *
When did Tyrion solve all her problems?
Another very well written text. I wish I could do that too. Thanks for sharing!
This was awesome (as usual); please do some more philosophy of GoT characters!
She was perfectly comfortable with owning slaves... her switch was a choice of convenience. Daenerys received way too much credit.
Thank you! Someone finally called out her B.S.
She was clearly not comfortable owning slaves. Even in the show you can see how upset she is. She takes the slaves for herself to protect them, because she doesn't know what else to do. She doesn't want them as slaves, and repeatedly tries to treat them with respect
It doesn't matter. In the end the Game of Thrones is just a distraction. Soon winter will sweep across the land. Killing kings and peasants alike.
but danaerys has dragons and dragonglass so i feel like her and jon snow will team up, fucking murder those whitewalkers, and then have an alliance or whateva
donald cook We had long winters and catastrophys were everybody sad, that this is the end before.Still we are Alive.Mankind will SURVIVE!
donald cook because the first encounter she had with the night king ended so well
WORD
Picklgorl2003 when it’s 8 months later and Viserion is an ice dragon and everything fucking just rules
Wait.
You're saying she HAS one?
I thought she was just making it up as she went along!
Well that is the Targaryen way, and the Valyrian way, the Old Valyrian Nobles families used to burn down to the ground everything that stood in their way, for conquest or for gold. Having dragons create that mentality, believing themselves to be all powerful and that they could smash anyone that dare to question their power.
“That cruel asshole, Fortune.” Hahhahahaha i lmao.
Why does the everyone forget Queen of Rhyonar?
Jaylen Mcbride even the show forgot about that
Nobody talks about Dorne anymore. After the killing of Doran and Trystane.
Thelma Allistair I think Dorne should make a comeback. Dorne is very special. It was the only kingdom that successfully fought off Targaryan invaders, one of its greatest houses has the blood of Old Valyria and there are actual Rhoynar there. Seems like a proper place for shit to go down
Mande Peer unfortunately D&D only give a shit about Targs
Shes very similar to Alexander the not so great, a conqueror but not the ideal ruler
Intelligent people criticize themselves and think before talk...
Stupid, uneducated people ,are barking to others like dogs...
Philosophy of Tyrion Lannister. He's by far the best character in the series!
People only bow to her because she can walk through fire and has Dragons
After last night's episode, this is what the Dany fans seem to have forgotten.
I also think her problem is that she's traumatized by seeing leaders and rulers argue back and forth and nothing getting done.
Why do they call it "Old" Valyria? It's not like they built a new one.
"the good old yell and burn" LOL
I'm definitely rooting against Dany. I hope she won't end up on the throne.. I actually doubt it will happen.
Daenerys is better than you think
Yep she is annoying
she just wiggles her tits and people somehow submit. Makes no sense.
GameBros Ⓡ now she’s wiggling her dragons but that hasn’t gone as planned, which is wonderful
@@MegaTamer111 Yeah, you're making no sense by saying that.
everything you said went over my head. except the Wilhelm scream. that... i get.
Anybody watching this after game of thrones season 8 episode 5.... Makes sense just saying lol
Yes it's not that crazy of a turn this video goes to prove that she's always done it but season 8 presented her solution but told from the eyes of others. Combined with the genetic probabilities she would go crazy like the mad king, the lack people questioning her and the feeling of lonelyness made everything she did worthless in the mind of someone who been abused her whole childhood and told that she's only one thing. what really is the point when you achieve a success that you thought you wanted what's the point if you got what you wanted, you want more. This show has always been realistic and this just goes to show it. I very much enjoyed this ending and completely see why George r Martin agrees with it. She's not a great leader and didn't deserve it. She was too egotistical too in her head. It just goes to show that no one person should rule over so many people. It was shown that even still she wouldn't let anything but complete control over everything. She was fixated on breaking the wheel her way only, when did the show portray her as a person of compromise willing to work with what's she's given. Even if she spared the city what difference would it have made under her rule. But the wheel is to big and to complex to break without something to replace it with and idk if she knew what she was going to do after in the world where she spared them. That's why the only option to get what she wanted was fear. But once you sacrifice your morals for the thing she wanted it wasn't enough. But I do agree that the show maybe should have been more explicit in her thoughts, but then why would you try justifying nuking a whole city. Her character was flawed as were all the character. As we all are. That's the moral question the show leaves us with. Some characters realized their flaws and lived while others died to them. And jiamy choose his fate knowing his flaws but his love meant more. There's really a good video here for it on all of their flaws and the phycology of metacognition
Good to hear Machiavelli's 'Prince' in a GOT analysis. It is very appropriate. What kind of 'retirement planning' for the Dothraki who live by constant pillaging, like the Huns or Mongols, or the Unsullied who only live by war? What's to be done marauding dragons who roast people and animals whenever hungry. The dragon pit just wasted away the last dragons. These problems are sidelined until Dani get's the throne, unless she shares it with Jon. Hey, she could send them all back across the sea the liberate all the slaves!!!!! Like the National Debt, she could just 'shove the problem down the road' for a while.
Jared should sit on the Iron Throne
Remember the Machiavelli quote "it's better to be feared than to be loved?" Well, it's not good to be hated.
Do the "Philosophy of Freeza" please!
Dude, the Machiavelli of Westeros and Essos is Tywin Lannister. He's the textbook Machiavellian political character. Daenerys is the voice of those in the world of Planetos that don't have a voice. Her goal is change the system for the betterment of all, that what she wants her legacy to be. Tywin's goal was to obtain power for his family at the cost of many. Same goes for Littlefinger - sacrifice many for his own power and prominence. Varys echoes Daenerys for the overall good of the many. They all live in a world where the ends have to justify the means. Only one to brush this off is Ned Stark and even then, he succumbed to it. Tyrion is drawn to Daenerys because she sees a more just world, one that Tyrion deeply felt a calling toward due to his abuse from his father. Daenerys inspires hope. The other characters vying for the throne inspire fear Eg Cersei, Tywin, and in the case of Varys and Littlefinger, inspire fear as well as confusion and mystery.
It's amazing watching these old vids and seeing the evil and poor leadership of Daenerys again and again and again, because all the GoT fan girls are sooooo pissed that she turned out to be what everyone already saw coming.
Yup just got done arguing on here about it so I came to read more old comments at laugh.
And i still stan dany till this day 😌 so glad we got more of her ancestors in House of the Dragon
i feel like Dany and Tyrion make a good duo. As he said, Tyrion controls her worst impulses.
Also text-to-text: Genghis, Napoleon (both), Adolf, Mao, Donald; Griffith, Anakin.
As much as I enjoy Tyrion's more subtle approach, there is no middle ground with slavery.
Whose watching after she just obliterated a city?
I am this aged pretty good.
Oh the good old yell and burn, truly a classic