This omg. As a trans man, I hate the whole “trans women/men are just gay men/lesbians in denial!” argument because of how untrue it is 90% of the time. A lot of trans people I know were considered straight before transition. I also know a lot of trans folks on the bisexual spectrum, myself being one of them. It’s such nonsense.
If only she'd talked to some people outside of her echochamber. When I came out, my lesbian friends *all* reacted "Omg we can date [my name] now!", and have since been some of my best supporters
I'm an aroace trans woman and I hate that so many people (even in our own community) think that trans people transition due to sexual reasons. I have a really hard time understanding how she got to most of her opinions, they are definitely not good for her own mental health. Also, more content like this would be awesome! :D
As a trans man whos just barely starting to pass in public i know the dangers of being in the womens room. However because of a recent law in my state i legally have to be in there until my name and marker are changed legally. But if a cop assumes i have a vagina i can be arrested for using the mens. So its not a fun time. To help feel safer ill sometimes ask my fiance whos cis male to walk with me into the bathroom.
You would only get in trouble for using the men's room if someone complained about your presence in it - I.e. another user of the restroom. It's not common for cops to stand guard outside the entrance to restrooms.
I have to shave my beard daily in the morning and still have a shadow by 12pm. I don't pass at all. It's because people like her that I don't leave my house.
@@MySilentReticence Thank you so much! It's been a rough week stay at the hospital but getting home to a lot of support has been good. Thanks again. :)
@@Aashbard01not the op of the comment but queer is generally not considered a slur anymore, it's widely used and only really considered a slur when it's derogatory. anyone can say it as long as they're not using it as an insult or slur.
I sincerely think Kelly has some kind of deep underlying issues. A lot of her takes reek of either desperation for approval from GCs or just genuine self loathing. I dunno what's going on with her but I hope she gets help.
she’s released a tik tok where she basically said she’s desperate for the approval of people who hate her. she’s a hard core pick me and 100% needs some professional help. she’s got such a bad mentality
Kelly is saying very stupid things, she sounds like she hasn’t accepted that she’s a woman and not a man, especially after the “repeat after me, I am a man, it’s okay to say that, once you accept that’s your biological sex, you can feel happier” 6:19
I do not feel for Kelly Cadigan at all. If she's going to be this willing to choose to spout ignorant bullshit that has caused pain and harm towards people, then she shouldn't have a platform at all. Additionally: She's digging her own grave and lying down in it.
@berrysnowyboy5251. Woman here! Just stumbled on this site. I’m I understanding this conversation correctly; I should be okay with seeing a man with a beard in the women’s bathroom? I should ignore my instinct to turn around and get out of there! Or I’m perpetuating homophobia? I’ve been taught my whole life to be aware of men. I developed quite early so all my experiences has been about being aware of men.
She says that trans women who have beards shouldn't be allowed in the women's bathroom. To some extent, I agree. But sometimes it's the only option if there are no gender neutral bathrooms. It would be pretty unsafe to go into the women's bathroom with a beard, but it would also be dangerous to go into the men's room with a full face of makeup. So, what do you do? You probably go into the bathroom that matches your gender identity, because both options are unsafe. She also stands with people who say that we should go to the bathroom that correlates to our sex. So should I, as a trans man go into the women's bathroom? I pass pretty well and have made women uncomfortable when I go in. What about when I go on T one day and undeniably look like a man?
also, trans women are usually really sensitive about facial hair and try super hard to not make it look like they have a beard. she acts like every trans woman except her is some bearded muscly guy.
Why would a 'trans' person be unsafe in that scenario? If the 'wearing make-up' part would make him / her feel unsafe in a men's room, then the solution is obvious - just remove the make-up before entering the mens room. S/he can then reapply it once leaving it.
@@jakob1658 Maybe not. But if they are a biological male, they should use the men's restroom. If safety is a concern, they can bring a 'buddy' with them.
@@wylierichardson-tu6zs yeah, lets just never dare to have a biological necessity whilst existing in public unless we happen to have our anti-hate crime buddy guard with us smh just use the bathroom of whatever gender you think you most present as at the time. Any well passing trans femme is *not* gonna feel safe in a mens restroom and any trans man post T with a beard is rightfully not gonna feel right in the womens. There's literally been brutal mob assaults on trans men that listened to the demand they go into the womens restroom, after people saw it and went into an irrational rage. As for bearded transfemmes and androgynous nonbinaries, well that's where we need more gender neutral bathrooms around. But as long as the bathroom is gendered, the safest bet will always be that people go into the one they look like they most belong in and any demands otherwise social or legal is only ever going to endanger people.
The worst part of the Kelly opinions (i don’t know how to phrase it.) is that she is contradicting herself so so so badly, like I didn’t know one person could have so many conflicting opinions.
*So, she transitioned due to hate. And she thinks that's okay/normal? On one hand that's sad, but as the mother of a trans lesbian, it pisses me off to hear her say, essentially, "I'm valid, but y'all aren't!" What a piece of work! *Lynn, you're being WAY nicer about that brat than I would be! "I have the right to feel that way." Yeah, and other people have the right to feel how they do, as well! Sheesh! *Two of my 3 grown kids are trans. They are open-minded, caring humans and I'm so proud of them. I'd be so disappointed if any of my kids were A) so closed minded, B) spewing bigoted nonsense online! *For the love of all that is potentially holy, PLEASE do something wholesome next! Maybe react to some One Topic? (Pretty please?)
I'm literally 2:31 into this video. And I'm just... Dead. It can't get any worse, right? RIGHT?! **EDIT** Yeah, I have to be honest, after watching the whole thing, most of this is not good for my blood pressure. Her takes are just... Awful. Honestly, I don't think it helps that I'm non binary myself, and my partner is a trans girl. So, the stuff she says just pisses me off, more than anything else. I will never understand how you get things like conservative trans people, or black people that shout "blue lives matter" or women that are anti abortion or anything like that. These people are literally supporting things that are against their best interests and the best interests of those in their community. It's beyond wild, every time I see it.
It started with the wildest take I've ever heard, with absolutely no arguments to make the case ? And attacks on multiple groups of people without ay valid reason ?? I'm gonna come back to this video later, I need to cool down, but thank you so much for making this video!
Isn't the statement that "I transitioned because of internalized homophobia" actually internalized transphobia? It sounds like that to me. Please correct me if that's not right! I also like how we came full circle because when I think back to my childhood in the 2000s I always heard people say that gay men are girls and lesbian women are boys.. some real instructions unclear moment..
@@wylierichardson-tu6zs I'm from Eastern Europe which is always at least 1 or 2 decades behind everyone else. An example I can give is I heard a lesbian woman being talked about like "She can't just be around my daughter in a locker room, since she's lesbian therefore she's a boy." The same with gender non-conforming people, like people debating whether or not a girl who shaved her head is still a girl or not. All the things I can think of right now in English is how less masculine men would be called girls, debating whether or not being in a straight relationship with a trans person is gay, but I'm certain I saw English speaking people on the earlier internet using things like calling a gay man a girl as a derogatory term or calling less feminine lesbians things like "basically men if you think about it".
How can she say stuff like that!!! People like this drive me crazy!!!!!! Seriously, leave the trans people alone, let them be who they are without harrassing and hat criming them!!
Everything is a spectrum. Nothing really fits in our neat little boxes. And finding sic (which is scientific gender label to make us understand the spectrum of genders that exists) is stupid. As humans we like labels and boxes to help us understand things. But in the end life and human existence is much more complicated.
Yes, life is complicated. And labels often help make life easier to navigate. When I go to my local health club, labeling myself as a man guides me to know which locker room to pick, as they are also 'labeled'. There is one prominent example.
Valid point without "labels" modern society won't function you can also say writing is a labels for spoken words. Hell you can say words are labels for sounds are labels for things, feelings and concepts. Then you move into what is it to be human striped of all labels then?...
Then you would be a bipedal hominid that sees the world with pure emotion no "labels" only what you see feel hear and touch would be real. What you feel like inside would be what you are.
I don’t understand the hatred towards the word “cis.” It seems so transparent to me. I’m not transgender. The antonym of trans is cis. Therefore I’m cisgender. I don’t stop being a man when I identify as a cis man. I’m just saying that I’m not a trans man. Calling me cis is no more oppressive than calling me a man. All labels that I have were created by society. Nobody said I had to go through and approve each and every one. I probably have labels that I fit by definition that I don’t even know about. The first time I heard the term cis and its description, it was immediately obvious how useful it would be. I was also familiar with the prefixes because I knew about cislunar and translunar orbits from space exploration. I certainly wouldn’t insist on calling someone cis if they personally object to the term. Even if I think they’re being ridiculous. I certainly can’t comprehend how using inclusive language is somehow hostile.
I’m an asexual trans woman and I pass as a woman and what other people say and they can’t tell I’m trans and I have no surgery. Sorry if I sound up myself. My gender dysphoria is a killer and torture I spent a whole day in bed because of my gender dysphoria and sh myself and had attempts. I have a new perspective that gender dysphoria is a death sentence to some like myself. I need srs surgery and I went to see someone for advice and ask me about my sexuality and they advise on another surgery that could decrease dysphoria just because I’m asexual. I got so upset because it’s not what I want and I need srs surgery to feel complete. Unfortunately what I have experienced is it is about sexuality and people just don’t get it when someone say it’s not about sexuality, but to feel complete.
If she went into a space of trans people who aren't transmeds, like, most trans people, she would be told so many positive things like "girl you pass so well, no cis person is ever gonna guess that you're amab" "no matter your experience as a trans woman you're a woman! There's nothing wrong with caring a lot about passing, but you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself and we just want you to know that no matter what you do you're a woman and it's okay" "you deserve support no matter what kind of trans person you are, including the trans person you are right now" and if she believed it she'd probably be a happier person. Most spaces of trans people are so kind and supportive, I don't get why transmeds choose that side of the trans community. They could be so much less miserable if they were more accepting of themselves and others
Lynn, you are based like a turkey here. In spite of Kelly's actions, I can't bring myself to say that I dislike her. She has my empathy, too. However, she can be like a hot poker to the ear.
As a lesbienne (Français) myself, Kelly is 💯 correct about any males’ inability to be lesbiennes and those men invading lesbienne spaces. To Kelly’s detractors on that topic, cope and seethe harder. Kelly is a male ally to lesbiennes, and most lesbiennes worldwide recognize that type of allyship. Go off King Kelly 👸🏼👑💖
@@facthunt2facthunt245 sex is not defined by chromosomes. that’s the dumbed down version of “science” that we teach kids, your opinion has nothing to do with actual biology
_reads title_
The majority of trans women I know of are not straight. So they weren't gay before realising they are trans either..
This is so much worse than I expected, holy bus..
Here’s another fact: trans people date other trans people. T4T all around! :3 🏳️⚧️
This omg. As a trans man, I hate the whole “trans women/men are just gay men/lesbians in denial!” argument because of how untrue it is 90% of the time. A lot of trans people I know were considered straight before transition. I also know a lot of trans folks on the bisexual spectrum, myself being one of them. It’s such nonsense.
If only she'd talked to some people outside of her echochamber.
When I came out, my lesbian friends *all* reacted "Omg we can date [my name] now!", and have since been some of my best supporters
I'm an aroace trans woman and I hate that so many people (even in our own community) think that trans people transition due to sexual reasons. I have a really hard time understanding how she got to most of her opinions, they are definitely not good for her own mental health.
Also, more content like this would be awesome! :D
did they really said: "i transitioned, because i am effeminate gay man"?
because it sound like either trans denial or literal internalized homophobia, or maybe even internalized queerphobia and enbyphobia
yep. her internalised transphobia is absolutely bonkers.
Yeah she really said that 😭
As a trans man whos just barely starting to pass in public i know the dangers of being in the womens room. However because of a recent law in my state i legally have to be in there until my name and marker are changed legally. But if a cop assumes i have a vagina i can be arrested for using the mens. So its not a fun time.
To help feel safer ill sometimes ask my fiance whos cis male to walk with me into the bathroom.
You would only get in trouble for using the men's room if someone complained about your presence in it - I.e. another user of the restroom. It's not common for cops to stand guard outside the entrance to restrooms.
she sounds like she's just spewing 4chan /lgbt/ brainrot when she brings up AGP and HSTS atp.
Honestly, it's the most transphobic rant I've heard. Somehow I feel like openly genocidal pricks are less transphobic
I mean, if she wanted to talk about Accelerated Graphics Port and HTTP Strict Transport Security, that would be a different matter...
I have to shave my beard daily in the morning and still have a shadow by 12pm. I don't pass at all. It's because people like her that I don't leave my house.
I know the feeling
I'm so sorry
@@leerobinson3786I'm so sorry
Well I still think you're beautiful
@@MySilentReticence Thank you so much! It's been a rough week stay at the hospital but getting home to a lot of support has been good. Thanks again. :)
As a transgender mtf, I'm offended by that 'woman'.
I'm infuriated by her words for that exact reason, I despise people like this!
I will always stand at your side because I've known about the LGBTQ community for 3 years an learned a lot. I respect people like you guys!! ☺️💕
Also, is the word queer a slur to the LGBTQ community when used by people who aren't a part of it?
@@Aashbard01not the op of the comment but queer is generally not considered a slur anymore, it's widely used and only really considered a slur when it's derogatory. anyone can say it as long as they're not using it as an insult or slur.
@@prageruwu69 Thank you for clarifying that
I sincerely think Kelly has some kind of deep underlying issues. A lot of her takes reek of either desperation for approval from GCs or just genuine self loathing. I dunno what's going on with her but I hope she gets help.
she’s released a tik tok where she basically said she’s desperate for the approval of people who hate her.
she’s a hard core pick me and 100% needs some professional help. she’s got such a bad mentality
Yep I agree. Gender identity notwithstanding, I think it all stems from insecurity and lack of self esteem.
Kelly is saying very stupid things, she sounds like she hasn’t accepted that she’s a woman and not a man, especially after the “repeat after me, I am a man, it’s okay to say that, once you accept that’s your biological sex, you can feel happier” 6:19
She's just another Blair White
@@facthunt2facthunt245nah, she's way worse than blaire.
She really needs therapy for that internalized xenophobia
I do not feel for Kelly Cadigan at all. If she's going to be this willing to choose to spout ignorant bullshit that has caused pain and harm towards people, then she shouldn't have a platform at all.
Additionally: She's digging her own grave and lying down in it.
And I'm saying this as a trans man of his own genders.
@berrysnowyboy5251. Woman here! Just stumbled on this site. I’m I understanding this conversation correctly; I should be okay with seeing a man with a beard in the women’s bathroom?
I should ignore my instinct to turn around and get out of there! Or I’m perpetuating homophobia? I’ve been taught my whole life to be aware of men. I developed quite early so all my experiences has been about being aware of men.
She says that trans women who have beards shouldn't be allowed in the women's bathroom.
To some extent, I agree. But sometimes it's the only option if there are no gender neutral bathrooms. It would be pretty unsafe to go into the women's bathroom with a beard, but it would also be dangerous to go into the men's room with a full face of makeup. So, what do you do? You probably go into the bathroom that matches your gender identity, because both options are unsafe.
She also stands with people who say that we should go to the bathroom that correlates to our sex. So should I, as a trans man go into the women's bathroom? I pass pretty well and have made women uncomfortable when I go in. What about when I go on T one day and undeniably look like a man?
also, trans women are usually really sensitive about facial hair and try super hard to not make it look like they have a beard. she acts like every trans woman except her is some bearded muscly guy.
Why would a 'trans' person be unsafe in that scenario? If the 'wearing make-up' part would make him / her feel unsafe in a men's room, then the solution is obvious - just remove the make-up before entering the mens room. S/he can then reapply it once leaving it.
@@wylierichardson-tu6zswhat? How easy do you think make up is removable und renewable?
@@jakob1658 Maybe not. But if they are a biological male, they should use the men's restroom. If safety is a concern, they can bring a 'buddy' with them.
@@wylierichardson-tu6zs yeah, lets just never dare to have a biological necessity whilst existing in public unless we happen to have our anti-hate crime buddy guard with us smh
just use the bathroom of whatever gender you think you most present as at the time. Any well passing trans femme is *not* gonna feel safe in a mens restroom and any trans man post T with a beard is rightfully not gonna feel right in the womens. There's literally been brutal mob assaults on trans men that listened to the demand they go into the womens restroom, after people saw it and went into an irrational rage.
As for bearded transfemmes and androgynous nonbinaries, well that's where we need more gender neutral bathrooms around. But as long as the bathroom is gendered, the safest bet will always be that people go into the one they look like they most belong in and any demands otherwise social or legal is only ever going to endanger people.
As a trans woman who's been homeless since January and is only 5 months into HRT, this video hits hard!
Her incoherent rant was so crazy. I'm not even mad, I'm just... wow
Oh wow. That first rant was just mental. It's somehow much worse than anything I can expect from the likes of rowlings, walshes and shapiros
The worst part of the Kelly opinions (i don’t know how to phrase it.) is that she is contradicting herself so so so badly, like I didn’t know one person could have so many conflicting opinions.
*So, she transitioned due to hate. And she thinks that's okay/normal? On one hand that's sad, but as the mother of a trans lesbian, it pisses me off to hear her say, essentially, "I'm valid, but y'all aren't!" What a piece of work!
*Lynn, you're being WAY nicer about that brat than I would be!
"I have the right to feel that way." Yeah, and other people have the right to feel how they do, as well! Sheesh!
*Two of my 3 grown kids are trans. They are open-minded, caring humans and I'm so proud of them. I'd be so disappointed if any of my kids were A) so closed minded, B) spewing bigoted nonsense online!
*For the love of all that is potentially holy, PLEASE do something wholesome next! Maybe react to some One Topic? (Pretty please?)
This comment made my day, thanks!
This comment made my day
I'm literally 2:31 into this video. And I'm just... Dead. It can't get any worse, right? RIGHT?!
**EDIT**
Yeah, I have to be honest, after watching the whole thing, most of this is not good for my blood pressure. Her takes are just... Awful.
Honestly, I don't think it helps that I'm non binary myself, and my partner is a trans girl. So, the stuff she says just pisses me off, more than anything else.
I will never understand how you get things like conservative trans people, or black people that shout "blue lives matter" or women that are anti abortion or anything like that. These people are literally supporting things that are against their best interests and the best interests of those in their community. It's beyond wild, every time I see it.
she must be sniffing paint
Kelly is absolutely vile
Yes... she is very very "ignorant"
It started with the wildest take I've ever heard, with absolutely no arguments to make the case ? And attacks on multiple groups of people without ay valid reason ??
I'm gonna come back to this video later, I need to cool down, but thank you so much for making this video!
It's great you are here to bring a rational point of view and explain things with patience like this. Thank you!
Loving the hair Lynn
The ones that are helping the leopards aren't safe from the leopards. The leopard will still eat their face.
NO THEY'RE NOT!🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Isn't the statement that "I transitioned because of internalized homophobia" actually internalized transphobia? It sounds like that to me. Please correct me if that's not right!
I also like how we came full circle because when I think back to my childhood in the 2000s I always heard people say that gay men are girls and lesbian women are boys.. some real instructions unclear moment..
Im curious as to where you grew up. I go back longer than you do, and I never heard that kind of rhetoric.
@@wylierichardson-tu6zs I'm from Eastern Europe which is always at least 1 or 2 decades behind everyone else. An example I can give is I heard a lesbian woman being talked about like "She can't just be around my daughter in a locker room, since she's lesbian therefore she's a boy." The same with gender non-conforming people, like people debating whether or not a girl who shaved her head is still a girl or not.
All the things I can think of right now in English is how less masculine men would be called girls, debating whether or not being in a straight relationship with a trans person is gay, but I'm certain I saw English speaking people on the earlier internet using things like calling a gay man a girl as a derogatory term or calling less feminine lesbians things like "basically men if you think about it".
I'm playing the smallest violin for Kelly Cadigan right now. WHY CAN'T WE LET TRANS PEOPLE BE????? SHEESH!!!!!
I just had an ad for transgender healthcare and I didn't even realize it was an ad I thought you were sharing some video to talk about.
So much bad information spoken SO CONFIDENTLY! >:( thanks for tackling this :/
How can she say stuff like that!!!
People like this drive me crazy!!!!!!
Seriously, leave the trans people alone, let them be who they are without harrassing and hat criming them!!
As a cis lesbian, it's always straight women in our business lmao. Like who is she speaking for?
Everything is a spectrum. Nothing really fits in our neat little boxes. And finding sic (which is scientific gender label to make us understand the spectrum of genders that exists) is stupid. As humans we like labels and boxes to help us understand things. But in the end life and human existence is much more complicated.
Yes, life is complicated. And labels often help make life easier to navigate. When I go to my local health club, labeling myself as a man guides me to know which locker room to pick, as they are also 'labeled'. There is one prominent example.
Valid point without "labels" modern society won't function you can also say writing is a labels for spoken words. Hell you can say words are labels for sounds are labels for things, feelings and concepts. Then you move into what is it to be human striped of all labels then?...
Then you would be a bipedal hominid that sees the world with pure emotion no "labels" only what you see feel hear and touch would be real. What you feel like inside would be what you are.
Watching Kelly's vids is just painful. I think you did an excellent job unpacking those issues.
I don’t understand the hatred towards the word “cis.” It seems so transparent to me. I’m not transgender. The antonym of trans is cis. Therefore I’m cisgender. I don’t stop being a man when I identify as a cis man. I’m just saying that I’m not a trans man.
Calling me cis is no more oppressive than calling me a man. All labels that I have were created by society. Nobody said I had to go through and approve each and every one. I probably have labels that I fit by definition that I don’t even know about.
The first time I heard the term cis and its description, it was immediately obvious how useful it would be. I was also familiar with the prefixes because I knew about cislunar and translunar orbits from space exploration.
I certainly wouldn’t insist on calling someone cis if they personally object to the term. Even if I think they’re being ridiculous. I certainly can’t comprehend how using inclusive language is somehow hostile.
I’m an asexual trans woman and I pass as a woman and what other people say and they can’t tell I’m trans and I have no surgery. Sorry if I sound up myself. My gender dysphoria is a killer and torture I spent a whole day in bed because of my gender dysphoria and sh myself and had attempts. I have a new perspective that gender dysphoria is a death sentence to some like myself. I need srs surgery and I went to see someone for advice and ask me about my sexuality and they advise on another surgery that could decrease dysphoria just because I’m asexual. I got so upset because it’s not what I want and I need srs surgery to feel complete. Unfortunately what I have experienced is it is about sexuality and people just don’t get it when someone say it’s not about sexuality, but to feel complete.
If she went into a space of trans people who aren't transmeds, like, most trans people, she would be told so many positive things like "girl you pass so well, no cis person is ever gonna guess that you're amab" "no matter your experience as a trans woman you're a woman! There's nothing wrong with caring a lot about passing, but you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself and we just want you to know that no matter what you do you're a woman and it's okay" "you deserve support no matter what kind of trans person you are, including the trans person you are right now" and if she believed it she'd probably be a happier person. Most spaces of trans people are so kind and supportive, I don't get why transmeds choose that side of the trans community. They could be so much less miserable if they were more accepting of themselves and others
Didn't she do all this last year, including burning the community flag and trying to crawl back to us after realizing the right hates her guts?
Lynn, you are based like a turkey here. In spite of Kelly's actions, I can't bring myself to say that I dislike her. She has my empathy, too. However, she can be like a hot poker to the ear.
Temporarily unavailable LOL Kelly is so sexy and true. Truth hurts
probably the worst pickme of all time
I want to challenge you on a debate
Awwww your cat is cute 🥹😍
HEY YOU DROPPED A PIN 📌?
i think everyone even other lgbt folks called her out maybe its ragebait.even im like do u think
I think she’s right. I believe they are gay men. Many was active homosexual before transitioning. How I know? They have said it themselves.
🤯
As a lesbienne (Français) myself, Kelly is 💯 correct about any males’ inability to be lesbiennes and those men invading lesbienne spaces. To Kelly’s detractors on that topic, cope and seethe harder. Kelly is a male ally to lesbiennes, and most lesbiennes worldwide recognize that type of allyship. Go off King Kelly 👸🏼👑💖
Scientifically speaking she is right .
But socially and morally she has to resoect othes experiences .
no, she’s not right “scientifically speaking”
She/he has XY chromosomes. XY chromosomes equals male.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 sex is not defined by chromosomes. that’s the dumbed down version of “science” that we teach kids, your opinion has nothing to do with actual biology
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No, she’s not scientifically right at all. “Autogynophelia” is a debunked pseudoscientific term
I actually AGREE with EVERYTHING she.. He..she/ He/it..sheit..has to say.