Hurricane Carter Documentary - Fury & Fiction
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- NOTE: I have Bell's Palsy right now and couldn't complete the entire narration. I managed to do about 2/3rds of the video but you will hear a different voice for the last third.
Thank you for another great documentary, Rich!
Sure thing, bareknuckles2u
@@RichtheFightHistorianrich have you heard of Burt young(Paulie from rocky) I’ve seen around social media he used to be a boxer but haven’t been able to see any proof of this narrative. I was wondering if you have ever come across anything on him during your studies.
@@notseanlopez Yeah, another viewer to the channel asked me this and there is no evidence that he was a professional fighter. Not inconceivable that he boxed in the military but as a pro, no.
@@RichtheFightHistorian thank you sir love you videos btw
@@RichtheFightHistorian Is that the boxer on wich the movie Hurricane with Denzel Washington impersonating him was baced on ?
That Benton vs Carter fight had to be top 5 Middleweight fight material in my book. Did not know Benton or Carter could throw some Leather like that. Amazing video Rich, excellent display of journalistic integrity 👏 👍.
Thank you, alpha trooper.
@@RichtheFightHistorian a random question, no disrespect, did a brother voice the third? I didn't see the community post until after the video and honestly thought you just changed mics. He sounds just like you!
Bell's Palsy has aflicted two members of my family, I wish you God speed and strength in your struggle.
Thanks, Bryan, Definitely no fun.
The Hurricane was my favorite fighter back in the early 1960s, with his overall look, blinding speed and power. Thanks for filling in the blanks for me Rich. Again, you’re the best at what you do.
Thanks so much, uncjim.
Superbly put together Rich.
An amazing life story.
Cheers 👊
Hey thanks, Mr T.
Made my day to see Ruben as a subject of your next doco!!☺️👍
THE HANDSOME HURRICANE
This was another truly great story. I didn’t know he went back to prison. Only the Lord knows the truth, it’s best left at that. Thank you for another great video and all the footage was amazing. ❤️👍🐜
Sure thing, soprano4ny.
Great video! Makes me think he may be guilty. I love the Dylan line in Hurricane about Bello, " I didn't do it as he throws up his hands, I was only robbing the register, I hope you understand." 🤣
Thanks, tsb7911.
Thanks for the amazing video Rich
Sure thing, John.
Man, Carter was a hell o a fighter. Those combinations and defensive slips 💯
Yup. Complete fighter.
Carter was a heck of a puncher who could have won a world title had he been more focused on boxing than criminal pursuits. As a person he was a dangerous psychopath who murdered those people. It's disturbing to see so many fooled by the work of fiction he created.
So, did you see him do it?
people are blinded by stuff like the Dylan song, I was too until I dug deeper...he was there, and when he came out he was a bitter unrepentant man...no hero outside the ring, a could have been inside the ring...
@@johnspaulding1681 Most people would rather hear the fictional story than the truth. I give you credit for digging deeper into the story.
@@hjjjjk8399no but his partner did
He was actually cheated out of the welterweight title before he was accused of murder.
I was waiting for this one.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I hope you make a full recovery rich. Best boxing documentary channel.
Hey thanks, Mr Xavier.
I dont know how you put out so much good content on a regukar. The amount of research and editing that goes into this must be crazy.
Thanks for this Rich. I saw all of his fights that were on TV when I was a teenager.
I remember that Gil Clancy the trainer of the great Emile Griffith said Emile listened to Rocky Graziano who told Emile he could knock out Carter. There is good book from the 1990’s by NYT’s reporter Dave Anderson In
The Corner, interviews with guys who were still active when he wrote the book, not to be confused with the book by Ronald Fried, Corner Men, where the quotes Clancy saying Rocky convinced Emile to try and knock him out. Clancy really did a great job of protecting Emile so who knows if it’s true
Hope you are feeling better.
Ive been waiting impatiently for this one & didnt even kno it !!! Thnx rich . I’ve read the book 21/2 times. Saw the movie once, not even close to as good as the book but at least accurate. Dan Hedaya was so good & true to the character in the book i still hate him when i see “ cheers reruns” ! Lolol
Great video coverage Rich 💯 Get well soon. You're in my prayers 🤲
Thank you, Samuel.
This short documentary was better than the film with Denzel Washington 🙂 - thanks Rich!
Like Michael Franzese said about AMERICAN GANGSTER, "Hollywood doesn't provide facts. It provide entertainment".
90 percent of that film is boring white people sitting around talking. I have never understood it's appeal.
Ur a fool if u really believe tht
Hey thanks, Mehdi.
Bald Rubin Carter looked menacing in the ring.
Carter was a great fighter there’s no doubt about it, to bully George Benton around the ring you have to be special….To knockout Fernandez in the 1st round you have to be special….Fernandez was an incredible puncher, trained by Angelo Dundee…He fought in the early 60s when the sports’s popularity was still high but had lost a significant amount of its steam since the Golden Age of the 1950s….Gone were the amazing Wednesday and Friday Night Fights, with amazing headliners like Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Sugar Ray Robinson, Harold Johnson, Patterson vs Johansson…Moore vs Durrelle and on and on…By the end of the decade, the demand outlived the supply….great fighters got old and shopworn…whilst bright prospects were also overmatched and hurt badly early in their careers in order to fill televised fight cards
THAT’S MY FIGHTER
Hi Thedon.
get well soon rich- we appreciate and respect you enormously you know.
Thanks so much, serenityinside.
Carter was a despicable human being whether he was actually a top tier fighter or not.
You’re a despicable human being supporting a corrupt system. You’re obviously a blind person, and Rubin was not a victim. He said Racism doesn’t exist.
I hope you will be ok buddy. Sorry to hear
Thanks, Brian.
Rest In Peace The Hurricane Rubin Carter
He was a murderer.
I doubt like hell he's in peace.
@@louduva9849
YYYYYYYep.
@@louduva9849HE IS MY HERO. :))
Another great one , thanx Rich
Sure thing, Franco.
You also need discipline if you want to be good, talent will only get you so far
Carter was a talented and hard hitting boxer but from I I've read about him he seemed like an extremely bad and cold hearted person.
Actually no, well, in his younger days he was mean. But the older Rubin fought for justice and post prison he was a humanitarian. He changed his ways. He wasn’t bitter.
Seemed like his ego might of been his worst enemy , as far back as the Emil Griffith fight.
There's a funny story trainer Mickey Duff tells about Carter. He was picking him up at the airport in Heathrow and Carter asked him to carry his bag. When they got to the hotel, Carter took the bag back, and began unloading items in his hotel room onto the bed. Among the items was a gun.
Mick: "You brought a gun through the airport?"
Carter: "Technically *you* brought a gun through the airport."
Nice.
Congratulations Rich on 70k subscribers❤🥊
Thanks! We're getting there.
In my eyes, Joey sueing Carter was just as babyish a move as the movie makers making Joey look like a total bum against Hurricane when Joey was a vet
The only way to refute the lie that Carter actually won was to sue the liars in court . The court decided fairly , and ruled against the liars . The movie was another example of lie ,lie upon lie . The evidence shows that Carter was indeed guilty as charged. Carter was a fair boxer and a good puncher , but not great in anyway. As a human being he was a sociopath with all the lack of empathy and remorse of that evil breed . He also possessed the persuasiveness of those people to make others believe their lies.
Giardello didn't sue Carter. He sued the makers of the movie
Rubin "Hurricane" Carter
# PRO record: 27-12-1, KO's 19.
# Title challanger for the Undisputed Middleweight Championship of the World: 1964 (UD loss to Joey Giardello).
# Was in 1964 the 2# ranked Middleweight contender in the world.
# Defeated 2 recognized world champions: Emile Griffith & Jimmy Ellis + Top contenders like: Gomeo Brennan, Holley Mims, Florentino Fernández, Harry Scott,
Wilbert McClure etc.
# Lost to ¤ recognized world champions: Joey Giardello, Luis Manuel Rodríguez x2, Dick Tiger, + Top contenders; Joey Archer, Harry Scott etc.
# Out of 12 losses - Carter was only stopped once from going the distance. A 6th round TKO loss to contender Jose Gonzalez in 1963 (suffered a bad cut over the right eye).
Sounds right to me.
Thanks Rich.
Sure thing, Christopher.
Trouble seemed to always follow Hurricane Carter. He was a bad apple that always masterfully used the race card.
most people never change, Ron Lyle started out as a felon and I think he was in similar trouble later on in life but got off somehow. Ruben tried to paint himself as some sort of Buddha figure but that's not what Ive heard.
He reminds me of James Scott.
YYYYYYYep.
Retards
@@whitehurstcomici was thinking of scott too & wondering Bout the timeline. If they were in together or if scott came later
Cheers rich, great video man!
Thanks, Patrick.
Thanks for this documentary Rich
Always a pleasure, Daniel.
My sister-in-law's father was meant to spar Rubin Carter when he came to South Africa to fight Joe N'gidi. He says Carter had 7/8 different sparring partners the rate at which he was destroying them.
I have photos of that bout
More great stuff, Rich! A very even handed recounting of Carter’s history in and out of the ring.
And it’s an interesting reminder that Carter was freed because it was determined that he had not received a fair trial…not because he’d been found innocent. An important distinction.
Thank you, Mark. And yes, he was never exonerated.
Very informative documentary! 👍
Thanks, Barry.
Great post. Thanks
Sure thing, Andy.
Thanks for the video, RICH THE FIGHT HISTORIAN
I had always thought Hurricane Carter was railroaded. But, after seeing this documentary I’m not so sure..
I wish we would have been what have maintained FOCUS kept a low profile and humble. The sky was the limit
Great find Rich ! cheers buddy.
Thanks, Kim.
You mean Hurricane wasn’t a Saint? That’s the narrative I’ve been hearing forever.
He wasn’t a saint, nobody ever said he was a good guy, not even himself. He just wasn’t a murderer, to be blunt, get your facts straight.
@@THEDONSTR8Fightah76 The facts are confusing and I never said he was a murderer. Read my post again. He may or not have killed those guys. There is evidence to support both sides.
He murdered 3 working class people having drinks in Paterson because they were white. No, he was an evil and stupid person.
After watching this I think it’s possible he could have been guilty, nuts! Another great video
Thanks, Chris.
The prosecutions star witness were two guys who were busy committing crimes themselves, who later retracted their statements marvellous justice 🤔
Hey Rich awesome awesome thank you hurricane is a beast now how would he do against Marvin Hagler you think let me know what you think
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I've seen and read about everything there is about Carter's triple murder case and can only make one conclusion: Guilty as hell! Although it maybe hard to prove, everything points to him. No innocent person will lie as much as he did about everything.
"hard to prove, everything points to him"
I mean if it everything really did point at him then it wouldn't be so hard to prove now would it?
@@lao-grotten1101 Well it's not on tape, no one saw him do it. So he denies it.
Interestingly, Ron Lipton, a supporter of Carter still seems to believe in Carter's innocence even though they had a falling out. I just think he's a conman.
I think so too.
And remember
6 oz gloves in this era
Rich is the Michael Jordan of boxing documentarians.
Is that Arthur Mercante as referee in the Benson fight 1963, I wrote this right before decision funny, interesting, wonder if mafia was involved in any of the losses?
you should do one on Willie Pep
Totally unlike the film,we seek the truth 🙈🙉🙊🇬🇧
Cater was from my hometown of Paterson nj.i know the story well he got a bad deal great boxer he was but they stole his life thanks rich
Sure thing, petie.
@@RichtheFightHistorian 🥊💯🥊🫡
Excellent video, Ruben Carter was a complex character as many fighters are but for all his failings it’s clear he and John Artis didn’t receive a fair trial and were wrongly convicted
They were convicted twice by two separate juries. They got let out on a technicality. Most likely, they committed this heinous crime. Not good people.
@@vitalyjohnson3514you know nothing about Rubin Carter buddy.
Can you make a video of willie birdlegs jenson he is on his 70’s and is still a boxing coach at wildcard boxing gym he was my first trainer
I'll have to see how much I have on him, he was one of the few American flyweights in the early 80s, IIRC.
Didn’t Denzel portray this guy….i know I’m not tripping
Is that the benton that developed the philly shell rich ? I saw it in one of yer vids but i cant remember if he did or smone taught it to him ?
He's considered the originator of it but one of my FB friends Luis Monda correctly states that the name "Philly Shell" originated in the Fight Night video game.
@@RichtheFightHistorian WOW ! 🤯🤯
I wish this murder investigation was more thorough. Anyone have any updated info on this? His mistake, supporting Ali, lot of people probably didn’t like this
Get the book.... Media Meddlers: The Real Truth about the Murder Case Against Rubin "Hurricane" Carter.
A persons race, the media and support from famous and influential people should not dictate a persons guilt.
What are the odds of someone getting stopped near the scene of mass shooting, and having .12 Gauge buckshot shell, and a .32 calibre pistol bullet on the floor of the car , And those were the same cartridges used in the shooting.
What are the odds ?
I grew up hearing nothing except just another case of legal prejudice and injustice , sure don’t feel that way anymore.
Rubin Hurricane Carter wasn’t a “cold blooded murderer”
Not to me.
Rubin just had more courage than other black folks of his time to be outspoken against a system of crooked cops that has degraded and oppressed his people for decades prior to the Carter-Artis case.
Rubin was a mean guy, and he admitted that. The reason I love The Hurricane is because I knew in my heart from the start, I knew Rubin couldn’t have done it. There was not enough evidence to convict Rubin Carter, and The Hurricane dominated Joey Giardello, but failed to knock him out…. Joey wasn’t the aggressor in that fight. And sueing Carter wasn’t a tough move either. Regardless of what happened in that fight 40 years earlier.
I watched the whole video, and the ending of this video was not very impressive to me because a man like Carter should be applauded and recognized for who he truly was.
He was a man who, though torn apart by the system, refused to be a victim. In fact, he didn’t even believe in racism. He didn’t believe any man was any less or more than he was. Black, blue, white or purple.
RUBIN CARTER IS MY HERO. And should be a hero to any other fighter.
He was convicted two different times for those murders.
I won't go into legal issues and I won't go into his fighting skills but it's disgusting to hear someone being a sportsman and saying words like : " .. like a woman who deep down wants to be raped. " - that's just worth of contempt and nothing to do with race
Carter was probably guilty.
He was a mean guy, but not a murderer.
So was he innocent or was it an unfair trial? I have known about Carter being an avid boxing fan, they made it out be like he was wrongfully imprisoned because he DIDNT commit the crime. I heard nothing in this documentary that a. makes me feel like he was innocent and b. makes me feel sorry for him. He came from a decent family and chose to be a thug. I had also heard that his career was on the downslide unlike the things I had read. Like he was robbed of being a Champion. No he robbed HIMSELF from being a champion. Good one Rich! I hope you are ok
Thanks, Brian.
And were back 😁fight time , out of all people Steven segal has shown me something I can use idk if he's a fake martial artist or not the technique with the elbow 👌i saw him training with Alex pereira it's deadly i could break necks with that one move so much power is generated, he's an interesting guy.
After I get this goddamn hernia fixed extremely painful, ive heard of hurricane carter way before my time so he must have been a good fighter.
That's a statement you wouldn't forget lol talk like a champ and fight like a woman, the rest i can't say lol
Yeah, Carter used all forms of intimidation.
@RichtheFightHistorian followed through on it too by the sounds of it lol gotta do what you gotta do i guess .
My brother said I'm getting a g wagon i said OK wtf is one of them and then i saw it 🤦♂️ no you ain't bro i ain't being mistaken for being in that ugly fkn thing and it's expensive lol I'm not a car guy some i like but fk me that thing is ugly not happening bro nope
Carter was a glorified club fighter spun into a legend through a Bob Dylan song and a terrible movie. He should not have served all those years in prison, but he wasn't going anywhere as a fighter and we need to stop pretending he was a Saint because he was once depicted by Denzel Washington.
Who said he was a saint?
Gloried club fighters don't beat hall of famers champions and world ranked guys like Carter did
You obviously have no idea about boxing if you are calling him a bar fighter. The guy had skills.
That was not an insightful post. I’ve never heard or read anyone depicting Carter as a saint. He wasn’t, but he clearly was a strong, resilient person who did some great things in his later life. Further, while he absolutely was not an all time great, he most certainly was not a “glorified club fighter”. He beat Emile Griffith while Griffith held titles at both Light Middle & Welter, Jimmy Ellis, George Benton and others. He rose to #3 in the world before earning a world title shot. He was outclassed against Giardello while fighting for the title and clearly lost the fight. Nevertheless, he earned the opportunity. Not exactly the resume of a club fighter, glorified or otherwise.
You been drinking?
great figther who was immortalized in Bob Dylan's music
Yea new trial. They took his career away
Still have to watch the movie on him. Didn't Sugar Ray Robinson duck him?
Ray was old by the 60's, I don't think it'd be fair to say he was ducking anyone, he wasn't a great at the time.
My fault, mixed him up with Charles Burley since he was in the Murderers Row and Carter was locked up for an alleged murder. That's just how my brain works sometimes. Associating words.
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Nonsense
More excellent content from 1 of my favorite channels. Thanks rich. You should try to get a hold of 1 round with George. Follow his channel
Thanks, Matthew. I'll look that channel up.
Don't like Rueban😢