I think Sin peaked in Legion. AoE was hard but I was ok with spreading dots because poison bomb procs (with stacked mastery) were fun and played well you could keep up on dps. Problem was higher keys when you really need to lock down dangerous mobs. It is hard to do that while spreading your dots in initial window of pull. But now the rotation is too cluttered and badly needs to be cleaned up. To me it is unplayable.
Hello, can you tell me which WeakAura you are using, please? I'm looking for one that shows a casting bar like yours. I mean, I prefer to see the fade of my Slice and Dice this way, for example, instead of looking at a timer on an icon.
I Cannot play Rogue longer. I'm now lvl 74 and its horrible. When the tank pull the whole dungeon i'm overwhelmed to put bleeding to all mobs, they're falling faster than i feel usefull....
Gosh yeah it’s so difficult to do your full rotation and feel useful while leveling in TWW. I’m sure it’ll get better if you get your 80 and start doing mythics/raiding when mobs don’t just fall over and the tank is pulling the right amount of mobs. I would definitely play whatever you enjoy though and if that isn’t rogue, definitely don’t do it. Do whatever makes it the most fun for you 😁
Deathstalker is so clearly ahead of Fatebound in m+ it's not even funny. It's so much stronger either DS needs to be nerfed or FB needs to be buffed. The reason why it's so much stronger is because Ass rogue is one of the best funnel classes in the game so while you're focusing down your primary target you're doing more damage in aoe and the more damage you're doing in aoe the more damage you're doing to your primary target making it a feedback loop that absolutely slaps in m+ packs. It also has the benefit of being a bosskiller spec. So if you plan on playing rogue I'd recommend you learn how DS function in m+ because right now it is the best option of the two by far
For me assassination is by far the worst designed spec for m+. (if you ignore augvoger that is) To do any damage you need to enter every combat from stealth. Then when you start combat from stealth you have 6 seconds to spread your Garrote and Rupture on as many targets as possible. This completely disqualifies Deathstalker hero tree as valid choice for m+. Also tank is prevented from doing any kind of chain pools. Whenever there is a situation where new enemies appear in a fight you cannot compete on damage with other classes, you simply cannot spread bleeds efficiently. It makes zero sense how they designed whole spec around attacking from stealth, without any tool to enter stealth in combat, other than 2min. cd Vanish. It is insane how the whole spec for AOE is designed around Indiscriminate Carnage.... After class tree changes Echoing Reprimand is used in every situation, it only adds another layer of frustration where you are gambling to get specific number of combo points. I know that assassination is maintenance spec, but they overdid it in my opinion. It is interesting to see that there are still some people who enjoy it.
I main assination and you summed it up perfectly my friend, it has to be one of the stupidest designed specs in the game for mythic plus. And they keep trying to paper over the cracks with % damage increases whilst not addressing the fundamental issue with indiscriminate carnage being the only way to aoe. Who ever designed death stalker needs to lose there job, we have 6 seconds to do any aoe now we need to fit in a ambush in there too!? Who the hell designed this? Just make it the first target we garrote in combat simple! It's like the rogue designer does not play rogue at all or they don't have one and some retard on work experience is designing the spec.
assassination is horseshit indeed for m+, but saying that you need stealth to do damage is also untrue. yes it makes it easier, but honestly nothing can survive the vanish deathmark kingsbane anyway so you can freely just use vanish to spread dots. if your only way to do any meaningful damage is forcing stealthed pulls then you're playing assassination wrong or you're prioritising the wrong numbers to see.
The problem with assination is the fundamental issue with all our damage coming from stealth, if we cant leave combat we can't do any damage, and blizzard keeps papering over the cracks with giving is damage % buffs but means we are either incredible or absolutely terrible, assination is flawed and death stalker is a absolute joke we have 6 seconds to get our aoe up and now we need to ambush? No rogue wants to ambush from stealth it is completely against the rotation, who hell designs this stuff!?
"No rogue wants to ambush from stealth" is a crazy statement.. considering that's actually what we want, but we don't want it to be part of rotation, ambush since vanilla. Always came from stealth/openers. As an opener, that's it, not randomly mid fight.
@SupernaturalWalrus Because Ambush is available to use, it doesn't mean that rogues WANT to use it. We want to be using Garrotte coming out of Stealth to amp their damage during the duration
just imagine you're fighting for your life and the rogue lad is in the back flipping a coin.
lol 😂😂😂
Anyone know what WeakAura specifically he's using. I like the cooldown times like this.
Its standard ElvUi
Nice video! Can you link the weakaura that shows the stuff on bars? Im looking for a thing like that and cant find it! I would appreciate alot!!
I think Sin peaked in Legion. AoE was hard but I was ok with spreading dots because poison bomb procs (with stacked mastery) were fun and played well you could keep up on dps. Problem was higher keys when you really need to lock down dangerous mobs. It is hard to do that while spreading your dots in initial window of pull. But now the rotation is too cluttered and badly needs to be cleaned up. To me it is unplayable.
Hello, can you tell me which WeakAura you are using, please? I'm looking for one that shows a casting bar like yours. I mean, I prefer to see the fade of my Slice and Dice this way, for example, instead of looking at a timer on an icon.
To me looks just like the aura bars that are built in with elvui
Where is the rogue dev the rogue in all specs is the worst i have ever see it.
Outlaw was soo good at the end of slands and the start of DF why did they change it at all 😢
assa is just gonna get gutted again just like it did at the start of df, a week after the race and the spec is killed
I Cannot play Rogue longer. I'm now lvl 74 and its horrible. When the tank pull the whole dungeon i'm overwhelmed to put bleeding to all mobs, they're falling faster than i feel usefull....
Gosh yeah it’s so difficult to do your full rotation and feel useful while leveling in TWW. I’m sure it’ll get better if you get your 80 and start doing mythics/raiding when mobs don’t just fall over and the tank is pulling the right amount of mobs. I would definitely play whatever you enjoy though and if that isn’t rogue, definitely don’t do it. Do whatever makes it the most fun for you 😁
They keep bugging rogue and this is what I was scared of. They need to fix its gameplay
Its currently s tier
gamba class or what? 7 flips times same side in a row to get a buff lol xo impossible for pvp
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@@T.A.O-f9v accept the lose bro 💪💪🤣🤣
Deathstalker is so clearly ahead of Fatebound in m+ it's not even funny. It's so much stronger either DS needs to be nerfed or FB needs to be buffed. The reason why it's so much stronger is because Ass rogue is one of the best funnel classes in the game so while you're focusing down your primary target you're doing more damage in aoe and the more damage you're doing in aoe the more damage you're doing to your primary target making it a feedback loop that absolutely slaps in m+ packs. It also has the benefit of being a bosskiller spec. So if you plan on playing rogue I'd recommend you learn how DS function in m+ because right now it is the best option of the two by far
For me assassination is by far the worst designed spec for m+. (if you ignore augvoger that is)
To do any damage you need to enter every combat from stealth. Then when you start combat from stealth you have 6 seconds to spread your Garrote and Rupture on as many targets as possible.
This completely disqualifies Deathstalker hero tree as valid choice for m+.
Also tank is prevented from doing any kind of chain pools.
Whenever there is a situation where new enemies appear in a fight you cannot compete on damage with other classes, you simply cannot spread bleeds efficiently.
It makes zero sense how they designed whole spec around attacking from stealth, without any tool to enter stealth in combat, other than 2min. cd Vanish.
It is insane how the whole spec for AOE is designed around Indiscriminate Carnage....
After class tree changes Echoing Reprimand is used in every situation, it only adds another layer of frustration where you are gambling to get specific number of combo points.
I know that assassination is maintenance spec, but they overdid it in my opinion.
It is interesting to see that there are still some people who enjoy it.
I main assination and you summed it up perfectly my friend, it has to be one of the stupidest designed specs in the game for mythic plus. And they keep trying to paper over the cracks with % damage increases whilst not addressing the fundamental issue with indiscriminate carnage being the only way to aoe. Who ever designed death stalker needs to lose there job, we have 6 seconds to do any aoe now we need to fit in a ambush in there too!? Who the hell designed this? Just make it the first target we garrote in combat simple! It's like the rogue designer does not play rogue at all or they don't have one and some retard on work experience is designing the spec.
assassination is horseshit indeed for m+, but saying that you need stealth to do damage is also untrue. yes it makes it easier, but honestly nothing can survive the vanish deathmark kingsbane anyway so you can freely just use vanish to spread dots. if your only way to do any meaningful damage is forcing stealthed pulls then you're playing assassination wrong or you're prioritising the wrong numbers to see.
Fok, spread ruptures......thats how you do damage.
The problem with assination is the fundamental issue with all our damage coming from stealth, if we cant leave combat we can't do any damage, and blizzard keeps papering over the cracks with giving is damage % buffs but means we are either incredible or absolutely terrible, assination is flawed and death stalker is a absolute joke we have 6 seconds to get our aoe up and now we need to ambush? No rogue wants to ambush from stealth it is completely against the rotation, who hell designs this stuff!?
What spec have you been playing?
@@JSDRB lol i was just checking if im alright! Thanks for confirming :D
"No rogue wants to ambush from stealth" is a crazy statement.. considering that's actually what we want, but we don't want it to be part of rotation, ambush since vanilla. Always came from stealth/openers. As an opener, that's it, not randomly mid fight.
@SupernaturalWalrus Because Ambush is available to use, it doesn't mean that rogues WANT to use it. We want to be using Garrotte coming out of Stealth to amp their damage during the duration
getting into stealth is ez