When Music Theory Goes Too Far
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2020
- When music theory gets taken too far it sounds... interesting 😂 Remember to TAP like and subscribe if you enjoyed this video!
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Remember the old saying - "more is more"
😑 no, this is not how you are supposed to play the game!
Nice variety of styles here. Good times.
Always has been
Can't resist: ua-cam.com/video/QHZ48AE3TOI/v-deo.html
One more bass battle with davie 504 !!
Poor Charles, he can't even fake playing bad.
Hahaha
exactly my thoughts hahahaha
lmao
HAA!!! Finally! Something Charles Berthoud can't play!
Yeah, his tone and volume are too even! I could have done a MUCH BETTER worse job at playing that last part!
"Jazz is about learning as many rules as possible, to break as many as possible."
Please go listen to music to headbang to ;)
@@CyberChrist you mean jazz?
@@LaVerdad65 lol
Why not just break away then - sort of randomly and hope for the best ...
Fast run fusion jazz = Managed chaos
“My God, he’s a GENIUS ! “ ...🤣
My god those glasses are too small
Using gods name in vain 🤦♂️
@@Coram_D30 okay fine oh my those glasses are way too small
@@Coram_D30 What if he's God doesn't mind? He said "MY God", not yours...
@@marcusrp9 using gods name in vain is agianst the Ten Commandments
Teacher: So what did you notice about this composition?
Me, an intellectual: The lick!!
and intellectual
69th like :D
@@cristobalparedes1869 niceeeeee
Was about to comment that if no one else did already
L I C C
“To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable.” Beethoven
@IPA SOLÉ “insigrinicant”... am I pregananant?
"smoke gras, eat ass and get fast" Beethoven
@IPA SOLÉ the qoute is: "smash those notes until you get a load"
@IPA SOLÉ O M G.
Beethoven would not notice the difference in a note for sure XD.
"You probably think that Flea and Paul McCartney are geniuses don't you." You've summed all of that "Music's a sport and I want to be the best." Crowd in a single line. You're awesome!
WTF music ain't a sport
*cliff burton would say otherwise*
@@famouscryp4130 thats the joke
@@mrnohax5436 well there's a difference in doing it just because you want to be competitive and doing it as a promise to your dead brother
Fun fact: Paul McCartney holds the Guinness World Record for most hit songs written by anyone in history.
Honestly gotta respect the guy for backing-up all of his complaints; he was doing cool things and utilizing eye-opening ideas. The problem is that they were forced into a composition in a soulless manner. Whether the music is simple or complicated, it cannot be put together like some sort of math equation without losing the human element.
The only really weakness in charles playing.... He is slightly robotic.
@@mikelabelle1145 big facts
Being that he never stopped being a human, this 'human element' you spoke of was never lacking.
the problem is that it stops being music. It turns into math sound. It becomes Sonic Art, rather than music.
@@putridfetidini5468 your mum is lacking though
"Really REALLY Giant Steps" got me. Very silly. Very stupid. 10/10
@Can a swallow swallow? oof nice one
Wanna hear Even more giant than really REALLY Giant Steps!
@@dallassegno recording this right now
I actually really enjoyed it x3
I also loved the Metropolis part 3.
Yep elitism is the enemy of art
@Jean D I agree, typical internet pleboids. They don’t understand real music.
Let me explain there are people that go around doing this to beginner musicians thus discouraging them from wanting to play music and then theres potential wasted. Making Music should be about having fun, none of this shaming people who just started doing the thing they love.
The opposite is worse.
You misspelled postmodernism. I can take a shit on a clean canvas and claim it represents the evils of capitalism and by current art "standards" that would be just as valid as the Mona Lisa.
@@TechniqueSan You're being an elitist right now. Postmodernism is cool.
I knew so many prog snobs like this in college. All I wanted to do was play rock n' roll that people would actually like, and I got SO much side eye for it from these guys.
Makes you wonder if they’re even capable of playing good music
I love that Charles throws in a little scat whenever he gets the chance.
Disgusting
"Show us all those techniques that you mentioned, in one composition" - *Jacob Collier enters the room*
@@user-cm4oc2lp4x and don't forget Ron Jarzonbek and Mattias Eklundh
Awesome! Jacob Collier Fan
@@KenFarnham and the ramones.
Hahaha I came to make a similar comment! 😅
@@melchizedekful Geniuses of prog metal with jazz modes and African time signatures
Metropolis Part 3, nice.
Petropolis pt 3. scenes from a memory but I have dementia so no memories for me.
we need "if bach was played by dream theater" :D
If only he named the dude nicholas and told him to open his eyes after he was done playing
I really got into Sonic 2 after that came out. Whenever my friend and I got to Metropolis Zone level 2, we'd make a Metropolis Part 2 reference, which really fit because Metropolis Zone had some awesome music!
@@sawyeratkinson This video would have won an emmy for screenplay among us proggles if he would have done that.
My dad (who is not a musician in any capacity ironically) had a great line that fits this perfectly - "There is a world of difference between a technician and a musician".
i unironically need a 5 minute song of 0:55, seriously.
Listen dream theater ahaha he is imitating myung's playing
@@efeonuraydin3079 sure but give me a song that sounds like that
@@-valkyrie-00 metropolis pt 1 the miracle and the sleeper. You could try dance of eternity too
@@-valkyrie-00 its literally a dream theatre song lol
@@CaptnGnarGnar I don't listen to dream theater
All this effort for the age old "you can't tell the difference between a beginner and a master giving it all he's got" joke lmfao
This is why I love you
I can't imagine Charles talking to the wall assimilating that he is there😂
This is what quarantine has done to me...
Simulating?
How would he be there when Jonathan and David are there?
Well... I can. I you talked a lot to the camera, you have no problem talking to a wall or two.
He's evolving into Ruby Adobe
The second composition was a beauty. Balance is key!
Would be so great as a full piece/song. So much character in that tune.
I'm a composition student from South Africa and this is the FUNNIEST channel I have ever come across that's musically related. The skits are literally hilarious because they're true
Check out Daniel Thrasher's top it's good.
Therapist: American Charles isn’t real, he can’t hurt you.
American Charles: 3:13
Loooool, didn't even notice the difference at first. 😂
He sounds like Owen Wilson
American? What are you trying to say about Americans?
@@ofsinope he sounds like lars ulrich
Gud dang love American Charles.
This reminds me of what Victor Wooten said about Bass, that if you make it too complicated then people will spend too much time trying to listen to the music instead of feeling the music and letting it catch you in the moment.
Sometimes that's really fun. But there's a time and place. Sometimes I wanna chew on a really mind-bending piece, and sometimes I just wanna feel fire coursing through my veins as I soar on the wings of a divine beast.
... ...really over here outing myself as a Dragonforce enjoyer...
"Sure he used slap bass technique if there even is such a thing" he literally used it in his song
He meant that the music theory guy didn't think of slapping as an actual technique
Think of it like he's putting sarcastic air quotes around "technique."
Thats the joke
2:24 this is basically anyone who tries to write songs like ichika nito.
No most of Ichika’s music is in 4/4 my guy.
@@darthvader4339 what he means is that most of the time it sounds bad
@@aminnhidalgo5885 True.
Absolutely mesmerised by the Charles in the tank top and the red hat.
weird seeing him try to play absolutely terrible and seems inaccurate the guy would play fingerstyle if he knows nothing about bass. He called it guitar after all
That's American first copy of Charles for you all 👍
Oh hitman fan here 😂😂 I am diana. Get ready for an assignment coming to you shortly
@@satishthakur4425 of course. My usual pay I assume.
First class ticket to Paris, Business class tuxedo. Gold plated ICA 29 silenced pistol and 100k $ would do it ??
""Remember that old saying"more is more""
Charles 🐻👣👣
Wasn't it Yngwie who said it first? Xd
@@elimgarak3597 yes
I just keep rewatching this one. The over-the-top-musical-theory guy is just incredible ! Your accent makes it just perfect and his song is super cool
Somebody:
"Can I borrow your guitar"(bass)
Expert:
"My God his a genius"
2:44 you thought we wouldn't notice eh , sneaky 😉
I had a feeling it was the licc even before clicking it, nice
The licc
@Max Ellis lol tru
He thought we would notice, he put it in specifically and obviously so that we would notice as a joke
I don’t get it
"There are no wrong notes in Jazz... only weird decisions"
- Totally forgot who said that . sooorry
Playing jazz is a weird decision
i think it was bob ross
I didn't know wierd meant retarded 😏
"There are no wrong notes in jazz, only notes in the wrong places."- Miles Davis
@@ShadowhandofDune that sounds like wrong notes with extra steps 😁
2:43 i like how he's singing this satirically random scale as if it was somehow very melodic and intuitive.
"If you have to study music theory for the music to sound pleasant, it probably isn't"
-_Me, a few seconds ago_
This is a problem I have with a lot of prog and fusion instrumentalists, namely that they forget that music is supposed to sound appealing, and they get so focused on "breaking the rules" or showcasing their technique and knowledge of music theory that it ends up sounding goofy/cacophonous/trite.
Make no mistake, I love prog and fusion, but, say, drummers like Virgil Donati, while talented beyond belief, forget to make actual music for actual listening IMO and a lot of his rhythms sound like he did them just so he could say he did whatever super complex polyrhythm it was
"I pleasantly studied unpleasant music theory, and my music isn't unpleasant. It's AWFUL"
-Me, just now
@@alextaunton3099 Thank you for nailing it so eloquently. I recently tried to watch a video about Pat Metheny’s September Fifteenth. The song is long, boring, and tuneless. But Rick Beato was positively blown away by the music theory of it.
@@Morphoidism already heard of em
The Really Really Giant Steps part reminds me of my jazz guitar professor in college. He was always coming up with crazy arrangements when he lead the jazz combo I was in. When I sang “Blue Skies” as my vocal piece, there were these chromatic chord changes and extended bars at the end of the B section, and ever since I’ve sung the melody differently. He wasn’t arrogant, he was just kind of out there and vibed with the music. The good old days....
Your professor wasn't by chance named Leary was he? Lol
I wasn’t ready for Charles with an American accent
I always though his accent was fake and that he WAS American...
@@ktiemz nationality reveal at one million subscribes😂
@IPA SOLÉ so wait Charles is actually black?
That’s more of a Cali accent (don’t Quote me on That) and definitely more rural.
It almost sounds like owen Wilson at first
This band is called “Yeah I went to Berkeley, how can you tell?”
Berklee
That second bass riff REALLY sounded like a Fire Emblem battle theme for a couple bars. Love the video Charles!
"What did you notice about this peice?"
"Can't dance to it."
"PHILLISTINE!"
Charles casualy recording himself sitting on a stool , wearing earbuds and doing nothing for 3 minutes
He speaks our language.
I've never seen a bass make an angelic choir sound, very impressive
Never play to impress another musician…play to impress the ones buying a ticket to your show.- Raymond Fairchild
3:29 This needs to be a 'Betcha Can't Play That' competition.
"Can I borough your guitar" that is Sacrilegious
That's like asking an equestrian to allow to ride his horse.
How lucky are you to have so many twins that are also great musicians
There really needs to be a “laughing” button here.
Cuz this was hilarious.
It would be less funny, that's like putting one in Malcolm In The Middle
“No negative time signatures? No negative harmonies?”
Someone should of stepped in and said, “At least it doesn’t have a negative attitude” :)
Ooh burn
ve
@@bruitation Those are when the rythm exceeds space and time itself
SHOULD HAVE
I love these videos of 3 versions of Charles watching Charles play...
I've been listening to Metropolis Part Three on loop for the past two hours.
The teacher is how i view all of my friends who were classically taught and educated in music, having learned everything myself by ear listening to punk, metal, and post-hardcore/emo.
His shades being off center is bugging me way more than it should
They're off center on purpose. It's like when jazz music has accidental notes
It makes the character.
Lmao you blend elite bass playing comedy so well, keep up the good work!
There's one Giant Steps for jazz, then there's Really Really Giant Steps for jazzkind. Wonderful piece, it hits just right :p
"really" giant steps.... love it!
Musical Theory is such an interesting endeabor indeed! Quite awesome work as always man!
Plays literally a bunch of random notes.
Professor finds a way to explain them in musical terms.
I LOVE this video. Just discovered this guy. I was a session drummer in LA in thr 80’s and 90’s and this humor nails it!
0:39 "yeah I do" made me laugh pretty hard 🤣
I wonder what glasses Charles would say about a performance of John Cage 4'33 🤔
the polychords and timbre in the audience are amazing! they’re so evocative of the reception to my first recital. oh, and those additive rhythms created by tomatoes flying across the hall are ingenious. wait, why are they booing?
I can play most of that.
@@katiefrisk980 they're not booing, they're saying 'boo-urns'
Charles playing badly on purpose sounds better than me trying.
*plays music*
terrible
*runs his fingers across the guitar*
hes a genius!
Running your fingers across the guitar is called playing music.
@@mcarrowtime7095 no it is not. Running scales up and down is no music, nor is tuning a guitar.
@@gregorgiebel1377 Tuning a Guitar isn’t, but plenty of songs are scales with extra steps
@@mcarrowtime7095 yes, you can obviously make music, using scales. But just playing scales is no music imo.
@@gregorgiebel1377 you obviously haven't got into minimalism yet 😂
3:28 can I borrow your guitar?
One of the ways to roast a bassist
Well... it is a bass guitar
Very funny skit. That second composition was AMAZING as well. Would love to hear a full version of it.
"What did you notice? " Well he played The lick, so take that for what it's worth
I enjoyed the Metropolis Part 3 gag, great honoring of John Myung :) love all the crazy stuff you come up with haha
I needed this, the whole video I was grinning like a mad man and laughing out loud, been far too long since I had a good time like that! You're a genius, love seeing every video you create, keep it real my dude.
Gotta love these multiple Charles videos.
Must be quite a bit of work to write the scenario and shoot the different sequences
Music theory is similar to martial arts theory and as Bruce Lee said "it's like a finger pointing at the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory".
This guy is off the charts talented... if not only the musical prodigy that he is, but also a comedian, and video editor. WTH...
You are talented in many evident ways - Aside from being a very dedicated and impressive bass player, you express your talents in an engaging way that is both inspiring and entertaining, all while remaining modestly humble. You should be proud of what you've done here.
Ah, all the adam neely quotes
„...Flea and McCartney are geniuses, don‘t you!?“
„Ya I didn‘t...“
„Shhhh!“
Me: 😂
“Yeah, I do”
That SHHHHH is teacher-worthy
Unironically thought really really giant steps sounded good
no
yes
no
yes
Agreed
🤣🤣"Don't dissapoint me" so spot on with that personality
As hard as Charles tried, the noob guy still has more technique than me.
These types of videos are IMO your best.. very funny... I loved that one (jazz and wrong notes) and I think you should make more like these.. excellent stuff
That closing lick at 2:43 is so cheeky and obnoxious, yet I just took the time to learn it and I now want to use it as much as possible in my playing.
An ounce of great groove outweighs ten tons of theory.
Adventure ever on, Phat
0:23 Davie504 left the group
Epic comment..
Dude I love the different versions of you interacting with each other. These videos are gold. And you are a bass God. Keep it up good sir. Bravo
2:15 those A-doublesharp and D-doublesharp chords haunt me
Excellent. Brightened up my day no end. Thank you.
2:15 that music sheet tho! 😂 I like how the bass parts matches when Charles singing this piece with his singing voice. 😂
"suddenly metal" lol
"...Jonathan."
- looks at Jonathan
Jonathan: smiles hopelessly
I love your sense of humor man, also great playing all around, even the noodling xD
He ended the complex piece with both of the most famous jazz licks.
Metropolis Part 3 🤣👌🏼
I always thought that was the piece When the water breaks by Liquid Tension Experiment.
I'm a simple man. I see the Charles Berthoud audience, I tap like.
That said, I understood everything that was said in this video.
I don't understand a single term/music theory in this video
That's how you know you crossed the line of no return
Can I get your autograph?
Wow, you must be really smart. So cool.
But did you understand what was played? :P
Dude your tapping is what is out of this world.
“Negative time signatures” 🤣
I waited for your video all day lol TAPPED LIKE !
Whenever I see multiple Charles', I imagine he is in some type of Charles multiverse purgatory, or it's in his multiple personality brain or something. Lol
So... your brain doesn't work like that? Hm... Maybe i should visit a doctor...
The One (1999, I guess) with Jet Li ^^
Like "being John Malkovic" (movie)
Les "Is More" Claypool.
These comedies are my favorites. I watch them over and over, and they keep making me smile.
I love when there is multiple Charlesess! And it's funny how he sounds good even when trying to sound bad! hahahahaha
I came here for the BASS, and stayed for the American accent.
this is my favourite
CharlesBerthoud
video so far :D
Dude, you're truly brilliant! Thanks Davie504, I've accidentally end up following you, and damn, you're the one of the most interesting musicians I know about. So fucking groovy, tightly, played with an amazing degree of technique , yet so musical at the same time. Everything's so precise, each note is on its place, and all of that is packed so skillfully and with such a great taste in every bit of the music. Looking forward to see you next to the musicians like Chick Corea, Erik Truffaz, Hiromi Uehara, Dave Weckl, Billy Cobham and the others of that scale.
I've never been more validated in my genius than this very moment. Thank you, Charles.
Sounds like Frank Zappa's work. Great job!
except FZ actually grooves like heck
@@dvened zappa kicks ass.
Zappa just isn't a serious musician. Fun does not belong in serious music, ya know, bitches?
😂😂😂 Kudos Charles. The ending was great!
I died laughing at the ending of the "advanced" composition. If ever their was a music meme.