37145+37108+37040 Hunterston to Ravenscraig MGR. Scene featured on Modern Traction Archive: Volume 1 published by Lineside Video Productions see www.linesidevi...
The leading engine, 145, reminds me of a pair of 37s we brought light back to Stratford shed. We got off the curve at South Tottenham and drive gave it the beans on the up Cambridge line. Both were possibly even more smoky with an impressive display of sparks to boot.
i've read a comment somehere (if i can find it) that the leading 37 had an engine/timing fault that was known about (hence the fitter present, leaning out the cab window). the upshot was they discovered that although clagging badly, the engine was pumping out 2000hp+ in the process. relevant adjustment was undertaken and all was well. btw iron ore and MGR trains to Ravenscraig were 2x37 with another 37 (or occasionally a 26) added on the front at Mossend for the climb through Holytown
This level of entertainment was at the lineside everywhere for free - remember Bristol Bath Rd’s wrecked 31s, Thornaby’s smoking Syphons and Immingham’s choppers? The last great fleet of ruined beasts had to be the DCWA 50s- unbelievable!!
Class 37 looks and sounds menacing. You would jump out of the way a mile away if you were on the line and saw one coming. Scares all the sheep away in the adjacent fields.
Totally splendid vid that! Yeah i'd say that 37145 (formerly 37313) was probably getting rinsed as it was overdue overhaul, which it received in September 1990 at Springburn Major Depot and repainted into Railfreight Metals, being the last 37/0 to retain all-over BR blue with large numbers. . .Crewe Works last gave a classified repair to a mainline loco at end of '87 i believe and Laira level 5 depot was just ending its programme of 37 overhauls in summer '90, with most CEM's carried out at Doncaster. As for the freight service, i wouldn't be surprised if its one of the in-frequent Hunterston to either Healey Mills or Scunthorpe imported coal via WCML, just before they trialled 56's on ECML anglo-scottish MGR's in July '90. . And yeah, i've just checked, the only scottish locos with slow speed control for MGR in June '90 were 26001-7 and 37693/4 surprisingly or not. Rite gona watch that again :)
No,, you have someone who appreciated the reality of railways. For all we know this locomotive is headed for Works for overhaul. The loco is in small logo blue so unlikely to have been repainted after 1980 when the Large Logo blue on the 2nd loco became the standard paint scheme. The third loco is ex works in Raifrieght triple grey so post 1988. Due for overhaul and may well be working towards there. Trust me, that is one very sick locomotive. Typical overhaul periods were about 5 years but could be extended depending on oil consumption which was (and is) monitored precisely unlike fuel consumption. Tell ya, it sounds in pain! Not something I do like to see, mainly because there is summat very wrong. There should be a brief black cloud on opening the throttle, that's turbo lag for ya, but watch the two other locos. Brief plume then they settle down to the typical clean exhaust of an EE Loco. Search around for classes 24, 25, 26, 27, 44, 45 or 47 and you'll see that Sulzer engines are smoky. High speed engines such as Paxman or Maybachs make a lovely noise but ooooh, the smoke! And as for Deltics? They chuck out more fuel than they burn! However, Mr Drax, I reiterate my previous comment. If you do not like watching railway videos, go watch summat else. I do not like football but leave the footy nerds alone. Why? Can't be bothered. I never did like trolls, especially ones who clearly know nothing about the subject they are trolling. Now sod off.
Nigel. Interesting comments. Im not a Train nerd as the other chap labelled you as which i thought was very rude. However i have a serious question having always had an interest in diesel locos in particular the English Electric loco's from the 60s (incidentally the 37s still used on various parts of the UK network is testament to their awesome longevity & reliability now they're 50+ years old!!) HOWEVER i digress.....and based on your passed experiences as a fitter i have this question. Why would the train crew decide to make this the lead loco seen as its the one with the quite obvious problem? Wouldn't it be possible that this loco could 'idle' in tandem with the other pair whilst they are carrying out all the work load and be coupled behind the lead loco/s? Presumably the vacuum brake system would have no issue functioning as the idling loco would be coupled up and effectively become just another part of the train ??
I suspect that the load is for 2 37s and the lead engine is on it way to Crewe for overhaul. The facilities at sheds are limited so, once we've got past an injector change and checked the wastegates for correct operation, the shed fitter's investigation ends. However, during the run down of class 40 and 25 for example we would have locos with good engines whose governor had been invaded by gremlins. We were not supposed to change the governor but, seeing as the easiest way to get to the wastegate was to remove the engine room roof, access to the governor was dead easy and, if we had one in the scrap line with a decent engine, we'd swap the governor over. Works would adjust a governor but not change them in the last days!!
It could well have been coupled inside the rear two but then I don't know the destination of this train. It may have been easier to couple the faulty loco up front so it can be detached en route if it is headed to a destination beyond the planned repair shop. This may well explain the travelling fitter who may well have need to enter the engine room before destination is reached. It'll be like the Black Hole of Calcutta in there!
The front loco I would suspect has worn injectors which is allowing too much fuel to enter the engine. I would also think it is running at 100% load where the other two are not.
Anything with an engine makes me think of it as a person, with a personality and you look after her. This vid is like three sisters helping each other out
Great to see this video, we must have been standing together when you took the video as I have still photographs of the same working and have had one published in Modern Railways
The lead loco 37145 must have polluted have the world with the shit and Clagg it pumped out lol solid black derv smoke lol happy days of the tractors on triple head mgr trains!!!🔥🔥🔥
Watching and Listening to he Coatbridge FL depart Felixstowe past Town station to the FELIXSTOWE TOWN cut off to Trimley b4 the Trinity spur was built was a SIGHT and SOUND i will NEVR forget. Double 37 Blue Sparks and THRASH!. Behold the ENGLISH ELECTRIC Class 37|
I went to this location in September 1990 and saw this working. Hellfire. Where exactly is it though as I can’t remember now. And what’s there now as I’m certain you won’t get this vantage point anymore?!
As of 27/07/2020, only 37108 seems to have survived the chop. Apparently 37108 is at the Crewe Heritage Centre whilst 37145 was cut up April 2000 & 37040 cut up April 2006.
Used to love going down that little access road when i was younger and hiding under the bridge to watch these monsters heading into the craig, was always a good spot for the local car thieves to burn out an old Rover SD1 or Ford Cortina .
OK, that was one hell of a train but so many of these diesels seem to churn out more black smoke that a steam loco. Were the other diesels in this line pulling too, or they just more dead weight?
They were pulling, all of these locos are 'jumpered up', IE the driver of the first loco has control of all of them. The smoke is because the lead engine hasn't been maintained regularly, or recieved the same amount of attention as others.
The first locomotive has a faulty fuel/air delivery system, the second one is under load but running clean. The engineer is looking at the clagg, this is a test run
I do like to see the clag (sorry environmentalists) and I'm sure I've watched videos of Class 37s where the driver deliberately generates clag.....I'm assuming by opening and shutting full throttle. This smoke in this particular video does seem excessive though so maybe there is an issue??
Here is another inconvenient fact. Those wagons are HAA hoppers, built for Merry Go Round trains. To load and unload these trains requires slow speed control fitted which none of those locos have. The wagons are loaded so presumably on their way to a power station except that with those locos, unloading is not possible. So we are watching a staging move, from colliery or port to an intermediate marshalling yard. A suitably equipped loco then takes the train to its final destination. Is the train going north or south? I don't know, I know not the area. If it is going south, is this a regular working used to bring locos for overhaul to Crewe Works? Or has the fault developed en route? I once saw a class 46 go from being hale and hearty to a smoky, misfiring wreck in 7 miles. I was on the train, 1st window. It was taken to Healey Mills Shed which was equipped to do most running repairs. New injectors and pumps made no difference so the loco was withdrawn from service because the class had been declared none standard. There are so many imponderables here that judgements cannot be made. No go and play, Trolls, my fault, I should know not to try to educate the uneducable........
The train is loaded with coal and originated from Hunterston High Level ore terminal in Ayrshire, it is heading for Ravenscraig steelworks. The loco's will be removed from the train at Ravenscraig and a beetle device pulled the wagons through the unloading point. This was also how the train was loaded at Hunterston.
Class 37, Carbon Neutral since the 1960s
The Tractor, Carbon Rich since 1960
Pure porn that
Carbon neutral thanks to kicking him out through the back door
Nothing to see here......
Carbon neutral because they are still running. You can’t beat a suck, squeeze, bang and blow 😏
The fireman on that front loco is shovelling hard!
The leading engine, 145, reminds me of a pair of 37s we brought light back to Stratford shed. We got off the curve at South Tottenham and drive gave it the beans on the up Cambridge line. Both were possibly even more smoky with an impressive display of sparks to boot.
I don't believe that's anything to be proud of, if this the case
Stratford shed, Jack stannard forman.
@@mortenfrosthansen84 you do know there were things impressive beyond this day and age right? these bad boys were built in THE BLOODY 1960's you donut
i've read a comment somehere (if i can find it) that the leading 37 had an engine/timing fault that was known about (hence the fitter present, leaning out the cab window). the upshot was they discovered that although clagging badly, the engine was pumping out 2000hp+ in the process. relevant adjustment was undertaken and all was well. btw iron ore and MGR trains to Ravenscraig were 2x37 with another 37 (or occasionally a 26) added on the front at Mossend for the climb through Holytown
Good thing he wasn’t leaning out of the rear cab window….was it this video that launched the design of the class 59/66?😀
Probably was delivering more power!!
This level of entertainment was at the lineside everywhere for free - remember Bristol Bath Rd’s wrecked 31s, Thornaby’s smoking Syphons and Immingham’s choppers? The last great fleet of ruined beasts had to be the DCWA 50s- unbelievable!!
Class 37 looks and sounds menacing. You would jump out of the way a mile away if you were on the line and saw one coming. Scares all the sheep away in the adjacent fields.
I thought Porn was banned from UA-cam, This video shows I was wrong 😂. Cracking sight and sound
Greta thunberg wants to know your location
I can hear greta thunberg saying YOU HAVE STOLLEN MY DREAMS.
@@mrcheese725 This is from before climate change was invented :D
Better than boring old porn.....!!!
Absolutely staggering, what a brilliant catch.
HELLFIRE!
fantastic! just wish we could see more of this these days.
Used to drive this train and work the banker engine either from Rosehall junction or Mossend batter up the hill into Ravenscraig 4
37145: "Eat my soot Friends of the Earth".
Rolling coal as well as hauling it. Guaranteed #1 position in the next 'carry on clagging' Top Twenty.
That first one must be a bit ill?
Fucking great innit I’m an ex miner and class37 fan too
Lol .
*Double-Extra-Soot!*
Incredible. Sounds like a fire breathing dragon. Great catch
one of the best locos ever.
Absolutely brilliant machine, miss these in lowestoft 😭
They will need em again in 6 months when the 66s are buggered again
You sure that isn't a steam train trying to be a class 37 😂😂😂😂
No, steam trains were cleaner.
@@bolwem50not as cool though
Oh that rumble is poetry in motion & it is a beast!
Totally splendid vid that! Yeah i'd say that 37145 (formerly 37313) was probably getting rinsed as it was overdue overhaul, which it received in September 1990 at Springburn Major Depot and repainted into Railfreight Metals, being the last 37/0 to retain all-over BR blue with large numbers. . .Crewe Works last gave a classified repair to a mainline loco at end of '87 i believe and Laira level 5 depot was just ending its programme of 37 overhauls in summer '90, with most CEM's carried out at Doncaster. As for the freight service, i wouldn't be surprised if its one of the in-frequent Hunterston to either Healey Mills or Scunthorpe imported coal via WCML, just before they trialled 56's on ECML anglo-scottish MGR's in July '90. . And yeah, i've just checked, the only scottish locos with slow speed control for MGR in June '90 were 26001-7 and 37693/4 surprisingly or not. Rite gona watch that again :)
Just watched this again. Brilliant capture.
No,, you have someone who appreciated the reality of railways. For all we know this locomotive is headed for Works for overhaul. The loco is in small logo blue so unlikely to have been repainted after 1980 when the Large Logo blue on the 2nd loco became the standard paint scheme. The third loco is ex works in Raifrieght triple grey so post 1988. Due for overhaul and may well be working towards there. Trust me, that is one very sick locomotive. Typical overhaul periods were about 5 years but could be extended depending on oil consumption which was (and is) monitored precisely unlike fuel consumption. Tell ya, it sounds in pain!
Not something I do like to see, mainly because there is summat very wrong. There should be a brief black cloud on opening the throttle, that's turbo lag for ya, but watch the two other locos. Brief plume then they settle down to the typical clean exhaust of an EE Loco.
Search around for classes 24, 25, 26, 27, 44, 45 or 47 and you'll see that Sulzer engines are smoky. High speed engines such as Paxman or Maybachs make a lovely noise but ooooh, the smoke! And as for Deltics? They chuck out more fuel than they burn!
However, Mr Drax, I reiterate my previous comment. If you do not like watching railway videos, go watch summat else. I do not like football but leave the footy nerds alone. Why? Can't be bothered.
I never did like trolls, especially ones who clearly know nothing about the subject they are trolling. Now sod off.
Nigel. Interesting comments. Im not a Train nerd as the other chap labelled you as which i thought was very rude.
However i have a serious question having always had an interest in diesel locos in particular the English Electric loco's from the 60s (incidentally the 37s still used on various parts of the UK network is testament to their awesome longevity & reliability now they're 50+ years old!!) HOWEVER i digress.....and based on your passed experiences as a fitter i have this question.
Why would the train crew decide to make this the lead loco seen as its the one with the quite obvious problem? Wouldn't it be possible that this loco could 'idle' in tandem with the other pair whilst they are carrying out all the work load and be coupled behind the lead loco/s?
Presumably the vacuum brake system would have no issue functioning as the idling loco would be coupled up and effectively become just another part of the train ??
I suspect that the load is for 2 37s and the lead engine is on it way to Crewe for overhaul. The facilities at sheds are limited so, once we've got past an injector change and checked the wastegates for correct operation, the shed fitter's investigation ends. However, during the run down of class 40 and 25 for example we would have locos with good engines whose governor had been invaded by gremlins. We were not supposed to change the governor but, seeing as the easiest way to get to the wastegate was to remove the engine room roof, access to the governor was dead easy and, if we had one in the scrap line with a decent engine, we'd swap the governor over. Works would adjust a governor but not change them in the last days!!
It could well have been coupled inside the rear two but then I don't know the destination of this train. It may have been easier to couple the faulty loco up front so it can be detached en route if it is headed to a destination beyond the planned repair shop. This may well explain the travelling fitter who may well have need to enter the engine room before destination is reached. It'll be like the Black Hole of Calcutta in there!
The front loco I would suspect has worn injectors which is allowing too much fuel to enter the engine. I would also think it is running at 100% load where the other two are not.
@The Grumpy Southerner actually I just thought isn't 37145 preserved now and in large logo blue and yellow??
3 X Class 37's on 46 HAA's. Incredible.
Awesome thrash \m/
Anything with an engine makes me think of it as a person, with a personality and you look after her. This vid is like three sisters helping each other out
what a fantastic bit video the 37 look clagtastic.
The front locomotive seems to be doing all the work.
Superb video! You can see the lead loco is working it's arse off!!
No, you can see that the lead loco is in need of attention.
Blimey!! This sums up why 1990 was the best year for loco's in sectorisation era !!
Never knew a 37 had been modified by VW.....
Nigel Terry Oh very Good wish I'd thought of that one
which one of the 3 was that?
It hasn't :) VW's racket was NOx not soot emissions. 37145 not running too well in this footage.
😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍
he engine swapped it with a Toyota supra
1000th like.
You deserve it, amazing video
OMG the clag!!! The pure, unadulterated clag!!!!
Rumour has it the Kyoto Agreement was drawn up after viewing this video!
Ha ha ha best reply ever😃
37145 thinks she's a Russian TE10.........superb video!
it was gettin close!!
best comment
Absolutely Amazing!!! Well done!!! Thank you for sharing!!! :):):)
Doesn't get much better than that.
What a smoker !! loads of unburnt fuel love the 37s the other two must be dead weight poor old girl doing all the work !
Yikes, has no-one told them about the Clean Air Act?
Superb triple-tractor thrash though. 👍
Nice mix of liveries there!
Great to see this video, we must have been standing together when you took the video as I have still photographs of the same working and have had one published in Modern Railways
Wow what a claggy loco I can see in the video how much smoke the 37 is belching out
They should rename this loco Thunberg!!
How dare you :D
A nice mix of liveries there.
37145 might need a little attention before the MOT emissions test....
lol...I think you could be right ... its defiantly got a small problem !!
Richard Helliwell no poke without smoke 😌
Are you still talking about this particular loco.. or something else Lol ...
this vid
right oh .. its my mucky mind lol..
insane clagg bet zontar loves it as much as chris gunntrip and david maxly
very very good scene I really liked very much.
Probably the best i've seen!
I used to work the coal trains out of ARYSHIRE TRIPLE HEADED CLASS 37s out of eastfield traction depot Glasgow 1974 when I was a fireman
Very nice video👍👍
With so much clag I half expected the OHLE to flashover!
bet it did during the next rain.
@@rearspeaker6364 LOL!
The lead loco 37145 must have polluted have the world with the shit and Clagg it pumped out lol solid black derv smoke lol happy days of the tractors on triple head mgr trains!!!🔥🔥🔥
Some say the smoke cloud is circling the earth to this very day 🤔
Proper locos ❤
Love the fitter watching the exhaust ruefully.....
Thats the shunter/traiman
Brilliant.
What id give for a time machine to go back to them days.
That is a clag Machine!
That's nothing that a few drops of redex wouldn't sort out !!!.
Totally beautiful ❤
Excellent thrash
Watching and Listening to he Coatbridge FL depart Felixstowe past Town station to the FELIXSTOWE TOWN cut off to Trimley b4 the Trinity spur was built was a SIGHT and SOUND i will NEVR forget. Double 37 Blue Sparks and THRASH!. Behold the ENGLISH ELECTRIC Class 37|
Fantastic ! 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
@@linesidevideoprod You're welcome !
Thats how i remember 37s working hard!!!!
A steam train would put less smoke out! I like 37's though! :-)
That's more smoke than the amount that would have poured from a Paxman Valenta-engined HST.
An EE makes more smoke than an ALCO?? I never thought I'd see the day! 😀
WEll recorded mate.
Best thrash/clag video ever i reckon! :D
Wow, thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
I went to this location in September 1990 and saw this working. Hellfire. Where exactly is it though as I can’t remember now. And what’s there now as I’m certain you won’t get this vantage point anymore?!
As of 27/07/2020, only 37108 seems to have survived the chop. Apparently 37108 is at the Crewe Heritage Centre whilst 37145 was cut up April 2000 & 37040 cut up April 2006.
Greetings from Indonesia bradher
there goes the ozone layer
😂
Sounds great
Great video like it very much.Hope there more
Now 37145 has proper clag.
True 'rolling coal'!!
Awesome!
Front engine doing all the work
Used to love going down that little access road when i was younger and hiding under the bridge to watch these monsters heading into the craig, was always a good spot for the local car thieves to burn out an old Rover SD1 or Ford Cortina .
That's the way to do it boys
It’s got an *ALCO* in that thing for *Soot!*
Bloody hell thats a lot of black smoke !
Clag*
Coorrr mate bring me to the 90s
If only I could in real life!
Excellent Video my mate just subbed 👍
Complimenti
HELLFIRE!
If Volkswagen built the Class 37
OK, that was one hell of a train but so many of these diesels seem to churn out more black smoke that a steam loco. Were the other diesels in this line pulling too, or they just more dead weight?
They were pulling, all of these locos are 'jumpered up', IE the driver of the first loco has control of all of them. The smoke is because the lead engine hasn't been maintained regularly, or recieved the same amount of attention as others.
@@StaxRail Thanks for that. I was curious, its nice to get the word from a guy that knows. A great video.
Whoosh my Lords!
Super video i like it
Turbo? What turbo, who needs those? 😂
impressive lashup at the start
The smoke we’ve built under. and there was 2020.
The first locomotive has a faulty fuel/air delivery system, the second one is under load but running clean.
The engineer is looking at the clagg, this is a test run
Looks like new injectors are needed, worn injectors are the usual cause of thick black smoke from diesels when under power
@@paulrob86 correct, or an air supply problem but unlikely on this loco, it's nice to read stuff by someone who knows what they are talking about. 👍🏼
Incomplete combustion, that loco wouldn't look clean after an hours of work with all that carbon on it
@@bonkeydollocks1879 It's a term used when there is not enough oxygen:fuel creating lots of un-burnt carbon. (I think) hah
...wasn't good day to hang out the washing..
😂
superb!
Love the class 37 but man the gunk that is spewing out is shocking!!
Simon Gray. that's power simon 👍
No smoke no poke.
😲 if I was there I'd be coughing my lungs up with all the smoke
Faulty engine Sarah, but agree with your comment.
Proper Growlers !
I do like to see the clag (sorry environmentalists) and I'm sure I've watched videos of Class 37s where the driver deliberately generates clag.....I'm assuming by opening and shutting full throttle. This smoke in this particular video does seem excessive though so maybe there is an issue??
After watching a few Class 37s, I find them.. weak. I see way more tame and quiet diesel electrics that absolutely crush this is performance. Why?
No smoke No poke.
Here is another inconvenient fact. Those wagons are HAA hoppers, built for Merry Go Round trains. To load and unload these trains requires slow speed control fitted which none of those locos have. The wagons are loaded so presumably on their way to a power station except that with those locos, unloading is not possible. So we are watching a staging move, from colliery or port to an intermediate marshalling yard. A suitably equipped loco then takes the train to its final destination. Is the train going north or south? I don't know, I know not the area. If it is going south, is this a regular working used to bring locos for overhaul to Crewe Works? Or has the fault developed en route? I once saw a class 46 go from being hale and hearty to a smoky, misfiring wreck in 7 miles. I was on the train, 1st window. It was taken to Healey Mills Shed which was equipped to do most running repairs. New injectors and pumps made no difference so the loco was withdrawn from service because the class had been declared none standard.
There are so many imponderables here that judgements cannot be made.
No go and play, Trolls, my fault, I should know not to try to educate the uneducable........
The train is loaded with coal and originated from Hunterston High Level ore terminal in Ayrshire, it is heading for Ravenscraig steelworks. The loco's will be removed from the train at Ravenscraig and a beetle device pulled the wagons through the unloading point. This was also how the train was loaded at Hunterston.
They should start the second and third locos so the first one doesn't have to work so hard. 😛
Awesome !
Bloody hell,what would monica think of all this ,plenty of thrash and smoke