I don’t like light speed sukuna, the three obvious things people will say to the kashimo em waves thing would be: 1. He was aim dodging 2. EM waves are only light speed in a vacuum 3. “If I can dodge a ball moving at 100 mph does that make me 100mph” All these arguments work well enough to debunk it for me. But the real thing that makes me hesitant to say he’s light speed, is that it would tear JJK scaling apart at the seams. If Sukuna is light speed than a bunch of people become WAY faster than we know they are. In the fight after his fight with kashimo people like Itadori, Maki, Kusakabe, ETC are atleast keeping up with sukuna. That along with the three more obvious reasons listed above, generally has me keeping sukuna at island level and somewhere in the massively hypersonic ranges.
Island lvl??? Where is this coming from?? Is it from the domain thing that one fish guy did??? If so, then it ISN'T island lvl by your standards, its STAR lvl, because in his domain, a sun was just up there 😂😂 Not to mention the backgrounds in domains don't really exist in a natural way, so you can't scale them via creation feats.
Not letting him have ten shadows was a huge nerf 😭 even tho you’re being accurate, given the fact this is a db gauntlet one of the strongest anime verses, I would have given him anything at his disposal 😅. Even hypothetically.
If he was able to train like Krillin, Tien, etc, he could become very powerful. Given he has resources like Guru unlocking his potential, the dragon balls, the hyperbolic time chamber etc, I'm confident he could eventually become a Frieza level threat
@@Pinicle_of_evolution shenron would be the ultimate troll for that lmao but seriously sukuna would definitely be banking on someone eating his fingers if not that doesn’t work out shenron is his next option
@@joshawnthabeast I'm plenty relaxed lmao. TYBW anime showed Senjumaru's mere bankai release shaking the entire cosmology. It's a Buuhan level feat-heck, if DB Kai didn't canonise that Anime Original scene of him screaming, Ichigo would clear Z in its entirety.
Interesting video, but I do have some things to say (no offense). 1. There is a higher end scaling for Gojo's combat speed through his teleportation. Base off the original japanese text from JJK which is (瞬間移動/Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat and the fact that Sukuna was still able to keep up with him saids a lot about his speed. 2. There are three ways to scale Sukuna's strength and power. (Low-end scaling) In chapter 221 after Gojo was unsealed from the prison realm he finds himself 8,000 meters underwater in the "Japanese Trench" in the "Subduction Zone", and when he left and met up with Kenjaku he effortlessly created an earthquake that reached all the way to the "Saitama Prefecture" and the highest calculations for this feat puts it around island level. Sukuna not only scales to this but above it since he is stronger than Gojo who performed this feat. (Mid-end scaling) The durability/HP of JJK characters scales higher than their AP which is proven through "Black Flash" which in chapter 48 stated that impact of it is equal to a normal hit to the power of 2.5 which is insane. Example 1: Geto took a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the Disaster Curses but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town was so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high end scaling. (Numbers of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI) Small town level 4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level. Town level 2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level. Large town level 4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level. Keep in mind that Kenjaku who had possession of Geto's body was going to be killed by Gojo in one punch and Sukuna effortlessly dodged it, this tells us that Gojo and Sukuna's AP and durability/ HP scale extremely higher than the other JJK characters. Example 2: Hanami is comparable to Jogo in strength so she would be around small-city level and Yuji was able to keep up with her in their fight so he too would scale to it, thus Yuji's Black Flashes would be around darf star levels of AP and Hanami took five of them which by adding up be around small-star level and she was still able to keep on fighting after that. We all know Gojo would have been able to effortlessly one shot her without having to give it his all, and Sukuna is stronger than Gojo. (High-end scaling) In the "JJK S1 animation guide" stated that in the manga infinite void was depicted as a blank void with an expanding swath of the universe and the director Sunghoo Park wanted it to look more godly so he consulted Gege Akutami about it and he gave him some ideas which resulted in the final product, if the constructs of a domain scale to the one who cast them then this proves that both Gojo and Sukuna are universal. An example of this being the case would be in chapter 234 when Gojo used "Maximum Output: Blue" to destroy "Chimera Beast: Agito" who earlier in the chapter survived a Black Flash from Gojo, and while the Black Flash did tore a hole in its gut the shikigami was able to effortlessly heal from it where with the MO: Blue it wasn't able to do so. This tells us that both Gojo and Sukuna's maximum output of their techniques are not only able to match but surpass the output of a Black Flash. I'll leave it up to you to decide which one is most likely true.
@@deirdre9849 they would fall on the DB problem "multiversal, but he was knocked out by a tree" or the jjba problem "he can punch at the speed of light, can punch strong enough to break diamond and can stop time, therefore his geral speed is superior than light speed, all of the punches can break Diamond and time stop is completely invincible, therefore he is planetary level" I am exagerating common arguments that are used
Tbh, the Skuna body stealing is a good idea. Ginuy stole Goku's body but had no idea how to actually use his powers....making Ginyu's power level drop to about 23k. So unless we assume Skuna can actually use others' powers, Skuna would hard stop at the base non powered up version of whoevers body he steals. Considering Goku unpowered up was almost killed by a weak ki blast condensed into a lazor...it just wouldn't help Skuna much.
True, and remember than Ginyu was SKILLED in his craft, he had done body stealing god-knows how many times, and has also used KI a LOT. But, sukuna? CUrsed energy is nothing like KI!a nd sukuna's body-stealing technique is nowhere near as easy to do as Ginyu's.
He’s not getting past Dragon ball In King piccolos forces there was a opponent named “spike the Devil man.” His special attack is called the “devilmite beam” which instantly kills anyone that had evil in their soul.
See what you forgot to mention here is that gege would glaze sukuna to the point where he has equal stats to db characters when he uses his domain expansion, limitless glaze
thing about the heat resistance argument is that jogo used it to try to kill maki and she survived and shes also far less durable then 90 percent of the characters from DB alone so id think if Maki can survive Jogo Flames characters which are hundreds of times more durable then her should be able to do the same
In dragon ball, character gimmicks or unique abilities don't work if the user has a higher amount of ki than the mentioned character. This is how goku in kaio-ken x10 ssj blue could bypass hit's time skip. Considering that Sukuna is around big city level and master Roshi is already moon level back when he was introduced, Sukuna can't change bodies with literally anyone.
4:29 to be fair i think the characters are mostly reacting to the cursed energy spark rather than pure lightning itself, but you could argue those sparks dont apply to kashimo’s basic electric attack, since it isn’t a technique activation itself
with your hunter hunter video i suddenly ponder, how many people can beat themselves? like near perfect copies of themselves would they know how to fight themselves and outsmart something that knows their every move and way of thinking? (i am thinking dark link for lack of examples here, though it is a terrible example) or better yet can they beat their past selves or future selves?
@@ivoandjic2056 he immediately loses to any character with transformations in an equal stats matchup. Imagine you're fighting a guy with the exact capabilties you have but you're edging him (pause) in experience and winning then he just decides to get 50x stronger, then 100x stronger, then 400x stronger, then 1000x stronger, then 5000x stronger, then 100000x stronger. Yikes I'd cry.
@@ivoandjic2056 equal states bruh you cant equal states once someone scales over someone its over there is no equal states whats so ever is just for people to cope with thier fav character of hopes of winning
bro sakuna is legit city level, world cut while yes could be world level, master roshi still destroys bro, master roshi was a moon buster and then became a higher rank in the T.O.P, besides a saibamen kills bro because their at least planetary for they were used in nappas and vegetas planetary search to find goku from across the galaxy, and since yamcha was able to kill 2, bro sakuna gets absolutely rushed by dende the fact you made sakuna have to face beerus in the beginning is diabolical the only thing sakuna can do is activate domain expansion and pray it works, and even then domains don't work on those who do not posses cursed energy, and vegeta was able to overcome mind control from bibidi, also roshi isn't a mountain buster, he destroyed a moon in the 21st tenkachi, also a energy beam is literally heat radiated from energy put into an attack, and kid goku was able to handle that energy beam MANY times, and if we are going off of kid goku, sakuna gets carried by his speed + kid goku became faster than lightning, LIGHTning so kid goku absolutely destroys sakuna, + hopping bodies for sakuna wont work on anything above end dragon ball - tenth episode dragon ball z, he legit stops at before raditz
I know it’s a obscure fact. But ki attacks are made of plasma, and dragon ball characters that use it put a protective barrier around their bodies where the plasma is shot. So I’m not sure how that compares to the divine flame.
Not even that! They were blowing up moons and mountains since the World Tournaments. mahoraga may be able to adapt, but if he gets blasted with a moon-level kamehameha there's gonna be nothing to adapt FROM. PLUS sealing was a thing, so if sukuna goes all "Hahah, you are beating me up but I'll just heal!" THey can just seal him.
Sukuna have to steal Baby goku's Body so he wouldn't be suppressed and Devoured by body itself Almost all the characters after og dragon ball can defeat Sukuna with No diff The chance of Sukuna stealing body of goku or other skilled fighters is equals to Zero He has to steal their bodies when they were inexperienced, like kid goku But even then it's Really low chance of happening, it keeps decreasing until chance of stealing a body Just disappears World Slash isn't gonna work on characters after Time skip in the OG dragon ball Characters would just tank it And flame arrow is just Fire attack It's like comparing A lighter with Laser Ray Sukuna would reach 22 world tournament And would get defeated by King Piccolo or goku And he most likely would get sealed away by Master Roshi Cuz goku was moving Faster than Light itself with ease
Just cutting or destroying space does not make an attack negate durability, Dragon ball character’s are breaking space all the time with their attacks and I wouldn’t argue that they have durability negation, so I see no reason to argue that’s sukunas slash is duraneg.
i just have one major contingency with this video. sukuna taking over people’s bodies isn’t that easy. he did it to megumi because of the "enchain" vow him and yuji had at the beginning of the story. on top of that, he needed to force feed a finger into megumi’s mouth. i’m sure in early early dragon ball sukuna would find a way to make it work, as he speed blitzes and outscales. however, once you get to the 21st world tournament and onward, unless sukuna knows who’s stronger, he’s not gonna be able to force feed someone without getting one tapped.
8:17 forgetting the moon destruction feat Which wasn't an outlier, it was canon, manwolf even comes around to make it a plot point, it's maximally canon, and that was a roshi whi was nothing compared to OLD king Piccolo, youthful king piccolo was most definitely a planet buster, bare minimum mars or mercury if you want to extremely lowball him and he was much weaker than Piccolo junior 8:25 okay good, really weird to mention tiny insignificant mountains when hes a moon buster 9:25 that's ignoring the inherent hax resistance characters get at that power in dragon ball, they'd just resist the devilmite beam Perhaps Namek Freiza would die because his sheer evil makes up the difference in power but cell would survive and just get stronger at best 11:20 Kai-enhanced viruses The Kais created life, Friezas potential for example, so it's a different story to real viruses and bacteria Although viruses aren't alive but we can logically assume the kais made them in a way that allows them to be more lifelike than real viruses or more anti-life like perhaps would be a better way to put it 15:06 okay good disclaimer 💯
Honestly, he wouldn't even leave DB, much less DBZ. DBZ may not me like those insanely overpowed Xeele and Time Lords and whatnot, but they were blowing up moons and mountains back in DB. He may get out of it alive due to his insane hax, but by the moment he reaches DBZ where vegeta alone could blow up the planet he's cooked. Mahoraga is strong but if he gets hit by a moon-level kamehameha he won't get a chance to adapt, or if he just gets punched to death. it won't be a good time for sukunak and he is seriously going to get humbled.
Db characters do mind training right? So couldn’t they just beat sukuna up in their mind when he tries to take their body? Like when yuji tried to fight sukuna at the start of the series
Not just mind training. DBZ characters also have incredibly powerful souls. Nearly the entire Z roster had their body and souls trained in other world when they died, so Sukuna wouldn't be able to do anything on that department either.
This man is a Sukuna meatrider fr . Roshi would destroy Sukuna . If Yuji can kill Sukuna then Roshi and others will manhandle him with no difficulties.
@TheSaladBar I believe that sukuna stops earlier than teen Goku, but I'm just gonna quickly scale teen Goku as it's a good jump in power from kid Goku, and sukuna is just cooked at this point. So basically Master roshi can destroy a moon but also in guidebooks it's stated that he can power entire stars. This would put teen Goku around solar system attack potency. Why? Beacouse in the fight with Piccolo he is wounded so badly thet he barely stands with a hole in him and can't even use arms to attack. Yet he defeats Piccolo who states he's 1000 stronger than all of them combined (kami, roshi, yajirobe, tien, kuririn, chaoz). Kami 3 years earlier flicked Goku away. The same Goku who killed king Piccolo. That was so much stronger than the likes of roshi, that roshi belived even with ears of training he wouldn't stand a chance. Keep in mind roshi can power stars with Kamehameha. So basically: Roshi
one thing I wanted to say is salad the fight with kashimo showcased Sukunas battle Iq because he wasnt dodging lighning purely he was predicting it and moving before hand but were wanking him so meh
I think people underestimate light-speed, like if you're traveling faster than that you are traveling through time itself. So saying X person is faster than light is stupid because if they are then they can beat anyone, especially since they have mass they're literally also creating black-holes.
Brokuna would get stomped by Master Roshi if he fires a moon busting Kamehameha at him and it actually lands. Most of these attacks are light speed which is way too fast for Sukuna to actually react. If he manages to kill Master Roshi then Sukuna stops at Demon King Piccolo.
Also will you stop the Sukuna Glazing.💀 Sukuna ain’t passing Saiyan Saga and wouldn’t even make it to Cell Games Saga. Even if the World Slash ignores Durability which is no where actually stated and it speculation. Oh yeah let’s ignore the speed feats of most characters and if we do talk about them then let’s downplay them. A singular Saiyana saga character could just fire a singular ki blast at Sukuna before he could even react and would be absolutely evaporated.
I think that the mafuba will work on Sukuna since it worked on zamasu and frost, since i dont think he'll go to do destory the bottle/container off rip they could definitely catch him off guard the first time since he won’t know anything about it
Auras man. Auras. Sukuna’s entire weakness was him not being able to surpass infinity and most db characters have an aura that you need a certain amount of power to them to even bypass. He would literally run into another infinity issue and need to rely on world slash See: Beast Gohan’s Aura tank Cell max punch
For me he stops at Kid Goku the one that fought Piccolo daimaoh (I Guess the world cut could harm him assuming it bypass durability but i dont see Sukunas domain working since at this point Goku is too resistent). At This point Goku dodged lazers and some of Piccolo daimaohs moves was actual light speed attacks (Even before Goku could ftl. since he dodged a Lazer Beam from a robot and even Tiens solar flare. which solar flare becomes faster the stronger tha user is so you could argue that solar flare was even faster than light) Gojo could go further just because of his infinity even then there was some statements in the manga that ''could'' let Goku bypass it but i digress. Goku can already tank attacks that can pulverize the moon i dont think this heat thing is all that great. Shock surprise is actual eletricity btw. yamcha explained it episode 27 Classic db
"You should be careful kid, I'm FTL AF right now!" Fraudkuna "Oh, so I guess I should be using my REAL power and not my tournament power, huh?" 22nd BT Chadku
Wait wouldn't sukuna die no matter what during either the namek cell or buu saga individually if he body swaps wrong and even if by some super glaze hail mary he swaps up until the buu saga if he isnt in goku vegetas or satans body he dies no matter what at least twice over once from the human extinction attack and another from kid buu popping the planet
In the broly movie, goku and broly fight in lava in the earths core, which is 5,200 degress celsius or 9,392 degrees farenheight! Granted Goku was using ssjblue but I still think goku is just too strong!
LET HIM COOK ! 🔥 oh do the gauntlet run for a few more anime - Jojo, Naruto, One Piece Although in One piece one is definitely gonna be the most interesting
Uhm.... I don't get the part that you said sukuna can possess people but... How he will do that if he is on full power? I mean theres no fingers left to possess someone💀🔵🫸🫷🔴🫴🟣
@@Sukunover Not really tbh. The chance of that working is one in a million and even if it did, he would still get clapped by the other fighters in DB just jumping him.
I feel like the argument that Sukuna can take over other people's bodies via cursed fingers wouldn't work against Buu, since he's a magical creature with full control over his body, and Baby in GT literally tried this shit on him and failed, so he'd probably just spit the finger back out
Or turn it to chocolate. Though Vegito shows that transformed persons are still ensouled in the candy so that might not destroy Sukuna but makes him a lot more meltable.
@kaystruenoo True, but KI also stops or weakens hax if used on you, so with enough KI Goku probably can block even a world cutting slash or a domain expansion. Vegito is just like that.
Imagine using the established power system to your advantage...instead of gaining some random power up because the story "demands it" you're able to push what the author of your verse already made common knowledge...no your right it's an "ass pull"
@@G.LD.he fried his brain and can't use Domain expansion. He took a full Jacobs ladder. And then used ANOTHER DOMAIN EXPANSION!!!!! While being weakened by 8 black flash yuji strike. Which should have made it so the buff from his Black flash went away. Now he's using another one last chapter.... You riding his meat more than gege
@@G.LD. the problem with this from any side is that it gives op boosts in which we most of the time don't know the counterpart of it/the counterpart is way too easy to compensate. Maybe next chapter Sukuna will make a binding vow in which Gojo and Yuta were never born to begin with in exchange for Sukuna to lose a single hair
@alfieclark5390 plus give him free access to learn body change. He would have to be stopped before meeting someone like Beerus. Although I imagine if that happened Whis would just reverse time and then beerus would insta hakai him with no playing.
Yep. We have to for this to be half as long as it is. It's also why we had to scale Sukuna to lightspeed for him to even stand a chance. Not a bad video, but I wish the "glazing" section started a lot earlier.
@@toothclon though if it's in character I don't think Roshi would aim a Kamehameha that destructive right at Sukuna when he's in a crowded tournament arena
One thing i disagree with is that sukuna outspeeds the 22nd world tournament characters. Goku was able to run to roshi, take his sun glasses, and use them to negate rhe solar flare technique. All that movement occurring AFTER it was fired. Meaning goku and those at that level and beyond were all massively faster than light
I haven’t watched DB in a while but Goku managed to beat a famous martial artist and actor in a couple of punches that were so fast the crowd believed it was a single punch thrown.
>wanks sukuna to ftl >doesn't realize db characters are ftl since red ribbon army/ 22 tenkaichi budokai Sukuna stops at full power roshi or 22 tenkaichi goku / tenshinhan
Yeah. I haven’t watched DB in a while but I do recall Goku fighting a famous actor and taking him out in a couple hits that were so fast it appeared to the entire crowd as being a single punch.
@@jpackgaming9193king piccolo is stronger than roshi who is moon level and relativistic sakuna has to be wanked to island level and there’s no speed feats putting him relativistic and mach 3 is considered fast in jjk
Why is everybody keep ignoring things like Goku dodging a laser beam from general Black. These kinds of videos are full of assumptions, so Goku being light speed as early on as the RR army arc is completely valid. Also, ki attacks with the ability not only to destroy stuff but vaporize them seems hot enough in my book. This seems like a lot of misinterpretation (or maybe biased) towards presented characters
@@nombie1760 absolutely nothing, you are spot on. kid goku also outran tenshinhan's solar flare at 23rd world tournament. y'know, a literal stated beam of light
My issue in the Fanfiction section is that it's assuming Sukuna could over power their soul. Which if it's even Saiyan Saga Goku his body and soul are connected to each other. Meaning Sukuna still has to fight Goku for control.
Yeah, Babidi was the most powerfull sorcerer in dbz verse and vegeta had to let babidi control him, and even then he just shrugged babidis mind control off and said, fuck this, I just want to fight Goku. Even when a saiyan let himself be controled he is NOT controled, I dont think people aknowledge how powerfull the sayans minds are with those fanfics, they always use some mind trick as a weapon against saiyans as if they are just strong brainless dudes.
@@danielsepulveda5852 Even if they supress Sukuna, they can't actually expel his soul out of their bodies without killing themselves first. Sukuna's soul will always be there, supressed in the depths of your body, and the moment you grow too weak to resist he'll take over. Sooner or later he'll get control. Sukuna is no stranger to biding his time. Dude waited 1000 years to be incarnated again.
Sometime you might want to consider. Ki attacks are pure heat. I think gohan tries to cook something with a blast during the cell saga but ends up burning it, like, not pulverized, it gets burnt, so it's safe to assume that if a character can handle a ki blast capable of making the moon explode then they can handle a level of heat necessary to do that, to make an example
9:16 King of Curses Sukuna "Legendary Existence" or "Inhuman Deeds" Category Ki+4 and HP, ATK & DEF +150%; plus an additional HP, ATK & DEF +20% for characters who also belong to the "Crossover" Category
The King of Curses Ryomen Sukuna “Storied Figures”, “Inhuman Deeds” or “Legendary Existence” Category Ki +4 and HP, ATK & DEF +170%, plus an additional HP, ATK & DEF +30% for characters who also belong to the “Gifted Warriors” or “Crossover” Category
If Sukuna fought Beerus he would have to come to the terrifying realization that Beerus is glazed by Toyotaro more then Gege glazes him
But would you lose? Nah Id Glaze
The most glazed in history vs the most glazed of today
@@fkeyae4217 👑
Lmao pure facts 😂
I’m sorry no one glazes like Gege glazes Sakuna I mean in the dragon ball super anime they made berus into a joke Gege would never do that to Sakuna
"Sukuna could make it through the Saiyan arc if everyone just stands still and lets him cut them in half."
Legendary video
lmfao facts
I don’t like light speed sukuna, the three obvious things people will say to the kashimo em waves thing would be:
1. He was aim dodging
2. EM waves are only light speed in a vacuum
3. “If I can dodge a ball moving at 100 mph does that make me 100mph”
All these arguments work well enough to debunk it for me. But the real thing that makes me hesitant to say he’s light speed, is that it would tear JJK scaling apart at the seams.
If Sukuna is light speed than a bunch of people become WAY faster than we know they are. In the fight after his fight with kashimo people like Itadori, Maki, Kusakabe, ETC are atleast keeping up with sukuna.
That along with the three more obvious reasons listed above, generally has me keeping sukuna at island level and somewhere in the massively hypersonic ranges.
I know you said you’d make a video addressing one of the claims I made, but until it comes out I don’t know how to justify lightspeed sukuna
Island level is wayy to high. City at best. Domain scaling is illogical.
Island lvl??? Where is this coming from?? Is it from the domain thing that one fish guy did???
If so, then it ISN'T island lvl by your standards, its STAR lvl, because in his domain, a sun was just up there 😂😂
Not to mention the backgrounds in domains don't really exist in a natural way, so you can't scale them via creation feats.
Sukuna is a literally kid goku victim he dosent make it to dbz☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
Sukuna FTL is already glazing
My guess is not very far.
So this entire video is base off extreme high ball sukuna speed, and “ignore durability” dismantle 💀
Not letting him have ten shadows was a huge nerf 😭 even tho you’re being accurate, given the fact this is a db gauntlet one of the strongest anime verses, I would have given him anything at his disposal 😅. Even hypothetically.
I'd give him the Saiyan brain-cancer ray gun and even then I wouldn't have high hopes
Bro got ftl for a reason which isnt correct and ignores all speed feats db characters displayed in db. He got more than he should
@@Haispawnerjokes on you dbs goku doesn’t have a brain
If he was able to train like Krillin, Tien, etc, he could become very powerful. Given he has resources like Guru unlocking his potential, the dragon balls, the hyperbolic time chamber etc, I'm confident he could eventually become a Frieza level threat
Knowing sukuna he might just wish on the dragon balls to be as strong as a saiyan
@@lebrondavis1420 raditz was a saiyan too lol
@@Pinicle_of_evolution raditz? Really? Be honest with yourself if you were sukuna who would you choose to try to take over goku or raditz?
@@lebrondavis1420 shenron might pull a silly if sukuna just wishes for the body of a saiyan
@@Pinicle_of_evolution shenron would be the ultimate troll for that lmao but seriously sukuna would definitely be banking on someone eating his fingers if not that doesn’t work out shenron is his next option
bro must've forgot about goku and broly fighting in lava....
“Ah yes my nuh uh technique I haven’t used this since the Heian era”
forget dbz, ichigo alone can solo him
TYBW True Zanpakuto Ichigo is on the level of top tiers in the Buu Saga lmao. He clears a vast majority of Z.
*Hinamori
@@sageoverheaven let’s relax now you got to much dip on your chip
@@joshawnthabeast I'm plenty relaxed lmao. TYBW anime showed Senjumaru's mere bankai release shaking the entire cosmology. It's a Buuhan level feat-heck, if DB Kai didn't canonise that Anime Original scene of him screaming, Ichigo would clear Z in its entirety.
Interesting video, but I do have some things to say (no offense).
1. There is a higher end scaling for Gojo's combat speed through his teleportation. Base off the original japanese text from JJK which is (瞬間移動/Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat and the fact that Sukuna was still able to keep up with him saids a lot about his speed.
2. There are three ways to scale Sukuna's strength and power.
(Low-end scaling)
In chapter 221 after Gojo was unsealed from the prison realm he finds himself 8,000 meters underwater in the "Japanese Trench" in the "Subduction Zone", and when he left and met up with Kenjaku he effortlessly created an earthquake that reached all the way to the "Saitama Prefecture" and the highest calculations for this feat puts it around island level. Sukuna not only scales to this but above it since he is stronger than Gojo who performed this feat.
(Mid-end scaling)
The durability/HP of JJK characters scales higher than their AP which is proven through "Black Flash" which in chapter 48 stated that impact of it is equal to a normal hit to the power of 2.5 which is insane.
Example 1: Geto took a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the Disaster Curses but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town was so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high end scaling.
(Numbers of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI)
Small town level
4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level.
Town level
2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level.
Large town level
4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level.
Keep in mind that Kenjaku who had possession of Geto's body was going to be killed by Gojo in one punch and Sukuna effortlessly dodged it, this tells us that Gojo and Sukuna's AP and durability/ HP scale extremely higher than the other JJK characters.
Example 2: Hanami is comparable to Jogo in strength so she would be around small-city level and Yuji was able to keep up with her in their fight so he too would scale to it, thus Yuji's Black Flashes would be around darf star levels of AP and Hanami took five of them which by adding up be around small-star level and she was still able to keep on fighting after that. We all know Gojo would have been able to effortlessly one shot her without having to give it his all, and Sukuna is stronger than Gojo.
(High-end scaling)
In the "JJK S1 animation guide" stated that in the manga infinite void was depicted as a blank void with an expanding swath of the universe and the director Sunghoo Park wanted it to look more godly so he consulted Gege Akutami about it and he gave him some ideas which resulted in the final product, if the constructs of a domain scale to the one who cast them then this proves that both Gojo and Sukuna are universal.
An example of this being the case would be in chapter 234 when Gojo used "Maximum Output: Blue" to destroy "Chimera Beast: Agito" who earlier in the chapter survived a Black Flash from Gojo, and while the Black Flash did tore a hole in its gut the shikigami was able to effortlessly heal from it where with the MO: Blue it wasn't able to do so. This tells us that both Gojo and Sukuna's maximum output of their techniques are not only able to match but surpass the output of a Black Flash.
I'll leave it up to you to decide which one is most likely true.
Wow... just wow...
I don't know about this Gojo and Sukuna being universal, but great analysis
I'm all for Sukuna and Gojo being universal, to be honest
@@deirdre9849 they would fall on the DB problem "multiversal, but he was knocked out by a tree" or the jjba problem "he can punch at the speed of light, can punch strong enough to break diamond and can stop time, therefore his geral speed is superior than light speed, all of the punches can break Diamond and time stop is completely invincible, therefore he is planetary level"
I am exagerating common arguments that are used
@@SeiVinRen it’s really hard to scale certain verses and characters tbh
@@rinnerebirth1171 indeed, I guess worst than that it's scaling comic characters
Tbh, the Skuna body stealing is a good idea. Ginuy stole Goku's body but had no idea how to actually use his powers....making Ginyu's power level drop to about 23k. So unless we assume Skuna can actually use others' powers, Skuna would hard stop at the base non powered up version of whoevers body he steals. Considering Goku unpowered up was almost killed by a weak ki blast condensed into a lazor...it just wouldn't help Skuna much.
True, and remember than Ginyu was SKILLED in his craft, he had done body stealing god-knows how many times, and has also used KI a LOT. But, sukuna? CUrsed energy is nothing like KI!a nd sukuna's body-stealing technique is nowhere near as easy to do as Ginyu's.
The jjk glaze is crazy
GeGe has Lotion and Tissues set up for the Glaze Session you put Sukuna through.
He’s not getting past Dragon ball
In King piccolos forces there was a opponent named “spike the Devil man.” His special attack is called the “devilmite beam” which instantly kills anyone that had evil in their soul.
See what you forgot to mention here is that gege would glaze sukuna to the point where he has equal stats to db characters when he uses his domain expansion, limitless glaze
Gets pressed by Yamcha. Stopped cold by Krillin.
you know its a tough sell when the contender has to be at peak before the first fight
Captain Ginyu called. Body theft is his job
Mafuuba was used in the final tournament of super, I doubt he could dodge it
thing about the heat resistance argument is that jogo used it to try to kill maki and she survived and shes also far less durable then 90 percent of the characters from DB alone so id think if Maki can survive Jogo Flames characters which are hundreds of times more durable then her should be able to do the same
In dragon ball, character gimmicks or unique abilities don't work if the user has a higher amount of ki than the mentioned character. This is how goku in kaio-ken x10 ssj blue could bypass hit's time skip. Considering that Sukuna is around big city level and master Roshi is already moon level back when he was introduced, Sukuna can't change bodies with literally anyone.
He would stop at like the first episode ever of dragon ball, if we're talking about raw power, speed and strength.
The glazing is CRAZY.
4:29 to be fair i think the characters are mostly reacting to the cursed energy spark rather than pure lightning itself, but you could argue those sparks dont apply to kashimo’s basic electric attack, since it isn’t a technique activation itself
2 videos in one day less goo
13:19 the necrozma theme is always awesome
with your hunter hunter video i suddenly ponder, how many people can beat themselves? like near perfect copies of themselves would they know how to fight themselves and outsmart something that knows their every move and way of thinking? (i am thinking dark link for lack of examples here, though it is a terrible example) or better yet can they beat their past selves or future selves?
Equal stats makes this more fair
Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the gauntlet?
@@loganreidy7055 Well it would be a diffrent type of gauntlet
@@loganreidy7055 I want to know how others compare Sukuna's batlle IQ to dragon ball characters and a equal stats fight would be amazing
@@ivoandjic2056 he immediately loses to any character with transformations in an equal stats matchup. Imagine you're fighting a guy with the exact capabilties you have but you're edging him (pause) in experience and winning then he just decides to get 50x stronger, then 100x stronger, then 400x stronger, then 1000x stronger, then 5000x stronger, then 100000x stronger. Yikes I'd cry.
@@ivoandjic2056 equal states bruh you cant equal states once someone scales over someone its over there is no equal states whats so ever is just for people to cope with thier fav character of hopes of winning
bro sakuna is legit city level, world cut while yes could be world level, master roshi still destroys bro, master roshi was a moon buster and then became a higher rank in the T.O.P, besides a saibamen kills bro because their at least planetary for they were used in nappas and vegetas planetary search to find goku from across the galaxy, and since yamcha was able to kill 2, bro sakuna gets absolutely rushed by dende
the fact you made sakuna have to face beerus in the beginning is diabolical the only thing sakuna can do is activate domain expansion and pray it works, and even then domains don't work on those who do not posses cursed energy, and vegeta was able to overcome mind control from bibidi, also roshi isn't a mountain buster, he destroyed a moon in the 21st tenkachi, also a energy beam is literally heat radiated from energy put into an attack, and kid goku was able to handle that energy beam MANY times, and if we are going off of kid goku, sakuna gets carried by his speed + kid goku became faster than lightning, LIGHTning so kid goku absolutely destroys sakuna, + hopping bodies for sakuna wont work on anything above end dragon ball - tenth episode dragon ball z, he legit stops at before raditz
I know it’s a obscure fact. But ki attacks are made of plasma, and dragon ball characters that use it put a protective barrier around their bodies where the plasma is shot. So I’m not sure how that compares to the divine flame.
not going past the Saiyan saga
Not even that! They were blowing up moons and mountains since the World Tournaments. mahoraga may be able to adapt, but if he gets blasted with a moon-level kamehameha there's gonna be nothing to adapt FROM. PLUS sealing was a thing, so if sukuna goes all "Hahah, you are beating me up but I'll just heal!" THey can just seal him.
Even sayain saga is a huge stretch
Sukuna's world cutting slash, vs Krillin's world cutting disk???
Sukuna have to steal Baby goku's Body so he wouldn't be suppressed and Devoured by body itself
Almost all the characters after og dragon ball can defeat Sukuna with No diff
The chance of Sukuna stealing body of goku or other skilled fighters is equals to Zero
He has to steal their bodies when they were inexperienced, like kid goku
But even then it's Really low chance of happening, it keeps decreasing until chance of stealing a body Just disappears
World Slash isn't gonna work on characters after Time skip in the OG dragon ball
Characters would just tank it
And flame arrow is just Fire attack
It's like comparing A lighter with Laser Ray
Sukuna would reach 22 world tournament
And would get defeated by King Piccolo or goku
And he most likely would get sealed away by Master Roshi
Cuz goku was moving Faster than Light itself with ease
Can you do this with the mha vers instead of dbz
Man loved the video, but I think there is one mistake : sukunas world slash isn’t duraneg.
Just cutting or destroying space does not make an attack negate durability, Dragon ball character’s are breaking space all the time with their attacks and I wouldn’t argue that they have durability negation, so I see no reason to argue that’s sukunas slash is duraneg.
But I think it’s fair to give sukuna the duraneg for the world slash or else he wouldn’t last very long, any case very interesting video.
The roshi sealing technique would get him early on and he loves to fight so ape goku vs sukuna and as he is about to use his domain seal him
All fun and games until nappa arives
i just have one major contingency with this video. sukuna taking over people’s bodies isn’t that easy. he did it to megumi because of the "enchain" vow him and yuji had at the beginning of the story. on top of that, he needed to force feed a finger into megumi’s mouth. i’m sure in early early dragon ball sukuna would find a way to make it work, as he speed blitzes and outscales. however, once you get to the 21st world tournament and onward, unless sukuna knows who’s stronger, he’s not gonna be able to force feed someone without getting one tapped.
A thought. I think it would be neat to try and scale Garou from One Punch Man to JJK. While similar to Yujiro in some ways, he has his own sauce too.
This guy is glazing more than gege
Got genuinely jumpscared by andy
Remember that base vegeta when he first appeared had blown up a planet.
8:17 forgetting the moon destruction feat
Which wasn't an outlier, it was canon, manwolf even comes around to make it a plot point, it's maximally canon, and that was a roshi whi was nothing compared to OLD king Piccolo, youthful king piccolo was most definitely a planet buster, bare minimum mars or mercury if you want to extremely lowball him and he was much weaker than Piccolo junior
8:25 okay good, really weird to mention tiny insignificant mountains when hes a moon buster
9:25 that's ignoring the inherent hax resistance characters get at that power in dragon ball, they'd just resist the devilmite beam
Perhaps Namek Freiza would die because his sheer evil makes up the difference in power but cell would survive and just get stronger at best
11:20 Kai-enhanced viruses
The Kais created life, Friezas potential for example, so it's a different story to real viruses and bacteria
Although viruses aren't alive but we can logically assume the kais made them in a way that allows them to be more lifelike than real viruses or more anti-life like perhaps would be a better way to put it
15:06 okay good disclaimer 💯
They move at lightspeed in a vacuum, so it's definitely a highball
Ahh another Salad Bar classic
Honestly, he wouldn't even leave DB, much less DBZ. DBZ may not me like those insanely overpowed Xeele and Time Lords and whatnot, but they were blowing up moons and mountains back in DB. He may get out of it alive due to his insane hax, but by the moment he reaches DBZ where vegeta alone could blow up the planet he's cooked. Mahoraga is strong but if he gets hit by a moon-level kamehameha he won't get a chance to adapt, or if he just gets punched to death. it won't be a good time for sukunak and he is seriously going to get humbled.
Db characters do mind training right? So couldn’t they just beat sukuna up in their mind when he tries to take their body? Like when yuji tried to fight sukuna at the start of the series
Not just mind training. DBZ characters also have incredibly powerful souls. Nearly the entire Z roster had their body and souls trained in other world when they died, so Sukuna wouldn't be able to do anything on that department either.
Sukuna is sadly not even shotgun farmer level 😔
If you thought I was dead-ass you might need some of the screws in your noggin to be tightened
Large city level fodder gets stomped by OG dragon ball master roshi
This man is a Sukuna meatrider fr . Roshi would destroy Sukuna . If Yuji can kill Sukuna then Roshi and others will manhandle him with no difficulties.
7:55 someya theme goes hard🔥🔥
@TheSaladBar
I believe that sukuna stops earlier than teen Goku, but I'm just gonna quickly scale teen Goku as it's a good jump in power from kid Goku, and sukuna is just cooked at this point.
So basically Master roshi can destroy a moon but also in guidebooks it's stated that he can power entire stars.
This would put teen Goku around solar system attack potency.
Why? Beacouse in the fight with Piccolo he is wounded so badly thet he barely stands with a hole in him and can't even use arms to attack.
Yet he defeats Piccolo who states he's 1000 stronger than all of them combined (kami, roshi, yajirobe, tien, kuririn, chaoz).
Kami 3 years earlier flicked Goku away.
The same Goku who killed king Piccolo. That was so much stronger than the likes of roshi, that roshi belived even with ears of training he wouldn't stand a chance.
Keep in mind roshi can power stars with Kamehameha.
So basically:
Roshi
one thing I wanted to say is salad the fight with kashimo showcased Sukunas battle Iq because he wasnt dodging lighning purely he was predicting it and moving before hand but were wanking him so meh
I think people underestimate light-speed, like if you're traveling faster than that you are traveling through time itself. So saying X person is faster than light is stupid because if they are then they can beat anyone, especially since they have mass they're literally also creating black-holes.
Brokuna would get stomped by Master Roshi if he fires a moon busting Kamehameha at him and it actually lands. Most of these attacks are light speed which is way too fast for Sukuna to actually react. If he manages to kill Master Roshi then Sukuna stops at Demon King Piccolo.
Also will you stop the Sukuna Glazing.💀 Sukuna ain’t passing Saiyan Saga and wouldn’t even make it to Cell Games Saga. Even if the World Slash ignores Durability which is no where actually stated and it speculation. Oh yeah let’s ignore the speed feats of most characters and if we do talk about them then let’s downplay them. A singular Saiyana saga character could just fire a singular ki blast at Sukuna before he could even react and would be absolutely evaporated.
@@Mr.Arcade10 then still holding back Sukuna then saying Goku nani how impossible ar u holding back? nah I'd back shoot
Sukuna glazers, aka olympic level mental gymnasts
I think that the mafuba will work on Sukuna since it worked on zamasu and frost, since i dont think he'll go to do destory the bottle/container off rip they could definitely catch him off guard the first time since he won’t know anything about it
Auras man. Auras. Sukuna’s entire weakness was him not being able to surpass infinity and most db characters have an aura that you need a certain amount of power to them to even bypass. He would literally run into another infinity issue and need to rely on world slash
See: Beast Gohan’s Aura tank Cell max punch
For me he stops at Kid Goku the one that fought Piccolo daimaoh (I Guess the world cut could harm him assuming it bypass durability but i dont see Sukunas domain working since at this point Goku is too resistent).
At This point Goku dodged lazers and some of Piccolo daimaohs moves was actual light speed attacks (Even before Goku could ftl. since he dodged a Lazer Beam from a robot and even Tiens solar flare. which solar flare becomes faster the stronger tha user is so you could argue that solar flare was even faster than light)
Gojo could go further just because of his infinity even then there was some statements in the manga that ''could'' let Goku bypass it but i digress.
Goku can already tank attacks that can pulverize the moon i dont think this heat thing is all that great.
Shock surprise is actual eletricity btw. yamcha explained it episode 27 Classic db
Ngl, you should make jjk what ifs
If this was realistic and canon, he getting stomped out by vegita in the saiyan saga
Bro glazing sukuna so much
Hes slopping and bouncing on it 💀
How is he glazing?
@@RobloxianBalIer theres literally a section of him being self-aware in the video
@@Sinfol pretty sure that's just a gag not meant to be taken seriously
@@RobloxianBalIer its still glazing satire or not im done with this.
saiyan saga anime vegeta one shots
freaking master roshi solos with his mountain and moon busting attacks.
That boy Zeno would erase him before he gets the chance 😭😂
I always thought that your body needs to be compatible to Sakuna's cursed energy/finger.
imagine sukuna feeding zeno his finger XDD
"You should be careful kid, I'm FTL AF right now!" Fraudkuna
"Oh, so I guess I should be using my REAL power and not my tournament power, huh?" 22nd BT Chadku
I fill like you should make a what if, that jjk and dragon ball are in the same universe like your old mha and dragon ball videos
Wait wouldn't sukuna die no matter what during either the namek cell or buu saga individually if he body swaps wrong and even if by some super glaze hail mary he swaps up until the buu saga if he isnt in goku vegetas or satans body he dies no matter what at least twice over once from the human extinction attack and another from kid buu popping the planet
In the broly movie, goku and broly fight in lava in the earths core, which is 5,200 degress celsius or 9,392 degrees farenheight! Granted Goku was using ssjblue but I still think goku is just too strong!
Bro does not make it to the budokai tournament
People getting mad because the video designed specifically to wank and glaze sukuna wanks and glazes sukuna lol
I dont think sukuna making it past 1st form frieza due to him being a planet buster in that form alone
ki barrier🤲🤲[mafuba stops the target from moving fyi]
Any DB character blows up planet automatic win
LET HIM COOK ! 🔥
oh do the gauntlet run for a few more anime - Jojo, Naruto, One Piece
Although in One piece one is definitely gonna be the most interesting
to take control of a body someone has to eat a sukuna finger right
so he rips them off and throws them into the characters mouths i guess
Uhm.... I don't get the part that you said sukuna can possess people but... How he will do that if he is on full power? I mean theres no fingers left to possess someone💀🔵🫸🫷🔴🫴🟣
Can't wait for what if goku landed in new mexico part 69 where he gets betrayed and trapped in the time chamber by kid named finger
Gojo return
Dark souls reference
Then he buys the kid after they are sold into slavery, becoming Sukuna's Finger
"Every man couldn't have seen the same video!" Goku gets betrayed and trapped in the HTC:🗿
"Come outside bro, we promise we won't jump you." ahh thumbnail 😂.
Sukuna Backshotting
@@Sukunover Sukuna loses to the lowest low tiers in the verse
@@kaystruenoo Video says otherwise
@@mr.leorio7148 The video is wrong
@@kaystruenoo u sure ur not just glazing db?
"Ah yes, my Anti Goku Technique. I haven't had to use this since the Heian Era."
You’re here too? Real…
@@TheSaladBar Any salad membership gets recommended and my bank account starts speaking like the green goblin mask
“Idgaf if that mf had a ability called "beat goku" that let him instantly beat Goku no matter what
He still ain't beating goku”
These never get old 😂
@@ermlmaofinger trick gg
"throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the screwed one"
-Sukuna teleported to db
DB you mean
He solos if finger trick works
@@Sukunover Not really tbh. The chance of that working is one in a million and even if it did, he would still get clapped by the other fighters in DB just jumping him.
@@Sukunover that ain't doing shit
111 👍
I feel like the argument that Sukuna can take over other people's bodies via cursed fingers wouldn't work against Buu, since he's a magical creature with full control over his body, and Baby in GT literally tried this shit on him and failed, so he'd probably just spit the finger back out
Or turn it to chocolate. Though Vegito shows that transformed persons are still ensouled in the candy so that might not destroy Sukuna but makes him a lot more meltable.
@@if7723 Vegito shows that he was just so powerful he negged some of the beam's properties. Only his physical form changed but he kept all his stats.
@kaystruenoo True, but KI also stops or weakens hax if used on you, so with enough KI Goku probably can block even a world cutting slash or a domain expansion. Vegito is just like that.
"Nah I'd make binding vows"
-Binding vow merchant, sukuna
Imagine using the established power system to your advantage...instead of gaining some random power up because the story "demands it" you're able to push what the author of your verse already made common knowledge...no your right it's an "ass pull"
@@G.LD.he fried his brain and can't use Domain expansion. He took a full Jacobs ladder. And then used ANOTHER DOMAIN EXPANSION!!!!! While being weakened by 8 black flash yuji strike. Which should have made it so the buff from his Black flash went away. Now he's using another one last chapter.... You riding his meat more than gege
@@G.LD.facts
🤓☝️@@G.LD.
@@G.LD. the problem with this from any side is that it gives op boosts in which we most of the time don't know the counterpart of it/the counterpart is way too easy to compensate. Maybe next chapter Sukuna will make a binding vow in which Gojo and Yuta were never born to begin with in exchange for Sukuna to lose a single hair
Imagine him tricking ginyu to eat his finger, giving him access to body change.
Is would be so broken and yet the best uno reverse
@alfieclark5390 plus give him free access to learn body change. He would have to be stopped before meeting someone like Beerus.
Although I imagine if that happened Whis would just reverse time and then beerus would insta hakai him with no playing.
@@alfieclark5390sukuna solos dbz then
Assuming he can take over aliens.
Ginyu (having been in different many times) should have the strength to keep sukuna in
.....we're not ignoring Goku outrunning the Solar Flare, literally a burst of light, when fighting Tien.
Yep. We have to for this to be half as long as it is. It's also why we had to scale Sukuna to lightspeed for him to even stand a chance. Not a bad video, but I wish the "glazing" section started a lot earlier.
Not to mention him dodging heat beams in RR saga.
@@Agent-57 To be fair those are a bit more debatable being lasers. But they act like them so it's also viable in my book.
Dragon Ball being LightSpeed before Z gets heavily contradicted by Dyspo’s entire existence so yes, ignore the joke scene
@PALWolfOS And Sukuna being lightspeed is contradicted by... There being no lightspeed feats. Yet here we are.
RUNNN SUKUNA YOU'RE NOT EVEN 23RD WORLD TOURNAMENT CHIAZU LEVEL!
Probably not even Jackie Chun level, as he blew up the damn moon.
Ngl he should stop at 23rd world tournament
@@SillyWilly_89 thanks you for saying something smart
I have never seen so much sukuna glazing
@@MountainMemelord jackie chun is master roshi brother
*Gokuna forces his finger into cells mouth*
Cell: ugh that's rancid wtf "spits it out"
Giving sukuna light speed combat and movement as a consistent feat is wildly highball and his most non-consistent feat
How else would he make the video interestingndont want it to end too quick
it's like saying that the real life bruce lee could move at the speed of sound 😭
I think you glazed this man more than Gege does
I always glaze the character of discussion in these videos 🫡🫡🫡
@@TheSaladBardb is too strong without glazing sukuna hed lose at Frieza 😭
@@Ichi-BroFirst tournament Roshi or Goku that's a highball
@@ThomasAlexander-r3k literally, fp roshi in the first tournament destroyed the moon alr, theres no fking way sukuna is making it out of db saga
@@toothclon though if it's in character I don't think Roshi would aim a Kamehameha that destructive right at Sukuna when he's in a crowded tournament arena
One thing i disagree with is that sukuna outspeeds the 22nd world tournament characters.
Goku was able to run to roshi, take his sun glasses, and use them to negate rhe solar flare technique. All that movement occurring AFTER it was fired. Meaning goku and those at that level and beyond were all massively faster than light
I haven’t watched DB in a while but Goku managed to beat a famous martial artist and actor in a couple of punches that were so fast the crowd believed it was a single punch thrown.
@@StrongestMahito indeed. Though the sunglasses feat (as shown in your PFP) is vastly beyond that.
Sukuna is NOT faster than light 😭 the glazing is crazyyyy, and also didnt goku outrunned a solar flare?
>wanks sukuna to ftl
>doesn't realize db characters are ftl since red ribbon army/ 22 tenkaichi budokai
Sukuna stops at full power roshi or 22 tenkaichi goku / tenshinhan
real
Yeah. I haven’t watched DB in a while but I do recall Goku fighting a famous actor and taking him out in a couple hits that were so fast it appeared to the entire crowd as being a single punch.
I personally think sukana Is at the level of king piccolo tbh
@@StrongestMahito he also outsped light based attack
@@jpackgaming9193king piccolo is stronger than roshi who is moon level and relativistic sakuna has to be wanked to island level and there’s no speed feats putting him relativistic and mach 3 is considered fast in jjk
Why is everybody keep ignoring things like Goku dodging a laser beam from general Black. These kinds of videos are full of assumptions, so Goku being light speed as early on as the RR army arc is completely valid. Also, ki attacks with the ability not only to destroy stuff but vaporize them seems hot enough in my book. This seems like a lot of misinterpretation (or maybe biased) towards presented characters
I love db but your tweaking
@@DADRB0B55 Then tell me what's wrong about my argumentation
@@nombie1760 absolutely nothing, you are spot on. kid goku also outran tenshinhan's solar flare at 23rd world tournament. y'know, a literal stated beam of light
Bro stops at demon king piccolo arc💀😭
Honestly that aint that bad💀
probably 22nd tenakichi budokai
he stops at the first tournament💀 roshi was moon level while sukuna is a island level fodder
@@mxario-t8p sukuna is city level man 💀
bro is lucky to even get there LMAO
My issue in the Fanfiction section is that it's assuming Sukuna could over power their soul.
Which if it's even Saiyan Saga Goku his body and soul are connected to each other. Meaning Sukuna still has to fight Goku for control.
Yeah, Babidi was the most powerfull sorcerer in dbz verse and vegeta had to let babidi control him, and even then he just shrugged babidis mind control off and said, fuck this, I just want to fight Goku.
Even when a saiyan let himself be controled he is NOT controled, I dont think people aknowledge how powerfull the sayans minds are with those fanfics, they always use some mind trick as a weapon against saiyans as if they are just strong brainless dudes.
@@danielsepulveda5852 The strongest in history vs the weakest Saiyan spirit
@@danielsepulveda5852 Even if they supress Sukuna, they can't actually expel his soul out of their bodies without killing themselves first. Sukuna's soul will always be there, supressed in the depths of your body, and the moment you grow too weak to resist he'll take over. Sooner or later he'll get control. Sukuna is no stranger to biding his time. Dude waited 1000 years to be incarnated again.
@@JohnSmith-j7n Time to gather the Dragon Balls.
@@johnlucas2838 Okay yeah that'd probably work.
Sometime you might want to consider. Ki attacks are pure heat. I think gohan tries to cook something with a blast during the cell saga but ends up burning it, like, not pulverized, it gets burnt, so it's safe to assume that if a character can handle a ki blast capable of making the moon explode then they can handle a level of heat necessary to do that, to make an example
9:16
King of Curses Sukuna
"Legendary Existence" or "Inhuman Deeds" Category Ki+4 and HP, ATK & DEF +150%; plus an additional HP, ATK & DEF +20% for characters who also belong to the "Crossover" Category
Not even a 200% lead?
no 3 category lead, 170%-yeah this guy is TRASH. also what good characters are on his full leaderskill lmao
The King of Curses Ryomen Sukuna
“Storied Figures”, “Inhuman Deeds” or “Legendary Existence” Category Ki +4 and HP, ATK & DEF +170%, plus an additional HP, ATK & DEF +30% for characters who also belong to the “Gifted Warriors” or “Crossover” Category
Make his active skill a malevolent kitchen active skill for and a down active skill that uses fuga
trash ass 170% lead my king teq ulthan solos