Is Christianity TRUE?? Call Seth Andrews & Forrest Valkai | Sunday Show 05.26.24
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![Would We Be Better Off Without Religion? - Christopher Hitchens [2007] ✝️ | Intelligence Squared](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DIR7_X-ahy4/mqdefault.jpg)
Apologists are always telling us "to look at the trees" as a sign of an intelligent creator. But I can't see those trees for the Forrest.
10 out 10 for the comment!
😂
I am Groot.
👏🙌👏🙌👏
Brian's desperately trying to throw out as many absurd falsehoods as possible so they can't hit them all 😂😂 Childish
Forest: Do you think beheading 2000 people is a good thing?
Brian: Well, nobody's perfect.
Why aren't defense attorneys not using the ironclad 'nobody's perfect' strategy to get their clients found not guilty?
yup Brian was an idiot
@@Emelefpi"Is my client a perfect man? No-"
"Yeah! I killed him."
@@GlassehOh yeah. Zack and Brennan.
Who among us hasn’t, though?
I profusely apologize for how late I am today!! I had a really bad family emergency, but hopefully everything it's right now. Hope everyone has a beautiful week
Choosing between getting this great info earlier, if it stresses you out in ANY WAY, compared to getting it later when things calm down, I will always go for the second option. Always take care of yourself first, and don't add any stress from your willingness to compile this.
Sorry for the family emergency! Sounds bad, but glad to hear things may be okay. Or, at least, managed.
Thanks for all your work. It is greatly appreciated!
Hi Faia.
1. I hope it's solved or sorted as well as currently possible.
2. You are never "late". If/ when you do this, that's when it gets done.
3. Ignore anyone who whines or grumbles.
4. Thank you for your service.
5. I hope you, personally, have joy in the coming week.
Stop apologizing. Your service is greatly appreciated.
Dear Faia, please never apologise for "being late". That you do this at all is amazing to me and I'm sure I speak for many enjoyers of The Line when I say thank you very much for your time and the energy you spend for our benefit!
Seth and Forrest are two of my favorite hosts! Seth’s calm, measured thoughtful approach is the perfect foil for Forrest’s boundless energy and enthusiasm. A perfect way to start my Memorial Day Monday. 😊
i love seths inflection......the rollercoaster ride his delivery takes you on is great.....especially when he is using it to mock insanity.....his words are polite but the inflection is fierce
Kudos to Seth and Forrest for being able to laugh off stepping on each other toes here and there, since they are both so brilliant and have so much valuable stuff to say from their different points of view. You both make this format look a lot easier than it is.
Greg: When you worship MY IMAGINARY god without any evidence, that is the purest form of worship and wonderful.
Greg: BUT, when you ask me to worship YOUR IMAGINARY god, I need EVIDENCE.
LOLZ
The first deity to get 2 votes, wins.
That was an intriguing call. He answered pretty much every question with quite a bit of confidence, so he clearly has thought about this stuff quite a bit. And yet everything he said was so flimsy and even self-contradictory that a stiff breeze could blow it down. Really goes to show how decently intelligent people set their brains aside when discussing religion.
@@brucebaker810Heaven's Got Talent.
The direction to head after that point would be to talk about God's need/deserving to be worshipped. The random made up God could be worshipped purely but Greg would probably point out since he knows nothing about the God he has no reason to care about their pure worship.
That line of reasoning isn't really contradictory. There is an internal consistency to his answers. There's just no reason to believe any of it is true.
"Pure worship", whatever the hell that's even supposed to mean, has to be one of the silliest ideas for the lack of evidence I've ever heard. Dude literally says God made us specifically to worship him, but doesn't give us any evidence to show that he even exists because it somehow taints the worship. And he's supposed to be maximally (damn, I hate when they use that word) intelligent, but couldn't figure out a better way to go about pretty much everything? Regardless of the possibility of any generic God existing, I will never believe in the biblical God because he just seems like a bumbling fool with severe temperament issues.
Greg : “We can’t know anything with certainty”
Also Greg : “Let me tell you exactly what an omnipotent god wants and why”
That call was disturbing and hilarious in so many ways…
I love how he almost considered himself an expert on the subject of 🎵what a god wants, what a god needs. 🎵
Disturbing and hilarious...Like the movie, "Idiocracy."
You’ve gotta larrrrfff or else you’d cry.
Dude is thinking that his god is min/maxing his own worship...
@@TheTruthx58 You see, he has to balance the 'purity' and distribution, god is the OG dealer...
Brian is so out of his depths when commenting about the Dark Ages, Islamic scholars and scientists made HUGE progress in their fields while the rest of Europe was going through a sh*t of a time
I love comments about the crusades defending byzantium. The crusaders sacked Constantinople in 1204
I've heard that Islamic scholars were not responsible for most of those scientific discoveries but were merely a conduit passing that knowledge on from the east.
@@digbycrankshaft7572 cool story bro. Where's your proof to support that wild ass statement?
That guy was insane
On top of that, the cruelty inflicted on civilians was through the roof.
Hell, there was a “children’s crusade”, in which, yes, the soldiers were soldiers and it ended precisely as you’d think!
Brian's history revisionism is pretty stunning. The "dark ages" wasn't a consequence of the spreading of Islam, it was due to the fall of West Rome. The crusades didn't happen to defend Byzantine, it was mostly a way to turn the war mongering among European nobility towards brown people.
Plus all the lies about Galileo..... Apologists seem to be dishonest almost by definition
There was a crusade (I think the second) that actually took over Constantinople, the capital of Byzantium. Extremely protective!
@@kaarvanNobody's perfect. Sometimes you just accidentally conquer a whole huge city. It's just a guy thing. They were only human after all. /s
The first crusade was launched in order to reclaim the holy land from the Muslims who'd invaded it in an act of aggression and to prevent pilgrims from visiting it. As such it was justified
Both sides: islam and Christianity had their share of responsibility as they both spread through the sword.
I'm glad you got this father-son pair together. Excellent show.
I really like this duo. Seth brings a real smoothness and grounding to the conversation that flows nicely with Forest's chaotic brilliance. Both willing and ready to jump in, what more can you ask for?
Also Steve had great questions for being raised in such a closed loop society. The power of the internet and shared ideas is still achieving good things world wide, and thats always great to hear.
Seth adds such a layer of professionalism to these shows, and not just because of his "radio voice". He respectfully keeps things moving, and meets people where they are. It never feels like amateur hour when he's on.
I love his voice and diction. Soothing to listen to and he’s funny.
I agree he is definitely my favorite
Brian: "what was wrong with the Crusades?"
What the fuck is wrong with *you* ?
I haven't even SEEN this yet, but I can tell by this comment what we're gonna be dealing with! 😭🤣💀
Oh you know just all the murder 😂 no never mentions the Spanish Inquisition either I feel that one was up there on horrendous
@@yep_2431Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
@@septixskeptix1107I don't expect the Spanish Inquisition. But I still won't be surprised by it.
I 💡
have set a Google Alert.
And my arquebus and pikestaff are locked, loaded, and standing by.
People always focus on what the Crusaders did to the Muslims when they got to the Middle East but the armies plundered other Christians during the trip to get to the Middle East as well. It was sanctioned plunder of anywhere the Crusader armies went.
Greg sure knows a lot about how God feels and what God needs.
Yeah he was pulling a monumental amount of assumptions out of his ass.
@@thedriedge24 well. Ass umptions.
@@thedriedge24 that’s where they usually come from. It’s in the name.
Greg is god, and it turns out God's a stupid child who has never found validation.
Under Greg’s worldview, church would be evil because the more you learn about God, the less pure your worship would be.
Brain is against human sacrifice, but his entire religious faith is based on a human sacrifice.
I wonder if he participates in the cosplay ritual containing vampirism a cannibalism celebrating a guy nailed to two sticks.
What human sacrifice?
@breakinghouse946 Jesus is the sacrificial lamb, ever heard of that?
And Jephthah's daughter?
😮😮😮
@breakinghouse946 Eat some Jesus to remember how much you owe him. To remember that man-god's Supreme Sacrifice. For you./s o.0
1:55:32 The smile on Forrest’s face when Seth said “wanna see evolution in action, watch Christianity .” 😊
I questioned my professors in college on multiple occasions. They nearly always welcomed it to help me learn and, in at least a couple occasions, THEY learned something. College is an amazing time to talk, listen, and learn. Both in and out of the classroom. For those who value thinking: getting at least an undergraduate degree in a field of your interest will teach you much more than just your field of study. Live on campus. Participate. Make friends. Do stupid things. Have fun. Cry. Learn. I wish I could do it again (for the first time).
Weird how the believers that call in never, ever say "I don't know" to any questions about god. No matter how rambling or nonsensical the answer, they'll always give one.
Caller Greg is the typical zealot who denies any illogical/irrational things pertaining to his religion and will continue to makes excuses for lies. I'll never understand why normal people throw logic and reasoning out the window when it comes to religion. I'm a big fan of both Seth and Forrest........Great show guys.
Speaking of losing hair... A friend's son was bald before he was twenty. He had a T-shirt that I just loved. It said, "The more hair I lose, the more head I get." 😁
Love Forest, BUT Seth started both myself and my wife's deconstruction journey years ago. Thank you both for presenting information in such a great way!
Brian, one of the Crusades literally began because the wrong type of Christianity was being practiced in Southern France. The Cathars were practicing a more Gnostic style of Christianity that went against what the Crown of France practiced which aligned with the Pope at the time. Pope Innocent III declared a crusade and offered up the Cathar lands to all Frenchmen that took up arms against the Cathars. There were no Muslims involved in this and was only about conflicts between Christians.
I'm with you on that Greg call, Forest. That call could not have gone on long enough. That was some of the wildest stuff I've ever heard and I just wanted to hear him keep answering questions.
Right? Guy seems so close to catching the idea of what excuses are, but he just KEEPS GOING.
it was amazing how he went from 1 story to 2 reasons why and than a causal excuse why his god couldnt do it, than a statement of how god cant do things but can do things..
Genuinely great convo.
Greg is a slave, to a lie. Faith is the ultimate defense of a lie, and the liar has to survive by convincing people that faith is a good thing. Not only has Greg been convinced, but he’s now out tryin to explain to others why that lie-defending faith-mechanism of ignorance and just-go-ahead-and-believe is a good thing. I hope Greg sees that he called in to defend a lie-protecting mechanism.
Maybe it's like D&D, where if gods don't have worshippers, they lose power. No worshippers, and the deity fades away, forgotten.
Ok? But in dnd worshipping gods give you spells, and you can literally talk to them with enough work, and they aren't meant to be omnipotent or anything, just really powerful in their domain, one is even a mortal who managed to perform magic to become a god, they all want to provide answers and evidence when asked.
All to say, if our world has a god/gods that require worship to continue existing but seemingly try to avoid the worship, maybe they dont want the worship or the existance.
There’s the premise of American Gods.
Terry Pratchett, Small Gods.
Or maybe, making shit up isn't a good way to find truth?
@@user-lk7wk3cd8e Russian fascist, go fuck yourself. No one wants your opinion on anything and everyone is just hoping your nation is destroyed.
The honorific for they/them is “oh captain my captain”
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?
It’s amazing how often Seth using his preacher cadence gets theists to say his comments are great. Even when it destroys the core of their argument.
I feel like there's something similar that could be done to help deradicalize people who follow politicians like godly authorities
I didn’t know he was a preacher too…interesting
@@sarahchristine2345 nobody said he is one. He uses the cadence of one when making certain points.
Two of my fave speakers and educators ever! Thank you, guys, it was fun and really nice to watch you =) Much love from Ukraine
The gold for mental acrobatics has to go to greg - congratulations 🎖🏆 i didn't know minds could even twist that far... without breaking... broken or not, he can still speak, and that's as close to a 'landing' as one can get in this discipline!
he won't worship a God he doesn't have evidence for, but not having evidence of God is the best way to worship.
Logically sound argument
Greg, if you can't know anything for certain without revelation, then how can you know the revelation is just not another one of your uncertain mistakes???
gregs gymnastic skills are gold speaking about stuff he does not and cannot know
The whole time I was waiting for Greg to declare that Atheists are the greatest worshipers of his god.
Its truly a skill. You can hear how confident he sounds and you just know that in his mind he's actually going toe to toe with these two and holding his own. In reality he sounds rediculous and is flopping all over the place.
if there was a olympic event for this greg would be a shoo in for gold
Arguing that the more you think about it, the less rewarded you are is basically the same as “fake it til you make it.”
Greg has tied his own brain into so many knots he doesn't even realize when he doesn't make sense anymore.
If you don't know someone very well, is the love you have for them more pure? Or would it be more pure and worth more to know everything about them, and love them still?
Seth is such a pro. It’s a pleasure to listen to his smooth transitions and interesting anecdotes. Forrest’s way of holding the callers hand through their argument and explaining why they’re mistaken is always satisfying . These are two hosts that love to hear themselves talk but it’s refreshing that they actually have things to say
Greg reminds me of what Seth has said, Christianity made him sound like an idiot. Greg is definitely a nice guy but, man the cognitive dissonance is amazing.
desperate for it to be true
Forest maybe everyone doesn't say they notice it as bluntly as this but your fastest responses and quickest wit seem to be when you're being self-deprecating. and whether it's your knee-jerk reaction or you've worked on it to be humble and put others at ease it's quite endearing either way. Teachers like you are the ones a love and miss the most today. They were the ones that changed my life the most.
Beautiful!
I remember hearing that experts who express they are unsure in their subject area are more likely to be seen positively by others than boisterous and smug ones. People can appreciate vulnerability in others and can be very guarded about being vulnerable themselves. My impression is that Forrest does a great job of thoughtful and willing to accept he may not “know” but is willing to try to better understand a topic.
You guys have amazing chemistry!!!! I LOVED this show!!!! Thanks for doing what yall do! 😃👍
OMFG! Caller Greg's rationalizations are off the charts!!! Apologism at its finest!! So there it is: the less you know the more pure your worship. This is why religion has held back humanity.
Greg knows an amazing amount of features, motivations, and attributes of something whose only evidence of existing he can give in the first place is "if it exists." 😂
“A tribute to you Greg”-Just One of the Guys
When you get a Greg who is honestly delusional you ride it as long as you can
The mental gymnastics with the "pure worship" guy is astounding
Greg is the great dancer. God wants those who are less informed to worship him
Seth and Forest together are my favorite hosts.
Steve from Egypt, there were many wandering preachers during the of Jesus and many people were hung to death in the ancient world. The Bible could be stories of many people.
Very happy to see Seth back. Great host.
You both have done a wonderful job. Thank you.
I actually made one of my friends stop to think about these conspiracy theories when I said “ever notice how only non European civilizations needed help building their stuff?”
Except for Stonehenge.
@@kellywalker1664 which is the funniest one cuz there’s a video of just some random guy showing how you can build it wooden wedges and a hammer lol
Lol I freaking Love both of you guys! Thank you for all that you guys do for the community 🖤
Greg’s wobbling arguments remind me of Steely Dan. Pretzel Logic.
2000 decapitations = “nobody’s perfect”. OK so your sense of morality is completely gone.
Theists are becoming progressively more morally nihilistic. It's funny because they usually criticize us for that.
"I'm just here mansplaining menstruation to nobody!" - Forrest hahahaha
Mensplaining menstruation?
Mansplaining manstruation?
@@brucebaker810 menstraining.
Gotta love the nonanswer answers.. Let Me Finish announces their approach!
"Excuse me. I haven't finished not answering yet.
I have more words."
Forrest should get a tattoo of a tree and then congratulate everyone who notices it for finding it because he hid it in the best place possible (to hide a tree in a Forrest).
Seth's advice to Steve was really important and true. Deconstructing isn't that simple and doesn't just happen overnight. Just give yourself permission to keep asking questions.
3 hours of Seth and Forrest?
Hell YES!
Satan knows and why hasn’t he revealed himself if he’s real? What’s his motivation to hide?
35:00 love how the eye is so intelligent design to put the veins and nerve in front of the retina (the receptors) instead of behind it. Imagine if I made a camera with the wires in front of the lenses, with a hole in the middle (the blind spot) to allow the cables to pass through.
And if you have diabetes with uncontrolled high sugars, you generate more veins (non-benign), blocking vision, damaging the front of these sensors, causing black spots/loss of vision.
Why do you think so many wealthy religious orgs have spent millions on pseudoscience marketing campaigns over the years? They know the more people become educated in science, the less members, and hence donations, they’ll have. And rather than just accepting reality & building their views around it, they’ve founded “creation science” (talk about an oxymoron) orgs like the ICR, GA & DI, and hired creationist pseudoscientists to spread misinformation, in order to undermine secular science and make the nonsense in the Bible seem more scientifically plausible. It’s so gross and so dishonest.
But that’s why we have millions of ignorant Americans who don’t believe in evolution, despite not understanding anything about it, and why they’ll all repeat the same misinformation & then get thoroughly embarrassed if they accidentally try it on someone who’s educated & actually understands evolution. There may as well be an 11th commandment ordering them to stay ignorant, and it’s frustrating cuz they have no clue how deeply silly they sound when they reject the entire foundation of biology while hypocritically benefiting from modern medicine & technology. At times I really wanna call them out & ask why they don’t reject all of modern medicine but they’re such a gullible group, I’m a bit afraid one of em might actually try to treat themselves with prayer, and we all know how that would go 😂
Seriously, how can they justify the faith-based rejection of a globally accepted scientific theory that’s withstood 160 years of scrutiny & attacks from the entire scientific community, numerous religious orgs and pseudoscientists alike. The evidence for evolution is so strong that it transcends nationality, religion, language, and race. But apologists will dishonestly make it seem like it’s all just anti-Christian oppression…forget the fact that like 70% of Americans identify as Christian, including over 80% of lawmakers, it’s all just this big conspiracy by secular scientists who are scheming to take god out of the equation 🙄 it’s ABSURD and pretty pathetic tbh. It seriously feels like the civilized world is trying to move past these barbaric, illogical ideologies & Christians are like this jealous stalker that refuses to go away & leave us tf alone 😂😂😂
Loving seeing Seth on the Line more recently - hope the plan is to have him in the host rotation more going forward 🤞
The Cheese Caves that Forrest was describing sound like an Elden Ring location, no doubt inhabited by governmental cheese golems and at the end of it is a loathsome dairy dragon boss.
I actually found myself agreeing with Brian on one thing: When Forrest called Brian's assertion of abortion being child sacrifice a Strawman, Brian said it wasnt. Brian was right, it was just an outright lie, not a strawman.
Forrest you owe me a new cup of tea. I spat it out during your intro. 😂😅
Um.. Brian was trying to say that abortion = human sacrifice... the guy doesn't have a cogent argument in his entire being.
Taking up the cross to defend Christianity normally requires a girding of yourself in the armor of dishonesty and the sword of lies
I feel it is important my dog got an ad on this post, and it fit well into the discussion.
Im so glad to see Seth. He was the 1st athiest i started following on "the thinking athiest". Ive learned a lot from him. Ive researched lots of religion, but i hadnt looked into it from an athiest point of view. ❤❤❤❤❤
Seth Andrew’s and forest valkai make and matt dillahunty make me not want to unalive myself
Might want to note that the Crusades to save Byzantium also *sacked* Byzantium. Can't imagine how anyone can reconcile these positions.
@ 2:01:34
Sadly, critical thinking is not taught in America either. 😕
Is there a way that we could change this? 🤔
Burning books hasn't seemed to achieve that goal. What are we doing wrong? 🤦♂️
We live in interesting times. 🇺🇸
What kind of weird ass Terry Pratchett-esque god does Greg believe in.
Forrest is an actual living legend. He's as good at this now as Matt D is.
I like him much more than Matt. He's a lot more patient and pleasant. I recognise that Matt has been doing it for a very long time, but I think that's part of the problem. His calls seem to devolve very frequently and quickly now into muting, yelling and name-calling. He seems less and less happy doing call-in in general.
@@garrgravarr I found myself wishing Matt or Jimmy were taking some of the calls today-especially Greg’s call
Roland is going to be quite livid when he hears about Davis
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."-Lucius Annaeus Seneca.
Whenever the hosts have great chemistry it makes for an entertaining show. The callers can suck it almost doesn't matter.
I really enjoyed this show. I also thought Erika and Matt were fantastic.
What got me to stop and click the thumbs up button on this episode, was that timestamp 1:55:20 where is Seth said if you want proof of evolution, watch Christianity. Exactly. Biological evolution is fascinating, but it's also complex and multifaceted and many aspects of it can span enormous amounts of time, but the evolution of a religion that claims there's no such thing as evolution is simple enough and fast enough that we can watch it happening, and the evidence of it is overwhelming. There are other even simpler and even faster examples of evolution as well, but Seth is absolutely right about that being an excellent example.
The crusades didn’t spread Christianity is my new favorite fact about an alternate universe.
Great duo of hosts
I was today years old when I learned camels evolved in north america
Im amazed at how much theists seem to know about a"god".. Saying stuff that sounds like they are spinning narratives they need to validate a god's existence. for them.
I took a Mammoth Caves class as part of my Honors program in college and we went down there a couple times and went down some paths with some scientists that worked there, and I did not see a single block of cheese.
We did see some 19th century graffiti, gypsum flowers, a pile of broken 19th century shoes, the TB hospital, coprolite, and broken baskets used by Native Americans though. Oh, and some leftover stuff from when parts of the cave system were used for mining saltpeter.
I now need to hear Seth say "You Rang" in his best Lurch voice!
To be ignorant of the eternal reward or punishment would make your worship more pure than worshipping with ignorance of his existence.
The state of Arizona owes this show an apology for Brian whose expertise in what he speaks of is very limited, and demonstrated those limitations with false equivalencies, strawmen, and red herrings complicated by his inability to use his ears properly and understand how a conversation works.
Which is why Brian is this week's winner of the Golden Propeller Beanie Award.
He was after a win here. (He failed) Every time he was asked to respond to something specific, he blatantly tried to change the focus onto a different subject. This disingenuous behavior could be by-product of the standard Dunning-Kruger Effect...further complicated by the insecure mind of a man-child.
Brian is not the best that Arizona has to offer on this topic...or at least I hope he's not Arizona's best. Look for Brian to run for senator of Arizona someday...
15:22 First Caller
Quick Willy.
@@LoveProWrestling that sounds...yeeeeah, I don't know how I feel about that
Satan dissed God and gets to host eternal barbecues? Hmm, that makes the choice much easier. Thanks Greg!
Greg is personally just making up his own religion. Where did he learn that there are levels of worship? I don't remember hearing this or reading it in the Bible. Greg needs to listen back to this and realize he is just trying to make up a story to cover the fact that there are huge holes in his religious beliefs.
Steve, there are no dumb questions as long as you are truly trying to listen. ❤
Also I love how you put in effort in your critical thinking skills. There are too many people who can't do it even if it is in the education system so lesgooo 🎉
If I lived in a cheese cave I would die because I couldn’t poop.
Although I love Forrest too, Seth will always be in my top 2 favorite atheist hosts being surpassed only by Tracie Harris herself.
2:17:45 Alex (he/him) - Deist How do you demonstrate that something is unecessary? Why does an unecessary thing demonstrate design? How do we demonstrate that unecessary things never arise naturally? Also stuff like consciousness, logic, unfounded pleasant beliefs etc are useful, which is not a synonym for unecessary - and they are part of the linear dynamic of cognitive, model based evolution of primitive brains.
I just googled cheese cave and indeed, the US has 1.4 billion pounds of cheese in caves.
Edam... that sounds gouda. You cheddar not be kidding.
@@stmusic2164No more cheese puns I Camembert it. You’d never catch me doing that, I choose my words Caerphilly.
51:57 let's not also forget all the crusades waged also upon "wrong kind of" Christians. The crusades were just an instrument of preserving the power of Catholic Church
i am both baffled and intrigued by greg's whole argument bc i have never heard another person argue that we only exist bc god NEEDS worship to exist and so created us to worship him. mindblowing.
The historical ignorance spewed by the one caller about the crusades was shocking. The Muslims ruling Jerusalem before the crusades allowed Christians and Jews to live and travel there in peace. When the first crusade showed up they massacred not only the civilians of Jerusalem including the Orthodox Christians, but also massacred huge numbers of peaceful Jews and Hungarians and Slavs on the way there. When Saladin took Jerusalem back during the second crusade he allowed the Christians to leave the city in peace and travel to other crusader cities unmolested, and generally the Muslims were far more humane than the crusaders. The hosts mentioned the massacre of Muslim prisoners in the third crusade. The fourth crusade sacked a peaceful Christian city in Dalmatia to pay the Venetians for their passage and then went and sacked Constantinople itself. Later in the so called Children's crusade thousands of French children were tricked into going on crusade and then sold into slavery in Marseille. The crusades were absolutely barbarous by any definition, they were mainly to win wealth and land and it says a lot about Christianity that they're teaching that they were actually a good thing.
Wtf is Greg going on about. What a total load of crap. So effing sure of himself about a bunch of bullshit. It’s laughable.
Although, I would love to experience myself at a greater depth. I try every few days.
Recently the writings of Columbus in his Christian conquest.of the Caribbean were found. They were horrendous accounts of brutality.
It is amazing how people Brian claim it is only christianity that can bring you to be good, and when you call them out for christians that were not so wirtuous as he claims, he abandons all of them instantly "Those are not TRUE christians".
But of course the proclaimer of christian exclusive morality is one of those that belong to those that are the true perfect christians and would NEVER do wrong.
What these people never admit to that no one can say who is a "true" christian and who is not, and that abandonment of anyone that does not fit is an ideal copout for their "I claim that all good can ONLY come from what I believe and when it is bad, it is not my belief's fault" - identical to Trump declaring himself the reason for all good by his mere existence as POTUS and in the next moment declaring "I'm not responsible for anything".
I don’t think it’s amazing at all. I expect exactly that almost every time.
And nothing about his arguments are "GOOD" and Jesus also wasn't the brightest bulb in the fixture either, nor always the nice guy, especially when he said the old testament laws are still remain the law, and never renounced them, so even christianity is an illegitimate religion going against it's own supposed lord/god creature thingy!
As a christian we dont proclaim to be perfect. God is holy so we seek to be holy because without it we cant see him.
@@sally9352 we can’t see him at all. My eyes aren’t what they were when I was a teenager, but I can tell you they work pretty well. Haven’t seen him.
1:24:45 I cannot get over the fact that Greg's god runs on Madoka Magica logic. "Make a covenenant with me!"
"The Magyars and Bulgars were such vicious horrible people, and then they adopt Christianity and within a generation they're so prosperous and happy and _EVERYBODY'S GOING ALONG WITH IT."_
As easy as that huh Brian? ;3
I'm not even that familiar with Hungarian and Bulgarian history, but Holy Halaszle, talk about skimming over details xD But then Brian is also anti-abortion due to it apparently being "child sacrifice", so perhaps it's unfair of me to expect Brian to fathom broad and complicated cultural shifts.
Fun fact. One of the cheese caves is the Springfield Underground in Missouri :)
I love these 2 together! Amazing duo!
Aren't invasive species suggesting intelligent design wasn't that intelligent? These new species fit the local environment better than the ones that supposedly god so "wonderfully created" to fit.