Don't think 'tactile switches' feel like browns. They don't. The clear based switches have FAR more and better feeling tactility. Alps based switches have even better tactility than that. I hate that so many people 'don't like tactile switches' because they base their judgement on the craptacular brown switch, and think they all are 'the same'.
Fair enough :) Totally get that. Linears and lightly tactile aren't my cup of tea either. I like strong tactility or tactility + click myself. It increases confidence when typing, instead of constantly wondering if that last key you presssed registered or not if not looking. I like to avoid bottoming out when possible. I type 8-12 hours a day as a programmer, and bottoming out every keypress does lead to fatigue, and possible even long term damage to joints in the hand, but that is debatable. Oh and it just feels satisfying. Like popping bubble wrap :)
I got a tiny mixbox for fighting games with Kailh Choc Reds, gave me an appetite for linear switches since they feel more responsive than even a gamepad for games like shovel knight. I am interested in the NovelxKailh Creams for cherry stems.
@@incongruous4 for real though have you ever removed the click bar from one and lubed it? They’re so smooth I think the plastic nub on the leaf has something to do with it.
Hi, I don't know any way to contact you other than this. I saw you in the chat of the VOD of Clack in Cologne and asking about the Raptor 1800 keyboard. If you want to know more you can go ahead and ask me, it was mine. Maybe you can tell me your reddit /u/ so we can rather talk on reddit. Cheers!
Interesting to see a couple modern switches on this list when the clicky list was nothing but vintage switches. Wonder why it seems like nobody can make a decent modern clicky switch. Probably Kailh's navy switches are about as good as it gets so long as you're OK with the heavy weight...
I have the solution, companies need to be willing to put money into the switches, rather than focusing mass production, thats what hurt the clicky switches the most I believe.
To be honest, the thing that killed off mechanical keyboards was the falling prices of computers. Back then a $900 keyboard was still only a fraction of the cost of a system - no wonder companies could afford to sink some money into a quality product. Budget computers almost invariably had really shit keyboards, though.
Absolutely true, just compare the ZX Spectrum to a 5150 and the difference is night and day, hopefully we don't get a keyboard like that one back as a mainstream desktop board.
@@Chyrosran22 By any means, can you tell me if these bloody LK switches are smoother than the Gateron CIY Optical Red and TEALIOS V2? Anxiously waiting for the reply.
@@atifliaqat8159 Just tryied bloodys and gateron optical red They are as smooth i cant really say that one is smoother than another i feel like they're as smooth
I don't think 'smooth' is actually all that a linear switch needs, but maybe that is precisely why I don't like linear switches :P My xmit keyboard (ace pad hall effect) simply has no perceivable friction once you lube the stem. None whatsoever. Like typing on pillows of air. That is, until you bottom out, which is like hitting a brick wall followed by a clack that will wake the dead. I think most of the noisiness has to do with the hollow design as well as the minimal stem stabilization contact area to minimize friction. They kind of just float in there all rattly.
Richard Smith Personally, for linear switches, my top priorities are smoothness and weighting. Because of the lack of travel features to mask it, scratchiness stands out a lot on linear switches.
I think I'm in the insanely small minority that prefers a little bit of scratch over completely smooth linear. I can't help but get the feeling that I can't feel anything if it's too smooth. Cherry Red is perfect for that. Though admittedly, I've not tried any of the crazy smooth switches on this list. Maybe they'd sway me over.
I brought the Gigabyte Aorus K9 keyboard which has the Flaretech Red Optical switches. It is very light (just like the bloody ones) and the linearity is very good. These may be not as nice as the bloody ones maybe, but optical switches in general are newer tech AFAIK. Edit: That slow-mo run was awesome. More surprises like that please.
Ha, guess I got lucky. Recently picked up a vintage "electronic typing station", which in reality is just a Z80-based computer running CP/M, and it's keyboard uses the SKCL green Alps. I've rarely ever used linear switches, save for maybe the SMK vintage linears in my Apple IIe, and good god these alps are amazing. This is the third Alps switch I've used, and goddamn they've all been marvelous.
Nope, it's a Panasonic! Next to nothing on it out there, unfortunately. I was able to find a print ad from either PC World or some other computer publication from back in the day though: i.imgur.com/bbTIH8r.png The keyboard is actually completely detached, no clue why it looks built-in in that ad.
My main board has Healios. They're silent linear, as far from clicky as you can get, but the soft thock of typing on this thing sends me to ASMR heaven every time. I swear, I'm just typing this extra sentence so I can keep listening to the sound they make.
30 billion.... That's the switch mechanism, not the plastic housing or springs of which even Cherry switches will not hit their 50+ million before the plastic or springs fails.
very good video! i personally really like kailh box black, it may be misleading because youd assume theyd have the same weighting as a mx black switch, but they are really nice and light and have all the benifits of a box switch like youve seen in other videos.
Heheheh, I suspect many people can xD . I'm still not sure about the whole list tbh, it's a very tough one to make, much harder than linear and clicky!
I know you largley find MX style switches to not be very interesting, but if you want a very smooth modern linear you should try Gateron optical yellow, red and black. Even without lube they're smoother than anything I have ever used.
whelp. In your opinion what switch is the best linear switch that you can actually purchase today, new, and not having to go to buy used somewhere? Would love to buy that optical keyboard though.... if they sold their switches seperately. Apparently it is exclusive to their keyboard.
You wouldn't be able to solder into anything else anyway, as the optical sensing assembly requires a completely different PCB and power settings than do electromechanical switches. They're very light, but very nice, actually. I might well get some stiffer switches in my WASD cluster to fix accidental triggering, but other than that...
Lubed black alps and put one switch without the plate back together by accident, endet up liking them so much that I removed every plate. Amazing linear!
is bloody's switch really this good? because their keyboards are so cheap and im very interested on this, is it worth it? and also, which model of bloody keyboards did you use in this video? and also last question, is this box red linear version same as good? or this smoothness is only on this looking like mx black version.
By far my favorite switch in general at the time of typing this is the Alps Green switch. Aboslute joy to use and listen too. And yes, I do like them way more than Blue Alps even. I wonder Thomas, you didn't put nor even mention Linear Space Invaders. Do you not like them at all?
No, they're pretty good, I like them. In fact, next week's video is about them! But they are a bit on the stiff side for me, and prone to contamination. Other than that they're very nice actually.
i like clackin on honeywell microswitch hall effects,.... i'm trying to make a 40% with them...oddly enough some of mine are not in great shape as the place i got them had a bunch but they're were LEFT OUTSIDE ...d'oh!,..so some of them have gotten rusty, but I can just take them apart, and clean it a bit and is should be good. have you tried varmillo EC switches?
I'd like a leaf spring keyboard but I'm not really willing to do the usb conversion process right now. The benefit though is they're quite decently priced because they're such a pain to convert.
Optical ones are good, i never tryied normal gateron but compared to cherry red they are way smoother at the point it makes cherry red feel like browns I am not chyros but that's my opinion
Dang. I already commented but what goes. Wooting one used the Flaretech switches if I recall correctly. These same switches are also there in the Gigabyte Aorus K9 (I got one last month). Mine is the "Red" version which is linear non clicky ones. There is also a "Blue" version which has a click (but not at the actuation point which is 0.03 mm).
Hey Thomas (or anyone for that matter). Can you identify a keyswitch that you think is particularly scratchy? I'd like to find some as distinctive examples.
anyone know if ace pad got any better then the last review Thomas made? I'm really jazzed for the hall effect switches, but i'm not sure of the quality of the boards yet.
They're also younger and therefore easier to get in clean condition. Green Alps are so old that it's almost impossible to find one that's "used but not fucked". With SKCL green you're virtually condemned to having to find NOS material.
I honestly think I'd enjoy Gat Yellows a fair bit. But I refuse to rate switches I don't own or at least have loaned a full board of. I've only tried them at meetups.
Chyrosran22 I’m ordering a bunch soon, wouldn’t mind sending some your way. Love your videos man! You have an excellent ratio of honest in depth analysis paired alongside your carefully chosen comic relief. Thumbs up
Fujitsu's leaf spring patent expired years ago. You should talk to people to get it back on the market. Maybe NovelKeys could help. Do the first generation MX-mount.
The first-gen one is very stiff, although it's an excellent switch otherwise. For much the same reason as manufacturers refuse to release COMPLICATED Alps clones, I think that these switches are too expensive to reproduce, though.
Great work 😁 could you lube a "scratchy" mx black and test against vi tage unlubed? Tried lubing 100 from my 6gv2 and they became really nice afterwards.
Have to agree about Cherry MX Black. Have my old dead board and desoldiered the switches off the Filco Majestouch Ninja and they sound much less "raspy" than newer ones. Either they have to be REALLY be worn in to rub away plastic or Cherry dropped the quality on the true linear feel. Probably both.
i don't know if i'll get an answer since the video is kind of old but, is there any place i can get an ace pad tech hall effect keyboard, or anything similar? (what made me want to get the hall effect is its reliability and well, it being linear)
I do not even know where to get one of those switches... And if i have them, I would not know where to find a single pcb to use that with. Let alone a Keycap set or a case and all the other parts. HOW DO I GET THIS GOODNESS?
They are not as friction-free as most of us had expected considering other Hall effect switches, no. However, compared to other switches they're still very smooth, and when lubed it becomes basically friction-free. The Bloody switches are smoother than APT HE, but I don't like the travel characteristics quite as much.
If it's just the "rounded caps" you're interested in, then these are referred to as "spherical" keycaps, as opposed to the more common "cylindrical" ones found on most keyboards. But you can buy sets of those spherical keycaps to fit Cherry and other keyswitches. FWIW, spherical keycaps come in at least two different profiles: SA and DSA. Example docs: pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/
can you get them for IBM bucking springs? becase my only bords i like that i can use on modern PC's are model F XT and model M's, i got some nice alps apples but cant afford the adapter and i dont heavily use my power PC's
Quick question but is there a place where i can buy mechanical switches (specifically in Europe or the UK preferably), i've looked through Amazon, gumtree and eBay but i can't find anything (I'm asking as i want to build my own keyboard at some point)
Orlando Ford there are a few European keyboard stores that offer switches. Here is one in UK: mechboards.co.uk Another one in Belgium: mykeyboard.eu You can also create an account on the European mechanical keyboard forum deskthority.net and talk with the people there because some of them may have switches for sale.
EU: CandyKeys.com and Reichelt.de have Cherry MX switches in boxes of 110 for €40. UK: www.ukkeycaps.co.uk Outside the EU: kbdfans.myshopify.com, Mehkee.com, and NovelKeys.com have interesting switches
@@christianalbertcarillo7117 I think gmk are very good, but this is chyrosan, he doesnt really like modern switches and keycaps. He would probably prefer slightly thicker older keycaps. He also probably wouldn't like that they shine eventually because they are abs, and lets face it: 150-250 is a LOT for keycaps. But gmk sorta set that standard
I'm sure the German keyboard community can give you better advice, but I've seen tons and tons of great stuff come by on ebay.de . If it wasn't all QWERTZ I'd have bought tons off it by now.
This is true, there is a tiny tactile artefact in the key travel. I think it helps a lot with the keyfeel, it takes away the sterility that other linear switches have.
Chyrosran22 It's quite ironical that Cherry MX brown is hated because of the tactile events, but SKCLs are loved beacause of that. I think the tactility is not about its magnitude, but is about its gradient. Ths tactility of Topre and SKCL is weak, but their long tactile travel make them pleasant.
nice! I have tealios v2, They are very smooth. They are normally kinda high pitched but I managed to make them nice and thocky, and im really enjoying them!
@wlrdarko opinion dude, I know a lot about mechanical keyboards. You may not like my list but that's just my opinion, in fact this is outdated anyways but still
@wlrdarko I found them pretty good, my friend owns cherry mx reds and they feel nice. Stop thinking I'm inexperienced but I actually am, I own a mechanical keyboard at home, I watch many, many videos, even on the new ones. Leave my opinions alone and I'll leave yours alone, just don't bash mine and call me an 11 year old Fortnite kid. On top of it, adults and teens play fortnite too btw
i used my by now ancient raptor gaming k1 which has MX blacks for like a decade for everything but mainly gaming and i really have come to like em. Typing this right now on a MX speed silver on my K70 rgb rapidfire ;)
Slow Mo Guys are jealous of that footage
I know right, I sure showed them!
why isn't cherry mx brown on this list it's a great linear switch /s
Sayaka.MONSTA "/s"
Sayaka.MONSTA the "/s" implies that he's being sarcastic. I don't blame you though since it's a popular thing in Reddit.
Because for tactile lovers, they can't even feel the tactility in browns. They fell like scratchy linears.
Don't think 'tactile switches' feel like browns. They don't. The clear based switches have FAR more and better feeling tactility. Alps based switches have even better tactility than that. I hate that so many people 'don't like tactile switches' because they base their judgement on the craptacular brown switch, and think they all are 'the same'.
Fair enough :) Totally get that. Linears and lightly tactile aren't my cup of tea either. I like strong tactility or tactility + click myself. It increases confidence when typing, instead of constantly wondering if that last key you presssed registered or not if not looking. I like to avoid bottoming out when possible. I type 8-12 hours a day as a programmer, and bottoming out every keypress does lead to fatigue, and possible even long term damage to joints in the hand, but that is debatable.
Oh and it just feels satisfying. Like popping bubble wrap :)
Cool slow motion.
Look out, Slow Mo Guys
I've never been into linear switches, until trying Kailh's Box switches.
Hey, didn't expect to see you here
I got a tiny mixbox for fighting games with Kailh Choc Reds, gave me an appetite for linear switches since they feel more responsive than even a gamepad for games like shovel knight. I am interested in the NovelxKailh Creams for cherry stems.
My favorite linear is box navy
@@incongruous4 lmao
@@incongruous4 for real though have you ever removed the click bar from one and lubed it? They’re so smooth I think the plastic nub on the leaf has something to do with it.
So is this guy like the RocketJumpNinja but for keybaords and mech switches?
hes into vintage mechs tho
nah
If he's not the RocketJumpNinja, then who??
@@danielp121 nobody is?
@@matthewp1083 oh okay, maybe there's some youtube who's similar to RJN. Welp 🤷🏿♂️
I was not expecting that slo-mo. You need to put a warning up next time, I nearly bust my farting strings laughing.
Haha cheers, glad you liked it xD .
Hi, I don't know any way to contact you other than this.
I saw you in the chat of the VOD of Clack in Cologne and asking about the Raptor 1800 keyboard.
If you want to know more you can go ahead and ask me, it was mine.
Maybe you can tell me your reddit /u/ so we can rather talk on reddit.
Cheers!
By far the best slow-motion demo I've ever seen ;-) Great review!
Cheers mate :) .
Interesting to see a couple modern switches on this list when the clicky list was nothing but vintage switches. Wonder why it seems like nobody can make a decent modern clicky switch. Probably Kailh's navy switches are about as good as it gets so long as you're OK with the heavy weight...
I think it's probably easier to make a good linear switch than it is to make a clicky or tactile one.
I have the solution, companies need to be willing to put money into the switches, rather than focusing mass production, thats what hurt the clicky switches the most I believe.
To be honest, the thing that killed off mechanical keyboards was the falling prices of computers. Back then a $900 keyboard was still only a fraction of the cost of a system - no wonder companies could afford to sink some money into a quality product. Budget computers almost invariably had really shit keyboards, though.
Absolutely true, just compare the ZX Spectrum to a 5150 and the difference is night and day, hopefully we don't get a keyboard like that one back as a mainstream desktop board.
Cam P. I dont think you realise how expensive computers were in the 80s
SKCL Greens are the first linears that impressed me!
@MechMerlin dud your videos are so helpful
Oh no! Just when I thought I had explored all the good linear switches, you go and suggest more.
XalphYT heheheh ;D
@@Chyrosran22 By any means, can you tell me if these bloody LK switches are smoother than the Gateron CIY Optical Red and TEALIOS V2?
Anxiously waiting for the reply.
@@atifliaqat8159 I'd bet the LK switches are smoother.
@@atifliaqat8159 Just tryied bloodys and gateron optical red
They are as smooth i cant really say that one is smoother than another i feel like they're as smooth
@@kirasuika2435 thanx... Btw i bought bloody b975 brown...
With lube, the plastic feel is gone and pureclack sound.... Its like switch is on water.
I don't think 'smooth' is actually all that a linear switch needs, but maybe that is precisely why I don't like linear switches :P
My xmit keyboard (ace pad hall effect) simply has no perceivable friction once you lube the stem. None whatsoever. Like typing on pillows of air. That is, until you bottom out, which is like hitting a brick wall followed by a clack that will wake the dead. I think most of the noisiness has to do with the hollow design as well as the minimal stem stabilization contact area to minimize friction. They kind of just float in there all rattly.
Richard Smith Personally, for linear switches, my top priorities are smoothness and weighting. Because of the lack of travel features to mask it, scratchiness stands out a lot on linear switches.
Fair enough. I just find it boring xD I agree smoothness is a 'high priority', but the sound and how it feels to bottom out are also important, too.
The sound is always a high priority for me for ANY switch, yes.
@@Chyrosran22 Is MX Black Silenced the quietest linear switch?
@@jamesm5192 I did a top quietest video as well, check it out! :)
I'm actually a big fan of Cherry MX Silent Reds. Just for the sound alone, can type all day without annoying people around me or while voice chats.
I think I'm in the insanely small minority that prefers a little bit of scratch over completely smooth linear. I can't help but get the feeling that I can't feel anything if it's too smooth. Cherry Red is perfect for that. Though admittedly, I've not tried any of the crazy smooth switches on this list. Maybe they'd sway me over.
I brought the Gigabyte Aorus K9 keyboard which has the Flaretech Red Optical switches. It is very light (just like the bloody ones) and the linearity is very good. These may be not as nice as the bloody ones maybe, but optical switches in general are newer tech AFAIK.
Edit: That slow-mo run was awesome. More surprises like that please.
Even as an afterthought, I'd love to see a list of your favourite (or least derisible) rubber dome switches!
I kinda already did that with my Dome with Slider Megareview. Check it out if you're interested!
Ha, guess I got lucky. Recently picked up a vintage "electronic typing station", which in reality is just a Z80-based computer running CP/M, and it's keyboard uses the SKCL green Alps. I've rarely ever used linear switches, save for maybe the SMK vintage linears in my Apple IIe, and good god these alps are amazing. This is the third Alps switch I've used, and goddamn they've all been marvelous.
Haha, nice! Was it a Heath / Zenith by any chance?
Nope, it's a Panasonic! Next to nothing on it out there, unfortunately. I was able to find a print ad from either PC World or some other computer publication from back in the day though: i.imgur.com/bbTIH8r.png
The keyboard is actually completely detached, no clue why it looks built-in in that ad.
Ah, yes, Alps also made a bunch of Panasonic boards. Most of them are fairly old ones.
That slowmo footage may be the best keyboard test I've ever saw. Genius.
good editing this vid, thanks thomas :)
omid dorrani thanks :)
Dat slow motion footage. I was unable to find the video showing your keyboard shelf, any help?
At 4:05 ... literally LOST IT laughing!!! 🤣
I liked the sound effect you did with the slo mo!
The slow motion keycap crash was hilarious.
3:57 BAHAHAHA
Oh man that was good...
My main board has Healios. They're silent linear, as far from clicky as you can get, but the soft thock of typing on this thing sends me to ASMR heaven every time. I swear, I'm just typing this extra sentence so I can keep listening to the sound they make.
30 billion.... That's the switch mechanism, not the plastic housing or springs of which even Cherry switches will not hit their 50+ million before the plastic or springs fails.
It's so weird owning one of the switches on this list (green alps). I'm actually about to sell them to put matias switches in my Zenith Z150 Keyboard.
Generic Green Squid why...
cause I need cash to buy a better KB (clicky)
Well IBM made the best clicky switches and fujitsu made the best linear switches, I wonder who made the best Tactile switches.
Chetan T I'm betting on Alps.
Alps SKCM Orange?
Obviously Cherry...
@@SMGJohn someone here didn't get a joke and I'm not sure who.
Marcus no gateron made the zeal ios v2 now
I have never even thought about which keyboard switches I use before I watched this series.
Chrysoran22 " but it is easy to swap out the bloody spring" lol
I was not ready for that slow mo
After trying a linear commodore Amiga 2000 Mitsumi version (yes linear) keyboard I might be in love with linear switches!!!
Right now I’m on Cherry MX Reds. I have an IKBC CD108 V2 with thick PBT keycaps and it actually sounds pretty good.
Nice to see At least some of the modern tech still stacks up decently. But nothing beats the classic tanks of classic switches
Epic Crispy Slowmo BRO!!!!! ;-)
;D It took some very expensive equipment to film it! :p
very good video! i personally really like kailh box black, it may be misleading because youd assume theyd have the same weighting as a mx black switch, but they are really nice and light and have all the benifits of a box switch like youve seen in other videos.
You got me with the slo-mo. 😛
I can predict what will be #1 on the tactile roundup ...
Heheheh, I suspect many people can xD . I'm still not sure about the whole list tbh, it's a very tough one to make, much harder than linear and clicky!
Orange alps?
I know you largley find MX style switches to not be very interesting, but if you want a very smooth modern linear you should try Gateron optical yellow, red and black. Even without lube they're smoother than anything I have ever used.
Have you tried the box linear switches? Your opinion might change testing those because they are fantastic
Yes, tried them. No, didn't change.
whelp. In your opinion what switch is the best linear switch that you can actually purchase today, new, and not having to go to buy used somewhere? Would love to buy that optical keyboard though.... if they sold their switches seperately. Apparently it is exclusive to their keyboard.
You wouldn't be able to solder into anything else anyway, as the optical sensing assembly requires a completely different PCB and power settings than do electromechanical switches. They're very light, but very nice, actually. I might well get some stiffer switches in my WASD cluster to fix accidental triggering, but other than that...
Lubed black alps and put one switch without the plate back together by accident, endet up liking them so much that I removed every plate. Amazing linear!
Awesome slow-mo shot. Funny as hell :)
is bloody's switch really this good? because their keyboards are so cheap and im very interested on this, is it worth it?
and also, which model of bloody keyboards did you use in this video?
and also last question, is this box red linear version same as good? or this smoothness is only on this looking like mx black version.
By far my favorite switch in general at the time of typing this is the Alps Green switch. Aboslute joy to use and listen too. And yes, I do like them way more than Blue Alps even.
I wonder Thomas, you didn't put nor even mention Linear Space Invaders. Do you not like them at all?
No, they're pretty good, I like them. In fact, next week's video is about them! But they are a bit on the stiff side for me, and prone to contamination. Other than that they're very nice actually.
I just picked up a tandy 1000 with fujitsu leaf springs for only $45... can't wait to try them
i like clackin on honeywell microswitch hall effects,.... i'm trying to make a 40% with them...oddly enough some of mine are not in great shape as the place i got them had a bunch but they're were LEFT OUTSIDE ...d'oh!,..so some of them have gotten rusty, but I can just take them apart, and clean it a bit and is should be good.
have you tried varmillo EC switches?
I'd like a leaf spring keyboard but I'm not really willing to do the usb conversion process right now. The benefit though is they're quite decently priced because they're such a pain to convert.
I'm currently using mx blacks, quite fond of them, but haven't tried the others on the list.
Wondering how you'd place the steelseries omnipoint on this top 5... presumably it'd make it in.
Have you ever used modded Jailhouse blue switches? I find them to be very interesting in key feel
No, but I've heard lots about them. They're said to be good, but I can't really imagine where the source of tactility is.
What about Gateron reds? Are they no good?
Optical ones are good, i never tryied normal gateron but compared to cherry red they are way smoother
at the point it makes cherry red feel like browns
I am not chyros but that's my opinion
I'm very curious what you think about the Wooting One (mostly the blue switch, since I like tactility :p). Do you have any interest in reviewing it?
Very much so, however they've ceased communication for no apparent reason.
Dang. I already commented but what goes. Wooting one used the Flaretech switches if I recall correctly. These same switches are also there in the Gigabyte Aorus K9 (I got one last month). Mine is the "Red" version which is linear non clicky ones. There is also a "Blue" version which has a click (but not at the actuation point which is 0.03 mm).
Surely today with many new linear contactless switches, some of them can compete with the tops?
What is the board on that last switch? Those key caps are absolutely amazing!
Lux Nox that's a Fujitsu board with a very annoying model number. I nickednamed it the Sanyo, check out its review if you're interested!
knew hall effects would clean up. imo the most interesting switch too.
Yeah, they seem virtually made for the purpose.
Hey Thomas (or anyone for that matter). Can you identify a keyswitch that you think is particularly scratchy? I'd like to find some as distinctive examples.
Graham Wideman plenty! I have a Top X video coming out about that too xD .
Graham Wideman your easiest find would probably be a G81 with MY switches though. Good god xD .
anyone know if ace pad got any better then the last review Thomas made? I'm really jazzed for the hall effect switches, but i'm not sure of the quality of the boards yet.
RIP Green ALPS pricing
I don't think it'll be that bad. Like I mentioned, you can just linearise black or ANY Alps really and end up with a comparable switch.
Chyrosran22 Yeah, I hear you. Black ALPS aren't nearly as scarce as something like Blue ALPS are.
They're also younger and therefore easier to get in clean condition. Green Alps are so old that it's almost impossible to find one that's "used but not fucked". With SKCL green you're virtually condemned to having to find NOS material.
Gateron Yellow and Kailh Silver. Both are very smooth.
I honestly think I'd enjoy Gat Yellows a fair bit. But I refuse to rate switches I don't own or at least have loaned a full board of. I've only tried them at meetups.
Chyrosran22 I’m ordering a bunch soon, wouldn’t mind sending some your way. Love your videos man! You have an excellent ratio of honest in depth analysis paired alongside your carefully chosen comic relief. Thumbs up
I love my Kailh silver keyboard its so nice
Fujitsu's leaf spring patent expired years ago. You should talk to people to get it back on the market. Maybe NovelKeys could help.
Do the first generation MX-mount.
The first-gen one is very stiff, although it's an excellent switch otherwise. For much the same reason as manufacturers refuse to release COMPLICATED Alps clones, I think that these switches are too expensive to reproduce, though.
Great work 😁 could you lube a "scratchy" mx black and test against vi tage unlubed? Tried lubing 100 from my 6gv2 and they became really nice afterwards.
Have to agree about Cherry MX Black. Have my old dead board and desoldiered the switches off the Filco Majestouch Ninja and they sound much less "raspy" than newer ones. Either they have to be REALLY be worn in to rub away plastic or Cherry dropped the quality on the true linear feel. Probably both.
i don't know if i'll get an answer since the video is kind of old but, is there any place i can get an ace pad tech hall effect keyboard, or anything similar? (what made me want to get the hall effect is its reliability and well, it being linear)
man how did you afford the slow mo camera? that looks damn good.
Thanks for the list (linear ftw)
I know right, it was filmed at 780,000 FPS!
but.. the human eye can't see over 30fps.... 🤔🤔
correct me if im wrong, it bloody brand are from a4tech?
can you review all your switches?
I do not even know where to get one of those switches... And if i have them, I would not know where to find a single pcb to use that with. Let alone a Keycap set or a case and all the other parts. HOW DO I GET THIS GOODNESS?
Thomas I must ask if you could only use one switch one board one set of keycaps which would they be
Something IBM that I hope to show you in a few months ;) .
Gateron black switches feel just right to me. Also Kailh box black feel and sound nice, but maybe a bit too heavy
I was under the impression from others that the Acepad Hall Effect switches were quite scratchy, even the R2 models.
They are not as friction-free as most of us had expected considering other Hall effect switches, no. However, compared to other switches they're still very smooth, and when lubed it becomes basically friction-free. The Bloody switches are smoother than APT HE, but I don't like the travel characteristics quite as much.
6:10 Dat Question Mark. I need it.
SA Fujitsu coming up? ;D
man, i wanna find some old ass rounded cap keybords.
If it's just the "rounded caps" you're interested in, then these are referred to as "spherical" keycaps, as opposed to the more common "cylindrical" ones found on most keyboards. But you can buy sets of those spherical keycaps to fit Cherry and other keyswitches. FWIW, spherical keycaps come in at least two different profiles: SA and DSA. Example docs: pimpmykeyboard.com/key-cap-family-specs/
And you might enjoy this, for example: matt3o.com/about-mt3-profile-and-devtty-set/
I think you meant "cylindrical" the second time you wrote spherical in quotes :)
@Riflemanm16a2 yes you're right, I fixed that.
can you get them for IBM bucking springs? becase my only bords i like that i can use on modern PC's are model F XT and model M's, i got some nice alps apples but cant afford the adapter and i dont heavily use my power PC's
Quick question but is there a place where i can buy mechanical switches (specifically in Europe or the UK preferably), i've looked through Amazon, gumtree and eBay but i can't find anything (I'm asking as i want to build my own keyboard at some point)
Orlando Ford there are a few European keyboard stores that offer switches.
Here is one in UK: mechboards.co.uk
Another one in Belgium: mykeyboard.eu
You can also create an account on the European mechanical keyboard forum deskthority.net and talk with the people there because some of them may have switches for sale.
EU: CandyKeys.com and Reichelt.de have Cherry MX switches in boxes of 110 for €40.
UK: www.ukkeycaps.co.uk
Outside the EU: kbdfans.myshopify.com, Mehkee.com, and NovelKeys.com have interesting switches
3:57 no, it is impossible to be used for 5000 years since the spring will properly gave up first.
Can someone tell me what vintage keyboards use linear switches that at good? When I mean vintage I mean between the 1984-1989
I wonder if there's going to be a top 5 keycaps list?
Top 1 would be gmk
@@christianalbertcarillo7117 I think gmk are very good, but this is chyrosan, he doesnt really like modern switches and keycaps. He would probably prefer slightly thicker older keycaps. He also probably wouldn't like that they shine eventually because they are abs, and lets face it: 150-250 is a LOT for keycaps. But gmk sorta set that standard
Thomas, where can i find vintage boards? I am from germany and there are literally no good vitage boards on ebay.
Thanks in advance
Then you're in luck! Germany probably has the best access to vintage mechanical keyboards of any European country.
Chyrosran22 where is the best place to find them ?
Thanks for the answer
I'm sure the German keyboard community can give you better advice, but I've seen tons and tons of great stuff come by on ebay.de . If it wasn't all QWERTZ I'd have bought tons off it by now.
@_!!!ODIN!!!_ For example, you can fin alots of Cherry g80-1000 boards there.
Thanks for the help :)
Please review the IBM industrial XT keyboard(aka industrial Model F)!!
Is the razer optical switch identical to the bloody lk light strike?
Alps SKCL switches are technically tactile switches. But I love them.
This is true, there is a tiny tactile artefact in the key travel. I think it helps a lot with the keyfeel, it takes away the sterility that other linear switches have.
Chyrosran22 It's quite ironical that Cherry MX brown is hated because of the tactile events, but SKCLs are loved beacause of that. I think the tactility is not about its magnitude, but is about its gradient. Ths tactility of Topre and SKCL is weak, but their long tactile travel make them pleasant.
I don't quite get the thing about linear keyboard switches... Isn't the whole point behind mechanical switches that you get feedback when it actuates?
All I can say is, it took a great linear switch before I "got" it.
Where can I buy Fujitsu leaf spring switches?
mainstream youtubers be like "my favourite is cherry mx red..."
oMG mX rEd IS mY wIFe plZ SPoNsOr!!1!1111
what about the new steeelseries linear electromagnetism switches? i think thats the new end game in linear switches for gamers
Have you tried Cherry MX Silvers yet?
Nope! I own one, but noty a board.
What are some good switches that are both linear and clicky?
There are none.
I'm loving my Healio switches, personally
nice! I have tealios v2, They are very smooth. They are normally kinda high pitched but I managed to make them nice and thocky, and im really enjoying them!
My top 5 linears
1. Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition Linear Optical Switches
2. Apex Pro omipoint switches
3. Cherry MX Speed Silver/ Razer Yellow
4. Cherry MX Red
5. Cherry MX Silent Red
@wlrdarko opinion dude, I know a lot about mechanical keyboards. You may not like my list but that's just my opinion, in fact this is outdated anyways but still
@wlrdarko I found them pretty good, my friend owns cherry mx reds and they feel nice. Stop thinking I'm inexperienced but I actually am, I own a mechanical keyboard at home, I watch many, many videos, even on the new ones. Leave my opinions alone and I'll leave yours alone, just don't bash mine and call me an 11 year old Fortnite kid. On top of it, adults and teens play fortnite too btw
@wlrdarko hell I even research about some of more obscure and older switches even.
@wlrdarko can you just leave me alone, god
All I know is that I kinda hate cherry mx black.
Written via cherry mx black.
Were can i buy a keyboard with the micro switch hall effects
Starting to think that slow motion is fake but I have no proof.
why do you sound like postal dude
THAT SLOW-MO LMAOOOOOO
No cherry browns? :(
Just because MX Shit are linear doesn't make them good ones :p .
Chyrosran22 AHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Anyone know what keyboard I could look for to find the micro switch hall effects?
Where do u buy the lk light strike??
Does anyone know which model is this bloody keyboard?
I like MX blacks, probably the only MX switch I like but I like it with passion as it is in my daily driver. Fight me!
i used my by now ancient raptor gaming k1 which has MX blacks for like a decade for everything but mainly gaming and i really have come to like em. Typing this right now on a MX speed silver on my K70 rgb rapidfire ;)
That final typing sound was a bit too scratchy for my tastes..
Bro before I read the title in the thumbnail I thought those were legos
Nice video thats cool
where are the cherry mx browns?
Buyee will be rubbing their hands with glee, as everyone rushes to Japanese auctions to get Fujitsu boards...
Almost all Fujitsu boards are unusable anyway, even the ones with DIN plugs :p .