Poor value Bachmann LMS Inspection Saloon | Unboxing & Review
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A full review of Bachmann's LMS inspection saloon in OO scale. A lovely model, but do the features match the price?
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0:00 Intro
2:10 Unboxing
4:30 Prototype Info
5:17 Detail
10:03 Performance
13:33 Ratings
15:55 Final Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
A typical working with these would be : Go to wherever it is the inspection is taking place. Park up (yes, in the section). Wind the steps down on the side. Several Inspectors, Traffic, Traction, Signalling, PW and any others tagging along, would disembark and go and poke things about. (This is where I felt I'd wondered into an old black & white film) Meanwhile the Steward would produce a three course lunch for the Inspectors (the Guard got to sit and watch, no grub - not even tea). They would sit down, round the table, and be served their dinner by the Steward. When done, they'd pack up and the train would go home. A surreal experience.
Sam, for reference those ,’wires’ on the roof and the ends (which are found on most Mk1 and earlier designs) are actually pipes to allow staff to refill the water tanks for the kitchen and the toilet. This is done by attaching a hose pipe over the end of the pipe.
And the way you can tell the tank is full is when water starts pissing out the nozzle on the opposite side of the coach! 🤣
Yes, i often replay this fact in my head when people ask!
Did you open it up to see if the toliet was molded?
If I remember correctly from when I opened mine up to fit “passengers” (for what of a better term), yes, it did.
Lol
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You get time off in Loo for that remark lol :)
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Hi Sam,
Just a slight correction. The metal pipes at each end are not handrails, they are water pipes for refilling the kitchen & toilet water tanks. I certainly agree with you on the "rip off" status.
“If you wanted to fit passengers and members of staff, you’d have to AMPUTATE THEIR LEGS”
I thought all LMS staff were already short. 🤣🤣🤣
you haven't got a clue whatsoever, my grandad worked for the LMS and he was 6ft
@@dtb2654 you apparently don’t know how to take a joke….you gen “z” people are rather slow when it comes to jokes.
@@nikerailfanningttm9046 And so much else.
The problem a manufacturer has with selling Inspection Saloons is that people will only buy one rather than buying a whole rake of them. If you compare this model with similar models the price is about right. Dapol are asking £149 for their inspection saloon and Revolution were charging £133. Both of those models had lights, DCC control and sprung buffers. But they do cost £40+ more. You get what you pay for
It has no lights, but yet @ 7:14 it says "Emergency Lighting" lol 😂 🚂🚂🚂
I have a 80s Lima auto coach gives this a run for the money , never understood the addiction to sprung buffers as they never touch
Never knew Lima made an auto coach. Airfix and descendants yes.
My mistake John it is a Airfix one , just in a Lima box DOH !
Yeah and you wouldn't see them move, even if they did.
Good on ya Sam, Keeping Them Honest for The Price You Paid. Bachmann has a Great Track Record..for Ripping US OFF .Keep up your Excellent reviews.👍👍😁
Being a bit biased here as I have an LMS Inspection saloon too and it's really well made and it looks lovely infront of any diesel loco. I will agree though that for the price you don't exactly get your money's worth when it doesn't even have interior lights fitted!
The good thing is that Bachmann have very thoughtfully started putting in pickups on the bogies which makes retro fitting light PCBs way easier now, something cannot be said with the likes of Hornby who still aren't doing that yet!
Expensive
that's because he purchased it recently, 9 years ago it was reasonable, he is an idiot reviewing older stuff because he expect it to be 2024
Which is exactly the problem, it's no longer worth the price you pay for when it's simply not up to the standard of modern spec coaches anymore. Nothing to do with Sam being an "idiot" as such, that's just you not being able to accept criticism and failing to understanding the term "value for money".
Bachmann could have very easily updated the tooling to just include some lights in the saloon when they did a new batch back in 2022 as there's plenty of space inside to fit the rectifiers, capacitors, etc but chose not to and that's pretty typical of them.
I absolutely love mine, I bought it new, last year for £60 and I’m very happy with it. I was disappointed with the lack of lighting though and the difficulty of disassembly for fitting lighting and passengers, both of which are on my to do list 😁 a fair review overall in my opinion.
It's an old model. Got a couple of these at about £45-50 mint second hand. Felt that was a fair price. I'd out it in the wait for it to be on offer category.
Besides the price the coach is indeed lovely, and the LMS train you put together for the performance test looked really great.
Great video Sam!
Great review Sam! I always enjoy your rolling stock ones as I don’t have much nice rolling stock other than a few Bachmann wagons and a Bachmann toad, so it’s nice to see some other more modern rolling stock so I can decide what to purchase.
The tooling is around 10 years old - and as such the lack of lights etc is understandable from a model of that vintage.
As such it’s perhaps more of a case of it being overpriced than the model intrinsically being a poor one.
how much design effort is it to glue micro LEDs to inside of roof?
@@gleggett3817 The point is with the coach costing £70 quid you shouldn’t have too!
If the coach could be bought new for around £40 then you might have a point.
@@philkeller4170 Sorry I wasn't clear - my point I was trying (badly?) to make was that it shouldn't take much for Bachmann to add some modern features.
For me Sam I probably would get another one of these for my layout, there's just something about them which I really like. Although I would pay alot for it.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah I do like the coaches too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
They normally operate alone without other coaches. The other coaches look poor when coupled to the bachmann inspection saloon
Awesome video Sam's trains
Thanks Brian!
Question - why is there such a height difference between the buffers (see 10:50) surely in real life the buffers would lock together?
Yeah, I noticed that too..!
And that would drive me insane to see that. 🤯
Can't help but wonder.? 'Who's got their Scale wrong..!!'
Looks like a HO vs OO mis-match to me..!!
Suprised Sam didn't Pick it up. He's usually all over those kinda Issues..!!
Cheers kim in Oz.😎
That buffer height was inherited from Triang production with the high buffer height to give clearance for sharp changes in gradient found in their inclined pier sets. This continued well into the renaming as Hornby era.
One of many compromises trying to satisfy the toy train market.
The Inspection saloon's buffer heights are correct. The passenger coaches are elderly railroad standard vehicles with incorrect ride height.
I love the Princess Royal Class locomotive with which your three carriages are being hauled!!
Awesime video sam! I think its a really beautiful livery as all br maroons are, however the detail is very simplistic - completely unacceptable for the price! Great review sam
Thanks Jack - yeah it's a cracking livery isn't it? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@SamsTrains I just realised the livery is lms maroon 😅😅
Great review, but a huge shake that bachmann still cannnot produce a decently priced coach, might be worth comparing it to the Revolution SR inspection saloon?
Buffer heights are correct - it is the coaches that are way out when coupled to the train. This is good value for money compared with other single coaches from other manufacturers - lighting would ad about £40 to the price.
40 pounds for lighting.. dear god I had no idea Brit modellers were so cuckolded haha.
I enjoyed your review Sam. I agree. Typically over-expensive as new from Bachmann. I've had my eye on these coaches for a long time but wasn't prepared to pay the extortionate price. However, I picked up this same version recently from a reputable seller on a well-known auction site for £45.60 in excellent condition so I'm glad I waited.
Looks like another item of rolling stock for the ROR - "Rip-Off-Railway". Thanks for uploading.
The 'handrails' on the ends are actually water filler pipes for the on- board facilities. Lovely looking coach albeit rather expensive... I have recently got hold of an Exley LMS Inspection Saloon, made about 70 years ago and pretty much mint! It too is a wonderful piece of kit, not quite as detailed though!!
I was always interested by this model ever since I found out it exists, and I'm glad you finally did a review on it. I do hope you get more modern coaches so you san stop using those old Hornby RailRoad ones with high-spec locomotives
Sam, would you ever consider redoing Railway Roundabout anytime soon?
It could be argued that the moulded detail on the roof is more robust than separately fitted details but it would then help if the price reflected this.
Hi Sam Great Review as Always, Thanks.
As someone who is upgrading their Old LMS Maroon coaches.
This Coach looked like a Must Have.!
But no Interior lights, what a total Bummer.
Although the Bogie Pickups,
"Could make that easier to do..?"
I couldn't help but notice the Height difference between the Coach you coupled up to.?
(I am not Alone in this Observation.!)
Any idea why, because that would Drive me Bonkers.!?
Or was it again, designed for Short People.
As in, Less Headroom required.?
Great review Sam. I would love to add one of these Coaches to my Collection, but at a $150 AUD. It may take a While.
Thanx for your Work Sam, you are the Man..!
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Cheers All, Kim in Oz. 😎
Nice carriage. There's a new real railway video on my channel I never expected to be able to show off. For the first time in my life, I've seen and captured a Steam Dreams Railtour on the main line. The steam engine hauling the train was LNER A4 Sir Nigel Gresley. She stopped at Chester Station, where I was waiting for a more modern train to take me elsewhere. Watch the video, and you'll see I also captured two stinky diesels on the run: a Class 50 on the Severn Valley Railway, and a Class 86 Electric Diesel at Crewe while waiting for my last connecting train back to Chester. I've achieved this all by myself. My Dad would have loved it.
I have this in N gauge and it's one of my favourite coaches. Despite the scale difference the level of detail looks almost identical, which looks incredible at that size, and on sale it was less than £30.
I'm not sure what Bachmann was thinking just scaling it up and charging over double the price.
Totally agree Sam. A very nice looking inspection coach with very nice artwork but at such a price! A pretty basic build for almost £90, what’s going on? Take a look at the Accurascale BR MK1 Non-gangway coaches due soon. Die cast chassis, lights, sprung buffers and a whole host of separately fitted detail for £25 less.
Do Bachmann expect not to sell many inspection coaches or are they trying to recoup the cost of production in just a dozen sales? I like your comment of it being a smooth runner because I get the feeling we’re being taken for a ‘bump’ ride. One thing I would take issue with that you mentioned, the coach end “hand rails”, they’re actually filler pipes for the toilet and kitchen water tanks. A small detail, often overlooked.
All said and done, a fine looking coach that in my book, fails to deliver on VFM. dB
Yes I got this model and think I paid around £50 as I got one from the first tranche.
I did think it was expensive but also congnisent of the fact its a low run item.
Has always run very well and love running it behind LMS period 3 coaches.
Hi Sam! Great video! I believe I have a an hom item (same gauge as tt) that you’ve never seen before. I have no use for it personally as I have no tt trains to use it with. I know you do though, so I was wondering if you had a P.O. Box I could send it to? I guarantee you don’t have it in your collection! And I’m sure you could buy more parts to add on to it!
You're definitely late to the party with this one, they were available a few years ago for a smidge under £50. Much more palatable at that price. I wouldn't fork out £90 for another one, but I might be tempted if I find the right one around the £70 mark in the right livery.
There's one of these at the Great Central Railway that our models Railway club were discussing hiring at Christmas. It's £800 though so definitely a group thing.
I picked up the Accurascale mk2s which are amazing and £60 RRP so seeing your opinion on those would be very interesting indeed.
I will say right now that I am getting myself one of these more specifically I’m going to be looking at getting the Intercity Swallow one as I have a rake of mk1 coaches in Intercity Swallow and a couple of locos that did run with a rake of mk1s and the inspection saloon so regardless of whether it is a rip off I am still looking to get one because as I say I have stock and locos that did run with an inspection saloon, on a different note though I have today just got my first sound Decoder, the model that it is for is my new 158 and I have to say it’s very good, very pleased to finally be experiencing DCC Sound.
Ahh fantastic - the Intercity one looks delightfully unusual - sounds good!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That would look amazing in the Intercity livery!!!
Dapol GWR toplight coaches. Metal frames, sprung buffers, interior detail and lighting. Plus working tail light on brake coaches. And the price.. £55.08 at the retailer.
Can you not "clean" it before filming? Wow There is more dust than coach
why are the buffers and roofline lower than the other coaches?
I have to confess the two liveries I wanted blue/grey and intercity I got them in a 50% sale at TMC needs must I’m afraid.great service from then 😊
That's so cool sam
I have one in BR maroon, bought 2nd hand for about £25, which is about what its worth. Its basically the same level of detail as the bachmann mk1s released about 20 years ago, excepting the fact it has pickups and NEM pocket cams at the correct height.
To use etched brass for the wipers, door handles and grab rails would be cheaper than the way they have been done. Even if they were provided to be added by the purchaser, it would be much better. We get etched additions to our T-gauge rolling stock.
Looks like something to knock up with a bit of traditional kit bashing if you really wanted one. Are Heljan releasing the same model this year?
Interesting video thanks Sam's train's 👍😊🤩😎😁
Thanks a lot Sam! :D
At first glance the coach looks okay but it seems to be not the latest tooling. And for the money, you should be expecting serious more details such as interior light, a more detailed interior, running light(s) at the back (if these had them), perhaps even some figures... The price is quite shocking for what you get tbh, which of course explains the 2 stars for value for money. Cheerio.
Are you excited for the New Dapol GWR inspection saloon coach
Sam, is it the old coaches that are too high or the inspection saloon that is too low as the buffers of the two do not seem to align up?
Old coaches are incorrect, the Inspection Saloon is fine in this regard.
The old LMS coaches are way too high. All Triang/Hornby models used to be that way. In later production runs they seem to have modified the bogies to lower the coaches so they didn't look so awful compared with other brands. On occasions I would lower Triang/Hornby stock by fitting smaller goods vehicle disc wheels rather than filing down the bogie mounts, or having to drill out the brass rIvets that used to hold Triang bogies on. Not ideal but saved a lot of bother that contemporary modellers don't have to put up with.
@@cathybrind2381 Thanks, I did suspect it would be down to the older coaches.
I'm afraid you have to pay £150 these days for the Revolution Trains inspection coach if you want all the extra features.
It's a shame for the limited features, but I guess as people won't be buying multiples like a normal passenger coach, it's a limited run, and the tooling costs and work involved in development eat into the asking price for these models. On another note, I am looking lovingly at Dapol's GWR Q13 inspection saloon, it's double the price but they listed all the cool DC & DCC features and I preordered one based on the prototypes, as I'm such a GWR fan. ❤
Were the earlier batches fitted with a suite of lights??? Sure they were.
Did Sam review the top light coaches and I missed it?
Love my inspection saloon,I have the blue and grey one, a train all on its own
Glad you look out for the consumer..... the manufacturer should try that as well
Hey sam, is there a possibility that you can review a scaletrains locomotive (you can't really find them at trainworld, sadly) and a review of the bachmann dash 8 (which is on trainworld)?
How does it stack up vs Revolution Caroline inspection saloon? That's a VERY expensive coach! But much more sophisticated model.
I’m curious about that as well, Dapol/Rails also make a salon that is also very expensive, I believe the Revolution and Dapol ones are both £150!!!?!
Another great video Sam, Nice but like you said expensive. I would love to know what they are paying for the coach from China. I understand they have high costs but surely the price they want is way above most peoples reach.
Hi Sam, I saw your Hornby Thomas and friends set which features Thomas with Annie and Clarabel. Can you please make a review on Annie and Clarabel by bachmann seeing that you have made a bachmann Thomas and review, and I hope you like it. And for the LMS Saloon coach, I think it’s average.
Time for Sam to send another one back to the store for a refund ! 💸
May I enquire, whats the point of electrical pickups, but nothing powered, lights etc. Bizarre
Lovely vid
I recall paying about £45 for a blue and grey version from a model show pre-Covid.
I have problems with model cars for cargo and passenger is there price. I wish for that price we should get at least two in one box.
I likes mine didn't have the glue marks ect and rails and a few orhers quite often have these on sale for under £40
That’s quite an attractive carriage. I like it as an interesting vehicle that isn’t very often seen on model railways.
I've got 1 nice model. I brought mine second hand and it was still a bit rich for second hand. But Bachmann are taking the .... As you would expect today lights etc for the money you pay fur it new .
I wonder if Bachmann would bother fitting the missing ammenities based on reviews like yours. I remember the dark days of model railroading in the 70s where I might have got grain of sand lights but the floor was just a length of metal to add weight. Detail has come a very long way regardless of your attention to their lack of detail.
I always wanted one of these and got the blood & custard version. I agree, it's a charming model but without the lights, it's barely worth the £75 I paid let alone £90!!
It looks to be a shorter in height than the coaches in front of it. Is it or are the others the correct height? Perhaps it is the viewing angle in the video that gives the illusion of a height differential. I did notice a difference in multiple shots.
This is a very good coach to have, I have it in BR blue/grey livery and it cost me just under £60 last year, this review didn’t show the pick ups on the bogies ready for the feeds to lighting that might be added at a later date, I’m sure Hornby don’t do this on many their coaches, maybe Sam could review a Revolution Trains ‘Caroline’ coach in future to see a super detailed piece of rolling stock.
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It did and I missed it, shame about the lighting but if Bachmann had fitted any it would have been even more expensive, perhaps in the £120 plus area.
Does look really good despite lack of lighting
I'd be happy to be corrected with evidence, but i dont think the LMS inspection saloon had the yellow/black/yellow lining below the windows in period because it wasn't a revenue earning coach so to make it authentic in that regard would be a pain. I think its only correct for modern heritage repro livery. In-period pictures are scarce, the only one I've ever seen (in essery/ jenkinson book) definitely doesn't have that lining. I have a comet one i built, which cost less to buy and gave me lots of lovely model making and research time - thats what i enjoy most. Having said all that, i do like it, and the price to a degree reflects it being a niche model.
Can you please do a review On devious diesel Bachmann Skill
My interest in Bachmann carriages is the National Railway Museum Support Carriage.
Awesome video today Sam beautiful coach such a shame about the price
Lovely looking vehicle. Too expensive by far. Even my Hornby GWR coaches have metal sprung buffers & picked them up new for often less than half the price of this one. Cheers Sam.
I agree with comments below that point out that this is a specialty coach, with low production runs, and has to be more costly than their "standard" coaches just because of the cost of molds and setup. I also agree that the detailing is less than great, but I can't afford the far superior ones from other manufacturers. We have to remember that most viewing of our railway modeling layouts is from a distance of 100 to 500 feet (scaled, naturally) and just think what you can see on the 1:1 items from that distance. For once, I tend to disagree with your rating.
There's 1 maybe 2 on the Bleavon railway
I managed to track a New one down for £60 and still felt ripped off, for nearly £90 I`d would expect working lights on a Dcc fitted chip, And while I removed it from the box on camera, The handrail parts fell out on the table.
Same the coach wasn’t as good for the price but I kinda did this expect this from Bachman lol
Kind of sad that Bachmann sometimes overprice things. They could easily afford to not. Also, my new Hobbytown e unit weighs 890 grams! Thanks as always Sam.
Yeah it's a pity, especially with some of the awesome value we see from other companies! Wow that's super heavy :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Presumably you have access to Bachmann's audited accounts to be so sure they could afford to sell this at a different price.
I'm guessing that it what we here in the States would call a Business Car?
Generally speaking, from a UPRR guy, using #107 and 108 as examples, US business cars would have sleeping accommodations in rooms, a rear veranda, a stocked bar, and some office-y furniture, and be about 80' in length.
Sam, remember the remote control device that nearly burned up your model railway? Will it be possible to use it to control interior lighting of a coach or railcar on DCC power? You don't have to worry about my safety we use sketchy electronics all the time haha.
Yeah it absolutely would be - I have thought of that but didn't want to risk it again haha!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Compared with hornbys observation car from about 15 years ago....or even their super detail pullmans of 20 years ago...these are pants!
It's a nice model, but at that price it's not going to have many takers. But if your layout calls for a LMSR Inspection Saloon, it's your only choice.
So glad the new manufacturers are putting Bachmann to shame with this ridiculous price
Looks like a smaller scale than the other coaches. Roof height and buffers are lower, and it looks narrower
Inspection coach is OK. Other coaches are not!
Unfortunately, we are getting dangerously close to £70 for a OO coach with wheel pickups being cheap. I feel your bitterness as always…😊👍👍
why does it have power pick-ups as it seems to have no reason for them.
No reason not to install working lamps which with a diode can be automatically switched to apply given the direction of travel. A reed switch (as on the Hornby generic coaches) could be used to change the lamps from the tail lamp set to the leading coach configuration in white, should one be modelling that formation.
Nice coach with a beautiful finish, but as you say vastly over priced. I'd expect an RRP of about £45-£60 tops.
For comparison Hornby's LMS coronation coaches which have great detail and working table lamps have an RRP of £60.49 and you can get them for £40-£50 new in the model shops.
There's making a fair profit and then there's taking the piss. Bachmann consistently do the latter which is why I've never bought anything new from Bachmann.
I'd happily pick one up for a sensible price second hand though, which is how I get anything made by Bachmann.
10:47 bit of a glitch there sam
I think the only thing the inspectors are going to be inspecting is the OO-scale martinis they order from the kitchen/wet bar. 😂
was gonna order one a while back....won't bother now.
I'm quite shocked by this review. Bachmann stealthily doing a Hornby 'Design Clever ' job 😕 which is more suited to Railroad Range, not a premium model at a premium price.
Bachmann created a short-run model to create rarity, and hence allowing them to inflate the price. By the way, yes, I have one.
Me: Waiting Patiently for Heljan BR class 28 diesel.
I know that someday, my patience will pay off. And when the Heljan BR class 28 is reviewed, I would like to see the BR class 28 pull a train of Vans to match the round Roof of the BR class 28.
As silly as it sounds this isn’t bad for an inspection salon, there is one coming from Dapol for £150!!!! Saying Dapol has better prices doesn’t work for this one, but I agree that it is still pricy for what you get
Yeah that is very true - it's a Rails exclusive I believe and those are usually extremely expensive - though that has many more features such as lighting and more detailed interior!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah it sounds like it’ll be a better model overall, but defenetly not better value…