I actually edited this bit out of the video cos I ballsed it up! They are not good on hard pads, the texture of the vortex dot is quite hard, so you dont get any benefit from using them on hard pads. Recommend not doing it.
This is really what I need! I've been wanting to replace my stock feet for a long time, but I put the idea off because I didn't know what to focus on. Thanks, Log, I’m now looking at vortexes)
I received my Obsidian Pro today :D I haven't had the time to play with them but on the wraith control I don't have any LOD problems on my MZ1 (they look quite thin compared to the red obsidian). So for now I'm very happy with them (even though they're quite expensive). I hope this material will keep its promise in terms of durability (but if skypad and x-raypad are behind their creation I doubt it will be disappointing in the long term). They are my new favorite skates out of the box (maybe until TJ exclusive CeraSkate release). And the fact that they decided not to make the same excessive curved edges as on the red obsidian for me is really a very good point. Great review, keep up the good work
Thanks Talion! It's great you're still getting some use out of your Wraith Control 👍 I'm excited for the ceraskate too, I haven't seen too much news recently but I'm sure we'll see more soon! Take care bro 🙏
@@Log_Pile Thanks, U 2. Yeah i still really enjoy the pad when i don't have any LOD issue with it. I must only use skates that are not too thick with some mice and be careful if i buy other mice which do not clearly have two options for the LOD (1mm and 2mm) so... R.I.P brands like Razer and Logitech for now :S. I will not buy another glass pad before selling my Superglide Polarity when it will become out of stock everywhere so i will still use the wraith for a while. Then i will try the Cerapad KIN or the new control glass pad from the whale (i don't remember the name) or any other good control glass pad that will be released until then. I really hope that the CeraSkate will be the cheat code for infinite durability on hard pad :D
Yes and I failed to mention the sound in the video! I don't mind the sound personally, but to address your point, the vaxee skates are a softer material compared to the Obsidian Pros, which makes sense when you talk about increased noise levels on a hard surface
since you got to try UHMW feet now, i'd love to see you try out diy UHMW feet. a 16 meter roll should cost about 10 bucks. mine is quite thin (.28mm) so i have to fashion something to get a consistent fit. ptfe skates aren't completely flat, so punching out dots out of the tape and slapping them onto the skates isn't the best way there is. if this all works out it effectively means ULTRA cheap mousefeet until the end of time.
Hey Mark! Reportedly (from Ghostglides) there is a break in period, but I have played on them for a long time now and they don't appear to have changed in any meaningful way so far. Although I am using them on 3 diff mice, I've sunk about 10-15 hrs of use into 1 pair and they seem similar to the 'out of the box' experience to me. It may vary depending on the pad you use? I'm not sure though, I've been using the GSR 2 mainly - which isn't at all abrasive.
hey, thanks. I'm planning on using it either on my equate or my aqua control zero, so if on the later I assume id have pretty good control on the ac0@@Log_Pile
just put an order in for a skypad since they had another huge clearance sale, would never buy one at full price though. needed a new pad since my zowie gtfx is starting to be quite worn and has slowed down in the middle a fair bit. would have got their obsidians too but seems they're out of stock sadly. based on your feedback, I'm definitely going to keep an eye out for when they re-stock
@@Log_Pile I'm gonna give myself a good month or two to adjust first. I've used mouse accel for a really long time and I think the low static friction and faster initial mouse speeds will probably need some fiddling of my sens/accel curve for a little while, so ideally I'd like to settle on something to find a new baseline before dropping money on anything else really appreciate your skypad 3.0 review btw, no nonsense and straight to the point. made it easier to imagine what to expect
@@Log_Pile will do :) out of curiosity, I've never understood why people talking about mouse feet mention surface area as though it affects the friction. the physics formula for the coefficient of friction doesn't factor surface area in at all, nor is it a factor in things like vehicle tires. 200hp motorcycles on street legal tires have a tiny contact patch for example, but that doesn't lead to them doing burnouts on every motorway on-ramp. motorbike tires are only made stickier than car tires due to the much lower weight of bikes, as mass is factored in to how friction is calculated in my experience the only thing that changes between dot mouse feet and larger ones (assuming they're both made out of the same material) is that on cloth pads the dots sink into them much more easily, making them feel slower since the plastic underside of the mouse drags more on the pad. obviously on a hard pad though this just doesn't happen. it's why on cloth pads I tend to add the extra feet a mouse comes with around the sensor so that when the middle sinks in, only PTFE touches the pad. if surface area affects friction, I'd notice a drop in speed from doing this but I never have. I'm pretty confident you could try adding more obsidian dots to one of your mice and you'll see that the glide on the skypad won't be affected, if anything spreading out the weight of your mouse+hand across more than just 4 dots will probably extend the life of them by decreasing the wear on each individual dot
@twpsyn I've seen this point raised a number of times, and all I can say is it certainly feels like there's a difference to me. It's possible that is some sort of placebo effect, but if nothing else, a bigger surface area tends to provide more surface feel "feedback" through the base of the mouse and maybe thats what I'm confusing myself with. You raise a good question, I'm not sure what the answer is honestly! To me dots have always felt faster than a form fitted mouse foot. But I'm no physicist! Maybe you could try it on the SkyPAD?
Great review brother! I actually just got a set of skypad dots in and i may need to give them a go. I have been an obsidian guy for awhile and i may need to give it a go. I have been still rocking my empress and occasionally my XrayPad equate plus V2
Dude, it's been too long!! I'm enjoying the Dark Chaos at the moment aswell :) You should give the Cyclones a go too if you get a chance, I reckon you'd like them. What mouse are you using at the moment??
@LogPileGaming It has been too long friend. I am still rocking my modded MZ1. It really is a lot of fun to play with! I may need to give the cyclones a go and see how they feel.
Very well put together and informative review. Thank you. I do have one question unless I missed it. The Normal obsidian dot skates are still great on the skypad 3.0 right? Are they just as durable but I guess it would be a tad bit faster than the obsidian pro’s?
Thanks Knocked! Yes they're very similar to the Cyclones I tested here except they are a slightly bit bigger. I've used the normal obsidian dots for a long time and they're a great option 🫡 and yes they're a bit faster than the obsidian pros
@@Log_Pile appreciate the response man. I think I might try them out first on the skypad since they are cheaper and fairly similar. If they are too fast I guess I can always wait till they wear out and try the Obsidian pro version.
Yessir, probably not a dedicated video but i will do a mega round up for all my glass pads with the padsmith product included
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Great videos ty ! I have the cyclones, the edgerunners diy and the vortex’s but i can’t perform well with vortex cause they’re too slow and they restricting my aiming ability i need a between like not too fast but not too slow aswell ! What do you think it’s better ? Cyclone or edgerunners? For mostly tac fps !
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Before i was using the Corepad ctrl and i was performing not that bad so maybe something similar in speed ^^
I was thinking of trying the xray/skypads for cloth for maximum control until your video ! What do you recommend for max control/friction then for cloth in your experience, obsidians?
I am currently using the Obsidian Pro skates on a GPX on a pulsar superglide glasspad. The control they give has been great, and now I am kind of looking for slightly more control even. I play on a very high sens, pure wrist aim so low static friction is a must for me, but right now I still get slight airhockey feeling. Would you recommend the Cerapad KIN or would that be too drastic of a change? My 2nd fastest pad is the Artisan Raiden and even with jade skates it has way too much static friction for my sens.
I personally love the cerapad kin, but it would be a big change from the superglide (almost like an entirely different surface to learn), I would maybe look for a wraithe esports cosmic glass control (note ive heard from some viewers they have tracking issues with new skates?! I didnt have this issue). Or you could consider the Atlas, its a great pad with slightly more control than the superglide.
@@Log_Pile I have heard about esports Lotus glass pads, they have a textured and smooth version at 75 USD, are these potentially in your radar for possible reviews? i'd love to know how the obsidian pro's control on them.
got my skypad today, using with jade dots gonna upgrade to obsidian / skypad dots in some time. love the skypad for ow2, but aimtraining not really and fortnite also not really, but for 55 euro an endgame ow pad is such a deal. prolly gonna try some other glaspasds after i buy one more mouse (will use current one only on glass to avoid hair)
for now i need obsidians, another mouse and a good clothpad, bought skypad cuz wanted smth durable after my 4yrs old hyperx pad was unusable @@Log_Pile
So I been doing research as I just order padsmith dark chaos and I noticed at the end of the video you said the skypad collab didn’t make much of a difference on it. So would you say to still get obsidian pros or cyclones then? This is my first glass experience. Looking for something balanced. Coming from otsu soft and ice skates.
Hey, I have tried it again, and there is definitely a difference between the Cyclones and the Obsidian Pros, but it's just not as noticeable on the dark chaos pad as it is on others. I'd recommend using cyclones or the normal obsidians if you plan to switch between surfaces, or the obsidian pros if you want to only use glass and want a slightly more controlled experience, with maybe an extra 15-20% added stopping power and dynamic friction.
Hey Joseph, my monitor is a Dell S2721DGF, I think it's 144hz, and I did a tonne of research at the time, but that was a year or 2 ago now! When I upgrade my laptop to a desktop, I'll get something a little beefier I expect, and have this as a 2nd monitor.
I might do, I hadn't considered it until you asked! I'm not a huge glass feet fan cos I cant use them on my glass pads 😬 and i switch surfaces all the time 😁
So how do the Ghostglide Vortex perform on glass pads? Do they also give more control?
I actually edited this bit out of the video cos I ballsed it up! They are not good on hard pads, the texture of the vortex dot is quite hard, so you dont get any benefit from using them on hard pads. Recommend not doing it.
Watched a couple of your videos now, and all of them have been greatly informative, keep it up :)
Thanks Zechue, I appreciate that a lot 🙏
This is really what I need! I've been wanting to replace my stock feet for a long time, but I put the idea off because I didn't know what to focus on. Thanks, Log, I’m now looking at vortexes)
I think I might main them for a bit and see how it goes!
Let me know how you get on with them if you try them!
@@Log_Pile For now I’ll sit on the stock feet, as I want to save some for gifts for my family, but maybe I’ll try them in the future
I received my Obsidian Pro today :D
I haven't had the time to play with them but on the wraith control I don't have any LOD problems on my MZ1 (they look quite thin compared to the red obsidian). So for now I'm very happy with them (even though they're quite expensive).
I hope this material will keep its promise in terms of durability (but if skypad and x-raypad are behind their creation I doubt it will be disappointing in the long term). They are my new favorite skates out of the box (maybe until TJ exclusive CeraSkate release).
And the fact that they decided not to make the same excessive curved edges as on the red obsidian for me is really a very good point.
Great review, keep up the good work
Thanks Talion! It's great you're still getting some use out of your Wraith Control 👍 I'm excited for the ceraskate too, I haven't seen too much news recently but I'm sure we'll see more soon! Take care bro 🙏
@@Log_Pile Thanks, U 2.
Yeah i still really enjoy the pad when i don't have any LOD issue with it. I must only use skates that are not too thick with some mice and be careful if i buy other mice which do not clearly have two options for the LOD (1mm and 2mm) so... R.I.P brands like Razer and Logitech for now :S.
I will not buy another glass pad before selling my Superglide Polarity when it will become out of stock everywhere so i will still use the wraith for a while.
Then i will try the Cerapad KIN or the new control glass pad from the whale (i don't remember the name) or any other good control glass pad that will be released until then.
I really hope that the CeraSkate will be the cheat code for infinite durability on hard pad :D
funny side note to the Obsidian Pro's. They are actually slower and louder than the Vaxee stock skates made from virgin PTFE.
Yes and I failed to mention the sound in the video! I don't mind the sound personally, but to address your point, the vaxee skates are a softer material compared to the Obsidian Pros, which makes sense when you talk about increased noise levels on a hard surface
since you got to try UHMW feet now, i'd love to see you try out diy UHMW feet. a 16 meter roll should cost about 10 bucks. mine is quite thin (.28mm) so i have to fashion something to get a consistent fit. ptfe skates aren't completely flat, so punching out dots out of the tape and slapping them onto the skates isn't the best way there is.
if this all works out it effectively means ULTRA cheap mousefeet until the end of time.
Thats a good idea! The only concern i have with this, is where I'd keep it all 😅 I have a feeling you'll enjoy my next video (Polishing a mouse)
@@Log_Pile it's just a normal sized duct tape roll, pretty easy to store. looking forward to that video!
Is there a break-in period for the vortex?
Hey Mark! Reportedly (from Ghostglides) there is a break in period, but I have played on them for a long time now and they don't appear to have changed in any meaningful way so far. Although I am using them on 3 diff mice, I've sunk about 10-15 hrs of use into 1 pair and they seem similar to the 'out of the box' experience to me. It may vary depending on the pad you use? I'm not sure though, I've been using the GSR 2 mainly - which isn't at all abrasive.
hey, thanks. I'm planning on using it either on my equate or my aqua control zero, so if on the later I assume id have pretty good control on the ac0@@Log_Pile
just put an order in for a skypad since they had another huge clearance sale, would never buy one at full price though. needed a new pad since my zowie gtfx is starting to be quite worn and has slowed down in the middle a fair bit. would have got their obsidians too but seems they're out of stock sadly. based on your feedback, I'm definitely going to keep an eye out for when they re-stock
Good luck with the SkyPAD!! If you struggling with the speed and wriggliness, the Obsidian Pros are the way to go 😁
@@Log_Pile I'm gonna give myself a good month or two to adjust first. I've used mouse accel for a really long time and I think the low static friction and faster initial mouse speeds will probably need some fiddling of my sens/accel curve for a little while, so ideally I'd like to settle on something to find a new baseline before dropping money on anything else
really appreciate your skypad 3.0 review btw, no nonsense and straight to the point. made it easier to imagine what to expect
@twpsyn Keep me posted how you get on 😁 really interested to hear your experience. Glad the review helped 🤙
@@Log_Pile will do :)
out of curiosity, I've never understood why people talking about mouse feet mention surface area as though it affects the friction. the physics formula for the coefficient of friction doesn't factor surface area in at all, nor is it a factor in things like vehicle tires. 200hp motorcycles on street legal tires have a tiny contact patch for example, but that doesn't lead to them doing burnouts on every motorway on-ramp. motorbike tires are only made stickier than car tires due to the much lower weight of bikes, as mass is factored in to how friction is calculated
in my experience the only thing that changes between dot mouse feet and larger ones (assuming they're both made out of the same material) is that on cloth pads the dots sink into them much more easily, making them feel slower since the plastic underside of the mouse drags more on the pad. obviously on a hard pad though this just doesn't happen. it's why on cloth pads I tend to add the extra feet a mouse comes with around the sensor so that when the middle sinks in, only PTFE touches the pad. if surface area affects friction, I'd notice a drop in speed from doing this but I never have.
I'm pretty confident you could try adding more obsidian dots to one of your mice and you'll see that the glide on the skypad won't be affected, if anything spreading out the weight of your mouse+hand across more than just 4 dots will probably extend the life of them by decreasing the wear on each individual dot
@twpsyn I've seen this point raised a number of times, and all I can say is it certainly feels like there's a difference to me.
It's possible that is some sort of placebo effect, but if nothing else, a bigger surface area tends to provide more surface feel "feedback" through the base of the mouse and maybe thats what I'm confusing myself with. You raise a good question, I'm not sure what the answer is honestly!
To me dots have always felt faster than a form fitted mouse foot. But I'm no physicist!
Maybe you could try it on the SkyPAD?
Great review brother! I actually just got a set of skypad dots in and i may need to give them a go. I have been an obsidian guy for awhile and i may need to give it a go. I have been still rocking my empress and occasionally my XrayPad equate plus V2
Dude, it's been too long!! I'm enjoying the Dark Chaos at the moment aswell :) You should give the Cyclones a go too if you get a chance, I reckon you'd like them. What mouse are you using at the moment??
@LogPileGaming It has been too long friend. I am still rocking my modded MZ1. It really is a lot of fun to play with! I may need to give the cyclones a go and see how they feel.
@V3n0m151 The MZ1 is so underrated 🤙 it's great to hear from you man, hope all is good.
ok, going for these x-ray pad pro dots now❤
Very well put together and informative review. Thank you. I do have one question unless I missed it. The Normal obsidian dot skates are still great on the skypad 3.0 right? Are they just as durable but I guess it would be a tad bit faster than the obsidian pro’s?
Thanks Knocked! Yes they're very similar to the Cyclones I tested here except they are a slightly bit bigger. I've used the normal obsidian dots for a long time and they're a great option 🫡 and yes they're a bit faster than the obsidian pros
@@Log_Pile appreciate the response man. I think I might try them out first on the skypad since they are cheaper and fairly similar. If they are too fast I guess I can always wait till they wear out and try the Obsidian pro version.
Love the padsmith I just got the new art you have in this video. Are you going to make a video on this pad?
Yessir, probably not a dedicated video but i will do a mega round up for all my glass pads with the padsmith product included
Great videos ty ! I have the cyclones, the edgerunners diy and the vortex’s but i can’t perform well with vortex cause they’re too slow and they restricting my aiming ability i need a between like not too fast but not too slow aswell ! What do you think it’s better ? Cyclone or edgerunners? For mostly tac fps !
Before i was using the Corepad ctrl and i was performing not that bad so maybe something similar in speed ^^
I was thinking of trying the xray/skypads for cloth for maximum control until your video !
What do you recommend for max control/friction then for cloth in your experience, obsidians?
Definitely give the Ghostglide Vortexes a try! I love them for the control and feedback they provide.
what about the new "Edgerunner Vortex Mouse Skates" xd
I am currently using the Obsidian Pro skates on a GPX on a pulsar superglide glasspad. The control they give has been great, and now I am kind of looking for slightly more control even. I play on a very high sens, pure wrist aim so low static friction is a must for me, but right now I still get slight airhockey feeling. Would you recommend the Cerapad KIN or would that be too drastic of a change? My 2nd fastest pad is the Artisan Raiden and even with jade skates it has way too much static friction for my sens.
I personally love the cerapad kin, but it would be a big change from the superglide (almost like an entirely different surface to learn), I would maybe look for a wraithe esports cosmic glass control (note ive heard from some viewers they have tracking issues with new skates?! I didnt have this issue). Or you could consider the Atlas, its a great pad with slightly more control than the superglide.
@@Log_Pile I have heard about esports Lotus glass pads, they have a textured and smooth version at 75 USD, are these potentially in your radar for possible reviews? i'd love to know how the obsidian pro's control on them.
What about x-ray pad jade dots skates I heard a lot of people use those are they really that good
got my skypad today, using with jade dots gonna upgrade to obsidian / skypad dots in some time. love the skypad for ow2, but aimtraining not really and fortnite also not really, but for 55 euro an endgame ow pad is such a deal. prolly gonna try some other glaspasds after i buy one more mouse (will use current one only on glass to avoid hair)
Sounds like you're happy with the purchase 😊 There are lots of different options for glass pads now so you're spoilt for choice!
for now i need obsidians, another mouse and a good clothpad, bought skypad cuz wanted smth durable after my 4yrs old hyperx pad was unusable
@@Log_Pile
So which dot skate offers the most speed/least control on the skypad?
Hey Cryptiik, The cyclones in my experience. Are you looking for a challenge?
@@Log_Pile haha u guessed it 👍😁
@@cryptiik9311God speed 🙏 😅 let me know how you get on 🫡
hi have you tried the vortex's on the focus ambition mouse pad? if so, how were they? thank you
Hey Seed, I dont have the focus ambition 😬 sorry i can't help
@@Log_Pile all good thanks for the reply, another question, how do they feel now a month later? Still feel the same?
So I been doing research as I just order padsmith dark chaos and I noticed at the end of the video you said the skypad collab didn’t make much of a difference on it. So would you say to still get obsidian pros or cyclones then? This is my first glass experience. Looking for something balanced. Coming from otsu soft and ice skates.
I'll test it again this eve and get back to you 🫡
Hey, I have tried it again, and there is definitely a difference between the Cyclones and the Obsidian Pros, but it's just not as noticeable on the dark chaos pad as it is on others.
I'd recommend using cyclones or the normal obsidians if you plan to switch between surfaces, or the obsidian pros if you want to only use glass and want a slightly more controlled experience, with maybe an extra 15-20% added stopping power and dynamic friction.
@@Log_Pile okay thanks!!! Subbed
Great video! thanks
You're welcome Hamz 🫡
How are the vortex in comparison to jade dots?
I have heard jades are very fast? Well, vortex are VERY slow. They are super controlled, I like them alot but they arent for everybody
what monitor are you using?
Hey man, I'll check soon!
Hey Joseph, my monitor is a Dell S2721DGF, I think it's 144hz, and I did a tonne of research at the time, but that was a year or 2 ago now! When I upgrade my laptop to a desktop, I'll get something a little beefier I expect, and have this as a 2nd monitor.
can you do superglides2? just bought them for the dav3 wired :D
I might do, I hadn't considered it until you asked! I'm not a huge glass feet fan cos I cant use them on my glass pads 😬 and i switch surfaces all the time 😁
@@Log_Pile seems like this v2 superglides are way different
@@pav1u I've heard the same thing, I might check them out 😁
forgot to ask this long time ago have you heard about CISA PAD? I'm just asking is it possible to you to buy it from russia or not
I haven't heard about that one! I'll have to check it out :)
Can't find anywhere to buy em
Try Amazon? I think the Cyclones are live now, the rest will follow shortly if not listed already.
No stock anywere in Eu ? :(
Should be in stock now 😁
Nice video Log 🪵 For sure gonna have to try some of these out after watching this 🫡
Thanks Volta 😁 I think you'd like them 🤙