Nice! My current setup for small/medium weddings are 2 x QSC K12 & 2 x EV EKX 15SP bottoms. I obviously know this is a big step up but want to know how much of a difference. I’m interested in these DXS18XLF and DZR15 for larger events (outdoor and 200-300) people. Maybe 400 but not often. Thanks!
@@TheAngrySoundTech does the sub serve as a crossover? Other words, can I call set the sub to 80 hz and run out to my tops and therefore my tops only get above 80 hz or will I have to run an external crossover?
@@TheAngrySoundTech tks for the answer. I emailed Yamaha pro audio 5 days ago and they still have not answered so they don't know the answer or they don't care if they sell any of them lol
NEXO is why Yamaha now has this quality of portable PA. Yamaha bought Nexo. The Nexo PS range costs 3 times the new Yamaha speakers. Can't wait to buy the these and the DZR's
I own two of these and love them. The Hammer Casters are the best I've ever used...ever. The only thing worth comparing is the RCF SUB 8004 as, which is alot heavier and alot more money.
The 8004 was the other sub I was considering but I feel like the Yamaha has a better price to performance ratio and I guess weight to performance ratio as well. It's a good buy and I plan on getting more of them as I sell our other subs in inventory.
@@deemownskee it's tough to compare because the output is different wattage. Sound is subjective so I won't say what's better however I will say that for my ears these sound incredible. The bass gain goes up/down +/- 35 as a setting. I usually put them at -8 or -10 because they will shake the paint off my house if I dont. So yeah they sound good. The RCF is comparable from a sound perspective but no these are different beasts entirely. I'd say if the venue is large and you have an unlimited budget go with the RCF option. For medium to small venues, on a budget, two yamahas make more sense to me.
Hey do you know if the xlf series has a hpf somewhere, i just got the dxs15xlf thinking it has one (to use with speakers without a hpf) and can find it in the dsp for the outputs! thanks in advance.
Should I run my single 18 inch sub woofers out of my A15-in Yamaha’s or should I run the 15 inch Yamahas out of the subwoofers or does it make a difference ? , thank you, Lamar
My 4 pc rock band currently has a pair of RCF 8003 ASII. I can get them to sound good but they limit easy and I am just not 100% impressed. I am looking to buy either a pair of Yamaha DXS18XLF single 18s or a pair of JBL SRX828SP dual 18s to have for larger venues and outdoor shows. I haven't heard either. Can you make a suggestion and give some comments? I reviewed the specs online but I take that with a grain of salt....
JBL’s tend to be tuned lower for rap, they sound overall fuller even on rock music, but if you want louder volume and better kick go with bandpass designs or horn designs, they do a lot better on higher frequencies. Remember under 40hz is good for rap, over 40hz is good for rock GENERALLY
I know this was an old video. I have the same sub. But water entered the amp and power module. I’ve been trying to find a replacement, would you know where I can locate a replacement amp and power module
I would contact Yamaha. They might be able to repair your amp. If not I'm sure they can direct you to where you can buy a replacement amp module. I just checked my distributor website and it doesn't look like they stock amps for that model. If you run into dead ends let me know and I'll call my distributor. They can get Yamaha parts so I don't think an amp module would be an issue.
I just received my pair and to be honest, this sub is the closest in volume I have used compared to the yorkville ls801p. I tried the qsc kw1818 and the rcf8003as2 for a while but you always feel like something is missing after you’ve owned the ls801. This Yamaha is an excellent option for deep and loud bass. 👌
Sam Crabtree the rcf sounds beautiful and low. But I personally don’t like running my speakers into “limit” and I as many other people was very let down by how extremely early those 8003 start limiting. Rcf’s recommendation is to keep pushing them but I was not happy even when I did. For the money i think they are overrated and overpriced. The Yamaha are a good bang for your buck. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed if you go with those.
Yes, you can use the cover and the casters at the same time. The cover slides on when you have the subwoofer tipped back on the casters and there is just a Velcro flap that covers the amp.
Yes, I'm still happy with the DXS18XLF. Not quite as happy with the case. I'll be doing an updated review soon. I have 4 of them now and have used them with the DZR315 and DXR15MKII. They work quite well with both of them.
I feel like as soon as I bought these I stopped booking big shows. lol I've had them out on rental more than I've used them myself. lol So sadly I don't really have an updated opinion on them yet. I'll be using them regularly this summer for our Bike Night shows tho so hopefully I'll get an updated review out mid-summer. I will say I broke a zipper off so you've gotta be careful if you're double stacking subs with a DZR315 on top and you don't take the sub cover off. Just flip up the front flap. I lift the 315 up by myself and sliding it back puts too much tension on the zipper. So now I'm down one zipper which is a little disappointing. I've had a surprising number of issues with Yamaha covers between my DXS12MKII's and the DXS18XLF.
The interesting thing is those were the two subs at the top of my list when I decided to go with Yamaha. Unfortunately no one around here has any RCF gear so I didn't get to compare the two. I'm sure I've heard an 8004 at a trade show but not enough to make a comparison. Price was my determining factor and I will say I'm happy with the Yamaha's but I can't say if they are better or worse than the 8004. The specs are similar and you can get two Yamaha's for the price of one RCF.
Thanks for all of the reviews you have done mate. Finding your videos really helpful when looking at new gear. I have the DZR 12’s and I currently have the QSC KW181 but would like to swap it out for a matched Yamaha sub. Have been looking at either the 15 or 18inch Dxs Xlf and just wonders if you have any thoughts on the two.. is the 18 manageable in a one person lug ?
I wouldn't want to carry it everywhere but if you get the castors for rolling it around it's not bad to lift it into a vehicle or stack two subs. I do it all the time by myself. I have the 18" version. Haven't tried the 15" version.
I would say yes as long as you're indoors. Use high pass filters or run aux fed so you're not using up valuable sub energy for things that don't need it. You're not going to low end that will kick everyone in the chest. But I think it will do the job filling out the sound nicely. Also depending on what tops you're using you might even be able to run the crossover down to 90Hz maybe 80Hz.... 80Hz is a big maybe but lowering the crossover below 100Hz would help maximize the low output of the sub. Also put at least a 40Hz low pass on the bass instruments too. All this will help make the subwoofer more efficient since you'd just be using one.
@@TheAngrySoundTechThanks that sounds good. Our tops are RCF 732s and we have a couple of alto ts215s subs which aren't cutting it. The tops end up taking too much lowend so this looks like a good upgrade.
Just to give you a little insight into what the differences would be. Right now your Alto's put out 129dB each. If you put one on each side of the stage you have roughly 132dB of bass output. If you were to do a center cluster with them (which is what I would recommend to maximize your sub output) you would get 135dB of bass output. Frequency range is 35 to 95Hz at negative 10dB. The DXS18XLF will do 136dB by itself which is only slightly more than the center clustered output of the Alto's so you might not notice a difference in volume output. The frequency range is 30-150Hz at negative 10dB so they go a little deeper. So I'd say with going from two subs down to one Yamaha the main difference would be a deeper better sounding bass since it would be a higher quality subwoofer. These Yamaha's are the best sounding and loudest single 18" subwoofer's I've heard to date. I highly recommend them. If you look at proaudiostar's website they have a bundle deal where they include casters and a cover for free with the purchase. There's where I got mine. Also they offer free shipping.
@@deemownskee The RCF 8004 costs almost twice the ammount of one DXS18XLF. Not sure why you would want to compare those. Obviously the RCF 8004 will hit harder !
Just got my second one in the other day. I don't have any larger gigs coming up until next month so it will be a little while before I get to test these out at a gig. It's the slow season here in Fargo, ND and I can't wait till spring when I really get to put these to work.
I haven't decided yet. My initial goal has been to consolidate our existing subwoofer inventory from 5 different models down to 2 (maybe 3) high performance single driver models. I'm getting rid of all of our dual 18" cabinets. I'm still a bit conflicted when it comes to top cabinets. I will probably buy a set of DZR12's first so that I have a nice small matching system. If I like the DZR12's I may buy the DZR315 as well but with a 75 degree horizontal coverage pattern this would more than likely require using 4 of them at larger gigs to maintain good horizontal coverage. The issue with this is part of my goal since I sold our line array has been to maintain production capabilities to cover up to 1,000 people while keeping the system lightweight enough for one person to set up. I'm 37 years old now and don't much care for the idea of double stacking 8 subs and placing 4 DZR315's on top by myself. lol I've been contemplating buying something like the DB Technologies IG4T which would be nice for some of the corporate gigs we do. I'd like to do more corporate gigs and a slim column array would be perfect. But I'm worried I'd be disappointed with the output of the IG4T when compared to something like the DZR315. I'd hate to spend a ton of money on the IG4T just to be disappointed. So far I haven't been very impressed with the column arrays I've been doing reviews on. Sorry for the long reply. As you can see I'm conflicted when it comes to tops. More than likely tho I'll get the DZR315's if I like the DZR12's. Unless DB Technologies wants to send me 4 IG4T's to demo ;) But I don't see that happening.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Good point about the horizontal coverage. that seems to be the case with almost all 3-way bins. The DZR12's are still monsters especially with subs and I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts when you eventually grab them. I too was looking at the Ingenia stuff but my concern is that they don't go very low at all if I ever wanted to use them in smaller gigs without subs.
Buying 2 yamaha dxr15 speakers and want to add to them one subwoofer for medium parties.. my 2 choices are this yamaha 18 inch subwoofer and the jbl eon 18 latest 18 inch sub. What do you think ?
You seem to have a lot of DAS kit, but from your comments, you bought Yamaha because it outperforms the Vantec 18A... did you consider the DAS Action 118A which is louder than the Yamaha ?
The majority of our speaker inventory is DAS Audio but we do major inventory updates every 3 to 4 years or so. I actually stopped buying Action series subwoofers quite a while ago because while they get loud they don't do a very good job of hitting the low frequencies. The Action 118A does hit 137db but in deep mode only hits down to 45hz at negative 10db. The Yamaha is not quite as loud at 136db but hits down to 30hz at negative 10db. There were a few other reasons that made me decide to switch to Yamaha for our subwoofer inventory but basically it is a very new model that is one of the most advanced and well thought out designs on the market today. With that being said the updated Action 500 series will be out this summer and it will be interesting to see how DAS improved the Action series.
I’ve been checking regularly for more vids on your channel haha.. loving the content man. Just wondering if you have an update on this Sub? Are you still liking it? I’ve got the DZR 12’s and looking to pair them with some subs. I had my eye on these and the QSC KS118.
I know I’ve been slacking on my videos lately! I have two of those subs and have been very impressed with their output compared two other 12” subs. I’ll make sure I get a detailed review done soon.
@@TheAngrySoundTech I'll keep my eyes on your channel. I'm thinking about getting a dxs12ii with 2 DXR10s for smaller events. Keeping my 2 KW181s with my DXR12s for bigger. But after this review I may sell my KW181s and KW153s to get 2 DXS15xlf and 2 DSR112s
@@TheAngrySoundTech I happened to see them on the website the day they made the announcement. Not a whole lot of improvements. Aside from the larger HF VC I don't see much that inspires an upgrade. Keep an eye out for original DXRs to be sold for cheap to make room.
So I have not heard the DXS18 but I do own 4 of the DXS12MKII's and I can tell you the 12" version is one heck of a sub. By looking at the specs between the DXS18 and the DXS18XLF they are very similar. If I remember correctly I went with the DXS18XLF just because I wanted to make sure I had Yamaha's flagship sub and it is a good one! But my wallet sometimes wishes I would have saved some $$ and just purchased the DXS18. Especially since I want to have 6 more of them in our inventory.
Thanks. Yes I’m in same position. Want the best. However where I live the XLF is actually a tad cheaper (but not much, both about 2000usd here) I have a contact who offer me the 2x DXS18 for half price!!! But still think maybe want the XLF just because it’s latest model, but would also be a great save to go with DXS18!!
Hey man great review - looking at adding one of these to my pair or Yamaha DBR15s, then expand to two in the future. My question is: if only using two 15s plus one sub, where would you place the sub in a live band situation? I’m thinking of small to medium rooms, setup either at one end or in the corner. Cheers from Australia.
Old post but maybe I’ll get lucky and get a reply! I have a pair of DBR15 and a pair of DXS18XLF. Just got the subs. Eventually I will get two more subs and two more tops and this will be the PA for my 4 pc band (tradition rock band setup). Anyone have any advise/suggestions as to how to/where to set the DSP on the subs to get the best low end response from the kick drum? LPF at 80 and run them flat (no eq)? Where are you all usually running the level knob? Thanks!!
@@brandtlaughnan1330 hi!,i’m also searching for this question😁 Mine are pairing with DSR115 But i think the DSR115 is too loud for this setup if i set the level on 12 o’clock for all of them.. any suggestions?😉
@@TheAngrySoundTech Have you heard the 15” XLF ? I need one sub for a four piece band in very small bars. Like 50-150 people.drummer uses Roland electric kick. Nice higher end model. Thanks.
@@TheAngrySoundTech do you know how low it plays? Approximately. I had a JBL eon618S and I loved that it dug down to 30hz when corner loaded, struggled playing below that so I opened it up and extended the tuning but anyways I wanna know if this Yamaha can play down to at least 30
The Eon 618s is rated to 31hz at -10db. The Yamaha DXS18XLF is rated to 30hz at -10db. So fairly similar in frequency response. The Yamaha gets a little louder so you'd probably get a little more noticeable low end out of the Yamaha.
@@TheAngrySoundTech ok I think I decided I’m gonna build my own, since the only one in my price range that matched what I need is the JBL PRX818, so I’m gonna buy a good 18” sub, plate amp, and build my own enclosure tuned to 32hz
Gud day sir, i own 1pair qsc cp12, is this 1 unit active sub is suitable to combined, or just overpower my tops mentioned? Sorry to my poor english from 🇵🇭.
@@TheAngrySoundTech can i ask you one more question sir,, if i engage the x over from this sub going to my tops, whats really deferent effects between 80, 100 and 120 hz audio out from my tops cause my qsc cp12 as per review only have 80hz if i engage the d contour to default extention sub, im afraid if i running this in 100 hz from dxs xlf x over it can cause harm or damage my tops, i can't easily afford at this time to replace if its happen, pls enlightened me this one, im a new bee of investing high end pro audio...? God bless,,
You won't damage your tops if you use the sub crossover and have it at 80/100/120hz. I tend to prefer a 100hz crossover but if I'm playing bass heavy music I'll use an 80 hz crossover so the sub can focus on the lower frequencies. I've never been a fan of a 120hz crossover. I think that mostly get used if you're using small tops like 8" speakers that have trouble hitting the lower frequencies.
I was planning to buy the dxs18 but I came across with this new version and it's only couple hundred different price between old and new version is $200 extra is worth to spend for the new version? Thanks
I had the same decision to make as you and I went with the DXS18XLF. I'm happy with my decision and would do it again. The main difference is more powerful DSP in the newer version and also a completely different sub design (Band-pass vs Bass Reflex). Also I should mention I don't own the DXS18 but I do own the DXS12MKII. It's crazy how loud that little 12" subwoofer gets. I'll have a review of that one out soon.
I think you made a good choice. It doesn't seem like there is much difference between the 18" and the 15". After i bought mine I had thought that I should have bought the 15" version and saved my back a little.
The Vantec 118A is designed specifically to be hung with the Vantec 20a. I have not had a chance to use the Vantec 118a but I do have 4 of the 18a's and I can tell you the Yamaha DXS18XLF outperforms the Vantec 18A. The Yamaha is newer and more technologically advanced. It get's louder and goes deeper than the Vantec.
Gud day sir, i come back again to ur channel,, i have a problem of my unit dxs18xlf its a week on my hand,.. I used it 3 times minimum of 2hr to 5hrs continues playing music at a time at minimum unity volume at 0db, and suddenly today when i turn it on the power is not functioning no light indicator even the LCD not function, i check the electric power suply and cord all is good i used akari 1.5k wats avr to feed electricity to the unit,, may i ask if u know what is the cause of this problem? Sorry to bother you sir,, the said avr is the source electricity of all my active speaker.. 1pair qsc cp12 tops, 1 unit alto ts318s and this dxs18xlf.. The condition of electricity in my place is stable at 220volts...
I already return the unit to the store as it warranty covered,,,, but i want to know if i have mistake in feeding electricity to this unit base on my way mentioned on comment above,, i hope ur expertise and experience will help me on this kind of situation, so that it wont happened again... Tnx in advance...
I can look into it in the future. I'm not sure if I have the right gear to hook up a reference mic to my camera. But I'll look and see if it's possible.
They are pretty close when you compare the two but there are differences that make me prefer the Yamaha. 1. The Yamaha has dual pole sockets. Both threaded and standard cup. (The EV uses a recessed threaded socket that not all threaded poles work in). 2. Yamaha DSP is a little more advanced and the XLR outputs of the Yamaha can be switched from Thru to DSP out. (The EV outputs are only Thru) 3. The covers for the Yamaha never have to come off which will keep the subs looking new. 4. The Yamaha is louder by 1db 5. The Yamaha is tuned to be louder at lower frequencies (Gotta compare the frequency response charts to see this one). With the Yamaha you do have to buy casters separately. With the EV they come with the sub. I don't think you would go wrong with either sub. The Yamaha is just a little newer and a little more advanced with a few features that were a little better thought out. The Yamaha subs work nicely with any brand of top speakers because of the DSP out feature. This makes them great for our rental inventory. The EV subs were designed to work with EV ETX tops. They want you to buy EV subs, EV tops and even the EV sub pole. I'm personally not a fan of companies that try to lock you into their ecosystem... Right down to the sub pole... But if you want an all EV system the ETX18SP is a good sub.
I've rented them out more than I've use them myself. I still haven't put together my full DZR system as I've been trying to sell some of my DAS Audio gear. But I will say the little that I've used them I think they sound amazing and all of the people that have rented them also have nothing but positive things to say about them. I'm hoping to get the rest of the system while yamaha is doing their rebate program so hopefully I'll have more info soon!
@@damienlobb85 I'd really like to compare them to the standard DXS18. As of right now the only other single 18" subwoofer I have that I could compare them to would be the DAS Audio Vantec 18A. And I can tell you now the Yamaha is wayyyyyy better.
Dude you know more about audio then I probably ever will .. very impressive! Your reviews are really informative but a little wordy .... get to the point do you recommend or not a why simply! I guess there are some things I just don’t know or understand...
Wow Cloth on the outside of the grill on a speaker of this price range? Not very road worthy, Big mistake on Yamaha for that move. They would be dirty and scuffed in no time.
Yeah, it's definitely one of the things I'm not too impressed about. I'm hoping the case does a good job protecting it. But only time will tell on that.
I no longer have my Event 218A's so I can't do a direct comparison. But on paper if I have two DXS18XLF's and put them side by side there should be a coupling benefit that puts their combined output at 142db which is 2db more than the Event 218A. The frequency range of the Yamaha is also 2 Hz lower than the DAS. Now is this enough of a difference to to be really noticeable? I'd say no. I chose to replace my Event 218A's with the DXS18XLF in an effort to downsize. We just weren't doing enough gigs that required rolling in double stacked Event 218A's. So I think it's more situational. If you're doing big shows it's going to make things so much easier to just roll in a couple double stacked DAS Audio Event 218A. If you don't always need 4 dual 18's then the Yamaha's are the way to go for better versatility between small shows to large.
You will rarely see 1 18 sound louder than 2, even if they’re 2 cheap 18s cone area is always king. Only exception would be if the single 18 you have is 2000+ watts rms and has an extremely powerful motor with copper voice coil, and long throw suspension
I would like to see a battle between the qsc ks118 and this one right here..
Yamaha hits harder
This thing walks all over the QSC sub
@@techmetal2292 haha you're hilarious.
Yamaha meilleur
Definitely a sub to match with the Yamaha DZR series mains
Finally. Someone posting a review lol. I look forward to the follow up.
I just got my second one! I don’t have a big enough event to use these at until next month so it’ll be a little bit but soon!
Nice! My current setup for small/medium weddings are 2 x QSC K12 & 2 x EV EKX 15SP bottoms. I obviously know this is a big step up but want to know how much of a difference.
I’m interested in these DXS18XLF and DZR15 for larger events (outdoor and 200-300) people. Maybe 400 but not often.
Thanks!
@@TheAngrySoundTech does the sub serve as a crossover? Other words, can I call set the sub to 80 hz and run out to my tops and therefore my tops only get above 80 hz or will I have to run an external crossover?
Yes, you can use the subwoofer as a crossover for your tops. No external crossover is required. This was a big reason why I picked these subs.
@@TheAngrySoundTech tks for the answer. I emailed Yamaha pro audio 5 days ago and they still have not answered so they don't know the answer or they don't care if they sell any of them lol
NEXO is why Yamaha now has this quality of portable PA. Yamaha bought Nexo. The Nexo PS range costs 3 times the new Yamaha speakers. Can't wait to buy the these and the DZR's
I own two of these and love them. The Hammer Casters are the best I've ever used...ever. The only thing worth comparing is the RCF SUB 8004 as, which is alot heavier and alot more money.
The 8004 was the other sub I was considering but I feel like the Yamaha has a better price to performance ratio and I guess weight to performance ratio as well. It's a good buy and I plan on getting more of them as I sell our other subs in inventory.
WELCHi MUSIC Do they sound as good as the RCF 8004’s?
@@deemownskee it's tough to compare because the output is different wattage. Sound is subjective so I won't say what's better however I will say that for my ears these sound incredible. The bass gain goes up/down +/- 35 as a setting. I usually put them at -8 or -10 because they will shake the paint off my house if I dont. So yeah they sound good. The RCF is comparable from a sound perspective but no these are different beasts entirely. I'd say if the venue is large and you have an unlimited budget go with the RCF option. For medium to small venues, on a budget, two yamahas make more sense to me.
@@TheAngrySoundTech I think these are top of the heap for mobile DJS
WELCHi MUSIC thanks for your quick reply. I’ll hang on to the 8004’s then!
Hey do you know if the xlf series has a hpf somewhere, i just got the dxs15xlf thinking it has one (to use with speakers without a hpf) and can find it in the dsp for the outputs! thanks in advance.
Should I run my single 18 inch sub woofers out of my A15-in Yamaha’s or should I run the 15 inch Yamahas out of the subwoofers or does it make a difference ?
, thank you, Lamar
My 4 pc rock band currently has a pair of RCF 8003 ASII. I can get them to sound good but they limit easy and I am just not 100% impressed. I am looking to buy either a pair of Yamaha DXS18XLF single 18s or a pair of JBL SRX828SP dual 18s to have for larger venues and outdoor shows. I haven't heard either. Can you make a suggestion and give some comments? I reviewed the specs online but I take that with a grain of salt....
JBL’s tend to be tuned lower for rap, they sound overall fuller even on rock music, but if you want louder volume and better kick go with bandpass designs or horn designs, they do a lot better on higher frequencies. Remember under 40hz is good for rap, over 40hz is good for rock GENERALLY
@@modernbassheads5051this actually helps a lot . Thanks
How does this compare to the EV ETX-18sp?
Yamaha meilleur
Very good review thanks for posting
Hey man, can you get me a link to that cover? I can't find it
A gear is on backorder right now. Here's a link: www.fullcompass.com/prod/553831-yamaha-spcvr-dxs18x-padded-cover-for-dxs18xlf-and-cxs18xlf-speakers
You mentioned keeping the cover on but it looks like it folds over the top of the cabinet? Wouldn’t that cover the pole mount holes?
brain damageKc Pink Floyd tribute You fold it in half when you flip it over the top and then there is a Velcro strap that holds it down.
Thanks for the review!
I got a couple of these, they really are wonderful ..
I can't wait to get another one. I've been checking to see if they're back in stock almost every day.
Is it perfect for out door purposes??
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I know this was an old video. I have the same sub. But water entered the amp and power module. I’ve been trying to find a replacement, would you know where I can locate a replacement amp and power module
I would contact Yamaha. They might be able to repair your amp. If not I'm sure they can direct you to where you can buy a replacement amp module. I just checked my distributor website and it doesn't look like they stock amps for that model. If you run into dead ends let me know and I'll call my distributor. They can get Yamaha parts so I don't think an amp module would be an issue.
@@TheAngrySoundTech yeah apparently there are some in Japan, and can take 16 weeks to get one!
I just received my pair and to be honest, this sub is the closest in volume I have used compared to the yorkville ls801p. I tried the qsc kw1818 and the rcf8003as2 for a while but you always feel like something is missing after you’ve owned the ls801. This Yamaha is an excellent option for deep and loud bass. 👌
I've been looking at the RCF 8003-AS-II for my function band. How does the Yamaha compare?
Sam Crabtree the rcf sounds beautiful and low. But I personally don’t like running my speakers into “limit” and I as many other people was very let down by how extremely early those 8003 start limiting. Rcf’s recommendation is to keep pushing them but I was not happy even when I did. For the money i think they are overrated and overpriced. The Yamaha are a good bang for your buck. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed if you go with those.
@@djosvani I like rcf but I totally agree on the pricing and the limit is annoying
Does the cover work well with the casters? I thought you can't put the cover on when you install the casters
Yes, you can use the cover and the casters at the same time. The cover slides on when you have the subwoofer tipped back on the casters and there is just a Velcro flap that covers the amp.
Do you still think they are good after a year of working with them?
I was looking at the DXS 18 to go with my DSR one12s. Is there any reason why this wouldn’t work with those tops just as well?
brain damageKc Pink Floyd tribute I can’t think of any reason. Should make a good combo.
Great review. Would love to hear an update on these bad boys. Very underrated model.
I'll try to get an update out soon. Using the full system 4 DXS18XLF's with 2 DZR315's this weekend with a rock band.
@@TheAngrySoundTech can't wait. That is the system I've been thinking of. Two of the sub instead of 4 though. I appreciate the reply!
You said this is about the popular three best supporters what is number one?
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I might get the DXS15 mk Iskel or DXS15XF -- not sure I want to carry this 18" beast.
still happy with the 18xlf?
What top do you pair with a single 18 XLF? DXR10mk2, DSR112?
Yes, I'm still happy with the DXS18XLF. Not quite as happy with the case. I'll be doing an updated review soon. I have 4 of them now and have used them with the DZR315 and DXR15MKII. They work quite well with both of them.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Any news on the update? I recently purchased 2 XLF 18 inch subs and 2 DZR12 tops.
I feel like as soon as I bought these I stopped booking big shows. lol I've had them out on rental more than I've used them myself. lol So sadly I don't really have an updated opinion on them yet. I'll be using them regularly this summer for our Bike Night shows tho so hopefully I'll get an updated review out mid-summer. I will say I broke a zipper off so you've gotta be careful if you're double stacking subs with a DZR315 on top and you don't take the sub cover off. Just flip up the front flap. I lift the 315 up by myself and sliding it back puts too much tension on the zipper. So now I'm down one zipper which is a little disappointing. I've had a surprising number of issues with Yamaha covers between my DXS12MKII's and the DXS18XLF.
Hello, which one will be louder and more punchy....1 RCF 8004-AS or 1DXS18XLF ?? Thank you so much!
The interesting thing is those were the two subs at the top of my list when I decided to go with Yamaha. Unfortunately no one around here has any RCF gear so I didn't get to compare the two. I'm sure I've heard an 8004 at a trade show but not enough to make a comparison. Price was my determining factor and I will say I'm happy with the Yamaha's but I can't say if they are better or worse than the 8004. The specs are similar and you can get two Yamaha's for the price of one RCF.
@TheAngrySoundTech There basically the same
Thanks for all of the reviews you have done mate. Finding your videos really helpful when looking at new gear. I have the DZR 12’s and I currently have the QSC KW181 but would like to swap it out for a matched Yamaha sub. Have been looking at either the 15 or 18inch Dxs Xlf and just wonders if you have any thoughts on the two.. is the 18 manageable in a one person lug ?
I wouldn't want to carry it everywhere but if you get the castors for rolling it around it's not bad to lift it into a vehicle or stack two subs. I do it all the time by myself. I have the 18" version. Haven't tried the 15" version.
Would 1 of these be enough for a function band performing at small/medium venues 100-200 people?
I would say yes as long as you're indoors. Use high pass filters or run aux fed so you're not using up valuable sub energy for things that don't need it. You're not going to low end that will kick everyone in the chest. But I think it will do the job filling out the sound nicely. Also depending on what tops you're using you might even be able to run the crossover down to 90Hz maybe 80Hz.... 80Hz is a big maybe but lowering the crossover below 100Hz would help maximize the low output of the sub. Also put at least a 40Hz low pass on the bass instruments too. All this will help make the subwoofer more efficient since you'd just be using one.
@@TheAngrySoundTechThanks that sounds good. Our tops are RCF 732s and we have a couple of alto ts215s subs which aren't cutting it. The tops end up taking too much lowend so this looks like a good upgrade.
Just to give you a little insight into what the differences would be. Right now your Alto's put out 129dB each. If you put one on each side of the stage you have roughly 132dB of bass output. If you were to do a center cluster with them (which is what I would recommend to maximize your sub output) you would get 135dB of bass output. Frequency range is 35 to 95Hz at negative 10dB. The DXS18XLF will do 136dB by itself which is only slightly more than the center clustered output of the Alto's so you might not notice a difference in volume output. The frequency range is 30-150Hz at negative 10dB so they go a little deeper. So I'd say with going from two subs down to one Yamaha the main difference would be a deeper better sounding bass since it would be a higher quality subwoofer. These Yamaha's are the best sounding and loudest single 18" subwoofer's I've heard to date. I highly recommend them. If you look at proaudiostar's website they have a bundle deal where they include casters and a cover for free with the purchase. There's where I got mine. Also they offer free shipping.
@@deemownskee The RCF 8004 costs almost twice the ammount of one DXS18XLF. Not sure why you would want to compare those. Obviously the RCF 8004 will hit harder
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can I ask you a favor? If you turn on the subwoofer but don't play any track, there is any type of noise coming from the sub?
Hi mate! Greetings from Aus! Can you do a field test when you get both XLF's? Cheers! :-)
Just got my second one in the other day. I don't have any larger gigs coming up until next month so it will be a little while before I get to test these out at a gig. It's the slow season here in Fargo, ND and I can't wait till spring when I really get to put these to work.
@@TheAngrySoundTech What tops do you plan on getting? DZR315?
I haven't decided yet. My initial goal has been to consolidate our existing subwoofer inventory from 5 different models down to 2 (maybe 3) high performance single driver models. I'm getting rid of all of our dual 18" cabinets. I'm still a bit conflicted when it comes to top cabinets. I will probably buy a set of DZR12's first so that I have a nice small matching system. If I like the DZR12's I may buy the DZR315 as well but with a 75 degree horizontal coverage pattern this would more than likely require using 4 of them at larger gigs to maintain good horizontal coverage. The issue with this is part of my goal since I sold our line array has been to maintain production capabilities to cover up to 1,000 people while keeping the system lightweight enough for one person to set up. I'm 37 years old now and don't much care for the idea of double stacking 8 subs and placing 4 DZR315's on top by myself. lol I've been contemplating buying something like the DB Technologies IG4T which would be nice for some of the corporate gigs we do. I'd like to do more corporate gigs and a slim column array would be perfect. But I'm worried I'd be disappointed with the output of the IG4T when compared to something like the DZR315. I'd hate to spend a ton of money on the IG4T just to be disappointed. So far I haven't been very impressed with the column arrays I've been doing reviews on. Sorry for the long reply. As you can see I'm conflicted when it comes to tops. More than likely tho I'll get the DZR315's if I like the DZR12's. Unless DB Technologies wants to send me 4 IG4T's to demo ;) But I don't see that happening.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Good point about the horizontal coverage. that seems to be the case with almost all 3-way bins. The DZR12's are still monsters especially with subs and I'll be interested in hearing your thoughts when you eventually grab them. I too was looking at the Ingenia stuff but my concern is that they don't go very low at all if I ever wanted to use them in smaller gigs without subs.
Buying 2 yamaha dxr15 speakers and want to add to them one subwoofer for medium parties.. my 2 choices are this yamaha 18 inch subwoofer and the jbl eon 18 latest 18 inch sub. What do you think ?
Very late response but the Yamaha blows the Eon out of the water. The jbl eon sub is not even close in performance
You seem to have a lot of DAS kit, but from your comments, you bought Yamaha because it outperforms the Vantec 18A... did you consider the DAS Action 118A which is louder than the Yamaha ?
The majority of our speaker inventory is DAS Audio but we do major inventory updates every 3 to 4 years or so. I actually stopped buying Action series subwoofers quite a while ago because while they get loud they don't do a very good job of hitting the low frequencies. The Action 118A does hit 137db but in deep mode only hits down to 45hz at negative 10db. The Yamaha is not quite as loud at 136db but hits down to 30hz at negative 10db. There were a few other reasons that made me decide to switch to Yamaha for our subwoofer inventory but basically it is a very new model that is one of the most advanced and well thought out designs on the market today. With that being said the updated Action 500 series will be out this summer and it will be interesting to see how DAS improved the Action series.
I’ve been checking regularly for more vids on your channel haha.. loving the content man. Just wondering if you have an update on this Sub? Are you still liking it? I’ve got the DZR 12’s and looking to pair them with some subs. I had my eye on these and the QSC KS118.
how would you compare it with the older Yamaha DXS18?
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Love your videos. Waiting for the review of the DXS12mkii. There isn't much out there to help us. Please do it!!!
I know I’ve been slacking on my videos lately! I have two of those subs and have been very impressed with their output compared two other 12” subs. I’ll make sure I get a detailed review done soon.
@@TheAngrySoundTech I'll keep my eyes on your channel. I'm thinking about getting a dxs12ii with 2 DXR10s for smaller events. Keeping my 2 KW181s with my DXR12s for bigger.
But after this review I may sell my KW181s and KW153s to get 2 DXS15xlf and 2 DSR112s
Did you see they just updated the DXR series? I don't think the MKII is for sale yet but info is out on Yamaha's web site.
@@TheAngrySoundTech I happened to see them on the website the day they made the announcement. Not a whole lot of improvements. Aside from the larger HF VC I don't see much that inspires an upgrade. Keep an eye out for original DXRs to be sold for cheap to make room.
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Have your heard the DXS18 and can say if it’s any real difference? Can’t seem to find any comparison what so ever online.
So I have not heard the DXS18 but I do own 4 of the DXS12MKII's and I can tell you the 12" version is one heck of a sub. By looking at the specs between the DXS18 and the DXS18XLF they are very similar. If I remember correctly I went with the DXS18XLF just because I wanted to make sure I had Yamaha's flagship sub and it is a good one! But my wallet sometimes wishes I would have saved some $$ and just purchased the DXS18. Especially since I want to have 6 more of them in our inventory.
Thanks. Yes I’m in same position. Want the best. However where I live the XLF is actually a tad cheaper (but not much, both about 2000usd here)
I have a contact who offer me the 2x DXS18 for half price!!! But still think maybe want the XLF just because it’s latest model, but would also be a great save to go with DXS18!!
Hey man great review - looking at adding one of these to my pair or Yamaha DBR15s, then expand to two in the future. My question is: if only using two 15s plus one sub, where would you place the sub in a live band situation? I’m thinking of small to medium rooms, setup either at one end or in the corner. Cheers from Australia.
I'd probably pole mount one of the DBR15's on the sub. In the center would be nice but not always practical.
I own that exact set up (two DBR15s and one DXS18XLF), if you have any questions, let me know.
Old post but maybe I’ll get lucky and get a reply! I have a pair of DBR15 and a pair of DXS18XLF. Just got the subs. Eventually I will get two more subs and two more tops and this will be the PA for my 4 pc band (tradition rock band setup). Anyone have any advise/suggestions as to how to/where to set the DSP on the subs to get the best low end response from the kick drum? LPF at 80 and run them flat (no eq)? Where are you all usually running the level knob? Thanks!!
@@brandtlaughnan1330 hi!,i’m also searching for this question😁
Mine are pairing with DSR115
But i think the DSR115 is too loud for this setup if i set the level on 12 o’clock for all of them.. any suggestions?😉
Would you still highly recommend this sub ? Over the QSC stuff in the same price range ?
Yes, to date the Yamaha is still the best single 18" sub I've owned or heard.
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Have you heard the 15” XLF ? I need one sub for a four piece band in very small bars. Like 50-150 people.drummer uses Roland electric kick. Nice higher end model.
Thanks.
@@TheAngrySoundTech do you know how low it plays? Approximately. I had a JBL eon618S and I loved that it dug down to 30hz when corner loaded, struggled playing below that so I opened it up and extended the tuning but anyways I wanna know if this Yamaha can play down to at least 30
The Eon 618s is rated to 31hz at -10db. The Yamaha DXS18XLF is rated to 30hz at -10db. So fairly similar in frequency response. The Yamaha gets a little louder so you'd probably get a little more noticeable low end out of the Yamaha.
@@TheAngrySoundTech ok I think I decided I’m gonna build my own, since the only one in my price range that matched what I need is the JBL PRX818, so I’m gonna buy a good 18” sub, plate amp, and build my own enclosure tuned to 32hz
Gud day sir, i own 1pair qsc cp12, is this 1 unit active sub is suitable to combined, or just overpower my tops mentioned? Sorry to my poor english from 🇵🇭.
Two subs would definitely overpower your tops but I think one would be just fine.
@@TheAngrySoundTech tnx. Sir for fast response, Have a good day.
@@TheAngrySoundTech can i ask you one more question sir,, if i engage the x over from this sub going to my tops, whats really deferent effects between 80, 100 and 120 hz audio out from my tops cause my qsc cp12 as per review only have 80hz if i engage the d contour to default extention sub, im afraid if i running this in 100 hz from dxs xlf x over it can cause harm or damage my tops, i can't easily afford at this time to replace if its happen, pls enlightened me this one, im a new bee of investing high end pro audio...? God bless,,
You won't damage your tops if you use the sub crossover and have it at 80/100/120hz. I tend to prefer a 100hz crossover but if I'm playing bass heavy music I'll use an 80 hz crossover so the sub can focus on the lower frequencies. I've never been a fan of a 120hz crossover. I think that mostly get used if you're using small tops like 8" speakers that have trouble hitting the lower frequencies.
@@TheAngrySoundTech tnx for info sir,, it really help me..
I was planning to buy the dxs18 but I came across with this new version and it's only couple hundred different price between old and new version is $200 extra is worth to spend for the new version? Thanks
I had the same decision to make as you and I went with the DXS18XLF. I'm happy with my decision and would do it again. The main difference is more powerful DSP in the newer version and also a completely different sub design (Band-pass vs Bass Reflex). Also I should mention I don't own the DXS18 but I do own the DXS12MKII. It's crazy how loud that little 12" subwoofer gets. I'll have a review of that one out soon.
I just ordered the Yamaha DXS15XLF + Cover + Caster Kit for $1399 +free shipping and i hope is more than enough for mobile DJ
I think you made a good choice. It doesn't seem like there is much difference between the 18" and the 15". After i bought mine I had thought that I should have bought the 15" version and saved my back a little.
Have you compare this subwoofer with qcs kw181 side to side sound test? Just curious 😁
I have not. I sold my KW181's a few years ago. I don't have a huge rental inventory so when I buy new stuff it's usually because I sold old stuff.
How would this compare to the vantec 118a?
The Vantec 118A is designed specifically to be hung with the Vantec 20a. I have not had a chance to use the Vantec 118a but I do have 4 of the 18a's and I can tell you the Yamaha DXS18XLF outperforms the Vantec 18A. The Yamaha is newer and more technologically advanced. It get's louder and goes deeper than the Vantec.
Gud day sir, i come back again to ur channel,, i have a problem of my unit dxs18xlf its a week on my hand,.. I used it 3 times minimum of 2hr to 5hrs continues playing music at a time at minimum unity volume at 0db, and suddenly today when i turn it on the power is not functioning no light indicator even the LCD not function, i check the electric power suply and cord all is good i used akari 1.5k wats avr to feed electricity to the unit,, may i ask if u know what is the cause of this problem? Sorry to bother you sir,, the said avr is the source electricity of all my active speaker.. 1pair qsc cp12 tops, 1 unit alto ts318s and this dxs18xlf.. The condition of electricity in my place is stable at 220volts...
I already return the unit to the store as it warranty covered,,,, but i want to know if i have mistake in feeding electricity to this unit base on my way mentioned on comment above,, i hope ur expertise and experience will help me on this kind of situation, so that it wont happened again... Tnx in advance...
Can you do sound test with this sub
I can look into it in the future. I'm not sure if I have the right gear to hook up a reference mic to my camera. But I'll look and see if it's possible.
How would these compare to the etx 18sp?
They are pretty close when you compare the two but there are differences that make me prefer the Yamaha. 1. The Yamaha has dual pole sockets. Both threaded and standard cup. (The EV uses a recessed threaded socket that not all threaded poles work in). 2. Yamaha DSP is a little more advanced and the XLR outputs of the Yamaha can be switched from Thru to DSP out. (The EV outputs are only Thru) 3. The covers for the Yamaha never have to come off which will keep the subs looking new. 4. The Yamaha is louder by 1db 5. The Yamaha is tuned to be louder at lower frequencies (Gotta compare the frequency response charts to see this one).
With the Yamaha you do have to buy casters separately. With the EV they come with the sub.
I don't think you would go wrong with either sub. The Yamaha is just a little newer and a little more advanced with a few features that were a little better thought out. The Yamaha subs work nicely with any brand of top speakers because of the DSP out feature. This makes them great for our rental inventory. The EV subs were designed to work with EV ETX tops. They want you to buy EV subs, EV tops and even the EV sub pole. I'm personally not a fan of companies that try to lock you into their ecosystem... Right down to the sub pole... But if you want an all EV system the ETX18SP is a good sub.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thank you very much for your fast respons. Have a nice day and keep it up 😊
Any updates on these?
I've rented them out more than I've use them myself. I still haven't put together my full DZR system as I've been trying to sell some of my DAS Audio gear. But I will say the little that I've used them I think they sound amazing and all of the people that have rented them also have nothing but positive things to say about them. I'm hoping to get the rest of the system while yamaha is doing their rebate program so hopefully I'll have more info soon!
@@TheAngrySoundTech I highly look forward to that! Can you also do a comparison of sorts? Thnx so much
@@damienlobb85 I'd really like to compare them to the standard DXS18. As of right now the only other single 18" subwoofer I have that I could compare them to would be the DAS Audio Vantec 18A. And I can tell you now the Yamaha is wayyyyyy better.
Dude you know more about audio then I probably ever will .. very impressive! Your reviews are really informative but a little wordy .... get to the point do you recommend or not a why simply! I guess there are some things I just don’t know or understand...
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Wow Cloth on the outside of the grill on a speaker of this price range? Not very road worthy, Big mistake on Yamaha for that move. They would be dirty and scuffed in no time.
Yeah, it's definitely one of the things I'm not too impressed about. I'm hoping the case does a good job protecting it. But only time will tell on that.
@@TheAngrySoundTech hopefully Yamaha will change them grills. But I your case yes I hope they hold up.
@@TheAngrySoundTech I was excited for this new line until I seen the grills... not so much anymore.
What's a good sub to use with my evolve 50.
Do you think two dxsxlf will out perform my event 218a
I no longer have my Event 218A's so I can't do a direct comparison. But on paper if I have two DXS18XLF's and put them side by side there should be a coupling benefit that puts their combined output at 142db which is 2db more than the Event 218A. The frequency range of the Yamaha is also 2 Hz lower than the DAS. Now is this enough of a difference to to be really noticeable? I'd say no. I chose to replace my Event 218A's with the DXS18XLF in an effort to downsize. We just weren't doing enough gigs that required rolling in double stacked Event 218A's. So I think it's more situational. If you're doing big shows it's going to make things so much easier to just roll in a couple double stacked DAS Audio Event 218A. If you don't always need 4 dual 18's then the Yamaha's are the way to go for better versatility between small shows to large.
Yes!!
You will rarely see 1 18 sound louder than 2, even if they’re 2 cheap 18s cone area is always king. Only exception would be if the single 18 you have is 2000+ watts rms and has an extremely powerful motor with copper voice coil, and long throw suspension