@7erdogdu after Mercedes 190D , BMW 2002, 1st VW TDi generations , they are just " bad" as any other brand. E.g. a Peugeot ( PSA group) , French engineering it's equally reliable. Regarding motorcycles 1st GS's are very good as well, but on this field , for way less money Honda, Yamaha will serve you well.
I bought this one, I Friggin' Love it. I have the 2016 but always wanted just about every improvement mentioned in this video. 19" front wheel, handling at super slow speeds, refined DCT, large gas tank, and a bunch of gizmos I'll probably never use, but this thing just FEELS PERFECT!!!
Thinking of this to replace my Super Ténéré. I don’t need crazy ground clearance or 21” front. These bikes are too heavy to enjoy crazy technical work. Give me a canyon carver you can ride all day and take a few dirt short cuts. I’ve ridden mountain service roads on bald rear. You don’t need all that off road ability in dry dual track😊
I have ALWAYS stated that Africa Twin Adventure Sports with 19 inch front wheel would be perfect as it would make the handling better, the center of gravity lower and make the bike more approachable. It is great to see this change finally arrive!
Hope AT brings back the larger wheels 21-18 inches that were on the predecessor in 2013 and earlier come back and that it gets 50 Hp more horsepower + that even those of us who are a little taller than 85 can get a little better wind protection etc. From a Swede 🇸🇪
No, I prefer the old one, I just bought a new 2023 manual ES with 21 inch front wheel, saved £2000 and I prefer it. Although I am tall. I did order the 2024 seat though and it's VERY comfortable!! also many more accessories readily available for it. I might upgrade in 5 years time.
There's an OEM foot shifter sold by Honda for this bike. It plugs into the computer and a place on the frame set aside for this part. Its bolted to the location. Im going to be buying it. You may have to modify skid plate or crash guards.
Great review!!! I Love the changes that Honda made, the biggest problem I have is will it be coming to the USA??? I’d buy this bike in a minute… any idea about availability in the US??? Thanks
Hi there I really think your feedback could help me with a difficult decision I’m making. I’m 1.88 cm tall, 30 years old, and I’m deciding whether to buy a 2020-2023 model or a 2024. The 2020-2023 Africa size was what mainly drew me to it; i liked its 21 wheel too because it inspired me to try off-road more and im sure I’ll like it, although I know that I will mostly drive it on tarmac. With the new model Honda threw me off because it’s actually what I think I’ll need out of this bike, maybe I’ll still be able to approach light off-road while maintaining a good handling on the road, but I’m afraid it is now too small for me or that the smaller front wheel will actually affect the use I could do of it off road in the long run. I don’t know that because I don’t have off-road experience. What model year do you think might suit me the best?
If the higher price is not an issue I would recommend the new one. If you are not yet an experienced offroad-rider and just want to try some light gravel/forest-tracks, the 19 inch frontwheel is more than good enough. And if the offroad-virus gets you and you want more, you will most likely get another, more suitable bike than the ATAS either way, because even with the 21"-wheel ut is a heavy bike with not ideal ergonomics for offroad-riding. On the other hand you will have more fun and control an the tarmac with the 19"-wheel on the new ATAS. Your size shouldnt be a problem. I am 1,85 m myself and there is loads of space on the ATAS. But go for a testride to make sure. I hope I could help you somewhat. Greetings from Austria, McGregor
Would you recommend this bike for someone who has never ridden an adventure sport? Im a tall guy thats only ridden sports or sport touring and am wanting to switch to something more comfortable
I love the bike, but I still want it to be bigger & more powerful. I want 1200-1300ccm - 130-150Hp - drive shaft. Basically I want a new VFR 1200F CrossTourer. And too bad that Yamaha didn't replace the SuperTenere 1200......
I believe they are going to super charge it. Honda has already submitted the paperwork. Hopefully 2025 or 2026! I’m in agreement with you. At least 150bhp, but prefer 170! Lol
Thank you - GREAT review. Very relatable style you have. Absolutely love your terminator accent 🙂 Arnie would definitely approve! Looking at this magnificent machine after, sadly, the unreliability of my 2014 Multistrada. Less power but an easier life, methinks. Plenty of go anyway, especially down low. Love DCT. Will wait 'til the 2025 model as strongly rumored to have the supercharger! Cheers from Sydney Australia.
@@darekz9777 Thank you, always good to have a heads-up. Please tell me, where are you getting this advance info from? My understanding, from past years, is that official info on the new year release AT doesn't come until October at the earliest. very interested in this subject so if you could let me know where the info came from it would be most appreciated.
@@brianhoward9217 The news about the 2025 ATAS and AT is all over the internet. Honda UK, already has updated colors on their website for 2025 ATAS Iridium Grey, but there are not any mechanical changes except paint, unfortunately.
@@darekz9777 I've seen the 'web sites' that you reference. They are scam fairy-floss sites that visually look spectacular and provocative. Typically they will have 5 - 6 minute CGI clips with false renderings of supposed new models. I would challenge you, in a friendly way, to supply the link of a video report other than those fake ones. They are all about getting clicks and they'll lie heavily with fake-news about new models to get the clicks. It isn't only the Africa twin but many, many supposed '2025' bikes. Please supply just one link from a well known authoritative source with reasonably well founded and verifiable facts about the 20205 AT and i will admit you're correct. Otherwise these video reports are just having a lend of us bigtime.
Love the last shot Adam, the green covered rocks. One question though...who's the Brit in the red coat with the facial fuzz 😅. Enjoyed the video, thank you (both).
Good preliminary review! I think that most of the AS models were not taken off-road and Honda knew that, hence the change in front wheel size. Of course they still have the base 21" wheel model. Overall, some good but subtle changes to the lineup as it appears that Honda was listening to their customer base; to an extent. The biggest complaints were no tubeless tires, non-adjustable windshield, windflow management, and an uncomfortable seat. Honda did NOT release any 2023 Africa Twins to the American market, and still no word from them on whether the 2024 models will come. I find that unusual to say the least.
Excellent review brother !!! You're not the only one that said that you don't quite feel that 7% torque bump on the new model , other test drivers said the same thing . My question to you is : does the engine feels like it's running smoother on the new model comparing to the old one or it still feels like it runs the same ?
@@IanTed Didn't you miss the extra torque and power of the GS? I'm eyeing either the MS V2s or the AT AS with the 19" front wheel, coming from a 17" and 140 hp and looking for a ride that copes better with the horrible road surfaces I come across but without too much compromising on performance
She's too expensive. Fully optioned the bike is almost as expensive as a new GS and at that point why not buy the GS. There are more faults and moronic design choices to consider but price trumps them all.
I don’t like the uphill process of specking up the bmw’s… you end up spending a stupid amount of money, and if you don’t click all the boxes you’re left feeling like you’re poor, or don’t have enough money. Plus, if you don’t have all the bells and whistles the depreciation will be enormous… it may work out on a PCP deal but if you’re really buying it… naaa…
I choose this one in the blink of an eye instead of any GS.
why?
@@rusninguran Simple: Japanese Engineering.
@@NoTengoIlusiones whats wrong with german engineering?
@7erdogdu after Mercedes 190D , BMW 2002, 1st VW TDi generations , they are just " bad" as any other brand. E.g. a Peugeot ( PSA group) , French engineering it's equally reliable. Regarding motorcycles 1st GS's are very good as well, but on this field , for way less money Honda, Yamaha will serve you well.
@@NoTengoIlusionesNot been my experience🤣I ride an unreliable Ducati and not had one issue.
If you don't look at the screen you would think there's Arnold Schwarzenegger anchoring this channel😁
Give me your clothes, your boots, and your Africa Twin.
Excellent review McGregor. I have listened to many AT ES reviews. Yours is the best for me. You are authentic and "real".
I bought this one, I Friggin' Love it. I have the 2016 but always wanted just about every improvement mentioned in this video. 19" front wheel, handling at super slow speeds, refined DCT, large gas tank, and a bunch of gizmos I'll probably never use, but this thing just FEELS PERFECT!!!
Thinking of this to replace my Super Ténéré. I don’t need crazy ground clearance or 21” front. These bikes are too heavy to enjoy crazy technical work. Give me a canyon carver you can ride all day and take a few dirt short cuts. I’ve ridden mountain service roads on bald rear. You don’t need all that off road ability in dry dual track😊
Hey mate what year did Honda release the DCT for the Africa Twin
Fantastic overview! Great amount of details, coupled with your valuable insights. Thank you very much!
Very professional review, will definitely look out for more from this team.
I have ALWAYS stated that Africa Twin Adventure Sports with 19 inch front wheel would be perfect as it would make the handling better, the center of gravity lower and make the bike more approachable. It is great to see this change finally arrive!
Excellent comprehensive review 👍🏻. Totally agree with you concerning the 19” front wheel, most riders will be fit from the changes.
After seeing many reviews finally found one explaining the differences between the new and previous model. Well done.
I think it’s the right direction. You want to have fun getting to your destination too, not just at your destination.
Hope AT brings back the larger wheels 21-18 inches that were on the predecessor in 2013 and earlier come back and that it gets 50 Hp more horsepower + that even those of us who are a little taller than 85 can get a little better wind protection etc.
From a Swede 🇸🇪
Wait for this long time 🎉😊.,definitely will buy.
You sound like Arnold 😂. Luv it. 👍 good review..
Thanks 😅 I would prefer not to, but the accent is hard to get rid of. Still, I'LL BE BACK! 😂
@@1000pscom 😁
duuuudeee i was about to write the same think 😅😂 .
@1000pscom no need drop your accent. Instead, embrace it.. 🤟
No, I prefer the old one, I just bought a new 2023 manual ES with 21 inch front wheel, saved £2000 and I prefer it. Although I am tall. I did order the 2024 seat though and it's VERY comfortable!! also many more accessories readily available for it. I might upgrade in 5 years time.
There's an OEM foot shifter sold by Honda for this bike. It plugs into the computer and a place on the frame set aside for this part. Its bolted to the location. Im going to be buying it.
You may have to modify skid plate or crash guards.
One thing missing. 20 horse power. Then is a perfect bike.
50 Hp 😁💡💪
You two are short by 2 and 5 cm I think 😅
Great review!!! I Love the changes that Honda made, the biggest problem I have is will it be coming to the USA??? I’d buy this bike in a minute… any idea about availability in the US???
Thanks
Please recommend Honda to make 1,200 instead of 1,100 engine.
Hi there I really think your feedback could help me with a difficult decision I’m making. I’m 1.88 cm tall, 30 years old, and I’m deciding whether to buy a 2020-2023 model or a 2024. The 2020-2023 Africa size was what mainly drew me to it; i liked its 21 wheel too because it inspired me to try off-road more and im sure I’ll like it, although I know that I will mostly drive it on tarmac. With the new model Honda threw me off because it’s actually what I think I’ll need out of this bike, maybe I’ll still be able to approach light off-road while maintaining a good handling on the road, but I’m afraid it is now too small for me or that the smaller front wheel will actually affect the use I could do of it off road in the long run. I don’t know that because I don’t have off-road experience.
What model year do you think might suit me the best?
If the higher price is not an issue I would recommend the new one. If you are not yet an experienced offroad-rider and just want to try some light gravel/forest-tracks, the 19 inch frontwheel is more than good enough. And if the offroad-virus gets you and you want more, you will most likely get another, more suitable bike than the ATAS either way, because even with the 21"-wheel ut is a heavy bike with not ideal ergonomics for offroad-riding. On the other hand you will have more fun and control an the tarmac with the 19"-wheel on the new ATAS. Your size shouldnt be a problem. I am 1,85 m myself and there is loads of space on the ATAS. But go for a testride to make sure. I hope I could help you somewhat. Greetings from Austria, McGregor
Would you recommend this bike for someone who has never ridden an adventure sport? Im a tall guy thats only ridden sports or sport touring and am wanting to switch to something more comfortable
I love the bike, but I still want it to be bigger & more powerful. I want 1200-1300ccm - 130-150Hp - drive shaft. Basically I want a new VFR 1200F CrossTourer. And too bad that Yamaha didn't replace the SuperTenere 1200......
I believe they are going to super charge it. Honda has already submitted the paperwork. Hopefully 2025 or 2026! I’m in agreement with you. At least 150bhp, but prefer 170! Lol
Does the bike automatically lower (or get softer) at stops with the new suspension?
No, then you need active suspention. This is semi active. You switch yourself 😊
Thank you - GREAT review. Very relatable style you have. Absolutely love your terminator accent 🙂 Arnie would definitely approve! Looking at this magnificent machine after, sadly, the unreliability of my 2014 Multistrada. Less power but an easier life, methinks. Plenty of go anyway, especially down low. Love DCT. Will wait 'til the 2025 model as strongly rumored to have the supercharger! Cheers from Sydney Australia.
Thank you! I'LL BE BACK :)
Unfortunately there won't be any changes to the AT or ATAS in 2025 except slightly different paint scheme.
@@darekz9777 Thank you, always good to have a heads-up. Please tell me, where are you getting this advance info from? My understanding, from past years, is that official info on the new year release AT doesn't come until October at the earliest. very interested in this subject so if you could let me know where the info came from it would be most appreciated.
@@brianhoward9217 The news about the 2025 ATAS and AT is all over the internet. Honda UK, already has updated colors on their website for 2025 ATAS Iridium Grey, but there are not any mechanical changes except paint, unfortunately.
@@darekz9777 I've seen the 'web sites' that you reference. They are scam fairy-floss sites that visually look spectacular and provocative. Typically they will have 5 - 6 minute CGI clips with false renderings of supposed new models. I would challenge you, in a friendly way, to supply the link of a video report other than those fake ones. They are all about getting clicks and they'll lie heavily with fake-news about new models to get the clicks. It isn't only the Africa twin but many, many supposed '2025' bikes. Please supply just one link from a well known authoritative source with reasonably well founded and verifiable facts about the 20205 AT and i will admit you're correct. Otherwise these video reports are just having a lend of us bigtime.
Very comprehensive review! I love my 2018 ATAS DCT and think these changes will make it better. I just hope it comes to the US soon :)
Just ordered one. Exchanging for my trusty CB500X.
Love the last shot Adam, the green covered rocks. One question though...who's the Brit in the red coat with the facial fuzz 😅.
Enjoyed the video, thank you (both).
What a great review!
Good preliminary review! I think that most of the AS models were not taken off-road and Honda knew that, hence the change in front wheel size. Of course they still have the base 21" wheel model. Overall, some good but subtle changes to the lineup as it appears that Honda was listening to their customer base; to an extent. The biggest complaints were no tubeless tires, non-adjustable windshield, windflow management, and an uncomfortable seat. Honda did NOT release any 2023 Africa Twins to the American market, and still no word from them on whether the 2024 models will come. I find that unusual to say the least.
Get to the Choppa!
Once i thought arnold narrating the video...
Get to the choppaaa
Why do you need 1100 cc for off roading? It's got too much power, need a 700cc version
How does it compare to a BMW R1250GS? (Motor and suspension, + pillon comfort)
Better photography than the Brit channels
Thanks!
Why I should buy this if the NT1100 is 5000 EURs cheaper and with same engine? Is this 5000 EURs better than the NT ?
Not just 5000, even 8000 for a slightly used one and NT has panniers included, so it's almost double the price.
My dream bike
I don’t want a DCT! If and when it shows in USA market only DCT is available, disappointed in HONDA, will have to look at GSA
Ever ridden a DCT? I love mine off road. You need to learn how to use the rear brake a bit more but I find it way better than a manual.
Wonder if that supercharged Africa Twin will ever become reality? Anyone aware of any new rumors?
250kg?? Jeez
it doesn't get any better than that. The flagship in adventure world,
Excellent review brother !!! You're not the only one that said that you don't quite feel that 7% torque bump on the new model , other test drivers said the same thing . My question to you is : does the engine feels like it's running smoother on the new model comparing to the old one or it still feels like it runs the same ?
Would you recommend africa twin adventure sports over multi strada V2S? I am torn between both
the V2s is more agile and sporty, the africa twin has japanese reliability and is more touring oriented. depends what you prefer
Thank you so much for replying. Africa twin it is!
I bought the V2S, far more fun to ride…came off a 1250 GSA, only 225kg wet, much lighter handling and no reliability issues at all.
@@IanTed Didn't you miss the extra torque and power of the GS? I'm eyeing either the MS V2s or the AT AS with the 19" front wheel, coming from a 17" and 140 hp and looking for a ride that copes better with the horrible road surfaces I come across but without too much compromising on performance
We way a real world comparison with GS 1300
why do i hear Arnold every time you speak!! " caman get to the chappar!!!""
Jesus, finally an Africa Twin review not made by a grandpa =)) anyone under 40 riding this thing or is it just me? =)
39 and thinking of buying one…love this thing.
19" wheel in front is Africa Twin over! everybody goes opposite way coz try to do proper dual sport
Sorry, but the paint job is awful. I would buy the 2020 to 23. That 21 inch wheel is not a big deal, its nice to have, hit a big hole & roll on.
If you dont want wind,travel in the car ✨
A 19” on what is an excellent off road bike is a travesty! It handles just fine on twisties! Please don’t drive it to Starbucks!
They still have the base model which comes with a standard 21" front wheel.
What a adventure bike should be, but in NZ, Highly overpriced. Would not buy it. There are better and cheaper options in NZ.
She's too expensive. Fully optioned the bike is almost as expensive as a new GS and at that point why not buy the GS. There are more faults and moronic design choices to consider but price trumps them all.
too expensive for that price you have the 1300gs
I ordered gs1300 week ago but im considering about new Africa. I have a little problem with looks in new gs…
@@MK-bk6nt im too old to judge something for a reason how it looks, i prefer how it feels 😀
I don’t like the uphill process of specking up the bmw’s… you end up spending a stupid amount of money, and if you don’t click all the boxes you’re left feeling like you’re poor, or don’t have enough money.
Plus, if you don’t have all the bells and whistles the depreciation will be enormous… it may work out on a PCP deal but if you’re really buying it… naaa…
$12K less than a fully loaded 1300 GS
@@razorwired130 Austria price for AT 16790 eur, ATAS 21000 eur
I bet you can do a pretty good Arnold impression.
GET TO DA CHOPPA!!!