I watch videos for projects that I’m not even going to do just because I like how he does his videos
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A great product in a great video. Former BMW MC mechanic, vintage, classic, contemporary and now in a M8. The S&S products are tempting me to do another ground up parts bike. Old school quality!
@@eddiemorris5601 Yeah mine is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. .My indicator light that as well as my dials that he shows in his case on the position sensor are by the fuse box on mine
Hey Bruce thanks for another great video! I wonder how electric start modes ease strain on the starter - seems it'd be better to fire right away so the starter doesn't have to spin as long. But I think I'm having a brain cramp on that one... Anyway thanks again!
I've always wondered the same thing. What is the purpose of having the motor spinning momentarily before it starts ? I haven't ever gotten a straight answer.
@@whatyoumakeofit6635 To have time to get some fresh fuel mixture down into the cylinders. If it's been sitting for a while, there may not already be some fuel mixture down in there. Just because a spark occurs doesn't guarantee there's any fuel mixture for it to ignite.
Put your fingertip onto the front cylinder spark plug hole, you will feel the cylinder create a vacuum from under your finger as you rotate your rear wheel clockwise. This is your intake stroke. The next stroke will be the compression stroke and you will feel the air escape the cylinder. As soon as it begins start looking for your mark.The event happens fairly quickly and it's okay to reverse rotation of the wheel back to the intake stroke to start the process again. Five events in a four stroke engine. Intake stroke, Compression stroke, Timed ignition, Power stroke, Exhaust stroke
Let me add that on your exhaust stroke you hear the event through your exhaust due to your exhaust valve is open. Compression stroke obviously both valves have to be closed.
Even though this is an old video I’m hoping you still check massages. I bought a ’96 Electra Glide with a Revtech engine with a bad crane ignition module. I’m replacing it with an S&S module. I haven’t looked but if the wire color codes match can I just splice the new module into the existing wiring? I have water proof heat shrink connectors. Thanks for your answer if I get one and if not I am going to wing it.
I installed a new Hi 4 because old Crane Hi 4 worked rock solid for years. So when I had my motor rebuild went with new S and S Hi 4 . Plus I hold S and S products in high esteem! That being said my new S and S is acting weird after only 4 k miles. Cutting out like rev limiter is engaged at Low to mid rpm range. It will run fine and out of no where tack will start bouncing and bike dies. Restart it and bike runs fine or maybe not . I really only want reliability and don't have money to just drop 500 bucks on new ignition from S and S . I just want to ride my motorcycle ,I don't want no pickle ! Very disappointed in what I thought used to be a rock solid reliable ignition system ! I am ready to go back to OEM style harley ignition with the brain box under the right side cover or maybe points . Performance is no goid if your bike ain't reliable .
Hey Greg, we totally understand your frustration, an ill-running bike is no fun! Reach out to our tech team via email at sstech@sscycle.com or phone at +1 608-627-1958. Be sure to leave a detailed message and our team will get back to you as soon as they can.
Bruce , I have retro style super stok 79 inch S&S engine . It says is 11:1 compression .What advance rate I should switch on ignition modul , same as you say nr 9?Or I should go down?Please advise.
Hi. I have a 83 model shovelhead . Kick start .. Then i use mode " 8" . But the advance rate is 9 advice in his video ?? . What is recomened for this stock engine ? Ready to install now... :)
How is the wiring done if we are using the orange s&s duel fire? I have a bike that the blue wire and brown wire was not used. Only the white, pink and violet wires where used
This was also a question of mine, but if you mark at TDC with the reference point in the primary, THEN use the back timed light at 35, it makes sense you will hit the Advance at the spot you need BTDC.
Are you sure that the engine is on the compression stroke when the TDC mark is in the timing window? If it is, please call our tech dept for more help. It goes a lot more quickly on the phone than an exchange in UA-cam comments. 608-627-1497
I'm looking at my installation instructions for S&S IST Ignition. This is for my brand new V-111 engine. This engine is replacing an S&S 88 ci evo style 1999 CMC/Indian Billy Bike replica with Thunder Heart electronics, I'm using Twin Tec ign. Dual fire. with no voes. My question is where do I begin to wire up all of these new sensors and single fire ign. on this new engine when dealing with an old 1999 thunder Heart extremely compact mini electronics system? Thanks for help, Fred RLTW
hello, great tutorial, I would like to know how would I wire a Dynatek 3 OHM coil ? asking because the Crane HI-4N instructions only show coils with Three wire posts on single fire coils.
funkyoldmedina The instructions do have a diagram that shows how to hook up a dual fire coil. Take a look at Figure 1. Make sure you have the correct instruction sheet. You can download it at this URL: www.sscycle.com/files/4614/1874/5826/510-0277_hi4n_20141215.pdf If you still have questions, please call our tech line at 608-627-1497. Those guy can for sure get you on the road!
S&S Cycle, Inc right now ..i have two dinas coils ..and problems with trigger igniter module ... running 15mins and shut off (no spark) .... and 20 mins later start again ... Coils , good ..(new) Regulator ,good .. module box , good . (power arc ll single fire) and i like the S&S HI-4N ..... to my fxrp 89 .. ..........................CHEERS ........................ ..
Out of curiosity, what is the exhaust system on this bad boy? I may be showing my ignorance but I've not seen this type of H-pipe configuration on a bike before.
Patrick Garvin Patrick, I was referring to the H configuration - the crossover pipe between the headers. I've seen that on high performance cars often but this is the first time I've seen it on a bike. That's why I was curious.
Jeff Irick So am I. The H configuration is the stock header system that came on Evo Softails. That particular bike has Screamin Eagle slip on mufflers attached to the stock header system. www.bikez.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson_1340_heritage_softail_spesial_1994.php
Patrick Garvin Thanks, Patrick. I'm not an expert but I really don't see why you would want to create an exhaust system that would, at best cause a "scrambled air flow". It seems to me that doing that would "clog" your system in terms of escaping air flow. For the record, I'm an Assistant Professor of Math and Physics. This kind of configuration doesn't make sense to me. It looks to me like the exhaust gases are simply going to race by the cross-over tube and do nothing at all. In a high performance car(which I'm more familiar with) certain exhaust configurations can give you back pressure that can help increase your compression and, thus your power, etc. even though that seems counter intuitive. The H configuration has never made any sense to me because the exhaust expulsion is simply going to "slide by" the H-pipe. The X-pipe config is popular and supposedly a good power addition. With the expulsions from headers 1 and 2 crossing and "jamming" and then "repelling"each other, as it were, I can easily see a back pressure buildup which might, in the end increase your engine's output, but it would also decrease its lifespan substantially.
Jeff Irick The crossover pipe is something that all stock Harley-Davidson® exhaust systems have, and is a feature of the S&S Power Tune Dual headers. Many other bikes and cars have this also. It really doesn't scramble the air flow as you might expect. Keep in mind that exhaust coming out of a cylinder head is not a steady flow. It comes out in pulses. That makes the resonance of the pipe an important factor. It is really beneficial to scramble the pulses since the pipe has a resonant frequency and tends to make peak power at one rpm. If it has a peak at one rpm, it must have a valley, at some other rpm. The crossover pipe detunes the pipe making it less resonant. Mufflers also break up the exhaust pulses and help prevent them from reflecting back up the pipe and fighting with the next pulse as it tries to come out of the exhaust port. The result is that the engine will produce a wider, smoother power band. In most cases this will result in more "power under the curve" when analyzing a dyno chart. Take a look at this video. ua-cam.com/video/KjKUKhHQLHg/v-deo.html
No, you don't have to ground the VOES. In fact it's a good thing to have working for you, since shovels are more prone to detonation when they get hot. VOES helps a lot with that by backing the timing off when the engine is under a load. What you must do is set the module to kick start mode! That makes it spark on the first crank revolution and it starts much easier. Some electronic ignitions will provide you with hours of aerobic exercise trying to kick start them, but the HI4N really does kick start easily.
Thanks so much for your speedy response!! I will look into getting a voes. It is a light, stroker so I usually don`t have much trouble. Like you said though when it gets really hot and pulling a steep hill or something voes would be nice to have. Otherwise it sounds like the wire is just taped up. Thanks again!!
i know this is an old thread, but i wanted to ask about the Fireball HI4TC rear cyl offset, if my front cyl is set to retard 1 degree, does the rear follow that? or must i also set the rear to retard 1 degree, i ask because i seem to have more reversion in the rear than the front, it is set to init -1 and rear cyl 0. in my carb'd twin cam 2000 FXDL there are andrews 26H cams (hydraulic tensioner upgrade) done by dealer. thanks in advance
The heads may effect the timing your require, but there should be no problem. You should ask the manufacturer for timing recommendations. The main thing to keep in mind is that this ignition is designed for 1970-'99 big twins with alternator style crankcases. It can also be used with a special timer and reversed timing gears in generator engines.
Charles Barber You've come the the right place! The S&S Super E and Super G carbs are available for just about any carbureted Harley-Davidson® motorcycle. Check out our website at www.sscycle.com.
I watch videos for projects that I’m not even going to do just because I like how he does his videos
A great product in a great video. Former BMW MC mechanic, vintage, classic, contemporary and now in a M8.
The S&S products are tempting me to do another ground up parts bike.
Old school quality!
Love this video I always wondered how to use the timing light and now it makes sense thanks to you guys 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you ,the timing mark tip in the primary case is as smart as it gets .The squirting oil mess days are gone
Ain't it the truth!
You explained that very well. A great production.
Love this guy!, easily understandable, clear instruction. Thank you!!
Thank you , for some reason I thought the coil I have was a single fire. Thank you for helping me with that. Keep up the awsome videos.
funkyoldmedina mine is a 3 dial wirh a switch
@@eddiemorris5601 Yeah mine is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. .My indicator light that as well as my dials that he shows in his case on the position sensor are by the fuse box on mine
s&s vtwin rules,hi-4n fires spectacular
Thanks you make it easy to up grade my 97 flstc
nice job.....one of the better video iv seen
Hey Bruce thanks for another great video! I wonder how electric start modes ease strain on the starter - seems it'd be better to fire right away so the starter doesn't have to spin as long. But I think I'm having a brain cramp on that one... Anyway thanks again!
I've always wondered the same thing. What is the purpose of having the motor spinning momentarily before it starts ? I haven't ever gotten a straight answer.
@@whatyoumakeofit6635 To have time to get some fresh fuel mixture down into the cylinders. If it's been sitting for a while, there may not already be some fuel mixture down in there. Just because a spark occurs doesn't guarantee there's any fuel mixture for it to ignite.
It allows the starter to build some inertia against the kickback from compression.
Hi, when you set the timing with the timing light 35 ° do you unplugged the veos, thanks in advanced.
Good job
How were you able to tell which stroke the cylinder is on at TDC?
Put your fingertip onto the front cylinder spark plug hole, you will feel the cylinder create a vacuum from under your finger as you rotate your rear wheel clockwise. This is your intake stroke. The next stroke will be the compression stroke and you will feel the air escape the cylinder. As soon as it begins start looking for your mark.The event happens fairly quickly and it's okay to reverse rotation of the wheel back to the intake stroke to start the process again. Five events in a four stroke engine. Intake stroke, Compression stroke, Timed ignition, Power stroke, Exhaust stroke
Let me add that on your exhaust stroke you hear the event through your exhaust due to your exhaust valve is open. Compression stroke obviously both valves have to be closed.
great video 5 stars bro
Even though this is an old video I’m hoping you still check massages. I bought a ’96 Electra Glide with a Revtech engine with a bad crane ignition module. I’m replacing it with an S&S module. I haven’t looked but if the wire color codes match can I just splice the new module into the existing wiring? I have water proof heat shrink connectors. Thanks for your answer if I get one and if not I am going to wing it.
Hey John, drop us an email at SSTech@SSCycle.com and we can talk this through with you.
I installed a new Hi 4 because old Crane Hi 4 worked rock solid for years. So when I had my motor rebuild went with new S and S Hi 4 . Plus I hold S and S products in high esteem! That being said my new S and S is acting weird after only 4 k miles. Cutting out like rev limiter is engaged at Low to mid rpm range. It will run fine and out of no where tack will start bouncing and bike dies. Restart it and bike runs fine or maybe not . I really only want reliability and don't have money to just drop 500 bucks on new ignition from S and S . I just want to ride my motorcycle ,I don't want no pickle ! Very disappointed in what I thought used to be a rock solid reliable ignition system ! I am ready to go back to OEM style harley ignition with the brain box under the right side cover or maybe points . Performance is no goid if your bike ain't reliable .
Hey Greg, we totally understand your frustration, an ill-running bike is no fun! Reach out to our tech team via email at sstech@sscycle.com or phone at +1 608-627-1958. Be sure to leave a detailed message and our team will get back to you as soon as they can.
Perfetto !!! Grazie !!!!
Good show😊
Thank you!
Bruce , I have retro style super stok 79 inch S&S engine . It says is 11:1 compression .What advance rate I should switch on ignition modul , same as you say nr 9?Or I should go down?Please advise.
Great video buddy.
Thanks 👍
What does a 2004 harley davidson softail motorcycle ignition module look like.
Hi. I have a 83 model shovelhead . Kick start .. Then i use mode " 8" . But the advance rate is 9 advice in his video ?? . What is recomened for this stock engine ? Ready to install now... :)
Don't you have to ground the plug wires/coil while static timing ? Other ignitions claim you will fry your coil if you don't .
do you have to disconnect the whole ignition module
Like your video , I have a roadking 2001 an rear spark is not giving a spark , can you help me on that have change spark , thank you
What if you don’t have a voess or whatever it’s called do I ground the purple wire or ????
please help friend. what is this wire?
When I removed the tank I found it already disconnected. I didn't understand where he came from.
How is the wiring done if we are using the orange s&s duel fire? I have a bike that the blue wire and brown wire was not used. Only the white, pink and violet wires where used
Hey Danny, drop us an email over to sstech@sscycle.com along with some photos and our tech team would be happy to help you troubleshoot this.
Hello, thanks, all is very informative, but i did not understood how and when you marked reference point on 12:03 , what is this reference point?
Front cylinder TDC.
@@SSCycleInc I am very new to it sorry. So blue mark front TCD and then what was white mark?
I got it !!! no need to answer :)
This was also a question of mine, but if you mark at TDC with the reference point in the primary, THEN use the back timed light at 35, it makes sense you will hit the Advance at the spot you need BTDC.
The same setup to sportster ?
SUPER !
I have a Crane Cam 8-6100 HI-4N. When I do the static timing as I turn the plate the red light never goes off. Any input.
Are you sure that the engine is on the compression stroke when the TDC mark is in the timing window? If it is, please call our tech dept for more help. It goes a lot more quickly on the phone than an exchange in UA-cam comments. 608-627-1497
Ken Rahn
I'm looking at my installation instructions for S&S IST Ignition. This is for my brand new V-111 engine. This engine is replacing an S&S 88 ci evo style 1999 CMC/Indian Billy Bike replica with Thunder Heart electronics, I'm using Twin Tec ign. Dual fire. with no voes. My question is where do I begin to wire up all of these new sensors and single fire ign. on this new engine when dealing with an old 1999 thunder Heart extremely compact mini electronics system? Thanks for help, Fred RLTW
+fred tompkins Please call our Tech Dept at 608-627-1497. It would take too long to explain it here, but not too long in real time!
+S&S Cycle, Inc
I made contact with tech support and think Ill be ok now. Thanks!!
hello, great tutorial, I would like to know how would I wire a Dynatek 3 OHM coil ? asking because the Crane HI-4N instructions only show coils with Three wire posts on single fire coils.
funkyoldmedina The instructions do have a diagram that shows how to hook up a dual fire coil. Take a look at Figure 1. Make sure you have the correct instruction sheet. You can download it at this URL:
www.sscycle.com/files/4614/1874/5826/510-0277_hi4n_20141215.pdf
If you still have questions, please call our tech line at 608-627-1497. Those guy can for sure get you on the road!
funkyoldmedina
How do you wire up the HI-4N ignition for duel coils. It says It will wire up for duel coil & duel plugged Heads
Hey there - here is the link to the instruction sheet for the Hi-4N - assetcloud.roccommerce.net/files/_sscycle/9/4/5/510-0277_hi4n_20141215.pdf
I have a 74 shovel. What is the rotor number required to run this ignition?
Hey Mike - give our techs a call to get part numbers. 608-627-1958
OK .... if i put a ignition module like this ... i can remove the ignition module box of my FXRP 89 ........ thanks ...........
+mco zpda Yes you can. The S&S HI-4N is totally contained in the cone cover, and connects directly to the coil.
S&S Cycle, Inc
right now ..i have two dinas coils ..and problems with trigger igniter module ...
running 15mins and shut off (no spark) .... and 20 mins later start again ...
Coils , good ..(new)
Regulator ,good ..
module box , good . (power arc ll single fire)
and i like the S&S HI-4N ..... to my fxrp 89 ..
..........................CHEERS ........................ ..
+S&S Cycle, Inc loop
After the install, can I switch the stock ignition module?
Not sure we understand the question?
Out of curiosity, what is the exhaust system on this bad boy? I may be showing my ignorance but I've not seen this type of H-pipe configuration on a bike before.
It looks like a stock header system with Screamin Eagle slip ons.
Patrick Garvin Patrick, I was referring to the H configuration - the crossover pipe between the headers. I've seen that on high performance cars often but this is the first time I've seen it on a bike. That's why I was curious.
Jeff Irick So am I. The H configuration is the stock header system that came on Evo Softails. That particular bike has Screamin Eagle slip on mufflers attached to the stock header system. www.bikez.com/motorcycles/harley-davidson_1340_heritage_softail_spesial_1994.php
Patrick Garvin Thanks, Patrick. I'm not an expert but I really don't see why you would want to create an exhaust system that would, at best cause a "scrambled air flow". It seems to me that doing that would "clog" your system in terms of escaping air flow. For the record, I'm an Assistant Professor of Math and Physics. This kind of configuration doesn't make sense to me. It looks to me like the exhaust gases are simply going to race by the cross-over tube and do nothing at all.
In a high performance car(which I'm more familiar with) certain exhaust configurations can give you back pressure that can help increase your compression and, thus your power, etc. even though that seems counter intuitive. The H configuration has never made any sense to me because the exhaust expulsion is simply going to "slide by" the H-pipe.
The X-pipe config is popular and supposedly a good power addition. With the expulsions from headers 1 and 2 crossing and "jamming" and then "repelling"each other, as it were, I can easily see a back pressure buildup which might, in the end increase your engine's output, but it would also decrease its lifespan substantially.
Jeff Irick
The crossover pipe is something that all stock Harley-Davidson® exhaust systems have, and is a feature of the S&S Power Tune Dual headers. Many other bikes and cars have this also. It really doesn't scramble the air flow as you might expect. Keep in mind that exhaust coming out of a cylinder head is not a steady flow. It comes out in pulses. That makes the resonance of the pipe an important factor. It is really beneficial to scramble the pulses since the pipe has a resonant frequency and tends to make peak power at one rpm. If it has a peak at one rpm, it must have a valley, at some other rpm. The crossover pipe detunes the pipe making it less resonant. Mufflers also break up the exhaust pulses and help prevent them from reflecting back up the pipe and fighting with the next pulse as it tries to come out of the exhaust port. The result is that the engine will produce a wider, smoother power band. In most cases this will result in more "power under the curve" when analyzing a dyno chart. Take a look at this video. ua-cam.com/video/KjKUKhHQLHg/v-deo.html
What if the light doesn't come on do you the that I burned something on the ignition
Recommend you reach out to our Tech Team on this one! www.sscycle.com/contact
Novice here, what are the plugs for on the push rod side
Happy to help, but not sure what you're asking?
The bike I recently sold had plugs on both sides of the motor, it was a 80Liter 1340 fxr drag bike built for street
@@jasonrawls7685 Spark Plugs, got it. A 2 plug head is designed for a more efficient burn, but are pretty rare on the early motors.
Best one iv come acros mate
They don't make these anymore huh?
Huh? We do indeed still make them. www.sscycle.com/search/?keyword=hi-4n#keyword=hi-4n&category=1%7CIgnition
will this work on my 1983 Honda Shadow 750?
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Unfortunately it will not, although there are a number of manufacturers that do build ignitions for the Honda line.
On a kick only shovel should the voes wire be grounded?? Thanks
No, you don't have to ground the VOES. In fact it's a good thing to have working for you, since shovels are more prone to detonation when they get hot. VOES helps a lot with that by backing the timing off when the engine is under a load. What you must do is set the module to kick start mode! That makes it spark on the first crank revolution and it starts much easier. Some electronic ignitions will provide you with hours of aerobic exercise trying to kick start them, but the HI4N really does kick start easily.
Thanks so much for your speedy response!! I will look into getting a voes. It is a light, stroker so I usually don`t have much trouble. Like you said though when it gets really hot and pulling a steep hill or something voes would be nice to have. Otherwise it sounds like the wire is just taped up. Thanks again!!
How do you set to kick start mode
@@williamelliott669 Adjust the mode dial on the top of the module to 8 for single fire kick start or to 9 for dual fire kick start
Help me please 🙏 i just bought a 124 crate engine S&S and need help on setup of my 2000i ignition, especially static and flywheel marks. Anyone?
Drop us an email over to SSTech@SSCycle.com and one of our techs would be happy to help get you going!
i know this is an old thread, but i wanted to ask about the Fireball HI4TC rear cyl offset, if my front cyl is set to retard 1 degree, does the rear follow that? or must i also set the rear to retard 1 degree, i ask because i seem to have more reversion in the rear than the front, it is set to init -1 and rear cyl 0. in my carb'd twin cam 2000 FXDL there are andrews 26H cams (hydraulic tensioner upgrade) done by dealer. thanks in advance
What is it if the bike starts malfunctioning at half throttle
Slow down your Advanced rate
can this system be used with delkron heads
The heads may effect the timing your require, but there should be no problem. You should ask the manufacturer for timing recommendations.
The main thing to keep in mind is that this ignition is designed for 1970-'99 big twins with alternator style crankcases. It can also be used with a special timer and reversed timing gears in generator engines.
Thanks , I need a carb
Charles Barber You've come the the right place! The S&S Super E and Super G carbs are available for just about any carbureted Harley-Davidson® motorcycle. Check out our website at www.sscycle.com.
Ur web site difficult to navigate, need a super e set up but want to retain my air cleaner...
Charles Barber Why don't you give our tech department a call and see what options you have. (866) BIG-BORE (244-2673)
How many degrees
at 2500 rpm
on my std 80 1999 evo softail?
Recommend you reach out to our tech team at +1 608-627-1958 or www.sscycle.com/contact
Please potato idle sound!!