To be fair it looks like one of the best looking Xbox 360 games I have ever seen! Bloody incredible for such an old system, unlike BO3 which on last gen looks worse than the original Black Ops.
The reason why Black ops 3 on Xbox 360 and PS3 looks so horribly bad because it was never made for the 360 and PS3 it was supposed to be made for Xbox One and PS4 but Activision decided to be extremely greedy and hire high Moon studios to make a 360 and PS3 version they had to strip so many features and dropped the resolution all the way down to 480p and upscaled 1080p it was the worst looking game I ever seen but as bad as it looked I actually enjoyed the online multiplayer and online zombies that's about it the frame rate is pretty stable but it can drop all the way down to 30 FPS if there is a lot of shit going on in front of you lol but after I maxed out at level 50 I never played Black ops 3 360 and PS3 version ever again it was fun while it lasted
That's why it makes me laugh when people claim PS4 is already maxed out. Compare a 360 launch to 2 year old game...to Rise of Tomb on 360 and it's very clear how much these fixed consoles can muster. We haven't seen the best of PS4. Games like Detroit: Become Human is showing the potential of PS4, but even that will be surpassed down the line by the last titles that will be developed for PS4. When God of War 4 is revealed, it will be the most technically, beautiful console game (and even including PC) to date. Watch. It will be like...HOLY CRAP, "I didn't know the PS4 was THIS powerful."
+Abdelhakim Nouri (Neozander) it looked about the same with Tomb Raider 2013, it's because unlike with Call of Duty, they got a good developer to make it.
+CodeNameZ bro its 720p, low res textures, no volumetric light, low res shadow, low geometric details, less foliage and detais in general on x360. Explain to me how it look better for you. Im curious.
ivo I already say it, it looks more like a Tomb Raider game, when I see the colors in the 360 version it just says Tomb Raider to me. While the X1 version yeah in theory looks better I just dont have that Tomb Raider feel while seeing the X1 version
The last proper last-gen port. By the time this was released I think the Xbox 360 had just turned ten years old. The PS3 and Xbox 360 era was so much better than the current generation mess that we have now.
By watching this video I was thinking "Why not having this game on Nintendo Switch?" It make perfect sense to port the X360 version with some improvement to the Nintendo Switch.
@@mrsupergt1You’ll still be able to buy the physical version. And if I remember correctly, if you buy backwards compatible games, you can download them onto your 360.
This is amazing. The 360 is 2005. No pc lasts that long or could look this good on 10 year old system. Game is beautiful on Xbox one and the fact it looks that good on 360 is just stunning.
R.I.P Xbox 360 July 29 2024......Because of the Xbox 360 a lot of PC owners benefited for a long time because of optimizing for a 2005 console with only 512 MB of memory and so PC owners although they called consoles peasants it was the console's game development that were actually PC Master Race's unsung heroes....Nowadays developers don't care about memory management they just load everything at once with very little or poor assets and texture streaming and large Hard Drive storage requirements.....
Yes, the hardware in the 360 is 10 years old but you have to remember, the hardware in the XB1 and even the PS4 is, for the most part, from 2010 and 2011. They weren't the bleeding edge when they released and the hardware choices they went with weren't top notch even when that hardware released for PC. The GPU's in both the XB1 and PS4 are weaker then a GTX 680. The CPU's in both the XB1 and PS4 are weaker then all i7's, all i5's, and even all i3's. Again, I'm not saying they're bad systems but they aren't sporting hardware that's industry leading and they were dated by several years at launch (kind of like Wii U just not as bad). This is unlike 360 and PS3 which actually were the bleeding edge during that time. Heck, getting a computer with an Intel dual core CPU back then was pretty hot stuff back then. Both 360 and PS3 were sporting high end Power PC CPU's with more cores then industry leading computers and had GPU's in them that were the bleeding edge for the time.
Very impressive port. The visual difference between the versions reminds me more of the Gamecube and PS2 releases of Resident Evil 4 rather than a generational leap.
Thanks for this video! My team and I worked very hard on it back in the day. I was part of "Team Amnesia", a team dedicated to reducing memory footprint for the downport. I was also in charge of redesigning the hunting system and emulating trigger rumble. I also did a lot of bug hunting for XR certification.
What an incredible achievement this port is!! Despite Its visual cutbacks, It's easily one of the most impressive games on 360. You guys did the impossible. 🙏
nixxes. the guys worked on the 360 and PS4 versions of the game. no input lag. crystal dynamics. worked on the xbone ver. has input freaking lag to this day. wow mate
I have just completed this game on my Xbox 360 and this game looks absolutely stunning!!!!!! I have just witnessed a great Xbox 360 game after such along time
+AlbostyleG I had actually written this comment before I finished the video, omg that input lag. I'm waiting on the Pc version myself but hopefully people on PS4 get these issues fixed.
I have only just got the PS4 version and even before seeing this comparison I didn't think the next gen Tomb Raider was that much of a step up graphically from the last one I played on the PS3. The lighting is the biggest thing and the rest extremely minor graphical improvements. When you consider one version is running on a so say next generation hardware the differences are laughable really.
Impressive work by Nixxes and a nice swan song for Xbox 360 almost ten years after Tomb Raider: Legend launched on the console. It was really ahead of its time in 2005.
So basically this game was held back and not developed to it's full potential so it could run decent on the Xbox 360 or the X1 is really not that big of a leap over the 360 no way this game should be that close in comparison in MY OPINION
+therealhard8times If a previous gen game is not optimized, people complain. When it is very well optimized, people complain. Really no way to satisfy the gaming community eh? And yea I know its just your opinion but still...
This game is arguably one of the best looking games on PS4 and Xbox One. I'm a fan of your channel but I think you've got this wrong. A separate team ported it over to 360. The Xbox One version looks far superior.
The input lag may be an engine problem as the original 2013 tomb raider also have a heavy input lag. The problem is solved when you play at 60 fps on PC but consoles are stuck with it... PC version actually have more input lag at 30 fps than consoles btw.
In the final parts of the adventure or in secondary areas the care to detailis is very lacking, the rendering distance of the objects is very evident and objects lose details a few meters away, but the framerate remains stable at 30 FPS. I wonder if they could sacrifice a few frames for better graphic detail. Overall the 2013 chapter is visually richer and more refined, even if it presents extremely rough character models.
1:30 wow they couldn't even be bothered to actually keep the rocks solid? if rocks fell through the floor like those then people in earthquake bound regions would have survival rates through the roof.
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Psx , Snes , Gameboy and Xbox 360 are the best maxed out consoles in history , developers made amazing things when they were on their last breath.
i just completed the 360 version and the only problem i had was some areas wouldn't load correctly like the geo vally and lara would sometimes not use her glow sticks correctly , other than that its an amazing game on 360 and a cheaper alternative
Having previously played the PS4 and PC versions of this game i recently picked up a copy on 360 which i am currently playing. Im really impressed with how it looks and plays.
This really shows how ridiculously talented Nixxes are. They ported Tomb Raider and Human Revolution to PC both of which were easily the best versions of their respective games and didn't feel like ports at all. And now they port Rise of the Tomb Raider to weaker hardware for once and still manage to improve on it in some ways. I wish other games' ports like Batman Arkham Knight's PC version would have been outsourced to Nixxes too.
Well. This is where consoles win big time. You just put in the game and play. On a TEN YEAR OLD hardware. And it is still absolutely playable. Please don't reply that you can do it on PC... because you can't. It wont even load on a 2005 system. (Remember for example 1GB of RAM was very awesome back than.)
So what? Nobody playing on PC keep it with 10 years old hardware, oh and yeah how much 360 did you pay since it's on the market? Every friends i know had to get at least 2 or 3 360 because if you were playing all day after 4 years or so it was dead
Lol yes you can play on really old hardware. And I agree about the multiple consoles. Went through 3 PS3 during the generation. I prefer PC to consoles. My hardware in my PC right now could last for years, but I choose to upgrade it often. That flexibility helps a lot.
+Péter Sági they would had to make DirectX 9 version of the game so it could run on 2005 PCs. But why, when less than 1% people who would buy this game have 10 years old PC. And there are no optimized drivers for 10 year GPUs - again, because no one uses 2005 PC anymore. Current $100 laptops are faster than that.
+wooooowwe1 I can see your point, but I never bought more than 1 PS3, which I still play to this day. (If you want to consider hardware amortization, its also a factor on PC) Also: I live in an Eastern-EU country where most people can't afford to spend more than a few hundred bucks for 5-6 years in gaming. But I would probably choose console anyway because of the killer price/perfmance/lifespan ratio and exklusives.
This also shows another thing - that the dx9/10 pc hardware was retired before its time. As for the game itself, rise of the tomb raider is definitely the best tr game, and the lara model itself is made better than in the newer continuation of the franchise.
Could you do a ps3/360 evil within video? It would certainly be interesting :) Those version may have worse graphics, but the game is fully intact, and i can say that the ps3 version works absolutely fine in the fps section, for 10 year old hardware :D The biggest downsides for me are pop in and loading
A machine with 512mb ram compared to something with a 8GB ram....yet x360 has better physics >> 1:40 I hope m$ can make a true successor to x360 someday....this vcr called XBO just sucks.
+az4u What?! What are you trying to pull here? It's exactly the same, not to mention that it is a scripted sequence that has almost nothing to do with actual in game physics.
+az4u how does it have better physics? 2. I like how you ponies are making a big deal over minor differences when the X1 has noticeably better graphics.
Bought the game on Xbox 360 when it released because I was interested in how it would look and perform. Honest opinion? I am very satisfied! Great game with great looks and performance on the aging console. But my question to anyone who bought it... is the Season Pass worth it, content-wise?
xbox 360 user here. i have completed this game and i just want to let you all know that there is a specific problem with the old gen versuon not mentioned here.bit seems that in many cases and in the final region in particular nixxes chose to turn ambient occlusion off to save performance. in these cases the gap in the graphics between the lse consoles becomes truly apparent. i dont know of its a bug or it switches off intentionally but it ruins the mood.
I'm sorry, but UA-cam makes the 360 version look better than it actually is. I should know considering I've played it. It still a great port, but for the most part it just looks like 2013 reboots graphics. There's tons of aliasing on the 360 version. It doesn't feel as alive compared to Xbox One version.
- mIcKyByRnE - no they aren't, they never said that. They said that it performs and looks just like the 2013 tomb raider, which is surprising because most games coming out for 360/ps3 now look worse than actual games developed with those platforms in mind. Take cod blops3 for example. The 360 version looks WORSE than any other cod game on the 360. They developed it with the current gen consoles in mind, and when it came to porting it to older hardware they just removed so much and released it, no effort went into it.
Unfortunately PS3 does not support FXAA however it does support 2x TSAA which is quite similar to FXAA but it's not widely used on PS3 for some stupid reason
@@pawegeryk898 It has nothing to do with them being lazy coding their games You dumb fuck The only reason why some third party PS3 games looked worse is because they were unfamiliar with the 32-bit cell processor It was a true nightmare towards game developers So all they really did was they made their games first on 360 then copied the game to the PS3 version and lowered the resolution between 480p and 720p meanwhile most third-party 360 games looked so much better because it was much easier to develop games on 360 Which is thanks to directX OS meanwhile PS3 used its own complicated proprietary OS And it was extremely limited to third-party game developers 🤦
It would be interesting if you did a side-by-side comparison of all three of the tomb raider and reboot games in contrast to the improvements or changes to the graphics to the effects directly I think it would make for an interesting video and show some of the technical aspects of some of these passed games in comparison to the upcoming release.
I played gears of war 3 on xbone and the xbone controller is not consistent. when I move with the controller the character moves farther away so I can't play well on xboxone. when I aim and move i always miss my target.
+DigitalFoundry Please start uploading these videos in 4K. Possibly 1080p per screen for those gfx card comparisons you do, that would really help. Also you could upload console comparison videos to youtube in 2K (1080p per screen in split screen). Cheers!
Don't see why it's so amazing that it ported well to 360. It is, after all, essentially the same as the Tomb Raider reboot, same engine etc. (albeit with a few revisions).. And that game ran just fine on 360 and PS3...
This game looks incredible on 360, all things considered. When last-gen consoles can still produce these images, it makes me wonder if the current gen couldve waited a few years before coming out.
Honestly, this is why Nintendo thought they could bet on the Wii U's Xbox 360+ level hardware. With work, almost all current gen titles could function well on the Wii U, just as this ambitious current gen title functions well on Xbox 360. What they did not count on was that gamers would move so quickly to the new hardware and their own abysmal marketing and sluggish game release calendar would make their platform unattractive. Finally, the Wii U severally lacked a competent online system at launch, which is a deal breaker for many third party games.
It looks utterly amazing for running on something as old as an Xbox 360. The input lag issue BLOWS my mind. What a horrible situation. Do you want it to look good but not play well, or know full well that the visuals are hindered but feel good? I'd rather have controls but I hate the idea of knowing a better visual experience is out there.
Wow I am actually impressed how good rise of the tomb raider actually looks on Xbox 360 I have no idea why I never bothered pre-ordering tomb raider 2013 or rise of the tomb raider for the 360 instead I own the entire tomb raider reboot trilogy for Xbox One and PS4 for my first playthrough then I finally upgraded to the Series X and PS5 I decided to do a second playthrough and the difference is seriously massive not only they look better but they perform better at a locked 60 FPS 😍 but I still want to play the 360 version of tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider it's pretty freaking stupid rise of the tomb raider is not on PS3 considering tomb raider 2013 is available on PS3 freaking damn Microsoft spent so much money in order to keep rise of the tomb raider 360 exclusive.
@@thefinalroman I'm already aware of that but that has nothing to do with why rise of the tomb raider was never released on PS3 because it was Microsoft that was willing to spend so much unnecessary amount of money to make rise of the tomb raider Xbox 360 as a timed exclusive and because of that PS3 players were left with tomb raider 2013 and never had the chance to experience rise of the tomb raider and most of them refused to buy a Xbox 360 console just to play rise of the tomb raider this is why I do not stick to one platform I am and always will be a multiplatform gamer so I was able to enjoy rise of the tomb raider on 360 and I had an absolute blast square enix was an A-hole for taking up that deal 🤝 and completely screwed PS3 players who owned tomb raider 2013 they were forced to wait for the PS4 version to be released so Crystal Dynamics wanted to make up for abandoning PS3 players so they added some extra features on rise of the tomb raider definitive edition on PS4 it came with every DLC ever released Plus exclusive missions exclusive content and PSVR missions it was The ultimate Way of square enix apologizing to PS3 players who were left out in the dust
@@thefinalroman You're right That is true The 360 version of rise of the tomb raider only got one DLC But on PC they pretty much received every DLC ever released since 2013 same thing happened with tomb raider 2013 on 360 and PS3 They had very few DLC meanwhile on PC they got everything else So in reality Crystal Dynamics kind of screwed 360 and PS3 owners But I seriously doubt 360 and PS3 owners even cared about the DLC the main story had plenty of content to keep yourself entertained for several days It took me a while to finish tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider on 360 I had fun however I believe it's because they couldn't make it work on 360 or PS3 due to the limited power of the 360/ PS3 GPU but when Xbox One / PS4 was released in 2013 they were able to put every DLC in one package which we all know it as the definitive edition from the PC version and they were able to massively improve the graphics on Xbox One / PS4 with Ultra photo realistic graphics I was seriously impressed with their technical achievement It's even better on the Series XS and PS5 tomb raider 2013 runs at 1080p 60 on both Series XS and PS5 rise of the tomb raider runs at 4K 60 on Series X and PS5 the Series S version runs at 1080p 60 Shadow of the tomb raider is also 4K60 on Series X and PS5 But on Series S it's 1080p60 So I'd say Crystal Dynamics did a masterful job 😍👍
Is it me or that 360 version look better? we talk about 10 years between xbox 360 and xbox one and you don't notice such a big different if you talk about graphic!
I think you might need to update the controller firmware.. it needs to be done manually. There is a bit of input lag but I haven't really noticed it until you pointed it out. I understand why you demonstrated it at 1/4 time but you should have done a test at normal speed as well.
+NYGamer Seriously, don't listen to Digital Foundry. I have the 360 version and it pretty much the same as the 2013 graphics, but Lara just looks better. It has really bad frame rate issues anytime, anywhere. It's a great port, but the difference is significant.
*I played the game on 360 and it was FANTASTIC! Incredible sequel where I spent 50-60 hours on it easy.* *A technical bug even allowed me to download the dlc (Baba Yaga was the best one) and 4 outfits for the best price of FREE just like the game itself as it was a loan from my local library! I was such a lucky and spoiled gamer.*
I must say i am impressed with the 360 version of the game! But it makes the question, did the developers make the game with limitations from last gen? I think so...
I found this video very helpful with deciding whether I would wait for ps4 or just buy the 360 version. 360 seems completely fine for what I'm looking for. Thanks DF.
+Vincenzo Tassone (MasterVideoGamers) yes that's why we had to pay like € 499 when it was released. We only paid € 399. They saved on CPU cost i guess instead putting a decent cpu that would last an other 5 year. But hey they thought gamers won't pay this much so lets give some hardware that is a little better than the previous. The sales weren't good when ps3 was released for the price of €599 while xbox360 only €499. That's why MS did better. Later PS3 did get the pricecut. So I guess they didn't want to re-experience the same thing so that's why we got a cheaper console which will only last like few years. A big difference. I'd say blame the gamers for demanding lower prices for a console and voila we got what we wanted
+mrdarku80 exactly! You know i wouldn't mind to pay a bit more, but this gen of consoles is a turn off. I'll stick to PC gaming while I wait for a proper next gen console. And lets be honest a lot of games aren't even worth to get the console. In the past I just had to get the console, but now no need
A console at the end of its life cycle will always be my choice. There's something about playing a well optimised game in last gen ,like you feel not a single CPU cycle goes to waste. Very satisfying.
I'm enjoying the hell out of this on X1, but the game does not look good in big open areas. The Soviet Instillation looked jagged and terrible, but inside tombs it looks amazing. That's the only part I want to play anyways is inside of the tombs.
@@ChrisRaptisMGS_Greece PS3 is very powerful, maybe even more than X360, it could have done this game perfectly. It was hard to program for because of the weird architecture and some ports don't run smoothly because the programmers used only the main CPU and didn't know how to use the rest of the resources, but a capable team that knows how to extract 100% of the power of the system, can don wonders with it.
Wow amazing port! How can the 360 have better texture filtering running on such old hardware? I know it's at half the resolution but The GPU must be under incredible stress given the general image quality and yet it manages to filter textures better than the current gen consoles. given the previous cross platform games I'm not expecting better filtering on ps4 at all. (Ps4/pc owner here)
![[4K] Rise of the Tomb Raider: Complete PS4 Pro Tech Analysis](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UerFogW1m-0/mqdefault.jpg)
To be fair it looks like one of the best looking Xbox 360 games I have ever seen! Bloody incredible for such an old system, unlike BO3 which on last gen looks worse than the original Black Ops.
.. and runs with half the framerate of Black Ops 1
The reason why Black ops 3 on Xbox 360 and PS3 looks so horribly bad because it was never made for the 360 and PS3 it was supposed to be made for Xbox One and PS4 but Activision decided to be extremely greedy and hire high Moon studios to make a 360 and PS3 version they had to strip so many features and dropped the resolution all the way down to 480p and upscaled 1080p it was the worst looking game I ever seen but as bad as it looked I actually enjoyed the online multiplayer and online zombies that's about it the frame rate is pretty stable but it can drop all the way down to 30 FPS if there is a lot of shit going on in front of you lol but after I maxed out at level 50 I never played Black ops 3 360 and PS3 version ever again it was fun while it lasted
How the fuck do they manage to get that much from the 7th gen consoles ?!
hard work and dedication
That's why it makes me laugh when people claim PS4 is already maxed out. Compare a 360 launch to 2 year old game...to Rise of Tomb on 360 and it's very clear how much these fixed consoles can muster.
We haven't seen the best of PS4. Games like Detroit: Become Human is showing the potential of PS4, but even that will be surpassed down the line by the last titles that will be developed for PS4.
When God of War 4 is revealed, it will be the most technically, beautiful console game (and even including PC) to date. Watch. It will be like...HOLY CRAP, "I didn't know the PS4 was THIS powerful."
+Abdelhakim Nouri (Neozander) Optimization Likely.
+Abdelhakim Nouri (Neozander) I know right! Seriously huge props to Nixxes being able to do this. Makes Black Ops 3's port look like a complete joke.
+Abdelhakim Nouri (Neozander) it looked about the same with Tomb Raider 2013, it's because unlike with Call of Duty, they got a good developer to make it.
As an Xbox 360 game this doesn't actually look that bad!
For me the 360 version looks better yeah its more "cartoony" but it looks more like Tomb Raider
+Madnam best graphic on the X360 maybe
+CodeNameZ bro its 720p, low res textures, no volumetric light, low res shadow, low geometric details, less foliage and detais in general on x360. Explain to me how it look better for you. Im curious.
ivo I already say it, it looks more like a Tomb Raider game, when I see the colors in the 360 version it just says Tomb Raider to me.
While the X1 version yeah in theory looks better I just dont have that Tomb Raider feel while seeing the X1 version
CodeNameZ you da real mvp man :P
The last proper last-gen port. By the time this was released I think the Xbox 360 had just turned ten years old. The PS3 and Xbox 360 era was so much better than the current generation mess that we have now.
By watching this video I was thinking "Why not having this game on Nintendo Switch?" It make perfect sense to port the X360 version with some improvement to the Nintendo Switch.
@@mrsupergt1You’ll still be able to buy the physical version. And if I remember correctly, if you buy backwards compatible games, you can download them onto your 360.
@@mrsupergt1😭😭😭
Xbox One version is clearly better, but the 360 version is still very impressive considering how old the hardware is.
The system that launched with Perfect Dark Zero can also produce RotTR
The 360 version still gives the similar overall experience.
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@@8304u You waited 4 years to make that reply? I didn't even remember this comment.
@@Jenkins1155 i doubt he actually waited 4 years
That's actually very impressive that the game looks that good on 360.
Edit: LOL NO INPUT LAG ON 360!!
10 years old hardware running such an intensive game! Wow
This is amazing. The 360 is 2005. No pc lasts that long or could look this good on 10 year old system. Game is beautiful on Xbox one and the fact it looks that good on 360 is just stunning.
R.I.P Xbox 360 July 29 2024......Because of the Xbox 360 a lot of PC owners benefited for a long time because of optimizing for a 2005 console with only 512 MB of memory and so PC owners although they called consoles peasants it was the console's game development that were actually PC Master Race's unsung heroes....Nowadays developers don't care about memory management they just load everything at once with very little or poor assets and texture streaming and large Hard Drive storage requirements.....
Yes, the hardware in the 360 is 10 years old but you have to remember, the hardware in the XB1 and even the PS4 is, for the most part, from 2010 and 2011. They weren't the bleeding edge when they released and the hardware choices they went with weren't top notch even when that hardware released for PC. The GPU's in both the XB1 and PS4 are weaker then a GTX 680. The CPU's in both the XB1 and PS4 are weaker then all i7's, all i5's, and even all i3's. Again, I'm not saying they're bad systems but they aren't sporting hardware that's industry leading and they were dated by several years at launch (kind of like Wii U just not as bad).
This is unlike 360 and PS3 which actually were the bleeding edge during that time. Heck, getting a computer with an Intel dual core CPU back then was pretty hot stuff back then. Both 360 and PS3 were sporting high end Power PC CPU's with more cores then industry leading computers and had GPU's in them that were the bleeding edge for the time.
Very impressive port. The visual difference between the versions reminds me more of the Gamecube and PS2 releases of Resident Evil 4 rather than a generational leap.
Wow John sounds so young in this video. Time sure flies.
Thanks for this video! My team and I worked very hard on it back in the day. I was part of "Team Amnesia", a team dedicated to reducing memory footprint for the downport. I was also in charge of redesigning the hunting system and emulating trigger rumble. I also did a lot of bug hunting for XR certification.
What an incredible achievement this port is!! Despite Its visual cutbacks, It's easily one of the most impressive games on 360. You guys did the impossible. 🙏
and what are you working on now?
Thank you for the hard work!
Gotta admit it's really impressive !
+Demonicide03 true i must admit it really is nice.
How the HECK did they manage to make this game run on a 360?
I just finished this game on Xbox 360. Some scenes are absolutely breathtaking for the hardware, yet other scenes look like an early 6th gen game.
at least this looks like a proper port. black ops3 looks half arsed comparatively.
Ethan Sequeira uff you idiot the xbox one version is port... Idiot...
@@thecolossaltitan1092 Only an idiot would comment on something 3 years late and still be completely wrong.
nixxes. the guys worked on the 360 and PS4 versions of the game. no input lag.
crystal dynamics. worked on the xbone ver. has input freaking lag to this day. wow mate
a very detailed and descriptive video
That's a very well optimized game...
John's voice has really changed
I have just completed this game on my Xbox 360 and this game looks absolutely stunning!!!!!! I have just witnessed a great Xbox 360 game after such along time
it's on the 360?!?!
comes as a shocker right
Tchitchouan Inouane it does!
LE0NSKA
i know right
the 360 truly held it's time
I love these tech breakdowns. Please keep making content like this!
Wow, John sounds so different to 2024 John. He sounds so much younger here and with a more pronounced American accent.
The fact that some assets are actually better on the 360 is absolutely pathetic. Xbone is fail
Yeah i agree with you there mate.
+AlbostyleG I had actually written this comment before I finished the video, omg that input lag. I'm waiting on the Pc version myself but hopefully people on PS4 get these issues fixed.
+necropig no assets are better, just gone. except AF but the new consoles suck at it, xbox struggles with it and ps4 barely ever has it. it's weird.
Squidel AT I've read about that aye, odd.
+necropig Oh, and don't forget lower input latency on X360, making the X360 version perhaps the definite version to actually play.
MGSV last gen port is remarquable too
+PЯOFESSOR But it's performance suffers much more than the 360 version of this game.
Murphdawg1 gaming hum whatever, tomb raider isn't open world
brilliant port to 360 by the looks of it. still life in the old dog
Wow! I was thinking of waiting for the PC version, but it might be worth moving my Xbox 360 to my desk and getting the 360 version!
I have only just got the PS4 version and even before seeing this comparison I didn't think the next gen Tomb Raider was that much of a step up graphically from the last one I played on the PS3. The lighting is the biggest thing and the rest extremely minor graphical improvements. When you consider one version is running on a so say next generation hardware the differences are laughable really.
This was the last GOOD game on the 360 to be honest......... And considering how old it is, STILL holds up to the 10 times better XO1
Nearly 10 years have passed and this 360 game looks better than a lot of modern games do today
Runs at more acceptable resolution too lol. Alone in the Dark runs at 454p as a lower bound on Series S, damn crazy.
Impressive work by Nixxes and a nice swan song for Xbox 360 almost ten years after Tomb Raider: Legend launched on the console. It was really ahead of its time in 2005.
Sooo the 360 plays better because Xboxone controller lag latency
So basically this game was held back and not developed to it's full potential so it could run decent on the Xbox 360 or the X1 is really not that big of a leap over the 360 no way this game should be that close in comparison in MY OPINION
+therealhard8times so true. Its hard to tell the difference and they both run at the same frame rate.
+therealhard8times If a previous gen game is not optimized, people complain. When it is very well optimized, people complain. Really no way to satisfy the gaming community eh? And yea I know its just your opinion but still...
they are even running on different engines to Not be Held back but whatever you want to hear hard8
+therealhard8times It's not held back on Xbox One. A different team done a great port for the Xbox 360.
This game is arguably one of the best looking games on PS4 and Xbox One. I'm a fan of your channel but I think you've got this wrong. A separate team ported it over to 360. The Xbox One version looks far superior.
The input lag may be an engine problem as the original 2013 tomb raider also have a heavy input lag. The problem is solved when you play at 60 fps on PC but consoles are stuck with it... PC version actually have more input lag at 30 fps than consoles btw.
In the final parts of the adventure or in secondary areas the care to detailis is very lacking, the rendering distance of the objects is very evident and objects lose details a few meters away, but the framerate remains stable at 30 FPS. I wonder if they could sacrifice a few frames for better graphic detail. Overall the 2013 chapter is visually richer and more refined, even if it presents extremely rough character models.
1:30 wow they couldn't even be bothered to actually keep the rocks solid? if rocks fell through the floor like those then people in earthquake bound regions would have survival rates through the roof.
Psx , Snes , Gameboy and Xbox 360 are the best maxed out consoles in history , developers made amazing things when they were on their last breath.
i just completed the 360 version and the only problem i had was some areas wouldn't load correctly like the geo vally and lara would sometimes not use her glow sticks correctly , other than that its an amazing game on 360 and a cheaper alternative
Having previously played the PS4 and PC versions of this game i recently picked up a copy on 360 which i am currently playing. Im really impressed with how it looks and plays.
2:45 Check them lamps on the right, I prefer the XO in this case, but prefer the carpet in 360
I will grab this in the 360 store, on the last supersale round ever.
The 360 store is closing down 😕
This really shows how ridiculously talented Nixxes are.
They ported Tomb Raider and Human Revolution to PC both of which were easily the best versions of their respective games and didn't feel like ports at all. And now they port Rise of the Tomb Raider to weaker hardware for once and still manage to improve on it in some ways.
I wish other games' ports like Batman Arkham Knight's PC version would have been outsourced to Nixxes too.
They are still doing a great job with their recent PC ports. Truly one of the most talented studio out there.
This is how you make a port of a current gen game to an old gen console.
Well. This is where consoles win big time. You just put in the game and play. On a TEN YEAR OLD hardware. And it is still absolutely playable.
Please don't reply that you can do it on PC... because you can't. It wont even load on a 2005 system. (Remember for example 1GB of RAM was very awesome back than.)
So what? Nobody playing on PC keep it with 10 years old hardware, oh and yeah how much 360 did you pay since it's on the market? Every friends i know had to get at least 2 or 3 360 because if you were playing all day after 4 years or so it was dead
Lol yes you can play on really old hardware. And I agree about the multiple consoles. Went through 3 PS3 during the generation. I prefer PC to consoles. My hardware in my PC right now could last for years, but I choose to upgrade it often. That flexibility helps a lot.
+Péter Sági they would had to make DirectX 9 version of the game so it could run on 2005 PCs. But why, when less than 1% people who would buy this game have 10 years old PC. And there are no optimized drivers for 10 year GPUs - again, because no one uses 2005 PC anymore. Current $100 laptops are faster than that.
+wooooowwe1 I can see your point, but I never bought more than 1 PS3, which I still play to this day. (If you want to consider hardware amortization, its also a factor on PC) Also: I live in an Eastern-EU country where most people can't afford to spend more than a few hundred bucks for 5-6 years in gaming. But I would probably choose console anyway because of the killer price/perfmance/lifespan ratio and exklusives.
XO is a console? I swear my old TMNT movie cassettes worked on it last time I checked
This also shows another thing - that the dx9/10 pc hardware was retired before its time.
As for the game itself, rise of the tomb raider is definitely the best tr game, and the lara model itself is made better than in the newer continuation of the franchise.
Im stunned at how good it looks on 360
Could you do a ps3/360 evil within video? It would certainly be interesting :) Those version may have worse graphics, but the game is fully intact, and i can say that the ps3 version works absolutely fine in the fps section, for 10 year old hardware :D The biggest downsides for me are pop in and loading
Seriously impressive with crystal dynamics for making the game on the 360! 10 years is ancient for hardware age
Wow, I'm impressed. Good job Nixxes. More reason too sue WB for Shadow of Mordor on 360 and PS3.
A machine with 512mb ram compared to something with a 8GB ram....yet x360 has better physics >> 1:40
I hope m$ can make a true successor to x360 someday....this vcr called XBO just sucks.
+az4u
What?!
What are you trying to pull here? It's exactly the same, not to mention that it is a scripted sequence that has almost nothing to do with actual in game physics.
+rottie55 You dont need to own one to know that XD
the games dont use the whole 8gigs. half of that is reserved for other parts of the console.
+az4u how does it have better physics? 2. I like how you ponies are making a big deal over minor differences when the X1 has noticeably better graphics.
yeah the hair reacted more realistically on the x360
Bought the game on Xbox 360 when it released because I was interested in how it would look and perform. Honest opinion? I am very satisfied! Great game with great looks and performance on the aging console. But my question to anyone who bought it... is the Season Pass worth it, content-wise?
It really does show that the XBOX ONE and PS4 graphical leap from last gen isn't that big, as it was from sixth to seventh generations.
xbox 360 user here. i have completed this game and i just want to let you all know that there is a specific problem with the old gen versuon not mentioned here.bit seems that in many cases and in the final region in particular nixxes chose to turn ambient occlusion off to save performance. in these cases the gap in the graphics between the lse consoles becomes truly apparent. i dont know of its a bug or it switches off intentionally but it ruins the mood.
Hope they can fix the input lag issue in the PC/PS4 ports.
Xbox 360 version looks awesome still. Considering the tech and how old it is!
I'm sorry, but UA-cam makes the 360 version look better than it actually is. I should know considering I've played it. It still a great port, but for the most part it just looks like 2013 reboots graphics. There's tons of aliasing on the 360 version. It doesn't feel as alive compared to Xbox One version.
The frame rate drops, all the time. Anytime, anywhere.
+- mIcKyByRnE - isn't that what the video said? it looks like the 2013 version, with a similar framerate.
Xerazal These motherfuckers are making it out like the 360 version is better.
- mIcKyByRnE - no they aren't, they never said that. They said that it performs and looks just like the 2013 tomb raider, which is surprising because most games coming out for 360/ps3 now look worse than actual games developed with those platforms in mind. Take cod blops3 for example. The 360 version looks WORSE than any other cod game on the 360. They developed it with the current gen consoles in mind, and when it came to porting it to older hardware they just removed so much and released it, no effort went into it.
Xerazal Did they or did they not point out things that are supposedly better on the 360 version? Yes.
I'm picking up my 360 copy on Monday! Can't wait!
The 360 got an update, that made it run a little better, & wind was added. I think it's been awhile.
Cant believe they managed to run this on 360. Wow!
I'm surprised/shocked that the old 360 version looks as good as it does.
It looks fantastic for the 360. I own a Playstation 4 and have pre-ordered this game, but I can't deny how good it looks on XO and X360!
dude, play it on the 360...
its almost unplayble on PS4,Bad bad port!
watch?v=QOuEE03DYzY
0:22 this is xbox 360?
X360 afterlife: lets use 720P and little of FXAA
PS3: what is FXAA?
Unfortunately PS3 does not support FXAA however it does support 2x TSAA which is quite similar to FXAA but it's not widely used on PS3 for some stupid reason
@@HeyCMDR1991YT coding laziness,wvery multiplatform looked worse than 360
@@pawegeryk898 It has nothing to do with them being lazy coding their games You dumb fuck The only reason why some third party PS3 games looked worse is because they were unfamiliar with the 32-bit cell processor It was a true nightmare towards game developers So all they really did was they made their games first on 360 then copied the game to the PS3 version and lowered the resolution between 480p and 720p meanwhile most third-party 360 games looked so much better because it was much easier to develop games on 360 Which is thanks to directX OS meanwhile PS3 used its own complicated proprietary OS And it was extremely limited to third-party game developers 🤦
It would be interesting if you did a side-by-side comparison of all three of the tomb raider and reboot games in contrast to the improvements or changes to the graphics to the effects directly I think it would make for an interesting video and show some of the technical aspects of some of these passed games in comparison to the upcoming release.
man, what a shame it is, that the x1 version does not have a temporal AA solution.
I played gears of war 3 on xbone and the xbone controller is not consistent. when I move with the controller the character moves farther away so I can't play well on xboxone. when I aim and move i always miss my target.
+DigitalFoundry
Please start uploading these videos in 4K. Possibly 1080p per screen for those gfx card comparisons you do, that would really help.
Also you could upload console comparison videos to youtube in 2K (1080p per screen in split screen).
Cheers!
Don't see why it's so amazing that it ported well to 360. It is, after all, essentially the same as the Tomb Raider reboot, same engine etc. (albeit with a few revisions).. And that game ran just fine on 360 and PS3...
So would a port like this be possible on Switch?
This game looks incredible on 360, all things considered. When last-gen consoles can still produce these images, it makes me wonder if the current gen couldve waited a few years before coming out.
Honestly, this is why Nintendo thought they could bet on the Wii U's Xbox 360+ level hardware. With work, almost all current gen titles could function well on the Wii U, just as this ambitious current gen title functions well on Xbox 360. What they did not count on was that gamers would move so quickly to the new hardware and their own abysmal marketing and sluggish game release calendar would make their platform unattractive. Finally, the Wii U severally lacked a competent online system at launch, which is a deal breaker for many third party games.
It looks utterly amazing for running on something as old as an Xbox 360. The input lag issue BLOWS my mind. What a horrible situation. Do you want it to look good but not play well, or know full well that the visuals are hindered but feel good? I'd rather have controls but I hate the idea of knowing a better visual experience is out there.
I think it is time to revisit this comparison and put it along the other newer TR games
Wow I am actually impressed how good rise of the tomb raider actually looks on Xbox 360 I have no idea why I never bothered pre-ordering tomb raider 2013 or rise of the tomb raider for the 360 instead I own the entire tomb raider reboot trilogy for Xbox One and PS4 for my first playthrough then I finally upgraded to the Series X and PS5 I decided to do a second playthrough and the difference is seriously massive not only they look better but they perform better at a locked 60 FPS 😍 but I still want to play the 360 version of tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider it's pretty freaking stupid rise of the tomb raider is not on PS3 considering tomb raider 2013 is available on PS3 freaking damn Microsoft spent so much money in order to keep rise of the tomb raider 360 exclusive.
Sony dumped the Ps3 in 2014
@@thefinalroman I'm already aware of that but that has nothing to do with why rise of the tomb raider was never released on PS3 because it was Microsoft that was willing to spend so much unnecessary amount of money to make rise of the tomb raider Xbox 360 as a timed exclusive and because of that PS3 players were left with tomb raider 2013 and never had the chance to experience rise of the tomb raider and most of them refused to buy a Xbox 360 console just to play rise of the tomb raider this is why I do not stick to one platform I am and always will be a multiplatform gamer so I was able to enjoy rise of the tomb raider on 360 and I had an absolute blast square enix was an A-hole for taking up that deal 🤝 and completely screwed PS3 players who owned tomb raider 2013 they were forced to wait for the PS4 version to be released so Crystal Dynamics wanted to make up for abandoning PS3 players so they added some extra features on rise of the tomb raider definitive edition on PS4 it came with every DLC ever released Plus exclusive missions exclusive content and PSVR missions it was The ultimate Way of square enix apologizing to PS3 players who were left out in the dust
@@HeyCMDR1991YT Xbox 360 also got screwed. The Cold Darkness DLC was the only one they put on 360. Everything else was Pc or Next gen.
@@thefinalroman You're right That is true The 360 version of rise of the tomb raider only got one DLC But on PC they pretty much received every DLC ever released since 2013 same thing happened with tomb raider 2013 on 360 and PS3 They had very few DLC meanwhile on PC they got everything else So in reality Crystal Dynamics kind of screwed 360 and PS3 owners But I seriously doubt 360 and PS3 owners even cared about the DLC the main story had plenty of content to keep yourself entertained for several days It took me a while to finish tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider on 360 I had fun however I believe it's because they couldn't make it work on 360 or PS3 due to the limited power of the 360/ PS3 GPU but when Xbox One / PS4 was released in 2013 they were able to put every DLC in one package which we all know it as the definitive edition from the PC version and they were able to massively improve the graphics on Xbox One / PS4 with Ultra photo realistic graphics I was seriously impressed with their technical achievement It's even better on the Series XS and PS5 tomb raider 2013 runs at 1080p 60 on both Series XS and PS5 rise of the tomb raider runs at 4K 60 on Series X and PS5 the Series S version runs at 1080p 60 Shadow of the tomb raider is also 4K60 on Series X and PS5 But on Series S it's 1080p60 So I'd say Crystal Dynamics did a masterful job 😍👍
This port needs more talking about, what a bunch of wizards.
Is it me or that 360 version look better? we talk about 10 years between xbox 360 and xbox one and you don't notice such a big different if you talk about graphic!
I can see that they've put a lot of effort to make it look amazing on both consoles. Great job! It's my favorite game of the year. :)
Xbox 360 will always be the best console ever!!!
I think you might need to update the controller firmware.. it needs to be done manually. There is a bit of input lag but I haven't really noticed it until you pointed it out. I understand why you demonstrated it at 1/4 time but you should have done a test at normal speed as well.
***** It's there but it's minor.
+NYGamer
Seriously, don't listen to Digital Foundry. I have the 360 version and it pretty much the same as the 2013 graphics, but Lara just looks better. It has really bad frame rate issues anytime, anywhere. It's a great port, but the difference is significant.
Still shows that the graphical jump from 7th to 8th gen was not a huge one.
This proves that the 7th gen consoles are much better than today's consoles.
+Ariel Jersey Jr Amen, more games, more originality, that's why I'll never get rid of it. :)
@Ariel
Come here Umaru-Chan! >:)
Nick Motsarsky I doubt the world will last that long lol. We'll see I guess :-)
***** Lmao. xD
This is Illya btw just in a Umaru hoodie.
Ariel Jersey Jr
Lol I got it all wrong xDD
My gawd, I thought it was UMR all along.
I completed this on Xbox One and truly had no problems with the input "lag".. It in no way effects your gameplay experience.
Update controller fixes inputlag. DigitalFoundry TROLL!
*I played the game on 360 and it was FANTASTIC! Incredible sequel where I spent 50-60 hours on it easy.*
*A technical bug even allowed me to download the dlc (Baba Yaga was the best one) and 4 outfits for the best price of FREE just like the game itself as it was a loan from my local library! I was such a lucky and spoiled gamer.*
+DigitalFoundry I think it would have been better if you had included some normal speed gameplay footage
I must say i am impressed with the 360 version of the game!
But it makes the question, did the developers make the game with limitations from last gen? I think so...
Very nice, its like playing the game at low settings on pc, keeping the overall feeling intact
The XO version just makes me more excited for the PC version! :D
Excellent break down of the differences between the two. Thanks for the info.
I found this video very helpful with deciding whether I would wait for ps4 or just buy the 360 version. 360 seems completely fine for what I'm looking for. Thanks DF.
Xbox 360 is better? After 10 years, ps3 and Xbox 360 are good console yet
no wonder the 7th gen lasted so long
amazing machines
+Vincenzo Tassone (MasterVideoGamers) yes that's why we had to pay like € 499 when it was released. We only paid € 399. They saved on CPU cost i guess instead putting a decent cpu that would last an other 5 year. But hey they thought gamers won't pay this much so lets give some hardware that is a little better than the previous. The sales weren't good when ps3 was released for the price of €599 while xbox360 only €499. That's why MS did better. Later PS3 did get the pricecut. So I guess they didn't want to re-experience the same thing so that's why we got a cheaper console which will only last like few years. A big difference. I'd say blame the gamers for demanding lower prices for a console and voila we got what we wanted
+mrdarku80 exactly! You know i wouldn't mind to pay a bit more, but this gen of consoles is a turn off. I'll stick to PC gaming while I wait for a proper next gen console. And lets be honest a lot of games aren't even worth to get the console. In the past I just had to get the console, but now no need
PS3? That was a POS.
A console at the end of its life cycle will always be my choice. There's something about playing a well optimised game in last gen ,like you feel not a single CPU cycle goes to waste. Very satisfying.
I'm enjoying the hell out of this on X1, but the game does not look good in big open areas. The Soviet Instillation looked jagged and terrible, but inside tombs it looks amazing. That's the only part I want to play anyways is inside of the tombs.
Input lag is so atrocious, looks like Xbone can't handle this game.
It's already been patched
+MadBurrito x Hi shit head welcome back
123doomdoom Oh you again, i remember how hard you got rekt last couple of times, wanna get retk again, peasant boy?
I'm pissed off it didn't come out on PS3.
Horrible system
@@ChrisRaptisMGS_Greece PS3 is very powerful, maybe even more than X360, it could have done this game perfectly.
It was hard to program for because of the weird architecture and some ports don't run smoothly because the programmers used only the main CPU and didn't know how to use the rest of the resources, but a capable team that knows how to extract 100% of the power of the system, can don wonders with it.
Wow amazing port! How can the 360 have better texture filtering running on such old hardware? I know it's at half the resolution but The GPU must be under incredible stress given the general image quality and yet it manages to filter textures better than the current gen consoles.
given the previous cross platform games I'm not expecting better filtering on ps4 at all. (Ps4/pc owner here)
It doesn't. It's the lighting. These digitalfoundry dicks have no idea what they're talking about.
Conclusion: If you want next gen gaming at 1080p/1440p/4k, get a PC; these consoles don't cut it.
so banding problem depend on software not monitor or tv set ?
7:25 Can anyone check if this is true?
Yes there is a higher input delay on Xbox one.