Shadow of the Tomb Raider PC Analysis + Full Xbox One X Comparisons!
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- Join Alex for a detailed breakdown of the PC version of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, complete with Xbox One X comparisons - plus some RTX action! The latest Nixxes port looks great, with DX12 utilisation a particular highlight.
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This game is really underrated, if you're a Tomb Raider fan don't listen to the haters.
I just put a few hours in and I cant stop playing. Granted it doesnt throw as much action as the previous two in the beginning but I like it as it's a slow build up.
@@jetgeo4 is the game very glitchy as some say. I do not mind minor glitches.
K9 Poodle, I didnt experience any yet. I'm playing on the one x if that makes any difference.
wait this new saga of tomb raider have hater lol
Give this person a medal.
5:09 Smaller frogs? Downgrade confirmed.
Lets call it a joke, mind you, I didn't know about the shadows on smaller objects being more difficult to do and like the video said, it seems like it was delibarate to show that.
Small frogs do exist ya know. 🐸
Frogs lives matter!!
Yo that's one big ass frog.
downsize *
Crystal Dynamics sneaking in a hint at the next game "Frog of the Tomb Raider". Where you play as Froggy Croft, loyal pet trying to locate Lara who has gone missing in Madagascar. which will introduce nvidia Frog tracing, and tessellated skin surface frogworks.
Lmao
^ This.
It's the prequel of Sonic Adventure
thats what makes it next level, tinfoil hat Crystal Dynamic paid off Nixxes to shrink the frogs in Eidos Motreals game as a sick prank / easter egg teaser for their next game.
Can't wait to play that game on my new RTX card
with RTX disabled
😆
Why not get a 1080Ti and save a chunk of cash then?
So, you have payed 1500$ for possibility to transform your graphic card into 1000$ card with one click?
The RTX cards are still a lot stronger without the ray tracing enabled. Plus its future proofing your setup. The 10 series is two years old.
Nobody knows the performance of these new cards yet, including you.
Better frog shadows? Take my money.
Love you all at Digital Foundry! Thanks for such details!
But my GPU can't withstand Lara's intense hotness.
Touch grass bruh. She ain't even that hot. The reboot made her average. So did the movies.
The fact that the XB1X version looks damn close to the PC version is Very Impressive.
So directX 12 is great, Just need more dedication from devs, also the improvements over consoles are great!
Shame vulkan doesnt get this kind of dedication
Yea DX12 it was a greatly implemented 👍 plus the console's are on normal setting I think the pc version goes to high/very high/ultra after that it's quite a gap.
agreed. Vulkan is the real way to go. Doom 2016 performance gains in Vulkan API are basically unheard of. Same with Wolfenstein 2.
Great? Multithread support? This is stuff that was done in real computers in 1960is! DirectX is the worst thing that has happened to gaming, Only reason it exists is to force you to use Windows. Windows that is terrible at multithreading and memory handling. (and MSFT can't fix it. They bought NT kernel from Dec. It sucked then and it sucks now. MSFT simply don't want it to work forcing you to upgrade)
@@realshompa Hey, It what we have. And it works. If isn't broken, don't fix it
This is a nice *technica* analysis, as the thumbnail suggest.
Eagle Eye
Was going to comment on that. Does UA-cam allow you to change thumbnails after?
This is a shadow collab with Ars Technica
I was just playing the 2013 game @1440p/ultra and can't believe how nice it still looks. I bet this game's graphics will still be gorgeous in 5 years, too.
@BootherJr
2 games with completely different art and graphical styles/directions. Doesn't automatically mean one is better than the other.
BootherJr I agree the Witcher 3 is pretty but that is irrelevant to my comment.
TR 2013 will still be ok in 5 years
BootherJr wait a game that come out 2 years after Tomb Raider 2013 looks better, call me shocked.
Same and it does look really good :D Although I think the models still have a kind of shiny appearence that has gone in the last few years.
Seriously guys, that video...it's just great. Alex is great, his best performance yet. You've clearly moved on from just giving us a detailed and professional opinion to mixing some entertainment into it. I love it! :) Vielen Dank, Alex.
BTW: Nixxes, they definitely deserve more attention. The first time I remember seeing them was with Mass Effect, they did the port and it was a good port. Every single major game they ported from that point on was excellent!
Geh mal Vega kicken!
new phone, who dis?
Mass Effect was ported to PC by Demiurge, not Nixxes.
Damn...you're right. Now I have to look up their porfolio to see in which game I really noticed them first. -.-*
PS: It was Tomb Raider Underworld. ^^
kann ich dir nur zustimmen. Alex und John höre ich am liebsten zu. generell ein toller channel.
I love this PC analysis, how Alex goes in-depth with all the settings and what they actually do (AA/SSAO especially). Great Job!
That MSAA reveal was glorious.
THEY'RE TURNING THE FREAKIN' FROGS SMALL!
For many, PC is about playing at the highest fidelity. Lately, the PC analysis here at DF has been missing key features that gamers like me care about. Can it hit 4K60? If not how is the frame pacing when locking the FPS to 4K30? Is HDR implemented on PC? How is the quality of HDR? Does the client automatically enable HDR or do you have to toggle the option on in windows to enable HDR? If it does not run at 4K, does it run well on Ultra Wide @3440x1440?
Personally, this is the info I am looking for to determine if I am going to go with PC or Console version of the game. Older DF videos would nail most of these points, and also would use Titan GPUs in addition to general gpus to have most PC tiers covered. It is expected for any modern game to run at ultra settings at 1080p. No real news here.
Hopefully you guys can cover some of the options I mentioned here in the future.
Then you have probleme because he said that in-depth analysis will be on fully WHQL Released Driver.
Zer01neDev he said he will be breaking down performance per setting in his next video. Which he had done in the past. Does Alex have a video where he uses a 4K tv/monitor or ultra wide? If so I must have missed it.
I hope you are right and that he covers the features I mentioned in his next video. I totally get all the work that goes into it for such a niche audience. But to me DF is the ultimate resource for people who want to experience games in the best possible light.
There is no other resource that compares to DF. I just want to still use them to inform me so I can make the right decision when purchasing a game. As it is right now, this video left me in the same place I was before watching it. Unsure.
Alex always do in-depth analysis with "What settings you should use" that why he is better than Richard.
But i like all the staff on DF they do a very great works.
Trust me the new RTX cards will do 4k 60 in this game with no problem... minus the ray tracing feature.
I'm glad I got a PC
cad80 24 Then I take my PC and connect to my TV and sit on my sofa is not that hard.
@cad80 24 how am I a loser for saying I'm glad I got a PC? Grow a pair kid
lmao, you can play PC sitting on a sofa. So clueless.
@cad80 24 What's stopping anyone from playing PC games from their couch? I've been doing it forever.
@cad80 24 I'm also playing my pc sit on my couch 6 feet in front of my 55 sony x900f.... And it look amazing!!
Love how u guys figured out the equivalent settings of Xbox one x, and posted it in the video. Hope you guys keep doing that!
Been playing it on my Xbox One X since Tuesday, really enjoying it :D
Can't wait to play this in ultrawide
Yeah, I just got a new ultra-wide monitor this week and it's a game changer, especially for strategy and RPG titles. I just wish more niche Japanese games like Dragon Quest XI supported it.
yeah they are amazing, Rise of the Tomb Raider was incredible in ultrawide
I can confirm that the games cutscenes and gameplay is fully 21:9 supported
It looks beautiful on my monitor but stutters occur on Dx12 with an i7 3770 which I hope will be improved
Said no console gamer ever!
@Stoopidly Stoned Somehow I get stutters at random moments and heavy FPS drops in Paititi for no reason
It's like loading stutter lag but the game is installed on an ssd and I have the latest nvidia driver
In conclusion: every areas are superior on PC.
yeah pay 1500 dollars to get slightly better shadows that you won't notice anyways
Oh wow genius, we already know that. Its always been the case
and 60 fps
leon floyd or pay $1500 on a PC you use every day for work, other hobbies, playing games at ultra settings or close to it at 60fps and loads of other things than just barely noticing shadows..
If you can afford it PC will always be better even at the start of a console cycle, because by the time the launch the console a newer generation graphic card will be out.
Take a drink every time you hear the word 'shadow'
Great vid and breakdown alex, what would it take to run the game at resolutions higher than 1080p, like 2560x1440 3840x2160 what card would be needed? And settings required to hit 60 fps.
Excellent! Love the inclusion of showing X1X equivalent settings too. Helps a lot.
EDIT: Wish PC also had dynamic resolution and checkerboard rendering options too. At least the addition of dynamic res would have been great.
PC is obviously better, but it's just amazing how much consoles have caught up and closed the gap over the last 5 years.
Seriously, the Xbox looked great here. Makes me wonder if my $2000+ PC was worth it.
Yep. Still it's a logarithmic graph which never converges Xbox to PC
Victor Silk What does that mean? Log doesn't converge true. There is no asymptote, it is an unbounded function, but its rate of increase gets slower and slower. So what's your point? Technology keeps increasing, but at a slower and slower rate? PC tech keeps improving, but console tech falls further and further behind? I don't get the analogy. What is X and Y in this example?
Pc is better but xbox x wins to me for the price of the console!
@@tonyungfat Xbox X is good value for the hardware, but that's about it. PC is more powerful and has almost all the same games and more, and PS4 has better console games.
Looks amazing on a high end PC. I hope you guys enjoy the game as much as I did on Xbox :)
lol its a low/medium spec, its only gtx 1070, not even 1080ti but real high end is rtx2080
omgoat You can't even buy a 2000 series card yet, get off your high horse and let people enjoy games on the hardware they own and can afford.
Considering that the 1070 can run the game @ 60FPS+ on ultra I consider that pretty high end ;)
@@omgoat The 1080ti and the 2080 have almost identical performance. The 1070 is still considered high end, since most people still play at 1080p.
ok blurbox pleb
@@erdincylmaz2842 You're welcome :)
Damn. That backside of her legs and contours of her body though! 🤭
*in alex's voice
She got some nice cakes though lol.
@@JorgeMartinez-dp3im oh I dont see any cake there, I only 2 big Apples xD
dat ass?
Backside of her legs? It's called booty.
Two big compliments to be made here: to Nixxes for making a worthy PC version that embraces the latest PC has to offer instead of dragging it down with lower quality console graphics - and to Alex for making this very detailed and informative video! Thank you to both!
No 4k on this video?
Maybe the ray tracing performance at 4K is terrible.
Ikr. Feels so outdated in this day an age.
Ray tracing isn't in the game yet.
He didn't play at 4k, so it wouldn't make sense. Magnifying glass much use you?
None of his videos are higher than 1080p. Its really frustrating.
Ok. I'm sold. Gonna get this game during the holidays. Thanks for the analysis, DF. You guys do fine work.
Turned shadows down, performance is more important.
Turned off tessellation, want my ground smooth as my framerate.
Performance Master Race.
Smooth ground in a jungle?
@@JayJapanB
Smooth as baby butt.
So is my framerate.
@@AnANas00-x3p or...you can have both
The best in depth analysis DigitalFoundry ever!
Still insane to me how the One X compares with mid/high range PCs. Good for all gamers since this will push the market faster for PC and Console gamers and drive down prices(hopefully)
One X is nowhere near high-end PC's. It's comparable to a mid-end pc at best.
dr. whet farts
Blatant troll is obvious, DF compared it to a 1070.
That Car Guy Well the Xbox One X is only equivalent to a slightly adjusted GTX 1060, besides the GTX 1070 stopped being considered near the high end when the 1080TI released, and with Turing architecture coming Xbox One X gets pushed even further down. Any comparisons with Xbox One X should really stay where it belongs... with PS4 Pro.
ZuneGuy1118
SO many of you blatant trolls to block. A 1060 is nowhere near the X "gpu" they only area its better is clock speeds. Yet memory, bit length, bus length, cpu units, etc are all higher one the One X. The 1070 is still a high end card. Trolls man. Is the 1080 not a high end card with the new 20 series? Of course its still high end, trolls man.
My laptop I use when staying at my bro's, runs everything better than my one x.
It has a 1060 in it (which is 10% lower than the main card) and an i5. So I don't see how my one x is possibly as good as a 1070......when a laptop 1060 is better than it.
And on my main Pc I have a gtx 1070 and an i7-6700k. The 1070 is good. So I agree with you there.
It is a high end card. Why? Well every game I throw at it, hasn't dipped below 60fps on all Ultra settings. Therefore it runs with the best.
Looks great on PC. But I have to say that I'm most impressed with what the Xbox One X is able to deliver here.
Hey, I saw the file name title!
where?
damn you're toxic
VaydaladaVodalada Keep your virginity away from me Thanks
sjw confirmed
@@khaled.aldajani with that hat I'm pretty sure virginity has been following you anyway, fatty
The two things that really stuck out to me from rise to shadow was the quality of the AA and the volumetric lighting. Those combined provided a huge shift towards more cinematic vs gamey graphics. Yeah you do lose some fine detail at a distance but I am fine with that trade off.
This game is ridiculously gorgeous.
Still looks awesome late 2020, only the terrain textures could use a bit more crispnesss. And it runs phenomenally on my overclocked 5700. 75-110 fps on max settings 1440p SMAAT2X
I think it's funny. I rarely play video games anymore, but still find myself watching Digital Foundry videos, just because I'm facscinated by their in depth analysis of games.
Here after a long time,is the comment section as toxic as it was before? Or do we see less people fighting over plastic boxes?
Nothing's changed really. Toxic fanboys still fighting over plastic.
worst.. *dons gasmask*
Actually my PC is mostly steel.
randy johnson
A man who *CAN* spend 2000 plus dollars to play a dumb video game will always get laid.
Jinx I think steel cabinet is not good for the temps
I'll be honest, I didn't like Alex at first. But he's grown on me a lot. He obviously knows his stuff, and I've come to really enjoy his sense of humor. Keep up the fantastic videos!
Great stuff. Looking forward to an analysis once they have their hands on an RTX card.
Great that I can finally see small frogs ingame.
Time to get a RTX 2080.
Shadow Of The Tomb Raider PC V4 H264 ULTRA FINAL*
Video file name?
In conclusion a PC cost twice as much as a plastic box right?
can't wait for Definitive edition on ps5 4k@60fps
@@heisenberg1338 Definitive edition on PS5 still won't have ray tracing though if it's ever released
Great video Digital Foundry will be playing this on PC later tonight.
Wow, the PC version is 🔥🔥🔥
Awesome analysis Alex.
The Arabian But the game...Metacritic 78%-81% :-(
Alex is an ultra high quality boy.
Jack Tyler
Mosh why you're using alts?
No way, you mean to say a $1200+ dollar PC makes the game look a lil better than a $500 console. Wow that’s so coooool OMG
Pwnpie you can probably get a cheap laptop and it will still look good just won’t run as smooth
I think I'll just press the start button & enjoy the game.
Best comment here by far. Just play the damn game n enjoy it. Lol
The PC videos by Alex are easily the most in-depth videos on the site, but I would like to see 4K video like the usual DF console comparison videos are nowadays. The heavy compression of 1080p UA-cam really smudges out all the goodness we're supposed to be looking at here.
Lara Crofts armpits have more shadow on pc 10/10
Love your work DF!!! I'd like you to do a video on HDR PC and the titles that do it well. Also the different types of HDR rather RGB HDR 8-bit or 422 10-bit. Forcing it in Graphic card settings. I think it would make for a good video. Thanks for all of your good content
Technicaaaaa
Wow! This answered all my questions and more about some of the graphics options - thanks for being so in-depth!!!
Loving the pc focused content, DF keep il the good work. Ignore all the infuriated console fanboys playing at sub 30 fps. 👍👍👍😀
Go away troll, this is not a place of hate or fanboys, here we enjoy all platforms equally.
Be absorbed into the molasses of the "cinematic" crowd.....
It'll be roughly 60fps on my Xbox One X on performance mode.
Tasso gamer Actually its 1080p/60fps.
@@Tasso-d2 ?? You know there is literally a One X detailed video already uploaded that makes your comment stupid? Not counting the emojis
I started cracking up once your began to move around and maintained a locked 120fps. Best part, the GPU wasn't even pegged at 99%/100%! Now I must buy game and see how far my hardware will go!
Love this PC focused content. This looks to be an awesome PC port. Cant wait to play it =)
Wonder how well it runs on 4C/4T CPUs in DX12 compared to DX11. CPU benchmarks using this game will be very interesting to see.
PC MASTER-RACE Confirmed again and again :)
Every pc dont have the capabilities of the xbox x tho.... facts!!! I guess you have a graphics card capable of outperforming a xbox x...lol....
Great video, Alex. Informative and fun! Weiter so!
Danke Dir!
-Alex
I still don't get why consoles don't use AFx16. I think the last time I used anything less than that on PC for performance reasons was 15years ago.
Agreed, AF hasn't been a big performance hit in years. No idea why consoles don't go 16x
Same. I can't actually remember how long it's been since I first started using it.
It seems they added anisotropic filter on Xbox one x with the patches. I noticed it immediately. Since this video was done before patch I'm glad they added it :) but yeah, even on the last console generation there was no anisotropic filtering which was a shame given that there's little to no performance impact. Happy to see that the X applies 16x anisotropic filter and 4k in almost every older game now.
Hurray for the PC version!!! Can’t wait to play it. I may even put up some vids too.
Xbox1X is a steal at 499.... this looks great.. especially compared to a much more expensive PC. You lose FPS... but gain not having to mess around in options menus when you thought you had the setting dialed in then it dips horrible in the next level and you have to figure out what settings to cut.
They didn't bother comparing Playstation to PC... interesting.
Because the X is a stronger console. No shit. Mess around in the setting option? Hardly. It has an ingame benchmark.
Chalupa Batman
You might have misunderstood me.
In most games.. especially Fallout 4... I spent a ridiculous amount of time dialing in PC settings. I'd get the game running smoothly at what I thought were settings my PC could handle.. then I go to a new area... like the Commonwealth in Fallout 4... or the various stress test areas of Witcher 3 that DF talks about.. then I have to re-do my settings mid game... annoying. Not the end of the world... but when I see games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider running this well on console... and I have the X1X... I'll just get that version. Save my PC for games that don't run well on console, or ones that play better with mouse and keyboard....
...Then I made a separate observation about Playstation. The 3rd person narrative slash JRPG box.
One more thing.. in game benchmarks are sometimes good. not Always. Gears 4 on PC has a great in-game benchmark... and I was able to overdrive the resolution to my screen with a variable resolution and a locked frame rate. Some games do it great. Not all games are hard to optimize on PC.
The have a profit margin of 28$ lol. That isn't a steal. Only my graphics card cost me like the xbox one x
Xcentr1cK You don't think this is better suited to KB+M? There's a large focus on shooting. I always wonder if I should use a controller in 3rd person action games. With the amount of aiming in Tomb Raider I would probably stick to KB+M, but other games like Witcher 3 or Shadow of Mordor only have a little aiming and seem like a controller would work well. I never end up using one though.
The graphics are amazing. Playing it high to ultra on gtx1060 with 45fps.
The problem I have with all the technological advancements is 90% of the time I never notice any of it while actively playing games. Does this mean the technology is doing it's job? Maybe. I also never stop to look at a wall or shadows while playing a game either. The only thing I do stop for to appreciate is good art design. A games performance however is easily noticed from the get go.
Everything shown off here is cool and interesting but I wouldn't have noticed any of it while playing the game aside from Lara's aliased hair and maybe ray traced shadows.
Realistic games don't age very well.
flipboy420 The point is not to stare at a wall or a tree and look for fine details. It’s the combination of all of these small details is what makes the better picture and image quality. You don’t have to stare at a wall to tell the difference between “normal” and “ultra” settings when you look at the entire picture. You may look at the game and tell one looks better than the other without even looking for small details.
There are a lot of details that you would never notice, but contribute greatly to the sense that something "looks good". Just because it's not noticed doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact, and certainly doesn't mean we can't appreciate it. If what you were saying were true, realistic games a couple years ago would look essential the same as the games of today. That's not true though; you can immediately tell that they look worse "for some reason". That's why all this is interesting - it has an impact (maybe not to the same degree as 10 years ago), and now you can understand how and why.
Alone those shadows, texture filtering and AO doesnt make a big difference but when everything is working together and the game slows down to exploring tombs and caves, even though its only for a few seconds I think, this game looks good.
Your just used to it. Go play on a console for awhile lol
SMAA 4X FTW! I've been doing that in GTA V ever since I upgraded to a GTX 1080 Ti and it's been amazing! I play on a 1920x1080p panel with the in game's resolution scaling set to 2x, effectively rendering that game at 3840x2160 (4K) and down sampling it to fit my monitors resolution. On top of DSR, I have MSAA 2x enabled as well as MFAA enabled/forced through Nvidia's control panel with FXAA to top it all off. The end result is beautiful. Obviously having a native 4K display is going to look much better but DSR's free :D. Now just imagine if Shadow Of TTR supported VXAO as well as MFAA in DX12. 😍
I own a PS4 Pro but damn would love to play on a PC in ultra settings. :)
your not missing too much lol, tbe pc guys always got to defend thier purchase lol.
A lot of "P.C guys" own both, don't be an idiot.
You can try it you can rent a high end PC through a cloud service but trust me it ain't that special.
yes it is fool. cloud service, you're clueless. consoles are beyond crap.
@@Dr.WhetFarts consoles aren't crap. What makes you think that?
Can you include Surface Book 2 numbers in some of these PC reviews? Loving the technical detail you get into. One nit: the audio is edited a little too finely - add some pauses for virtual “breaths” so it sounds more natural :)
Graphics are great and all, but it's not too important for me personally.
I have a Samsung UN40MU7000FXZA 4K TV and a PlayStation 4 Pro with Samsung 860 EVO 2 TB SSD and that's what I'll use to play _Shadow of The Tomb Raider_ along with backlog of games that I have for the PS4.
I'm satisfied with the quality that I get from playing games on the PS4, and graphically games these days in general look good enough.
If the game has a good story that keeps me occupied with it, I'm more than satisfied; especially if the gameplay is intuitive and engaging. It also helps to make sure that FPS is stable and doesn't have any major frame pacing issues.
Xbox games that always seem to tout graphics, hardware, etc should honestly be playing games on PC if graphical fidelity is their main concern as most games on the Xbox are also on the PC.
In that regard, I think owning a PS4 and PC is the best way to get the most graphically impressive games, followed by the Switch for its exclusives and creative games derived from Nintendo's first party & exclusive studios.
With that said, console game is not likely to ever match or outperform PC's considering that with a PC you always have the option to upgrade components; something you cannot do on a game console besides internal storage....oops, only PS4 currently lets you upgrade internal storage. LOL
For the price of that ssd you could have bought a gaming PC lol
For each his own I suppose. I don't care much about story in a video game. Like John Carmack once said, Story in a video games are like story in a porn film. What I care for more is the immersion via visualization. I'd like to often surround myself in a believable environment. Either by having photorealistic visuals or surround myself in multimonitors. I just let the visuals tell me the story.
Great comment and totally on point. I also have a PS4 PRO and am totally fine with playing it on my 4K TV. I couldn't have said this better myself.
Mad console guy spotted
where's Blackout Analysis??? Can't wait for DF to confirm what I think of it. They basically unearthed old gen builds of the engine, (like Blackops 2 engine build) ; slap PBR on it, texture streaming and VOILA! Making it look like a barely HD big map of Halo 3! Fun game though! NEED DF analysis!
Pro belongs in the xbox one, ps4 and Switch comparisons.
Meanwhile the $450 X1X gets PC comparisons. Well done MS.
It gets a PC comparison... whilst getting destroyed by PC in said comparison 😁
TaserDelight _, it holds it's own. You can't get a prebuit pc at $450 that destroys X1X.
@@vandammage1747 You know... PS4 guys said the exact same thing for 4 years, while you xtards were damage controlling having the weakest console for 4 years. Lol conSLOW gamers are so predictable. Lol
It’s just a bit embarrassing the X1X version doesn’t look different at all and performs worse than the Pro version in resolution mode. Plus it has Screen tearing 😂 all that while Spencer lied again and said there will be no tearing on X1X. Pathetic
kraenk12, it's embarrassing that you don't even have a 4K screen and talk about seeing a difference. And did you not watch the video they said there was quite a big difference? X1X takes a huge dump on your protato again in both mode.
You don't even have native 1440p in tombraider meanwhile we get 98% of true 4K😂😂
Am I the only one who noticed how similar the PCCS looks when compared to the new RTX shadows? I mean, the PCCS also had that effect of been sharper when close and softer far away and IMHO it looked very good on Assassins Creed Unity!
stop hating people ps4 pro and xbox one x offer a great experience for the price plus lots of people like to just sit on the couch turn on the console and just play...i play on pc and ps4 for exclusive so just letting you know before someone attacks me lmao
consoles are more couch friendly they just fit the criteria...come on now dont pull the nerd talk on me
Primal I agree that the Xbox One X gives a great experience for the price, but the PS4 Pro version is just weak and not worth a mention when up against the PC and X versions.
Well, to be quite honest here: You can easily stream your PC to any couch you desire and use a controller. So if you own that PC, just get a streambox for better quality AND the couch feeling. Would still need those consoles for the bane of all gamers,... exclusives,.. bah.
you can just turn on the game and sit on the couch with a controller on PC too though
@@Ammari__S I sit on my couch to and play with controller on a 55 inch 4k OLED tv I don't get your point ether, how is it different? My set up is on my profile for proof, why do console guys use a non existent argument all the time I mean what year do they think it is ? Get with the times for gods sake.
11:01 There's that word again: "Heavy."
ill be playing this at 144hz
hope it too
Do you think my 570 could handle 144fps? 😂 nah jk i know it wont, still waiting for the next cards from amd man these guys are taking too long
@@Carlisho RX 570 or Gtx 570? I think the RX card will handle 720p 144fps and gtx will do 360p 144fps.
Lin Huichi rx, im an amd fanboy 😂
I will play it on my one X at 60 👍
Another nice Alex video!
Amazing game cant wait to get my hands on that one!
Your videos are great, Alex, keep it up!!!
Xbox one x=all on normal with taa and 4x AF and textures on ultra and no tesselation and still look very good.
Wow the pc version is 2 step above!
DJBV still, they didnt show 4k so it was a very unfair comparison.
Devs dont use the xbox one xs power for higher settings but almost exclusively to push the regular console versions to higher resolutions and post processing. My pc of course beats the x when it comes to details in most games but it struggles a lot with anything close to 4k
@@bingobongo1615 xbox one x at 4k is bad it doesnt hit true native 4k and most of the time drops under 30fps even below 25fps im sure a 1060 at xbox one x settings at 4k paired with a mid range old i5 get better results.
DJBV depends on the PC. Your PC needs to be at least 2 times as expensive to deliver your aforementioned quality
DJBV you are wrong :)
@@FelixS. Ill check when i get the game i will do a custom resolution of 4k and see how the game run the problem is i have 980ti and a i7 3770k much better than xbox one x and a 1060 with i5
great video Alex!
The ultimate medium Xbox One X feel the true power.
It's pretty obvious that a double priced PC will have slightly better visuals than a 500$ Console.
Not worth to pay that much for so small difference though
The ps4 pro low settings feels true mistake.
Voodoo soo true lol
more than double the native resolution of protato👍
Voodoo ps4 pro runs it at the same settings as Xbox one X just with slightly lower resolution but the better color and gamma on ps4 pro make up for that ... nice try tho
medium lvl of detail, medium shadows, high textures, btao, this is clearly high preset. Still good!
Too bad not even an RTX 2080Ti can run this game with ray-traced shadows enabled at 60fps...
They'll probably keep tweaking it until it does. Even Battlefield V demo hadn't fully implemented RTX yet. RT/RTX will have different quality settings, it won't just be a single checkbox.
Too bad we have people like you that think hardware in its alpha state is the same as the full release state
Will you guys be doing a dragon quest 11 pc analysis?
May I ask, how do I record HDR footage on PC?
Allan Sh God of war has better graphics and no loading screens. And massive monsters :)
Mosh - thanks for answering Allan Sh genuine query..
*facepalm*
Beeeh, i have God of War, im cool, lemme flex. Nobody cares about that mate. Game looks nice, but nowhere near being better looking than TR on pc
@@kriwient that's just sad, what's the point of fanboying?
TheWeeky TR looks like garbage on PC on ultra settings. I couldn't belive how shit the graphics are compared to Uncharteds. As if the game itself being garbage wasn't enough. You can barely swim, there's no vehicles or boats etc.
Thank God 2016-2018's highest rated games are all Nintendo/Sony exclusive.
Great video, got me excited for the PC version. Do you think there will be an opportunity to purchase the PC version without the need for Steam?
Please can we all stop fighting and just play the game on the device that we have. Not everyone has a PC so they get a console so they can enjoy a game the way they can afford. I have a PC and I love it but I don't make people feel like crap when they have a console. I just play the game and enjoy the game. When we criticize people with consoles its like criticizing a poor man on a street. ( I'm not saying everyone with a console is poor) I'm just saying that some people can't afford a high end PC. It's a pride issue that xbox/ps4 fans have. I have a ps4 pro and I have it for the exclusives. I had Xbox 1x and Its not bad at all It's great for the price. It's like a super car (PC) you don't need it but when you have it it's a great feeling. So please lets stop downing the console people and enjoy our powerful PCs and please console fanboys stop acting like a console is better than the PC it's not. It will always be compared to a mid range PC. The best thing about the consoles is the exclusives. So let us just be gamers first and just appreciate the console/PC we have and just play. Peace to all and GOD Bless
Ciera & Antonio's Tech Talk You do realize that a PC can be any price you want it to be right? You can build a PC for the same price as a console and get better performance. What’s with these people thinking that every PC is some $5,000 machine.
That is very true I really didn't think about that. I just felt bad all the people fighting about things that doesn't really need to fight about. good point
lol dude even laptops are better than consoles, consoles are bad cant handle 60 fps lol they are for masochists or poor kids
I take it you're new to the internet...
You realise your target audience right? The reason they fight is because they're children with a) too much time on their hands, or b) are over compensating for a lack of real friends.
Me- I peruse and leave an occasional remark when it's a slow day at work. :)
What a great comment, thank you so much for this, wise words. I just want to state one more thing, it is not that a console owner is always like a "poor man on the street" compared to a high-end PC, it is just that sometimes people like myself don't want to spend the extra money on high performance PC. Some of us don't see the value on spending a ton of cash for a better graphics and frame rate. If some people do, and are willing to spend the extra money for a objectively better gaming experience, it's totally fine. But to look to down upon someone and mock it because they can't afford or are not willing to spend the money on a high-end PC is just rude and shows how those people who do that are pitiful , closed minded and small individuals. Nobody with sane mind can't deny that consoles offers great value for the money and that Sony exclusives look gorgeous and play reasonably well on a objectively "limited" hardware.
Also there is a matter of comfort and plug and play. I for example enjoy playing on my couch with controller in my hand, rather than behind the desk. Before anybody says it it easy to hook up PC to a TV and use the controller, no I don't want to bother with it for numerous reasons. I have a solid gaming laptop (i7 + 1050Ti) and a PS4 PRO and I spend much more time playing on a console. I use laptop for other things and an occasional gaming session. It's just a matter of preference and choice.
Why tf does this doesnt support VULKAN . Doom used it and look at the performance it got on PC . It was just astonishing . They should integrate VULKAN with the game from the start of development process
Budget prob. The current engine they have only supports their platform. Plus devs ability and time may come into pay.
Do bo4 blackout.
4:22 WHOAH I didn't even notice she was there until you zoomed in.
Maybe its just my eyes but I could swear that this game looks worse than Rise of the Tomb Raider but maybe its just me but Lara looks soooo cartoonish and weird in this one
I thought the same when I first saw UA-cam footage but after playing it today on PC Shadow is clearly superior to me. The antialiasing solutions alone offer a much better image quality, and the performance is miles ahead.
If that looks so cartoonish, I guess Telltale's Walking Dead looks realistic then.
Played it for a couple hours last night. It's much better than Rise.
Not a wise idea to judge the graphical quality of games through youtube, which compresses videos. I am playing both Rise and Shadow on PC max settings and shadow looks better.
People saying that shadow is better, well it has new PC features and enviroments may look better, but characters really suck, movements and design are like ps2, Lara looks blurry and chartoonished indeed
I'm playing this game on the original Xbox One and it's pretty impressive to see how good it looks even on that platform. Whether you're playing this on PC with Ultra settings or on the original Xbox One, you're in for a treat.
What's the optimal graphical setting, if I am playing in 8K resolution with RTX 2080 Ti X2?
ultra low
Yup with ray tracing gimmick Ultra low on those setting Leon.
@@diocub4022 Does NV-Link stack up VRAM? Perhaps I can play with ray tracing off and highest textures?
RTX >>> 4K
Ultra high resolutions are a gimmick. They always have been. 1440p is the sweetspot for performance and image quality. If the RTX 2080 Ti can somehow get 60fps at 1440p with RTX enabled, then that would be a way better option (for me at least) than 4K/60fps with no Ray-Tracing. Good lighting in games helps immensely with immersion. What does 4K do? Sharpen the image and reduce jaggies a bit. That's all. All whilst tanking the performance. And you can only notice the difference in quality if you're sat close to your display. From normal viewing distances, 2K and 4K look practically identical. But RTX on vs off is a clear discernible difference, with Ray-Tracing on looking far better than with it turned off.
Performance >>> RTX
the best thing after this video is watching arguments between people about consoles vs consoles or consoles vs pc xD!
They don't understand that the graphics is not so big difference but the price is, but that's with all things in the world. Good example is cars.
i dont like this comparison. They didn't did XBOX ONE X 4k vs PC 4k. Or texture comparisson with XBOX ONE X 4k mode, which is the real case for that console, againts the PC 4k Ultra settings. Alex has not the feeling for these comparison. He made RTX comparisson which is not even out yet. By Rise of the Tomb Raider they compared excelent all 3 platforms, example in textures.
Because Textures are the same... I guess you didn't listen to it .....
Really, where? And the point is not that is the same or not. They should show it. if its the same, than they should show its the same, just like by Rise of the Tomb Raider. Alex showed just general things like HBO+ and RTX, what everyone know how it looks. He should show XBOX ONE X, which runs on 4k, againts the PC same 4k resolution, Ultra settings. And the video is only in 1080p which is a joke. because XBOX ONE X runs on 4k mode, and for a good comparison you need the video in 4k too. I dont know what happened, they did good these comparisons. Its like Alex videos has no structure.. John, Tom, Witchard make a much better work in this.
It's the same lmao why compare 4k vs 4k you already him say xbox one x using 4x anisotrophic that's why he said its blurry with both taa and 4x.... on xbox one x...
It showed which PC settings match the X's, the textures were on Ultra.
From what I heard, textures are the same as the console as the Xbox One X version and I think he said the rest of the settings are around the PC normal settings on the One X.
holy shit what an amazing performance! and video alex xD
Ps4 was that terrible it didnt get a comparison. Rofl
This is a PC focus video troll
OMG no)))
Ummmm if PS4 is terrible, how about base XBOX ONE? 🤔🤣
Lawrence Newman not true. The PS4 version can't do true 4k and suffers big frame drops. The X1X is a big leap in performance and fidelity. DF actually recommended to play the PS4 version in high frame rate mode because the 4k mode looks so bad.They chose to compare the PC version with the X1X because the rest of the competition doesn't come close.
Haha so much mis information. The pro runs smoother than x in resolution mode.. X judders and screen tears like crazy. Visually the differences will be hard to spot.
Why you people never talk about HDR, you know its the best feature that a developers can implement in modern video games. The games can look so much better with hdr enable if the developers implemented correctly!! So please talk more about hDr topics.
Pc and Xbox one X. No Soupstation Blurry Protato which was a great lie
Elemento14x2138 Looks identical, runs more stable and no Screen tearing, but nice try troll.
@@kraenk12 the only thing that look identical is your pair of salt shakers for your blurry potato soup station.
Fake 4K and runs at sub-50fps on the high frame-rate mode. "More stable"...LMAO
More stable is just lower standards. You don't exactly need a crazy PC to get a 4K 30hz at medium preset settings.
kreank12 was obviously referring to resolution mode. The facts are there in the other video, if you want to distort them to make a childish and illegitimate point, then that's all you'll get in return.
FSR2 now possible in Rise and Shadow of the Tomb Raider, in DX12. Awesome.
Yeah sorry no way I'm switching to Windows 10 to enable DX12
windows 7 goes eol in 1 year, no security updates then. that os is dead. learn linux or install windows 10.
Just switch buddy. It's not bad. They're going to start charging you on windows 7 for security updates. Without security, you'll be really upset if something happens to your PC.
Its almost 2019....This has got to be a troll.
10:19 I've mentioned this in some of your other videos (and you seem to skip over my comments every single time and you never mention it at all) - Materials such as hair these days is rendered with alpha-to-coverage, which was a technique of handling "transparencies" that was originally intended to take advantage of additional MSAA buffers (buffer_count ^ 2 levels of transparency are available).
So MSAA would actually improve the quality of Lara's hair, however it won't have any effect on the anti-aliasing for these types of material - which goes against expectations as we traditionally think "MSAA = anti-aliasing!", but with alpha-to-coverage MSAA also handles fine transparency details.
SMAA 4x should certainly create the best results - MSAA will keep alpha-to-coverage at highest quality and anti-alias geometry edges, then sub-morphological & temporal anti-aliasing cleans up the image further to reduce aliasing on the alpha-to-coverage materials (which have, quite ironically, been aliased across the multi-sampling buffers, as well as the image buffers!).
Hi there Xilefian,
Not skipping over your comment, I probably do not see. AFAIK you still have to explicitly purpose MSAA with A2C to get that subpixel coverage - it is not a given at all. As far as I know as well the extension of TressFX in Pure Hair does not use A2C transparency - which is why I state it separately in the my word clausing in the video.
Best,
Alex
11:20 you focused on vegetation when singing the praises of MSAA - again as I said many times in my comments on these videos; vegetation is one of those things that takes advantage of alpha-to-coverage in modern games - the MSAA would improve the transparent edges of the vegetation, certainly, but MSAA wouldn't be fixing up the anti-aliasing for vegetation as much as one would expect (as I said before, MSAA with alpha-to-coverage materials aliases transparency across the multi-sampling buffers, undoing the anti-aliasing benefits of MSAA) - the sub-morphological component of this anti-aliasing soup would be helping the most with vegetation here.
Once you have more than one sampling buffer on the screen (MSAA 2+), alpha-to-coverage (which is already the standard way of handling alpha cut-outs, now that GPUs have turned their back on discard alpha) automatically takes effect. It's a passive GPU feature, the moment you've got something transparent, it will use any MSAA buffer available.
Modern APIs have explicitly removed discard alpha - and the only people using fragment discards in shaders are under graduates or amateur programmers - so alpha-to-coverage is certainly being used. It's the industry standard for handling hair and vegetation at this point (because blend sort orders are a harder problem to solve).
EDIT: Now that I look at the documentation, there isn't even a way to force alpha-to-coverage to not use MSAA buffers without writing a shader that's explicitly writing to MSAA buffers - which would very much be the developer having to go out of their way to disabled alpha-to-coverage's benefits on MSAA at the cost of increased fragment shader complexity and wasted performance on selective write to each MSAA buffer.
Xilefian ,
I think you may be overinterpretting some of my statements in the video or even in previous video. Brevity of words and the inability - at times - to go completely crazy with verbose rendering language causes that. When I say transparencies, I do not always implicity mean all and every type - and not necessarily A2C specifically as well. So yeah, in future videos for clarification purposes I totally will use those words if they are appropriate. Good point.
My original anti-alasing video had a section directly focusing on alpha to coverage anti-aliasing, but I cut it for time reasons (a video has to be done at some point). My first DF video ever, which no one has watched except the DF team basically, focused on alpha to coverage in ARMA 3 as a big point in it. I can link you that if you would wish.
As far as I can tell by Lara's hair here with pure hair does not use A2C. The MSAA pass, perhaps as a byproduct of it being so explicit in D3D12, is not working on it at all. Perhaps I will pull up renderdoc later to confirm that though. Regarding A2C on the vegetation - well it is a matter of how the vegation is done - alpha testing and blending are still there - not all vegetation is a2c in every game even if it has reached a great level of penetration in game engines to do it that way.
Here though? Well, I will get back to you there. Thanks once again though for such nice long comments.
Best,
Alex