I like this channel. In a tight spot and trying to record on my phone entirely Can you cover the costly options you mentioned in this video You mentioned a antelope axino mic the vst outboard gear also Pre amp universal audio 1073 Is there a budget tube tech option for the c013?
Thank you for paying respect to my brother Seth Firkins. I was guitarist for Element H and Breckinridge. He starated off as our roadie, and well, you saw what he became. Smartest guy I've ever met. RIP Seth
Ooooo correct me if I’m wrong but a vocal chain is a series of or different pieces of equipment connected together that the vocals pass thru to produce the final sound of the vocals recorded and/or created by the artist.
That's a solid vocal chain. I have the WA 87 and in a shootout I can't tell the difference between it and the Neumann. Also, I have the WA 73, which is a 1073 replica and it is incredible. I'm in the process of purchasing a cL1b because I haven't found a replica for that except for the plug in. I currently go through my Avalon 737 or the cL1b plug in. Also, grabbing the WA 8000 which is the Sony C 800 g replica. If your pockets aren't as deep as some of these million dollar studios, then replicas can really get you there. Thanks for the content
I can hear the difference between all the gear wa 87 and u87, c800 and wa 800, the wa 73 and a 1073, too my ears their not very close. But they do sound good better than just an interface but maybe 1/5 th of the sound give or take. Gonna be missing lower mid body in all 3 and the mics a capsule high end bump that’s literally hiding unwanted cheap capsule peaks.
I was looking to get a U87i but I do not record vocals all the time, I have a Rode NT1 with a DBX 376 tube mic pre. Turn up the drive adjust the EQ, compressor and de-esser setting to taste and you have a pretty warm sounding vocal. Dont need it so warm, turn down the drive and add a bit more highs with the EQ. While the vocalist is "warming" up that is your cue to make input adjustments. Use that time wisely because its not good to stop a session to make adjustments.
I don't know the whole chain but Summer Walker used a Manley Reference Cardioid, so did 6lack on Free 6lack. I think Lucky Daye has used a Telefunken ELA M 251.
What does he use live? Well I’m glad you asked. Digico SD series (5,7,10,12), channel strip on the desk for basic shaping and compression, a neve 5045 run into an avalon 737, a d-two delay for delay throws, bricasti M7 for verb, a smart c2 for master bus compression, and various waves plug ins as well or sometimes as substitutes if the hardware mentioned earlier isn’t available. Not in order by the way. Ask me how I know.
Which Plug-Ins should I use after this Vocal Chain for a great result? I got the U87 going into the Apollo Twin X. In the Apollo Console I choose the the Neeve 1073 and the CL1B and record like that right? So I got the Future Vocal Chain. But that's not it right? What Plug-Ins do should I put on the vocals after recording them in my DAW? Sorry I'm just the rapper and just getting into mixing.
I did a vocal session at Errol Brown from Hot Chocolate's studio in London a few years ago and they had the same pre amp and compressor plus an EQ but they swapped the U87 for a JZ67 mic and it actually sounded better in the chain. This was a vintage U87 yet the JZ67 had more detail in the reproduction of my voice. The pre amp, compressor and EQ seem to be more important than the microphone. The different mics just give your voice a color and the rack gear shapes it to make it sound great IMO
My bro engineered a session for the Migos back in like 2017 when they were in the country and after their session they made him delete the vocal chains lol they sat there and made sure they were deleted too.
Plugin boutique has the CL1B going for $149. Thinking bout coppin it since I’m lookin for a compressor. right now I’m running the tlm 103 into an apollo twin with the stock compressor in pro tools. Also thinking about my options for a pre amp to use in the uad console
If you like the sound of the U87, check out Dachman Audio’s clone. I bought the SE, and it’s the best mic I’ve ever owned. I’ve never had the pleasure of using the U87 itself, but I work with an engineer who has worked with them, and he thought the vocals were comparable. Incredible value at $400 (think it might be $500 now).
A very versatile, tried and true vox chain! This can work for most, if not, all genres; with different settings and adjustments, ofc. I worked at a studio that had mostly emu's of the hardware and got pretty close to the real thing..! I hope to own some real ones sometime in the future ✨
I record future and you had it all right except the mic. We actually use a Sony c800g. Even if you look at the video you have attached to this video of future in the studio you will see he's using a c800g.
Hey Archie, have you ever heard a Vintage 1073 as compared to a 1073 SPX? I would love to see what you think. From my understanding the only difference is that The SPX uses the same circuit design, but with modern manufacturing techniques, including a combination of in-house SMT and hand assembly methods, and also includes many feature additions to keep the 1073 up-to-date with modern studio use. The comparison would be nice.
I can’t believe they put this much thought into that vocal. You can make it sound good with a $50 mic and garage band. It’s all about the cadence and swag not the sound.
This Vocal chain is considered an "Industry Standard". It's literally in every professional studio I've worked in. We prefer Vintage 87's and not the AI's. Neve 1073, Tube Tech CL1B, Vintage Neumann U87.
That's awesome man. Congratulations on the new interface. Ideally, you want to go from the mic to preamp with an XLR cable. Then from the output of the preamp with an XLR cable. Then to the interface with an XLR but the other end of this cable is a balanced TRS end. I hope this helps.
@@archiebeatz bro thank you so so much…….. I know Dolph’s main vocal chain isn’t too crazy with effects.. but I honestly think he has the best vocals in trap music. There is just a different clarity going on than everyone else.. his vocals are always up front but don’t sound harsh but still pretty hot. Now the adlibs I really want to know what they are doing. The type of reverb and delays. Check out the song hashtag and maybe a few other I just really love hashtag. Thanks bro you the GOAT for this!!
I'm currently testing equilateral triangle placement with height and distance. Also, seeing which KRK the V8 or Rokit 8s are better for playback in my work flow. I hope this helps.
Bro you have an amazing recording studio. The first thing I want to hear from you is your stuff. Those 10k gears and vocal chain are good don't get me wrong, but where are your stuff Your sessions and what you do on a regular basis in that facility. Cheers
just curious why not ALL top artists use the sony C800g? Seems like thats the best of the best so if your a top artist why would you choose the U87 over it??
Hi Alex. Thank you. The 1073SPX is basically the newer standalone version of the 1073. The one I'm mentioning in this video requires an 80-series classic consoles and racks to function. The SPX is the modern approach to the 1073 from Neve. Also, the DPX is a dual SPX with 2 channels. I hope this helps.
@@OmgItsAlexOfficial Hey man. I have the 1073N and had the SPX - have files printed with both if that'd help you make a better decision. The SPX has a wider stereo image on the source than the N, but the N version has a tone that's similar to the original, but with a bit more top end. I ran Coi Leray & Durk vocals through the SPX on no more parties.
It would be just awesome to hear some pop/rock Vocal Chains. From JB, JT, MGK, Charlie Poof etc etc. Even that I record pop and rock music I still like your channel! Can't wait to see anything from my suggestions ;) P.S. It would be also cool to hear your thoughts aka review of the Telefunken TF51
Just so yall know, analog obsession has amazing versions of these plugins completely for free. They basically have a version of every piece of classic analog gear in vst form and they sound freaking amazing. I stopped using universal audio plugins because analog obsession is just as good if not better.
And all your videos you never say if the Apollo interface is in bypass are they using gain from the Apollo. So how do you give a complete vocal chain without that information?
Thank you all for watching. We have TONS of Epic Vocal Chain videos lined up! Be sure to subscribe so you won't miss any updates!
WHOS BEAT UIS PLAYING IN THE VIDEO
That Neuman is a monster‼️
What’s the name of that mic you said they use ?
List the vocal chain!
I like this channel. In a tight spot and trying to record on my phone entirely Can you cover the costly options you mentioned in this video
You mentioned a antelope axino mic the vst outboard gear also
Pre amp universal audio 1073
Is there a budget tube tech option for the c013?
Basically,
Mic: Neumann U87
Pre-Amp: 1073 Neve (UAD)
Compressor: Tube-Tech CL 1B MkII (UAD)
Plugins:
Autotune 5
3/4 delay
12-15% mix of reverb with 12ms predelay combined with room sound
Pro Q3 for EQ
Thank you, 3:52 into the video and my guy still hasn’t started talking about what matters
@@Mahdi_calmworst timestamp you could've posted he's talking about some real deal shit right there
yo could u tell me what Autotune 5 is?
@@streno6712Autotune 5 by Antares Audio but you can go with Autotune X
@@streno6712 It's an older version which has a particular sound. You can still get that sound with Classic Mode in Auto-Tune Pro and Auto-Tune Artist.
Thank you for paying respect to my brother Seth Firkins. I was guitarist for Element H and Breckinridge. He starated off as our roadie, and well, you saw what he became. Smartest guy I've ever met. RIP Seth
You are welcome. That's awesome that you got the opportunity to get to know him. Thank you for dropping by and commenting brother.
502!!!!!
@@booradley420 you know it!!!
@Archie Beatz No, THANK YOU man! Makes my heart happy when people tallk about him and the impact he made.
@rahul I’ve saw you’re band!! I’m from the Tek World days! \,,/
This is such a great youtube concept. Congratulations Archie. Just an incredible idea. You must have been so happy when you thought this up.
Dope 🔥🔥 love this series bro. Great production as always!
Thanks bro. Happy New Year bro! Let's go!!!
Ooooo correct me if I’m wrong but a vocal chain is a series of or different pieces of equipment connected together that the vocals pass thru to produce the final sound of the vocals recorded and/or created by the artist.
Correct
Yes
That's a solid vocal chain. I have the WA 87 and in a shootout I can't tell the difference between it and the Neumann. Also, I have the WA 73, which is a 1073 replica and it is incredible. I'm in the process of purchasing a cL1b because I haven't found a replica for that except for the plug in. I currently go through my Avalon 737 or the cL1b plug in. Also, grabbing the WA 8000 which is the Sony C 800 g replica. If your pockets aren't as deep as some of these million dollar studios, then replicas can really get you there. Thanks for the content
I can hear the difference between all the gear wa 87 and u87, c800 and wa 800, the wa 73 and a 1073, too my ears their not very close. But they do sound good better than just an interface but maybe 1/5 th of the sound give or take. Gonna be missing lower mid body in all 3 and the mics a capsule high end bump that’s literally hiding unwanted cheap capsule peaks.
Someone’s gonna get rich af making a good affordable CL1B clone
@@ChaceBonanno they just made one I gotta real one. I think heritage. I gotta real one I wanna shoot it out.
@@donrich3927 nah I said affordable, not $2.5k
Only cl1b clone I've seen in hardware is by heritage audio
I was looking to get a U87i but I do not record vocals all the time, I have a Rode NT1 with a DBX 376 tube mic pre. Turn up the drive adjust the EQ, compressor and de-esser setting to taste and you have a pretty warm sounding vocal. Dont need it so warm, turn down the drive and add a bit more highs with the EQ. While the vocalist is "warming" up that is your cue to make input adjustments. Use that time wisely because its not good to stop a session to make adjustments.
I have the $800 version of the Neumann and I love it.
It would be great to see an RnB artist’s vocal chain like lucky Daye or summer walker 👀
I don't know the whole chain but Summer Walker used a Manley Reference Cardioid, so did 6lack on Free 6lack. I think Lucky Daye has used a Telefunken ELA M 251.
What camera & lense do you use? Shit looks super clean
this vocal chain is used and the one of the bests since years.
What does he use live? Well I’m glad you asked.
Digico SD series (5,7,10,12), channel strip on the desk for basic shaping and compression, a neve 5045 run into an avalon 737, a d-two delay for delay throws, bricasti M7 for verb, a smart c2 for master bus compression, and various waves plug ins as well or sometimes as substitutes if the hardware mentioned earlier isn’t available. Not in order by the way.
Ask me how I know.
How do you know 😁🙌🏾🙌🏾
Love your content Archie - you're the man! :)
My recommendation for a great budget mic is the Lewitt LCT 440 Pure. Sounds just as good (sometimes even better) as the TLM 103.
man im still using my first microphone is started with. the $100 audio technica and my vocals sound great
Me too haha .. I was recommended audio technica for rap vocals
Beautiful compression on your vocals Archie🔥👌🏽
Which Plug-Ins should I use after this Vocal Chain for a great result?
I got the U87 going into the Apollo Twin X.
In the Apollo Console I choose the the Neeve 1073 and the CL1B and record like that right? So I got the Future Vocal Chain. But that's not it right?
What Plug-Ins do should I put on the vocals after recording them in my DAW? Sorry I'm just the rapper and just getting into mixing.
I did a vocal session at Errol Brown from Hot Chocolate's studio in London a few years ago and they had the same pre amp and compressor plus an EQ but they swapped the U87 for a JZ67 mic and it actually sounded better in the chain. This was a vintage U87 yet the JZ67 had more detail in the reproduction of my voice. The pre amp, compressor and EQ seem to be more important than the microphone. The different mics just give your voice a color and the rack gear shapes it to make it sound great IMO
3:54 I really needed this today ❤️ Thanks!
Another one! Always incredible breakdowns Archie.
I used to spend hours trying to find articles that breaks this stuff down 🙌😂
My bro engineered a session for the Migos back in like 2017 when they were in the country and after their session they made him delete the vocal chains lol they sat there and made sure they were deleted too.
😂😂😂
Your backdrop is so sick !
Thank you so much! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Thank you for putting in the work to getting this out there. Good lookin out!
Thanks man , this is great content , always wondered how future creates his sound
Rest in peace to Juice Wrld 🙏🏾I think you should do his vocal chain next !
Autotune
Great vid, amazing lighting, camera, background and of course musical information 🙏🏾
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
Slate has a really good one that mimics very popular mics all in one
Yes, I've heard. I have to get my hands on a slate vms to check out.
Plugin boutique has the CL1B going for $149. Thinking bout coppin it since I’m lookin for a compressor. right now I’m running the tlm 103 into an apollo twin with the stock compressor in pro tools. Also thinking about my options for a pre amp to use in the uad console
If you like the sound of the U87, check out Dachman Audio’s clone. I bought the SE, and it’s the best mic I’ve ever owned. I’ve never had the pleasure of using the U87 itself, but I work with an engineer who has worked with them, and he thought the vocals were comparable. Incredible value at $400 (think it might be $500 now).
Like your videos, but it's amazing how much you can say, without saying anything man.
Dope content bro
Thanks bro
You can probably find a U87ai used for $2k. I've had mine for 10 years. Best studio purchase I've ever made.
A very versatile, tried and true vox chain! This can work for most, if not, all genres; with different settings and adjustments, ofc. I worked at a studio that had mostly emu's of the hardware and got pretty close to the real thing..! I hope to own some real ones sometime in the future ✨
Dope drop🥂🔥
Thanks Milt! 🙏🏾
Warm Audio needs to make a WA1B
Great video
Dope video! Would love to see one on Gunna/Young Thug vocal chain!
Theres an updated version of the CL1b from Softube that's much closer sounding to the hardware unit.
Yes, the MKII. UA just released it as well.
@@archiebeatz Oohhh i had no idea
@@archiebeatz I hear UAD mkii software version is very buggy currently... I'm on Mac Ventura can anyone chime in?
I record future and you had it all right except the mic. We actually use a Sony c800g. Even if you look at the video you have attached to this video of future in the studio you will see he's using a c800g.
Would be nice to hear some actual vocals with that chain in one of your videos.
Hey Archie, have you ever heard a Vintage 1073 as compared to a 1073 SPX? I would love to see what you think. From my understanding the only difference is that The SPX uses the same circuit design, but with modern manufacturing techniques, including a combination of in-house SMT and hand assembly methods, and also includes many feature additions to keep the 1073 up-to-date with modern studio use. The comparison would be nice.
Wished you would have mentioned the 500 series version of the neve 1073LB same sound half the price
So the compressor and preamp is the guide , is that basically what you’re saying? How do artists find their voice?
I can’t believe they put this much thought into that vocal. You can make it sound good with a $50 mic and garage band. It’s all about the cadence and swag not the sound.
I use Antelope modeling software and at the fraction of the cost, I can have any vocal chain on the market.
VERY COOOOL. THANK YOU
Where do you find this type of information?
This Vocal chain is considered an "Industry Standard". It's literally in every professional studio I've worked in. We prefer Vintage 87's and not the AI's. Neve 1073, Tube Tech CL1B, Vintage Neumann U87.
thanks for the content. Do you have some more information about the settings? specially the tube tech and autotune? I guess he uses antares?
Subbeddd my don.
They're using a vintage U87 not the ai
Okay this hard. I just wish they have good mixing engineers
More of Future, please. As well as Drake and Kendrick.
The older versions of autotune sound so much better than the new ones
which one particular?
Waves tune is better if you want natural sounding pitch correction, if your using for effect then autotune is better
I NEED TO KNOW NF’s VOCAL CHAIN PLEASEEE
@ 4:49 ? Was that a bar ??? 😂😂😂
if i aint mistaken. Thats vocal chain from 2014. Its possible he using it till this day. But this info sitting on google for years
Just bought the Apollo twin how do I link my external preamp and compressor?
That's awesome man. Congratulations on the new interface. Ideally, you want to go from the mic to preamp with an XLR cable. Then from the output of the preamp with an XLR cable. Then to the interface with an XLR but the other end of this cable is a balanced TRS end. I hope this helps.
What kind of interface dose Future use?
Please do young dolph vocal chain and his adlibs, also don toliver please!
Nice!!! I'm on the case! Thanks for the suggestions.
@@archiebeatz bro thank you so so much…….. I know Dolph’s main vocal chain isn’t too crazy with effects.. but I honestly think he has the best vocals in trap music. There is just a different clarity going on than everyone else.. his vocals are always up front but don’t sound harsh but still pretty hot. Now the adlibs I really want to know what they are doing. The type of reverb and delays. Check out the song hashtag and maybe a few other I just really love hashtag. Thanks bro you the GOAT for this!!
Frank Ocean’s vocal chain would be interesting.
Hey bro, why you stack KRK8? What's the benefit? Or is it just for playback
I'm currently testing equilateral triangle placement with height and distance. Also, seeing which KRK the V8 or Rokit 8s are better for playback in my work flow. I hope this helps.
@@archiebeatz next time could explain some of the things you're talking about as to how it would be beneficial
His vocal chain a lil bigger than that everybody in the A on it
Bro you have an amazing recording studio. The first thing I want to hear from you is your stuff. Those 10k gears and vocal chain are good don't get me wrong, but where are your stuff Your sessions and what you do on a regular basis in that facility. Cheers
They Killed Seth the engineer for releasing Futures secrets!
lol. Nice try diddy
HOT take🙏🏼
Looks like a green screen 📺 on your hands
I'd like to know Gorilla Zoe's vocal chain on his song "echo"
Would love for you to find Rich Homie Quan vocal chain bro. Thanks
just curious why not ALL top artists use the sony C800g? Seems like thats the best of the best so if your a top artist why would you choose the U87 over it??
because not every mic works with every persons vocal
Hey, I know you do vocal chains for mostly North American based artists but I was wondering could you do someone from the Dancehall or Reggae genres?
Nice info! Do you know what the difference would be between the Neve you talked about and the Neve 1073SPX? I'm looking to buy the spx.
Hi Alex. Thank you. The 1073SPX is basically the newer standalone version of the 1073. The one I'm mentioning in this video requires an 80-series classic consoles and racks to function. The SPX is the modern approach to the 1073 from Neve. Also, the DPX is a dual SPX with 2 channels. I hope this helps.
@@archiebeatz nice! I can't wait to add it to my telefunken chain.
@@OmgItsAlexOfficial Awesome! Which Telefunken do you have?
@@archiebeatz the tf51. I upgraded to it from my avantone cv-12 which was nice but I'm blown away by the tfunk
@@OmgItsAlexOfficial Hey man. I have the 1073N and had the SPX - have files printed with both if that'd help you make a better decision. The SPX has a wider stereo image on the source than the N, but the N version has a tone that's similar to the original, but with a bit more top end.
I ran Coi Leray & Durk vocals through the SPX on no more parties.
Why do you have so manny studio monitors in same price range? Never seen that before just for astethics
I'm testing budget and mid high end monitors for my February and March for my channel. I chose to still film and release content while I'm working.
@@archiebeatz new adam a7v are best from these i listened to all
All that work to capture "mumble" rap. Nice studio. Story well told.
That background beat is amazing, anyone have a link?
How many studiomonitors do you want?…yes
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says “vocal chain”
what do you mean by hot in the video?
It's a habit I have when referring to a nice signal.
DO MONEYMAN VOCAL CHAIN PLEEEEAAASSSSE
@archiebeatz wher can I get the pop filter you are using
A$AP ROCKY 🙏🏼
You know this man can cook he could really stunt
tascam 4-track and maxel XL-II and im good
It would be just awesome to hear some pop/rock Vocal Chains. From JB, JT, MGK, Charlie Poof etc etc.
Even that I record pop and rock music I still like your channel! Can't wait to see anything from my suggestions ;)
P.S. It would be also cool to hear your thoughts aka review of the Telefunken TF51
charlie poof 😂
🔥BANGER 🔥
Thank you 🙏🏾
I have a TLM 107 is that a good mic
I have an old vocal chain Tupac if you can get that damn that would be amazing!
Can you do Tory Lanez vocal chain?
Just so yall know, analog obsession has amazing versions of these plugins completely for free. They basically have a version of every piece of classic analog gear in vst form and they sound freaking amazing. I stopped using universal audio plugins because analog obsession is just as good if not better.
And all your videos you never say if the Apollo interface is in bypass are they using gain from the Apollo. So how do you give a complete vocal chain without that information?
Can you do DMX's Vocal Chain
condolences to seth 😇
So this vocal chain was the best last year. Meaning there is a better one for 2023 lol
Epic Typo I had there, lol. This is what delayed production and release planning gets you as a one man team 😂😂😂
Most nice studios have this chain out here in New York
Future's Vocal Chain is Metro Boomin
What songs were this used on
The U87 head to head with the 103 lost on most people in our tests. It's a very plain mic. We sold ours.
Most of all the big guys rn the same chains, c800 or an 87 into an avalon-cl1b-
Let me ask for a microphone for a small studio recording.