The Ronaldo vs Messi Paradox.
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The Ronaldo vs Messi paradox. Is the greatest rivalry in football actually hiding a deeper truth? Two GOATs, two competitors, yet they are connected in a way that defies logic.
It’s time to take a different perspective on this debate. We have been all looking at it wrong this entire time…
0:00 - Intro
0:30 - Yin & Yang
2:57 - Ronaldo & Messi's Prime
4:43 - Head to Head Stats
6:28 - Every Significant Head to Head
9:35 - Career Stats
10:48 - Is it a Rivalry? - Спорт
firstly, just want to say thank you to everyone for the support and feedback. i’m glad so many of you enjoyed the video and i can promise there’ll be more to come so make sure you subscribe and stick around 🤝
secondly, this comment section has also become something i didn’t want. for those who have watched the entire video, you should know it’s about appreciating both players. so let’s keep it civilised and respectful 🫡
@@ehzardo if you keep up this work, you will be one of the football documentaries GOAT
What a great video! Really enjoyed it! Im just thanksful I was alive watching theses two guys at their prime.
You should do well to mention the countless times Ronaldo has disrespected Messi when Messi never says a bad word about Ronaldo…be honest and stop focusing on being impartial
@@atoyorke7468 when has ronaldo disrespected messi?
@@monsterrrrgaming In interviews mocking Messi’s copa America exit…Calling him unsavory nicknames in the dressing room…On social media sending laughing emojis at messi slander posts…his family mocking Messi…i’ve seen a lot more
If only we could turn back the clock 14 years and relive that era.
Just be grateful we lived through it. Unless you're 15 or 16 this year, but if you are, 2011-12 was something completely on a different level, the peak of club football as we know it
Hear! Hear!
I’m just glad we got to see it. What a time to be alive.
If messi and ronaldo played together lord the amount of goals ronaldo would have gotten 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Messi fan type comment
2 of his best ever seasons were with Ozil, probably the only playmaker he's ever played with who's on the same level as Messi in terms of playmaking. But yeah, that duo would've been absolutely insane, 60+ goals 40+ assists for Messi and 70+ goals 20+ assists for Ronaldo
@@nathanhosea489Messi runs at goals and attracts more players unlike Ozil. Which gives his teammates more chances to exploit his passing and space. Definitely Ronaldo would have had way more goals and even assists. Messi really loves to cross on the left wing or in the box which is Ronaldo's main strong point. So ya definitely no way it wont be a deadly combo
@@nathanhosea489 Messi attracts more players..
@@khosta6690Ronaldo simp. It’s just basic fact that Messi is a better passer. They would have been better than the mns trio. Even as just a duo.
Ronaldo and Messi: 🥺🤝🥰
Their fans: 😡🤬☠️
????? havent you seen the comments ronaldo put under Messi’s balon dor wins? “😂😂😂😂” “factos 😂” thats just childish
Ronaldo and messi is JUST AS toxic though. Mostly from ronaldo tho.
@@okokokokkoko3214 Ronaldo himself is a toxic asshole, and an overall idiot.
But online I see messi fans being toxic way more often than ronaldo fans.
Like, just look at this comment section, all it takes is someone saying they are a ronaldo fan, for a messi fan to be instantly summoned in the replies, with a wall text, explaining how "it's not even close".
Saying shit like "messi's stats are WAY better", even tho it shows in the video that they are just a bit better, and that both players are clearly of a comparable level.
I never see ronaldo fans trying to pull messi down from the top legend status, it's always messi fans trying to make ronaldo seem like an average player.
Ronaldo is super jealous of Messi.
lol this is false. Ronaldo hates him. And the evidence is everywhere
I think that Messi is the GOAT, but Ronaldo isn't far from him, people who think that Ronaldo is the GOAT have a point, people who think Messi is the GOAT have a point.
Careful, you're acting too rationale in a comment section like this.
Notreubensandwich is such a goon. Unironically using terms like "Pendu" confirms he hasn't matured past 5.
He’s not really though. Messi is far far better. Messi is the greatest dribbler and playmaker ever while Ronaldo’s nowhere near that. You can only compare them in finishing but even there Messi is far more efficient than Ronaldo statistically.
For example, Messi has scored more long range goals in half the attempts than Ronaldo. Same with free-kicks. Its not really a debate.
Players like Maradona, R9 are more comparable to Messi in pure footballing terms. Cristiano’s prime just isn’t that level but he had longevity though which is why he’s top 5 in my books.
@@notreubensandwich dribbling yeah, but messi isn't the best playmaker in the world, iniesta, xavi, pirlo, kroos and modric are better in terms of playmaking. Cristiano is a better goalscorer than Messi. Ronaldo played 200 games as a right midfielder where is harder to score goals from, if we want to compare goalscoring we should take ronaldo's time in Real Madrid in which he has a better goal scoring ratio than messi. Ronaldo's weak foot is better than messi's, ronaldo's heading ability is better than messi's. Messi has free kicks but ronaldo has penalties. Cristiano has more hattricks than messi. He was the top scorer of the ucl more times than messi, has more goals and assists in the champions league than messi. Ronaldo's dribbling ability became worse because he shifted roles, from playing in the LW position in to the ST position, and of course he had that knee injury that worsened his dribbling. Ronaldo's playmaking ability isn't that bad, but messi's is far better. Do you now see why people think that ronaldo is the goat
@@monsterrrrgaming Kroos? hahahah Messi literally has 5 playmaker awards that's by far the most in history. He also has the most assists in the history.
Messi's gravity alone makes him a much much deadlier playmaker than Xavi, Kroos, Modrid or Pirlo.
F off Penaldo played as a winger in United and pretty much a number 9 in his last season at united with Rooney sacrificing a lot. Messi played most of his 2nd half of his career playing deep where he had to run the game after Xavi retired in 2014.
Messi has the most goals in a year which Penaldo can't even dream of.
Messi has SIX GOLDEN BOOTS. Messi has the record for League goals which pendu never did. If pendu was a better goalscorer he would've scored a knockout goal in 5 world cups but he failed lololol
Most managers, players, commentators rate Messi as the Goat. Even guys like Mourinho has said that much lol
@@notreubensandwich so messi's gravity makes him a better playmaker, messi gets those awards because of his name, messi is an elite playmaker but not as good as the actual midfielders, you know, midfielders who's whole job Is to create chances. When you say penaldo and pendu you are referring to ronaldo's penalties which he is far better than messi at pens. Messi played his 2nd half of his career as a right winger mate and sometimes dropped to CAM to create chances. Most goals in a year yes but ronaldo had 60+ goals in 4 consecutive seasons, a nearly equal record. The golden boots are fair, but I will have to say that messi had the better team mates.
One is a machine, the other is a magician. Both are phenomenal, but comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges
@@gurururuwarararara8164 messi is clear lol
@@mikelbaningo6407 bro learned football from yt shorts
@@strikerfc-gv7pc He is right, Messi is clear. Just look at imaginary arguments from Ronaldo fans why is better.
1.) "Ronaldo is better because he scored more goals". Number of goals was never, and will never be deciding factor in a debate who is the goat. That is like saying Haaland is better player than Brazilian Ronaldo because he scored more goals.
2.) "Ronaldo did it in Premier League and Messi didn't". That is just a theory, you can't know if Messi would be good in PL. In Premier League, one brainless winger like Sterling was scoring 20 goals per season and Messi would not succeed in that league hahaha.
3.) "World cup was rigged" Yeah, with France having two penalties in finals, and with absolutely zero proof of being rigged.
4.) "CR has 0 WC knockout goal contributions because Portugal is not that good and Messi had strong Argentina always." Figo, Rui Costa, Bruno Fernandes, Cancelo, Nani, Bernardo Silva and many others top class players played with him in Portugal. And Messi won WC with Acuna, Molina and others.
You see, almost every single argument where Ronaldo is better is just some theory.
8 Ballon d'Ors, World Cup, two times best player of World Cup, facts, no theories. Of course, CR fans will say that his awards were not deserved, but that is nothing but their opinion, it has no weight at all, it means nothing, it is just their opinions. Messi clear. End of story.
I don't think Ronaldo is better than Messi. But Messi is also not better than Ronaldo. Sometimes the other plays better, sometimes the other one plays better. It really depends@@user-ld9zi1cf7i
we got 3 year gap boy
Even though some fans still want to debate Messi vs. Ronaldo, it’s no longer a contest.
When we watch them play football, especially when they’re not scoring, it becomes evident that Messi has far more in his arsenal than Ronaldo.
Swrs bro😂 Ronaldo is currently finished😂😂 while messi is currently the ballon dor holder at 36😂
@@mikelbaningo6407while Ronaldo is 39?, compare both of them at the same age Ronaldo at 36 clutching up for man UTD 2021 season and Messi inter Miami. You can study the effects of aging on athletes 2 to 3 yrs age cap might seem minute but it's very important especially in players who are in their 16 to 20 and those of 36 to 41 and Ronaldo plays as a winger which focusses more on pace and athletic ability that was why cryuff said Ronaldo would be finished at 29 cus his style used his pace , speed and athletic prowess unlike Messi who used his amazing lower center of gravity as a basis of his style as well as his high football iq
@ladyole9291 Somewhat agree. But looking at it ronaldo without goals didn't really do much in matches long before he became 39. It's not just this year
@@ladyole9291 Ronaldo at 36
Trophyless with united
Took them to Europa league
Got 2 coaches sacked
Rejected by every club in Europe
Had one of the worst WC campaigns of all time 💀 just 1 goal
Lol messi is clear
@@mikelbaningo6407 if you had any ball knowledge you’d know that United team were in the mud and cr7 was the scapegoat for all of the club’s problems which started after he left in 2009 even though he saved them multiple times whilst Messi is in the mls at 36 struggling vs Atlanta utd with some of the best players he’s ever played with also on this team
The whole "they both helped each other do well, we cant compare them, they both respect each other so much it was a healthy rivalry" narrative is borderline virtue signalling 😭😭 Ronaldo IS jealous of the guy, and hes childish about it. The entire debate was pushed by the Media to drum up El Classico back in the day, we all know who the better player was and Ronaldo clearly knows it too, he just probably wont admit it for a long time.
We saw who's the better player when one of them scored 6 in a league for PSG
its a media forced debate messi was always been better even before the world cup its as simple as that! ronaldo is a great goalscorer messi is the best playmaker, the best goalscorer and also has a better stats in defence than ronaldo but still we have to appreciate both!
People forget how good ronaldo was in his prime. Its not media forced at all.
Pep. Xavi. Iniesta. 0 trophies since aging n leaving.
La masia at 13. Farmed.
Argentina won more pre Messi.
CR7 twice as many goals. Better ratio for gls assists n total at international when removing friendlies.
Messi is limited. Cr7 is Limitless.
It's not facts. It's opinions. Messi is just better to you
Messi has never done anything without Barca. And even with Barca he pretty much hasn’t done anything in a decade other than his World Cup. Everyone (not just Ronaldo fans simply fans of football) know that Messi has 2 ballon dor that r heavily scrutinized because he didn’t deserve them as much as others where as Ronaldo has had a ballon dor stolen from him in broad daylight (funnily enough from a player on his own team who he just won the ucl for 3rd time in a row while being the driving force). There will always be a debate. The fact is the people like u ( and the opposite with die hard Ronaldo fans) r ruining football cuz u can’t get over the fact not everybody cares about ur opinion
@@banksfranks775 It is media forced, because Messi had better prime as well. Better prime, better stats, better h2h stats, more team trophies, more individual trophies and even if you forget all of the above the eye test just shows that messi is a better player.
@@matsalvatore9074 first why r u mentioning xavi, inesta and pep?
la masia what?🤣
and if u remove euro qualifiers where ronaldo farms goals against luxumborg, lithuenia, andora and the likes and count goals(or assists if u like) messi has more and also ronaldo has 0 player of the tournament in 16 tournaments played that says a lot
and u say messi is limited? limited in what?
he is the better playmaker(the best actually),
the better goal scorer( has better goal to game ratio, scores more from outside the box, had the greatest goal scoring prime, more golden boots, more shot on target and needs less shot to score than ronaldo and he is the better free kick shooter) ,
and he's even better in defence check his stats so ronaldo is the limited one and it is definetly not an opinion objectively messi is miles better!
Heart says Ronaldo. Brain says Messi.
When i wached football the most (2016-2018), it was Ronaldos dominanse and i loved waching his goal complinations.
At the time of the world cup final i started to like more of Messis playing style.
But i can never forget my love towards Ronaldo scoring.
At the end of the day i learned to appriciate both players.
Well, here lies the problem. You and many others probably didn't even see Ronaldo playing in his 20s. Needless to say, he was better in 2011-2013 than in 2016-2018.
@@honzagomela5800 the problem is that he also didnt watch messi prior to 16-18
@@user-bs6ft5ye5z great response 👍🏾
@@honzagomela5800Facts Cristianos Prime is from 2008-2014
@@honzagomela5800id say 2008-2014 are the years Ronaldo really showed his brilliance.
What paradox?
he really has no idea what a paradox is lmao
wallahi same question I've watched the whole video trying to understand the paradox thing 😂
he even dropped a definition just to never mention the paradox thing😭😭
It's hilarious to see that all these guys know that Messi is way better than Ronaldo in every aspect but have to play this "two GOATs" and fence sitting gimmick to avoid backlash from Ronaldo fanboys 😂
I think what he's trying to say is it's not as much of a rivalry as it is two great but very different players that compliment each other, marking an era of football, so he's trying to highlight them together instead of individually
Just for a moment, imagine Messi and Ronaldo being on the same team. Ronaldo as the striker, Messi in a more "find the space" role. I think they would have ruled any league they were in. Would have humiliated the best defenses anyone had to offer. Except Puyol, that man would have put his face in front of a power shot from Ronaldo.
What u on about puyol, di Maria made him play twister 😂😂😂
Psg blew the shot. The only team in my mind that can combine both of em. But i guess mbappe had a say in that….
Messi ruled the league without Ronaldo.
Nah bro just imagine this, Cristiano on the left, R9 upfront, Pele below him, Messi on the right, Maradona, Cryuff and Zidane at the middle and Maldini, Beckenbaur and Nesta as defenders with Buffon or Casillas as the keeper,
@@infected9693 You'd get scored on 50 times a game and wouldn't score nearly as much as you think, but well...casuals always think attacking players are all that matters and that tactics are a myth or something
I don't think I've heard a single defender say they rather be stuck with marking Messi than Cristiano.
Oh no one cares man
video flew right over your head
honestly this is kinda valid
@@cellsentinel239 definitely not valid
@@fatehshoaib9423 sure ok whatever you say
federer nadal and ronaldo messi in the same era is crazy
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@@lukkabadel4971 federe, nadal and dokovic is like ronaldo messi and neymar
1st 2nd and a cringe third
@@TheAriznPremium hahahaha u dont watch tennis, he is the goat, the trophies, statistics and looks show novak
@@lukkabadel4971 his behaviour is the most cringe by a long shot
like neymar
It's a rivalry in the sense that other than CR7 no one else in their generation came close to Messi's level, be it on the football field or in stats. But the truth is, and most EPL fans have a hard time accepting this (most notably Man Utd fans), Messi is just better. They are not on the same level.
In terms of career, yes, they're comparable. They're more victorious and consistent than everyone else. Some players have more World Cup titles than them, or more Champions League titles, but when you add stats + longevity + individual accolades + consistency + iconic performances to the equation there's no debate. It's Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo first, then comes everyone else.
That's one thing. But on the pitch? I'm sorry. Messi is better. He always was and he always will be. You can like watching other players more than you like watching Messi - like my father prefers Ronaldinho over him - but he is the best player of the last 30 years and arguably the GOAT. That's a fact.
CR7 is the reason i support United. He made me a FAN of himself & football since 2007.
As i grew up i realized Messi in his Prime was CLEARLY about 4X BETTER than CR7 in his Prime.
+ (idgaf about weather Messi won the WC or not..)
No man in history has Ever PLAYED FOOTBALL BETTER THAN MESSI FOR AS LONG AS HE DID (2009-2019) & ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE.
I wish they play atleast once match in the same team before retiring
it aint even close dawg its messi
It's messi but it's way closer thn what people nowadays try to make it out to be
@@UserTheLion7722not really ronaldo never really performed in big games not even in the ucls
This is a brain dead take
He literally has multiple hat tricks in the World Cup and UCL just to keep his team FROM elimination
@captainfalconmain6576 he has 4 ucl final goals what do u mean not even in the ucl
@@captainfalconmain6576bro what happened to football fans not perform in the ucl while having every record in the ucl 💀
The comment section is filled with typical fanboys of both sides instead of rational ones ☠️
Edit: Great video by the way. I like how you framed it as a Paradox
yep unfortunately you’re right 😭😭
thanks for the positive feedback though, glad you enjoyed it man 🙏
@ehzardo This is how it is always going to be unfortunately 😂 playerFC arguing and hating over one another.
Can't wait for your next video man!
Messi fans are rational because they support a fact, on the other hand ronaldo kids deny a fact.
@@yvl444 That is literally not the case with either one of the fanbase or any of the player specific fans. Carry on.
@@yvl444 Messi is not near Pele, so they also support a position that’s incorrect
I don’t say that Ronaldo is bad I have mad respect for the things he achieved but Messi clear by far. All those ishowspeed fans are brainwashed even my little brother is saying ronaldo is better & he doesn’t know 1 thing about football 😤
penaldo for a reason
It’s a paradox for the Ronaldo fans. Messi is obviously the best and the only true goat candidate of their generation. For me the goat
they lack football knowledge
why do people feel the need to shit on messi/ronaldo
It’s just 10 year olds that do that
Theyre on both sides but its mostly the Ronaldo stans that get heated tbh. Think its down to them being a lot younger and in their adolescence get mad when they lose things, like a 'goat debate'. Theres actually a Ronaldo fan replying to all Messi related comments on this video. Its childish, but theyre children
@@danielmcgrath680 Exactly lmao
@@danielmcgrath680nah the Messi supporters can get pretty riled up too lmfao
@@danielmcgrath680 it’s not just cr7 fans also Messi fans. Both fanbase are toxic
There's no paradox: Rivalries sell, so the sports media hyped up the only player putting up similar numbers to Messi and ignored the fact that Messi is clearly superior at everything else. Casual fans and kids fell for it, and since Ronaldo is a couple of years older plenty of people had time to become die-hard Ronaldo fans before Messi came along, and stubbornly stuck with their guy despite the evidence.
obviously messi is clearly better
@@captainfalconmain6576 If you know something about football and actually watch both of them play, yeah. If you just look at goals scored you could be tricked into thinking it's really close.
There was no rivalry. It became clear in 2012 itself. A mere machine cannot rival a demigod. Ronaldo is a prolific goalscorer with a never-give-up worth ethic but Messi is something out of this world.
Then what happened in 2014-16-17-18? 😂 And what about 2019 in which Barcelona lost 4-0 to Liverpool and messi ghosted? When both were in their prime, Ronaldo dominated the competition.
Messi also dominated UCL from 2009 to 2015.. winning 3 UCLs to CR7’s 0 🤷🏻♂️
Also, When Messi (2009-2013) was doing cr7’s job of goalpoaching..
- He won 4 Ballon d’Ors in a row
- He was the UCL Top Scorer for 4 years in a row
- He won 3 Golden Boots in that span
- He won 3 Picchichis (Laliga Top Scorer) in that span
- He scored 91 goals in a calendar year (Most in History)
- He assisted 36 goals in a calendar year (Most in History)
- He scored in all UCL finals in that span
- In 2009 UCL campaign, He scored in RO16 against Lyon, a brace and an assist against Bayern in QF, a decisive assist against Chelsea in SF and a header against United in the final
- In 2011 UCL campaign, He scored a brace against Arsenal in RO16, He scored in QF against Shaktar, He scored one of his best goals of his career against Real Madrid in the Semis and also scored from OTB against Van Der Sar in the UCL final
Etc etc..
Its easy being a goal poacher….Messi thrived in it and did a better job than cr7..
Try being a goal poacher, playmaker and dribbler at the same time….cr7 wished he played like Messi 😂
@@vb2388 Nice try cherry picking the years 2009 (Ronaldo won in 2008) and 2015 (Ronaldo would win in 2016), however Ronaldo won CL in 2014 so get your facts straight. Messi hasn't won a Champions League since 2015, which means he never won a Champions league while both he and Ronaldo were at their primes.
@vb2388 Even with your cherry-picked trimeframe... Ronaldo won 1 UCL in 2014, not 0... Don't even bother editing it again because I screenshotted it.
Doesn't do your argument any favours that you can't count to 1.
Numeracy isn't for everyone 😂😂
Where is cr7 from 2019 to 2022 when messi won 3 international tournament as best player something cr7 never done and 3 ballondor?😂😂
Messi is certainly better, this doesn't means anyone is hating cr7😂 whether you see stats or onfield performance, whether you see trophies or individual awards messi clears Ronaldo everywhere.So why is this a debate? The answer is because of Ronaldo fans😂they are nowhere equal , the fact is we are comparing them only on goalscoring even in that messi has the edge, forget about playmaking and passing 💀
Respect every footballer but remember there is only one goat that is messi.
In 2016 when Ronaldo won euros, his fans claimed he was the goat now cause he has win more , now when messi won back to back 4 titles, they are equal bro🤡 respect both goats🤡 wc doesn't make you the best🤡it is team trophy 🤡ironic😂
The video maker is probably a ronaldo fan 😂
Did you know that there isn’t a single major tournament where Pessi hasn’t been carried. Copa America shouldn’t even be recognized, but the midget from Rosario gave up on his country and was harassed into playing for them again, only for his team to carry him to his first international trophy. Don’t even get me started on the 2022 World Cup. The games were staged for Pessi to win in, he was given a penalty every game. FIFA launched an investigation but it was swept under the carpet by DePaul’s dad (who is in FIFA) because they love Pessi so much. Every single champions league win was because of other players, not him, he just turned up, walked around the pitch, showed no passion for the game. If anything Pessi is a disgrace to the sport, incredibly egotistical and self-centered. Did you know he barred Garnacho from barely playing this tournament just because he likes Ronaldo, talk about putting himself before the team😂😂😂. Anyways Pessi is a fraud and is better compared with Luiz Diaz, than Ronaldo who has cemented himself as the greatest player of all time.
@@yusufkhan4621its been 2 years since the world cup and your still crying
With Messi's playmaking and Ronaldo's ability to score from that, If they were on the same team then that would create an unstoppable force. If the other team would try to stop Ronaldo then Messi would be there to cover his weaknesses. I think Ronaldo covers Messi's weaknesses to a lesser extent than Messi would cover Ronaldo but I could see Ronaldo pulling out some insane risky stuff if the team is in a losing position. Its not really worth it to compare them because of all the different factors that come into play, all we can do is be glad that we were graced with two kings of football and not just one.
Would be amazing if Ronaldo signed for Miami
People talk about ronaldo scoring way more goals than Messi and Messi’s a playmaker when Messi has more goals per 90 than ronaldo
im honestly so baffled how this comparison even came about, i believe it was the casuals, media hype and Barca x madrid rivalry that forced a debate that didn't even exist. their footballing abilities are galaxies or even universes apart. its honestly so disrespectful to both of their legacies that they were even compared in the first place. you could make a case until about 2010 but apart from that its not even close
Ronaldo vs Messi was one of the main marketing points building up to the UCL final in 2009. Ronaldo was the previous best player in the world and Messi was on the up making a case for himself. Then Ronaldo moved to Madrid and the idea of a rivalry stuck.
2010... When both hadn't peaked yet? Indian Messi fans are like climate change deniers.
@@TREPIIID indian?
Galaxies seriously are u drunk
@@drisskettani1692 just watch a single game from both of them. there is nothing to compare
I am a big fan of Ronaldo, and I have accepted that Messi is a better and more successful player. However, nothing can change the admiration I have for Ronaldo as my idol. You can have a favorite player without having to elevate them above others or hate their rivals
true ❤
The debaters are fanboys. He who knows who's better simply knows.
Exactly. Everyone who is neutral and understands something about football knows who is better. There is a reason why there is a consensus among coaches that he is the best of his generation.
And he’s not gonna stop scoring almost at 900 goals at 40 years old
@@brohdez8857 Lol
everyone knows who's the goat 🇵🇹
@@galactica604another fanboy
There was never a true comparison. Just media. Messi is levels higher.
What’s with these fans saying the media hyped Ronaldo up? The media has always favored Messi so ytf would they try to put cr7 on a pedestal if they are constantly criticizing him even when he plays good, let’s not forget when cr7 went from 3 ballon d’ors down to tying with Messi 5, cr7 in his prime is the greatest player in history
@@strikerfc-gv7pc greatest player in history would win world cup 🙄. Greatest player would give assist as good as he is scoring goals. Defo not ronaldo
@@Ajayharrysimon with that logic
Pele>>>> any other player
@@Ajayharrysimon before messi won the world cup, yall said that you don't need a world cup to be the GOAT but now all of a sudden, when messi has won it, yall can say that you should definetly win the world cup to be the GOAT. And I'm on messi's side, I can agree that messi is the GOAT, but to say that it was never a debate, and the media pushed it, is simply wrong, ronaldo always was competitive with messi.
@@monsterrrrgaming Nope. The moment Messi won a sextuple with Barcelona we knew that he was gonna be the GOAT...
Ive seen R9s regen in CR7. Then he was regened in mbappe. Weve seen guys like that before. Guys like Messi dont just pop out in the next generation.
I do think that both messi and Ronaldo are the best in history. Maradona and pele have been outshined by how long both these titans have done it and how consistent they've been. Football will never be as enjoyable as it was back then.
@@jozc4273 Pele clear of everyone you just mentioned. His only flaw was the fact he played in an era much less athletically gifted than today and that’s not even a personal shortcoming. He was extremely technically gifted, and laid the foundations for football as we know it today. He was basically MJ playing in Bill Russell’s era
CR7 + Mbappe = R9
Cr7 is different from mbappe and r9
CR7 heading, playmaking, weak foot, skills, dribbling, free kicks, penalties, defending, are all better than R9s, lmfao stop it
@@technica6338 weak foot ? Skills ? DRIBBLING ? Cr7 sucks at free kicks
Cope. Messi is light years ahead and better than
people like him an this video are the problem
2 copa america now
no way this video wasnt recorded before euros
I regret coming to this Toxic comment Section ...I am CR7 fan but I respect Messi Equally .. ...They have their own styles of Play...Grow up KIDS....
Talking about paradoxes, I think Messi is the true GOAT while Ronaldo is the pseudo goat 🐐
Messi can make any team better and badass. Ronaldo needs others to pass him the ball to score a goal. Anybody can score a goal but nobody can do what Messi can do
MESSI IS THE GOAT 🔥
@@r1ckyrusso Mauricio Pochettino is a trashy coach. Blame him and his stupid tactics
45 trophies vs 34 trophies
8 Ballons d'or vs 5 Ballons d'or
300+ MOTM vs 100+ MOTM
it’s was never a debate penaldo is lucky that messi got injured in. 2013
@@captainfalconmain6576 chill fam...you can respect your fav player while you respect the other players also
no need to drag someone down
As an American and someone that started watching soccer only a few years ago this is my flawed take.
Ronaldo is like a flashy receiver. Can make insane plays. Can win you a game on his athleticism alone. Major threat.
Messi is Tom Brady. Not physically impressive. Not the fastest. Not the strongest. But he is the smartest. And that allows him to exploit your flaws to win a game.
Both are legends. But one is, in my opinion, the better footballer. And elevates his teammates more. And that’s Messi.
messi goated
"Not physically impressive" Messi is one of the most physically impressive players i've seen. This man takes ground duels from defenders larger than him and still keeps running and dribbling. His strength is the most underrated part of him.
Underrated UA-camr. A great quality video. Thank you!
Messi is easily the better player and has always been. Better playmaker, dribbler, passer, arguably even scorer if we look at the advanced statistics. Also better teammate and less selfish. However, the amount of disrespect towards Ronaldo (which is exacerbated by how he acts nowadays) is crazy. People saying "it was never a debate" etc. People forget very quickly that Ronaldo only became a pure goalscorer in his last 3 years in Madrid. And that is thanks to his chronic knee injury which made him change his dribbling and freekick style. Before that...he was something else entirely
Messi should be compared to Modric or Ozil not Ronaldo. Ronaldo and Messi fulfill different needs so you can’t say that Messi is better player.
@@Way_Of_The_Light You can if you have eyes. Messi performs on par if not better for the role of Ronaldo and ozil simultaneously.
@@ally4131 Messi can’t be an areal threat. He definitely can’t replace Ronaldo’s exact role.
@@ally4131 lmfao you are so dumb
@@Way_Of_The_Light What a silly arguement?
imagine getting to tell your kids and grandkids that you got to witness these two at the same time, going head to head on a weekly basis. we really had it good.
Love your video . I’ve been on UA-cam a long time. Trust me your video style and presentation stands out. It’s a matter of time until you blow up
Messi is better, can’t get more simple than that
Nice video and well explained
The Debate was Over 2 years ago . 8 Finals. 6 Copa Finals 2 Won,4 Lost. 2 World Cup Finals 1 Won, Another Lost in Luck.
If this is your first channel, this is quite impressive for a first vid! Really like your delivery and your editing style feels very confident. Subbed and looking forward to more soft-spoken football breakdowns :)
appreciate it man! been around a while but never got down to posting consistently over the years. more videos are in the works so i’m glad you’re here for it 🤝
The deep truth is that Messi is clear 😂
100 percent
Outstanding video! God damn! Well done! I never understood the need of some people to declare one better than the other. It never made sense to me. All of us watching football for the past fifteen, twenty, twenty-five years were lucky to live in this era. Ronaldo showed his greatness first, being older. Messi appeared shortly after that. They gave us beautiful football...and don't forget it's a team sport. And don't forget the greats on other teams.
The argument was stupid, it was always stupid. How can you watch football, watch Madrid's three-in-a-row Champions League titles and not understand Ronaldo's greatness, his otherworldly ability to score goals at any moment, from seemingly anywhere? Remember he was not alone on that team.
How can you watch football, watch the alien telepathy of Guardiola's Barcelona, seemingly reading each other's minds, see Messi make elite defenders look like amateurs, and not understand Messi's greatness? He also had ten teammates.
And both, older than 35 years, are STILL better than, what?, at least 50% of the professionals now playing?
I got to see this. I count myself lucky. I'm a Barca fan, from before Messi was in the first team, but I count myself lucky to have been alive during their prime years. Who was better? Who is the GOAT? Who the fuck cares? The football was epic. It was glorious. It was beautiful. It was art in motion, for twelve or thirteen years. I got to see it. That's all I care about.
Great video! Looking forward to more!
the video is not available in 480p :(
What a great video! As an argentinian myself of course I prefer Messi for ovbious reasons, but I can't deny Ronaldo's talent and magnitude to this sport. Growing up as a teenager watching them play every weekend was something I truly treasure now as I am older, it was an unique time for football and we all enjoyed it so much that only now we are being conscious of what we witnessed. And even if I prefer Messi it's sad for me that Cristiano didn't won more trophies with his national team, he really deserved more, but even if he didn't no one can deny he's a legend.
The comments on these type of videos are always so nice to read arent they :)
finally a well written text on the two goats
Ronaldo is the guy who thinks it's him. Messi is him.
I feel like Messi is Yang and Ronaldo is Yin, especially with Ronaldo's general portrayal as the "villain". Also with how Yang is "light" and Yin is "darkness"... Messi is almost always positive and mostly avoids controversies, the same can't be same for Cristiano. And regarding charisma, just look at the way Argentina players treat Messi and compare it to how Portugal players treat Cristiano. Messi is a proper leader.
that’s another way of looking at it for sure
? portugal players treat cristiano ronaldo perfectly, you’re acting like argentina were always like this lmfao, where was messi’s leadership in copa america final 2007, 2014, 2015 & 2016?
@@Quipie they reached finals of 2014 15 16.
Isn't that an achievement in itself?
How many finals have portugal played all combined?😂😂
@@Quipie and yeah portugal players are all pis**d of at all the antics and tantrums ronaldo does just to be focal point in media and just force on the debate. Even his own teammates want him to hangup his boots.
Portugal has golden generation waiting to conquer the world but ronaldo sadly doesn't fits in.
It's not he is not good it's all about age and fading attributes he had to offer for his game and team.
@@vedaacharya9807reached the finals but lost them all, losing 3 consecutive finals isn’t an accomplishment, why are you acting like it is? 🤷♂️
It was never a debate. Messi been clear from the start it’s a media narrative to sell tickets and brands etc
Shut up kid
you seem like a soccer fan than a football one 😂
real madrid tax created the debate
So if it’s never a debate why they keep pampering Messi and rigging trophies for him.
@@brohdez8857 lmao is that really ur arguement, the coping is sad
I consider myself lucky to have been able to watch both players in their prime. They are true masters of their craft.
I’m just grateful that I got to live in an era where 2 of the greatest players existed at the same time. If Messi wins I’m happy if Ronaldo wins I’m happy. If one loses I’m not happy. I think the “rivalry” would be less toxic if people were more grateful for football giving us 2 legends 🔥
One is better at everything football related, the other one is just better looking.
dont let ishowspeed see this 😂😂😂
really well executed video I like how you brought the ideas of Yin and Yang and the paradox back at the end
Paradox is that Ronaldo is not even close to Messi. Great, but not Goat. Goat, but not God
Messi and MJ are GOATS 🐐🐐 of Football and Basketball
If Real Madrid is the best club in the world by having 14 UCL, then Messi is the best player in the world (over Ronaldo) by having 8 Ballon d Or, 6 Golden Boot, 1 WC and 2 Golden Ball
I am your 500th sub!
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Great video👏
Despite the toxic fanatics who will hopefully fade away with time, this rivalry and everything that was happening around it (the legendary Barcelona team that also was big part of the 2010 spain on of the best national teams, also the Madrid that absolutely dominated europe) is probably the best football event in history.
Messi won
I'm a Ronaldo fan, but I'm well aware that out of the 2, Messi is the better player, nevertheless I'll still prefer Ronaldo, not Because he is better but it's more of a matter of preference
we need more ronaldo fans like you thanks
amazing video , 800 subs is crazy
OP does not understand "Paradox"
Amazing video
glad you enjoyed it 🤝
Good video 🔥
They are both the goats. They both respect each other no matter what, meanwhile both fan base do not respect each other which is sad
Amazing video, my brother!
There’s nothing wrong with having two GOAT. Someone being good at something doesn’t mean another wouldn’t be good at it aswell.
You know what the abbreviation stands for😂
This video is nice and shows great respect for both of them, but mises context extremely by not going into in depth analysis to show exactly who is the better, more complete player, it also fails to mention glaring flaws these two had, so while I appreciate the effort the video is not real analytical look at them
appreciate the feedback but the video was never intended to be an in depth analysis and comparison. it was always about looking at their rivalry in a different angle and appreciating both players. glad you enjoyed it though :)
@@ehzardo I would appreciate it more if it was clearer since the title and the start of the video made it look like an in depth analysis, but the video has a nice production value and very nice editing style, so great effort
@@ehzardo it doesnt make sense to present the video in a very "rivalry" manner and then say it's not about the rivalry. Click-bait.
@@jorgeherrera1074 title is "The Ronaldo vs Messi Paradox". not the "Ronaldo vs Messi rivalry".
the intro explains how most people see it as a rivalry, but quite clearly states "Is the greatest rivalry in football actually hiding a deeper truth?". the paradox is then explained. how exactly is this click-bait...
After years and years of bullying Messi and after he won 8 golden balls + 2 COPA+ world cup and no any results from Cr7 in Euro and WC after all that let's say that Messi only little bit better than Cr7.
🤷 WTF
i truely believe both pushed each other to never known heights
Absolutely fantastic video, I'm glad that for once the video with few views in my recommendations is not a poorly made TTS narrated video, but instead a very beautifully thought out and inspiring video.
I hope there's more success coming your way, you're doing great!
On the topic: The era of them will always be special to me, even though I was just a kid, I've seen Messi since he was starting to leave a mark at Barca.
I have great respect for both players in different ways, minus CR7 going to Saudi Arabia, which taints his legacy not as footballer but as a person in my eyes.
The only thing is: I will see goals like Ronaldo's again. Probably not as many over such a long period of time, but still they will always exist.
I've never seen a player who moves like Messi and I sadly don't think I ever will again. No tricks, just a man with the ball glued to his feet who knows what the defender will do next before he does. It feels impossible to recreate.
I'm just grateful to have witnessed all of this.
appreciate the kind words my friend. really glad you enjoyed it and there will be many more videos to come 🙏❤️
I believe that both of these players were great but a bit unfair. The media pressured them into a long rivalry and that’s how they were able to win multiple Ballan D’ors.
messi is far better and any attempt at setting them up as equals is an attempt to mention ronaldo as the goat.
messi is the goat, ronaldo might be 2nd or 3rd best, but nowhere near messi.
Awesome video, you've gained a sub
Messi
There wasn't a rivalry to begin with , Messi is clearly far better player from every angle since early 2010 , media exploited the rivaly for their gains and Ronaldo's own egoistic comments
like "i am the best " and then " I don't want anyone to push me (in 2017 Balon D'or ceromony) Pushed it even further , but again look at his hypocrisy at 2022 where ronaldo says "We both push each other"
Clearly messi is better and ronaldo is so self-observed with being better at Messi , But he failed
and IT WASN"T EVEN CLOSE
it was not close at all that’s right ❤
Messi always been Clear of Ronaldo, Just so happened that Ronaldo Played for 3 of the Biggest Clubs of all time (Man United, Real Madrid and Juventus) so his Fanbase is huge asf. The media boosted This rivalry (As they should because they were the two best in the world in the same league From 2009-2018) But it was always clear who was the better player….And that was Messi.
Stats say Messi’s Better
Individual Awards say Messi’s Better
Trophies say Messi’s Better
Eye Test Says Messi’s better
Messi is the Greatest of All time 🐐🇦🇷
Messi literally played for Barcelona alongside sone of the greatest to ever do it and was boosted by the media because in retrospect it was clear cr7 is better
The stats say Ronaldo’s better
The build says Ronaldo’s better
The world says Ronaldo’s better
Absolute beast 🐐🇵🇹
@@strikerfc-gv7pc Last time I checked Barca is 1 Big club compared to 3 of the biggest clubs that Ronaldo played for…..Yea Messi played with great Players during his time at Barca but Ronaldo also played with world class players throughout his Career with all those teams also.
-Kroos
-Modric (Balon dor winner while playing with Ronaldo)
-Benzema (Balon dor winner)
-Rooney
-Fernidad
-Paul Scholes
-Vidic
-Tevez
-Di María
-Ozil
-Bale
-Casillas
-Sergio Ramos
-Marcelo
-Pepe
-Casemiro
-Buffon
-Van der Sar
-Keylor Navas
-Giggs
-Nani
-Carvajal
-Xabi Alonso
-Varane
-Isco
-Joao Cancelo
-Chiellini
-Bonucci
Etc……
They both had great supporting cast but what that gotta do with their Individual Performance??? Messi was literally the Heart of Barca, Bringing the ball up from the midfield, Playmaking, assisting, Scoring, Free kicks, etc.
Ronaldo was getting fed especially from 2015/16-2017/18 With Real Madrid all these Easy goals, Getting served on a Plate from Modric, Marcelo, Kroos and Benzema…..
By what Stats Is Ronaldo better??? Goals (Because he played 150+ More games than Messi) and Header goals? LMAOOO
Messi more Assist, G/A, Goal Ratio, G/A Ratio, More Golden boots, More Balon dors, More World cup KO goals, Most goals in La liga history, More International KO goals, More International KO G/A, More wins Head to Head against Ronaldo, More Goals head to Head, More assist head to head, More G/A head to head, Better Match Ratings than Ronaldo, More MOTM than Ronaldo, More Playmaker awards than Ronaldo, More International Player of the tournaments, More International Finals goals, More Finals Goals, Most Goals in a Calendar year with 91 (2012), Most assist in a Calendar year with 37 (2011), Most G/A in a Calendar year with 113 (2012), Most goals in a Season with 50 (2011/12), More Free kicks than Ronaldo, More NON Penalty goals than Ronaldo, More Hattricks without Penalty’s than Ronaldo…..I could go On and On.
Every manger and Player says Messi is better than Ronaldo, the only ones who say Ronaldo’s better are his teammates, Or Ex teammates and Ex managers💀. So who’s the “World” Because it seems like the World always chooses Messi, And I thought the “World” was against Ronaldo🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️, Ronaldo fans play victim so much it’s so funny.
Real Madrid has always been a GREAT club before and After Ronaldo, Madrid already won more La ligas after Ronaldo (3) Than what they won with Ronaldo from 2009-2018 which was 2. They also already won 2 Champions leagues since Ronaldo left…..Ronaldo was apart of a built System. MESSI WAS THE SYSTEM, Tell me what Has Barca accomplished besides Winning La liga last season and Getting Promoted to the Europa league two seasons in a row after Messi left.
Messi is the Goat and everyone knows it, Just accept the Facts. Messi clears Ronaldo 🐐🇦🇷
(Bro really said Ronaldo’s “Build” is better🤣🤣🤣🤡🫵🏼) I can’t with this Delusional Fanbase.
@@dsavage6618 nobody asked for a whole book of tears bro
@@strikerfc-gv7pc Well u got a whole book of Fax lil bro, CRY🤣🤡
@@strikerfc-gv7pc Well u got a Whole book of fax lil bro, CRY🤣🤡
Wow! Very well laid down
nice video man.
Great Video🎉
Ronaldo: Messi is my greatest rival and pushes me to become a greater player
Messi: I don't even know who you are
That’s funny how Messi has a interview from decade ago where he says him and Ronaldo r separate from everyone else. Die hard Messi or Ronaldo fans r horrible for the sport.
Really man ? You really had to type that? Shame on you
Ronaldo and messi both have made many statements showing respect to each other
Panaldo says: his greatest
Messi(football GOD): I don’t compare with them fking tap in😂😂😂😂
Bro has no knowledge abt football 💀
Messi is definitely better than Ronaldo. It's not even close.
yep ❤
2008 I was CR7 fan and 2011 UCL final Messi fan . What a paradox
Tbh, I’m tired of the “one was a machine one a magician” comments. Messi was always obviously better than Ronaldo. This was a forced debate.
it's definitely not a forced debate and you have no ball knowledge
@@gewnurb nah, I do. I’ve been watching top flight football since 2012, don’t use terms like “ball knowledge” just bc they make you sound somewhat smart. Cristiano Ronaldo was nowhere near Leo Messi’s level. Watching Messi play felt like there was an extra dimension to his game that normal humans were too stupid to understand. The guy was just born for playing football.
@@ayaan9646 you mean 2012 or 2022?
to me, ronaldo isn't even in the conversation for goat. it goes
1. messi
2. pele
3. maradona
4. cr ronaldo
his iconic noodle hair era😂
I happen to admire and appreciate both players. They have different styles, we should celebrate them both.
It's definitely not a rivalry lol messi clear of Ronaldo in eye test and stats
2008 cr7>>> over prime Messi and 2008 wasn’t even Ronaldo’s prime 😂
@@strikerfc-gv7pc Its deep when you have to reply to every single comment trying to convince people Ronaldo is better. Look around bro, Its over. Messi won the debate. Let it go.
When it comes to eye test I think Ronaldo is better because ITS MY OPINION.
@@HsjBanahMessi is nothing but controversial
Even messi disagree with your opinion bro , we know messi is better but messi dont put anyone in his class except ronaldo , he stated that in a few interview
It was never a debate. Ronaldo is a great player, but Messi is on another level.
i agree debeta only started because of madrid pr
I can’t say one is better than the other, it simply doesn’t bring justice to either of these two goats, both are incredible geniuses of its generation simply the best of the best
They set the bar way too high... no disrespect to Vini, but the fact that he might win a Balon DOr this season, and comparing it to any of those 13 BDO the have combined is just sad