Sig / GSG "1911" vs Colt "1911" 22.lr
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- This is a comparison between the Sig / GSG "1911" to the Colt "1911" in 22.lr. I discuss all major parts and differences in general to give you a no "BS" viewpoint that will help you make a decision on which pistol suits you better. If you want to see how both pistols perform, please take a look at my individual Colt and Sig 1911 reviews:
Sig "1911" 22.lr review: • Sig Sauer "1911" 22.lr...
Colt "1911" 22.lr review: • Colt 1911 "Rail Gun" 2... - Спорт
Regarding the recent SigSauer/GSG 1911-22lr from 2019+ the plastic guide rod is gone, it's been replaced by a full sized metal one (looks the same as the plastic one). Also the slide release has been upgraded, there is a steel pin injected into the aluminum slide so there should no longer be problems with it being non functional over time. I just got back from range and I can tell that the trigger is a master piece, overall no malfunctions on HV ammo, haven't tried the regular one tho.
Thanks for the update, 3 years on would you recommend it? & how does it go with standard velocity?
5 years later.. still a great video! just ordered a colt 1911 .22 for $250 off PSA! I also picked up a S&w Ar 15-22 for 299 at the same time. going to be a couple of fun little plinkers.
EXTREMLY helpful !!! Thank You. Leaning toward the Colt, and install an aftermarket Guide Rod and Better trigger and Sear.
Great review. I have been trying to decide which one of the for months now. I'm going with the Sig Sauer for my first handgun
Cool mate, glad you enjoyed the review...
****Update****....there are magazine upgrades available for the Colt models also. With the mods you can get 16 rounds in a magazine. search "Colt 1911 magazine Upgrades" on youtube. I just got a Colt model with a couple Xtra mag's. 3x16 + 1 in chamber = 49 rounds.
Good review, after having a Sig Mosquito I would take the Colt any day.
Nice fair evaluation. Once you consider cost Sig or GSG is very favorable. Also the myth of about the GSG or Sig pot metal is total ignorance on the part of the readers. Just do a search on Google for 30,000 rounds in a GSG and see how little wear it has for that number. How many people put 10,000 rounds through a weapon let alone 30,000? That review about 30,000 was some years ago and I expect to see another once they hit 50,000 rounds...
I bought the Colt Gold Cup with no regrets. Fully adjustable vs, fixed sights a deal maker or breaker for me. (I have a Ruger, a Smith 22A, Buckmark and Target Wrangler - The Colt my favorite toy.)
Gday again , yeah I was going to buy the colt 1911 rail gun but I did opt for the Sig in the end. I did find this review very helpfull as I will only be running CCI through it at the range , I recon there both great I might end up with both yet, time will tell , cheers for the heads up it was a good review mate. Steve.
Both are good pistols that have advantages over each other… hence the reason I bought both!
Just got my GSG 1911 ad ops and love it. I'm not quite sure if the guide rod in mine was plastic, it seems to heavy to be plastic and it tings pretty good against metal. Although it's not magnetic doesn't mean it's not alloy either but doesn't matter cuz I immediately ordered new guide rod system from Tandemkross but the bushing on the first one I ordered was very tight on the slide and was deemed out of spec. Currently waiting for my replacement kit but I'm really diggin this GSG.
I've just joined my local gun club in WA, so when I'm eventually allowed to buy a firearm in around 8 months time, I'll be looking closely at the Sig or the GSG 1911. They're both significantly cheaper than the Colt or any of the other derivatives. My son always goes to work with his best pal Mr Glock, and he's pushing me towards a Glock 44. It looks cheap, weighs nothing and seems to have an overabundance of polymer. My preference is for an all-metal, or mostly metal gun with a bit of weight to it, and there's a few around reasonably priced, one of them being the Sig.
This video has made my decision that little bit easier, so thanks for posting. I spend a lot of time on UA-cam looking at the various offerings out there, even though it will be some time before I can get one legally in my hot little hands. I'm also looking at the Ruger MK4, the Browning Camper, and the Smith Victory. No short list as yet, just going through the motions...
i just ordered the colt gold trophy. i looked everywhere on forums on both. all the gsg's and sigs reports they break around 4000rnds. then after the replacement some other parts would break sortly after and get replaced as the round count climbed to 47k it was a crazy list of parts replaced. the Walther colt has almost no complaints and most the complaints are answered with a 10$ part, a better recoil spring that allows cheap standard velocity ammo to work and even more ammo's to select from if not all. also the Walther/colt mags are way more expensive then they should ever be. the gsg seems to have had more people who have gotten it and detailed the life of the gun as the round count climbed. i still can't find many round counts for the walther just a few competition shooters who have gotten to 10k without any problems or signs. but no one has documented anything.
Your video was very informative and helpful. Good JOB!!! :)
+PhantomPiney Thank you sir!
Me too , I enjoyed this review and comparison,..good job, and thanks for the time you spent in making it.
Cheers
No problem Reg, glad you enjoyed watching it...
Great comparative review. Thank you. Where do you get the grips for the Sig?? Very nice
Gday mate.......Thks for the video matey.......awaiting my provisional license n will be waiting another 6 mths before I get my first .22 Colt
Enjoyed the easy understanding..... Once again .... Thks....
No problem
Great comparison! Thank you.
Great review mate
Awesome review as usual!
Thanks mate, I appreciate that
Thanks for review 😊.
How did go with both guns after 10 years.
Please compare 1911 & Bretta M9 in 22lr❤
Cheers
Excellent comparison!
Thanks Byron
Are both of these guns compatible with standard 1911 parts such as the hammer and trigger I have the government model Colt 22 I would like to put in a skeletonized hammer and trigger
Very comprehensive information Sir
Great review as always. Helped make a decision for me. Cheers mate
No worries, so which one are you leaning towards Scott?
Going to give the Colt a run I think. I'll let you know how she goes.
Scott Humphreys Cool, do that...
Is the top slide interchangeable? If there's such wear and tear on the Sig/GSG one can't you buy an after market topslide of simular weight?
Yes, the best aftermarket top slide for the SIG/GSG is the exoskeleton from CWA accessories...
Can ANYONE tell me where to get GSG 1911 upgrade parts from in Australia? Tandemkross, CW, ZR etc accurizing kits, slides, guide rods, barrels and adjustable sights? There's about a zillion of these great little guns in Australia surely SOMEONE imports quality parts?
I've got a sig and the reset on the trigger is so short it couldn't get any better.
My 6 months is up in December im going for the colt 1911 rail gun. Want to put a bridge mount and optic on it at some point.
Got my Colt rail gun last week and I'm quite happy with it. Superstore has it at $299. Really wanted the FDE finish but those are rarely in stock it seems and I was done waiting. Magazines are still priced too high, and I felt the owner's manual lacked details about the gun itself, focusing on safety. Safety is paramount but more details on the gun would be better.
Here's a tip for Colt owners that's not in the book: When breaking the gun down, after you remove the spring, align the slide notch with the slide stop. Grab the muzzle with the barrel pointing down and give the gun a little shake. You'll probably hear the spring guide drop down. Now you can press the slide stop out with your fingertip instead of using a tool as the book instructs you to do. Making the spring guide drop away from the slide stop lets it pop right out, otherwise it's going to be a struggle. I wonder how many have scratched their new Colt by following the manual? I practiced until I can do it with my eyes closed. 😅
I'll suggest a light oiling before hitting the range the first time. Mine was pretty dry but had black grease on the spring guide and mag well.
One last quirk... Seems odd to me that the thumb safety only engages with the hammer back. Am I wrong?
Happy, happy beer can hunter! No regrets.
Thanks a lot ! useful review, a lot of assets to make the choice. But it still hard to decide :) quick questions : what about sight ?
additional info : witch grip is that ?
Thanks Christophe…
The grip is a hogue 1911 grip, it's available from brownells.com and other good retailers worldwide!
great vid! and you are correct I am one of those who is not sure which .22 1911 to go with. from your video I am favoring the colt. have you tried different types of ammo for the colt and have you had any issues with any of the ammo? any feeding issues or stove piping? thanks!!
None, it shoots hyper velocity, high velocity and subtonics without any issues...
Great vid as always mate. Very helpful, cheers!
Great review mate. Can the rear sight be changed on colt 1911 in 22 LR. Will any government 1911 sight fit???
It can be changed but not compatible with standard 1911 rear sights. Check out 'Dawson Precision' as I am running their sights now and they make them specifically for the Colt Rail Gun… they are hi-viz sights and I'm really happy with them...
Cheers for the video, helped a lot.
You're welcome, thanks for watching...
Where do you get the GSG magazine modification for 16 rounds??? Thanks,
search Nictaylor00 on youtube
You can actually have these in Australia?
Thanks ***** for an excellent review. I am a first time pistol owner and find your reviews extremely useful and I am learning a great deal each time i watch your channel. I am indeed looking at the 1911 .22 myself and hope to learn about the hardware. are you a dealer based by any chance? I certainly hope so, i'd like to buy from some one who is competent and knows what they are selling.
Thanks for your comments Richard, no I am not a dealer, just a shooter who loves the sport/hobby and wants to educate people that firearm ownership is not a bad thing...
Nice video you got me bought on the colt 1911
Thanks Peter, glad you enjoyed it… The Colt is a solid performer no doubt about it!
got a gsg slide cheap paint picky on ammo had sand bottem of slide and receiver common issue
Great breakdown and comparison of everything mate. I've recently ordered the "colt" and was wondering where in Aus you ordered the Wilson Combat sear and disconnector from? Cheers
Thanks mate… I got the Wilson Combat gear from Cleavers as they had the sear, disconnector and other parts on the shelf… The sear and disconnector I got is the "bullet proof" series from Wilson Combat too, which is a higher end version of their normal parts I'm told…
Cheers for the reply. Ah gotchya, I can only look on their website as I'm down in Canberra. I'll definitely invest in the sear and disconnector though. Also, with the hogue grips, did you just reuse the standard grip screw bushings and screws? cheers mate
seabs300 Yep sure did mate...
is it legal (western aus) to mount a fore grip to the underside rail of a pistol or does it make it a short barreled rifle like in american
I don't know about the WA laws sorry…
Accidentally dropped my GSG and the thumb safety fell off on impact and Plunger set flew off, found the spring at least, but farewell too the pins 😢
do you know what the trigger weight on the colt before and after mods??
It's been a while, but I think it was 6lbs down to 4lbs
Is there a difference between this colt and the colt "gold cup"?
Adjustable rear sight on Gold Cup....
I enjoyed the comparison.
Thanks for watching Joe...
awesome review! thank you, sir!! :-)
You're welcome
Is there a alternative 1911 in 22lr with less flaws?I'm looking for a solid competition pistol.
+Mcnugget I know Browning have done one now but it's something like 80% of the full size (Ihaven't used it) and you have the Kimber 1911 22s
I'll look into
Where can I get a set of those grips for my GSG 1911?
Landry Perrin
www.hogueinc.com/grips/1911/gov/rubber
Great review, in fact, my dilemma whether to purchase the Sig has now been put to bed. Colt it will be.
Nice choice! Be sure to give me a range report when you get one ok?
Great video! Thanks
No problem, I hope it was what people were chasing...
Thanks for the review! I've been eying a 1911 in .22 for my first handgun. I just recently joined a range and my orientation was done with a GSG. Nice trigger and the heft was decent. I was told if I got one to avoid using plain lead rounds and hollow points. As thay were well known to cause a majority of failures (FTE, FTF, as well as stovepiping). Probably going to still be a little while before I can get one anyways...
No, it's not the plain lead rounds, it's standard velocity that the GSG doesn't cycle too well, so the info you were given is kinda right but not exactly… a lot of standard velocity ammo are solids, but check out my review of the GSG and you can see what is working with it…
Will do. Does lead build up in the barrel from extensive use?
No different to any other semi-auto 22...
@@ozziereviews you have to polish the slide rails.
It seems the Colt will eat everything but the Sig has the better trigger OTB. The Colt is a sturdier pistol but the sig breaks down a little easier. I would think that if you're going to be in all kinds of weather firing either one of these pistols the Colt would probably have the reliability edge. I'm the type that will go to the range twice a month and fire about 100 - 150 rds of 22 at a time. So, price is not that much of an issue. I also have a Springfield 45 Mil Spec and usually fire about 50 rds at the same outing. It boils down to personal preference because BOTH appear to be well made. My preference is the Colt (Walther)Ozzie gave out a treasure trove of info and thank you so much, excellent job!
You're welcome Michael, thanks for watching
What parts did you replace in the colt to lighten & improve trigger?
sear and disconnector along with the mainspring
Hi Ozzie great review as usually
I replaced both the sear and disconnector with Wilson combat billet proof parts the trigger weight is still
Very heavy as 7.5pounds it only reduced the trigger pull by 1pound can you recommend a main spring or anything else to reduce the pull a lot. I was hoping close to 4-5pounds
Outstanding review of two very nice "practice-time" 1911's--that pretty much sums it up for me in that I use my GSG 1911-22 to train "more *affordably*" with .22lr vs. .45ACP round...Even though the .22lr ammo market is going through an entirely unprecedented period now as supply/demand/price all are now fluidly volatile whereby any given day both supply and price are subject to change...Walmart, for example, is prone to seeing shoppers turn out early AM after delivery trucks arrive subsequently grabbing (*hoarding*) may be a better term in these cases) bricks in volume as it flies off the shelves as quickly as it's stocked...Nevertheless, when .22lr ammo can be had the GSG or equivalent as seen in this very good review can be a fabulous training tool or just all-around fun plinking gun.
Thank you for your supportive comments… Yeah I have been watching the ammo 'crisis' in the US closely and it's a bad situation there right now…
I learned with experience that the only way to train for a 45 p is with a 45 acp, but that's just me I guess
If you can afford it, sure… go for it!
***** Ditto--in a perfect world I don't need my GSG to be sure. Now in the real world .45acp ammo is FOUR times the costs of .22lr (.43c vs .10c per round).
Yeah exactly…
Thx from over sea for the great review ;)
Thanks mate, I appreciate the comment…!
what grips did you put on the Colt one
Standard Hogue 1911
Got some shooting coming up for the review?
No, just the shooting for each original Sig and Colt reviews as per the links...
Well Done! Thanks!
I think Sig has better trigger, mag, and barrel...Pieces - parts...
Yeah there are a lot of positives to it but the Colt is more compatible with various ammo, so it depends on what your preference is…
I have a friend that "HAD" a Sig, I let him shoot my Colt and he walked out of the range into the gun store part and traded it in on a Colt 1911 Government model 22LR just like mine.
I shot his Sig and it felt like a toy compared to the Colt. The Colt has more of the feel of a 1911 where the Sig just don't have the heft.
Both are great guns but the Sig would be fine if you never fired the Colt.
I'm talking out of the box guns with "NO" modification at all.
My friend and myself actually liked the Colt 12 round magazines better then the Sigs. No reason except they just seemed smoother and just felt nice going in or dropping.
I can't say the Colt is better, But I can say if you do have a Sig, Do "NOT" shoot a Colt, Especially if your a 1911 45 person.
Yes they do have some pluses and minuses for both in my view, but I think I like the Colt that bit better myself. I'd just like to see a more sturdy barrel on the Colt...
I have over 2,500 rounds through my Colt with no problems at all, The barrel still looks like new inside. It is still very accurate and I mostly shoot Winchester M or CCI Mini-Mags, Abut 500 rounds were American Eagle.
I don't think there will be any problem at all with this barrel on my Colt,
Both are good guns but I prefer the Colt because it just feels way better then Jack's Sig did.
I have put a lot of rounds through my Colt also, very reliable with all types of ammo...
useful video as usual
thanks mate
Now look, this video was “ok”, but I have seen others on the same subject that I preferred over this one.
thank you
Thanks
I own the GSG 1911 22 and the only complaint i have is the considerable wear in the area of the slide stop notch.
I have about 3000/4000 rounds through it and often have to dress the peening in that area.
STI has sent me a replacement slide but i wish it were made from a harder material, maybe they will address this.
I'm using a fitted barrel bushing and tapered barrel thread protector (it's a tight lock-up), a 30% stronger slide spring, 4lb. trigger with almost no creep. disabled magazine release safety, disabled grip safety and a polished trigger group.
This is a great shooting 1911 and very accurate.
I only hope they will make a stronger slide material, or put a steel insert in the area around the slide stop notch...
You need to check out "CWA Exoskeleton" slide as it'll fix your issue…
***** Yeah, I may have to eventually but they are half the price of the gun.
I may buy the colt, how many rounds do you have through yours and is it holding up? How is the slide stop wear?
Thanks
Nil issues on the Colt slide after thousands of rounds…
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Thanks, Exoskeleton though pricy may be the best solution
It's the only solution that I know of...
Hey
I'm not a contract shooter, but I"m in the process of doing my h license. are you legally allowed to use pistols when you are on a job? I know farmers in qld can have them, but rec shooters can only use them at the range, so where does that leave you?
G'Day mate "owabout adding a "ROO BAR"" to 'er! Both are a bit bodgy when compared to a fair dinkum 1911! But think of the rack of VB stubbies It'll Buy with the savings! Well this Cali.Seppo has to do the Harold Holt! CHEERS!
thanks champ, colt for me.. great review
Cheers Pete glad you liked it...
In the States we call "zinc alloy"
"pot metal".... 🙏🏻
Of course the colt is better :-). But I'm biased!
Good review Ozzie!
LOL of course you are! The Sig is nice too…!
Id prefer German engineering to USA no offense. A
Sig arms in regards to the .22 caliber is the pits. I have had several of them and was quite disappointed in all of them. Due to the quality of the name Sig Arms I was delighted when they made their .22 handguns. However the delight soon faded to aggravation. There is simply no excuse for these guns to perform as sadly as they do perform and it should not be up to use the consumer to rework them so they will function. With the cost and problems of obtaining .22 ammo good CCI is almost impossible to obtain and if you can it will be quite high in price. So in our new world a crappy gun is but a crappy gun.
Now the colt is a joy to shoot, and it runs perfectly. I have no complaints with it as of yet and you can use any ammo that you might happen to find at an economical price and even the bulk ammo will hold 1.25 to 2 inch groups at 25 yards.
I find all these reviews to be amusing, as everyone is simply afraid to tell it like it is, and there is no excuse for a crappy gun like the Sigs to be even considered, as for them to work you will have to polish, fiddle, and even then they are not perfectly reliable with available ammo. The colt is reliable, and runs perfectly.
I obviously own both… I did the individual review of both also and I had no major issues with the Sig, I found it's trigger better than the Colt but as for the slide, I mention it here too, so I don't give people BS nor am I afraid to say it how it is from my actual usage. If the Sig had screwed up round after round, I can assure you I'd be one of the first to mention it… However it works well for me...
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You will not find me to be as the normal person who will not speak their mind. I have had two 19ll Sig .22 pistols. Both malfunctions greatly with CCI ammo which is the best we can obtain to use for function and reliability. I have never understood why some will defend a maker or any product when problems do exist with such product, perhaps it is a sign of our times when all things are simply accepted as normal.
For myself out of the box any product be it a pistol or whatever should function as designed or it is not even a consideration.
Folks today cannot get CCI, and if they can it will be purchased at an extraordinary price and the amount will be limited. So in this new realm of reality I recommend the colt over a great many others as yes a well made pistol and one that will actually function right out of the box.
When one pistol has function problems out of the box I fail to see why it would even be considered. But that is me, one who will call it like it is. I was greatly disappointed in Sig and their .22 pistols both this 1911 and the Mosquito. Sig center fire pistols are one of the best in the world, so it was a big let down with these pistols in .22 caliber. What I am saying is it does not have to be as that Colt is the Cats Meow.......
You make your preference known, so instead of comparing weights, measurements accurately to give the listener facts, you offer your opinion biased one way!
Looking for a plinker it was an easy decision for me. 300 bucks for a sig, 800 for a colt.
Hickcock 45 ran cheap amo thu the sig just fine
had the GSG, its a flimsy pos, tat beaver tail is hideous and the safety is rough to say the least
OK, looks like you do not know which gun is best. haaaa Long explaination for a "I don't really know" Bet you do.
Colt invented the 1911 so ill stick with the original designer
Except, the Colt is made by Walther not Colt so, it has nothing to do with the Colt design. Also, the M1911 Colt pistol was designed by John Browning not Sam Colt. Colt had been dead for over 40 years when John Browning designed the M1911.
colt hands down is better
Using cast zinc aka pot metal for an important moving part is nonsense, it's soft and it breaks easily. Cheap, avoid.
The amount of sintered alloy makes me cringe. I bet if you actually tried to bend the slide on the sig, you could with bare hands.
+whole our I can't do that with my bare hands, it's not that weak, but I would have preferred to have a proper metal slide with some cut outs to make it lightweight enough to cycle the 22.lr
Interesting comparison !
Great review mate
Cheers!