Vocal Coach reacts to (and is terrified by) SKYND - Richard Ramirez

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  • @kcrich1310
    @kcrich1310 3 роки тому +225

    If you're gonna react to SKYND you gotta do Tyler Hadly and Jim Jones. More vocal range on those songs...........

  • @Andy_from_de
    @Andy_from_de 3 роки тому +88

    So glad you got to discover Skynd. This isn't the video I would recommend for a first time discovery, Skynd do have videos that are a bit easier to digest. But you held yourself like a pro and saw the amazing vocalist behind the enigma of the mask!

    • @James-lr3xg
      @James-lr3xg 3 роки тому

      what would you recommend from them?

    • @Andy_from_de
      @Andy_from_de 3 роки тому +6

      @@James-lr3xg if you want to avoid the gory visuals, Jim Jones, Eliza Lam, Michelle Carter and maybe Columbine. All are of course still very intense due to the topic, but not as "bloody" as Ramirez or the other songs released so far.

    • @cannarun
      @cannarun 3 роки тому

      @@James-lr3xg Man) There are too few of them to choose. Check out EVERY!
      Straight in order, and you can not necessarily at the same time

    • @cannarun
      @cannarun 3 роки тому +1

      @@Andy_from_de I think this is definitely no worse than starting with Gary Heidnik, as most do
      And this one is one of my favorites

  • @schelin1447
    @schelin1447 3 роки тому +70

    This band supported BABYMETAL on their tour in 2019...I love that. SKYND represent the darkest of human kind and BABYMETAL the opposite!

    • @katharinaeddins499
      @katharinaeddins499 2 роки тому +3

      Yes, that's exactly how I first discovered them and it fit together SO well, really impressive :)

    • @denisk9880
      @denisk9880 9 місяців тому +1

      Да Skynd и BabyMetal отличные группы.

  • @JW-28
    @JW-28 9 місяців тому +3

    "Im concerned for her" 😂😂 i died

  • @portiadavenport9866
    @portiadavenport9866 3 роки тому +78

    Her make up in this production is on point...its actually the sound wave for a scream :) You may notice that in almost all her videos there are 3 characters I interpret them as 1)the observer 2) the demon and 3) Angel of Death...could be wrong but that's my take

    • @AshokaMazda
      @AshokaMazda 3 роки тому +6

      Glad you mentioned the Soundwave of the scream as I was going to do so myself. When I learned of that I thought it was an amazing sort of Easter egg.
      It's actually my favorite makeup on her to date.

    • @Juleru
      @Juleru 2 роки тому +7

      Father is always just an observer but she always takes a different role. In "Katherine Knight" she actually gave Katherine the knife, while in others she's just whispering in the main character's ear or is simply there in the end.

    • @QuikVidGuy
      @QuikVidGuy 2 роки тому +3

      it also represents how Ramirez never brushed his FUCKING teeth

    • @6Haunted-Days
      @6Haunted-Days 7 місяців тому +1

      @@QuikVidGuyyea that’s not anything to do with it 🙄 Also he was a drug addict that’s WHY his teeth rotted, and in the awesome US of A most don’t have dental insurance without that good luck keeping your teeth.

  • @QuikVidGuy
    @QuikVidGuy 5 місяців тому +2

    I haven't listened to all her songs, but the few that I have in my library meant that when I listened to this one, I was surprised that her voice sounds unfiltered, no pitch-shifting, no distortion, I wondered why this one was so raw

  • @Blood_Puppet
    @Blood_Puppet 3 роки тому +47

    The mask was based off a quote from Ramirez as he was being lead from the court after his death sentencing I beleive, "Big deal. Death always came with the territory. See you in Disneyland."

    • @QuikVidGuy
      @QuikVidGuy 5 місяців тому

      I think See you in Disneyland were his last words, or close to it

  • @srslywtfcl4p404
    @srslywtfcl4p404 3 роки тому +39

    I saw these guys open for babymetal right before the whole corona thing kicked off. Had never heard of them before, but turned out to be my most amazing live show experience ever.

    • @HarryToeface
      @HarryToeface 3 роки тому +1

      I'm so jealous

    • @Andy_from_de
      @Andy_from_de 3 роки тому +1

      Here is good live clip of Skynd performing Katherine Knight and Columbine. ua-cam.com/video/izVDOYih1TQ/v-deo.html

    • @NneonNTJ
      @NneonNTJ 3 роки тому +5

      Yep same, i saw them in Belgium, as good as it was though Babymetal was of a different caliber! :O

    • @AshokaMazda
      @AshokaMazda 3 роки тому

      I'm SO JEALOUS right now! That had to be amazing!
      I even read that she learns how to say the lyrics backwards and sings them that way (when they do that in their songs)

  • @p4r4sit32
    @p4r4sit32 3 роки тому +16

    Great reaction!! I suggest reacting to videos of her sing and perform live so that you can REALLY hear her real voice! With and without the vocals, her voice is breathtaking. 🖤

  • @adamFIVE88
    @adamFIVE88 3 роки тому +11

    7:13 that is her singing, they just pitched it and added effects, she sings that part live

  • @xxMaro92xx
    @xxMaro92xx 3 роки тому +5

    This is the first video I've seen of you (because I'm a fan of SKYND and youtube recommended it), and I think you're really adorable and that this video was really cool :D

  • @allietheparanormaladventurer
    @allietheparanormaladventurer 3 роки тому +15

    I love them. Their cinematography and conception is so amazing. And she has a great voice. Please keep checking them out. The most unique musical act out there.

    • @JW-28
      @JW-28 9 місяців тому

      Facts. I wish they dropped more music and toured in the US. I dont think they come to the US.

  • @stephensummers643
    @stephensummers643 3 роки тому +13

    So cool you checked this band out. Love the uniqueness of them. Probably my favorite track from them is Elisa Lam, definitely worth checking out.

  • @AzDesertFoxx
    @AzDesertFoxx 3 роки тому +9

    I just discovered SKYND (through you!) and I have fallen in love!!

    • @dougel4709
      @dougel4709 Рік тому +1

      Same here! Just now! And I am strangely intrigued...

    • @AzDesertFoxx
      @AzDesertFoxx Рік тому +2

      Check out "Jim Jones", Tyler Hadley, and, well, all of them! They are great!

  • @eleanorthiessen4211
    @eleanorthiessen4211 2 роки тому +5

    Skynd is stunning!!! Her voice is so powerful 🖤

  • @ultrazineSWE
    @ultrazineSWE 3 роки тому +6

    Skynd ❤️🔥 And Skynd dont wanna people to know how she is so we keep it like that

  • @stuff1221
    @stuff1221 2 роки тому +2

    I love skynd it's cool to see someone watching it

  • @soulmare333
    @soulmare333 11 місяців тому +1

    I remember watching this over a year ago but I wanted to come back and say you should react to Edward Kemper. A lot more of just her voice and much more range. I heard it the other day even though it's been out for a while and for some reason I remembered this video and wanted to, when I had the time, recommend it.

  • @goonbob27
    @goonbob27 3 роки тому +5

    Glad you did some research before diving in, it might be scary for you but they’re amazing in what they do. I’d love to see you react to more.

  • @AshokaMazda
    @AshokaMazda 2 роки тому +1

    Love the review and hope you do more of these from them.
    She has such an amazing voice!

  • @schizoidman40k
    @schizoidman40k 3 роки тому +15

    The cutest reaction ever! jaja

    • @kcrich1310
      @kcrich1310 3 роки тому +1

      Cute?!?!? Better get a warrant and search this guy's house. Might be something buried under the floorboards......... j/k

    • @kam-lw4ez
      @kam-lw4ez 3 роки тому

      Reactor seems very sheltered and 'normie' as you'd call it lol

  • @Polyphemus89
    @Polyphemus89 3 роки тому +7

    Her makeup is genius, it’s like a modern take on a pulcinella, the forebear of the modern clown, and more importantly, mime. She keeps saying “just be quiet” it’s really genius.

  • @averil9819
    @averil9819 2 роки тому +2

    I saw them live on Friday and they are even better live

  • @bigboycombo6342
    @bigboycombo6342 3 роки тому +8

    I remember when they caught the "Night Stalker", group of people beat the hell out of him and called the police. Good day!

  • @whiteeulogianraven7995
    @whiteeulogianraven7995 3 роки тому +10

    Talking about creepy lullaby songs... Sopor Aeternus and the Assemble of Shadows... I miss my electro dark wave times, or Antwoord fun times.

  • @tiriyafarwood5166
    @tiriyafarwood5166 3 роки тому +6

    You should react to the rest of their works!

  • @Blackphoenix115_
    @Blackphoenix115_ 6 днів тому

    I love SKYND so much ❤

  • @jasonedmunds5821
    @jasonedmunds5821 2 роки тому +1

    Oddly this showed up in my my feed the day after seeing them perform live at Mama Roux's in Birmingham. Been following them for ages now and absolutely love them, their sound is phenomenal and I can say they pull it off on stage with ease. Her voice is staggeringly powerful live and the show was well worth it. Hope delve deeper into their rabbit hole.

  • @ironwhy
    @ironwhy 3 роки тому +13

    React to: "Robot Unicorn Attack "Always" All-Vocal Cover by Elizabeth Zharoff" 😊

  • @jaylady1136
    @jaylady1136 2 роки тому

    Thank u so much I listen to them I'm glad you did this

  • @totallyanonymousbish9599
    @totallyanonymousbish9599 2 роки тому +2

    MORE SKYND PLS

  • @zachchristensen1104
    @zachchristensen1104 2 роки тому

    So glad to see you did a video on them

  • @madtownjeremy
    @madtownjeremy 2 роки тому +1

    Great vid; SKYND is pretty amazing!

  • @Archereon
    @Archereon 3 роки тому

    I know this is an older video, but there is a skynd doll in their merchandise store

  • @Quest4Horror
    @Quest4Horror 3 роки тому +2

    All of their songs are beautifully dark.

  • @angievigo563
    @angievigo563 2 роки тому +3

    React to their newest song "Chris Watts" she uses more of her actual voice

  • @yamangumus_80
    @yamangumus_80 Рік тому

    Amazing voice

  •  2 роки тому +2

    hi Beth you should listen skynd michelle carter and other songs some are catchy as hell

  • @briankirchhoefer
    @briankirchhoefer 3 роки тому +2

    The night stalker Richard Ramirez. AC/DC had a song night prowler. Richard had an AC/DC hat

    • @mandalorianscum1138
      @mandalorianscum1138 3 роки тому

      He listened to highway to hell on his sprees! That guy was a special kind of bonkers!

  • @Gagne.AK47
    @Gagne.AK47 4 місяці тому

    Haha 1st time watching your channel watching my favorite band.....priceless

  • @phoebe4906
    @phoebe4906 3 роки тому +3

    Beth, you have to give Avatar a listen. They are a Swedish rock band. Lead singer has amazing vocals!

    • @puccaloverr
      @puccaloverr 3 роки тому

      Great band Avatar, music, live, viedo clip, \m/

    • @Kronical69420
      @Kronical69420 Рік тому

      Which one though?

  • @adamkeane2622
    @adamkeane2622 3 роки тому +17

    Beth: "...this is so creepy!"
    Me while headbanging to Cannibal Corpse and Infant Annihilator: "It's just a lullaby."

    • @X1xone
      @X1xone 3 роки тому +14

      To be fair, those bands are so over the top that they are basically funny. SKYND is pretty darn creepy.

    • @adamkeane2622
      @adamkeane2622 3 роки тому +8

      @@X1xone Nah, it's still a soft one for me. I've seen way worse things in black metal and deathcore music videos lol.

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 3 роки тому +1

      Cornyyyyy

    • @adamkeane2622
      @adamkeane2622 3 роки тому

      @@Trepanation21 🤣

    • @X1xone
      @X1xone 3 роки тому +2

      @@adamkeane2622 I agree. I was basically just speaking to the two groups you mentioned. Infant Annihilators videos are usually quite humerus, With Cannibal Corpse you usually can't understand what he is saying without closed captioning.

  • @NneonNTJ
    @NneonNTJ 3 роки тому +2

    "more neon please"
    You called?

  • @rofyle
    @rofyle 3 роки тому +1

    One of the most popular podcasts on iTunes is a podcast called "Sword and Scale." It's a true crime podcast that not only tells the true and tragic stories of horrific crimes, but also plays the actual 911 calls, as well as interviews with the killers. They have several episodes that explore the minds of sociopaths and the rise in prevalence of sociopathy and psychopathy today. Sociopathy is a lot more common than some people might imagine, and the rate of it is growing every year.

  • @kornfreak1100
    @kornfreak1100 2 роки тому +1

    Chris watts shows her vocal skills. She’s a great singer

  • @ChavezDIY
    @ChavezDIY Рік тому

    I wonder if the whispering voice and the lyrics "hush be quiet" is related to this detail I found in Wikipedia.... He handcuffed and beat Sakina while forcing her to reveal the locations of the family's jewelry, and then brutally raped her. He repeatedly demanded that she "swear on Satan" that she would not scream during his assaults."

  • @Napoleon.Blown.Aparte
    @Napoleon.Blown.Aparte 2 роки тому

    Marina Ortega is the singer behind SKYND!!
    ....and g*ddamn!! What a throat she has!! ♥

  • @jeffvader9960
    @jeffvader9960 Рік тому

    Yes he was a serial killer and the lyric "hell il see you in disney land" comes from his sentencing. As the police where waling him out of court to the transport reporter's kept asked him how he felt about reciving death sentence or something like that he replied with "big deal deal death always went with the territory! il see you in Disney Land!"

  • @steveanderson8289
    @steveanderson8289 3 роки тому +1

    "Big deal, death always went with the territory. See you in Disneyland."

  • @draconiantyrant
    @draconiantyrant 3 роки тому +3

    Look forward to more creepy reactions leading up to Halloween! XD

  • @Reason1717
    @Reason1717 3 роки тому

    Beth so glad you reviewed this group. Leaving the main stream and finding talent. I am not a fan of Skynd but I do see their talent.

  • @Felicity2121
    @Felicity2121 2 роки тому +2

    You need to do their latest one of Chris watts. You hear her natural voice more.

  • @drew65sep
    @drew65sep 3 роки тому +1

    Don't really care for the subject matter...but, it IS a brilliant marketing strategy. People are always intrigued by what terrifies them. Instrumentals are great, and the vocals complimentary. I also have to admit that I've got a few of their songs on a playlist.

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    @BethRoars  3 роки тому +5

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      @ANONYMOUS_PEASANT 2 роки тому

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    • @pedojoegottagoimmediately1068
      @pedojoegottagoimmediately1068 2 роки тому

      Skynd is gorgeous a real princess

  • @deathbyguitar1
    @deathbyguitar1 2 роки тому

    My first time hearing Skynd was when I browsed UA-cam and Johnathan Davis added his vocals to Gary Heidnik...who was a f@cked up...'person?' Should check that song out.

  • @buckoxt
    @buckoxt 2 місяці тому

    Marina Ortega is the lead singers name

  • @DarthMohammedRules
    @DarthMohammedRules 3 роки тому +2

    In light of the recent death of Metal Church singer Mike Howe, you should check out some Metal Church. Their old stuff is good, but he had left and then rejoined the band a few years back, and the stuff they had been coming out with recently was kick-ass. I'd recommend By the Numbers or No Tomorrow. RIP - Mike Howe. :(

    • @mvunit3
      @mvunit3 3 роки тому

      HUGELY recommend Beth checkout "Badlands" as an introduction. Has all his different timbres of vocals (and "Date with Poverty"). Rest in Peace Mike :'(.

  • @mvjonsson
    @mvjonsson 3 роки тому +3

    React to "The Girl who was Death" by Devil Doll. Amazing eerie and very theatrical vocal performance by Mr Doctor (Mario Panciera).

    • @ultrazineSWE
      @ultrazineSWE 3 роки тому +1

      Yes i second that. Devil doll was amazing

    • @fede_leiva
      @fede_leiva 3 роки тому +1

      A TOTAL MASTER PIECE

  • @ContentMadame
    @ContentMadame 2 роки тому

    If you think THAT note went on forever, you need to check out "Wasted Time" by Skid Row. Sebastian Bach's vocals are INCREDIBLE.

  • @timbrawdy2249
    @timbrawdy2249 2 роки тому +1

    Can you do the deftones song “you’ve seen the butcher”?

  • @illyria135
    @illyria135 2 роки тому +1

    You should listen to her voice live. When they preform there's less editing to the music

  • @jcdillon28
    @jcdillon28 8 місяців тому

    I have listen to every song SKYND has released. As a former true crime nut I am kind of torn on this band. I appreciate the art in what they are doing. They are very talented musically and the concept of the lyrics being taken from interviews, news and others sources surrounding the cases is very creative.
    The part that tears me is the glorifying of these horrific crimes and evil people. Just like true crime podcasts and youtube videos. I know they are trying to get the story out but i just have to stop and wounder if some stories should just be forgotten.

  • @Nikolaitis
    @Nikolaitis 3 місяці тому

    He was better known as "The Nightstalker"

  • @wolfdog010
    @wolfdog010 3 роки тому

    This was gold

  • @ffelde3107
    @ffelde3107 3 роки тому

    Richard Ramirez AKA The Nightstalker was a serial killer in California

  • @mathiasrain1480
    @mathiasrain1480 3 роки тому +2

    This would have been a great Halloween choice reaction lol

    • @Andy_from_de
      @Andy_from_de 3 роки тому +1

      I will surely suggest another one when that time of the year comes!

    • @mathiasrain1480
      @mathiasrain1480 3 роки тому +1

      @@Andy_from_de Skynd's Elisa Lam's pretty creepy lol probably the perfect Skynd video for Halloween

  • @Ju5t4l1z4rd
    @Ju5t4l1z4rd Рік тому

    The mask is that of a demonic Mickey Mouse, hence the line “I’ll see you in Disney Land.”

  • @bellies1000
    @bellies1000 3 роки тому

    "HEH Beth" "behind you" "BOO!!!!!!" Ok now to compensate for this. I suggest the Sound of Music "the hills are alive with the sound of music":):):):):) (or something from the muppetshow)

  • @SimplySammyK
    @SimplySammyK 3 місяці тому

    sorry if you said this as well I tend to comment very early as if its a live stream.
    As you said about the lyrics they are related to the crime and killer, but allot of the sayings are also things the killers have said "I'll see you in disney land" was his last words before being sentenced.

    • @SimplySammyK
      @SimplySammyK 3 місяці тому

      if you reacted to "michelle carter" every single lyric is what she typed as she convinced her boyfriend to end his own life

  • @estheryuu1931
    @estheryuu1931 3 роки тому

    Hi Beth, i really love to see your reaction videos, they helps me alot for my vocal training, and i love to recommended you a Female Korea Group Big Mama in Killing Voice show, they're very famous in 2000s without beauty shape, but they're no longer a group since 2012, they're so talented ( for me ) and they just comeback for a few months ago, i really love to see your reaction video for them, thank u so much and sorry about my English 😊

  • @roquemireles3621
    @roquemireles3621 7 місяців тому

    Part of my running mix. Love this band.

  • @rogerscurlock2927
    @rogerscurlock2927 Рік тому

    The general consensus is that in her "public life" her name is Marina Ortega, she's an Austrian raceway driver and singer of more conventional music. Obviously there's no confirmation. However, if you watch videos of Marina Ortega singing, her and skynd have the same mannerisms. They're just more exagerated when skynd is singing.

  • @ImSpencerBrown
    @ImSpencerBrown 2 роки тому

    that end was so funny

  • @notpub
    @notpub 9 місяців тому

    I wld like to see u cover "Smack Jack" by Nina Hagen. Nina was playing performance rock in the 80s that went to a gutteral low that scared the beejeesus out of ppl to operatic highs. Prob seems dated today. Mostly curious abt range since as a child in Eastern Germany Nina was trained as an opera singer. Pls Beth Pls?

  • @LeGaLdeadparliament
    @LeGaLdeadparliament 3 місяці тому

    little alterboy is the main member of skynd band.

  • @tjfirefly8396
    @tjfirefly8396 2 роки тому

    Her name is Marina Ortega

  • @tylerbowie9069
    @tylerbowie9069 3 роки тому

    Richard Ramirez was the Night Stalker.

  • @Vilematrix
    @Vilematrix 3 роки тому

    Most serial killers had a record of PTSD and since recent we know that factor 1 ASPD (psychopathy) can develop MDD ( Depression) , combine that PTSD is known for personality disorder development and often comes with Depression. My conclusion and that from dignosed second degree ASPD patients . Is that becoming a serial killer often stems from extreme pain and social isolation. To be short on this if you learn your whole life that you don't matter what does a Child learn from that qua ethics

  • @extravaganzaspectacular2022
    @extravaganzaspectacular2022 6 місяців тому

    You definitely weren't ready lol

  • @bryanmchugh1307
    @bryanmchugh1307 2 роки тому

    Her name is Marina Ortega.

  • @DrGreg007
    @DrGreg007 2 роки тому

    If skynd made you feel uneasy then she has accomplished her goals! She just wanted to get that look on your face....

  • @zillstar5709
    @zillstar5709 3 роки тому

    I loved your reactions to Cimorelli! Please react to more from them, they have got so many good originals and covers.

  • @Goddess_Gaming
    @Goddess_Gaming 2 роки тому +3

    Her true vocals are in Chris Watts

  • @johnkarner8202
    @johnkarner8202 2 роки тому +1

    Definitely need to do Chris Watts

  • @куртка-в8й
    @куртка-в8й Рік тому

    Thanks!
    Gary Heidnik, please!)

  • @blackrainbow6587
    @blackrainbow6587 2 роки тому +2

    Please react to ic3peak

  • @juanjo2564
    @juanjo2564 3 роки тому

    Hello! I'm sure that "Eloise", by Tino Casal will surprise you! (RIP)

  • @wolfdog010
    @wolfdog010 3 роки тому

    His name is Jack

  • @willowpiano
    @willowpiano 3 роки тому +3

    Skynd's real name is Marina Ortega. And I love her and them as SKYND: THE BAND.

  • @kennethwilliams5063
    @kennethwilliams5063 3 роки тому +1

    Kristen Chenoweth, Girl in 14 G that's a really cute song Beth could react to.

  • @nicccandussi865
    @nicccandussi865 3 роки тому +1

    Please Beth, not sure if that was recommended before,but I'd LOVE to watch you react to Oathbreakers "Second Son of R.".
    They are not a really big metal band, somewhat obscure but their Vocalist is the most impressive female I've ever heard in metal.
    And I can safely say to know a thing or two about metal.
    Please give it a listen.
    Please, haha

  • @gameingeffect6037
    @gameingeffect6037 Рік тому

    her real name is Marina Ortega,

  • @SimplySammyK
    @SimplySammyK 3 місяці тому

    sorry to spam as well, in the track as you state there are effects on her voice for the most part, but she actually does sing it that way live too, the deep and baby voice parts, its not as perfect as the tracks live though, her clean vocals live however are flawless,

  • @SatansLittleHelper
    @SatansLittleHelper 3 роки тому

    It's "first the crack and then the whizz" which is smoking crack and then smoking meth, two of Ramirez's favorite things.

  • @queenrenren4601
    @queenrenren4601 3 роки тому

    My favorite one is the Elisa lamb one

  • @MrThedarkoverlord
    @MrThedarkoverlord 2 роки тому

    her vocals are awesome as for the horror of the video....it fits considering the topic of Richard Rameriz

  • @RolandSam-pagan1349
    @RolandSam-pagan1349 Рік тому

    Great song but the whole duel personality with the bunny-masked figure in the video was fictional...Trust me, I wrote to Mr. Ramirez, while he was in prison, back in high-school as a writing project. Former vocalist too... so I love the spot-ons on the vocals tones you mentioned

  • @laz001
    @laz001 3 роки тому

    Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy - try handle THAT!

  • @mereckbxl111
    @mereckbxl111 3 роки тому

    As you speak about the play in voice's tone, I propose you to listen to Ic3peak. ( La Marche ; Death No More ; Плак-Плак ; Sad Bitch ...)
    It's in russian, but there are subtitles.

  • @edelcorrallira
    @edelcorrallira 3 роки тому

    I think I can make a guess, psychos are frankly damaged. Most people can get their kicks at watching a puppy wag their tail. We enjoy hearing laughter. The chirping of birds and the smile on a neighbor.
    But my best guess is these people dont have this exquisite positive stimuli. They instead do all sorts of horrible things to have the same fulfilment we do when something good happens. In a way, frankly, I feel sorry for them.
    On the other hand, there has to be other ways for these people to get off that dont necessarily imply the downfall of everything that surrounds them like a good math problem or something.
    ... Anyway, very disturbing, but certainly musically gratifying. Now time to listen to Joeys rendition of Its a wonderful world because this was very unsettling.