"Unless your name is Persona, you're gonna be hard pressed to get anyone interested in turn based combat." I'm still not used to how big Persona has gotten sometimes. As an old fan, its goddamn wild.
The train graveyard honestly felt weird to me because all I could think was “the Plate is falling, there’s a literal war right over there!! I don’t have time for Ghostbusters right now!!!”
@@BenoitAdam Might've worked better if they left it as "No way they would do it." from Tifa, do the ghostcapades, and then after the boss, the helicopters make it real.
draco89123 I should probably clarify, I loved the ghosts and the haunting atmosphere of the trains! It was very cool, I just think it was odd to put it at a really dramatic story moment with tension and urgency. I wish I had the opportunity to encounter both the ghosts and the “plate is falling scenario” separate from each other, but oh well 🤷♂️
Have you seen Easy Allies discussion with Maximillian Dood? If not, they dove into the whole Whisper/Sephiroth/Aerith/Planet theories and what they might mean and if you enjoy that kind of ''Next level meta mindfuck'', you might enjoy their video. I couldn't stand the Whispers and the ending, but their discussion definitely gave me a brand new appreciation for the ending and made my 2nd playthrough very eye opening.
One Piece does the same. The author and the audience know Luffy can not die so he wrote a scene glorifying his luck and it is one of the best on the whole series to be honest
honestly i fucking hated the ending with the whispers personally. However i can def appreciate the idea behind it and it gets set up properly. personally those types of over convoluted “meta” stories just always leave me feeling empty without any sense of accomplishment and no weight of my actions story wise. i think it’s a natural instinct to want all your favourite characters to survive and have a happy ending and with these types of meta stories that becomes a possibility, but truth is, some characters oftentimes become beloved and memorable because of their sacrifice and the weight that follows. however that’s just pure personal preference and i know a lot of people love these types of mindfuck ideas, so i don’t think FF7R is necessary bad because of it. just a different type of story not everybody is going to enjoy
I didn't like the original train graveyard and it was forgettable. I thought it was nice in the remake. Sewers was the only part I just wanna get through because it was so uninteresting.
Funny, I see a lot of people saying they disliked the Train Graveyard this time around, but I enjoyed it. Sewers was a bit meh though. I think the large problem with the Graveyard though is that the Sewers precedes it, whether you enjoyed them or not, it makes Graveyard feel like a slog. Every other area generally grants you the ability to return to town after. Not Sewers/Graveyard though.
Cries in Shin Megami Tensei (which Persona just kinda devoured and there hasn’t been word on Shin Megami Tensei V for like Three years because Atlus is putting all their effort into Persona now. Why do I even care? I’ve never even played a SMT game.
“OMG ALL ARE FRIENDS ARE GOING TO DIE, THE PLATAFORM IS GOING TO FALL, but first lets explore the backstory of this ghost childs on this abandoned area”
Actually it's 2 chapters where you have to revisit the same area all over again as if one long boring chapter wasn't enough to add to the stretching this game thin.
Blade of Mird At least you visit different areas of the places you revisit in that game to keep them somewhat fresh. And honestly the second sewer visit would be fine without the whole ‘chasing down the thing that stole the key’ thing.
@@superlombax1561 My problem was that in the second visit in the sewers we visited the exact same area. And to add insult to injury it also had a section with forced walking. The forced walking in general was one of the things that annoyed me the most in the game.
@@bladeofmird Square needs to fire whoever thought it was a good idea to have TWO sewer levels in this game. Sewer levels have sucked since the 90s. It's 2020 now...surely there are better ways to pad out a game than a damn sewer level :/
I shouldn't be on youtube right now personally I believe that the characters were portrayed accurately throughout the game like how cloud isn’t emo or looking for “a reason to fight” or how Aerith isn’t some pure infallible angel like she is in AC and it made sense that she was talking about the planet and destiny since she is an ancient. In regards to the ending, I understand how older fans feel about how destiny was destroyed leaving an “unknown journey” but if you look into the new lore of the game, the implications are much grander and could leave room for more interesting scenarios which are not tied down by the constraints of the original narrative. While FF7 is my favourite FF, with the new opportunity the dev team have I don’t blame them for this direction and believe it hold exciting prospects for the next parts.
@@sub.sa.3058 I think you're right on the money, I felt the same when I was playing through it. They suddenly stopped talking like real people and got super preachy out of nowhere, Aerith especially.
beanos requiem i legit just replayed the original a few days ago. you go through the train graveyard and do some puzzles that require you to crash old trains into each other
Hey I'm just glad he acknowledges that it's great but has alot of dumb crap and that its very flawed. All I've been hearing are remake haters giving it a 0 and dumb tasteless fanboys giving it a 10 and saying "the only problem is having to wait for the next segment".. like really?... it had NO other problems. Lol I'd personally give this game Ironically a 7.. maybeeee an 8.
More like 15 but yeah it was there, I like it in the remake as they're adding context for the enemies in the original. Like the hell house or the ghosts
@@audreybauer6860 Yeah but did those even need context? Lol they don't give content to the majority of the other enemies so why waste time? Like it was cute with hell house but not after that.
I like your interpretations on the Whispers and Sephiroth, And that honestly makes me appreciate the FF7R ending a bit more, regardless of the fact that it sorta came out of nowhere.
I thought the same thing! I was late to playing the game and my friends were constantly telling me that the ending and certain plot choices were "Interestingly weird" so I was looking out for them. I didn't know what to think as I finished the game but this explanation kinds makes me love it. I sincerely didn't think about the implications of killing the big Whisper boss.
It has taken me 2 and a half years to process the ending for this game. Not only is the og timeline altered, now we're gonna be expecting the unexpected for FF7 Rebirth
I was actually feeling quite anxious/nervous during chapter 18. So in that sense, I felt that the whole "anything could happen" aspect worked tremendously.
Yeah, I agree with your point about Sephiroth. Fun fact, he was actually largely inspired by the shark from "Jaws," as the shark wasn't actually seen for most of the movie, which added tension and made it scarier. Also, I see you using the Cosmo Canyon track for the end (cosmonaut, haha very funny).
@@ELFanatic Or its him and Nojima adding the Compilation Element to Sephiroth's Character. Like his Solider Self, Core Self and Jenova Self, as well as the whole "if forgotten by Cloud, will cease to Exist" thing. Especially considering the fact that he IS Post-AC Sephiroth
@@ELFanatic Its not turning FF into KH, its more.... adding everything that they found value in post-FF7. Which is where I hope they will throw away the Garbage like Deep Ground and Everything INVOLVING Dirge of Cerberus, ALL OF IT (Okay maybe keep SOME things, but I wouldn't mind if we could just KILL THEM LIKE WE KILLED KADAJ, YAZOO AND LOZ in the Remake, which by the way, we did, they were the Whisper Trio). Plus, give Nomura some credit man. He is one of the 4 people behind the ORIGINAL FF7 and he made Tifa, like a ALL of her Character alongside Nojima.
The only thing I don't like about the ending is that it's a blank check for Tetsuy a Nomura to write whatever he wants. I want to have faith... but everything he's ever made has started strong then gone insane. Dude loves needlessly complicated nonsense. I won't get mad until I see what he does with it, though.
Lancer Guy Nomora isn’t the scenario writer of the story just the director of the project as a whole. The writer of the game is actually the old writer of the original game
Keep in mind that Nomura is not the only person working on this game. He's not the only director, and he's not even credited as a writer. Hell, the whole fighting fate aspect of the ending seems much more like a Toriyama thing, and Toriyama is a co-director on this game. People can feel however they want about this remake and its future parts, but I think they need to stop blaming Nomura for absolutely everything like he's the only person with any input. And just in case your wondering who is in charge of what, Yoshinori Kitase is the producer (and in many games, it seems like the producer has more control than the director), Nomura, Naoki Hamaguchi, and Motomu Toriyama are the directors, and Kazushige Nojima, Toriyama, Hiroaki Iwaki, and Sachie Hirano are the writers. Kitase, Nomura, Toriyama, and Nojima were all also involved with the original VII.
keybladesrus thanks bro. More people NEED to hear this. Tbh with all of the issues with the engine, changing developers, management issue and other things before launch its crazy that this game came out as good as it did. I was half expecting it to blow up my PS4 😂
"I love Sephiroth in OG FF7, but HATE him in everything else. He's the biggest example of an overused character." I'm screaming, your comment about Sephiroth is EXACTLY my feelings about him that I've been trying to convey for a billion years. OG Sephiroth didn't show up that often but he packed a punch when he did, and it just always gave him a mysterious, otherworldly vibe. I felt legit afraid when he showed up. All subsequent iterations of Sephiroth just make him into the smirky villain and it just cheapens him for me.
5:20 - That's because you didn't figure out the pressure/stagger system. They are sponges because you're not supposed to be able to take them down with basic attacks. You need to have actual strategy and use your special abilities at the right time. Once you figure out that mechanics the spongey enemies are actually quite easy to cut through.
That said... I wish that there was a melding with some of FFXII mechanics with gambits. I was happy when I saw a Materia called Auto-Cure, which was awesome. Wish there was more of that so that when you're not playing at these other characters they have specific directions to execute without you having to micromanage.
lol right? i've seen people complaining about enemies being bullet sponges and all they're doing is pressing square and triple slashing every once in a while
If you know how to use the battle system, there are very few fights that last a long time, if you're bad and you're just mashing/panicking i can see why you're frustrated lol, and it's weird to complain about the AI when the point is to control everyone like on the original, however if you wanted a casual fight, they should have a system like that, i hate it but it's not for me, accessibility is huge these days.
If anyone played through the entire game without figuring out about the pressure, stagger system, that person has problems. And I'm sure he figured it out. Even with the stagger system, Enemies in the later games do have a lot of health when the ordinary Shinra troops get replaced with SOLDIERs and Elite Troopers.
@@YounBryan I mean it is a boring and tedious way of fighting after a short while. It's just a not very fun way of combat imo. Once decided to not use abilities... game felt like MONSTER HUNTER.. enemies take more hits than DMC 5 on the hardest difficulty.
The ending first blew my mind and made me angry and upset, and then I fanboyed out that I was basically going to play it for the first time all over again when the next parts come out.
I never played the origional (But I know most of the plot points) and I like how both fans and new comers can be excited and theorizing about what happens next
@@whatif9854 The internet has too many angry socially inept people, its sad that this is considered normal behaviour to some people. We can't even discuss differing opinions without a few of these guys hurling insults.
@@Aplesedjr nah. Just when final fantasy does it. One reason why i love this series is that every new game started fresh. Like some gameplay or plot devices may carry over, but each new game otherwise had a new world, new characters, new plot, and new gameplay. And when they start implying one game may share the same universe as another it kind of loses its magic. Plus, I think square is better at making one off plots and not expansive universes that spread across different games or media, you know if the ff7 compilation, or those games and books based on ff10, or kingdom hearts is anything to go by.
At first I thought the point of the ghosts were for Cloud to end up saving Aerith. I love the idea that Sephiroth is manipulating everything so he can finally win.
@@thats4thebirds That's why you switch to controlling them. The unique moves and the faster atb charging is what encourage you to use the other party members rather than sticking to cloud the entire time.
@@NamsCompendium Its still incredibly retarded that the character with a fucking machine gun grafted to his arm walks into MELEE range instead if shooting from afar.
Hey Cosmonaut, just letting you know that I can't wait to hear your take on Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 7 if you ever make a video about it! For that matter, I would also be interested to hear you talk about Star Wars: Resistance and the Mandalorian. Keep up the awesome content.
Yeah I was gonna say. Sure its nowhere near as long, but I really enjoyed that boss fight and the narrative additions surrounding Aerith. Just should have cut about half of that section down and it would have been amazing.
@@Astraldymensions honestly they couldve done that for all the other padding and i wouldve loved it. The whole hojo thing at the end was annoying and those padding likr he said makes me not want to go replay it eventhough i want too
finally someone explained what happened, this is an alternate timeline and new shit is happening. I'm so excited for what's to come! Thank you for helping me understand what the hell was going on with the ending! I played the original and loved it.
@@Etridamu yeah, even by just playing the game it is kinda explained, by the visions of future and past, and the word "fate" being thrown here and there.
Well I’m sure that most people were able to finish it and talk about it, but was not one of those people. I finished it about 2-3 days ago and decided to still stay away from any research to have my own opinion on the game. I usually trust Marcus’s opinion about games and movies so I watched this and he explained it. So sorry that I still have work and school to consider and can’t devote 100% of my time to playing games and understand their stories.
ff7 virgin here, can definitely confirm that the ending had me 110% lost. I could sense the plot ghosts were clearly geared towards old fans which didn't help either. What did have me interested was Cloud's vision headaches, Aerith's mysterious powers, and Sephiroth. I appreciate the message that they'll be trying new things, but im really hoping the next installments stay away from the meta commentary that'll make 0 sense to players like me and just tell a good story.
@@marciamakesmusic I'm not a fan of meta mixed with conventional story-telling personally. The story was going at a steady, mysterious pace up until we got aerith out. Once we go dimension hopping for a vague mission of saving the world from whatever sephiroth has planned, it lost me. It was still fun though, great boss fight.
Red Cloak I’d recommend playing through the original FF7 if it lost you. Or, at least look up a summary of the story on UA-cam. I fear the remake part 2 will continue to treat the player as a FF7 veteran.
It's not a bad thing that new players feel lost. I think a bunch of older players sometimes forget a few of those moments in the original game that had you going "what in the ever living hell?!?" So the remake ending is not really too out of the way. I do agree with the criticisms that it feel out of nowhere and could of been lead up a bit better. Though with a second playthrough you do see the small hints of it that you didn't pay any mind to the first time through. The main problem is that we have to wait 3 years to find out what it all means. Before, you could just keep playing and you could find those explanations in the next 6 hours or so.
You actually CAN play as him via hacking your party. He has HP/MP and stats, proper movement and combos. No Triangle button attack or abilities though. Seems like he will be playable in the next game, they just didn't want to teach you a new playstyle with 2 chapters left in the game, so they kept him AI-controlled.
They probably didn't want to have to make his movesets, weapons and and AI just for you to use him for like 3 chapters. We'll 100% play him in the next game
Or give characters you aren't controlling commands. Tell Aerith to heal or revive when you aren't playing her and she will always do it, cause enemies always prioritise who the player is controlling; knowing this alone makes everything more fun and controllable
That’s what I thought while watching this video I never had a problem because I was constantly switching it is tempting to stick around and watch the animations but I find battles are easier when you all you look at are the command menus and staggers
Seriously! The problem is the combat is designed to be played that way but people want it to be something it's not rather than just learning to play by the games own rules. I also think people fail to set up their weapons and materia correctly. I spent a LOT of time in my menus managing materia and shuffling weapons around. Once you figure it out combat gets pretty easy and a lot of fun
While these two games are comparable in their mission to resurrect/reboot a decades-old classic story, I think that FF7R seems to pull it off better than Alyx, based off playing Half-Life: Alyx and reading up on FF7R online. Based on this, it seems that that alternate timeline story and the time ghosts seeking to restore the natural plot of the 1998 story, as well as Cloud and Sephiroth being aware of this, has been naturally built up and integrated throughout the game. As gameplay segments, characters, and plot points are expanded upon in the remake, it fits well in revisioning what Final Fantasy VII could become in the future and what it will means for the characters and the players as well. Whereas in Alyx, the ending twist comes in the very last minutes of the game to redeem a decades-old mistake to try and breath new life into Half-Life, and it comes out of nowhere. Granted, the game does establish from the beginning that the narrative (and the player) knows that that event will happen in Episode 2, but then drops it 1/3 into the story only to bring it back at the very last moment. In my view, the twist is unearned and frustrating from the plot contrivances and conveniences that it took to get there.
@@Nicholas.Villeneuve in my opinion, HLA's ending was executed very well and it almost felt like it was planned all along (which isn't the case) the gman always had his eyes on alyx and he was always planning to let go of Gordon etc. The new writers knew what they were doing.
Everyone wants anything to happen in HL. Every HL has been phenomenal. Square hasn't arguably made a good game since early 2000's. And Square loves to overdose on obfuscating storylines.
@Mad Dog Billy FF7R plot is horrible. All it managed to do is take the potency out of scenes. Seph's original intro was blood streaked through the halls of Shinra only to find that Seph had murdered him. That's your intro to Seph. You know nothing about him, except that he's violent and a menace. He doesn't care about you or your team, his ambitions make no sense to you. You realize how much more there is to learn in this universe. Barrett being stabbed so that your party can be 3 for a boss fight only takes away the potency of Aeris' death. They comic booked death in this one. Anyone who dies may not actually stay dead. Seph in the original was insanely stronger than you. Now he's just a level 20 boss fight. nothing to be scared of. The cloaked ghosts are gimmicky and reek of kh style story telling. The changes are baaaaad.
I found that instead of hoping the other members of your party do stuff, you actually have to switch between them rapidly in order to use their abilities off cooldown. My playthrough had a lot of swapping between members that were each useful in different situations, very quickly on the fly.
The sewer and train graveyard were in the original game. The problem is that they only took up about four to five screens. This section was meant as a way to cool off after (potential spoilers) meeting Don Corneo and hearing Plate 7 is going to be dropped. Since this game wants to be full length they stretched the section out to one full chapter.
It's 100% intended to switch constantly depending on what you're fighting. Anyone who didn't missed out on a lot of fun and it made it the combat much more fresh as well
Also if you really just want to stick to one character and only use skills for the other characters when you need to. Put a fury ring on them it makes it so that they actively seek out to fight the enemies instead of just doodling around doing nothing.
Generic Gmail Account I don’t understand, do you think there needed to be friction between Tifa and Aerith? If so, why? If you played the original Final Fantasy 7, Tifa and Aerith did not have friction and became very close. Tifa was just as devastated as Cloud with Aerith’s death. In fact it was Aerith who helped protect Tifa when she went into the lifestream to help Cloud sort out his identity crisis... or do you just think all women should hate each other and fight over a man? You should replay the original game
@@jamiedandy8311 I didn't made them into thirsty anime girls, the devs did. I didn't create the lazy, manipulative and cringy love square (how ironic), the devs did. I didn't made these 2 women who know nothing about each other hit it off as if they were old buddies, the devs did. Barrett is the only main character that acts remotely like a human being in this story.
Generic Gmail Account sounds like you had issues with them since the original game. Good luck with that. I think their friendship was natural and well done in both games and true to their characters personality. Also Barret was nice but he was definitely the least relatable character to me, especially compared to Tifa and Aerith.
What the fuck happens in the trainyard and sewers that is significant enough for them to now be friends that wouldn't happen in the other games or hasn't happened elsewhere? God people like you struggle to justify anything, dipshit
bungi fish Yeah, and he said he loved FFXV when it first came out, and the game was basically unfinished when it first came out. Kingdom Hearts 3 makes sense, though.
@@francesco8000 not necessarily, the franchise belongs to square, the gameplay mechanics was the only thing platinum did. And imo the best thing was it's story and that was made by the genius Yoko taro who is part of square enix.
I know right. You can literally give your AI's commands through the menu without actually switching to them. I guess Cosmo just missed that. But I like the game forces you to give other party members the right commands on the right time, so it doesn't feel like the game is playing itself, which I would hate.
I wont judge him. I did everything I could in this game and my game save has 160 hours but in my first 40 which was my first playthrough I really wasnt great and couldn't understand the fights. When I did my hard mode playthrough I was looking at the fights in a different way and now having more experience with the gameplay itself and from there I really learned how these damage sponges can just get destroyed with heavy hitting ability after heavy hitting ability But yeah its not easy to see these things at the first time. I didn't get the hell house fight first time playing it so I just brute forced it but it was still fun for me so that's what counts for me
@@pedropereira6888 for real. Incredibly fun combat system, but also one of the hardest to master in any game I've seen. It's meant to imitate a turn based style, while still letting you have full control over your movement, just like an action game. It's a really unique fusion of two genres, and I feel that it plays like a truly modern version of the old turn based style. Easily one of the best things in the game.
Lots of people have said that so I'll only make this comment once and hope it sticks. I'm pretty sure he said that in terms of additional content. Not that the Train Graveyard *was there* but that it was over an hour longer. Also, by context of what he's saying he's including the Sewers as well and that was an even shorter section in the original and much longer in the remake. Slapping them both together really feels like a slog for a lot of people.
I initially hated the ending of this game as an OG fan...but after hearing your take and some others from content creators I respect Im warming up to it a lot. Im going to somehow be more hyped for part 2 than I ever thought I could be
The thing is, the stakes right now are so high for where the current story is. It was impossible for the party to win against this version of Sephiroth. He really just seems to be toying with them to see if will be ready for what is coming, and fall and can fulfill his plans. Sephiroth skill alone is already something to fear, him knowing the events that lead to his defeat just makes him even more dangerous to deal with. The only other person who really knows what is happening is Aerith herself, and it seems she is acting reluctant/hesitant because she knows her fate and is wishing if it could be changed somehow if they defy Destiny (the camera work with shots and the angles on her face and how her body language shows that she is hiding something, or is trying not to show her real feelings is incredibly done). I think that maybe Red XIII must know something else too. Aerith makes a lot faces/expressions to him when trying to explain to the party what is happening, and how he knows all these things. She makes that face "tell them just the necessary, it isn't the time for them to know every detail yet". This new FFVII can go places and achieve heights that Square only dreamed of for years. But only if it's done right.
I'll be honest, I loved everything until the end. I knew all the major plot points, but never actually played the game. I've always wondered about it and when I heard about the remake being "faithful" I assumed small changes might happen. I'm a little disappointed because this means I'll never get to play the game everyone else played. It's pretty much the main reason I got the game too. I'm fine with what I have, but still a bit disappointed it wasn't what I thought they were advertising.
I mean.. It may not have aged to your liking, but the original game still exists and its available on every platform out there. You can still play the game everyone else played.
@@yasuke267 that's true...I mean the whole revamped graphics was what drew me to this the most, but at this point I might just play the original so I can see the whole story
Its not like the original game is gone. There a billion ports of the game and mods on the PC version that even tone up the graphics and fix the translation issues
the combat is the way it is because you're not intended to camp one character, but constantly switch between the three of them regularly. There are specific builds and materia designed to play around this, so that you can optimize characters that you aren't centering on. Hard mode, especially super bosses, really requires you to understand the nuance of what's expected here. On one level, I'd say your general criticisms amount to "get gud", but on another level I can understand why someone would be adverse to this expectation. Outside of annoying aerial combat being dumb, I feel like the "random bullshit" is less of a design issue and more of a skill/knowledge issue. I loved the execution of this combat far more than any other square game, especially 15 which is probably my least favorite game of all time. But even then, I'll concede that SOME additional control of AI controlled allies would be helpful here. I don't think it needs full on gambit design, like in ff12 as that would be directly counter to the combat intent/design of the game. But it would be nice to designate characters to be set to "range" or "mele" or "aggressive" or "defensive". Seeing Aerith run out of her ward and directly into the face of the enemy gives me conniptions.
Yeah I honestly loved the combat and there’s definitely a level of depth that Cosmo didn’t even touch on, but he’s right about the chaotic and random bullshit issue, the Whisper Bahamut is where this is more evident, he has an attack that single handedly kills most of the party and even though you can prevent this attack by using your Limit, if by some chance you didn’t manage to build it up and the boss casts the attack, you’re pretty much fucked (it didn’t help that losing to this boss meant a 20 min redo of the whole segment since the checkpoint is awfully placed)
@@SnaggingRaccoon There are other ways to deal with megaflare, like manawall and Reprieve. When you play through hard mode and the secret challenge boss, it basically requires you get comfortable with the stuff that seems like random bullshit and counter it. I didn't know you could interrupt it with limit though, that's interesting
It's because at its base view.. it's NOT very fun to have to micromanage characters during a fight. I would say that it bothered me like Age of Calamity.. but those characters weren't completely braindead when I wasn't in control. ... it's like having a team full of donalds from kingdom hearts.. useless lmao.
@@hypeman1825 well, I didn't have any issue wiht it. It felt super smooth snapping between each of em. And then you get so good at it that you have one skill Goin, swap to the next character and have their skill Goin, swap to aerith for a second so you can shoot off a heal. It feels REALLY solid and clean when you get into the groove. And the skill ceiling is ridiculous. Just look up the crazy shit people pull off in the game. It doesn't really feel micromanagey to me. The only thing that DID feel like I had to micromanage was controlling aerith to make sure she would keep at a distance. THAT is something that was frustrating that we should be able to control (range)
@@StarlightDragon It definitely has polish but I found it more toward the tedious side as unless I'm constantly swapping and micromanaging.. I'm not gonna get far (especially on hard). For a game that has characters with such unique basic combat sets.. it's disappointing that so so many fights aren't about the combat itself but the managing of ATBs to actually dish out the important damage. It feels less like a fight and more of a battle of attrition to keep my character's away from damage and to build up ATB. Thats why I said it should have just gone to one or the other. I don't get the fulfilling sense of real time combat like devil may cry or the feeling of outsmarting enemies in a game of chess like turn based combat.
Yaaay! I really love this look at the game! When I figured out what Aerith was talking about in the end and them destroying the ghost, it was like a sea of possibilities opening up.
You realize that you're supposed to switch characters constantly like a maniac to charge their ATB? That's why it's more of a pseudo turn-based game and if you're thinking about it like a pure action RPG you will get frustrated.
You can also order your party members to heal themselves. The only thing you can't control about the ai is when they use a normal attack or the special triangle attack
"It's real time"... But you have to switch characters constantly. "It's turn based"... But you can't even issue basic commands. "It's a hybrid system" Oh it's a worst of both worlds, now i know why it doesn't work.
You can press L2 or R2 to give them a command without switching to them. What I think he was trying to say is that they wouldnt use ATB on their own without your input
@@AyazU2589 incorrect, pressing L2/R2 brings up the ally command screen while still controlling the character you were controlling, where you can use their abilities (Except for Triangle abilities) as long as they have the right amount of ATB and or MP. I didn't get into the deeper ally controls but I also believe you can setup shortcuts using L2/R2 + Square/Cross/Circle/Triangle to quick-use ally commands without bringing up any menus.
I honestly am kind of excited to see alternate time lines where Aerith doesn't die and Zack is still alive. I'm happy they're not just re-telling but really hope they (Nomura) doesn't go too crazy...keep him on a leash!
Yeah the 2 minutes I spent there was totally relevant compared to the HOUR I did here in the remake helping Aerith and her dumb ghost friend. Lol if you ask me they're partly to blame for the deaths in this version since they wanna waste so much time.
You were spot on with the ending breakdown. I do see your points in regards to the padding throughout the game. I personally was able to brush it all off, considering what this game did great.
Wow! I agree so much with you about the story and the end of this game! Having played a remastered game would not have had the same impact on me as playing this remake and allow myself to be suprised or genuinely worried for the characters. Having Barret almost die (if it hasn't been for the whisper saving him) makes me stay on my toes for next game, 'cause someone else might just pass on and nothing would be there to change it! I'm so looking forward the next games ^-^
I loooooved this game. As a fan of the original I was kind of expecting it to more or less the same as I remembered but NO. Plenty of surprises including the way it shifts towards the end of this first part. Honestly can't wait to see what weird sh*t they do with the next part.
You're right. I've never played FF7 and I had no idea who what why Sephiroth. I just know that no one would shut up about him so they slapped him on everything like sponsor stickers on a race car. Other than that, there are some really weird pacing issues during the exciting scenes. So many pauses when you need to run up the pillar to save Sector 6. Though at the end of the day. The game is fun. 7/10 is very much what I ended up with also.
Derek Liu Cosmonaut is so right about how much scarier Sephiroth is within the context of the original FF7 specifically because he’s not in it a lot. But when he does appear it is clear you are deeply out of his league. You don’t even see him in the Shinra building originally, just a trail of bodies he leaves behind. When you do face him he manipulates Cloud so deftly, you feel like a joke
That’s the issue in the original game you caused it. They now took any guilt off lou by having your explosion be tiny and shines framed you for the chaos they cause. This game sucks and it’s sales fell off a cliff so hard the design team put out a presser assuring people they will just make the next games as faithful to the old ones as possible and will be abandoning the time ghost aspect as much as they can. The RTE is trash as well.
Which is what I hated with the remake. Now that you know you didn't cause the destruction why would you feel guilty for it? The original made you feel like you weren't entirely the good guys, like Barret makes you think you are, and now is painting Shinra as the bad guys entirely. This game is just a mess.
You can control the box teammates actions when not using them. Not basic attacks or block per say but you missed the options literally in the bottom left corner. If you decide to go through a second play through helpful tip you can use special abilities and magic based attacks if their gauge is full. Go to the control menu, cycle to the specific character with R2 L2 and select an action
I think you misunderstood what he's saying. He's specifically saying WITHOUT actively micromanaging their commands at the same time you're controlling someone else. He likes that you can switch between people and issue commands, but he doesn't like that whenever you're not ACTIVELY issuing them commands, they futz around uselessly. Which is pretty accurate. Whenever I wasn't directly controlling them or issuing commands to a character, I generally could assume they were doing jack shit other than taking damage. The game's solution to this is giving the actively controlled character enemy aggro, which is a little bit of a clunky at best and chaotic at worst solution avoidable by just making the other character's AI slightly better and/or customizable. In other more action-oriented games under Square, like Kingdom Hearts or FF15, you can set party members to behave in a certain way automatically, like being primarily offensive (aggressive, runs at the enemy), primarily defensive (keeps enemy at a distance, prioritizes ranged damage and staying alive), primarily support/healing (self-explanatory), or the default, a balanced mix. The closest thing this game had to options like that was the auto-cure materia. The exception to this was Red XIII because he was an immortal NPC who used special attacks on his own and, for me at least, that was really noticeable mainly because it was so different from how the other non-controlled characters behaved. Now I'm not saying I want all my uncontrolled characters to be unkillable. That'd be too much. There's a balance here. I just want them not to act like dumb dumbs and lumber mindlessly into danger. Like if I revived a character before getting the Arise spell, by default I was switching to them to get them the hell away so they don't just immediately get themselves merc'd again, cuz that happened...a lot. Like I get it's a simple strategy to have a second ATB charge lined up to restore HP right after reviving someone, but because it takes time to charge a spell, that can get interrupted, and it'd be nice if in desperate situations you could assume your non-controlled character with 5 HP would simply move more than 2 feet away from the damned robot. Sorry, that got ranty.
@@AzraelChaos my thoughts exactly, along with the enemies being way too tanky the combat clunkiness was the greatest detractor from this game besides the 15 hours of filler. Still really enjoyed it though especially when you could get your characters on a rotation to quickly charge their attacks and pump out a bunch of dps and actually win the fight in a timely fashion. Overall liked the game quite a lot with all the flaws just hope they learn from their mistakes with the next one.
I just wanted to say I didn't really get your complaint about the combat and the party's AI being bad. I didn't use AI at all, I issued commands to the party with R2/L2 as soon as their ATB filled up, it was really an amazing way to bring us something close to a turn based system. You don't get to set party members to prioritize healing or offense in the game settings but that's because they are playable.This game is enjoyed most by issuing commands to the party and not using AI. Also I love your videos so much, they're so entertaining and you really know your stuff!
This is the first video I've seen where somebody said exactly what I was thinking and feeling about the ending and the big plot twist. Glad to find a kindred spirit in this, and I'm really hoping that the rest of the entries make the best of it. There's SO much potential for what they can do now, but it's also easy to waste that potential if they're not careful. Too many other series have done it in the past, where they have a brilliant start but then lose that momentum as the story progresses.
@G he says in this video that ff7 is in his top 3 Favourite games He says in the resie 3 video that resie 4 is in his top 3 favourite games He says in the most anticipated games of 2017 video that windwaker is probably his favourite game
He is, but at the same time he's not wanting to get so swept up with the good he doesn't notice the bad. And it's honestly something I get. I have some friends who literally will get hype over a game & blow some money on it only to gigabrain how God-tier it is & then look at the flaws later. As if they suddenly exist. I honestly am not so oblivious to things like they can be
Such a huge fan of hearing the Cosmo Canyon theme at the end, one of my favorite songs to listen to from the original game. I am BEYOND excited to hear it redone with a modern take.
I think you sold me on the ending. I wasn’t sure about it but you made me rethink the possibilities. I was so ready to get defensive with you, but damn you and your powers of persuasion well constructed arguments.
I love the graveyard tbh. Using a phoenix down when the boss turns invisible to do heavy stagger damage was such a great call back to the older games, and I love it!
As someone who played and loved FF7 in modern times, The remake is awesome. I wholeheartedly agree with you about what they did to the story. I disagree about the combat, my play-style was all about micro-managing the other characters (which I think was to make the game feel more like the original), while constantly swapping characters and preparing for big attacks by assessing enemies and hitting weaknesses for staggers. Hard mode was a blast, but having to play all the side quests again (meaning I had to do them twice) in order to get all the skill books sucked.
If we're going sequels like that, pretty sure FFIV The After Years came out after X-2, but nobody ever talks about the main line franchise and includes the sequels, they're just referring to the Roman numeraled ones.
@@DJ-yw4qc lol wat? You mean an ATB system, which nearly every FF before 10... correction; ALL FFs had before 10. In fact, 10 was the only one with a true turn based system.
I’m so glad you mentioned the WEAPON theory. That’s how I interpreted the final boss, and when viewed that way it makes it pretty cool, lore-wise. I’m still not sure how I feel about the interdimensional stuff, but I wasn’t sure about making midgar a full game either and I loved every second of this one. I even liked the “padding”, though I understand the criticism and I think they could spice up the side content a lot more in future games. They’re still light years beyond the side quests in XV, at least.
Just had to say that I really love your take on the game. Finished it last night and was surprised by some of the vitriol coming from most comment sections. I’m right there with you in my excitement for the future of the series.
7:23 There is an option for it actually. I noticed a lot of users haven't done so through their own playthroughs. But have you tried L1+L2/R2 Shortcuts or Just L2/R2 in general. They allow you to control the others party members while you stay on your current one. I was watching another youtuber who seems to be using it. Let me know if you get a chance to test it out. (Or did you mean more like a general tactics telling them to fight a certain way the entire time. I know you talk about it just wasn't sure if you meant two different wants or just the one)
I am surprised you don't upload your streams, I am pretty late to the party but I would of loved to watch your vods of ff7. I just discovered your off a recommended ( the yms talks about death note to your video on it) and have been binging your content. I really love your, I don't know how to say it, laid back style? You get your opinions across in a very easy to listen to and also intelligent way, with confidence in your own opinions.
How fun one sees the fight with Hell House is totally based on how prepared you are for the battle. I didn't have the appropriate materia set up and needed to rely on extremely debuffed mashing to wittle it down over a long period of time. In retrospect, I should have just pressed pause and reset to before the battle and adjust everything. The fight was much more fun on a replay of the chapter where I was able to be more interactive with different magic to respond to different forms. (And while I'm sure it's tougher in the hard difficulty, the interplay with moves like counterstance, stronger summons, and higher tier limit breaks help even the playing field.)
Me: Restaurant(Sony/Nomura), please REMAKE me the dish I ordered last time. Restaurant: Sure, but this time it is only going to be the mashed potatoes portion, but don't worry, we will increase the portion size to a full plate, and change the spices/ingredients.
i had pretty much the same issues and i think the reason they added those really slow filler missions is because they felt bad about putting out a ~20h game after 5 years of hype
Honestly I wouldve been alright if they got rid of the slow parts and it was a 20 hour game but I guarantee you alot of people wouldve been up set about it and called it every type of trash they could because of that. I remember that game from the beginning of this console gen, The Order (whatever number 1786 i think) getting alot of shit because it was only a 20ish hour game and honestly I enjoyed it alot and was sad that it’s probably not gonna get a sequel because of that.
Thomas Moore you arent wrong but that was the main point everyone amd their mother complained about. Literally so many people only cried about the playtime that I went in expecting to be done in one night.
Thanks for this vid Marcus. When I finished this game I was a bit annoyed bc I didnt like the added plot element of the destiny ghosts, but then after you explained it the way you did, I realized that I just didnt understand it at first. I hope that they keep Aerith's death in the next game, but besides that Im excited to see what they do thats new now.
As a nooby, the zak thing was thebinly thing i was like oh who dat. Everything else was interesting and kept me hooked cos I didn’t know much and learning friendships and progress was class. The ending kinda made me feel like i wasn’t learning stuff everyone already knew even if that may be the case
I rather think that the downsides of the combat system are more like a design choice. To me, the game forces you to switch frequently between the characters to speed up the filling of everyone's ATB bar and diversify your panel of moves to avoid entering a routine. I see the lack of actions from the IA just the same as the easy-breaking swords in Breath of the Wild, which pushes you to use different kinds of weapons and vary your gameplay. Same for the **** flying enemies. You have to analyze their weaknesses and patterns and build a specific set of armor and materia to engage the fight smoothly. I think that going into a fight while being well-prepared makes it actually very smooth and super enjoyable, whereas the exact opposite happens when going unprepared. And I'm rather convinced of that because at ANY fight of the game, you can press start and retry just before engaging the enemy to change your build. And I think these mechanics are GOLD. About the heavy HP on some enemies, most of the time the use of magic is mandatory to get rid of their ridiculously high HP. It gets pretty relevant in hard mode when you can't recover your MP. Because of that stake, you have to carefully manage your magic resources and hit when it counts, and build more sophisticated close-combat builds to prevail. So yes, i don't see these points as downsides but as a very good gameplay to challenge you and experience the game differently. I love this game. SE can take my money anytime if I can still enjoy their content that much.
This method may force me to switch between all the characters but the original simply let me use ALL of them without having to switch or rely on stupid AI even partially so I'd still much rather play a more tactical menu based combat. As for Zelda making me use various weapons as the old ones break - FUCK THAT SHIT - Dark Souls doesn't need to make my weapons break every 2 seconds to make me use all the weapons, Dark Souls only had to make them interesting enough that I'd WANT to try them all, and when I'm not experimenting I can focus on using just one to really learn the ins and out of how it works. I can't learn a weapon that breaks in one combo.
@Ursa Major I think you have very accurately list all the major flaws built into this game's mechanics, excellent work. For me though they bring the game down all the way to a 6/10
Lazy AI not letting you specialize in one character for taste or A VALID STRATEGY is not a good fit Not FF13 bad (for some) bit we don't need/want AI that can beat the game on it's own either
There's so many quality of life changes the combat system needs. Decrease crowd control. You're either stunned, grabbed, slept, silenced, or it's immune to your attack. No more cut scenes mid battle. If you want multiple cutscenes in a battle than make separate bars, that way I'm not spamming my best shit into a surprise cutscene. No more flyers. Or super fast zippy dudes. Chasing isn't fun. Make limit breaks always hit. Lastly increase max MP.
I didn't die that much and managed to make the combat limitations work, but you definitely hit it on the nose with the padding, it not being newcomer friendly (not that it affected me), and the various positive things you said.
the thing i really hated was the little cut scenes in the boss fights, i never wanted to use my limit break because i was worried that i would do a sliver a damage, it goes into a cutscene or a fight mechanic and negate the rest of my limit. it happend to me multiple times.
yeah I was actually confused about a lot of his statements. Like when he said not being able to control characters without actively taking control. I mean I guess maybe he means not being able to give them auto commands like auto heal and stuff but you can most definitely issue commands to characters without switching to them.
@@revlarmilion9574 Although I did enjoy them both, I have to agree they were stretched WAY too long. I mean, really, did the train graveyard need TWO boss battles? And I'm not saying that just cuz the second boss (the chariot ghost) was a total kick in dick boss fight. Also didn't care for the boss battle with the Prototype machine in the train tunnel after jumping from the train. It wasn't a difficult fight, but felt unnecessary for a boss battle.
Idk how Marcus does it, but his reviews are always so great because I’m always engaged and find them fun to watch even if I have never touched the thing he’s talking about.
I knew they were doing something right on the chapter when you're climbing the ruins of Sector 7 to get to the Shinra building. The scene where you beat that three turreted robot and then Cloud and Barrett use their grappling guns to not fall. I knew one of them was going to have something happen to their cable, like, in the back of my mind I was like, "What's the over under that Barrett's cable snaps or something," and then it happened, and then I still audibly gasped. Like, I knew that he was going to survive. He has to. He has to be there until the end. I even had predicted that the exact thing that happened was going to happen, and it still got me. I was still worried for that character. I can honestly say that Barrett was probably one of my least favorite/least used characters from the original, right up there with Cait Sith. Now, I wanna see him evolve more. I am so looking forward to Corel and watching how they deal with the plot between him and Dyne. I am so hyped for that. Also, Cait Sith randomly showing up when the Sector 7 plate was falling? All I could think was, "Yeah, to us it's cool 'cause it's like a nod to the future of like, "Hey! There's Cait Sith!" but to anyone playing this for the first time they're just gonna be like, "Yo! Why was there a cat with shoes, a cap, and a crown just pounding his fist against the side of a building?!""
Sebastien Kennedy Inamoto Basically the time ghosts, who were forcing the timeline to stat exactly as it was in the old game, were killed be cloud meaning that the fate of the characters is not going to be exactly how it was in the original game (through I’m sure Aerith will still die). This caused another timeline to be created where Zack survives which is separate to the timeline we play in during the remake because his fate to die was broken. This was all Sephiroth’s big brain plan to free himself from the fate if losing to cloud in the original game and in Advent Children so the stakes are even higher for the crew. Also Cloud destroys fate because he and the rest of the party see into the future that even after the events of the original game and Advent Children a cataclysm happens which wipes out humanity (this is seen in the flash forward were red xiii is running towards the camera with his cubs centuries after the game to a person-less Midgar)
@@izuo3610 So basically, we get an entirely different plot with a similar ending? Regardless, a One-Winged Angel fight still sounds likely, but Supernova is definitely gonna get significant changes
As a first time consumer of anything Final Fantasy, I was completely lost after the game ended. Thanks to watching a video like this, I actually understand what went down. It's quite the bold and imo intelligent move to self-reference the story of the original game via the whispers and have that disbanded at the end of this game so that players don't know what to expect for the next two games.
I don’t remember what state I was in when I finished the game but it was after Sephiroth was announced for Smash so the way I looked at him in the game was “this is a total badass with incredibly destructive powers.” I didn’t care what his backstory was or his relation to Cloud because I knew all would be explained at some point. I just knew he was a guy that’s been haunting Cloud whether physically or just in his head and that really scared Cloud. And I think I knew who Sack was because of Me? Gongaga. It was from a video explaining the meme where I learned about his backstory and that he was even a character in FFVII in the first place. I’m glad I learned about his entire backstory when I first learned about him because I could see myself getting so invested in his character and then finding out about everything that happened to him and getting spoiled. But you can’t get spoiled if you learn about the existence and Spoiler about a character in the same sentence. So going into Crisis Core, I knew what to expect which allowed me to play the game with the mindset of having this story foresight and still enjoying the game and experiencing the other surprise story beats at the same time. So I think a newcomer who has the patience to invest in the story can enjoy this game. This is one of my favorite games and it’s my 3rd time playing it. I’m editing it into a movie and removing all of the filler that I’ve grown to accept as needless padding. So I accept that this game has flaws but I still love it so much that I’m dedicating dozens of hours of my free time editing this movie just for fun.
"Unless your name is Persona, you're gonna be hard pressed to get anyone interested in turn based combat."
I'm still not used to how big Persona has gotten sometimes. As an old fan, its goddamn wild.
I just want SMTV man
Yeah it got me to care about turn-based rpgs
@@chipslight738 I'm trying to forget they ever announced it so I can be surprised when I hear about it again when I'm 80
Im playing P5 and absolutely loving it...what is the best way to play P4 and P3?I don't have a Vita
Persona is gay
The train graveyard honestly felt weird to me because all I could think was “the Plate is falling, there’s a literal war right over there!! I don’t have time for Ghostbusters right now!!!”
But the ghost is sad. And maybe Aerith dicked around there as a child. We have time for this.
Totally agreed, especially when they begin to see the helicopters
@@BenoitAdam Might've worked better if they left it as "No way they would do it." from Tifa, do the ghostcapades, and then after the boss, the helicopters make it real.
draco89123 I should probably clarify, I loved the ghosts and the haunting atmosphere of the trains! It was very cool, I just think it was odd to put it at a really dramatic story moment with tension and urgency. I wish I had the opportunity to encounter both the ghosts and the “plate is falling scenario” separate from each other, but oh well 🤷♂️
@@johnallen6254 Yeah maybe Sector 5 part when you're messing around with Aeris anyway.
Whispers. When plot armor has evolved into a genuine plot device on a sort of meta level that none of us expected.
Have you seen Easy Allies discussion with Maximillian Dood? If not, they dove into the whole Whisper/Sephiroth/Aerith/Planet theories and what they might mean and if you enjoy that kind of ''Next level meta mindfuck'', you might enjoy their video. I couldn't stand the Whispers and the ending, but their discussion definitely gave me a brand new appreciation for the ending and made my 2nd playthrough very eye opening.
That's Nomura for you. He's got interesting ideas (even if alot of them are pretty dumb)
One Piece does the same. The author and the audience know Luffy can not die so he wrote a scene glorifying his luck and it is one of the best on the whole series to be honest
honestly i fucking hated the ending with the whispers personally. However i can def appreciate the idea behind it and it gets set up properly. personally those types of over convoluted “meta” stories just always leave me feeling empty without any sense of accomplishment and no weight of my actions story wise. i think it’s a natural instinct to want all your favourite characters to survive and have a happy ending and with these types of meta stories that becomes a possibility, but truth is, some characters oftentimes become beloved and memorable because of their sacrifice and the weight that follows. however that’s just pure personal preference and i know a lot of people love these types of mindfuck ideas, so i don’t think FF7R is necessary bad because of it. just a different type of story not everybody is going to enjoy
"Sort of meta" mkay bruh.
One note I’d like to make on this game’s presentation:
*EVERYONE IS SO HOT*
Except random citizens
Cloud is prettier than tifa and aerith
@@Julian-nd5cl Rufus prettier then Cloud.
@JEFF boi oh god no remembering their faces meakes me wince
Welcome to JRPGs kiddo
The sewer and train graveyard were in the original, they were just short.
TBH I hated the train graveyard in the original, so if they've taken that bit and made it way longer, well.... that sucks.
I didn't like the original train graveyard and it was forgettable. I thought it was nice in the remake. Sewers was the only part I just wanna get through because it was so uninteresting.
I think you can blow through the pair of them in under 10 mins
Which is a bit of a problem
Funny, I see a lot of people saying they disliked the Train Graveyard this time around, but I enjoyed it. Sewers was a bit meh though. I think the large problem with the Graveyard though is that the Sewers precedes it, whether you enjoyed them or not, it makes Graveyard feel like a slog. Every other area generally grants you the ability to return to town after. Not Sewers/Graveyard though.
“Unless your name is Persona”
Cries in Pokemon
*Cries in Dragon Quest*
Cries in Paper Mario
Cries in Shin Megami Tensei (which Persona just kinda devoured and there hasn’t been word on Shin Megami Tensei V for like Three years because Atlus is putting all their effort into Persona now. Why do I even care? I’ve never even played a SMT game.
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Pokemon is a husk of its former self. Can't name a more washed up franchise than Pokemon.
“OMG ALL ARE FRIENDS ARE GOING TO DIE, THE PLATAFORM IS GOING TO FALL, but first lets explore the backstory of this ghost childs on this abandoned area”
Sewers in FF7 : 2 screens
Sewers in FF7 Remake : Whole Chapter
Actually it's 2 chapters where you have to revisit the same area all over again as if one long boring chapter wasn't enough to add to the stretching this game thin.
Blade of Mird At least you visit different areas of the places you revisit in that game to keep them somewhat fresh. And honestly the second sewer visit would be fine without the whole ‘chasing down the thing that stole the key’ thing.
@@superlombax1561 My problem was that in the second visit in the sewers we visited the exact same area. And to add insult to injury it also had a section with forced walking.
The forced walking in general was one of the things that annoyed me the most in the game.
They should of made Corneo the boss fight for the sewer level part 2, not his pet monster
@@bladeofmird Square needs to fire whoever thought it was a good idea to have TWO sewer levels in this game. Sewer levels have sucked since the 90s. It's 2020 now...surely there are better ways to pad out a game than a damn sewer level :/
I’m just relieved that they managed to get the characters right. If they acted like how they did in Advent Children, it would not have worked.
I shouldn't be on youtube right now nah not really
I shouldn't be on youtube right now personally I believe that the characters were portrayed accurately throughout the game like how cloud isn’t emo or looking for “a reason to fight” or how Aerith isn’t some pure infallible angel like she is in AC and it made sense that she was talking about the planet and destiny since she is an ancient. In regards to the ending, I understand how older fans feel about how destiny was destroyed leaving an “unknown journey” but if you look into the new lore of the game, the implications are much grander and could leave room for more interesting scenarios which are not tied down by the constraints of the original narrative. While FF7 is my favourite FF, with the new opportunity the dev team have I don’t blame them for this direction and believe it hold exciting prospects for the next parts.
@@sub.sa.3058 I think you're right on the money, I felt the same when I was playing through it. They suddenly stopped talking like real people and got super preachy out of nowhere, Aerith especially.
We do not need Linkin Park Cloud
I was shocked at how much I liked Barret in this one. And I never thought a relationship between Tifa and Ameritech would be so good.
the train graveyard was in the original, it was just like a 5 minute section
Actually i think it was a signal area that you see but nothing happens near it
beanos requiem i legit just replayed the original a few days ago. you go through the train graveyard and do some puzzles that require you to crash old trains into each other
Hey I'm just glad he acknowledges that it's great but has alot of dumb crap and that its very flawed. All I've been hearing are remake haters giving it a 0 and dumb tasteless fanboys giving it a 10 and saying "the only problem is having to wait for the next segment".. like really?... it had NO other problems. Lol I'd personally give this game Ironically a 7.. maybeeee an 8.
More like 15 but yeah it was there, I like it in the remake as they're adding context for the enemies in the original. Like the hell house or the ghosts
@@audreybauer6860 Yeah but did those even need context? Lol they don't give content to the majority of the other enemies so why waste time? Like it was cute with hell house but not after that.
I like your interpretations on the Whispers and Sephiroth, And that honestly makes me appreciate the FF7R ending a bit more, regardless of the fact that it sorta came out of nowhere.
I thought the same thing! I was late to playing the game and my friends were constantly telling me that the ending and certain plot choices were "Interestingly weird" so I was looking out for them. I didn't know what to think as I finished the game but this explanation kinds makes me love it. I sincerely didn't think about the implications of killing the big Whisper boss.
It has taken me 2 and a half years to process the ending for this game. Not only is the og timeline altered, now we're gonna be expecting the unexpected for FF7 Rebirth
Why would Baret go against the planet?
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But it didnt itwas set up a the start
I was actually feeling quite anxious/nervous during chapter 18. So in that sense, I felt that the whole "anything could happen" aspect worked tremendously.
I went nuts when one winged Angel started. WAIT WERE DOING THIS NOW?!(this isn’t right, this isn’t right) DGAFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!
the final scene when cloud and aerith walk past zack and the music hits is done so fucking well in my opinion
Yeah, I agree with your point about Sephiroth. Fun fact, he was actually largely inspired by the shark from "Jaws," as the shark wasn't actually seen for most of the movie, which added tension and made it scarier.
Also, I see you using the Cosmo Canyon track for the end (cosmonaut, haha very funny).
Remake Seph is just Nomura's excuse to turn FF7 into KH. And he know he can get away with it because ppl love Sephiroth.
@@ELFanatic Or its him and Nojima adding the Compilation Element to Sephiroth's Character. Like his Solider Self, Core Self and Jenova Self, as well as the whole "if forgotten by Cloud, will cease to Exist" thing. Especially considering the fact that he IS Post-AC Sephiroth
@@dekaidoku iiiick to all that.
@@ELFanatic Its not turning FF into KH, its more.... adding everything that they found value in post-FF7. Which is where I hope they will throw away the Garbage like Deep Ground and Everything INVOLVING Dirge of Cerberus, ALL OF IT (Okay maybe keep SOME things, but I wouldn't mind if we could just KILL THEM LIKE WE KILLED KADAJ, YAZOO AND LOZ in the Remake, which by the way, we did, they were the Whisper Trio). Plus, give Nomura some credit man. He is one of the 4 people behind the ORIGINAL FF7 and he made Tifa, like a ALL of her Character alongside Nojima.
@@dekaidoku I don't want none of that. I just wanted 7. I don't need a 2 hour game of retcons
"Everyone's a damage-sponge"
May I introduce you to my religion? Xenoblade Chronicles.
Amen
Let’s show em a thing or three
Xenoblade 1 didn't really have many damage sponge enemies, the bosses were the only ones that had a lot of health which made sense.
"both brilliant and flawed" ...So I'm having this dilemma where I 100% agree with this statement, but I still want to fight you for saying it.
Such is the way with Cosmonaut
The only thing I don't like about the ending is that it's a blank check for Tetsuy a Nomura to write whatever he wants. I want to have faith... but everything he's ever made has started strong then gone insane. Dude loves needlessly complicated nonsense. I won't get mad until I see what he does with it, though.
Agreed just don't go crazy with the time line bull---WAIT!! CU CHULAINN DAT YOU?!?!
Lancer Guy Nomora isn’t the scenario writer of the story just the director of the project as a whole. The writer of the game is actually the old writer of the original game
@@izuo3610 I heard that it was the same guy! Thats pretty damn cool I trust he knows what he's doing!
Keep in mind that Nomura is not the only person working on this game. He's not the only director, and he's not even credited as a writer. Hell, the whole fighting fate aspect of the ending seems much more like a Toriyama thing, and Toriyama is a co-director on this game. People can feel however they want about this remake and its future parts, but I think they need to stop blaming Nomura for absolutely everything like he's the only person with any input.
And just in case your wondering who is in charge of what, Yoshinori Kitase is the producer (and in many games, it seems like the producer has more control than the director), Nomura, Naoki Hamaguchi, and Motomu Toriyama are the directors, and Kazushige Nojima, Toriyama, Hiroaki Iwaki, and Sachie Hirano are the writers. Kitase, Nomura, Toriyama, and Nojima were all also involved with the original VII.
keybladesrus thanks bro. More people NEED to hear this. Tbh with all of the issues with the engine, changing developers, management issue and other things before launch its crazy that this game came out as good as it did. I was half expecting it to blow up my PS4 😂
I'd love to hear his full opinion on Persona, there's so much to talk about
Wobbuffet64 Dear lord I’ve played over 100 hours of Persona 5 Royal and I’m not even done yet
@@TheJadedJames HA I'm at 137 hours still not done
The whole series, or the latest ones
I lived through the Philemon Saga in PlayStation, FYI
I love Persona 5 but I also really like the Persona Q spin offs. They dont seem to be that popular but I enjoy them a lot.
he said he only played 3 and doesn’t really want to play 5 or any other because it’s so long
"I love Sephiroth in OG FF7, but HATE him in everything else. He's the biggest example of an overused character."
I'm screaming, your comment about Sephiroth is EXACTLY my feelings about him that I've been trying to convey for a billion years. OG Sephiroth didn't show up that often but he packed a punch when he did, and it just always gave him a mysterious, otherworldly vibe. I felt legit afraid when he showed up. All subsequent iterations of Sephiroth just make him into the smirky villain and it just cheapens him for me.
5:20 - That's because you didn't figure out the pressure/stagger system. They are sponges because you're not supposed to be able to take them down with basic attacks. You need to have actual strategy and use your special abilities at the right time. Once you figure out that mechanics the spongey enemies are actually quite easy to cut through.
That said... I wish that there was a melding with some of FFXII mechanics with gambits. I was happy when I saw a Materia called Auto-Cure, which was awesome. Wish there was more of that so that when you're not playing at these other characters they have specific directions to execute without you having to micromanage.
lol right? i've seen people complaining about enemies being bullet sponges and all they're doing is pressing square and triple slashing every once in a while
If you know how to use the battle system, there are very few fights that last a long time, if you're bad and you're just mashing/panicking i can see why you're frustrated lol, and it's weird to complain about the AI when the point is to control everyone like on the original, however if you wanted a casual fight, they should have a system like that, i hate it but it's not for me, accessibility is huge these days.
If anyone played through the entire game without figuring out about the pressure, stagger system, that person has problems. And I'm sure he figured it out. Even with the stagger system, Enemies in the later games do have a lot of health when the ordinary Shinra troops get replaced with SOLDIERs and Elite Troopers.
@@YounBryan I mean it is a boring and tedious way of fighting after a short while. It's just a not very fun way of combat imo. Once decided to not use abilities... game felt like MONSTER HUNTER.. enemies take more hits than DMC 5 on the hardest difficulty.
The ending first blew my mind and made me angry and upset, and then I fanboyed out that I was basically going to play it for the first time all over again when the next parts come out.
So you're an idiot, good to know.
@@AzureRoxe why you calling him an idiot? Lol.
@@AzureRoxe Literally no reason for you to respond like this. Calm the fuck down dude lmaoo
I never played the origional (But I know most of the plot points) and I like how both fans and new comers can be excited and theorizing about what happens next
@@whatif9854 The internet has too many angry socially inept people, its sad that this is considered normal behaviour to some people. We can't even discuss differing opinions without a few of these guys hurling insults.
So this is a Cosmo-Not Quickie?...
Don’t hate me, I tried lol
Heather Holt nice one.
Nice one,my guy
Cosmo… Canyon? :)
7/10, and that’s proof enough that the Final Fantasy 7 and Final Fantasy 10 universe are connected
10-2 does have a character named Shinra...
@@taylord5381 Its already known that both share the same universe
@@chrislangton4662 and I hate it...
Taylord you hate that multiple games in the exact same series share the same universe? You must hate when anything gets a direct sequel then.
@@Aplesedjr nah. Just when final fantasy does it. One reason why i love this series is that every new game started fresh. Like some gameplay or plot devices may carry over, but each new game otherwise had a new world, new characters, new plot, and new gameplay. And when they start implying one game may share the same universe as another it kind of loses its magic. Plus, I think square is better at making one off plots and not expansive universes that spread across different games or media, you know if the ff7 compilation, or those games and books based on ff10, or kingdom hearts is anything to go by.
At first I thought the point of the ghosts were for Cloud to end up saving Aerith. I love the idea that Sephiroth is manipulating everything so he can finally win.
Yeah It would make more sense ! I agree
“You can’t tell them to do stuff when you’re not controlling them”
L2 and R2 my guy
pretty sure he means like regular basic attacking to build up the gauge, or getting the fuck out of the way and not taking unnecessary damage.
Like I want Barrett to do his overcharge when it’s fucking ready lmao
@@thats4thebirds That's why you switch to controlling them. The unique moves and the faster atb charging is what encourage you to use the other party members rather than sticking to cloud the entire time.
@@NamsCompendium Its still incredibly retarded that the character with a fucking machine gun grafted to his arm walks into MELEE range instead if shooting from afar.
Watch the video again, either you missed what he meant or you're being obtuse in purpose
Hey Cosmonaut, just letting you know that I can't wait to hear your take on Star Wars: The Clone Wars Season 7 if you ever make a video about it! For that matter, I would also be interested to hear you talk about Star Wars: Resistance and the Mandalorian. Keep up the awesome content.
He hasn't watched Season 7 yet. He's kinda burnt out on SW.
I want him to talk about the Tartakovsky Clone Wars from 2003.
Proggy Froggy that’s pretty reasonable.
@@KhaosKontroller I'm shocked he didn't jump on CW right away. I know that's his shit.
Only two more episodes in the season and a 40 minute season finale. God, I love the show.
Sephiroth, what have you done?
You changed the future!!
You've created a time paradox!
When you like them, they're called freedom fighters.
The train graveyard was in the original.
Yeah I was gonna say. Sure its nowhere near as long, but I really enjoyed that boss fight and the narrative additions surrounding Aerith. Just should have cut about half of that section down and it would have been amazing.
@@Astraldymensions honestly they couldve done that for all the other padding and i wouldve loved it. The whole hojo thing at the end was annoying and those padding likr he said makes me not want to go replay it eventhough i want too
"My top 3 games of all time"....
as were the sewers lol
I hated train graveyard in the original just as much :D
finally someone explained what happened, this is an alternate timeline and new shit is happening. I'm so excited for what's to come! Thank you for helping me understand what the hell was going on with the ending! I played the original and loved it.
People have been talking about this for the past week.
Hack writing
@@Etridamu yeah, even by just playing the game it is kinda explained, by the visions of future and past, and the word "fate" being thrown here and there.
Well I’m sure that most people were able to finish it and talk about it, but was not one of those people. I finished it about 2-3 days ago and decided to still stay away from any research to have my own opinion on the game. I usually trust Marcus’s opinion about games and movies so I watched this and he explained it. So sorry that I still have work and school to consider and can’t devote 100% of my time to playing games and understand their stories.
Dade Lee Murphy Final Fantasy 7: Kingdom Hearts retarded fuckery edition
ff7 virgin here, can definitely confirm that the ending had me 110% lost. I could sense the plot ghosts were clearly geared towards old fans which didn't help either. What did have me interested was Cloud's vision headaches, Aerith's mysterious powers, and Sephiroth. I appreciate the message that they'll be trying new things, but im really hoping the next installments stay away from the meta commentary that'll make 0 sense to players like me and just tell a good story.
Or you know, you could have both? I don't understand what's hard to understand about this story without prior knowledge
@@marciamakesmusic I'm not a fan of meta mixed with conventional story-telling personally. The story was going at a steady, mysterious pace up until we got aerith out. Once we go dimension hopping for a vague mission of saving the world from whatever sephiroth has planned, it lost me. It was still fun though, great boss fight.
Red Cloak I’d recommend playing through the original FF7 if it lost you. Or, at least look up a summary of the story on UA-cam. I fear the remake part 2 will continue to treat the player as a FF7 veteran.
Red Cloak this is a sequel to ff7, it's necessary to play the og to fully understand the story
It's not a bad thing that new players feel lost. I think a bunch of older players sometimes forget a few of those moments in the original game that had you going "what in the ever living hell?!?" So the remake ending is not really too out of the way. I do agree with the criticisms that it feel out of nowhere and could of been lead up a bit better. Though with a second playthrough you do see the small hints of it that you didn't pay any mind to the first time through. The main problem is that we have to wait 3 years to find out what it all means. Before, you could just keep playing and you could find those explanations in the next 6 hours or so.
This game’s worst sin is that I can’t play as Red XIII
You actually CAN play as him via hacking your party. He has HP/MP and stats, proper movement and combos. No Triangle button attack or abilities though.
Seems like he will be playable in the next game, they just didn't want to teach you a new playstyle with 2 chapters left in the game, so they kept him AI-controlled.
They probably didn't want to have to make his movesets, weapons and and AI just for you to use him for like 3 chapters.
We'll 100% play him in the next game
@@BubbleTea033 His movesets lacks a ton of moves and animation. He was not meant to be a controllable character in this game
As long as I can learn the rocket materia from the mechs outside the city and have an ass powered rocket salvo ratdog in VIIR2 it's good
The combat is way easier if you just continue to switch characters
Or give characters you aren't controlling commands. Tell Aerith to heal or revive when you aren't playing her and she will always do it, cause enemies always prioritise who the player is controlling; knowing this alone makes everything more fun and controllable
That’s what I thought while watching this video I never had a problem because I was constantly switching it is tempting to stick around and watch the animations but I find battles are easier when you all you look at are the command menus and staggers
@@jessica2575 i don't want to be the guy to say it, but he just sucks at playing and put the blame on the game.
@@Rihcterwilker so true
Seriously! The problem is the combat is designed to be played that way but people want it to be something it's not rather than just learning to play by the games own rules. I also think people fail to set up their weapons and materia correctly. I spent a LOT of time in my menus managing materia and shuffling weapons around. Once you figure it out combat gets pretty easy and a lot of fun
This game's ending gives me a similar vibe to Half-life alyx's ending, in the sense that anything can happen.
While these two games are comparable in their mission to resurrect/reboot a decades-old classic story, I think that FF7R seems to pull it off better than Alyx, based off playing Half-Life: Alyx and reading up on FF7R online. Based on this, it seems that that alternate timeline story and the time ghosts seeking to restore the natural plot of the 1998 story, as well as Cloud and Sephiroth being aware of this, has been naturally built up and integrated throughout the game. As gameplay segments, characters, and plot points are expanded upon in the remake, it fits well in revisioning what Final Fantasy VII could become in the future and what it will means for the characters and the players as well.
Whereas in Alyx, the ending twist comes in the very last minutes of the game to redeem a decades-old mistake to try and breath new life into Half-Life, and it comes out of nowhere. Granted, the game does establish from the beginning that the narrative (and the player) knows that that event will happen in Episode 2, but then drops it 1/3 into the story only to bring it back at the very last moment. In my view, the twist is unearned and frustrating from the plot contrivances and conveniences that it took to get there.
Expect Alyx's ending was good and didn't rely on fan service
@@Nicholas.Villeneuve in my opinion, HLA's ending was executed very well and it almost felt like it was planned all along (which isn't the case) the gman always had his eyes on alyx and he was always planning to let go of Gordon etc. The new writers knew what they were doing.
Everyone wants anything to happen in HL. Every HL has been phenomenal. Square hasn't arguably made a good game since early 2000's. And Square loves to overdose on obfuscating storylines.
@Mad Dog Billy FF7R plot is horrible. All it managed to do is take the potency out of scenes. Seph's original intro was blood streaked through the halls of Shinra only to find that Seph had murdered him. That's your intro to Seph. You know nothing about him, except that he's violent and a menace. He doesn't care about you or your team, his ambitions make no sense to you. You realize how much more there is to learn in this universe. Barrett being stabbed so that your party can be 3 for a boss fight only takes away the potency of Aeris' death. They comic booked death in this one. Anyone who dies may not actually stay dead. Seph in the original was insanely stronger than you. Now he's just a level 20 boss fight. nothing to be scared of. The cloaked ghosts are gimmicky and reek of kh style story telling. The changes are baaaaad.
I found that instead of hoping the other members of your party do stuff, you actually have to switch between them rapidly in order to use their abilities off cooldown. My playthrough had a lot of swapping between members that were each useful in different situations, very quickly on the fly.
The sewer and train graveyard were in the original game. The problem is that they only took up about four to five screens. This section was meant as a way to cool off after (potential spoilers) meeting Don Corneo and hearing Plate 7 is going to be dropped. Since this game wants to be full length they stretched the section out to one full chapter.
i think you’re meant to be constantly switching between party members.
that's how I played and had a blast
Ya many people got used to controlling one person.
Yeah between all kinds of different enemies I think you’re meant to constantly switch characters. You get overwhelmed if you main one character.
It's 100% intended to switch constantly depending on what you're fighting. Anyone who didn't missed out on a lot of fun and it made it the combat much more fresh as well
Also if you really just want to stick to one character and only use skills for the other characters when you need to. Put a fury ring on them it makes it so that they actively seek out to fight the enemies instead of just doodling around doing nothing.
I swear One winged angel is the most epic theme I've ever heard
Sephiroth theme.
It always has been one of the best video game songs ever.
I put it up there with Guile’s theme
7 had awesome music for specificaly for epicness i think ff8 wins, or kafka ff6 all movements
I think To Zanarkand is the best but these two songs are so different. Let’s agree Nobuo is truly the Beethoven of game soundtracks.
Marcus geeking out towards the end is the cutest thing
great video, my dude. honestly? it helped me understand the ending SO much better than during my first playthrough. totally subscribing!
I liked the sewers and train graveyard section 🤷♀️ watching Tifa and Aerith become friends ❤️
WTF.
There was zero friction to begin with.
They became friends in a matter of seconds.
It's terrible shonen anime garbage.
Generic Gmail Account I don’t understand, do you think there needed to be friction between Tifa and Aerith? If so, why? If you played the original Final Fantasy 7, Tifa and Aerith did not have friction and became very close. Tifa was just as devastated as Cloud with Aerith’s death. In fact it was Aerith who helped protect Tifa when she went into the lifestream to help Cloud sort out his identity crisis... or do you just think all women should hate each other and fight over a man? You should replay the original game
@@jamiedandy8311 I didn't made them into thirsty anime girls, the devs did.
I didn't create the lazy, manipulative and cringy love square (how ironic), the devs did.
I didn't made these 2 women who know nothing about each other hit it off as if they were old buddies, the devs did.
Barrett is the only main character that acts remotely like a human being in this story.
Generic Gmail Account sounds like you had issues with them since the original game. Good luck with that. I think their friendship was natural and well done in both games and true to their characters personality. Also Barret was nice but he was definitely the least relatable character to me, especially compared to Tifa and Aerith.
What the fuck happens in the trainyard and sewers that is significant enough for them to now be friends that wouldn't happen in the other games or hasn't happened elsewhere?
God people like you struggle to justify anything, dipshit
"I've not liked a square enix game in years"
Nier Automata: I'm I a joke to you?
To be fair that was made by platinum games and square enix was "only" giving the money
bungi fish Yeah, and he said he loved FFXV when it first came out, and the game was basically unfinished when it first came out. Kingdom Hearts 3 makes sense, though.
@@francesco8000 not necessarily, the franchise belongs to square, the gameplay mechanics was the only thing platinum did. And imo the best thing was it's story and that was made by the genius Yoko taro who is part of square enix.
bungi fish Hitman & Hitman 2: am I a joke to you?
I really love that game, I might just play it again today.
‘AI is bad’
I thought the same, then I learned how to play.
Hell yeah. the ai was meant to play idle and defensively. Switching between characters is vital and is pushed for
I know right. You can literally give your AI's commands through the menu without actually switching to them. I guess Cosmo just missed that.
But I like the game forces you to give other party members the right commands on the right time, so it doesn't feel like the game is playing itself, which I would hate.
😂😂😂
I wont judge him. I did everything I could in this game and my game save has 160 hours but in my first 40 which was my first playthrough I really wasnt great and couldn't understand the fights. When I did my hard mode playthrough I was looking at the fights in a different way and now having more experience with the gameplay itself and from there I really learned how these damage sponges can just get destroyed with heavy hitting ability after heavy hitting ability
But yeah its not easy to see these things at the first time. I didn't get the hell house fight first time playing it so I just brute forced it but it was still fun for me so that's what counts for me
@@pedropereira6888 for real. Incredibly fun combat system, but also one of the hardest to master in any game I've seen. It's meant to imitate a turn based style, while still letting you have full control over your movement, just like an action game. It's a really unique fusion of two genres, and I feel that it plays like a truly modern version of the old turn based style. Easily one of the best things in the game.
3:43 actually, that was in the original
Lots of people have said that so I'll only make this comment once and hope it sticks. I'm pretty sure he said that in terms of additional content. Not that the Train Graveyard *was there* but that it was over an hour longer. Also, by context of what he's saying he's including the Sewers as well and that was an even shorter section in the original and much longer in the remake. Slapping them both together really feels like a slog for a lot of people.
I initially hated the ending of this game as an OG fan...but after hearing your take and some others from content creators I respect Im warming up to it a lot. Im going to somehow be more hyped for part 2 than I ever thought I could be
The thing is, the stakes right now are so high for where the current story is. It was impossible for the party to win against this version of Sephiroth. He really just seems to be toying with them to see if will be ready for what is coming, and fall and can fulfill his plans.
Sephiroth skill alone is already something to fear, him knowing the events that lead to his defeat just makes him even more dangerous to deal with. The only other person who really knows what is happening is Aerith herself, and it seems she is acting reluctant/hesitant because she knows her fate and is wishing if it could be changed somehow if they defy Destiny (the camera work with shots and the angles on her face and how her body language shows that she is hiding something, or is trying not to show her real feelings is incredibly done).
I think that maybe Red XIII must know something else too. Aerith makes a lot faces/expressions to him when trying to explain to the party what is happening, and how he knows all these things. She makes that face "tell them just the necessary, it isn't the time for them to know every detail yet".
This new FFVII can go places and achieve heights that Square only dreamed of for years. But only if it's done right.
Lol yeah, let other people influence your opinion...don't think for yourself.
I'll be honest, I loved everything until the end. I knew all the major plot points, but never actually played the game. I've always wondered about it and when I heard about the remake being "faithful" I assumed small changes might happen. I'm a little disappointed because this means I'll never get to play the game everyone else played. It's pretty much the main reason I got the game too. I'm fine with what I have, but still a bit disappointed it wasn't what I thought they were advertising.
I mean.. It may not have aged to your liking, but the original game still exists and its available on every platform out there. You can still play the game everyone else played.
@@yasuke267 thats exactly what i was about to say, Ive never played the original so I plan to beat the remake then go back to the original
@@yasuke267 that's true...I mean the whole revamped graphics was what drew me to this the most, but at this point I might just play the original so I can see the whole story
@@TheDeviousYodeler And there's also plenty of mods and re-translations that try to fix the shortcomings the original had
Its not like the original game is gone. There a billion ports of the game and mods on the PC version that even tone up the graphics and fix the translation issues
the combat is the way it is because you're not intended to camp one character, but constantly switch between the three of them regularly. There are specific builds and materia designed to play around this, so that you can optimize characters that you aren't centering on. Hard mode, especially super bosses, really requires you to understand the nuance of what's expected here. On one level, I'd say your general criticisms amount to "get gud", but on another level I can understand why someone would be adverse to this expectation. Outside of annoying aerial combat being dumb, I feel like the "random bullshit" is less of a design issue and more of a skill/knowledge issue.
I loved the execution of this combat far more than any other square game, especially 15 which is probably my least favorite game of all time. But even then, I'll concede that SOME additional control of AI controlled allies would be helpful here. I don't think it needs full on gambit design, like in ff12 as that would be directly counter to the combat intent/design of the game. But it would be nice to designate characters to be set to "range" or "mele" or "aggressive" or "defensive". Seeing Aerith run out of her ward and directly into the face of the enemy gives me conniptions.
Yeah I honestly loved the combat and there’s definitely a level of depth that Cosmo didn’t even touch on, but he’s right about the chaotic and random bullshit issue, the Whisper Bahamut is where this is more evident, he has an attack that single handedly kills most of the party and even though you can prevent this attack by using your Limit, if by some chance you didn’t manage to build it up and the boss casts the attack, you’re pretty much fucked (it didn’t help that losing to this boss meant a 20 min redo of the whole segment since the checkpoint is awfully placed)
@@SnaggingRaccoon There are other ways to deal with megaflare, like manawall and Reprieve. When you play through hard mode and the secret challenge boss, it basically requires you get comfortable with the stuff that seems like random bullshit and counter it. I didn't know you could interrupt it with limit though, that's interesting
It's because at its base view.. it's NOT very fun to have to micromanage characters during a fight. I would say that it bothered me like Age of Calamity.. but those characters weren't completely braindead when I wasn't in control.
... it's like having a team full of donalds from kingdom hearts.. useless lmao.
@@hypeman1825 well, I didn't have any issue wiht it. It felt super smooth snapping between each of em. And then you get so good at it that you have one skill Goin, swap to the next character and have their skill Goin, swap to aerith for a second so you can shoot off a heal. It feels REALLY solid and clean when you get into the groove. And the skill ceiling is ridiculous. Just look up the crazy shit people pull off in the game. It doesn't really feel micromanagey to me. The only thing that DID feel like I had to micromanage was controlling aerith to make sure she would keep at a distance. THAT is something that was frustrating that we should be able to control (range)
@@StarlightDragon It definitely has polish but I found it more toward the tedious side as unless I'm constantly swapping and micromanaging.. I'm not gonna get far (especially on hard). For a game that has characters with such unique basic combat sets.. it's disappointing that so so many fights aren't about the combat itself but the managing of ATBs to actually dish out the important damage.
It feels less like a fight and more of a battle of attrition to keep my character's away from damage and to build up ATB.
Thats why I said it should have just gone to one or the other. I don't get the fulfilling sense of real time combat like devil may cry or the feeling of outsmarting enemies in a game of chess like turn based combat.
Yaaay! I really love this look at the game! When I figured out what Aerith was talking about in the end and them destroying the ghost, it was like a sea of possibilities opening up.
You realize that you're supposed to switch characters constantly like a maniac to charge their ATB? That's why it's more of a pseudo turn-based game and if you're thinking about it like a pure action RPG you will get frustrated.
If the game doesn't lead you to understand that...
@@Ramsey276one well most people understood that Marcus is just bad at video games
You can also order your party members to heal themselves. The only thing you can't control about the ai is when they use a normal attack or the special triangle attack
"It's real time"...
But you have to switch characters constantly.
"It's turn based"...
But you can't even issue basic commands.
"It's a hybrid system"
Oh it's a worst of both worlds, now i know why it doesn't work.
@@ffxiisucks hybrid systems are fine just look at every mmo ever made
I played the demo i'm like 90% sure you can make your party members cast a specific spell while not playing as them
nope not without the synergy materia, which was not in the demo
Obviously you can,I don't know what the hell these dudes are talking about
You can press L2 or R2 to give them a command without switching to them. What I think he was trying to say is that they wouldnt use ATB on their own without your input
@@AyazU2589 incorrect, pressing L2/R2 brings up the ally command screen while still controlling the character you were controlling, where you can use their abilities (Except for Triangle abilities) as long as they have the right amount of ATB and or MP. I didn't get into the deeper ally controls but I also believe you can setup shortcuts using L2/R2 + Square/Cross/Circle/Triangle to quick-use ally commands without bringing up any menus.
Ayaz Synergy materia has nothing to do with controlling party members bro
I honestly am kind of excited to see alternate time lines where Aerith doesn't die and Zack is still alive. I'm happy they're not just re-telling but really hope they (Nomura) doesn't go too crazy...keep him on a leash!
I read the title as "Fast & Furious 7 Remake" and I was all "When? Where?? How???"
Lool 😂
3:30 The jounery through the Sewer and the Train Graveyard WERE in the original.
Yeah but it was way shorter.
@@ghostdavid4838 Yeah, and expanded upon.
@Quick Thinking lol no
@Quick Thinking He was talking about all the puzzles and padding in these areas. Nice interpretation skills, mate
@Quick Thinking the train graveyard wasn't a "main story section" in the original. It was literally two screens with a handful of puzzles.
Claims it’s his top 3 game of all time, forgets the train yard was in the original
Good boy joe 😂😂😂
Yeah the 2 minutes I spent there was totally relevant compared to the HOUR I did here in the remake helping Aerith and her dumb ghost friend. Lol if you ask me they're partly to blame for the deaths in this version since they wanna waste so much time.
Also that's a part where you have to steal a thing from a ghost I don't remember what because I'm too old to remember things now...
@@mattkrause1573 that would be the Striking Staff :) and it turns out you steal a weapon in this game from that same enemy lol
Yea but it was sub 5 minutes.it stretched out trash
You were spot on with the ending breakdown.
I do see your points in regards to the padding throughout the game. I personally was able to brush it all off, considering what this game did great.
Wow! I agree so much with you about the story and the end of this game! Having played a remastered game would not have had the same impact on me as playing this remake and allow myself to be suprised or genuinely worried for the characters.
Having Barret almost die (if it hasn't been for the whisper saving him) makes me stay on my toes for next game, 'cause someone else might just pass on and nothing would be there to change it!
I'm so looking forward the next games ^-^
I loooooved this game. As a fan of the original I was kind of expecting it to more or less the same as I remembered but NO. Plenty of surprises including the way it shifts towards the end of this first part. Honestly can't wait to see what weird sh*t they do with the next part.
You're right. I've never played FF7 and I had no idea who what why Sephiroth. I just know that no one would shut up about him so they slapped him on everything like sponsor stickers on a race car. Other than that, there are some really weird pacing issues during the exciting scenes. So many pauses when you need to run up the pillar to save Sector 6. Though at the end of the day. The game is fun. 7/10 is very much what I ended up with also.
Derek Liu Cosmonaut is so right about how much scarier Sephiroth is within the context of the original FF7 specifically because he’s not in it a lot. But when he does appear it is clear you are deeply out of his league. You don’t even see him in the Shinra building originally, just a trail of bodies he leaves behind. When you do face him he manipulates Cloud so deftly, you feel like a joke
I'm sorry for your loss Derek. I implore you to try the original though.
"You have to walk through the chaos in the streets you directly caused."
Uh, no you didn't cause it at all. Shinra did. And used you as a scapegoat.
The characters don't know that, they think they caused this
That’s the issue in the original game you caused it. They now took any guilt off lou by having your explosion be tiny and shines framed you for the chaos they cause. This game sucks and it’s sales fell off a cliff so hard the design team put out a presser assuring people they will just make the next games as faithful to the old ones as possible and will be abandoning the time ghost aspect as much as they can. The RTE is trash as well.
Which is what I hated with the remake. Now that you know you didn't cause the destruction why would you feel guilty for it? The original made you feel like you weren't entirely the good guys, like Barret makes you think you are, and now is painting Shinra as the bad guys entirely. This game is just a mess.
@@countpicula I thought the game was good.
@@thetraveler2224 glad you enjoyed it....
tell me why I actually teared up when you hit with the Cosmo Canyon theme at the end...
Pulling out the Cosmo Canyon theme at the end was uncalled for nostalgia 🔥🔥🔥
COSMOnaut
THEY BETTER GIVE PLAYABLE NANAKI NEXT TIME
You can control the box teammates actions when not using them. Not basic attacks or block per say but you missed the options literally in the bottom left corner. If you decide to go through a second play through helpful tip you can use special abilities and magic based attacks if their gauge is full. Go to the control menu, cycle to the specific character with R2 L2 and select an action
i’ve never seen cosmo make just wrong claims i’m glad someone said something bc i didn’t care enough
I think you misunderstood what he's saying. He's specifically saying WITHOUT actively micromanaging their commands at the same time you're controlling someone else. He likes that you can switch between people and issue commands, but he doesn't like that whenever you're not ACTIVELY issuing them commands, they futz around uselessly. Which is pretty accurate. Whenever I wasn't directly controlling them or issuing commands to a character, I generally could assume they were doing jack shit other than taking damage. The game's solution to this is giving the actively controlled character enemy aggro, which is a little bit of a clunky at best and chaotic at worst solution avoidable by just making the other character's AI slightly better and/or customizable.
In other more action-oriented games under Square, like Kingdom Hearts or FF15, you can set party members to behave in a certain way automatically, like being primarily offensive (aggressive, runs at the enemy), primarily defensive (keeps enemy at a distance, prioritizes ranged damage and staying alive), primarily support/healing (self-explanatory), or the default, a balanced mix. The closest thing this game had to options like that was the auto-cure materia.
The exception to this was Red XIII because he was an immortal NPC who used special attacks on his own and, for me at least, that was really noticeable mainly because it was so different from how the other non-controlled characters behaved. Now I'm not saying I want all my uncontrolled characters to be unkillable. That'd be too much. There's a balance here. I just want them not to act like dumb dumbs and lumber mindlessly into danger. Like if I revived a character before getting the Arise spell, by default I was switching to them to get them the hell away so they don't just immediately get themselves merc'd again, cuz that happened...a lot. Like I get it's a simple strategy to have a second ATB charge lined up to restore HP right after reviving someone, but because it takes time to charge a spell, that can get interrupted, and it'd be nice if in desperate situations you could assume your non-controlled character with 5 HP would simply move more than 2 feet away from the damned robot. Sorry, that got ranty.
@@AzraelChaos my thoughts exactly, along with the enemies being way too tanky the combat clunkiness was the greatest detractor from this game besides the 15 hours of filler. Still really enjoyed it though especially when you could get your characters on a rotation to quickly charge their attacks and pump out a bunch of dps and actually win the fight in a timely fashion. Overall liked the game quite a lot with all the flaws just hope they learn from their mistakes with the next one.
I just wanted to say I didn't really get your complaint about the combat and the party's AI being bad. I didn't use AI at all, I issued commands to the party with R2/L2 as soon as their ATB filled up, it was really an amazing way to bring us something close to a turn based system. You don't get to set party members to prioritize healing or offense in the game settings but that's because they are playable.This game is enjoyed most by issuing commands to the party and not using AI.
Also I love your videos so much, they're so entertaining and you really know your stuff!
This is the first video I've seen where somebody said exactly what I was thinking and feeling about the ending and the big plot twist. Glad to find a kindred spirit in this, and I'm really hoping that the rest of the entries make the best of it. There's SO much potential for what they can do now, but it's also easy to waste that potential if they're not careful. Too many other series have done it in the past, where they have a brilliant start but then lose that momentum as the story progresses.
So your top 3 favourite games are
1. Windwaker
2. Final Fantasy VII
3. Resident Evil 4
Finally, you cracked the code XD
@@napoleon4153 I'm the code breaker
@@aquajus don't bring along Sakurakouji🙏
@G he says in this video that ff7 is in his top 3 Favourite games
He says in the resie 3 video that resie 4 is in his top 3 favourite games
He says in the most anticipated games of 2017 video that windwaker is probably his favourite game
I feel like you're never fully impressed by anything lol
He is, but at the same time he's not wanting to get so swept up with the good he doesn't notice the bad. And it's honestly something I get.
I have some friends who literally will get hype over a game & blow some money on it only to gigabrain how God-tier it is & then look at the flaws later. As if they suddenly exist. I honestly am not so oblivious to things like they can be
And he doesn’t have to be
Geralt of Trivia the furry gay boy? Love him! Lol
You can love something but still criticize it for its flaws
That’s what I love about his videos. It’s never just “it’s good!” It’s “yeah it’s great but there is some stuff that’s lame”
Such a huge fan of hearing the Cosmo Canyon theme at the end, one of my favorite songs to listen to from the original game. I am BEYOND excited to hear it redone with a modern take.
I think you sold me on the ending. I wasn’t sure about it but you made me rethink the possibilities. I was so ready to get defensive with you, but damn you and your powers of persuasion well constructed arguments.
Marcus: We're gonna talk about the story
UA-cam: NO YOU GET ADS FIRST
I love the graveyard tbh. Using a phoenix down when the boss turns invisible to do heavy stagger damage was such a great call back to the older games, and I love it!
Shit. I did not know this
And stealing the staff from Eligor
As someone who played and loved FF7 in modern times, The remake is awesome. I wholeheartedly agree with you about what they did to the story. I disagree about the combat, my play-style was all about micro-managing the other characters (which I think was to make the game feel more like the original), while constantly swapping characters and preparing for big attacks by assessing enemies and hitting weaknesses for staggers. Hard mode was a blast, but having to play all the side quests again (meaning I had to do them twice) in order to get all the skill books sucked.
The fact that I knew everything about this franchise made this game visual ecstasy for me
11:55 You get that experience after blowing up the first reactor in the original, although it's likely more fleshed out now.
>Forgetting X-2 being the last turn based, mainline, FF game that let's you control your entire party
I mean sure it's X-2 but still.
If we're going sequels like that, pretty sure FFIV The After Years came out after X-2, but nobody ever talks about the main line franchise and includes the sequels, they're just referring to the Roman numeraled ones.
@@EclipseMetagen I hate that you're right about the After Years. That game was hot garbage.
If I remember correctly, X-2 was turn based, but it also had that weird kinda “timed turns” system which is why I would think he didn’t count it.
@@DJ-yw4qc lol wat? You mean an ATB system, which nearly every FF before 10... correction; ALL FFs had before 10. In fact, 10 was the only one with a true turn based system.
@@RuneKatashima FF3
I’m so glad you mentioned the WEAPON theory. That’s how I interpreted the final boss, and when viewed that way it makes it pretty cool, lore-wise. I’m still not sure how I feel about the interdimensional stuff, but I wasn’t sure about making midgar a full game either and I loved every second of this one. I even liked the “padding”, though I understand the criticism and I think they could spice up the side content a lot more in future games. They’re still light years beyond the side quests in XV, at least.
Just had to say that I really love your take on the game. Finished it last night and was surprised by some of the vitriol coming from most comment sections. I’m right there with you in my excitement for the future of the series.
But see, the problem is that I need to trust square enix to tell a good story in the next game.
7:23 There is an option for it actually. I noticed a lot of users haven't done so through their own playthroughs.
But have you tried L1+L2/R2 Shortcuts or Just L2/R2 in general. They allow you to control the others party members while you stay on your current one. I was watching another youtuber who seems to be using it. Let me know if you get a chance to test it out. (Or did you mean more like a general tactics telling them to fight a certain way the entire time. I know you talk about it just wasn't sure if you meant two different wants or just the one)
I am surprised you don't upload your streams, I am pretty late to the party but I would of loved to watch your vods of ff7. I just discovered your off a recommended ( the yms talks about death note to your video on it) and have been binging your content. I really love your, I don't know how to say it, laid back style? You get your opinions across in a very easy to listen to and also intelligent way, with confidence in your own opinions.
How fun one sees the fight with Hell House is totally based on how prepared you are for the battle. I didn't have the appropriate materia set up and needed to rely on extremely debuffed mashing to wittle it down over a long period of time.
In retrospect, I should have just pressed pause and reset to before the battle and adjust everything. The fight was much more fun on a replay of the chapter where I was able to be more interactive with different magic to respond to different forms.
(And while I'm sure it's tougher in the hard difficulty, the interplay with moves like counterstance, stronger summons, and higher tier limit breaks help even the playing field.)
Me: Restaurant(Sony/Nomura), please REMAKE me the dish I ordered last time.
Restaurant: Sure, but this time it is only going to be the mashed potatoes portion, but don't worry, we will increase the portion size to a full plate, and change the spices/ingredients.
i had pretty much the same issues and i think the reason they added those really slow filler missions is because they felt bad about putting out a ~20h game after 5 years of hype
It can drag on a bit but most of the filler stuff can be skipped tbf
Your 100% right.it would have been like 15 20 hours...and it couldnt fit in one game lmaoo
Honestly I wouldve been alright if they got rid of the slow parts and it was a 20 hour game but I guarantee you alot of people wouldve been up set about it and called it every type of trash they could because of that. I remember that game from the beginning of this console gen, The Order (whatever number 1786 i think) getting alot of shit because it was only a 20ish hour game and honestly I enjoyed it alot and was sad that it’s probably not gonna get a sequel because of that.
@@imabanana2371 the order had far more issues with it than just it's playtime though...
Thomas Moore you arent wrong but that was the main point everyone amd their mother complained about. Literally so many people only cried about the playtime that I went in expecting to be done in one night.
Thanks for this vid Marcus. When I finished this game I was a bit annoyed bc I didnt like the added plot element of the destiny ghosts, but then after you explained it the way you did, I realized that I just didnt understand it at first. I hope that they keep Aerith's death in the next game, but besides that Im excited to see what they do thats new now.
As a nooby, the zak thing was thebinly thing i was like oh who dat. Everything else was interesting and kept me hooked cos I didn’t know much and learning friendships and progress was class. The ending kinda made me feel like i wasn’t learning stuff everyone already knew even if that may be the case
One day, people will recognize the whole of the Megami Tensei series for its quality turn based, not just persona
Those games are far more gameplay heavy, I suspect people play persona for its waifu highschool sim as much as they do for the gameplay.
@@MrAsthmatic Oh 100%, but press turn is right fun
Favorite MegaTen game?
@@MrAsthmatic Yeah but nocturne has best husbando Dante
@@TheMetalGaia That's a tough one, I really do like Strange Journey, Nocturne, and 4, but I'd probably go with Devil Survivor Overclocked
I rather think that the downsides of the combat system are more like a design choice. To me, the game forces you to switch frequently between the characters to speed up the filling of everyone's ATB bar and diversify your panel of moves to avoid entering a routine. I see the lack of actions from the IA just the same as the easy-breaking swords in Breath of the Wild, which pushes you to use different kinds of weapons and vary your gameplay.
Same for the **** flying enemies. You have to analyze their weaknesses and patterns and build a specific set of armor and materia to engage the fight smoothly.
I think that going into a fight while being well-prepared makes it actually very smooth and super enjoyable, whereas the exact opposite happens when going unprepared. And I'm rather convinced of that because at ANY fight of the game, you can press start and retry just before engaging the enemy to change your build. And I think these mechanics are GOLD.
About the heavy HP on some enemies, most of the time the use of magic is mandatory to get rid of their ridiculously high HP. It gets pretty relevant in hard mode when you can't recover your MP. Because of that stake, you have to carefully manage your magic resources and hit when it counts, and build more sophisticated close-combat builds to prevail.
So yes, i don't see these points as downsides but as a very good gameplay to challenge you and experience the game differently.
I love this game. SE can take my money anytime if I can still enjoy their content that much.
This method may force me to switch between all the characters but the original simply let me use ALL of them without having to switch or rely on stupid AI even partially so I'd still much rather play a more tactical menu based combat.
As for Zelda making me use various weapons as the old ones break - FUCK THAT SHIT - Dark Souls doesn't need to make my weapons break every 2 seconds to make me use all the weapons, Dark Souls only had to make them interesting enough that I'd WANT to try them all, and when I'm not experimenting I can focus on using just one to really learn the ins and out of how it works. I can't learn a weapon that breaks in one combo.
@Ursa Major I think you have very accurately list all the major flaws built into this game's mechanics, excellent work. For me though they bring the game down all the way to a 6/10
Lazy AI not letting you specialize in one character for taste or A VALID STRATEGY is not a good fit
Not FF13 bad (for some) bit we don't need/want AI that can beat the game on it's own either
There's so many quality of life changes the combat system needs. Decrease crowd control. You're either stunned, grabbed, slept, silenced, or it's immune to your attack. No more cut scenes mid battle. If you want multiple cutscenes in a battle than make separate bars, that way I'm not spamming my best shit into a surprise cutscene. No more flyers. Or super fast zippy dudes. Chasing isn't fun. Make limit breaks always hit. Lastly increase max MP.
3:40 I haven't played remake, but I think there is indeed a train graveyard in the original...it's next to the Train station by Tifa's Bar.
Keep pumping out great content dude!
3:46 The train graveyard is in the original though ;D
"Dumb AI"
Gives me Persona 3 Mitsuru PTSD
but damn they should bring back FF12's AI commanding
Nepgeardam moi Marin Karin intensifies
Playing P3 with party control mod, I'm not letting this happen to me
I didn't die that much and managed to make the combat limitations work, but you definitely hit it on the nose with the padding, it not being newcomer friendly (not that it affected me), and the various positive things you said.
the thing i really hated was the little cut scenes in the boss fights, i never wanted to use my limit break because i was worried that i would do a sliver a damage, it goes into a cutscene or a fight mechanic and negate the rest of my limit. it happend to me multiple times.
You know the sewers and the train graveyard were in the original, right?
yeah I was actually confused about a lot of his statements. Like when he said not being able to control characters without actively taking control. I mean I guess maybe he means not being able to give them auto commands like auto heal and stuff but you can most definitely issue commands to characters without switching to them.
They are, but they're 2 screens each, 10-15 minutes of playtime put together. In the Remake they're stretched like crazy.
@@revlarmilion9574 Although I did enjoy them both, I have to agree they were stretched WAY too long. I mean, really, did the train graveyard need TWO boss battles? And I'm not saying that just cuz the second boss (the chariot ghost) was a total kick in dick boss fight. Also didn't care for the boss battle with the Prototype machine in the train tunnel after jumping from the train. It wasn't a difficult fight, but felt unnecessary for a boss battle.
Idk how Marcus does it, but his reviews are always so great because I’m always engaged and find them fun to watch even if I have never touched the thing he’s talking about.
That battle song for the final train graveyard boss sounds like the main theme from Soul Reaver 1.
I knew they were doing something right on the chapter when you're climbing the ruins of Sector 7 to get to the Shinra building. The scene where you beat that three turreted robot and then Cloud and Barrett use their grappling guns to not fall. I knew one of them was going to have something happen to their cable, like, in the back of my mind I was like, "What's the over under that Barrett's cable snaps or something," and then it happened, and then I still audibly gasped.
Like, I knew that he was going to survive. He has to. He has to be there until the end. I even had predicted that the exact thing that happened was going to happen, and it still got me. I was still worried for that character. I can honestly say that Barrett was probably one of my least favorite/least used characters from the original, right up there with Cait Sith. Now, I wanna see him evolve more. I am so looking forward to Corel and watching how they deal with the plot between him and Dyne. I am so hyped for that.
Also, Cait Sith randomly showing up when the Sector 7 plate was falling? All I could think was, "Yeah, to us it's cool 'cause it's like a nod to the future of like, "Hey! There's Cait Sith!" but to anyone playing this for the first time they're just gonna be like, "Yo! Why was there a cat with shoes, a cap, and a crown just pounding his fist against the side of a building?!""
This is a pretty good remake imo, it’s pretty hard to bring back something as legendary as this and I think they did a decent job
i think that the first 17 chapters are fucking amazing and the ending was just weird. it made no sense and it confused the hell out of me
Sebastien Kennedy Inamoto Basically the time ghosts, who were forcing the timeline to stat exactly as it was in the old game, were killed be cloud meaning that the fate of the characters is not going to be exactly how it was in the original game (through I’m sure Aerith will still die). This caused another timeline to be created where Zack survives which is separate to the timeline we play in during the remake because his fate to die was broken. This was all Sephiroth’s big brain plan to free himself from the fate if losing to cloud in the original game and in Advent Children so the stakes are even higher for the crew. Also Cloud destroys fate because he and the rest of the party see into the future that even after the events of the original game and Advent Children a cataclysm happens which wipes out humanity (this is seen in the flash forward were red xiii is running towards the camera with his cubs centuries after the game to a person-less Midgar)
@@izuo3610 So basically, we get an entirely different plot with a similar ending? Regardless, a One-Winged Angel fight still sounds likely, but Supernova is definitely gonna get significant changes
Sam T I don’t believe they will make hugely crazy deviations in tone and narrative just some liberties to make a more modern story
Fuck off hater it's not decent it's the GOAT!
Seeing HD Zack makes me want a Crisis Core remake
Crisis Core wasn't perfect but I still enjoyed the gameplay and story. If they could remake it like this I'd be a happy man.
If they just remake the cutscenes in hd in this style i would be happy
I’m hoping that’s like the first 10 hours of part 2. Just all “flashback” but way more crisis core as well
As a first time consumer of anything Final Fantasy, I was completely lost after the game ended. Thanks to watching a video like this, I actually understand what went down. It's quite the bold and imo intelligent move to self-reference the story of the original game via the whispers and have that disbanded at the end of this game so that players don't know what to expect for the next two games.
I don’t remember what state I was in when I finished the game but it was after Sephiroth was announced for Smash so the way I looked at him in the game was “this is a total badass with incredibly destructive powers.” I didn’t care what his backstory was or his relation to Cloud because I knew all would be explained at some point. I just knew he was a guy that’s been haunting Cloud whether physically or just in his head and that really scared Cloud.
And I think I knew who Sack was because of Me? Gongaga. It was from a video explaining the meme where I learned about his backstory and that he was even a character in FFVII in the first place.
I’m glad I learned about his entire backstory when I first learned about him because I could see myself getting so invested in his character and then finding out about everything that happened to him and getting spoiled. But you can’t get spoiled if you learn about the existence and Spoiler about a character in the same sentence.
So going into Crisis Core, I knew what to expect which allowed me to play the game with the mindset of having this story foresight and still enjoying the game and experiencing the other surprise story beats at the same time.
So I think a newcomer who has the patience to invest in the story can enjoy this game.
This is one of my favorite games and it’s my 3rd time playing it. I’m editing it into a movie and removing all of the filler that I’ve grown to accept as needless padding. So I accept that this game has flaws but I still love it so much that I’m dedicating dozens of hours of my free time editing this movie just for fun.