Important to note that, on the nintendo switch version, Clam Girl turns greyscale like a goner and tells us "the time to meet suzy is fast approaching." The switch version released about a month before chapter 1.
I think the true connection between Undertale and Deltarune is the Soul itself the player played Undertale first which is why we can say great to see you again too Sans among other stuff!!! most people who play Deltarune have played Undertale me include.
I always believe in Undertale we are using Chara's body as a vessel. Just in Pafacist they opt to start a new life when we are done, where ironically Chara feels validated in there role as a typical RPG hero who kills monsters, Genocide. (Just i. The back stories humans the surface are the real monsters at that point) But either way Undertale Vessel thoery basically... Just I thought of it like a month before Deltarune came out.
My theory is Dess is singing a song to Noelle from the void hence quotes like "That's still shining in the cold" and "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" meaning even though she is missing, gone, kidnapped or whatever happened, she is still there for Noelle. And to add on Onion says that they hear music underwater. I think that bunker in hometown most likely leads to the void underground or even a darkworld, under the water perhaps? But in that bunker is most likely the void that Dess is singing in and still having faith in Noelle hence the quote "Don't Forget I'm with you in the dark." I know this isn't about what don't forget means but I just wanted to say that.
Sans also hints at this in other conversations and interactions too. For example when he's trying to convince the player to settle down in the underground and abandon the goal of trying to go home, or during the final battle where you have to use the SAVE power on each character. Sans clearly hasn't forgotten, but he has given up.
You should watch HalfBreadChaos's videos, they even analyzed the song in Japanese. Also, you know how Suzy is related to yellow? Well, the lyrics are yellow.
Don't forget... Beware of the man from another world. The skeletons brothers came out of nowhere in that day but they greeted us at least.. -shop owner
Are these translated lines from a different language in the game or something? Cus the only lines similar to them are, Beware the man who speaks in hands… And, …showed up out of nowhere one day and… asserted themselves… And they’re not even said by the same character- the former is said by the riverman
@@redi.c.e.6046 Actually that 1st line is something else the Riverman does say: _"Beware of the man who came from the other world."_ The "speaks in hands" one is just more commonly mentioned since it's much weirder and could be connected to Gaster. Just for the sake of reference/accuracy, here's what the Shopkeeper says about them: _"And if you're bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing._ _There's two of 'em... Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and..._ _... asserted themselves._ _The town has gotten a lot more interesting since then."_
Im almost certain that in the end DR will end up destroyed. Sans and papyrus will end up in UT and Frisk will be revealed to be the DR vessel who later became their own person by the end of UT
I think the discarded vessel will end up being the Knight, mainly because of being able to use knives (which is connected to humans) and serving as a rival to Kris (for both being knights and being controlled by a superior being). I think Frisk is a vessel created by Gaster for Chara.
I know this one is kinda 'light,' but I wanted everyone to be on the same page for following theories. The next ones are going to blow your mind 👀 Don't forget... 💖
Great video! I hope you all the best, I always enjoy watching "all your videos" ;), I really enjoy the English Deltarune/Undertale lore's community, so seeing you here puts a smile on my face :). Though, what about talking something related to the "Friend inside me" theory? Congrats
I think this song is for Noelle by Dess. Specifically when she felt scared when they where yonger, All the lyrics relate to both of them, Noelle have a tendency to forget as a coping mechanism, She is the one who brings cold to the dark world and she is the one character that hasn't forgotten about Dess. And Dess is quite literally trapped in a dark place, where she cannot hear or be heard
Personally I want to know about mysterious A~a~a~a~ in Another Medium, Welcome to the Cyberworld, Megalovania, new Aradia's theme from dating sim (4:44, so Japanese...)
I still have this crackpot theory that the bunker is going to be the last Dark Fountain, and that its darkworld will be eerily similar to Undertale. A run down bunker with leaky pipes, a meat freezer & a boiler room, would have all the requirements necessary to replicate 80% of Undertale's underground. The Ruins, Snowdin, Waterfall, and Hotland(+Core). Its a wild shot in the dark but shouldn't be discounted.
I've always thought that it's weird to listen the freedom motif so much in chapter 1 compared to chapter 2. One might think that it would be way more present in the whole game counting on its importance and connection to UNDERTALE 🤔
1:02 Have you even played these games ???? They have fire OST, and not just the ones Toby made. And even outside of the music, the story of Scarlet and Violet is really good.
You know whats intresting is that in Raining somewhere else there might be a small part of the don’t forget melody that plays around 1:49 (the part of the song that sings the line don’t forget) … i’m not really sure if this is intentional though (all though it does make sense since the song plays in the secret room) ua-cam.com/video/zNd4apsr3WE/v-deo.htmlsi=UDJ1j3wXYCCc4a7Z
Also to note, is that the song ends kinda unsatisfied maybe its trying to forshadow the “i’m with you in the dark line” or represent how gaster fell into the void idk
Why would I want to pad out the video's run time? It's double the amount I need to fully monetize it and most people are going to skip that part, which isn't good for the retention. Maybe I REALLY just want to have well presented examples of what I'm talking about just in case anyone doesn't know them...
@@LoreKeeperVG Then it would be better if the title/thumbnail reflected that. I'm not trying to be a hater, I'm trying to give genuine constructive critisism. This video was more about which songs the Don't Forget leitmotif appears in than it was anything else. It feels disingenuous to say to just skip it when there is no note in the actual video to tell you where to skip to. A little message with a time stamp would have helped.
If sans came from deltarune, why would he say "Considering I've never met you before" while winking, I don't think it logically adds up. Unless Deltarune comes after Undertale (btw, I just finished all 3 games, so my lore understanding might not be the best)
People seem to overlook the line "And the places that you know seem like fantasy". Most assume the lyric is referring to the fantasy elements of the Dark World. However, the first time you play, you are driven around town and if you played Undertale your initial thoughts are "Wait, Toriel? Who is Kris? Asgore?? Our brother ASRIEL?? Undyne is a cop? Is that freaking SANS????" You can't help but get drawn to these things that are familiar. The fantasy is seeing this world and these characters again, even if it technically is a different world. This is a game for people who have completed Undertale, and depending on your route that can mean one of two things. Either the "promise in our hearts" is with Asriel/Flowey, or Chara. This world is a fantasy in a meta sense. Everything feels off because it seems too ideal. I believe Chara still wants to "destroy this world and move on to the next" and it'll happen regardless of our choices.
Speaking of 4. If you know Aradia, and Homestuck... Sure she's not like Damara. But.. 4 is number of Death in Asian culture. Oh. Sweet Song of Death. I'll comment again after new chapter'll be released from the depths of the primordial sea. Oops, it's not about Honkai universe
I'm telling y'all right now, what Toby Fox said way back when chapter 1 released (or right before? doesn't matter) still stands. Undertale and Deltarune are independent of one another. Sure, there might be some coincidences and similarities (ie: River Person dialogue, Entry 17, etc.), but Toby already told us that these games are meant to be independent stories. Just something to keep in mind when theory crafting, people. PS: If I can find where Toby Fox said the above again, I'll post a link in this comment. If I don't do it within an hour of this post, assume I gave up.
Update: I didn't find a link to where ever Toby said this, but I found a website that had the quoted text. It goes as follows: "Please don't worry too much about that. Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)" I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE. UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them. If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy. So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched. To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one. With different characters, that have lived different lives. A whole new story will happen... I don't know what you call this kind of game. It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to. That's all." Y'all can update this comment if ya want. Could help us all theory craft for how the entire story is actually going to pan out.
You played so much more music than was necessary to make your point 💀 you cut out half the runtime by just playing the leitmotif instead of the entire songs and thats not a good thing
I didn't play the entire songs lol just the parts needed, but I understand they all together feel long. Regardless, you can skip a song whenever you want tbh.
Sorry if my comment will be rude, buttttttt, if for u deltarune is only sans -and gaster-, u probably should leave DT fandom, cuz u probably will not make anything good for fandom if u cant even enjoy game and story without this piece of skeleton. Ur theory i guess making sense, but GOD, we not in 2016, this skeleton needs to be forgotten since 2017, just freaking look around and find material for theory in someone in SOMEONE ELSE, jeez.
Check my Dark Worlds video then lol Yeah, your comment is unnecessary, rude and wrong. I don't know why you hate Sans so much, but I'm sorry, he will be important whether you like It or not.
Well, why can't you read the title? It's the connection between deltarune and undertale, and Sans/gaster seems to be the closest connection we have. It's just rude to make a comment like that in such a way out of context, when the video has arguments.
You should probably leave the fandom if you can't show basic respect and kindness. You went out of your way to click on a theory video about Sans to complain that...the theory is about Sans. You made a conscious effort to spread negativity. If there is anything this fandom doesn't need it's that.
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Important to note that, on the nintendo switch version, Clam Girl turns greyscale like a goner and tells us "the time to meet suzy is fast approaching."
The switch version released about a month before chapter 1.
Yeah, I'll talk about that in the next theory 👀
I think the true connection between Undertale and Deltarune is the Soul itself the player played Undertale first which is why we can say great to see you again too Sans among other stuff!!! most people who play Deltarune have played Undertale me include.
It's another option, true
I always believe in Undertale we are using Chara's body as a vessel.
Just in Pafacist they opt to start a new life when we are done, where ironically Chara feels validated in there role as a typical RPG hero who kills monsters, Genocide. (Just i. The back stories humans the surface are the real monsters at that point)
But either way Undertale Vessel thoery basically... Just I thought of it like a month before Deltarune came out.
My theory is Dess is singing a song to Noelle from the void hence quotes like "That's still shining in the cold" and "Don't forget, I'm with you in the dark" meaning even though she is missing, gone, kidnapped or whatever happened, she is still there for Noelle. And to add on Onion says that they hear music underwater. I think that bunker in hometown most likely leads to the void underground or even a darkworld, under the water perhaps? But in that bunker is most likely the void that Dess is singing in and still having faith in Noelle hence the quote "Don't Forget I'm with you in the dark."
I know this isn't about what don't forget means but I just wanted to say that.
Yeah, I will probably talk about Don't Forget from Noelle's perspective un another video
@@LoreKeeperVG Also in the code you can see text that says "hello?" and stuff along the lines of "it's cold" and "help"
Sans also hints at this in other conversations and interactions too. For example when he's trying to convince the player to settle down in the underground and abandon the goal of trying to go home, or during the final battle where you have to use the SAVE power on each character. Sans clearly hasn't forgotten, but he has given up.
Agree 👀
You should watch HalfBreadChaos's videos, they even analyzed the song in Japanese. Also, you know how Suzy is related to yellow? Well, the lyrics are yellow.
I'll check It out!
How is Suzy yellow?
@@maila319 Because the name is yellow when clamgirl talks about them.
@@Adrian-ze9ud ok
Really? I mean it works but Noelle is RIGHT there..
as a whole, "Don't Forget" sounds like a lullaby, I think we'll find out it was an actual lullaby sung to or by one of the characters in the cast
me when half of the video is leitmotifs 😭
I want everyone to be on the same page, as I say in the video. It will be important for the next one.
Мне лично понравилось переслушать заново.
All I know is that Everyman exists in the True Lab and in Dark Worlds and he's refered to as "strangeman" in Undertale so.
I don't think we know what Everyman is yet
everyman also appears in the light world, it is draw in the wall in that room with flowers in trash cans
@@GabrielDree Yeah I know that
@@GabrielDree in the alleys yea where alpheys is
Don't forget...
Beware of the man from another world.
The skeletons brothers came out of nowhere in that day but they greeted us at least..
-shop owner
Are these translated lines from a different language in the game or something?
Cus the only lines similar to them are,
Beware the man who speaks in hands…
And,
…showed up out of nowhere one day and… asserted themselves…
And they’re not even said by the same character- the former is said by the riverman
@@redi.c.e.6046 yeah, the shop owner in snowdin and the river man talked about sans in a way.
@@redi.c.e.6046 papyrus and sans are from deltarune.
@@redi.c.e.6046 Actually that 1st line is something else the Riverman does say:
_"Beware of the man who came from the other world."_
The "speaks in hands" one is just more commonly mentioned
since it's much weirder and could be connected to Gaster.
Just for the sake of reference/accuracy, here's what the Shopkeeper says about them:
_"And if you're bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing._
_There's two of 'em... Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and..._
_... asserted themselves._
_The town has gotten a lot more interesting since then."_
The skeleton bros ain’t able to travel realities
Im almost certain that in the end DR will end up destroyed. Sans and papyrus will end up in UT and Frisk will be revealed to be the DR vessel who later became their own person by the end of UT
The next one no, but the following one, will be a theory along those lines 👀
I think the discarded vessel will end up being the Knight, mainly because of being able to use knives (which is connected to humans) and serving as a rival to Kris (for both being knights and being controlled by a superior being).
I think Frisk is a vessel created by Gaster for Chara.
Good to see more DT related theories popping up. I’m hyped for your following theories.
If you liked this one, the next one is going to blow you mind 👀
I know this one is kinda 'light,' but I wanted everyone to be on the same page for following theories. The next ones are going to blow your mind 👀
Don't forget... 💖
Sans is likely from Deltarune, and somehow ends up in Undertale due to a certain experiment going wrong.
I'm going to talk about that in my next Deltarune video 👀
Sans is the last guy to bother figuring out reality travel while happy on the surface
@@miniwhiffy3465
He didn't figure it out.
Someone else did, taught him, and made the machine he would eventually use.
@@TheSkyGuy77 and who the fuck was that?
@@miniwhiffy3465
Gaster, duh
Great video! I hope you all the best, I always enjoy watching "all your videos" ;), I really enjoy the English Deltarune/Undertale lore's community, so seeing you here puts a smile on my face :). Though, what about talking something related to the "Friend inside me" theory? Congrats
Espera un momento...
Siento que te conozco de algun lado
Si vdd, y el inglés trucho Xd
I think this song is for Noelle by Dess. Specifically when she felt scared when they where yonger, All the lyrics relate to both of them, Noelle have a tendency to forget as a coping mechanism, She is the one who brings cold to the dark world and she is the one character that hasn't forgotten about Dess. And Dess is quite literally trapped in a dark place, where she cannot hear or be heard
I was scared, I thought the miniature was stolen, but don't worry, your secret is safe with me 🤫
Al principio iba a comentar q robaste la miniatura pero apenas vi el video ya entendi XD, suerte con este canal men
Sans came from DELTARUNE to UNDERTALE
You can always come home sounds a bit like Asriels theme (first phase) 8:20
Personally I want to know about mysterious A~a~a~a~ in Another Medium, Welcome to the Cyberworld, Megalovania, new Aradia's theme from dating sim (4:44, so Japanese...)
What
15:08 "With The Truth" could be refering to Sans talking abt it being time for us to learn it beforewhen giving us the Key!
True!
hey, this was an amazing video, thank you for making this! its cool to hear how you connected everything
Thank you! You are going to love the next one :)
Grande Ga... digo, great video. Tho I think I've seen this theory before 🤔
Must be my imagination
That intro nearly brought tears into my eyes! 😢
Same
Estaba a punto de decir que robar miniaturas esta mal pero no me esperaba esto xD
Why tf is sans' battle sprite layered on top of his overworld sprite
I still have this crackpot theory that the bunker is going to be the last Dark Fountain, and that its darkworld will be eerily similar to Undertale. A run down bunker with leaky pipes, a meat freezer & a boiler room, would have all the requirements necessary to replicate 80% of Undertale's underground. The Ruins, Snowdin, Waterfall, and Hotland(+Core).
Its a wild shot in the dark but shouldn't be discounted.
Me estaba dando un dejavu hasta que oí la voz xd
Don't Forget seems to be a core theme
Totally
Yes!
I've always thought that it's weird to listen the freedom motif so much in chapter 1 compared to chapter 2. One might think that it would be way more present in the whole game counting on its importance and connection to UNDERTALE 🤔
1:02 Have you even played these games ???? They have fire OST, and not just the ones Toby made.
And even outside of the music, the story of Scarlet and Violet is really good.
It was a joke, I have several videos about Scarlet's and Violet's story
@@LoreKeeperVG Oh okay. I'm really constantly bad at understanding when someone's joking ^^'
Don't worry, maybe I didn't transmit It propperly in English :)
@@LoreKeeperVG No no I'm pretty sure it's just me.
You know whats intresting is that in Raining somewhere else there might be a small part of the don’t forget melody that plays around 1:49 (the part of the song that sings the line don’t forget) … i’m not really sure if this is intentional though (all though it does make sense since the song plays in the secret room)
ua-cam.com/video/zNd4apsr3WE/v-deo.htmlsi=UDJ1j3wXYCCc4a7Z
Also to note, is that the song ends kinda unsatisfied maybe its trying to forshadow the “i’m with you in the dark line” or represent how gaster fell into the void idk
Mmmmm... Kinda? But I'm not 100% sure about that
Good video, but he didn't need to spend 8 minutes playing songs that Don't Forget is in....
You know you can skip that part, right?
@@LoreKeeperVG
Yep 👍
Edit: Not trying to hate, just trying to give constructive criticism
@@LoreKeeperVGstill, it slows the pacing of the video down. Not sure why its so long other than to pad out the video's run time
Why would I want to pad out the video's run time? It's double the amount I need to fully monetize it and most people are going to skip that part, which isn't good for the retention.
Maybe I REALLY just want to have well presented examples of what I'm talking about just in case anyone doesn't know them...
@@LoreKeeperVG Then it would be better if the title/thumbnail reflected that. I'm not trying to be a hater, I'm trying to give genuine constructive critisism. This video was more about which songs the Don't Forget leitmotif appears in than it was anything else. It feels disingenuous to say to just skip it when there is no note in the actual video to tell you where to skip to. A little message with a time stamp would have helped.
Cold... Why am I thinking about a falling star... Which actually is not a star .. nevermind
there's also Spamton NEO and Mettaton NEO
they're probably connected in some way
If sans came from deltarune, why would he say "Considering I've never met you before" while winking, I don't think it logically adds up. Unless Deltarune comes after Undertale (btw, I just finished all 3 games, so my lore understanding might not be the best)
I think Sans was joking, why the wink if not?
@@BmuXD wasn't he implying that he's met us before?
Why is sans' head so big in the thumbnail?? He looks so goofy
Lore of The TRUE Connection between Deltarune and Undertale || Deltarune / Undertale Theory - Don't Forget momentum 100
Yeah...?
very good video!
Thanks! :)
Toby fox is a true magician!
He is!
Quien podra ser este distinguido caballero?
do you think undertale formed a part of your personality?
Totally
1:06 Outrageous, SV is my favorite Pokemon game.
It's just a joke
@@LoreKeeperVG oh okay
People seem to overlook the line
"And the places that you know seem like fantasy".
Most assume the lyric is referring to the fantasy elements of the Dark World.
However, the first time you play, you are driven around town and if you played Undertale your initial thoughts are "Wait, Toriel? Who is Kris? Asgore?? Our brother ASRIEL?? Undyne is a cop? Is that freaking SANS????"
You can't help but get drawn to these things that are familiar. The fantasy is seeing this world and these characters again, even if it technically is a different world.
This is a game for people who have completed Undertale, and depending on your route that can mean one of two things. Either the "promise in our hearts" is with Asriel/Flowey, or Chara.
This world is a fantasy in a meta sense. Everything feels off because it seems too ideal. I believe Chara still wants to "destroy this world and move on to the next" and it'll happen regardless of our choices.
6:47 Friensip 🥺
eres español?
why this pop up at 2am
A good time tbh
Speaking of 4. If you know Aradia, and Homestuck... Sure she's not like Damara. But.. 4 is number of Death in Asian culture. Oh. Sweet Song of Death. I'll comment again after new chapter'll be released from the depths of the primordial sea. Oops, it's not about Honkai universe
I'm telling y'all right now, what Toby Fox said way back when chapter 1 released (or right before? doesn't matter) still stands. Undertale and Deltarune are independent of one another. Sure, there might be some coincidences and similarities (ie: River Person dialogue, Entry 17, etc.), but Toby already told us that these games are meant to be independent stories. Just something to keep in mind when theory crafting, people.
PS: If I can find where Toby Fox said the above again, I'll post a link in this comment. If I don't do it within an hour of this post, assume I gave up.
Update: I didn't find a link to where ever Toby said this, but I found a website that had the quoted text. It goes as follows:
"Please don't worry too much about that.
Actually, I'm worried if people worry too much about "what it is," they might not be able to properly enjoy it... (laugh)"
I will say that basically, what you're seeing here is not the world of UNDERTALE.
UNDERTALE's world and ending are the same as however you left them.
If everyone was happy in your ending, the people in the UNDERTALE world will still be happy.
So, please don't worry about those characters, and that world. It will remain untouched.
To rephrase that, DELTARUNE's world is a different one.
With different characters, that have lived different lives.
A whole new story will happen...
I don't know what you call this kind of game.
It's just a game you can play after you complete UNDERTALE, if you want to.
That's all."
Y'all can update this comment if ya want. Could help us all theory craft for how the entire story is actually going to pan out.
I know, I'm going to talk about that and more things Toby Fox said in my next Deltarune video
por que tu voz se me hace conocida...?
🤫
@@LoreKeeperVG eso me dice todo lo que tengo que saber XDDD
Se parece TANTO a Leyendas y Videojuegos
Spanish accent detected
Viva España
Dess Holiday.
In chapter 2 the music just shuts off when her name is spelled in a puzzle game while Noel and Kris speak
That thumbnail changes do be boosting the algorithm eh
Not really, I'm just testing the new tool
This is very much unrelated to he video but are you Greek? You sound extremely Greek.
I'm Spanish
Are you galician?
I forgor 💀
You played so much more music than was necessary to make your point 💀 you cut out half the runtime by just playing the leitmotif instead of the entire songs and thats not a good thing
I didn't play the entire songs lol just the parts needed, but I understand they all together feel long. Regardless, you can skip a song whenever you want tbh.
dude what da hell is this accent???????
"da" Spanish. I'll try to improve over time, sorry.
@@LoreKeeperVGdon't be sorry for this dude ):
Sorry if my comment will be rude, buttttttt, if for u deltarune is only sans -and gaster-, u probably should leave DT fandom, cuz u probably will not make anything good for fandom if u cant even enjoy game and story without this piece of skeleton.
Ur theory i guess making sense, but GOD, we not in 2016, this skeleton needs to be forgotten since 2017, just freaking look around and find material for theory in someone in SOMEONE ELSE, jeez.
Check my Dark Worlds video then lol Yeah, your comment is unnecessary, rude and wrong. I don't know why you hate Sans so much, but I'm sorry, he will be important whether you like It or not.
Well, why can't you read the title? It's the connection between deltarune and undertale, and Sans/gaster seems to be the closest connection we have. It's just rude to make a comment like that in such a way out of context, when the video has arguments.
Me when the video with sans front and center on the thumbnail talks about SANS (this is totally unexpected no one could see this coming)
Dawg yo comment unreadable 😭
You should probably leave the fandom if you can't show basic respect and kindness. You went out of your way to click on a theory video about Sans to complain that...the theory is about Sans. You made a conscious effort to spread negativity.
If there is anything this fandom doesn't need it's that.