Hey MotoMan, been watching you for years, and paid attention to those financial lessons you used to talk about all the time. I got out from being upside down on a soulless crossover, put aside the cash and paid in full for a 2015 VW GTI. Got a great deal on a loaded vehicle at less than half the price of a new one and couldn't be happier. Next stop, saving up to get a used 911 Targa in 10-15 years! I think these 992's are instant classics. Thank you for your years of amazing reviews and financial advice, you have literally changed my life!
I think this would look really great in a deep forest green, with the metallic targa bar and a baseball mit brown leather interior. Or maybe a really nice ocean blue exterior...
you are absolutely right about sport design package and a strange fact is I ordered my 992 cabrio with aventurine green metallic and porsche said you can not get the sport design package with this color but its available on all other color so that was a very hard decision for me to choose between aventurine green metalllic and sport design front
I can’t unsee the 69’ targa from commando in that yellow/ black combo. I wonder if it fixes itself after crashes like the movie car could miraculously do 😂
Useful review MotoMan (along with the two 992 C4S cab reviews). I know you are a man for roof colors so how do you think a Targa would look in Aventurine green with a Bordeaux red roof?
They’re never going to allow the adaptive headlights in the USA. Approving the system in 2019 was just a formality, they’ll never allow them to be turned on.
The sport design front greatly compromises lip clearance and would make the expensive front axle lift a necessity. Also it removes the auto adjusting opening of the front air intake depending on air temperature and speed etc. All in all the sport design front takes away a great deal of functionality, reduces lip clearance and forces one to option the almost $3000 front axle lift to the almost $3500 that the sport design front costs. Perhaps the worst option one can impose upon the very sublime and functional 992 design.
Agree with the sports front package as being a must. However this exposes the two radiators to road rock/bug/debris damage. I know they can be cleaned off but the grill face louvers get abused. After only 400 miles on my 992 significant wear is seen. I’m waiting for a front grill screen kit before I bring mine back on the road for play. Otherwise who can complain about a targa?
Man what a beauty. We all know what this particular Porsche means to you but when are you going to pull the trigger on this car MM? Are you getting close? You should definitely do an episode on going through the entire process of ordering this car, specking it and then taking delivery of your dream car and new daily driver. It would definitely be a must watch episode, maybe even a season finale worthy one.
Funny you mention this . . . you guys will be getting an episode of a car I did spec and it proves beyond the shadow of doubt all the things I have been telling you about contrasting colors and building a car like this to your own spec . . . Coming soon.
Targa is really pretty, its really artistic looking as always. but the cleaner 911 Carrera body is the one for me. all forms of the 992 is great so far.
Greetings from Canada! 🇨🇦 The 992 Targa (with a manual) is now my dream car! 🥰 I too would pass on the Racing Yellow and black Targa bar. I love the Cherry 🍒 Metallic paint on the Heritage Edition, but Guards Red ❤️ would be just fine too. Thanks for a great review! 👏🏻👏🏻
I always thought the Targa was just a removable top like a corvette. It seems like a lot of work with the back popping up and the top folding back for just a half a convertible. I’d go with a 4s coupe with a moon roof and just the sports options and get me out of the dealership at about 130k and be just fine with that
Well we know what is the next step. Wait for the Targa GTS with manual transmission. I'm always a sucker for a yellow car with black accents but I must agree that in the case of the Targa other colors might be better. I must drop by our local Porsche dealer to take a look at one, if they don't kick me out before hand.
The sensible options on the base Taycan 4 Cross Turismo - ie to make it the point of the car - doubles its price. I was going to buy one but this is the reason I didn't - even with a strong p/x on a 3yr old Boxster into the mix. I understand all the options and the pricing but it does make it all a bit unreachable - even for me, a 53yr old, with a sensible income. So I bought a Targa instead and went easy on the options list as it doesn't matter quite so much here.
Great review, very balanced. I was hoping to hear something about the buffeting compared to the convertible. I’ve never driven a Targa, but have owned the convertible, and wind management was excellent. I have read reviews in the past where they report the Targa has some quite noticable turbulence because of the targa bar. Did you find that this was very noticable? Cheers!
I have a 991.2 Cab and a 991.2 Targa (yes, I'm nuts and spoiled). More buffeting in the Cab if the rear windscreen is down but if you put it up the Targa has more buffeting.
It's about the same as in the 991.2 Targa . . . more pronounced when you drive with the windows up and roof down. Best option is roof and windows down and thus similar to a 992 Cab with the wind blocker up.
but how is the exhaust sound?? there should be an exhaust sound demo with ANY sportscar. especially in times like these where cars like the boxter sound like crap with their 4 poppers
Alright motoman… it’s time that someone let you know…. You may be one of the 7 people on the planet who prefers wood trim in a 911. Still love your videos though.
So why would you pay extra for the S model extra hp on the idea that you “need” a higher performance car for going to lunch or to Costco - and then you put in a manual transmission which is slower than the equal cost PDK transmission? They didn’t put the manual in the Targa 4 to make sure you have to spend the extra $18,000 for those buyers who think they are back in the 1970’s. In fact - the Targa 4 is the bait and switch model- in 2019 the last time they sold the targa- they only imported 14 Targa 4’s and they were harder to get an allocation than the 4s. They imported around 500 s and GTS models in that year. My preference was too call their bluff and order the Targa 4 and and spend the extra $18,000 on options. This allows one to add $30,000 of options and keep the car under $150,000 rather than rising to $170,000 plus. And a 0-60 speed of just under 4 seconds is faster than anyone needs when getting on the freeway and more than enough to scare your passenger to a fun level. And the Targa 4 will roll down the freeway at 75 miles per hour just as well as the S model. And with the 19”/20” wheels the car will ride better on those long weekend rides in your Targa with the top down. And finally if you really were after every useless additional seconds of acceleration - why in the world would you even buy the Targa- buy the S coupe for less money. The Targa is for going to a great restaurant with your wife or a hot girlfriend - on a warm summer evening. Or leaving for a Santa Barbara weekend in the cool of the morning - stop on a winding country road - drop the top and smell the trees and fresh air. That extra 2-3 seconds of 0-60 acceleration you could use will never get used with your wife in the car more than once - bad enough she had her hair blowing around - she won’t suffer being scared to death ☠️ from your adolescent acceleration games. The sweet spot for rational guys - who are never racing around tracks - is the Targa 4. How many Targa owners ever take their car on a track - ever? Maybe 10%? And if they did are even keeping track of their lap times? Nope. Just having some fun going around corners and such and the base Targa will be more than enough fun. I spent the extra money on $1900 wood interior trim and $1,000 on leather wrapped steering column and sunshades and &1600 on clear plastic taillights and both the performance package to get the chrono and all the cool stuff like cooled seats and changeable interior led lighting and all the fun safety options like adaptive cruise control and lane change protect and so on. And sport exhaust for better engine noise and 14 way seats and metallic white exterior and Bordeaux red dipped interior and so on. I also bought the least powerful Panamera back in 2016 and that car is way too fast for any rational driving to the office or to lunch - never felt I ever needed more power getting on the freeway. This is my take - and I am sticking to the belief that the right car for a regular guy who wants to have all the fun of a Targa that is fully optioned and who wants to be money wise and spend less than $150,000 on the car. As if anyone right in their mind pays $150,000 for a car to go to lunch in with your wife. Now if she isn’t your wife she will be too young to know the car 🚗 has only 379 hp - the wood trim will serve your needs much better”real wood” impresses young ladies more than slightly larger brake rotors .
Terrific video... Still hoping to get a 991 4S Targa one day. I know you did a video a few years back, so going to re-watch those now. Thoughts comparing the 991 & 992's appreciated? Any recommendations on must have's for the 991 appreciated as well.
From a 3.0 T to 3.0 T perspective, the 992 is better matched to the personality of the engine. I cover this in early 992 episodes from Spain. That holds up with the Targa. That said, if it were me buying a used 991 - I would do an NA manual, 991.1 Targa. Of course, with colored seat belts:)
@@MotoManTV - I sincerely appreciate your feedback... I was hoping you were going to say 2015 and if I'm not mistaken that's the 991.1. I'll be sure to re-watch your early 992 episodes from Spain. I watch all your content, but drop everything when you cover Porsche's. Great to see you doing so well. And yes... Manual transmission with colored seatbelts are a must. :)
I would really like a Targa, but I’m most worried about the wind noise in the cabin. Particularly, the booming or thumping you hear sometimes in a car with one window open. Any Targa owners experience this with theirs? It’s a bit challenging to find one to test drive.
991.2 Targa 4 GTS. No booming or thumping in 3 years; bought new. 3 main reasons why I bought it: 1. Trick, automated roof. 2. Looks. 3. Can still have conversation at freeway speeds whereas in a convertible? Good luck, even while yelling. Also, it feels too "open" a la JFK, & I feel more secure with this setup.
The standard front includes active aero flaps that make the car more aerodynamic, and I personally think they look better. I do like the AeroKit side sills, though.
YES, SIR.... WE NEED THE ALL WEATHER 4 WHEEL DRIVE... FOR SNOW, SLEET, RAIN AND ICE...AND ALSO SOME OFFROAD CAPABILITY. YA KNOW... THE 4S IS THE ONLY ONE I WILL CONSIDER...AND MUST BE ON ANY OF THE MODELS I CHOOSE TO DRIVE. THERE IS NO REASON TO EVER GET STUCK IN THE MUD AND HAVE THE WHEELS SPINNING....AND IT PREVENTS SPINNING OUT IN MANY SITUATIONS WITH SO MUCH POWER ON BOARD. *SO...DON'T POOH POOH IT AT ALL* ..AND THAT'S A PRETTY ONE... I HAVE HAD A FABULOUS TARGA CARRERA MYSELF..WIDEBODY. WHALE TAIL. IT WAS ONE OF ONLY TWO MADE FOR THE USA IN THE YEARS 1986. RIGHT. THERE WERE ONLY 2 WIDEBODY TARGA CARRERA WHALE TAILS...IN AMERICA ...AND THE VERY FIRST TO LAND HERE...FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS TO COPY. IT WAS USED AS A RACE CAR FOR 2 RACE PRIOR RACECAR DRIVERS. I RECEIVED ALL THE PROPER INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM PORSCHE HOMW OFFICE IN EUROPE. I TOOK *FIRST IN SHOW* AND *FIRST IN SURVIVOR CATAGORY* . I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWWARD TO THIS 992 4S VERSION... EITHER TARGA OR TURBO S...IN THE 4S. I DON'T KNOW...THEY'RE ALL SO PRETTY. YOURS THERE HAS A HEIGHT PROBLEM FOR ANYONE CRAMMED IN THE BACK SEAT..NO HEADROOM IN THE TARGA. AS OPPOSED TO THE COUPES AND CABRIOLET. ****& THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT... I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MINUT DETAILS AND YOUR TAKE ON IT.*
I dont get why people love the targa so much. I looks good, but the wind noise is so horrible. Then you can't use it while driving. It's heavier. I feel like the only thing is looks and maybe nostalgia.
Sadly, Targa was allways 50% about sound and this is now very subtle and not emotional sounding car anymore :-(. I would stick with the NA 911s forever.
I just drove a 992 (base model) and I was really disappointed. It had no soul! The interior has many cheap elements. The obscured gauges are a terrible design, completely unacceptable. Getting back into my AMG GTC, I couldn’t believe how much more engaging, connected, lively, and entertaining the GTC felt.
AMG is a brute german muscle experience, while still being refined - porsche is known for their refined effortless driving experience... they really wake up when pushed to the limits because they are designed to be pushed to the limit very easily. Cant blame you for picking the AMG GTC, that is an amazing car as well.
Oh Dave, I agree my friend. Wow! A 992 Targa! Who gives a "rats ass" is right. When your rolling across the German brick sections of roadway traversing through the small villages or the British cobblestones or the crappy broken pavements of the States, a perfect blend of power to each wheel with a 7 speed manual! Holy Crap!
Compared to the Carrera S this is truly a boulevard cruiser being 400 lb heavier and with a less rigid body and higher center of gravity. This fat girl is made for open top cruising in South Beach and not attacking some wonderful back roads. The Targa is an antithesis 911.
Nice Review but not mentioned that nerve-wrecking „buffering“ Wind-Noise from the Targa Roof unfortunately has NOT been eliminated since 991; even with the now manually adjustable new higher Wind-Deflector on the Windscreen-Frame! Well thats really a Pity because those Noises are maximally uncomfortable at Speeds approximately 70-90km/h which is a very common Speed-Window in driving and enjoying a Targa. Secondly in my Opionion the rear „Bumper“ also looks terrible; and its hilarious that Porsche shows their Press Cars with the Front of he (bloody expensive) „Exclusive-Manufacture“ Department due to the terrible looking stock Frontend! I loved my 991 Targa4S Gen2 and You could get one of these as 2.Hand Car with very low Mileage for 40%off New Price including the lovely analog Instrument-Cluster (and the beloved traditional Cup-holders!!) , so for me the 991 is a great Value for Money right now; besides the Cabriolet is by far the better Option if You are a „Open-roof Addict! But anyway the Targa is the most beautiful Porsche in the 992 Lineup and Design has always sold Cars ; ) Cheers from Munich
It out performs cars with 500HP, so what difference does it make? Bragging rights? Get a POS mustang and brag to your friends about how much HP it has.
How delightful: a vehicle that has a gasoline pump-engine that is 18% efficient, more than double that of a steam engine! Wait, what? We can buy Teslas? Electro motors are 88% efficient? Oh, right, this isn't 1920.
In theory, yes. However, in reality, one cannot go into a Porsche store and just buy a Speedster. You have to have been buying Porsches for years. MANY of them.
Still a fast, beautiful and competent car full of pedigree but unfortunately the 911 has become simply too much of everything: too big, too heavy, too tech-driven, too unexciting, too expensive,... If you want to get the real Porsche experience - and you should because Weissach/Zuffenhausen builds cars like few other brands - don't spend this kind of money on this compromise of an open-top GT car but instead get a nicely spec'ed, PPA Macan Turbo as your daily driver and a great-sounding, reasonably lightweight PPA 981 Boxster GTS for the weekends. The two together will probably cost less than a new 992 Targa 4S before(!) options and whichever one you drive, will be much less of a compromise. The people that are buying these 992 Targa's will probably do the same by having several cars in their driveway to choose from but their "compromising less" will be done on a much bigger budget than that of most people watching this kind of UA-cam videos. Just my two cents...
Try finding a 981 Boxster GTS or S trim in a manual? I can't find any GTS and less than a handful S in the whole country. The 992 vs the 991 price delta in the used market will be interesting.
@@johnlee5307 They are (becoming) a bit of a unicorn, that's true. Have the impression that people are holding on to their 981's in general, especially the manual ones. Seems logical with the 718 4-cyl that came next and given the base price of the new 6-cyl 718 GTS. Might be the case as well for the 991.1 vs. the 991.2 and 992 generations of the 911. How about this CPO, manual, Carmine red GTS in Fresno ? finder.porsche.com/us/en_US/Boxster-GTS-198702 Custom-ordered mine in NYC when there wasn't even a manual one to be found in the whole state to test drive but it probably was the best car purchase of my life. For one third of the price of this press-car spec'ed 992 Targa 4S, you will get much, much more than one third of its driving pleasures and sensations in your 981 Boxster GTS... Good luck !
Hey MotoMan, been watching you for years, and paid attention to those financial lessons you used to talk about all the time. I got out from being upside down on a soulless crossover, put aside the cash and paid in full for a 2015 VW GTI. Got a great deal on a loaded vehicle at less than half the price of a new one and couldn't be happier. Next stop, saving up to get a used 911 Targa in 10-15 years! I think these 992's are instant classics. Thank you for your years of amazing reviews and financial advice, you have literally changed my life!
Cannot thank you enough for this comment - truly means a lot. More financial lessons coming . . .
The new targas as of the 991.1 are the most beautiful 911 versions ever made. Beautiful car
I think this would look really great in a deep forest green, with the metallic targa bar and a baseball mit brown leather interior. Or maybe a really nice ocean blue exterior...
Cannot disagree with you at all on that first combo . . .
Mamba green 🤫
British racing green
you are absolutely right about sport design package and a strange fact is I ordered my 992 cabrio with aventurine green metallic and porsche said you can not get the sport design package with this color but its available on all other color so that was a very hard decision for me to choose between aventurine green metalllic and sport design front
The best model in the 992 range imo.
I love targas. My dad had a 1968 912 targa.... awesome rare car.
I love the targa, it’s just so special.
I can’t unsee the 69’ targa from commando in that yellow/ black combo. I wonder if it fixes itself after crashes like the movie car could miraculously do 😂
Useful review MotoMan (along with the two 992 C4S cab reviews). I know you are a man for roof colors so how do you think a Targa would look in Aventurine green with a Bordeaux red roof?
sigh, i've been dreaming of a RWD targa too, particularly in GTS form. EDIT: holy moly roli poli 180 smackaroos what in tarnation
They’re never going to allow the adaptive headlights in the USA. Approving the system in 2019 was just a formality, they’ll never allow them to be turned on.
The sport design front greatly compromises lip clearance and would make the expensive front axle lift a necessity. Also it removes the auto adjusting opening of the front air intake depending on air temperature and speed etc. All in all the sport design front takes away a great deal of functionality, reduces lip clearance and forces one to option the almost $3000 front axle lift to the almost $3500 that the sport design front costs. Perhaps the worst option one can impose upon the very sublime and functional 992 design.
Love the options run through. Great review, thank you.
Thanks! Have a lot of fun with that segment.
The US EPA listened to your point about the LED headlights it seems!
My Targa 4S is on a ship heading for unloading in Baltimore! Carerra White with 2 tone bordeau/black interior.
Well done!
Agree with the sports front package as being a must. However this exposes the two radiators to road rock/bug/debris damage. I know they can be cleaned off but the grill face louvers get abused. After only 400 miles on my 992 significant wear is seen. I’m waiting for a front grill screen kit before I bring mine back on the road for play. Otherwise who can complain about a targa?
not a must for me. 991 looking.
Perfekt allein ist gut genug: Handschaltung & frei saugender Motor.
Man what a beauty. We all know what this particular Porsche means to you but when are you going to pull the trigger on this car MM? Are you getting close? You should definitely do an episode on going through the entire process of ordering this car, specking it and then taking delivery of your dream car and new daily driver. It would definitely be a must watch episode, maybe even a season finale worthy one.
Funny you mention this . . . you guys will be getting an episode of a car I did spec and it proves beyond the shadow of doubt all the things I have been telling you about contrasting colors and building a car like this to your own spec . . . Coming soon.
@Rubedo Alaberti :)
I seriously doubt the glass roof, held on by a couple of metal arms, adds any structural rigidity to the Targa. Great review of my favorite Porsche.
Targa is really pretty, its really artistic looking as always. but the cleaner 911 Carrera body is the one for me. all forms of the 992 is great so far.
A man after my own heart. The 992 Targa.
Greetings from Canada! 🇨🇦 The 992 Targa (with a manual) is now my dream car! 🥰 I too would pass on the Racing Yellow and black Targa bar. I love the Cherry 🍒 Metallic paint on the Heritage Edition, but Guards Red ❤️ would be just fine too. Thanks for a great review! 👏🏻👏🏻
I always thought the Targa was just a removable top like a corvette. It seems like a lot of work with the back popping up and the top folding back for just a half a convertible. I’d go with a 4s coupe with a moon roof and just the sports options and get me out of the dealership at about 130k and be just fine with that
I'll take mine in Night Blue Metallic, Navy top, tan interior and of course the 7-speed, please...
DITTO FOR ME... WITH RED LEATHER INTERIOR. NAVY CLOTH CABRIOLET TOP AND A BEAUTIFUL DARK BLUE....VERY SEXY....
Well we know what is the next step. Wait for the Targa GTS with manual transmission. I'm always a sucker for a yellow car with black accents but I must agree that in the case of the Targa other colors might be better. I must drop by our local Porsche dealer to take a look at one, if they don't kick me out before hand.
Love the Targa's.....My 991.1 is gorgeous! This 992 is gorgeousER! LOL
Love these videos
Excellent review. Would love to know your perspective on wind buffeting on the Targa. Older versions it was an issue. What say you?
The sensible options on the base Taycan 4 Cross Turismo - ie to make it the point of the car - doubles its price.
I was going to buy one but this is the reason I didn't - even with a strong p/x on a 3yr old Boxster into the mix. I understand all the options and the pricing but it does make it all a bit unreachable - even for me, a 53yr old, with a sensible income. So I bought a Targa instead and went easy on the options list as it doesn't matter quite so much here.
Great review, very balanced. I was hoping to hear something about the buffeting compared to the convertible. I’ve never driven a Targa, but have owned the convertible, and wind management was excellent. I have read reviews in the past where they report the Targa has some quite noticable turbulence because of the targa bar. Did you find that this was very noticable? Cheers!
I have a 991.2 Cab and a 991.2 Targa (yes, I'm nuts and spoiled). More buffeting in the Cab if the rear windscreen is down but if you put it up the Targa has more buffeting.
It's about the same as in the 991.2 Targa . . . more pronounced when you drive with the windows up and roof down. Best option is roof and windows down and thus similar to a 992 Cab with the wind blocker up.
Those headlights make it look like a spaceship, yet they are silhouette like and fit perfect. What kind of plane is in the background?
but how is the exhaust sound?? there should be an exhaust sound demo with ANY sportscar. especially in times like these where cars like the boxter sound like crap with their 4 poppers
Alright motoman… it’s time that someone let you know…. You may be one of the 7 people on the planet who prefers wood trim in a 911. Still love your videos though.
So why would you pay extra for the S model extra hp on the idea that you “need” a higher performance car for going to lunch or to Costco - and then you put in a manual transmission which is slower than the equal cost PDK transmission? They didn’t put the manual in the Targa 4 to make sure you have to spend the extra $18,000 for those buyers who think they are back in the 1970’s. In fact - the Targa 4 is the bait and switch model- in 2019 the last time they sold the targa- they only imported 14 Targa 4’s and they were harder to get an allocation than the 4s. They imported around 500 s and GTS models in that year. My preference was too call their bluff and order the Targa 4 and and spend the extra $18,000 on options. This allows one to add $30,000 of options and keep the car under $150,000 rather than rising to $170,000 plus.
And a 0-60 speed of just under 4 seconds is faster than anyone needs when getting on the freeway and more than enough to scare your passenger to a fun level. And the Targa 4 will roll down the freeway at 75 miles per hour just as well as the S model.
And with the 19”/20” wheels the car will ride better on those long weekend rides in your Targa with the top down.
And finally if you really were after every useless additional seconds of acceleration - why in the world would you even buy the Targa- buy the S coupe for less money.
The Targa is for going to a great restaurant with your wife or a hot girlfriend - on a warm summer evening. Or leaving for a Santa Barbara weekend in the cool of the morning - stop on a winding country road - drop the top and smell the trees and fresh air. That extra 2-3 seconds of 0-60 acceleration you could use will never get used with your wife in the car more than once - bad enough she had her hair blowing around - she won’t suffer being scared to death ☠️ from your adolescent acceleration games.
The sweet spot for rational guys - who are never racing around tracks - is the Targa 4. How many Targa owners ever take their car on a track - ever? Maybe 10%? And if they did are even keeping track of their lap times? Nope. Just having some fun going around corners and such and the base Targa will be more than enough fun.
I spent the extra money on $1900 wood interior trim and $1,000 on leather wrapped steering column and sunshades and &1600 on clear plastic taillights and both the performance package to get the chrono and all the cool stuff like cooled seats and changeable interior led lighting and all the fun safety options like adaptive cruise control and lane change protect and so on. And sport exhaust for better engine noise and 14 way seats and metallic white exterior and Bordeaux red dipped interior and so on.
I also bought the least powerful Panamera back in 2016 and that car is way too fast for any rational driving to the office or to lunch - never felt I ever needed more power getting on the freeway.
This is my take - and I am sticking to the belief that the right car for a regular guy who wants to have all the fun of a Targa that is fully optioned and who wants to be money wise and spend less than $150,000 on the car. As if anyone right in their mind pays $150,000 for a car to go to lunch in with your wife. Now if she isn’t your wife she will be too young to know the car 🚗 has only 379 hp - the wood trim will serve your needs much better”real wood” impresses young ladies more than slightly larger brake rotors .
A black interior should be illegal in a modern Targa, there, I said it lol.
As always, excellent work M.
You, sir, are correct:)
@@MotoManTV ;)
If it was your money, would you buy the Targa or the 718 Spyder?
Terrific video... Still hoping to get a 991 4S Targa one day. I know you did a video a few years back, so going to re-watch those now. Thoughts comparing the 991 & 992's appreciated? Any recommendations on must have's for the 991 appreciated as well.
From a 3.0 T to 3.0 T perspective, the 992 is better matched to the personality of the engine. I cover this in early 992 episodes from Spain. That holds up with the Targa. That said, if it were me buying a used 991 - I would do an NA manual, 991.1 Targa. Of course, with colored seat belts:)
@@MotoManTV - I sincerely appreciate your feedback... I was hoping you were going to say 2015 and if I'm not mistaken that's the 991.1. I'll be sure to re-watch your early 992 episodes from Spain. I watch all your content, but drop everything when you cover Porsche's. Great to see you doing so well. And yes... Manual transmission with colored seatbelts are a must. :)
Maybe a Turbo Targa and a Turbo Convertible will come one day. Would be nice.
Well, we already have driven the Turbo S Cabriolet . . . ua-cam.com/video/SjepBnRpwa0/v-deo.html
I wish they had a manual targa roof option. Corvette style.
Did you watch the episode?
@@MotoManTV Not all of it.
@Rubedo Alaberti Manual roof, not transmission.
I would really like a Targa, but I’m most worried about the wind noise in the cabin. Particularly, the booming or thumping you hear sometimes in a car with one window open. Any Targa owners experience this with theirs? It’s a bit challenging to find one to test drive.
991.2 Targa 4 GTS. No booming or thumping in 3 years; bought new. 3 main reasons why I bought it: 1. Trick, automated roof. 2. Looks. 3. Can still have conversation at freeway speeds whereas in a convertible? Good luck, even while yelling. Also, it feels too "open" a la JFK, & I feel more secure with this setup.
What about the buffering?! Hearing from everyone who owns one that they can’t stand it… seems like a major miss from Porsche
Absurd but stunning ly cool 911 variant
What a color name or code this porsche targa
The “Exclusive” front bumper is just a cash grab of $3200. They should have designed it with this bumper in the first place! What a joke.
I actually like the normal front bumper more because of the simple look. Maybe I am alone with that opinion :-D
The standard front includes active aero flaps that make the car more aerodynamic, and I personally think they look better. I do like the AeroKit side sills, though.
@@mohawk5010
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Dumme europäische Öko-Regulierung
Marc Nobel no, I like the original 992 front too
@@andychang7137 THX Andy! Now I am not more feeling alone :-D
YES, SIR.... WE NEED THE ALL WEATHER 4 WHEEL DRIVE... FOR SNOW, SLEET, RAIN AND ICE...AND ALSO SOME OFFROAD CAPABILITY. YA KNOW... THE 4S IS THE ONLY ONE I WILL CONSIDER...AND MUST BE ON ANY OF THE MODELS I CHOOSE TO DRIVE. THERE IS NO REASON TO EVER GET STUCK IN THE MUD AND HAVE THE WHEELS SPINNING....AND IT PREVENTS SPINNING OUT IN MANY SITUATIONS WITH SO MUCH POWER ON BOARD. *SO...DON'T POOH POOH IT AT ALL* ..AND THAT'S A PRETTY ONE... I HAVE HAD A FABULOUS TARGA CARRERA MYSELF..WIDEBODY. WHALE TAIL. IT WAS ONE OF ONLY TWO MADE FOR THE USA IN THE YEARS 1986. RIGHT. THERE WERE ONLY 2 WIDEBODY TARGA CARRERA WHALE TAILS...IN AMERICA ...AND THE VERY FIRST TO LAND HERE...FOR THE FOLLOWING YEARS TO COPY. IT WAS USED AS A RACE CAR FOR 2 RACE PRIOR RACECAR DRIVERS. I RECEIVED ALL THE PROPER INFORMATION DIRECTLY FROM PORSCHE HOMW OFFICE IN EUROPE. I TOOK *FIRST IN SHOW* AND *FIRST IN SURVIVOR CATAGORY* . I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWWARD TO THIS 992 4S VERSION... EITHER TARGA OR TURBO S...IN THE 4S. I DON'T KNOW...THEY'RE ALL SO PRETTY. YOURS THERE HAS A HEIGHT PROBLEM FOR ANYONE CRAMMED IN THE BACK SEAT..NO HEADROOM IN THE TARGA. AS OPPOSED TO THE COUPES AND CABRIOLET. ****& THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT... I REALLY APPRECIATE THE MINUT DETAILS AND YOUR TAKE ON IT.*
I am a cigar guy as well, I don’t smoke my cigars in a vehicle.
How does 992 targa stack up against the 991.2?
I dont get why people love the targa so much. I looks good, but the wind noise is so horrible. Then you can't use it while driving. It's heavier. I feel like the only thing is looks and maybe nostalgia.
I have 992 cab in GT Silver....thinking about getting a Targa in a couple of years. What color would you spec for both exterior and interior?
Going to be answering that question in a coming episode . . . and bringing show and tell.
How was the wind buffering? Any improvements over the 991.2.
About the same . . .
Watching this video makes me feel good that I have my simple black on black 2016 Boxster.
You didn't mention that the Top takes so long to open and close. You can't be driving or stopped at a light and lower it.
Instead, showed you the top in action that was in real time . . .
@@MotoManTV Yes I did and the Top is show in action and limited too..
smartTOP $420 after-market option allows you to open/close while moving < 20mph.
Motorman: would you get the sport exhaust or not? Not sure why you leave out your opinion on some key options!
Sadly, Targa was allways 50% about sound and this is now very subtle and not emotional sounding car anymore :-(. I would stick with the NA 911s forever.
Love your videos. You wouldn’t smoke a cigar in your car, but why smoke it in your lungs?
One of the many beautiful aspects of enjoying a cigar is that you DON'T draw the smoke into your lungs.
I just drove a 992 (base model) and I was really disappointed. It had no soul! The interior has many cheap elements. The obscured gauges are a terrible design, completely unacceptable. Getting back into my AMG GTC, I couldn’t believe how much more engaging, connected, lively, and entertaining the GTC felt.
AMG is a brute german muscle experience, while still being refined - porsche is known for their refined effortless driving experience... they really wake up when pushed to the limits because they are designed to be pushed to the limit very easily. Cant blame you for picking the AMG GTC, that is an amazing car as well.
Oh Dave, I agree my friend. Wow! A 992 Targa! Who gives a "rats ass" is right. When your rolling across the German brick sections of roadway traversing through the small villages or the British cobblestones or the crappy broken pavements of the States, a perfect blend of power to each wheel with a 7 speed manual! Holy Crap!
Compared to the Carrera S this is truly a boulevard cruiser being 400 lb heavier and with a less rigid body and higher center of gravity. This fat girl is made for open top cruising in South Beach and not attacking some wonderful back roads.
The Targa is an antithesis 911.
Nice Review but not mentioned that nerve-wrecking „buffering“ Wind-Noise from the Targa Roof unfortunately has NOT been eliminated since 991; even with the now manually adjustable new higher Wind-Deflector on the Windscreen-Frame! Well thats really a Pity because those Noises are maximally uncomfortable at Speeds approximately 70-90km/h which is a very common Speed-Window in driving and enjoying a Targa.
Secondly in my Opionion the rear „Bumper“ also looks terrible; and its hilarious that Porsche shows their Press Cars with the Front of he (bloody expensive) „Exclusive-Manufacture“ Department due to the terrible looking stock Frontend!
I loved my 991 Targa4S Gen2 and You could get one of these as 2.Hand Car with very low Mileage for 40%off New Price including the lovely analog Instrument-Cluster (and the beloved traditional Cup-holders!!) , so for me the 991 is a great Value for Money right now; besides the Cabriolet is by far the better Option if You are a „Open-roof Addict! But anyway the Targa is the most beautiful Porsche in the 992 Lineup and Design has always sold Cars ; )
Cheers from Munich
Most beautiful banana.
Really, it’s 2020, a 180,000 Porsche 911 just HAS to have at least 500 horsepower. That’s unacceptable.
It out performs cars with 500HP, so what difference does it make? Bragging rights? Get a POS mustang and brag to your friends about how much HP it has.
Mine?
How delightful: a vehicle that has a gasoline pump-engine that is 18% efficient, more than double that of a steam engine! Wait, what? We can buy Teslas? Electro motors are 88% efficient? Oh, right, this isn't 1920.
"Chubby girl"? Really?
$180K? Nope.
From someone who holds no nostalgia with the targa 911’s, I think this is the ugliest shape of the 992 by a wide margin
nah .
The person that buys this & specs it up to $180K+ should just buy a speedster right?
In theory, yes. However, in reality, one cannot go into a Porsche store and just buy a Speedster. You have to have been buying Porsches for years. MANY of them.
@@MotoManTV Good point sir
Still a fast, beautiful and competent car full of pedigree but unfortunately the 911 has become simply too much of everything: too big, too heavy, too tech-driven, too unexciting, too expensive,... If you want to get the real Porsche experience - and you should because Weissach/Zuffenhausen builds cars like few other brands - don't spend this kind of money on this compromise of an open-top GT car but instead get a nicely spec'ed, PPA Macan Turbo as your daily driver and a great-sounding, reasonably lightweight PPA 981 Boxster GTS for the weekends. The two together will probably cost less than a new 992 Targa 4S before(!) options and whichever one you drive, will be much less of a compromise. The people that are buying these 992 Targa's will probably do the same by having several cars in their driveway to choose from but their "compromising less" will be done on a much bigger budget than that of most people watching this kind of UA-cam videos. Just my two cents...
Try finding a 981 Boxster GTS or S trim in a manual? I can't find any GTS and less than a handful S in the whole country. The 992 vs the 991 price delta in the used market will be interesting.
@@johnlee5307 They are (becoming) a bit of a unicorn, that's true. Have the impression that people are holding on to their 981's in general, especially the manual ones. Seems logical with the 718 4-cyl that came next and given the base price of the new 6-cyl 718 GTS. Might be the case as well for the 991.1 vs. the 991.2 and 992 generations of the 911. How about this CPO, manual, Carmine red GTS in Fresno ?
finder.porsche.com/us/en_US/Boxster-GTS-198702
Custom-ordered mine in NYC when there wasn't even a manual one to be found in the whole state to test drive but it probably was the best car purchase of my life. For one third of the price of this press-car spec'ed 992 Targa 4S, you will get much, much more than one third of its driving pleasures and sensations in your 981 Boxster GTS... Good luck !
Wood on a 911? Come on MM, no no a thousand times no. Wood on S class. 911 no please
I have proof that it works . . . and works well! Coming shortly.
Don’t have any extras,rear wheel steer is b*lls*it,you won’t notice the difference.
Clearly you have never driven a 992 or a 991.
Driven both.improves turning circle a bit I’ll give u that.
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For 180 k I would buy a used Ferrari
Good luck with that.
Yeah , this I do not agree with you on . Never liked the targa .
The rear is UGLY
Porsche - most overpriced car ever