@@miketheman4341 992 has more room better steering better interior but main thing is the ride quality also you can get more out of the engine without getting a ticket... GTS is a hot car though i'm currently debating between the two lol
Gerry Khurl What room? The car is millimeters larger than the 991.2. FYI Porsche owners don’t like the fact that it keeps getting bigger as it’s not a true sports car at some point but a GT car. Steering is better but not 40k better! No the ride quality is no better as comfort always means a trading in performance. Nothing about these 2 cars is going to decrease your odds of getting a ticket. I’m on my third 911 and this is less of a change than the 991.2 was. What on earth is better about this interior? It’s got screens which force you to go from screen to screen to do the most basic things unlike a simple button.
Just ordered my 2021 Carrera. I added premium package, sport chrono and sport exhaust. I have a Cayman and I never reallyt used the 14 way seats so I kept the basic 4 way. Price was 112k
Tim Coll congratulations! Problem for me with the base seats, is they don’t have adjustable thigh support, which I love. The electrically movements fore and aft I can do without, just takes a lot of time, especially when you’re vacuuming the interior.
Pay the little extra for the 4 way sports seats plus if you have the standard interior, they have smooth finish softer leather, more comfortable. You need that softness, especially with the cooled seats.
@@tfc850 BTW, don't upgrade the base 19/20 wheels (better ride, less grip/more fun) but do get the lighter noise insulated glass. The 911 a noisy car without it and it gets to you on long trips.
I love 911s and would normally argue for the base. But looking at the current offerings from Porsche, the 718 GTS 4.0 in Cayman or Boxster guise seems to be the absolute sweet spot. Similar powertrain to the GT4/Spyder, manual or PDK option, NA large displacement flat 6, and at a price that’s lower than the base 992 or the GT4/Spyder. If you don’t have to have the 911 and you’re not offended by the looks of the 718 twins, I think those cars could be the answer from Porsche.
Because in shorter, tighter canyon carving, or places where you can't go 100+ you BARELY get to use NA top range. It's basically pointless unless you have long straightaways and sweepers.
Edit: I think you’re saying the NA options are pointless unless you can go 100 mph+. I’d make the same argument for these underrated 992 cars across the range. The base 911 is still faster than 718 GTS 4.0. I’d rather be slower, have a higher redline, and a better (IMO) sound. I guess it depends on how you drive your car man. 2nd and 3rd gears allow sub 100mph stints in both older, NA 911s and current NA 718 options. If that doesn’t matter to you, then the 4 cylinder turbos are just as capable of the same speeds without running out the rev range in most cases. I wrote that 3 years ago. Now, I’d even take a 987.2 in base trim and ring it out along the Appalachian foothills in NC, TN, North GA, and northern AL.
I've seen this video several times, and the more I see it, the more I'm into a 992 base... I like to drive fast but I'm not professional, so I'm not sure if I would be capable to get the most of an S. For the transmission issue, my solution is an e92 NA with manual and sunroof (I think carbon roof is kind of pointless) and that is wunderbar!
Unfortunately, the "base" they gave you had the S wheels, the sport exhaust and sport chrono plus various comfort / convenience and power seat options. Almost $20,,000 in options right there. That said, they're not letting you get a manual, torque vectoring, or rear axle steering unless you spend $15k extra for the S model. So in order to pay extra, you have to pay even more extra. Gotta love Porsche. That said, I optioned a Cayman GTS 4.0 and you can get that to $110k easily. You can also order one with no options if you want a sub-$100k new Porsche with a 6-speed manual, PASM and a flat 6 (non-Turbo but 4.0). My thought is I'd get a base 718 GTS for under $90k. It is probably less "base" than the base 911 (besides having to pay extra for CarPlay capability which is absurd).
The sportschrono is "not that important" actually. You can change the driving modes in the "Car" menu in the infotainment. Sure it's not as quick to adjust but you can get a free sports exhaust and wheels for that price
I haven't used Lane Change Assist once in my 2020 Panamera yet...It seemed like a good idea at the time. I'm also having my doubts if Lane Keep Assist was worth it.
I've got it with my BMW m440i and find its nice to have so long as it can be turned on and off. It's a pain when its on and I try to change lanes without using my directional signals. It fights me.
@@elliottstroupe2475 exactly what I’m looking for... Agate grey , black interior, sport exhaust.... did you order this from your local dealer?? Because I can’t find this spec anywhere near my location.
You're best off getting a used loaded S model. A base model with lots of options will depreciate the most...a base car with no options definitely will leave you wanting more. If you care about depreciation, 3 years old car is the way to go (preferably with many options first owner took a big hit on)...or a GT3/4 new or used, but for the same reason (they are hard to get). Targa holds its value better since its rare.
I don't agree. My 2017 c4s has 420 HP and its all usable. I don't rev it out all the time, but that extra power is there is needing to pass etc. Normal mid to 5K RPM throttle is 'brisk acceleration.' Having 300 HP in a heavier car (3.5k LB) is not enough. I think a nice balance of 'usable power' is about 400 HP on 3k LB car. Of course with AWD, traction is not a problem and you can handle more power, but you're adding weight. These newer gen 911s are approaching 4k LB and 300 HP is low. End of day, you don't feel HP... you feel torque and response.
I used to wonder why anyone would buy a base model Carrera until I was seriously shopping 2014 & 2015 S-models, then realized I could buy a very well speced 2017 991.2 C2 for the same or even less $. AND in most real world driving situations, the newer car outperforms the older 911, although in S form. The base model is loads of fun and will get you a felony driving ticket very very easily.
Standard RWD Carrera is all you need, its criminal that Porsche hasn't offered the manual for it. It's emissions balancing from the suits guys not the engineers. Maybe it will hopefully come before the 992.2 facelift.
George if you circled through all 992 ´s already, can you start from the beginning again please? You can change the color though, no problem. It's like zipping a great wine - just pleasure to watch your Reviews! Next one is Saturday :) No manual - really? Porsche is setting the trend that manual you only can get in the upper level trim - used to be only the entry level trims. well....
We may have run out of 992s . . . for now . . . But happy to report we have a cavalcade of Porsches coming up this month . . . ALL have more horsepower than this. Some, MUCH more.
@@clu4u Been checking.... not really. They are only worth what someone will spend... so someone that can spend. In Aus at least it is not a huge market for what is a 3rd or 4th car for the potential buyer. Plus the price of the new 718 Spyder and 911's does put an upper limit in them as well. After a certain point people that can pay for one at 75% of new are also just as likely to buy new and spec it the way they want and get the whole new car experience.
Looks like they're getting things spaced nicely for a 992 Carrera T. Manual, PTV, rear wheel steer, sport pasm or fixed sports suspension like X73 on the 981 models.
Great Review of the base Carrera. It`s a great Sportscar but when you have the choice between that and a GT4, I would go for the GT4. It would be anyway a weekend driver, so it should be a bit more track-focused to me. - Anyway, the look of the base 992 911 is Wunderbar.
You can't get a new GT4 without a favorable purchase history with the dealer-unless you pay a markup. With a markup, a GT4 will be significantly more expensive than a base 992. In contrast, anyone can walk into a dealer and buy a base 992 (global supply issues aside).
On the color yellow, in 1986 I purchased a Corvette, manual trans in yellow. The color choice was not an easy decision which says, or hints, at something. I made sure I was at the dealer when the car was delivered, watched it come off the truck in fact. Driven to the shop for PDI and coned off per the agreement with the salesman (I’m fussy) I looked it over. The lunch truck showed up and pulled into the shop proper, opening up for business and many gathered about. I over heard another salesman talking to the lunch truck proprietor, who was inquiring about the coned off Vette, “yes that was an ordered car, can you believe they ordered it in yellow?”. About says it all it does, personally I never tired of the color but always wondered if I’d made the wrong decision, it certainly polarized people. A boat salesman once said buy the color for the next guy, some truth in that statement. Sold it years latter to a male hair dresser who wanted a yellow Vette to the exclusion of all other colors offered in ‘86, go figure. Thanks for the review and the many entertaining and informative videos, the 911 has been a dream car since I was 16, never happened but if ones breathing there still a chance correct? Ciao and be well.
have you ever tried having the driving parts all together instead of seperated , and compared minutes watched? Personally I don't watch because of the cutting away from the driving parts so often.
If they were offering manual for the base model - there would be not much to choose, S would be just a matter of deeper pocket. Having no manual options though... I will take the base cabrio as it is not that much sport oriented and if I'm about the copue - S coupe with the manual and all the "sport" goodies...
I drove a C2S 991.2 for a year then a CS2 992 for a year also. I found the width of the 992 body was something that made me feel less confident in narrow lane HWYS and it’s absolutely will oversteer if you’re not a precise throttle used otherwise you have to heel-tow with the breaks engaged as you took a curve to avoid the extra oversteer with the rear torque production. Second: 992 is overkill if you drive and have no idea that you want to be pulled over. 9/10 times the 992 C2S will spin sometimes to the cars loss of traction completely with with traction carol off and requires either skill or caution not to over accelerate. For a RWD car the i92 CS2 is a lot of unusable pwoewer when not one track. Only vanity will make me choose an S model if I wanted and att that why not go with a an s63. Strange how cars in Saudi mare not like in the US
Wouldn't the S63 handle way worse than the 992? I'm just trying to understand why you're comparing a sportscar with a high-performance version of a giant and heavy commuter car.
With the projected resale values that you discussed between the 911 and 718, I’m going to guess that buying a 2-year old base 992 would be optimal: some depreciation is baked in already and you still get a 911
You’re right, the difference in the speed of the PDK between normal and sport plus in a Carrera S alone is a huge difference, so there must be a big difference between how this car shifts versus an S. If you cannot afford an S, get a 718, the lack of all the performance options on the base, removes a lot of the specialness of the 911. However, I think the 718 will always have a lower resale compared to a 911.
These kind of “comparo’s” really bring out the…..ah…..well, folks that know all about the cars…..but just don’t OWN ONE. Anyway…..if drag racing is so critical….a PDK 911 will out perform a manual s in your 1/4 mile contest……but that’s not really why most people buy this car. And if your ego forces you to have an “s” following “Carrera”, that is sad. Folks that option a 911 realize very early in the game that the additional price on an “s” model is negated by the first real option you include on a base 911. And if not “rowing” just kills it for you, you’re probably too young to remember what it was like to hit second gear in your 366 hp GTO and toss your girlfriend from the center console into the backseat. WE DON’T NEED TO SHIFT…..DON’T WANT TO SHIFT ANYMORE……GET IT !! ??? The current 2023 385 hp 911 has all the performance any sane driver can use on a public highway. Almost without exception, most new performance cars are far more capable than the driver. Most are in over their head before they turn the key on 400+ hp…..but they’re all “experts” and know which Porsche YOU need. And I’m willing to bet whom ever said “If you can’t afford an S, get a 718”…….has neither. Porsches are far more than horsepower……..people that buy them have figured that out. Folks that don’t……..enjoy your Dodge Demon !
@@unclebob4964 not sure who you are talking to but..I agree with you. My comment is over two years old, back when I had a 992 s and I’ve since had two base 992s and have a T coming….over. GTS and that with Porsches new crazy prices…. One like at my profile and you can see I have a base and a cayman T…. After having had both in PDK form, the biggest difference when driving a base and an S is the fact that the S doesn’t lose anything as you go up the power and, where as in the base once you hit about 65 or 70, you don’t feel it much. I mean the S comes of the line harder but not by that much!
@@tommy516 I appreciate your response. Your post triggered my response. You clearly know what you’re talking about…..which, as you know, is often not the case. Congrats on the coming “T”……I’ve seen several reviews on them and they appear interesting. And you hit it when you mentioned price…..DAMN !! It took me almost 3 years to finally put a 2023 C2 in my driveway. Base price climbed well over 10K. Initially, I had wanted a C4…….at about the 28th month mark, the manager of the dealership put his arm around my shoulder and said “You’re never going to see a base all wheel drive…..soooo…..I’ll get you a 4s or a C2. I decided to get the C2 and option it. It worked out well……got a gorgeous Agate Grey 911 that just fits this old man just right !…..and that’s all that matters ! Only have just over 500 miles on it and am breaking it in by “the book.” I’m not sure what your position is on breaking….and it doesn’t matter, but I just can’t wrap my head around the “drive it like you stole it” philosophy. The 385 hp in my C2 feel like Clydesdale’s….the bit I have experienced. I’m fortunate to have gone through the muscle car era…..66 442…..66 327 Corvette….69 GTO……69 Z-28…..69 427 Corvette. Yep…..had them all……and that little C2 would walk away from all of them ! Ah….it was fun…..but I can’t think of a better way to wrap it all up with a 911 Porsche ! Thx for your kind response.
The base 911 is the best value proposition for practical purposes and daily driving. Everything else is a waste of money 💰. And purchase without options
Great video as always.. exemplary!! Never miss them!! However... personally.. a 718 4.0 GTS manual.. is MUCH cheaper and will hold it's value better.. even the Boxster version... and with a much better sounding exhaust note.. just as practical.. more exciting.. Did I miss anything?? However I agree.. why oh why.. don't they offer the base 992 with a manual transmission.. I know it's obvious.. but.. c'mon!! The base 991.2 with a manual was a peach!! reduced turbo lag made it more responsive than the S and more in keeping with the original.. to a degree..
The best looking 911 since the 993 imo. The base is more than enough for daily driving. With these cars being turbocharged now there isn’t a huge need to get the S anymore. A simple tune will get you the power the S has. I understand why getting the S is more valuable in the 911.1 since you’re going from a 3.4 to a 3.8 but that’s not the case anymore
If I was getting a 992, I'd get this. Flawed? Yes, but that's the point. I don't want the car to do everything for me, I want to have to actually know how to drive, to get the most out of it. Still a shame no manual though, as that would make it the best drivers car on the market today.
mohawk5010 but the cayman has a 4.0 NA flat six. I dont think a manual base 992 3.0 with turbos would compete with that. Im more into the notion that it would eat the sales of the carrera S though
Should have been a NA variant. Emotional and affordable 911. I am only interested in GT products today. And Cayman GTS 4.0. 911 got so expensive nowadays.
When driving a 911 you're going to get people trying to race. In that case I'd like the PDK and for everyday driving the PDK. Only every once in awhile it would be nice to have manual. So I'll take the PDK. But now 911's and they're options have inflated at too much and are now grossly overpriced for what they are. I'll hold off until they get reasonable.
8,000 dollars and loaded with options you don't need? Fast forward to the 2024 model 992 base and it's already 10 grand more just to start. I don't understand people buying a $110,000+ car and not loading it up with cool options. Cheap seats? No leather upgrades? No way for me. My 2024 992 base will be delivered in a couple months and it has almost $31,000 in options. My dream of owning a 911 is coming and I'm not skipping on options I expect in an expensive car.
No torque vectoring in the non S. It’s standard on the S. The S, for $15k gets: More power, Larger wheels and tires Larger brakes in red Torque vectoring as standard Option of Rear axle steering In addition Motor Trend dyno explains why the S is so stupendously fast to 60 and quarter mile....489 hp and 478 ft/lb of torque!!! Explains 2.9-3.0 to sixty. For my money the S all the way.
That would skyrocket the 992 base sales! Shouldn't be difficult to build and certainly would be an instant sports star!!! Dripping just thinking about that possibility... what are the odds???
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Serious faux pas by Porsche to deny the manual on the most elemental version of the 911...
The 718 Spyder is the better car overall. You pay for 911 mystique and the base 911 is no where near as fun as the Spyder to drive...a true mid-engine car. Plus, you can get it with a manual!!
Do what you want man. Thats what money allows for you to do what you want and thats why we have high dollar products. Its all ego and self soothing, that said there is nothing wrong w/ that. Id take the 7MT in a 911S Targa in blue with red interior. Ugh... 137k later.
Let me consider the competition right here: Porsche 911.992C w/ 379HP B6 or Corvette C8 w/ 492HP V8 ... AND ... $50000 change. That is difficult ... wow
A top trim LT3 C8/Z51 with front lift & optional wheels is @$81k (MSRP) is a lot faster and much nicer inside. Excellent fit and finish (it's in my garage). From the video the interior in this 911 is closer to a similarly optioned base C8 which would be @$10k less. I know Porsche people don't want to here it.
As a previous Z owner and 2nd time Porsche owner; different cars. My 350Z made more power than my Cayman S (same year models) and it got walked when I raced them against each other.
@@waynebrown7310 probably comes down to a sales analysis. maybe more of the people buying a "casual" 911 base model go for the pdk. they're betting enthusiasts will spring extra for the S with manual.
It's interesting reading some of the comments here. Some would have you believe that owning this car (or any Porche) is some sort of life-altering experience. Nonsense. I've driven both the 911 and Cayman extensively. They are nice cars, but I've never bought one. Why? It is impossible to exercise what these cars are capable of on public roads. I don't track my cars, so there is no interest in that. The last time I drove the 911, I just felt frustrated. There is no way that I could daily a 911 as I can't use the performance and I don't think that it makes for much of a GT car in any trim. Why spend the money on capabilities that I could never use. I couldn't justify the purchase, and, yes I could afford it otherwise I would not have bothered with test drives.
Thank you!!! Finally someone reviews the base 911. Everyone pretends it doesn't even exist.
It’s don’t exist given the 991.2! Why buy a 991 base when for the same money you can get a 991.2 GTS.
@@miketheman4341 some people have to have the newest toy. I prefer the looks of the 991.2 and it's more than enough car for 99.9% of people
@@miketheman4341 992 has more room better steering better interior but main thing is the ride quality also you can get more out of the engine without getting a ticket... GTS is a hot car though i'm currently debating between the two lol
Gerry Khurl
What room? The car is millimeters larger than the 991.2. FYI Porsche owners don’t like the fact that it keeps getting bigger as it’s not a true sports car at some point but a GT car. Steering is better but not 40k better! No the ride quality is no better as comfort always means a trading in performance. Nothing about these 2 cars is going to decrease your odds of getting a ticket. I’m on my third 911 and this is less of a change than the 991.2 was.
What on earth is better about this interior? It’s got screens which force you to go from screen to screen to do the most basic things unlike a simple button.
I have a base and love it....$103K....has all the option I need!
Just ordered my 2021 Carrera. I added premium package, sport chrono and sport exhaust. I have a Cayman and I never reallyt used the 14 way seats so I kept the basic 4 way. Price was 112k
Tim Coll congratulations! Problem for me with the base seats, is they don’t have adjustable thigh support, which I love. The electrically movements fore and aft I can do without, just takes a lot of time, especially when you’re vacuuming the interior.
Pay the little extra for the 4 way sports seats plus if you have the standard interior, they have smooth finish softer leather, more comfortable. You need that softness, especially with the cooled seats.
@@eug3nius I thought about and I did order the 14 way seats.
@@tfc850 The 14 way seats don't get you the softer leather with the standard interior either. :)
@@tfc850 BTW, don't upgrade the base 19/20 wheels (better ride, less grip/more fun) but do get the lighter noise insulated glass. The 911 a noisy car without it and it gets to you on long trips.
Perfect. I think the base 992 is the best daily driver. Good job on the video.
I love 911s and would normally argue for the base. But looking at the current offerings from Porsche, the 718 GTS 4.0 in Cayman or Boxster guise seems to be the absolute sweet spot. Similar powertrain to the GT4/Spyder, manual or PDK option, NA large displacement flat 6, and at a price that’s lower than the base 992 or the GT4/Spyder. If you don’t have to have the 911 and you’re not offended by the looks of the 718 twins, I think those cars could be the answer from Porsche.
Because in shorter, tighter canyon carving, or places where you can't go 100+ you BARELY get to use NA top range. It's basically pointless unless you have long straightaways and sweepers.
Edit: I think you’re saying the NA options are pointless unless you can go 100 mph+. I’d make the same argument for these underrated 992 cars across the range. The base 911 is still faster than 718 GTS 4.0. I’d rather be slower, have a higher redline, and a better (IMO) sound.
I guess it depends on how you drive your car man. 2nd and 3rd gears allow sub 100mph stints in both older, NA 911s and current NA 718 options. If that doesn’t matter to you, then the 4 cylinder turbos are just as capable of the same speeds without running out the rev range in most cases. I wrote that 3 years ago. Now, I’d even take a 987.2 in base trim and ring it out along the Appalachian foothills in NC, TN, North GA, and northern AL.
I've seen this video several times, and the more I see it, the more I'm into a 992 base... I like to drive fast but I'm not professional, so I'm not sure if I would be capable to get the most of an S. For the transmission issue, my solution is an e92 NA with manual and sunroof (I think carbon roof is kind of pointless) and that is wunderbar!
Unfortunately, the "base" they gave you had the S wheels, the sport exhaust and sport chrono plus various comfort / convenience and power seat options. Almost $20,,000 in options right there. That said, they're not letting you get a manual, torque vectoring, or rear axle steering unless you spend $15k extra for the S model. So in order to pay extra, you have to pay even more extra. Gotta love Porsche. That said, I optioned a Cayman GTS 4.0 and you can get that to $110k easily. You can also order one with no options if you want a sub-$100k new Porsche with a 6-speed manual, PASM and a flat 6 (non-Turbo but 4.0). My thought is I'd get a base 718 GTS for under $90k. It is probably less "base" than the base 911 (besides having to pay extra for CarPlay capability which is absurd).
The sportschrono is "not that important" actually. You can change the driving modes in the "Car" menu in the infotainment. Sure it's not as quick to adjust but you can get a free sports exhaust and wheels for that price
Timster- just bought a "used" 992 with 4500 miles, blue with sunroof. I am very pleased.
@IPSECMERLIN Merlin about 13000.00
base model is fun!!
I haven't used Lane Change Assist once in my 2020 Panamera yet...It seemed like a good idea at the time. I'm also having my doubts if Lane Keep Assist was worth it.
if i need to save money on configuration definitely something i'm dropping
I've got it with my BMW m440i and find its nice to have so long as it can be turned on and off. It's a pain when its on and I try to change lanes without using my directional signals. It fights me.
What about adding the sports exhaust system?
Am I the only one that thinks the 19"/20" stock wheel size of the base 992 is already perfect? Meatier tires for everyday use.
I bought a 2020 992 for $103K...Stock wheels, Bose, sunroof, Agate gray.... All I need...I'm in heaven!
@@elliottstroupe2475 exactly what I’m looking for... Agate grey , black interior, sport exhaust.... did you order this from your local dealer?? Because I can’t find this spec anywhere near my location.
@@elliottstroupe2475 I have just ordered my 911 992 ... Is this good choice? What do you think?
Sounds like they're saving the good stuff for the 911T.
Love the magnets on the drawing board, M, very neat touch.
As always, excellent work
VERY intrigued to see what that turns out to be . . .
Well done. Funny and informative. You're a great communicator dishing all the good stuff. Keep up the good work! oh.......and Thanks!
The words cheap, Porsche and 992 should never be used in the same sentence.
You're best off getting a used loaded S model. A base model with lots of options will depreciate the most...a base car with no options definitely will leave you wanting more. If you care about depreciation, 3 years old car is the way to go (preferably with many options first owner took a big hit on)...or a GT3/4 new or used, but for the same reason (they are hard to get). Targa holds its value better since its rare.
For daily driving, it would be very difficult to use all 300hp.
I don't agree. My 2017 c4s has 420 HP and its all usable. I don't rev it out all the time, but that extra power is there is needing to pass etc. Normal mid to 5K RPM throttle is 'brisk acceleration.' Having 300 HP in a heavier car (3.5k LB) is not enough. I think a nice balance of 'usable power' is about 400 HP on 3k LB car. Of course with AWD, traction is not a problem and you can handle more power, but you're adding weight. These newer gen 911s are approaching 4k LB and 300 HP is low. End of day, you don't feel HP... you feel torque and response.
I used to wonder why anyone would buy a base model Carrera until I was seriously shopping 2014 & 2015 S-models, then realized I could buy a very well speced 2017 991.2 C2 for the same or even less $. AND in most real world driving situations, the newer car outperforms the older 911, although in S form. The base model is loads of fun and will get you a felony driving ticket very very easily.
How was the launch control? I ordered same one with convertible with sports chrono
Standard RWD Carrera is all you need, its criminal that Porsche hasn't offered the manual for it. It's emissions balancing from the suits guys not the engineers. Maybe it will hopefully come before the 992.2 facelift.
George if you circled through all 992 ´s already, can you start from the beginning again please? You can change the color though, no problem. It's like zipping a great wine - just pleasure to watch your Reviews! Next one is Saturday :)
No manual - really? Porsche is setting the trend that manual you only can get in the upper level trim - used to be only the entry level trims. well....
We may have run out of 992s . . . for now . . . But happy to report we have a cavalcade of Porsches coming up this month . . . ALL have more horsepower than this. Some, MUCH more.
My 981 Spyder only dropped 25% in 4 years and 32K km on it. For a good time it was worth more than I paid for it.
It prolly is worth more today
@@clu4u Been checking.... not really. They are only worth what someone will spend... so someone that can spend. In Aus at least it is not a huge market for what is a 3rd or 4th car for the potential buyer. Plus the price of the new 718 Spyder and 911's does put an upper limit in them as well. After a certain point people that can pay for one at 75% of new are also just as likely to buy new and spec it the way they want and get the whole new car experience.
Yes I thought the same thing cayman gts 4.0 is great but the name and prestige of a 911 is priceless
Looks like they're getting things spaced nicely for a 992 Carrera T. Manual, PTV, rear wheel steer, sport pasm or fixed sports suspension like X73 on the 981 models.
I have the 911 in Racing Yellow and I get a LOT of compliments on my 2014 911 😀 only 10k miles in this car 👍
What is the weight jump of the wheels and tires stepping up to the carrera s wheel?
Milli Vanilli good question! I actually wonder if the ride isn’t impaired also with the larger wheels🤔
Nord Mann larger wheels usually mean thinner rubbers.
Jimmy Dishkawnt yes, but more metal also..
Great Review of the base Carrera. It`s a great Sportscar but when you have the choice between that and a GT4, I would go for the GT4. It would be anyway a weekend driver, so it should be a bit more track-focused to me. - Anyway, the look of the base 992 911 is Wunderbar.
You can't get a new GT4 without a favorable purchase history with the dealer-unless you pay a markup. With a markup, a GT4 will be significantly more expensive than a base 992. In contrast, anyone can walk into a dealer and buy a base 992 (global supply issues aside).
£82k in the uk
I’d buy one but just wouldn’t be able to drive it enough for it to make sense but awesome car
Love your videos so well explained.
The best base Carrera review I've seen yet! Thanks.
On the color yellow, in 1986 I purchased a Corvette, manual trans in yellow. The color choice was not an easy decision which says, or hints, at something. I made sure I was at the dealer when the car was delivered, watched it come off the truck in fact. Driven to the shop for PDI and coned off per the agreement with the salesman (I’m fussy) I looked it over. The lunch truck showed up and pulled into the shop proper, opening up for business and many gathered about. I over heard another salesman talking to the lunch truck proprietor, who was inquiring about the coned off Vette, “yes that was an ordered car, can you believe they ordered it in yellow?”. About says it all it does, personally I never tired of the color but always wondered if I’d made the wrong decision, it certainly polarized people. A boat salesman once said buy the color for the next guy, some truth in that statement. Sold it years latter to a male hair dresser who wanted a yellow Vette to the exclusion of all other colors offered in ‘86, go figure. Thanks for the review and the many entertaining and informative videos, the 911 has been a dream car since I was 16, never happened but if ones breathing there still a chance correct? Ciao and be well.
Spot on with 'buy the color for the next guy' . . . the only times I break that rule: Cars you buy on passion . . . And with cash.
have you ever tried having the driving parts all together instead of seperated , and compared minutes watched? Personally I don't watch because of the cutting away from the driving parts so often.
You forgot a very important thing... it doesn’t have a limited slip differential !
If they were offering manual for the base model - there would be not much to choose, S would be just a matter of deeper pocket. Having no manual options though... I will take the base cabrio as it is not that much sport oriented and if I'm about the copue - S coupe with the manual and all the "sport" goodies...
8:07... shame....! Otherwise this would negate the deliberately unresponsive PDK set up on the basic car (which you just explained)...?
I drove a C2S 991.2 for a year then a CS2 992 for a year also. I found the width of the 992 body was something that made me feel less confident in narrow lane HWYS and it’s absolutely will oversteer if you’re not a precise throttle used otherwise you have to heel-tow with the breaks engaged as you took a curve to avoid the extra oversteer with the rear torque production. Second: 992 is overkill if you drive and have no idea that you want to be pulled over. 9/10 times the 992 C2S will spin sometimes to the cars loss of traction completely with with traction carol off and requires either skill or caution not to over accelerate. For a RWD car the i92 CS2 is a lot of unusable pwoewer when not one track. Only vanity will make me choose an S model if I wanted and att that why not go with a an s63. Strange how cars in Saudi mare not like in the US
Wouldn't the S63 handle way worse than the 992? I'm just trying to understand why you're comparing a sportscar with a high-performance version of a giant and heavy commuter car.
Let's hope they make a 992 Carrera T manual with the base engine, S brakes and Porsche Torque Vectoring as standard.
Why don't you use launch control when testing the speeding feeling and time?
@@SaintMecha make sense!!
I n ever use launch control on my car unless I'm showing someone in the car launch control. Abdulla Ali nailed it.
Could not have said it better myself . . . Thanks, Abdulla!
I love this channel! It's like I'm hanging out with you as you check out awesome cars!
WOW! Thanks . . . greatly appreciate it!
With the projected resale values that you discussed between the 911 and 718, I’m going to guess that buying a 2-year old base 992 would be optimal: some depreciation is baked in already and you still get a 911
You’re right, the difference in the speed of the PDK between normal and sport plus in a Carrera S alone is a huge difference, so there must be a big difference between how this car shifts versus an S. If you cannot afford an S, get a 718, the lack of all the performance options on the base, removes a lot of the specialness of the 911. However, I think the 718 will always have a lower resale compared to a 911.
These kind of “comparo’s” really bring out the…..ah…..well, folks that know all about the cars…..but just don’t OWN ONE.
Anyway…..if drag racing is so critical….a PDK 911 will out perform a manual s in your 1/4 mile contest……but that’s not really why most people buy this car.
And if your ego forces you to have an “s” following “Carrera”, that is sad.
Folks that option a 911 realize very early in the game that the additional price on an “s” model is negated by the first real option you include on a base 911.
And if not “rowing” just kills it for you, you’re probably too young to remember what it was like to hit second gear in your 366 hp GTO and toss your girlfriend from the center console into the backseat.
WE DON’T NEED TO SHIFT…..DON’T WANT TO SHIFT ANYMORE……GET IT !! ???
The current 2023 385 hp 911 has all the performance any sane driver can use on a public highway.
Almost without exception, most new performance cars are far more capable than the driver. Most are in over their head before they turn the key on 400+ hp…..but they’re all “experts” and know which Porsche YOU need.
And I’m willing to bet whom ever said “If you can’t afford an S, get a 718”…….has neither.
Porsches are far more than horsepower……..people that buy them have figured that out.
Folks that don’t……..enjoy your Dodge Demon !
@@unclebob4964 not sure who you are talking to but..I agree with you. My comment is over two years old, back when I had a 992 s and I’ve since had two base 992s and have a T coming….over. GTS and that with Porsches new crazy prices…. One like at my profile and you can see I have a base and a cayman T…. After having had both in PDK form, the biggest difference when driving a base and an S is the fact that the S doesn’t lose anything as you go up the power and, where as in the base once you hit about 65 or 70, you don’t feel it much. I mean the S comes of the line harder but not by that much!
@@tommy516 I appreciate your response.
Your post triggered my response.
You clearly know what you’re talking about…..which, as you know, is often not the case.
Congrats on the coming “T”……I’ve seen several reviews on them and they appear interesting.
And you hit it when you mentioned price…..DAMN !!
It took me almost 3 years to finally put a 2023 C2 in my driveway. Base price climbed well over 10K.
Initially, I had wanted a C4…….at about the 28th month mark, the manager of the dealership put his arm around my shoulder and said “You’re never going to see a base all wheel drive…..soooo…..I’ll get you a 4s or a C2.
I decided to get the C2 and option it. It worked out well……got a gorgeous Agate Grey 911 that just fits this old man just right !…..and that’s all that matters !
Only have just over 500 miles on it and am breaking it in by “the book.”
I’m not sure what your position is on breaking….and it doesn’t matter, but I just can’t wrap my head around the “drive it like you stole it” philosophy.
The 385 hp in my C2 feel like Clydesdale’s….the bit I have experienced.
I’m fortunate to have gone through the muscle car era…..66 442…..66 327 Corvette….69 GTO……69 Z-28…..69 427 Corvette.
Yep…..had them all……and that little C2 would walk away from all of them !
Ah….it was fun…..but I can’t think of a better way to wrap it all up with a 911 Porsche !
Thx for your kind response.
The base 911 is the best value proposition for practical purposes and daily driving. Everything else is a waste of money 💰. And purchase without options
Wait. Are you saying that the base Carrera with smaller turbos has *more* lag than the Carrera S?
If i got the review right, I think the lag is on normal mode. Sport and sport+ modes has no lag. I may be wrong though
Normally it’s the other way around. Smaller turbos smaller lag.
Why would the fuel consumption be the same as the S? I would feel ripped off.
Great video as always.. exemplary!! Never miss them!! However... personally.. a 718 4.0 GTS manual.. is MUCH cheaper and will hold it's value better.. even the Boxster version... and with a much better sounding exhaust note.. just as practical.. more exciting.. Did I miss anything?? However I agree.. why oh why.. don't they offer the base 992 with a manual transmission.. I know it's obvious.. but.. c'mon!! The base 991.2 with a manual was a peach!! reduced turbo lag made it more responsive than the S and more in keeping with the original.. to a degree..
718 dont hold value better, its mistake
Why are you using the diameter symbol for a zero
You can’t get the 992 with a manual, or this specific trim?
Manual trans is only available on the 992 Carrera "S".
Alex that’s the “problem” 😅
The best looking 911 since the 993 imo. The base is more than enough for daily driving. With these cars being turbocharged now there isn’t a huge need to get the S anymore. A simple tune will get you the power the S has. I understand why getting the S is more valuable in the 911.1 since you’re going from a 3.4 to a 3.8 but that’s not the case anymore
Porsche are protecting Carrera S sales’s numbers by limited options on the base model! So sad!!!
Great review!!!
I wish it had the same gauge cluster as the 991, because then this car I can’t afford would fit my tastes better lol
If I was getting a 992, I'd get this. Flawed? Yes, but that's the point. I don't want the car to do everything for me, I want to have to actually know how to drive, to get the most out of it.
Still a shame no manual though, as that would make it the best drivers car on the market today.
Question why is the 992 Turbo a gas guzzler and the 992 Turbo S is not?
So is this one or a 991.2 carrera T...?
Neither. Answer is at the end of this episode.
When will those days come when 4 year cars were 50% MSRP? It's been two years since the chip crisis and still it seems like nothing has changed.
Really... I'd configure a 911 Carrera S Manual than off any dealer lot.
Its not base, has the sports exhaust, sports chrono, wheels different diameter.
mate you can spec all that in the base.
Milli Vanilli - there s not a 911 in existence that has no options.... OK maybe one or two.....
Havent seen a review yet of a base 992 without options. But Would love to see reviews about the smaller 19/20 wheels combo
aviator2492 yes I understand that, but all these are performance upgrades than enhances it from ‘base’
Porsche 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 maybe the sweet budge3t sporting fun?
No manual was a let down😔
Maybe in a year or 2. Who knows? 🤞🏼
Porsche and Dave Ramsey fan , and in the same sentence makes me think it's OK to buy one now. I like your presentation style!
Thank you, Jim!
@@MotoManTV I bought a used 2018 Macan GTS last week. pick it up next Monday. Your GTS video was helpful. Thanks MotoMan!
Smart analysis !
Chrono pack is all you really need on the standard. Absolutely love my 911 992
I have just ordered my 911 992 ... Is this good choice? What do you think?
Still 77 HP more than my 2000 911 996.
Just strip out the unnecessary options and go for the S variant.
Why have a manual when PDK is much faster.???
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That´s strange. The most basic version but no manual? Maybe they are afraid of creating a too attractive budget model.
yes they want to balance the emissions sheet bs.
Reverse-Cayman Complex. They’re afraid the 911 will eat into Cayman sales. 🙃
mohawk5010 but the cayman has a 4.0 NA flat six. I dont think a manual base 992 3.0 with turbos would compete with that. Im more into the notion that it would eat the sales of the carrera S though
Nah, they are just waiting for the Carrera T.
@@aviator-kn8zq Thanks Obama!
Should have been a NA variant. Emotional and affordable 911. I am only interested in GT products today. And Cayman GTS 4.0. 911 got so expensive nowadays.
When I watch reviews of the 911, I am always convinced that the 718 is a better deal and better-optioned car.
So a base 911 with a short option list is $116k?
Not worth it.
A Porsche 911 is a 911 is a 911
I like 911s but if I can't get a old fashion manual gearbox I'll stick with vintage cars.
Looks better than the current turbos and gt:s. Think thats the first time since 964.
Finally someone Reviewed it! I`ve been looking for the base Carrera since it got unveiled.
Theres a comparison video of the s and base awhile ago
@@BobbyDazzler888 I saw that but that Carrera was very highly specced. This one too wasnt too basic but still...
What you want will come with the Carrera T.
Except sound.
Nord Mann Referencing manual transmission but agree with you on sound also.
SeñorDuc ergo, get the 991.2 Carrera T😉🥇
Nord Mann I have 991.1 GTS.... I’ll be keeping it.
SeñorDuc cool car👍🏻
When driving a 911 you're going to get people trying to race. In that case I'd like the PDK and for everyday driving the PDK. Only every once in awhile it would be nice to have manual. So I'll take the PDK. But now 911's and they're options have inflated at too much and are now grossly overpriced for what they are. I'll hold off until they get reasonable.
8,000 dollars and loaded with options you don't need? Fast forward to the 2024 model 992 base and it's already 10 grand more just to start. I don't understand people buying a $110,000+ car and not loading it up with cool options. Cheap seats? No leather upgrades? No way for me. My 2024 992 base will be delivered in a couple months and it has almost $31,000 in options. My dream of owning a 911 is coming and I'm not skipping on options I expect in an expensive car.
Can't say I disagree . . . ua-cam.com/video/xNRj3ffFWnQ/v-deo.html
Ahhh yes, the 922; they even cheaped out on the chassis ID #.
No torque vectoring in the non S. It’s standard on the S.
The S, for $15k gets:
More power,
Larger wheels and tires
Larger brakes in red
Torque vectoring as standard
Option of Rear axle steering
In addition Motor Trend dyno explains why the S is so stupendously fast to 60 and quarter mile....489 hp and 478 ft/lb of torque!!!
Explains 2.9-3.0 to sixty.
For my money the S all the way.
No brainer....
I can’t unsee last Gen beetle in that front clip and it bothers me 🤯
You do know that the beetle was designed and made by Ferdinand Porsche!?
ternavasso1963 you seriously wasted your time to type that?
Dill Withers if you seriously see a beetle in a 992 yes!
Porsche unfortunately wants their whole fleet to have the Panamera vibe...
Imagine a base manual 992 with the 4.0 NA flat six of the boxster 💦💦💦
That would skyrocket the 992 base sales! Shouldn't be difficult to build and certainly would be an instant sports star!!! Dripping just thinking about that possibility... what are the odds???
Serious faux pas by Porsche to deny the manual on the most elemental version of the 911...
The 718 Spyder is the better car overall. You pay for 911 mystique and the base 911 is no where near as fun as the Spyder to drive...a true mid-engine car. Plus, you can get it with a manual!!
This or LC500 ?
Do what you want man. Thats what money allows for you to do what you want and thats why we have high dollar products. Its all ego and self soothing, that said there is nothing wrong w/ that. Id take the 7MT in a 911S Targa in blue with red interior. Ugh... 137k later.
Ageed!! Give us the manual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ..and non electric door handles. :( Nice review BTW Thx
Let me consider the competition right here: Porsche 911.992C w/ 379HP B6 or Corvette C8 w/ 492HP V8 ... AND ... $50000 change. That is difficult ... wow
Obviously something this Porsche snob channel would NOT consider!
German engineering and build quality is waaaay ahead vs the c8.
@@jimmydishkawnt I would suggest you actually take a look at the C first hand.
A top trim LT3 C8/Z51 with front lift & optional wheels is @$81k (MSRP) is a lot faster and much nicer inside. Excellent fit and finish (it's in my garage). From the video the interior in this 911 is closer to a similarly optioned base C8 which would be @$10k less. I know Porsche people don't want to here it.
In yellow that full width pop up rear spoiler looks like Mr Zippy's mouth!
Nice, Nissan 400z gonna have more power than that. there's rumors that they gonna build the Z with carbon tub
As a previous Z owner and 2nd time Porsche owner; different cars. My 350Z made more power than my Cayman S (same year models) and it got walked when I raced them against each other.
I am excited about the 400Z and we will see very soon how it is going to look like. A carbon tub is NEVER going to happen. It is not a McLaren.
They found a way to make carbon fibre alot cheaper and faster to produce, look it up,
Search Nissan "carbon fiber mass produce technology" announce
@@tough931 I will, however it is extremely unlikely.
This is why the Lord made the GT4. :-)
Amen.
Porsche knows how to milk people of their money with the option prices. What a rip off. Still a nice car tho.
Rich ppl don’t care lol
Not a ripoff, you can choose not to buy the car entirely or its option.
Notification squad! 1st comment!😎
Love 911s, but Cayman gts 4.0 >>>> 911 for
This video is from 1994 with a 2020 Porsche. This is a proof of time travel people.
The least expensive in the 992 911 lineup but not cheap
🤣 the only cheap porsche is a used porsche
I like porsche but every time I look at the price I say thank you Chevrolet for making Corvettes.
And now the 2021 version comes in stick...oh oh.
Cheaper than the Boxster GTS you just tested.
Sadly, true:)
No manual!
Porshe losing their minds?
Only with "S" trim.
No cost option.
Porsche wants you to pay more for the S trim if you want a manual 🙁
@@jimmydishkawnt
Every other manufacturer, you for the base trim, you get a manual.
Only porshe wants you to pay more for a manual.
@@waynebrown7310 probably comes down to a sales analysis. maybe more of the people buying a "casual" 911 base model go for the pdk. they're betting enthusiasts will spring extra for the S with manual.
I'm looking for someone, who would give me the basic Porsche 911. I will be forever grateful. Thank you. Promise I will not scratch it.
A “cheap” 911 is $116,000? Definitely out of my price range.
you answered your own question, he said "cheap 911" not a "cheap car". this is pretty cheap compared to the other 911 variants offered
Just wait a few years and let the depreciation work a bit.
Its 116k because of the options added. If you dont tick any boxes on the options list, the car is 90k+... still not cheap though 🤣
Carrera 911 S
992
Affordable......ha. Dave Ramsey would want you to pay cash for it.
It's interesting reading some of the comments here. Some would have you believe that owning this car (or any Porche) is some sort of life-altering experience. Nonsense. I've driven both the 911 and Cayman extensively. They are nice cars, but I've never bought one. Why? It is impossible to exercise what these cars are capable of on public roads. I don't track my cars, so there is no interest in that. The last time I drove the 911, I just felt frustrated. There is no way that I could daily a 911 as I can't use the performance and I don't think that it makes for much of a GT car in any trim. Why spend the money on capabilities that I could never use. I couldn't justify the purchase, and, yes I could afford it otherwise I would not have bothered with test drives.