As a fists player to the point where my HEMA longsword has a yellow grip, and I wear a Rogal Dorn T-shirt underneath my fencing jacket, I am HERE for this video.
Dorn battling Fulgrim was legendary and then being immediately followed up by Dorn and Sigismund absolutely laying waste to the champions of the Emperor's Children was epic beyond reproach.
And Dorne proceeded to provide a lecture on ethics and restraint in warfare because blood is NEVER just for blood and why you fight is the most important factor until Khorne essentially gave up and let him go.
@danielmouatt5570 that's kind of my argument in Cthulhu settings like Delta Green. If we are ultimately doomed and our choices don't matter, then our choices are the ONLY thing that matter.
Glad to see this pop up right as I'm painting up the man himself for a game this Saturday. I think that the strongest argument for why Dorn is the best primarch isn't that he did something that nobody else could do, but that he did something that nobody else WOULD do. His skill in defense is less about his (admittedly very formidable) tactical and strategic skill and more that he and his legion were uniquely willing to suborn their will to the Emperor's. They care nothing for honor, admiration, glory, or any other personal gain. Every other primarch, even those most loyal, showed that the Emperor and humanity came second to their own designs. Only Rogal would sit out the entire Heresy with his legion, biding their time and their strength until it mattered most. Only Rogal would watch his brothers earn glory after glory while he sat in a fortress and watched data feeds. Only Rogal would reject the temptation to seek an alternative or easy victory and instead hold the Throneworld at all costs. Only Rogal would do all this while stifling his urge to fight and never giving in to the bitterness and hatred that saw Perturabo betray the Imperium. The Emperor knew this and knew that there could be no other primarch and legion trusted to that task. In fact, this may well have been exactly why Dorn was created. The primarchs are demigods created to defy reality and achieve the impossible, yet Dorn alone could and would bury those instincts and fight the war that the way that the Emperor required, no matter the cost and no matter the personal strain. A lot is made of the Iron Cage, but that was really just Dorn allowing himself the freedom that every other primarch had exercised throughout the entire war - who else hadn't thrown themselves and their legion into insane situations just to take the fight to the enemy? The Khan abandoned the walls to fight the way he and his legion wanted; Russ abandoned Terra and Guilliman even left the Imperium behind when he thought that it was lost. The fact that Dorn held himself, his legion, and the Imperium together throughout the entire Heresy and only surrendered to his primarch instincts after there was nothing left to defend shows his character. He didn't choose his role and his duty, he was just the only man willing to perform it.
Dorn absolutely got the best development through heresy and especially Siege of Terra novels. Dude just came off as an absolute boss and powerhouse. Came across as an absolute monster as both a tactician and fighter in Saturnine.
In regards to the fight with Fulgrim, if Fulgrim thought he could kill Rogal, he would have stayed. How could he resist the pleasure of killing another brother? Fulgrim left because he knew better. Rogal spent his entire time after the heresy began no doubt strategizing how to beat every single one of his brothers. He knew their weakness and strength compared to his and formulated strategies to overcome every single one of them. He is unrelentingly thorough, stoic in his duties, and loyal until the end of time. His test by khorne proved this, Rogal will never quit, never falter, and never submit to defeat as long as he lives. TO THE PRAETORIAN OF TERRA! FOR THE EMPEROR!
Rogal really sneaks up on you. When I first saw Rogal's name on this video, without hesitation, I thought, hmmm.......yeah, Rogal. Didn't think that when I saw Angron.
Normally I would think someone like this is boring yet the authors made him one of the most badass characters. So singular-minded, especially after EatD 3 when he overcomes Khorne
I like out of all the primarchs, Rogal Dorn's super ability is being normal. Like he's so normal his mere presence calms the warp. I wish I had 1% of that kind of fortitude.
I don't like his character and that he's quick to judge others (almost killed Garro instead of at least thinking about potential betrayal of Horus). Still he's solid guy. Loyal and putting his duty above his feelings and personal gains.
I love rogal dorn and the imperial fists. It’s just a shame they seemed to lose all personality after the heresy. 40K imperial fists seem a bit meh. It’s almost like the black Templars are the main faction for the sons of dorn.
Whether you are a RD/IF fan or not, Dorn is arguably the greatest Primarch throughout the Heresy. He wasn't just defending Terra against traitor legions, but endless hordes of Warp Entities...Terra itself was falling into the Warp. The fact he held out as long as he did. I always wondered how would things have ended had the Ultramarines reached Terra before the boarding of the Vengeful Spirit.
Top reasons why Dorn was the praetorian of Terra*. 1. Absolute loyalty without hesitation or greed. 2. His actual ability in defence being his specialty 3. He was capable of not being involved, humanity was meant to be lead by Humans not Demi gods. Would Gilliman try and force his will on Terror like he does Ultrama, yes he would. Perturabo even though he grew up on Olympia was still fragile to insults and snubs, something that would be common on Terra.
🟡 The Emperor with valor fought the Dark Gods with his faith, conquering within himself the last pure light that still shone in the Warp, becoming in fact the devout and just God of Humanity. How does the Emperor, during the Council of Nikea, convince his sons of the importance of Librarians? Using as example Sanguinius and Lorgar Aurelian! Plus, to help Leman Russ and Corvus Corax understand. Since the Emperor is the God of Humanity, thanks to Lorgar Aurelian all of Colchis is freed and purified from the cult of Chaos (thanks to his colchisian crusaders led by the true and pious Erebus: Truth Bearers). Lorgar Aurelian is the one who then founds the Ecclesiarchy with his Crusader Order: the Frateris Militaris. Lorgar Aurelian is like Ascalon Troyes, equal to Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius! (Illuminarum is not a maul but a mace) If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox. And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers). (Byzantine Crusader type) Primarch Ulysses II Legion Iron Snakes Homeworld Ithaka; Primarch Casmero XI Legion Silver Skulls Homeworld Varsavia. The Emperor uses the Traitors's Gene Seed to recreate the fallen Legions: The new III Legion are the Red Scorpions (Primarch Devortus Gault, Homeworld Zaebus), the new IV Legion are the Minotaurs (Primarch Theseus, Homeworld Artherion), the new VIII Legion are the Black Dragons (Primarch Murad Agha, Homeworld Burso), the new XIV Legion are the Doom Eagles (Primarch Severin, Homeworld Cailleach), the new XV Legion are the Blood Ravens (Primarch Mikael Corveda, Homeworld Aurelia), the new XVI Legion are the Scythes of the Emperor (Primarch Kaius Krav, Homeworld Sotha), the new XX Legion are the Mortifactors (Primarch Arpaza, Homeworld Posul).
Always wondered what a Perturabo made Imperial Palace would have looked like. I imagine it would have been the Iron Cage on steroids. The Emperor could have simply taken both of them to Terra and the Sol system would have been truly impenetrable, making them work together to build something would also have healed some fairly deep resentment and loathing on both sides.
Dorn was one of the primarchs who didn't live for the fight and I believe that's why the Emperor trusted him. Dorn fought so that one day he could stop, the same can't be said for all of his brothers especially the ones whose talents are only really useful during war.
I love Rogal Dorn and the Fists. The other legions are very glorious, very this, very that. The fact remains the Fists and Dorn were the ones who held Terra, alone, for years. They held the palace and they were the ones who never broke. It was only in the Iron Cage that they and Dorn finally snapped. I still think that, if the Ultramarines had not come, the Fists would have annihilated the Iron Warriors. Rogal would have died with his sword in Perturabo's neck. The last Imperial Fist would die on a hill of gunmetal.
I feel there is a little tragedy in Rogal Dorn. He is how all the primarchs could have been if handled properly by the Emperor and their peers. He got the right recognition for his achievements, was built with the right personality, and was assigned less than his fair share of nasty missions. How could Konrad have turned out if put under the oversight of Magnus rather than Vulkan to learn the truth of his sight? What about if Mortarion or Angron had been given more support from the Emperor upon their discovery? Another Rogal Dorn, probably not, but also probably remain loyal.
But then he kinda throws it away in the scouring. His blunder, whether through rage or just carelessness, cost him his life in scenario that he arguably should have won.
He did it to prevent civil war with rowboat. Throwing his legion away in the cage meant he didn't have to admit girlyman was right and concede. He simply took his legion out of the equation. Smart? No, but it was very Rogal, he didn't admit defeat and chose masochism.
Objectively the best Primarch. Subjectively the best Primarch. By litetally any way it is possible to measure or judge, Rogal Dorn is the best of the best of the best.
It was always a matter of time with Pert. His psychology just wasn't stable enough to not continue to be self doubting and neurotic. Once the crusade was far enough along he was too far gone to ever return.
I would say that it would be very unlikely, it may have delayed it enough that instead of joining Horus he and his legion would instead opt to go their own way instead of picking a side. The guy was just too maladjusted.
I'm still at the start of the video I just have to say something. Rogal Dorn is actually, one of the best candidates for best Primarch in just about every way, I'm not here to contest that. But to say that it was throughout the Horus Heresy that, that was shown is simply not true. He had next to no character development before the siege. I knew more about Ferus Manus than Dorn before the siege. I don't for a second believe you intended to deceive anyone with that, But I do feel that it is an important distinction to make for those who have not read all of the books.
Dorn's biggest problem is his death. He was killed by mooks. Not a greater demon, demon primarch, ork warlord, or necron tombking. Not even a named chaos space marine. Just some randos. It sucks because otherwise he's pretty rad.
Rapebutto girlyman is the worst by far with his space bidet chapter of book bond toilet cleaners to the custodian assfartes. Thieft of what was Dorn seat.. of once golden is now named the porcelain throne for good reason to a guy whom almost started cival war.
What's the story when Rogaln found/discovered the hidden system of advanced hum s that were influenced by aliens? Rogal destroyed tuem after overcoming their stealth tech? Thx
Other than my head canon being that Alex Jones is the lost 2nd primarch, and that I would follow that man into the Eye of Terror, regarding the official lore and unofficial non-head canon lore, Dorn is my favorite by quite a bit. If I had to be in a chapter, it would be the sons of Vulkan, but the Fists still take my respect to another level. A mobile, sentient, and very angry Great Wall of China that gets deployed in the way of almost every truly serious problem, its too cool, and Dorn is too commendable to not adore.
Rho... I believe Dorn's blueberry flavored brother has given his life TWICE for the Empire and the Emperor. While Dorn...lost a hand and then himself. Ol Robo brought lead ingots to the scale and Dorn brought a single feather he found on the way over.
Dorn is one of the few Primarchs who do deserve to be in the discussion. He might even deserve it. But... nah, man. Dorn did NOT win against Perturabo. He might have eventually won, but Perturabo was driven from the field by the Traitors self-sabotage (including Perturabo's own nature, he's not a blameless victim here) before it was over. If Perturabo had been leading the siege in the final days and then had been unable to crack the defenses before the 13th showed up, it would be fair to say he lost to Dorn. That didn't happen, tho.
It doesnt matter what happened in the background - did the Traitors kill Big E when thet had the chance? Yes or No. And no "Long War 2 lets play!" Option. 😂 Them Choas guys keep saying that but kept losing for 10k years.
Perturabo quit. Dorn never quits. Not only that, Dorn walked in to Perturabo’s own house where the Iron Warriors had EVERY advantage, and the Iron Warriors couldn’t defeat them. If Perturabo didn’t have the entire might of chaos on his side, he wouldn’t have even come close to breaching the palace.
It's hard to call it a win for Pert when the warp did all the heavy lifting. Every single major defeat at Terra was due to the planet sliding into the warp and daemons killing everyone. Pert never outplayed Dorn. Not one time. It's one of the reasons he left. He knew he would never get his fair win on Dorn at the siege and Mort and Fulgy were ruining his fun.
You have to ✋️ it to Rogal Dorn. No better HANDy man to build the defense of TERRA with a HANDful of marines. Chaos HANDED him a full FIST of force even with a win with one HAND tied behind his back militarily. In one HAND he defeated fulgrim while in the Other HAND alpharious. So lets give the man a HAND and with that standing 👏, by realizing this man had his HAND in all things that make him the greatest primarch. . Because the primarch of the iron HANDS may have given his head, but rogal gave his fap HAND.😂
Im on book 21 of the HH series, and i gotta be honest.... Dorn absolutely sucks so far. He's always completely unreasonable and seems like he's about to have a tantrum and attack anyone he's speaking to.
Bout time, you got to dorn.. i know why, though.. because.. it makes the most sense... since he actually is..lionel had half of his chapter fall to chaos, so nope, he aint the best dorn.. are others just as great as you...."No"
You forget that Perturabo not only cracked open the defences of the palace, but left the battle near the end as he was wounded and dying as a result of Fulgrim’s treachery. Not to mention the Iron Cage
You mean, Perturabo who literally had the entire might of Chaos, it’s daemons, and 6 traitor legions. Yeah, SOOO impressive 😂 He left because he knew he couldn’t do more than he already did, the loyalists were throwing back the traitors everywhere, and while the palace was breached by ANGRON, NOT perty, he decided that continuing would be a waste, not because he had to leave. He chose to. He quit. Dorn never quits. And it’s hilarious you bring up the Iron Cage, the fists were beat to shit after the Siege of Terra, and still willingly walked into a trap where the Iron Warriors had EVERY advantage imaginable, and all they could manage was a stalemate. Perty once again, could not commit, just like he couldn’t commit on Terra. Imagine challenging an enemy to come to your home turf where you have the advantage, and then proceed to get your ass handed to you. Pathetic.
Yeah if you actually read the books it wasn't even Pert. One of his biggest plays ended in nearly getting Abadon killed by an ambush by Dorn. The thing that broke the palace was mountain sized daemons, Angron being completely and utterly unstoppable and just offing Titans like toys, The strongest Titan Legion outnumbering the defenders by several times over, massive numbers advantage, magic, and orbital and aerial superiority. Dorn managed to last 3 times longer than Pert predicted despite this. Nobody forgot anything, because what Perturabo did was pick up his brothers slack and actually win under these extremely lopsided conditions. That's really not that amazing. What Pert wanted was to defeat Dorn fair and square to prove he was the best. What he got was Dorn defending through martial ability, and Pert winning with daemons and warp magic. Pert got nothing he wanted here.
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As a fists player to the point where my HEMA longsword has a yellow grip, and I wear a Rogal Dorn T-shirt underneath my fencing jacket, I am HERE for this video.
That's awesome
As a fellow longswordsman i respect the hell out of that
Does it have a black blade out of respect for Sigismund?
Same
My Man, you are doing it right!
Dorn battling Fulgrim was legendary and then being immediately followed up by Dorn and Sigismund absolutely laying waste to the champions of the Emperor's Children was epic beyond reproach.
My favourite Primarch subjectively objectively
Dorn's will and sense of duty was so absolute that the Chaos Gods didn't even bother trying to corrupt him
Khorne tried tempting him with the thing he always wanted, to just to let go of all responsibility and leadership and become a simple warrior.
Khorne put him in an endless desert for *several centuries* to try and break him.
And Dorne proceeded to provide a lecture on ethics and restraint in warfare because blood is NEVER just for blood and why you fight is the most important factor until Khorne essentially gave up and let him go.
@danielmouatt5570 that's kind of my argument in Cthulhu settings like Delta Green. If we are ultimately doomed and our choices don't matter, then our choices are the ONLY thing that matter.
Dude held off hell.
Glad to see this pop up right as I'm painting up the man himself for a game this Saturday. I think that the strongest argument for why Dorn is the best primarch isn't that he did something that nobody else could do, but that he did something that nobody else WOULD do. His skill in defense is less about his (admittedly very formidable) tactical and strategic skill and more that he and his legion were uniquely willing to suborn their will to the Emperor's. They care nothing for honor, admiration, glory, or any other personal gain. Every other primarch, even those most loyal, showed that the Emperor and humanity came second to their own designs. Only Rogal would sit out the entire Heresy with his legion, biding their time and their strength until it mattered most. Only Rogal would watch his brothers earn glory after glory while he sat in a fortress and watched data feeds. Only Rogal would reject the temptation to seek an alternative or easy victory and instead hold the Throneworld at all costs. Only Rogal would do all this while stifling his urge to fight and never giving in to the bitterness and hatred that saw Perturabo betray the Imperium. The Emperor knew this and knew that there could be no other primarch and legion trusted to that task. In fact, this may well have been exactly why Dorn was created. The primarchs are demigods created to defy reality and achieve the impossible, yet Dorn alone could and would bury those instincts and fight the war that the way that the Emperor required, no matter the cost and no matter the personal strain.
A lot is made of the Iron Cage, but that was really just Dorn allowing himself the freedom that every other primarch had exercised throughout the entire war - who else hadn't thrown themselves and their legion into insane situations just to take the fight to the enemy? The Khan abandoned the walls to fight the way he and his legion wanted; Russ abandoned Terra and Guilliman even left the Imperium behind when he thought that it was lost. The fact that Dorn held himself, his legion, and the Imperium together throughout the entire Heresy and only surrendered to his primarch instincts after there was nothing left to defend shows his character. He didn't choose his role and his duty, he was just the only man willing to perform it.
Amen, brother! ✊
That's beautiful man
That's beautiful man
Well said.
And lets not forget that he stood strong against the blood god for eons
That slingshot maneuver he pulled off with the Phalanx around the Sol System before defeating Alpharius at Pluto was just incredible.
....And let's not forget Dorn's massive chainsword.
*ROGAL DORN'S COLOSSAL CHAINBLADE*
@@hugotheimpecileoneTo weighty for any but an elite sister hood
I think it was called storms teeth 🤔
Isn't it like 12 feet long lol, I love it x)
If cloud ff7 had a 40k wpn dorns sword it is
There are only 3 Legions that matter for me,
Blood Angels, Imperial Fists and White Scars.
The true loyalists and defenders of humanity
✊🩸⚡️
This guy right here! I built a force of all three of them in Legio to work together for this very reason.
"Yes" - Rogal Dorn
"no" - Rogal Dorn
Dorn absolutely got the best development through heresy and especially Siege of Terra novels. Dude just came off as an absolute boss and powerhouse. Came across as an absolute monster as both a tactician and fighter in Saturnine.
I’m on Saturnine now
Backhanding kharn into a terminator squad and basically telling him to play in his own league was hilarious.
Rogal Dorn is always willing to lend a hand.
The amount of weight and pressure on Rogal during the Siege is incredible.
In regards to the fight with Fulgrim, if Fulgrim thought he could kill Rogal, he would have stayed. How could he resist the pleasure of killing another brother? Fulgrim left because he knew better. Rogal spent his entire time after the heresy began no doubt strategizing how to beat every single one of his brothers. He knew their weakness and strength compared to his and formulated strategies to overcome every single one of them. He is unrelentingly thorough, stoic in his duties, and loyal until the end of time. His test by khorne proved this, Rogal will never quit, never falter, and never submit to defeat as long as he lives. TO THE PRAETORIAN OF TERRA! FOR THE EMPEROR!
Techinally Dorn is the greatest, can you imagine anyone else protecting Terra?
To quote Dorn himself.
No.
Yes perturabo, the very same Primarch that broke through Rogal’s defenses
I still imagine what would happen if Dorn and Perty got along and the former stayed loyal. So much of fortifying!
@@mahamedbarry3671to no avail.. an achievement in failure is no achievement
More so against 9 Other PRIMARCHS Twisted and enhanced by Chaos in war for 7 Years ALIONE !
Valrak secretly taking over the channel confirmed.
Don’t forget about The Khan! He was a virtual mystery at the start of the Heresy novels but by the end he is many peoples new favourite
He has his own video...
Rogal really sneaks up on you. When I first saw Rogal's name on this video, without hesitation, I thought, hmmm.......yeah, Rogal. Didn't think that when I saw Angron.
Normally I would think someone like this is boring yet the authors made him one of the most badass characters. So singular-minded, especially after EatD 3 when he overcomes Khorne
Wouldn't be surprised if Tzeentch put Khorne up to it knowing it would never work.
I like that, lol@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755
You’ve done Rogal justice with this video my friend. Nobody has claim to being the greatest of the sons more than Dorn. Fantastic video.
Dorn has become my favorite primarch straight from the very first HH book, when he had conversation with Loken.
The Emperor needed someone to be the last line of defense against the Archenemy, and he chose Rogal Dorn. All that needs said.
I can't wait till Dorn and The Lion met again and their compare they awesome luxurious mustaches.
Primarch-Progenitor, to your glory and the glory of Him on Earth!
The Keshig have entered the chat.
*rev's bikes*
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Because Dorn didn't just build that wall...
Dorn also defeats Khorne by reciting the Geneva Conventions
I thought dorn was gonna crack. I was so relieved at that part.
Glad to see that you finally have given up on the Wolf King and realize that 30k era Dorn is the best Primarch.
I like out of all the primarchs, Rogal Dorn's super ability is being normal. Like he's so normal his mere presence calms the warp. I wish I had 1% of that kind of fortitude.
"There is no such sauce product."
-Rogal Dorn
I was worried about you the last few uploads, you seemed to have gone utterly insane. Glad to see you’ve come to your senses :)
I just do my job. Duty is its own reward.
that wasn't a tear, Rogal got something in his eye
I don't like his character and that he's quick to judge others (almost killed Garro instead of at least thinking about potential betrayal of Horus). Still he's solid guy. Loyal and putting his duty above his feelings and personal gains.
He’s the greatest, how can anyone say otherwise?
Jaghatai got a ton of fleshing out too!
The scars have some great characters. The events at Dark Glass were amazing.
He has his own video...
I loved all the development he got in the HH series. I really hope they do a Scouring series so we can watch him go on his roaring rampage of revenge.
I love rogal dorn and the imperial fists. It’s just a shame they seemed to lose all personality after the heresy.
40K imperial fists seem a bit meh. It’s almost like the black Templars are the main faction for the sons of dorn.
Because, let’s be real here, he just is. Ave Praetorian
The emotional damage Rogal did to Fulgrim is Incalculable.
Whether you are a RD/IF fan or not, Dorn is arguably the greatest Primarch throughout the Heresy. He wasn't just defending Terra against traitor legions, but endless hordes of Warp Entities...Terra itself was falling into the Warp. The fact he held out as long as he did. I always wondered how would things have ended had the Ultramarines reached Terra before the boarding of the Vengeful Spirit.
Top reasons why Dorn was the praetorian of Terra*.
1. Absolute loyalty without hesitation or greed.
2. His actual ability in defence being his specialty
3. He was capable of not being involved, humanity was meant to be lead by Humans not Demi gods. Would Gilliman try and force his will on Terror like he does Ultrama, yes he would. Perturabo even though he grew up on Olympia was still fragile to insults and snubs, something that would be common on Terra.
Terra. Its Terra.
DORN ITSELF, IS THE LAST WALL OF THE IMPERIUM. HAIL PRAETORIAN OF TERRA!!
1:24, taht ´´fuuffffh´´ i felt it
Finally he gets the right one
🟡
The Emperor with valor fought the Dark Gods with his faith, conquering within himself the last pure light that still shone in the Warp, becoming in fact the devout and just God of Humanity.
How does the Emperor, during the Council of Nikea, convince his sons of the importance of Librarians?
Using as example Sanguinius and Lorgar Aurelian!
Plus, to help Leman Russ and Corvus Corax understand.
Since the Emperor is the God of Humanity, thanks to Lorgar Aurelian all of Colchis is freed and purified from the cult of Chaos (thanks to his colchisian crusaders led by the true and pious Erebus: Truth Bearers).
Lorgar Aurelian is the one who then founds the Ecclesiarchy with his Crusader Order: the Frateris Militaris.
Lorgar Aurelian is like Ascalon Troyes, equal to Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius!
(Illuminarum is not a maul but a mace)
If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox.
And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers).
(Byzantine Crusader type)
Primarch Ulysses II Legion Iron Snakes Homeworld Ithaka; Primarch Casmero XI Legion Silver Skulls Homeworld Varsavia.
The Emperor uses the Traitors's Gene Seed to recreate the fallen Legions:
The new III Legion are the Red Scorpions (Primarch Devortus Gault, Homeworld Zaebus), the new IV Legion are the Minotaurs (Primarch Theseus, Homeworld Artherion), the new VIII Legion are the Black Dragons (Primarch Murad Agha, Homeworld Burso), the new XIV Legion are the Doom Eagles (Primarch Severin, Homeworld Cailleach), the new XV Legion are the Blood Ravens (Primarch Mikael Corveda, Homeworld Aurelia), the new XVI Legion are the Scythes of the Emperor (Primarch Kaius Krav, Homeworld Sotha), the new XX Legion are the Mortifactors (Primarch Arpaza, Homeworld Posul).
Always wondered what a Perturabo made Imperial Palace would have looked like. I imagine it would have been the Iron Cage on steroids. The Emperor could have simply taken both of them to Terra and the Sol system would have been truly impenetrable, making them work together to build something would also have healed some fairly deep resentment and loathing on both sides.
You just know Valrak is watching this with a box of tissues ;)
Nah he is planning to write a fourth page long critique of this video
;P
10:11 I cant wait either praetorian Rho!!!
FOR DORN!! FOR THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!
You really should've started this series with Rogal and just made it 1 video. He is the greatest, no other videos were required.
You gona summon someone here
The Saterdine gate was brilliant ha ha Abadon
Ol' Stick in the Mud. I identify with him on a deeply spiritual level.
And with that, the series now ends with the correct choice.
Love Dorn. Not my personal favorite but he is definitely top tier.
Thanks for this video 📹 🙌
Rogal Dorn gets infinite glory points just for humiliating the soul out of Fulgrim. With a reverse uno card to boot.
I like Dorn and Fulgrims duel. 2 opposite styles, the show boat pretty boy vs the no BS, brutally effecant Dorn.
Dorn was one of the primarchs who didn't live for the fight and I believe that's why the Emperor trusted him. Dorn fought so that one day he could stop, the same can't be said for all of his brothers especially the ones whose talents are only really useful during war.
Gulliman said it good the dauntless few are all my favorite primarchs aswell as Gulliman. 1. Dorn 2. Russ 3. Sanguinius and gulliman tied. 4. Ferrus
i find rogal dorn to be one of the most underdeveloped primarchs alongside vulkan
GET OUTTA HERE VALRAK!! This is Wolf Lord Rho's hunting grounds!!
The only thing Valrak loves more than some Dorn is GW itself 😂
The stubbornness of dadorn saved all.
I love Rogal Dorn and the Fists. The other legions are very glorious, very this, very that. The fact remains the Fists and Dorn were the ones who held Terra, alone, for years. They held the palace and they were the ones who never broke. It was only in the Iron Cage that they and Dorn finally snapped. I still think that, if the Ultramarines had not come, the Fists would have annihilated the Iron Warriors. Rogal would have died with his sword in Perturabo's neck. The last Imperial Fist would die on a hill of gunmetal.
FOR DORN AND HIM ON EARTH!
U accidentally sold me on Sanguinius even more
Just thought of a good name for an IF Captain: Vauban.
I like Dorn a LOT
I feel there is a little tragedy in Rogal Dorn. He is how all the primarchs could have been if handled properly by the Emperor and their peers. He got the right recognition for his achievements, was built with the right personality, and was assigned less than his fair share of nasty missions. How could Konrad have turned out if put under the oversight of Magnus rather than Vulkan to learn the truth of his sight? What about if Mortarion or Angron had been given more support from the Emperor upon their discovery? Another Rogal Dorn, probably not, but also probably remain loyal.
Waiting for my man the lion
Why i cant stop see Dorn as the doom slayer/doomguy?😅😅
But then he kinda throws it away in the scouring. His blunder, whether through rage or just carelessness, cost him his life in scenario that he arguably should have won.
Bro ain’t dead
He did it to prevent civil war with rowboat. Throwing his legion away in the cage meant he didn't have to admit girlyman was right and concede. He simply took his legion out of the equation. Smart? No, but it was very Rogal, he didn't admit defeat and chose masochism.
My glorious hawk boi is obviously 1
Where be the glorious 'STACHE!
Objectively the best Primarch. Subjectively the best Primarch. By litetally any way it is possible to measure or judge, Rogal Dorn is the best of the best of the best.
Yes.
Jagatai didn't die to Mortarian
So Rogal dorm is like same to heimdall in Norse mythology
Do you think Perturabo would have turned traitor if he was chosen over Rogal to fortify the Imperial Palace?
It was always a matter of time with Pert. His psychology just wasn't stable enough to not continue to be self doubting and neurotic. Once the crusade was far enough along he was too far gone to ever return.
I would say that it would be very unlikely, it may have delayed it enough that instead of joining Horus he and his legion would instead opt to go their own way instead of picking a side. The guy was just too maladjusted.
YES
Didn't purterabo get fed up and leave, dorn did well though
Dorn was not above lending a hand.
Ahhh, finally. The correct answer
Lionel still is a suspected, doubted Primarch. I genuinely thought you were going to say the Khan.
Lionel is the worst.
I'm still at the start of the video I just have to say something.
Rogal Dorn is actually, one of the best candidates for best Primarch in just about every way, I'm not here to contest that.
But to say that it was throughout the Horus Heresy that, that was shown is simply not true.
He had next to no character development before the siege.
I knew more about Ferus Manus than Dorn before the siege.
I don't for a second believe you intended to deceive anyone with that, But I do feel that it is an important distinction to make for those who have not read all of the books.
Dorn's biggest problem is his death. He was killed by mooks. Not a greater demon, demon primarch, ork warlord, or necron tombking. Not even a named chaos space marine. Just some randos. It sucks because otherwise he's pretty rad.
He didn’t die. In 40k, if it’s not confirmed, they ain’t dead. Even Ferrus is coming back.
Not as great as my salami sandwich I'm eating rn.
Great, Valrak is going to be all over the comments section, now
Roboute Guilliman is the best!!
Rapebutto girlyman is the worst by far with his space bidet chapter of book bond toilet cleaners to the custodian assfartes. Thieft of what was Dorn seat.. of once golden is now named the porcelain throne for good reason to a guy whom almost started cival war.
What's the story when Rogaln found/discovered the hidden system of advanced hum s that were influenced by aliens? Rogal destroyed tuem after overcoming their stealth tech? Thx
That's in his Primarch novel
Other than my head canon being that Alex Jones is the lost 2nd primarch, and that I would follow that man into the Eye of Terror, regarding the official lore and unofficial non-head canon lore, Dorn is my favorite by quite a bit. If I had to be in a chapter, it would be the sons of Vulkan, but the Fists still take my respect to another level. A mobile, sentient, and very angry Great Wall of China that gets deployed in the way of almost every truly serious problem, its too cool, and Dorn is too commendable to not adore.
Rho... I believe Dorn's blueberry flavored brother has given his life TWICE for the Empire and the Emperor. While Dorn...lost a hand and then himself. Ol Robo brought lead ingots to the scale and Dorn brought a single feather he found on the way over.
Dorn is one of the few Primarchs who do deserve to be in the discussion. He might even deserve it.
But... nah, man. Dorn did NOT win against Perturabo. He might have eventually won, but Perturabo was driven from the field by the Traitors self-sabotage (including Perturabo's own nature, he's not a blameless victim here) before it was over. If Perturabo had been leading the siege in the final days and then had been unable to crack the defenses before the 13th showed up, it would be fair to say he lost to Dorn. That didn't happen, tho.
A forfeit counts as a loss in every sport I’m aware of.
It doesnt matter what happened in the background - did the Traitors kill Big E when thet had the chance? Yes or No.
And no "Long War 2 lets play!" Option. 😂
Them Choas guys keep saying that but kept losing for 10k years.
Perturabo quit. Dorn never quits.
Not only that, Dorn walked in to Perturabo’s own house where the Iron Warriors had EVERY advantage, and the Iron Warriors couldn’t defeat them. If Perturabo didn’t have the entire might of chaos on his side, he wouldn’t have even come close to breaching the palace.
It's hard to call it a win for Pert when the warp did all the heavy lifting. Every single major defeat at Terra was due to the planet sliding into the warp and daemons killing everyone. Pert never outplayed Dorn. Not one time. It's one of the reasons he left. He knew he would never get his fair win on Dorn at the siege and Mort and Fulgy were ruining his fun.
You have to ✋️ it to Rogal Dorn. No better HANDy man to build the defense of TERRA with a HANDful of marines. Chaos HANDED him a full FIST of force even with a win with one HAND tied behind his back militarily. In one HAND he defeated fulgrim while in the Other HAND alpharious. So lets give the man a HAND and with that standing 👏, by realizing this man had his HAND in all things that make him the greatest primarch.
. Because the primarch of the iron HANDS may have given his head, but rogal gave his fap HAND.😂
*I am fortifying this comment section*
-Rogal Dorn.
With Perturabo being my fav Primarch, I cannot vote on Dorn being the greatest. Call me bias.
Im on book 21 of the HH series, and i gotta be honest.... Dorn absolutely sucks so far. He's always completely unreasonable and seems like he's about to have a tantrum and attack anyone he's speaking to.
Bout time, you got to dorn.. i know why, though.. because.. it makes the most sense... since he actually is..lionel had half of his chapter fall to chaos, so nope, he aint the best dorn.. are others just as great as you...."No"
You forget that Perturabo not only cracked open the defences of the palace, but left the battle near the end as he was wounded and dying as a result of Fulgrim’s treachery. Not to mention the Iron Cage
You mean, Perturabo who literally had the entire might of Chaos, it’s daemons, and 6 traitor legions. Yeah, SOOO impressive 😂
He left because he knew he couldn’t do more than he already did, the loyalists were throwing back the traitors everywhere, and while the palace was breached by ANGRON, NOT perty, he decided that continuing would be a waste, not because he had to leave. He chose to. He quit. Dorn never quits.
And it’s hilarious you bring up the Iron Cage, the fists were beat to shit after the Siege of Terra, and still willingly walked into a trap where the Iron Warriors had EVERY advantage imaginable, and all they could manage was a stalemate. Perty once again, could not commit, just like he couldn’t commit on Terra.
Imagine challenging an enemy to come to your home turf where you have the advantage, and then proceed to get your ass handed to you. Pathetic.
Yeah if you actually read the books it wasn't even Pert. One of his biggest plays ended in nearly getting Abadon killed by an ambush by Dorn. The thing that broke the palace was mountain sized daemons, Angron being completely and utterly unstoppable and just offing Titans like toys, The strongest Titan Legion outnumbering the defenders by several times over, massive numbers advantage, magic, and orbital and aerial superiority. Dorn managed to last 3 times longer than Pert predicted despite this. Nobody forgot anything, because what Perturabo did was pick up his brothers slack and actually win under these extremely lopsided conditions. That's really not that amazing. What Pert wanted was to defeat Dorn fair and square to prove he was the best. What he got was Dorn defending through martial ability, and Pert winning with daemons and warp magic. Pert got nothing he wanted here.