WHY LORGAR IS THE GREATEST PRIMARCH!
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Hey everyone Wolf Lord Rho here! Today we continue our series making a case for each and every Primarch being the greatest! With Lorgar, Primarch of the Word Bearers!
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He does certainly have the strongest lasting legacy out of most of his brothers.
i would even argue that lorgar's legacy surpassed even the emperor's at least when it comes to the recorded history of humanity that is.
"Rejoice, for I bring glorious news... God walks among us"
-The first words of the Lectitio Divinitatus
Even though I know it's part of the series, the title of this one made me want to report to my local Inquisitor.
If I could have saved just one, it would have been Lorgar - Malcador
Lorgar: becomes loyalist
Guiliman and Lorgar somehow getting along and making points
Big E: “reminds me of the times me and Mal used to have…”
🐦⬛ "FIGHT ME LORGAR!!!" -Corax
He may run away again like he did against Konrad 😂
You mean Corax, the idiot who wants to fight his brother because he has the gall to correctly claim that the Emperor is using them as pawns to godhood? 😂
Corax could win a fistfight, but he is blind to the truth.
My favorite Primark, and legion Word Bears. Love their lore and Anthony Reynolds captured them beautifully in his dark apostle trilogy!
Ah yes, the Word Bears. And their insignium is a grizzly reading a book.
@@Matihood1That insignium was created by Bearebus, I think.
Word Bearers always the best, brother of the Word 📖🔥😁
The Primarch who fought the battle of any of his brothers never fought, the battle for the heart and mind of mannkind.
Feels gay
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One of my favorite parts of the First Heretic is when Chaos is showing Baby Lorgar in the warp, visibly uncomfortable because he spent already too much time there. Like Chaos was speaking to him more than any other Even in his birthing pod.
Helps explain why he just knew there was something more.
Everyone lost in the Horus Heresy.
Everyone except Lorgar, he won.
The emperor's conflict with lorger is the biggest irony.
All he had to do was distinguish worship from simple faith
"Hehehe...I'll hear you out". One of those videos in the series
All your points are valid. Plus: He was brave enough to change his beliefs to conform to reality, rather than blindly following the path laid out before him. He could doubt, he could love, he fought when needed but prefered peace when possible. He was kind and compassionate; a good man all around.
Clearly the greatest!
Lorgar: ‘One wonders if you are capable of making anything that creates, rather than destroys.’
Ferrus ‘One wonders if you are capable of creating anything worthwhile at all.’
Ironic that Lorgar's creation is the only thing holding the imperium together
Literally 5 seconds after Ferrus dies
Everyone: Ferrus Who? 😂
Lorgar goes on to create 2 of the dominant religions of the Galaxy. Ferrus died without contributing to the war effort
@@giorgigogolashvili3097 Agreed about Ferrus, but Lorgar created nothing but 10k years of misery.
Edit: I also posted Kurzes view on Lorgar, but YT didn't think it was appropriate 😂
While it's a sick burn, it also demonstrates how Ferrus was thick headed
The hate Lorgar gets is unreal for no valid reason. Now the people who hate him usually have a fetish for the Black Templars who are basically loyalist Word Bearers without the intelligence or charisma of the Word Bearers. Lorgar wasn't the best fighter, who cares? He went 1v1 against the strongest Bloodthirster and at the end chose to give the demon a sermon. How awesome is that?
People tend to forget that when Lorgar chose to conquer worlds, the speed at which he did it wasn't matched even by the World Eaters. By Kharn's own words "Even outnumbered they would bleed us"
"oh but he started the Horus heresy and turned to Chaos" As well he should. For his unquestioning loyalty and impecable results he was punished and humiliated. The Emperor was a cold heartless fool playing favorites with unstable demigods. Oh you took planets slowly, sure Emperor, its way better to skin people alive and broadcast their screams across the planet or to devestate it with orbital bombardment and bolter fire to bring it into compliance or butcher a planet within 31 hours than to take your time and actually enlighten the people and have them join because they want to. Even today the worlds Lorgar took remain loyal.
The most powerful weapon in 40K is faith. And in spite of everything the imperium survives not because of the absent primarchs, but because of Lorgar's word. Also Atheism is literal cringe. "I will ward literal demons off with reason and logic and lie to my people and my sons" The Emperor was an absolute idiot.
Lorgar to the end.
🫡🫡✊✊ Lorgar is the greatest.
What use is godlike power and legions of super soldiers if you are not dedicated to TRUTH above all? Devotion to, and service to falsehood is the greatest of tragedies. Truth first. Brutish power second. Only then can brute power be wielded properly. And the truths that Lorgar knew and told about faith and humanity have ironically been the fiber that has kept the Imperium together for the last 10,000 years. Showing how strong Lorgars weapon of choice truly is.
Lorgar's only crime was having a Dad who spent to much time on reddit
@@PaulieWalnuts1964 Exactly
Agree, but in defense of the Emperor lying about the immaterium, we don't know what would happen, there are rumors that the God-Emperor and the Emperor himself are no longer the same entity, since he sees the future he must have some reason related to this, so he lied hoping that nothing would go wrong, after all he was in a hurry to conquer the galaxy for a reason, perhaps he was even fighting his own supposed destiny of becoming the Dark King, we don't really know. However, if he kept Lorgar by his side, faith in the Imperium would be much more strong, smart, less corrupt and kind. Lorgar defeated the proto-chaos cults of every planet he conquered, starting with his homeworld, often with theological victories as he was an brilliant writer and speaker. He was 100% Hearts and Minds and the Emperor failed to make use of him, a son that had his own face, his herald as Russ said it once.
@@daviokamoto2143 Pretty much yes, i honestly think its just lazy writing. Take Angron for example, when the Emperor met him and Angron asked why he didn't come down from his throne and help him, the Emperor just said "yeah that's tragic but we don't have the time, now shut up and do as you're told"
Now my question is, what do they not have time for exactly? You mean to tell me he can force an entire legion of space marines to kneel with his thoughts alone and he can't just decimate an army of regular humans in minutes? F off.
Besides, he spent a whole lot of time talking to his other more favorite sons when he first met them, so that whole "no time" thing, yeah out the window.
If we take the lore for what it is, the Emperor was mostly stupid.
Aaaaand Wolf Lord Rho falls to Chaos.
Alright, My Guy. I haven’t watched yet, but you gonna have to back that thumbnail up! Lorgar?!?
Edit: I see. It’s a series. I been gone too long, Old Boy! Good to be back!
Edit Edit: Wow. You DID back it up. Great stuff!
Its a pretty cool series. Fresh look at these brothers
Thank you so much for talking about my gene-father! awesome video!
The fact Corax still has not gotten his video and this bastard did is astounding.
Although he did save the imperium with his book.
Why does it matter who goes before who?
Who?
"The Imperial Truth" demanded that he punish Monarchia. Whether he was right or not, in his mind this was the greatest risk to his plan thus far. To throw his gamble completely out the window.
It was also an incredibly badass scene that I'll never forget. When Lorgar is saying, "No, no .." like he can prevent whats about to happen.
You make a really interesting and compelling case for Lorgar here. Well done
Trouble is with everything Lorgar did it was countered by everything Lorgar did.
It was fking erebus.
All he wanted was the truth.
That had to be a really tough one to do....
Well done
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Yes, my lord Inquisitor, that's him. He has been spouting heresy again, this time even worse than last time.
You say there are greater and lesser heresy!??!?!!? HERESY!!!!!!
If Emps had told Lorgar the truth about Chaos, and brought Lorgar in on the plan to DENY them worship... man. Him and Magnus, working together to deny Chaos as much power from Humanity as possible...
But c'est Warhammer 40k - without the second worst possible paths being taken by the most powerful people at the time, there is no setting.
Yep. What could have been, what might have been, it does intrigue me
Lorgar has unequivocally proven to everyone that he is way too stupid to be told anything
The biggest mistake the Emperor made was not making the Lion Warmaster.
Hear me out. Horus felt overwhelmed by the crushing bureaucracy and deluge of requests and he tried to meet them all and be a statesman about it. The Lion wouldn't have put up with that bullshit for a second and would have been just as he was as Grand Master of the Order back on Caliban, uncompromising and direct instead of trying to please everyone like Horus did. Put Dorn in charge of the Imperial Senate and Guiliman in charge of the Administratum and Sanguinius as the poster boy and something of a middle man for the Lion and everyone else and it would have worked out fine.
But what if the emperor luck Horus cos he knew the warmaster would turn,
Always great to see other people agreeing, the false emperor really did have it coming.
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Since the Emperor is the God of Humanity, thanks to Lorgar Aurelian all of Colchis is freed and purified from the cult of Chaos (thanks to his colchisian crusaders led by the true and pious Erebus: Truth Bearers).
Lorgar Aurelian is the one who then founds the Ecclesiarchy with his Crusader Order: the Frateris Militaris.
Lorgar Aurelian is like Ascalon Troyes, equal to Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius!
(Illuminarum is not a maul but a mace)
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If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox.
And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers).
(Byzantine Crusader type)
Lorgar to me is the most interesting primarchs of them all.
Does make you wonder how many Shrine worlds were Word Bearer compliances
As much as I absolutely hate Lorgar, there actually is a really good argument that he might have been the “greatest”. Everything he ever preached has come to pass, so many of the terms he used, the way he set up the Legion, these are all standard issue in the 41st millennium. The Anchorite even helped shaped the Ecclesiarchy over the millennium. The irony of the entire setting is so utterly astounding to me and it’s wild.
Because he is a loyal 6 month old Kitten at my house.
You named your kitten after Lorgar? Lorgar of all people, Lorgar?
@@EmperorofMankindStuckOnAThrone I have another Named Conrad Kurze, Magnus the Orange is the Problem and it is his fault. Kurzes little Brother is Jago Sevatar,Abaddon the Harmless is their Uncle. Conrad also had a Uncle Fulgrim.
@@EmperorofMankindStuckOnAThrone Kurze is a Violent Sociocat btw,but he loves the Emperor of Catkind.
@@verilyveronica8430 Just take my name at this point
@@verilyveronica8430 That's actually pretty cool TBH.
Another banger lol if it was just Big E and Lorgar, he could have truly taken over the galaxy if he just let his son preach. Obviously that wasnt his goal but in terms of overall greatness Lorgar has a lot of potential to be one of the best, and him not being a good warrior amongst his brothers was the nerf that kept him in check. If he can break up a fight between Russ and Magnus and convince Angron to help him, he would have been able to convince Horus's head to grow hair if they all respected him equally.
Also: I now think The 4 powers spared Lorgar by causiny him to fail and his attempt to overthrow Horus and be exiled. Thats why he gets to be a demon prince of chaos undevided even though he wasnt on terra and has been sitting away for thousands of years. Even though he couldnt stop Corvus, he is still extremely important to all 4 gods because they have no problem discarding people especially ones that arent fueling them
The Emperor and Malcador called Largar, "The Chosen One."
You should collab with lorecrimes! I love you rho! You and majorkill got me into 40k
Wow... youve just convinced me!
He undoubtedly had the greatest influence over at least 7 of his brothers' futures. Sadly that influence was chaos worship.
I think this is where the big g f### up and i love the emperor
Lorgar won where all others lost. That fact alone proves he is the greatest. He won the argument over the Emperor’s divinity. He won the argument over the worship of the Dark Gods. He won the Heresy itself. The Emperor ended up crippled. Horus ended up dead. Lorgar ended up Immortal. He won. It’s that simple.
Till Big E sword hits him. 😂
@@Subject_Keter hasn't happened yet 🤷♂
He ended up hiding in his room for 10 millennia shitting his pants every time he hears bird noises
@@milankostic2571 The man who wins a war gets to live in peace for a time. Lorgar, as a man of faith, spent that time isolated for prayer and contemplation. That's just more proof of his victory.
@@milankostic2571Gonna have to be the “well acshully 🤓” guy here and tell you that’s meme lore. The latest lore we have of Lorgar is that he’s been seen leading a host of Word Bearers on the fringes of Imperial Space. So considering the timeline it means he’s out and about and Corax hasn’t been seen or heard of for like 5 or 7 thousand years.
More interesting is that in one book the WB mention that Lorgar spent all that time in his tower learning Enuncia, if he knows that then he’s mega powerful indeed
hmm... 11:19? I thought this video would have been shorter, considering the title.
Lorgar sends Marduk to look outside...
"is he still there? Look in the trees he can take the form of a Raven then change in to himself and kill everyone so for not the emperors sake check the trees my son"
Marduk: "er yeah he's just stood right at the door"
Lorgar: "well shoot him then, you have your weapons do you not?"
Marduk: "yeah, about that. He now has all my weapons"
Lorgar: "Shit"
Canon.
Despite the Traitor Primarchs basically being "reset mf posthaste" I think Lorgar could of did the best with his ailments.
But then again i feel like the only person who was able to cut into Big E with his words was Uriah. His arguements where the only ones Big E couldnt counter where like.. the others Big E had around him basically only argue like Kids.
I thonk Uriah could of fixed Lorgar but Uriah is probably somewhere in the warp, not enjoying what happened but sure as hell "Told you"
Lorgar's story could have been one of greatness. If the Emporer had been less ambitious and given the Crusade fleets orders to only secure worlds with humans on. Lorgar could have secured these worlds properly for the Emporer! Instead, we get Lorgar with daddy issues! I wonder what would have happened if, instead of Guilliman, the Emporer had sent a lone Horus with the Emporers Children as escort. Horus and Fulgrim would have bought Lorgar around, and the Emporers Children would train up the Word Bearers! Alas, a loss of untold proportions for the Emporer. Thank you for your time on this matter.
*Emprah.
Most primarchs have daddy issues, the loyal ones more so than traitors. The graffiti legions and primarchs are fast more interesting to read/ learn about imo
Yeah, he is the greatest - he set up the two main religions of the setting. Still hate him though.
This.
I don't think that would be a counter to chaos, only a conversion from one chaos to another. The emporer probably new that path lead to the dark king.
Greatest empire influence, worst military influence.
I mean, he won the Horus Heresy 🤷🏼♂️
Finally, the only video that matters on the subject! :)))
Oh boy...
Dorn next please
Lorgar beat an Avatar of Khaine guys, he's top tier OP!!
Him and everything short of a sick, drunken kitten have beaten that guy. You may as well call it an avatar of Worf.
Lorgar was right. Not morally but factually. For all his prescience, Tha Emprah couldn’t see that faith was a weapon that couldn’t be denied.
That said; Corax, do this mug in!
Lorgar just comes across as a typical brat. He was scolded and decided to rebel as a result. If he’d stuck true to his beliefs and proved the Emperor wrong then I would agree that he would be the greatest
A Primark designed to be the voice of the Emperor, a fanatical believer of the Emperor's truth. Scattered along with his brothers to a broken universe, raised on a planet of religious fanatics his mind was fractured and twisted as a child. The result was a fanatical religious zealot for a Primark.
He is responsible for Erebrus. Disqualified. End video.
no
I've always thought that Lorgar was was the ONLY one in the entire setting who was right all along.
Negative; there are no Gods, just ask Fabulous Bill.
Yep, none of the entities created life, any specific race, or the most importantly, the universe. They are "gods" in the most primitive and vauge sense, like the Rulers of ancient Egypt.
He was right until he was wrong
Imo there is really no argument for Lorgar he was rotten from the start.
Said no one, ever.
And look at me mum
Squatting pissed in a tube-
hole at Tottenham Court Road
I just come out of The Ship
Talking to the most
Blonde I ever met
Shouting
Lorgar Lorgar Lorgar Lorgar
Shouting
Lorgar Lorgar Lorgar Lorgar
In a universe of losers, Lorgar won. I hate the man, but I'll admit that.
hes the greatest primarch for the current imperium😊
Lorgar the greatest Primarch?
The Emperor: All you have done in the Great Crusade is for naught. While all others succeed and bring prosperity to the Imperium, you alone have failed me.
Im not sure that lorgar was the ultimate tool against chaos. Indeed he makes the new world worship the emperor and by so protecting them from worshipping chaos THO the worship was a threat in itself and i think the emperor knew it. Look at the fact that the eldars now considers him as a god because a entire species think he is, mankind elevate him to godhood and by so create a god similar to the chaotic ones.
If the gret crusade was one against the warp then it was one against the gods and by so against a god emperor
Lorgar won the Heresy.
Heresy
Why Ahriman is the Greatest space marine
They united the people...into a cult
My case is he's the worst.
Lorgar is the 40k version of the 'it's a prank' streamers. Talks the talk a lot but folds like a cheap suit the moment he has to walk the walk.
You know how to make a title thats clickworthy i give you thay
Lorgar did everything wrong.
the title of this offends me lorgar was a shmuch but it do not anger me like saying Erabus is the greatest non primarch
His spirit was too easily broken and he ran away like a petulant child
Lorgar truly is the greatest, he will always be my favorite. I keep hope he will one day be redeemed (he won't)
No
I know you had to do this video as part of the series but lets be honest here, we all know he isnt
All of your points ignore the fact that Lorgar was misguided.
There are no Gods.
The Emperors plan to starve the warp entities into the history books was a way better solution than clinging to faith and superstition.
Lorgar destroyed everything.
Definitely the most influential Primarch, but that doesn't mean he was the greatest.
Finally the real one!
In many ways, Lorgar could be said to be the only one to "win" the Horus Heresy.
Proof that, much like "it is possible to make no mistakes and still lose", it is possible to be a loser and still win.
Ha ha ha, just no.
The Emperor had the "best anti-chaos tool"...? Lorgar represented the best source of chaos corruption. The Emperor arguably made three mistakes, and the greatest was letting lorgar live.
Considering how good he is at convincing/converting people, just imagine if he went around telling the imperial truth and denying Chaos supporters
@@Mortarion-xt9wp That was probably what the Emperor had planned for him, but he kept telling everyone the Emperor was a god. Which was the opposite. And big E did mention this to him more than once!
@@theemissary1313Except he was a god, even more so now. Before he was a god in the most practical sense, see, his words were decrees that were to be followed religiously, immeasurable power, vision of salvation for all humanity etc. And now he is totally a god. If you pay attention, there is a good parallel with Jesus, but in reverse, as the Emperor was a great man that became a metaphysical god through a sacrifice to save mankind.
Jesus Lorgar is the worst primarch and trying to defend him as the greatest. I thought saying Angron was the greatest was madness but Lorgar is something else entirely.
This is just the series. He isn't serious about defending this guy. (I think?)
He will make eighteen videos about every Primark and doing his best to paint them as the greatest
Except Lorgar was right all along, shame his god was a silly guy
@Mortarion-xt9wp I know I've watched all of them so far.
He's one of the best, most well written and nuanced characters.
Definitely not.
First! But not the greatest.
Rho, seriously!! He is a kiddo fiddling woo wooo!!
Bad meme.
found the edgy atheist
My favorite.
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