Indian should make another model Sport Chief with an audio fairing to go after the enthusiasm of the Low Rider St. and do it right quick. They addressed the shortcomings of the Chief line this past year with the Sport Chief - now take it a step further as an option.
They copy everything else Harley does so I'm surprised they haven't. That's not a knock against them or anything, competition is a good thing and I'm glad there is another company out there offering premium cruisers with that traditional cruiser aesthetic (although I do have to laugh at the people that trash Harley yet are Indian fanboys).
I think it's smart. Everyone likes the LOOK of the HDs but not the price or performance. That's why they're doing so well with Indian as opposed to Victory. Victory bikes all looked weird. Indian bikes improve everything HD does but still have classic American looks.
Hey man great review! I’m a little biased to the Chief as I ride one and have worked through some of the quirks and have upgraded a few things, seat, stage 1 on the 111 platform; some 10” apes coming soon. I do ride in sport mode 100% of the time because I like the response- for Harley’s though- I honestly would love to build a shovel head chopper with a jockey shift. I think there is nothing that compares to a straight piped, wire wheeled chopper Anyway- keep up the great reviews and thank you-
Great review! One thing that should have been mentioned is the easy removable bags of the Harley. With a twist of a knob in about 5 secs they're off and you have a more sleeker ride for cruising around town.
I have a 2023 Lowrider ST. I put a forward controls kit on it, and it feels so much more comfortable. And it looks effin great with that kit. No complaints with this bike. Lots of power, torque and style. And has the ability to go touring. I love this bike!
I have the Super Chief and from the factory the bars are as low as they'll go. I adjusted them up quite a ways, and it made all the difference in the world.
I haven't actually pulled the trigger yet. But I'm a proud owner of a 2016 Ultra Limited at this writing. It has everything, including 200 pounds of weight I'm thinking I could do without. Not fond of the clamshell bags but I think I could get used to it. I'd miss my Ultra but like I said, I wouldn't miss it's weight. And it has the 103 in it where the ST has the 114 and I'm liking that. Ore and more. Great video.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the front forks on the Harley are Showa. They have been using them for years on all their motorcycles. I test rode the ST and I felt very crunched up on it. The bars were too low for my liking and I wasn't a fan of the handlebar clamp speedometer. Other than that I enjoyed the bike. When I rode the Indian Sport Chief I felt comfortable on it. I also rode one with the factory 6" optional riser height. I preferred the brakes on the Indian along with the speedo with built in GPS.
A lot of younger Harley riders were doing a lot of mods to their Dynas to make them like the old FXR. These newer STs are like a modern approach to the FXR. Seems like Harley is appealing to their customer base, just at a super premium price.
Thanks for the review. Even though they may be similar. I still think they are two different bikes. The LR ST to me, is that smaller RG style bike. Where I see the Sport Chief is a bike for someone who wants to throw it around. IMHO
I have test ridden the LRST twice now and it’s a great bike, full stop. I really like the ride command feature on the Sport Chief too though. It’s similar to what I have on my Sportster S and I dig it. It’s the LRST for me out of these two ultimately however and I am currently considering that and the base level Challenger I test rode this weekend for my final new bike choice. I really like both, I just need to determine what my riding priorities are. Thanks for the content. I have been looking for this comparison fir a bit. 👍🏾
@@paulf9653 I have now tried most of the baggers and I like the ride experience on the Street Glide and Challenger Darkhorse the most. I like the build quality and looks of the new 2023 Street Glide CVO the most overall but I would never spend that much on a motorcycle regardless of how much money I have. If that new CVO body style truly trickles down to the standard Street Glides that would be my choice. The Challenged is definitely a really nice bike too though.
@@urbanadventurer5 I do agree with you on the Build quality of the CVO and the crazy price. The challenger just handles so much better and more than equal power in my opinion. I do like to ride aggressively though. I can tell you this though, I have a first year 2020 Challenger DH and have needed the dealer one time in over 3 year. I had the power windshield replace under warranty. It's been a near perfect bike. Good luck with whatever you end up with though.
The whole point to the Sport Mode is to NOT have the feeling of sport mode all the time. Especially for those times when you're riding in the rain for instance. To argue that the Lowrider doesn't need sport mode because it feels like it has sport mode all the time is actually a detriment, not a plus.
I honestly can't get with modes. I mean I respect the technology and I can understand how some people would like it but you have an endless amount of mode in your throttle hand. In my opinion it's just more of an expense than anything, that's why I like my older bikes... I believe that both Harley and Indian should spend their time in research developing better high-speed stability, overall better suspension/handling and more responsive and dynamic engines.
I really like the Harley and the minimalistic tech. I know a lot of riders who don't like all the tech bullshit a lot of new bikes come with. I personally don't need the different ride modes, maps and weather. It's been my experience more tech more problems. That said, the INDIAN is a fantastic ride. Even though it has a little too much tech for me its just beautiful. In this particular case,it's tuff to decide which ride I would choose. Great review man.
You are HD lover, all your tests showed that.Sorry but this is honest opinion. I like HD too, but noone is paying to me for loving it. Lowrider ST is a mini bagger, Sport Chief is completely different type of motorcycle. HDis mainstream, Indian is for people who admire technology but have own opinion. Same like I have Kawasaki zx14r that is far away more powerful than Hayabusa gen3, but Hayabusa guys say that I don't understand things well, from their perspective almost 30 hp less difference power from rear wheel seems like a profit . So I am trying to start understand things different, though I don't yet
The ZX14 hasn't been changed at all in over 10 years... that's terrible. The Gen 3 Hayabusa is better in every category except power, and that's partly due to refinement of what the bike was designed to be.. a sport touring motorcycle. There's no reason the ZX14 should exist. It's ignored by Kawasaki because the H2SX has effectively replaced it. I personally passed on buying a ZX14 because it's so outdated, and that's sad because it's actually a very comfortable motorcycle with lots to like.
I couldn't afford either but I did ride a demo day Lowrider ST a week or so back and if I had the scratch for a new bike that would definitely be the one.
Wrinkle black, the ST bags being uneven and not a top lid latch system is annoying but I prefer storage vs none. The gauge on the Indian is cool but I’d rather have pure style of the HD
But with that new inky dinky ridiculous display on the ST they are just being cheap, and stupid... Just like not all LED lighting, wtf... Harley lost my business to Indian...
Ive seen the sport chief and the only thing that holds me to buy it, is that windscreen... The wind screen and the screws are very poorly finished, especially on the inside. Or am I the only one who makes an issue of this?
I have a 23 ST, and I felt like you when I first saw the 2' Digital gauge on a Street Bob(?) I may or my not have exceeded the speed limit on that test ride because I couldn't se the gauge. However, after 7000+ miles on the ST, I am fine with it. I keep it on Tach and have the speedo, and that's all I need when I'm riding. I have been pleasantly surprised how well these 67 year old eyes can see this gauge.
Indian looks great from far away, but Indian cockpit is hideous. I like the FXLRST display. Clean. Minimalist. I love an analog tach but the clean look is for me.
It doesn't look like the test Sport Chief you drove didn't have the optional 10 inch high risers. That makes a ton of difference imo as far as arm position.
Ride position, vibrations, and throttle response are the key cruiser requirements at stock. I prefer the Indian's looks, but it sounds like the HD is the better stock cruiser. Thanks for the review, and thank you Tim for the bike loan.
I agree. I nearly bought the harley lowrider but i could not handle the high peg height. I have short legs and i can only think it is worse for others with average length legs. I will not buy a Polaris as had bad experiences in the past plus they are all new designed bikes.
I know you'll get more likes because you gave the Harley the win, but we all know the Indian is a more advanced, better equipped, and better priced bike than the Harley. You need to compare to the Lowrider S, so you don't ding the Indian for not having a fairing and bags, if you want to do a real comparison. The funny thing is, you can put bags and a bigger fairing on the Indian for much less then you'll spend on new suspension, LED lights, bigger brakes but you still will have that very outdated instrument display on the Harley LR.
You sound butthurt. Both bikes are good. It’s a matter of what features you want the most. Indians biggest problem right now is not having enough aftermarket support for options which pushes more people to go Harley.
I have nothing against Harley, and was going to buy a LR S. But I started looking at Indian and for about the same money, I could get the Indian Sport Chief with the upgrades I would want to do on the Harley right out of the box. The funny thing is, I've had a few Harley guys ride my bike and they really like it but the funny thing is, they still say they wouldn't buy one. That's the part I don't get. @@PrettyGoodShot
If you plan to use it as more than a bar hopper. The smooth power plant larger fuel tank and superior fairing & bags make the LRST the hands down choice. But I must say the torquey Thunderstoke with any aftermarket pipe easily make’s beautiful music. The M8 takes the right cam, and the right pipe, maybe some compression and an aftermarket tuner to slow the idle a bit just to get in the same music room. Advantage Thunderstroke stops there. The M8 4 valve heads are far superior. 125 HP Thunderstroke is best I’ve seen. 150 HP M8s are not unusual. Suspension & brakes are good on both so what you have left is preference as to looks.
Undecided between both. Price point indian, but that harley looks nice. And I didn't like the small digital screen on harley. I think I'm tipping over to st. Not sure any advice for anyone?
I think the Indian is better all around, including looks... I have the leather saddlebags on order, won't scratch like the hard bags on the ST and they look way cool..
I traded My 18 Indian Scout 60 for a 23 LR ST. I wanted another Indian but trading in Harley gave me a better deal. My INDIAN had things going wrong like rust in some of the bolts, my Tach went blank and was going to cost a lot to fix. INDIAN wasn't keen on my trade in and, I think the LRST is more of what I wanted for the price(protected from the wind, big fuel tank, lots of power, not 1000lbs) So far, I'm happy.
Overall for bike purpose I agree on paper the Harley maybe better. I prefer the looks of the Indian by some margin and the LCD screen goes with out saying. I personally found the Low rider ST riding position to aggressive for me when I tried it, so I bought a street glide special and modified it. But that's rider preference.
In my opinion the ST is the best bike made by Harley ever. It has it all, it is not heavy, it is good for enjoy twisties but also made for medium to long distances,but, but, if you change the fairing and the risers of the Sport Chief you get almost the same good bike for the same money.. I prefer the ST but by a rather subtle margin. Well done Indian
I really don't like that Polaris abandoned Victory instead of sticking with the brand and improving the bikes. So, I am very leary about Indian and when they are going to abandon that brand. I think the better comparison of the Sport Chief is the Low Rider S. I like the Low Rider ST, but I hate clamshell bags and bags that aren't symmetrical. And I would seriously want to look at standard size riser mounted gauges. So, I suspect to buy the Harley I would have to start with the Low Rider S and upgrade, rather than the ST and selling things on ebay as I upgraded. This brings me back to the Indian, but the Victory abandonment has me worried. Maybe I should just stick with the Road King, which has been my favorite for 15 years.
My 23 Low Rider s (not the ST) has 3 riding modes, sport, sport, and sport. All great modes. BTW the regular Low Rider has a much better gauge than the ST, one reason why I upgraded from the Street Bob (but of course not the only or biggest reason). Not a fan of the fixed fairing on the ST, much prefer my Memphis Shades system which allows swap-outs or just bare wind. Also simple to add hard or soft bags to the regular LR, Harley has 2 options on their site.
Better price on Indian, too much for st lowrider, even though I love the bike. I'm convinced I would go for the Indian, and I didn't like the display too small on the lowrider.
If you take off the stock air cleaner and replace it with anything on the Indian, it's a massive power and response upgrade. The stock cleaner starves the bike of oxygen. I noticed the Harley already had an upgraded air cleaner.
Definitely need to ride a chief sport with 10in risers and or a bigger rise bar, hard to compare a bike that has aftermarket accessories already to make it comfortable to a bone stock bike
The comparison should be the FXLRS not the ST Either way, The Indian is heavier, has less power and torque, ran the 1/4 1 second slower, has longer braking distances, and less lean angle and 1 gallon less fuel, less suspension travel then the Lowrider S, And is the same price point……. Go check out cycle worlds comparison video. I don’t see what’s better about the Indian other then it’s not a Harley for the contrarian folk.
Here in the EU, the low rider ST would cost me as much as the Low rider ST, so choice is very easy… i would rather have saddlebags and a functioning fairing for the same price!
I love the Indian bought a chief a and the throttle response was off ..I could not handle that so I traded it .. I just could not handle that.. a waste of money ps it never went away .. I had a street bob now and love it 2022
Great review! I think I would have gone for the Sport Chief. But I think the Low Rider ST is a great motorcycle too. So it's about margins, and for me it boils down to something as superficial as appearance. I think the Indian Chief has the right shapes and proportions.
@@Billuhhanks Without real, locking hard bags and without real wind deflection for the highways, the Indian should be thousands less. I’d pay the extra for the ability to tour easier.
It would be nice if they used the TFT display with all the added features from the Sportster S but if they weren't going to do that I don't know why they didn't at least just keep the same instrumentation on the ST that they used on the S. That tiny trapezoid thing they're using on the ST sucks period.
i ended up on the sport chief since harley couldnt answer a simple email ..my local indian dealer answers everything even on his off days ...no regrets either...def wasn't an apples to apples comparison though considering the ST had hard saddle bags and road glide sized fixed fairing lol ..the indian sport chief fairing doesn't do much for wind protection and anyone that says it does is either lying to themselves or really tiny
I would disagree, for as small as this fairing is, it completely takes the wind off of my chest. I put the taller wind screen on and it almost puts the wind over my head. If I'm wearing a helmet, I have zero issues. I'm 5'11" and 220 pounds for reference.
@myleshopkins2529 yea I mean it may work for some there's no argument there. I'm 5'7 with a 31in inseam and with a saddlemen seat and the 10in windshield with the fairing raised the wind still hits me in the shoulders
@myleshopkins2529 it's def better than no fairing that's forsure...I've tested the sport cheif fairing, blackmore wedge , no fairing and now doing the road warrior lol
Both nice bikes. I don't really know why Indian bother about rain mode and normal mode. Without having ridden either I may go with the Indian. Why? Because with the price difference I could spend more money on mods that suit me till it reaches the same price as the harley.
The bulbs are NOT halogen...just traditional incandescent. It sorta clarifies that you don't know what you are talking about. But the winner is clear. I don't have the patience to wait until the winner is clear when the start is nonsense.
I like both of them but I like the looks of the Indian better. The only thing about the Indian is that it has went out of business twice that I know of and I watched Victory motorcycles get the boot with supposedly only 10 years of factory support. Twice Bitten, Twice Shy. Harley has stood the test of time. Some of the Polaris stuff I've seen people didn't keep for very long because of engineering flaws. Then you wonder if someone is going to be offended by the name, Like the Washington redskins. The last thing I can think of, is all of the aftermarket opportunities there are for Harley. Even China is pounding out parts for the Harley because no one ever throws a Harley away.
Late to the party here but a rider can opt for the Lowrider S instead of the ST. Same bike minus big fairing and boxes/bags. The S is the comparison to the Sport Chief is my point 🤙
I don't like the digital gauge on the Low Rider. I also don't like the HD sticker on the Low Rider. It makes it look cheap. Other than that, I think they are real close on looks.
I like very much the style of the ST and the fact it comes with cases. But I think the indian give much more for a lower price. I think the price of the ST is too high for what is it. Around 21€ would have been a more correct price. I don't like at all either the so small digital screen of the harley. Compared with the one of the Indian, it is ridiculous. Well finally, I think riding both is the only way to really decide which one is better for you.
Why is it when people do these comparisons that they dont compare how the motors are built....The transmission in the Indian shifts like butter vs the HD, and never will you have an issue finding Neutral in the Indian.. Do a comparison M8 vs Thunderstroke... how the crank and connecting rods compare.. gear drives vs chain... Runout issues vs not.. just saying.. isnt longevity important? How many times have m8 owners gone to change out a cam, to realize that their crank runout is out of spec.. even with low mileage. keeping all of this into consideration.. when comparing two bikes that are very similar.. how the engines and drive components compare, can make all the difference in the world. Between the two bikes in this video, on the inside of the cases, there are big differences. Just saying..
@@UnrulyRider Showa is also used on a GP, new Kawasaki H2SX SEis coming out with electronic Showa front, zx10r too. Tests are showing superb handing on a track. I really do not belive that HD bombs(my Indian RM is bomb too) need roadracing suspension,, and supersport suspension maker is not good enough for you. It sounds a little funny, sorry.
@@rainkaru1946 The forks used in the factory bikes are not the same build quality and lack the adjust-ability of the higher end GP parts. The factory forks on my Indian Challenger are not adjustable in any way, I have added BareKnucklePerformance +2" extensions to the tops and pushed the forks down in through the trees. I also installed their +2" rear lift bracket. Lifting the Challenger an additional 2 inches allows it to corner harder at higher speed with a greater lean angle before scraping hard parts. Maybe watch King Of The Baggers and see what is being done with these things. Adjustable forks like a set of Ohlins cartridges would be perfect, and thankfully... Kevin Alsup over @ Big Bear Performance is working on just the solution for us Indian guys.
@@rainkaru1946 If you own a Lowrider ST or any Harley you know the stock suspension is shite. You don't need to be racer or sportbike rider to appreciate a properly suspended motorcycle. Better suspension provides a better feel for the road and inspires confidence in the corners. Harley forks are the worst. No preload, no rebound or compression damping adjustments. Just poor. If you don't believe me spend a little of that bling money on a proper suspension and it will transform you bike. All the engine mods in the world me nothing if you can't get the power to the ground. And I don't mean straight line drag racing. More than half the fun of a motorcycle is how it feels in the corners
i dont know about estetics. the isnt one good looking fairing in any cruiser/bagger on the market but HD has the better looking ones. that half fairing on indian looks more like after thought because thats what it is.
I wanted a Low Rider ST. But my Harley dealer marked it up too much to make it worth it. I am super happy with my Indian Chief.
Like the fact that the Indian is still a pure air cooled engine.
Got my ST for 2K under MSRP. Love everything about is it except that horrible horrible gauge.
Indian needs to make a Sport Chief "ST" then they would really be whoopin some HD butt
Time to try again I just got monster 26K a 2024
Indian should make another model Sport Chief with an audio fairing to go after the enthusiasm of the Low Rider St. and do it right quick. They addressed the shortcomings of the Chief line this past year with the Sport Chief - now take it a step further as an option.
I agree!
They copy everything else Harley does so I'm surprised they haven't. That's not a knock against them or anything, competition is a good thing and I'm glad there is another company out there offering premium cruisers with that traditional cruiser aesthetic (although I do have to laugh at the people that trash Harley yet are Indian fanboys).
I think it's smart. Everyone likes the LOOK of the HDs but not the price or performance. That's why they're doing so well with Indian as opposed to Victory. Victory bikes all looked weird. Indian bikes improve everything HD does but still have classic American looks.
Great job and well put together! The comparison should be to the LR S though. It's a more direct competitor to the Sport Chief. Thanks!
Hey man great review! I’m a little biased to the Chief as I ride one and have worked through some of the quirks and have upgraded a few things, seat, stage 1 on the 111 platform; some 10” apes coming soon. I do ride in sport mode 100% of the time because I like the response- for Harley’s though- I honestly would love to build a shovel head chopper with a jockey shift. I think there is nothing that compares to a straight piped, wire wheeled chopper
Anyway- keep up the great reviews and thank you-
So what about muscle bobbers - the Chief Dark Horse with the 116cu Thunderstroke vs the Fat Bob 114cu Milwaukee-Eight?
Great review! One thing that should have been mentioned is the easy removable bags of the Harley. With a twist of a knob in about 5 secs they're off and you have a more sleeker ride for cruising around town.
I have a 2023 Lowrider ST. I put a forward controls kit on it, and it feels so much more comfortable. And it looks effin great with that kit. No complaints with this bike. Lots of power, torque and style. And has the ability to go touring. I love this bike!
100% agree, I picked up my 24 ST 3 weeks ago and it already has 2k miles on it.
I have the Super Chief and from the factory the bars are as low as they'll go. I adjusted them up quite a ways, and it made all the difference in the world.
Your honesty is appreciated , I prefer the LRST also
I wonder if someone would be able to swap out the lower bags for the hard bags off the street glide or would that not be possible??
The off balance bags are to fit the exhaust. If you want to fit touring bags you'd have to completely replace the exhaust system
A Lowrider S would be a better comparison.
This.
i went from a sportster to the low rider st just one awesome bike
Love the Mosin Nagant in the back ground
I haven't actually pulled the trigger yet. But I'm a proud owner of a 2016 Ultra Limited at this writing. It has everything, including 200 pounds of weight I'm thinking I could do without. Not fond of the clamshell bags but I think I could get used to it. I'd miss my Ultra but like I said, I wouldn't miss it's weight. And it has the 103 in it where the ST has the 114 and I'm liking that. Ore and more. Great video.
117, but no real noticeable difference.
@@ChrisJones-el7bwlol, cope. You'd have to go "stage 2" on a 103 to match the power, and you'd swear up and down that it was worth it.
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the front forks on the Harley are Showa. They have been using them for years on all their motorcycles. I test rode the ST and I felt very crunched up on it. The bars were too low for my liking and I wasn't a fan of the handlebar clamp speedometer. Other than that I enjoyed the bike. When I rode the Indian Sport Chief I felt comfortable on it. I also rode one with the factory 6" optional riser height. I preferred the brakes on the Indian along with the speedo with built in GPS.
A lot of younger Harley riders were doing a lot of mods to their Dynas to make them like the old FXR. These newer STs are like a modern approach to the FXR. Seems like Harley is appealing to their customer base, just at a super premium price.
Thanks for the review. Even though they may be similar. I still think they are two different bikes. The LR ST to me, is that smaller RG style bike. Where I see the Sport Chief is a bike for someone who wants to throw it around. IMHO
Totally agree with that!!
I have test ridden the LRST twice now and it’s a great bike, full stop. I really like the ride command feature on the Sport Chief too though. It’s similar to what I have on my Sportster S and I dig it. It’s the LRST for me out of these two ultimately however and I am currently considering that and the base level Challenger I test rode this weekend for my final new bike choice. I really like both, I just need to determine what my riding priorities are. Thanks for the content. I have been looking for this comparison fir a bit. 👍🏾
Challenger is definitely the way to go for a bagger. Superior handling and power to anything else out there!!
@@paulf9653 I have now tried most of the baggers and I like the ride experience on the Street Glide and Challenger Darkhorse the most. I like the build quality and looks of the new 2023 Street Glide CVO the most overall but I would never spend that much on a motorcycle regardless of how much money I have. If that new CVO body style truly trickles down to the standard Street Glides that would be my choice. The Challenged is definitely a really nice bike too though.
@@urbanadventurer5 I do agree with you on the Build quality of the CVO and the crazy price. The challenger just handles so much better and more than equal power in my opinion. I do like to ride aggressively though. I can tell you this though, I have a first year 2020 Challenger DH and have needed the dealer one time in over 3 year. I had the power windshield replace under warranty. It's been a near perfect bike. Good luck with whatever you end up with though.
The whole point to the Sport Mode is to NOT have the feeling of sport mode all the time. Especially for those times when you're riding in the rain for instance. To argue that the Lowrider doesn't need sport mode because it feels like it has sport mode all the time is actually a detriment, not a plus.
Totally agree, I like having modes
I honestly can't get with modes. I mean I respect the technology and I can understand how some people would like it but you have an endless amount of mode in your throttle hand. In my opinion it's just more of an expense than anything, that's why I like my older bikes... I believe that both Harley and Indian should spend their time in research developing better high-speed stability, overall better suspension/handling and more responsive and dynamic engines.
I really like the Harley and the minimalistic tech. I know a lot of riders who don't like all the tech bullshit a lot of new bikes come with. I personally don't need the different ride modes, maps and weather. It's been my experience more tech more problems. That said, the INDIAN is a fantastic ride. Even though it has a little too much tech for me its just beautiful. In this particular case,it's tuff to decide which ride I would choose. Great review man.
You are HD lover, all your tests showed that.Sorry but this is honest opinion. I like HD too, but noone is paying to me for loving it. Lowrider ST is a mini bagger, Sport Chief is completely different type of motorcycle. HDis mainstream, Indian is for people who admire technology but have own opinion. Same like I have Kawasaki zx14r that is far away more powerful than Hayabusa gen3, but Hayabusa guys say that I don't understand things well, from their perspective almost 30 hp less difference power from rear wheel seems like a profit . So I am trying to start understand things different, though I don't yet
The ZX14 hasn't been changed at all in over 10 years... that's terrible. The Gen 3 Hayabusa is better in every category except power, and that's partly due to refinement of what the bike was designed to be.. a sport touring motorcycle.
There's no reason the ZX14 should exist. It's ignored by Kawasaki because the H2SX has effectively replaced it. I personally passed on buying a ZX14 because it's so outdated, and that's sad because it's actually a very comfortable motorcycle with lots to like.
@@DeltaElite121 , strange opinion, You argue yourself to your statement
The Harley is better, just my honest opinion…
Correct me if I'm wrong please but wasn't the lowrider St around $19,000 3 to 4 years ago. That's a huge jump in price to $23,000.
I can't see out of my mirrors will.a flip work on this ST?
I would've bought a Low Rider ST if the bags were symmetrical, but I HATE that the right side bag is shorter than the left. It kills me lol...
Yes, another thing about the ST that's dumb...
Great work, thanks! 👏
Have a 2022 lowrider S. Bike is awesome. Made it more awesome with Stage IV kit. Its staying forever. Nothing quite like it.
Excellent comparison video. GREAT job man.
Thanks man
You did a Great job!
I like how you did your research on the product before riding. Not everyone on UA-cam does that.
Keep it up.
Thanks man
I couldn't afford either but I did ride a demo day Lowrider ST a week or so back and if I had the scratch for a new bike that would definitely be the one.
You should test the Sport Chief again with the optional 10" risers and let us know if it improves that reach.
Wrinkle black, the ST bags being uneven and not a top lid latch system is annoying but I prefer storage vs none. The gauge on the Indian is cool but I’d rather have pure style of the HD
Great job on the video dude, very well done! 👊
Thanks brother
The dash on the Indian is the benchmark for a cruiser !! Especially with the GPS!!
Harley need to keep up with the times !!
But thats not what harleys about
But with that new inky dinky ridiculous display on the ST they are just being cheap, and stupid... Just like not all LED lighting, wtf... Harley lost my business to Indian...
@@jasonpavicich4868 Right!! They are still stuck in the 80s at best. Halogen lights.. LOL
What are they about then ?@@jasonpavicich4868
@@jasonpavicich4868 They have a nice digital gauge on the Sportster S, there's no excuse for them not to.
Ive seen the sport chief and the only thing that holds me to buy it, is that windscreen... The wind screen and the screws are very poorly finished, especially on the inside. Or am I the only one who makes an issue of this?
I have a 23 ST, and I felt like you when I first saw the 2' Digital gauge on a Street Bob(?) I may or my not have exceeded the speed limit on that test ride because I couldn't se the gauge. However, after 7000+ miles on the ST, I am fine with it. I keep it on Tach and have the speedo, and that's all I need when I'm riding. I have been pleasantly surprised how well these 67 year old eyes can see this gauge.
the foot positionin is geared for more positive control. Wasnt for majority cruising
This might be my favorite Indian but I still prefer the Harley. I wish Harley had an option on the low rider for a TFT screen.
Great review as always👍👍
Thanks brother
I can't wait til Harley puts that new 121ci cvo engine into the Lowrider ST.
ST hands down. This comparison should be with low rider s rather than ST.
Right!!!!
Indian manufactures an excellent bike…..but I still prefer Harley Davidson….
Not complaining but isn’t this the wrong Indian to compare with a low rider st? Shouldnt a st compare to a challenger?
The Road Glide ST vs the Challenger would be more appropriate.
the sport chief should have been compared to the low rider S not the ST
@@99naSvt I agree.
@@mosgor I mean. Isn’t the lowrider st a touring bike?
I’m sure it’s been said, sport chief is better compared to Lowrider S. Regardless great video and two beautiful scoots
Indian looks great from far away, but Indian cockpit is hideous. I like the FXLRST display. Clean. Minimalist. I love an analog tach but the clean look is for me.
It doesn't look like the test Sport Chief you drove didn't have the optional 10 inch high risers. That makes a ton of difference imo as far as arm position.
Yes they completely change the feel of the bike!!
Ride position, vibrations, and throttle response are the key cruiser requirements at stock. I prefer the Indian's looks, but it sounds like the HD is the better stock cruiser. Thanks for the review, and thank you Tim for the bike loan.
I hate how smooth the M8 is. I miss my Sportster 48.
That's a very strange take 😂
"I miss my small slow bike that can't do highway because I want a smaller power band and I want it to shake at idle" 🥱
As a sport bike rider who has done plenty of research on these two bikes recently I must say the low rider S/ST just barely wins in my books
I agree. I nearly bought the harley lowrider but i could not handle the high peg height. I have short legs and i can only think it is worse for others with average length legs.
I will not buy a Polaris as had bad experiences in the past plus they are all new designed bikes.
I know you'll get more likes because you gave the Harley the win, but we all know the Indian is a more advanced, better equipped, and better priced bike than the Harley. You need to compare to the Lowrider S, so you don't ding the Indian for not having a fairing and bags, if you want to do a real comparison. The funny thing is, you can put bags and a bigger fairing on the Indian for much less then you'll spend on new suspension, LED lights, bigger brakes but you still will have that very outdated instrument display on the Harley LR.
Or maybe he likes the Harley better?
You sound butthurt. Both bikes are good. It’s a matter of what features you want the most. Indians biggest problem right now is not having enough aftermarket support for options which pushes more people to go Harley.
I like Harley better and I will say that having halogens on a 20K plus bike is a fucking crime.
lol I agree.
I have nothing against Harley, and was going to buy a LR S. But I started looking at Indian and for about the same money, I could get the Indian Sport Chief with the upgrades I would want to do on the Harley right out of the box. The funny thing is, I've had a few Harley guys ride my bike and they really like it but the funny thing is, they still say they wouldn't buy one. That's the part I don't get. @@PrettyGoodShot
Thanks Bro great show. Take care
Nice video keep up the good work
Thanks man
If you plan to use it as more than a bar hopper. The smooth power plant larger fuel tank and superior fairing & bags make the LRST the hands down choice.
But I must say the torquey Thunderstoke with any aftermarket pipe easily make’s beautiful music. The M8 takes the right cam, and the right pipe, maybe some compression and an aftermarket tuner to slow the idle a bit just to get in the same music room.
Advantage Thunderstroke stops there. The M8 4 valve heads are far superior. 125 HP Thunderstroke is best I’ve seen. 150 HP M8s are not unusual. Suspension & brakes are good on both so what you have left is preference as to looks.
Dude, you’re so damn biased. Why did you compare the ST and not just the low Rider S the one that’s actually the same price?
Undecided between both. Price point indian, but that harley looks nice. And I didn't like the small digital screen on harley. I think I'm tipping over to st. Not sure any advice for anyone?
I think the Indian is better all around, including looks... I have the leather saddlebags on order, won't scratch like the hard bags on the ST and they look way cool..
I traded My 18 Indian Scout 60 for a 23 LR ST. I wanted another Indian but trading in Harley gave me a better deal. My INDIAN had things going wrong like rust in some of the bolts, my Tach went blank and was going to cost a lot to fix. INDIAN wasn't keen on my trade in and, I think the LRST is more of what I wanted for the price(protected from the wind, big fuel tank, lots of power, not 1000lbs) So far, I'm happy.
Overall for bike purpose I agree on paper the Harley maybe better. I prefer the looks of the Indian by some margin and the LCD screen goes with out saying. I personally found the Low rider ST riding position to aggressive for me when I tried it, so I bought a street glide special and modified it. But that's rider preference.
Indian gauge on the harley 😊
I have a s .love it. The screen is a lot better. And probably fit the st.
In my opinion the ST is the best bike made by Harley ever.
It has it all, it is not heavy, it is good for enjoy twisties but also made for medium to long distances,but, but, if you change the fairing and the risers of the Sport Chief you get almost the same good bike for the same money.. I prefer the ST but by a rather subtle margin.
Well done Indian
harley really couldn’t be bothered to install a normal speedo and tach on the massive empty fairing lmao
I think a closer camparison would be between the sport chief and the lowrriderr s.
I really don't like that Polaris abandoned Victory instead of sticking with the brand and improving the bikes. So, I am very leary about Indian and when they are going to abandon that brand. I think the better comparison of the Sport Chief is the Low Rider S. I like the Low Rider ST, but I hate clamshell bags and bags that aren't symmetrical. And I would seriously want to look at standard size riser mounted gauges. So, I suspect to buy the Harley I would have to start with the Low Rider S and upgrade, rather than the ST and selling things on ebay as I upgraded. This brings me back to the Indian, but the Victory abandonment has me worried. Maybe I should just stick with the Road King, which has been my favorite for 15 years.
My 23 Low Rider s (not the ST) has 3 riding modes, sport, sport, and sport. All great modes. BTW the regular Low Rider has a much better gauge than the ST, one reason why I upgraded from the Street Bob (but of course not the only or biggest reason). Not a fan of the fixed fairing on the ST, much prefer my Memphis Shades system which allows swap-outs or just bare wind. Also simple to add hard or soft bags to the regular LR, Harley has 2 options on their site.
ST has larger tank which would be a better option for me.
Yeah on low riding st fast Johnnie but giving 25000 to Indian sport chief then look sport bike turn 40 looking get to riding again thanks vid
Better price on Indian, too much for st lowrider, even though I love the bike. I'm convinced I would go for the Indian, and I didn't like the display too small on the lowrider.
If you take off the stock air cleaner and replace it with anything on the Indian, it's a massive power and response upgrade. The stock cleaner starves the bike of oxygen. I noticed the Harley already had an upgraded air cleaner.
And exhaust...
Definitely need to ride a chief sport with 10in risers and or a bigger rise bar, hard to compare a bike that has aftermarket accessories already to make it comfortable to a bone stock bike
The comparison should be the FXLRS not the ST
Either way,
The Indian is heavier, has less power and torque, ran the 1/4 1 second slower, has longer braking distances, and less lean angle and 1 gallon less fuel, less suspension travel then the Lowrider S, And is the same price point……. Go check out cycle worlds comparison video. I don’t see what’s better about the Indian other then it’s not a Harley for the contrarian folk.
Hmm, in my area of the Midwest, the HD cost 2 grand more, the shops are not as friendly, the shops are 2-5 weeks out compared to 3 days out at Indian.
I have a Low Rider ST. It is the best bike I have ever owned.
Here in the EU, the low rider ST would cost me as much as the Low rider ST, so choice is very easy… i would rather have saddlebags and a functioning fairing for the same price!
I love the Indian bought a chief a and the throttle response was off ..I could not handle that so I traded it .. I just could not handle that.. a waste of money ps it never went away ..
I had a street bob now and love it 2022
The Harley has Showa front forks, not Ohlins, how could you not know???
Great review! I think I would have gone for the Sport Chief. But I think the Low Rider ST is a great motorcycle too. So it's about margins, and for me it boils down to something as superficial as appearance. I think the Indian Chief has the right shapes and proportions.
The Low Rider ST is a more premium bike. I do wish they did something better on the display though.
It’s thousands of dollars more
@@Billuhhanks Without real, locking hard bags and without real wind deflection for the highways, the Indian should be thousands less. I’d pay the extra for the ability to tour easier.
It would be nice if they used the TFT display with all the added features from the Sportster S but if they weren't going to do that I don't know why they didn't at least just keep the same instrumentation on the ST that they used on the S. That tiny trapezoid thing they're using on the ST sucks period.
I went to purchase a low rider ST and ended up with the Polaris Challenger. IMHO the Challenger is closer to a Gold Wing than any HD.
Apples to oranges. ( Just my biased opinion )
Do a review of your gun collection some time.
i ended up on the sport chief since harley couldnt answer a simple email ..my local indian dealer answers everything even on his off days ...no regrets either...def wasn't an apples to apples comparison though considering the ST had hard saddle bags and road glide sized fixed fairing lol ..the indian sport chief fairing doesn't do much for wind protection and anyone that says it does is either lying to themselves or really tiny
I would disagree, for as small as this fairing is, it completely takes the wind off of my chest. I put the taller wind screen on and it almost puts the wind over my head. If I'm wearing a helmet, I have zero issues. I'm 5'11" and 220 pounds for reference.
@myleshopkins2529 yea I mean it may work for some there's no argument there. I'm 5'7 with a 31in inseam and with a saddlemen seat and the 10in windshield with the fairing raised the wind still hits me in the shoulders
@myleshopkins2529 it's def better than no fairing that's forsure...I've tested the sport cheif fairing, blackmore wedge , no fairing and now doing the road warrior lol
@@99naSvtwhat’s your preference?
@glennelliott4989 I like the road warrior the best out of the 3
Both nice bikes. I don't really know why Indian bother about rain mode and normal mode. Without having ridden either I may go with the Indian. Why? Because with the price difference I could spend more money on mods that suit me till it reaches the same price as the harley.
The bulbs are NOT halogen...just traditional incandescent. It sorta clarifies that you don't know what you are talking about. But the winner is clear. I don't have the patience to wait until the winner is clear when the start is nonsense.
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 😭
That front fork it is not manufactured by Ohlins .
Most likely Showa .
I like both of them but I like the looks of the Indian better. The only thing about the Indian is that it has went out of business twice that I know of and I watched Victory motorcycles get the boot with supposedly only 10 years of factory support. Twice Bitten, Twice Shy. Harley has stood the test of time. Some of the Polaris stuff I've seen people didn't keep for very long because of engineering flaws. Then you wonder if someone is going to be offended by the name, Like the Washington redskins. The last thing I can think of, is all of the aftermarket opportunities there are for Harley. Even China is pounding out parts for the Harley because no one ever throws a Harley away.
I threw my Harley away for the Sport Chief, tried to like the LRST but for me it sucked…
Wait for Indian to respond to HD LR it will be a beast
Lowrider ST is where it’s at!!! 117 rips!!!
"Oh leans"
Late to the party here but a rider can opt for the Lowrider S instead of the ST. Same bike minus big fairing and boxes/bags. The S is the comparison to the Sport Chief is my point 🤙
ST also has taller suspension and comes with cruise by default.
They should have made the Sportster S gauge work with the new Low Rider ST
I don't like the digital gauge on the Low Rider. I also don't like the HD sticker on the Low Rider. It makes it look cheap. Other than that, I think they are real close on looks.
I like very much the style of the ST and the fact it comes with cases. But I think the indian give much more for a lower price. I think the price of the ST is too high for what is it. Around 21€ would have been a more correct price. I don't like at all either the so small digital screen of the harley. Compared with the one of the Indian, it is ridiculous. Well finally, I think riding both is the only way to really decide which one is better for you.
Harley blocked me on X for simply saying that my old street glide was always breaking down. It will always be Indian for me from here on out.
Why is it when people do these comparisons that they dont compare how the motors are built....The transmission in the Indian shifts like butter vs the HD, and never will you have an issue finding Neutral in the Indian.. Do a comparison M8 vs Thunderstroke... how the crank and connecting rods compare.. gear drives vs chain... Runout issues vs not.. just saying.. isnt longevity important? How many times have m8 owners gone to change out a cam, to realize that their crank runout is out of spec.. even with low mileage. keeping all of this into consideration.. when comparing two bikes that are very similar.. how the engines and drive components compare, can make all the difference in the world. Between the two bikes in this video, on the inside of the cases, there are big differences. Just saying..
Viking makes lots of hard case saddlebags for the Chief.
I went with the street glide special
Harley has a more powerful motor, lighter weight, more lean angle, better clutch and trans, better dealer support and invented this style of bike.
The HD comes with Showa front forks... definitely NOT Ohlins from the factory.
Mr. , why to cruiser a superbike forks, do you want to go over 300km/h and kneedragging curves?????
@@rainkaru1946 yeah, we upgrade our factory forks to Ohlins, but these bikes don't come with that kind of equipment.
@@UnrulyRider Showa is also used on a GP, new Kawasaki H2SX SEis coming out with electronic Showa front, zx10r too. Tests are showing superb handing on a track. I really do not belive that HD bombs(my Indian RM is bomb too) need roadracing suspension,, and supersport suspension maker is not good enough for you. It sounds a little funny, sorry.
@@rainkaru1946 The forks used in the factory bikes are not the same build quality and lack the adjust-ability of the higher end GP parts. The factory forks on my Indian Challenger are not adjustable in any way, I have added BareKnucklePerformance +2" extensions to the tops and pushed the forks down in through the trees. I also installed their +2" rear lift bracket. Lifting the Challenger an additional 2 inches allows it to corner harder at higher speed with a greater lean angle before scraping hard parts.
Maybe watch King Of The Baggers and see what is being done with these things. Adjustable forks like a set of Ohlins cartridges would be perfect, and thankfully... Kevin Alsup over @ Big Bear Performance is working on just the solution for us Indian guys.
@@rainkaru1946 If you own a Lowrider ST or any Harley you know the stock suspension is shite. You don't need to be racer or sportbike rider to appreciate a properly suspended motorcycle. Better suspension provides a better feel for the road and inspires confidence in the corners. Harley forks are the worst. No preload, no rebound or compression damping adjustments. Just poor. If you don't believe me spend a little of that bling money on a proper suspension and it will transform you bike. All the engine mods in the world me nothing if you can't get the power to the ground. And I don't mean straight line drag racing. More than half the fun of a motorcycle is how it feels in the corners
The shocks are NOT Ohlins, if they were the bike would be 4-5K more $$$, they are Showa.
Like the Harley but that speedo is heinous...I like classic clocks. I'd buy the HD Icon Hydroglide.
i dont know about estetics. the isnt one good looking fairing in any cruiser/bagger on the market but HD has the better looking ones. that half fairing on indian looks more like after thought because thats what it is.