I attached Velcro to my sleeping pad and on one side of my hammock. It works a lot better for keeping the pad in place so it doesn't move around on you while you're sleeping. I hope this can help someone else. Happy camping. God bless and stay safe
The sleeping pad may not work as well as the under quilt / top quilt system, but it allows more flexibility. Some of the best campsites I have had have been in places where there was no place to hang a hammock. With the sleeping pad / sleeping bag / tarp / hammock system, I have the flexibility of sleeping in the hammock, on the ground under my tarp, or in a trail shelter. Yeah, maybe I wake up occasionally when I shift off the pad during cold nights, but that is not usually a problem during the warmer months. To have the same flexibility with the top quilt / under quilt system, you would need to carry a spare sleeping pad, which of course adds extra weight.
I’ve been hammock camping with this exact configuration for the past 10+years. I use a tarp, sleeping pad, hammock, and a 30F sleeping bag. Been down to 14F like this and slept comfy. Took me a while to figure out the right setup though. Finally landed on a 3” insulated pad with XL hammock. I’m 6’2” so the XL hammock is already a given. Anyway, my 30F bag I open and use like a top quilt. I leave the bottom zipped so it creates a “foot box.” With this setup, I’ve slept without a roof tarp down to mid 30’s F and was comfortable. Camping any colder than that is just miserable in my opinion 😂 so I don’t need anything more than this. I plan on upgrading to a nice actual top quilt this year, but other then that… I’m dialed. Awesome video though!
I got a Draumr, from Amokequipment and this thing is just a whole new hammok experience. I never slept this well in a hammok and i had 5 other before, slept over 150 nights. Just awesome work.
I have used MSS with insulated air pad but find a heat reflective wind barrier below the air pad helps - worked for me down to 8F. Try and use some of the aluminized bubble wrap aka Reflectix in your mix below your air pad - also let a little more air out. you want to take the pad down until it cups your body so it doesn't want to move and yet keeps the pad from collapsing.
I have been using a pad and sleeping bag combo for years. I personally use a big Agnes encampment bag. The pad is integrated into the bottom of the bag keeping it in place. My friends use thermarest foam pads and we all have pushed our set ups to -7°f.
You slept banana? (instead of diagonally). That's interesting. I struggled with a pad and sleeping bag in a hammock until I got a Warbonnet Black Bird XLC double layer. This has a footbox design that allows for a good diagonal position. My under-inflated Klimit pad stays in position in between the two layers of hammock fabric-solving the sleeping bag problem. What I think you may have discovered is that a curved (side to side) inflatable sleeping pad in a hammock gains a lot of stiffness lengthwise--allowing you to sleep banana. It might be interesting to make a wider sleeping pad with larger side 'tubes' that will further stiffen the pad and provide baby-bumpers to keep you centered. Thanks for sharing your investigation.
Used OV insulated sleeping pad in hammock and used a REI 55 travel sack. It has a drawstring on the bottom so I put the hammock through it. Good for Florida nights when it can get cool.
I have used a yoga mat type cushion. It helped but I kept having to straighten it out. So I put a couple eyelets on each end and now paracord holds it in place. I also have a larger homemade mat that is set up to be corded to my hammock.
A thin, closed cell foam pad will be easier to manage in a hammock for bottom insulation. A sleeping bag will work great as a top quilt.........only zip up the very bottom to capture the toe box area and then use the rest of the SB as an over quilt or top quilt. Nothing beats the UQ for bottom insulation. I am a die hard fan of sleeping in a hammock and I love my down OV UQ and TQ. Happy Hammocking!
For a lot of years and still today I use a standard 1 inch thick Therm-a-rest mummy pad 1/2 to 3/4 inflated. By not inflating it all the way it will conform to the hammock and your body letting you have the comfort that only a hammock furnishes. For many years I used a normal bag and just unzipped it about 3/4 of the way so it formed a foot box. Later a regular quilt over me in cold weather and I tuck it in along each side. If you want to have the lap of luxury get a double bottom hammock and slip the pad between the layers. By the way I have found that only the double bottom hammocks are mosquito proof , the little darlings can't bite threw both layers of material. Even in the summer I use the pad , I start out with it over to one side and early morning when I start to get a cold butt I slide the pad under me. For summer time camping ( Heck all year ) a hammock beats a tent 10 ways past Sunday. Even on rainy days I have a 10 x 12 foot tarp keeping me dry.
I am a novice to hammock camping, but have made it through 30 degree nights fairly well with an insulated mummy air mattress. I tend to roll around alot and am a side sleeper, so having to adjust my pad all through the night is a bit of a pain. Thought about buying a double layer hammock to help lock in the pad but I have recently made a homemade underquilt and have to admit it's much more convenient, even if it does take away my ability to sleep on the ground. Where I live there are plenty of trees so no problem.
I just spent a week in the BWCA in northern MN and my girlfriend and I did this tactic the whole week. I had a thinner insulated pad that was tapered while she had a pad very similar to the one in the video. I throw off a lot more body heat so it worked great for me especially since the pad I have holds air really well. My girlfriend ran into the same problem of rolling off the pad but slept well over all.
I'm just beginning with hammock camping so right now i think i'm just going to go with the pad but then eventually upgrade to a better hammock an under quilt a good tarp etc thank you for the info
I've got a really messed up back so started sleeping in my nice basement in a hammock 3 years ago.. I cut down a cheap yoga mat and use a lightweight sleeping bag.. I haven't ever slept this good and woke up not feeling stiff and sore.. I will not sleep in a bed ever again
closed cell pad under you. regular sleeping bag around you. Use a larger tarp to reduce cross wind (convection). I just did 25F that way. If i had an underquilt i could probably be comfortable at even lower temps.
Hey Fred! I hope i can bother you for a minute. Was it a thermarest Z lite by chance? (I've got one of those, and don't want to buy an underquilt for budget reasons.
do you use a thermarest z-lite , ridgerest or inflatable in the hammock? I have a thermarest ridgerest already but trying to decide if I should get a different style thermarest sleeping pad
I use a Klymit Static V with a Snugpak jungle blanket during the warm weather months. The Klymit is only 2" fully inflated but it works well and mine is not insulated. My hammock is a single jungle set up with the no see'um netting. If the temp plummets and I feel it I'll add an SOL Bivy (breathable) to my system. However, my winter set up includes the under blanket, top quilt and the orange/reflective blanket between the under blanket and a double hammock; the reflective side is always up. Yeah, CBS sucks! For next winter I will invest in your pod setup. BTW I like that puffy you were wearing...great color.
I’ve slept in my hammock at 10 below Fahrenheit with the Big Agnes q-core and the MSS military bags. I sewed extra tabs on the sides of the outer bag with some shock cord to slide the pad through to help keep the bag on the pad. Put that inside my bivy and slept great!
I use a Tenth Wonder hammock XL which is 2 layers and sewn a pocket in the hammock for the pad to fit inside to stop the pad moving around, It's very comfortable and how I camp 99% of the time I'm out.
Yes, I have not used a hammock like that, but having the extra layer or pocket where you can place, or sandwich a pad seems like a great idea, as it should move less. It would seem that if you had a zipper, or Velcro to lock the pad in that pocket, than it would be even more stable. Klymit makes the Hammock V insulated pad with a non skid surface, and side wings that seems to be a good solution too. I can't remember where, but I recall seeing a hammock with a pocket, that also had openings that allowed the wings on the Hammock V to pass through to block drafts from the sides.
I was pushing the limits of my 20 degrees synthetic mummypod while in a hammock and decided to try to throw my insulated OV sleeping pad in there as well. The mummy pod was very tight with me and the pad but once I drained some air it worked great and I slept for 8 hours!
FYI klymit makes a sleeping pad specific for hammocks that works very well they come in both insulated and uninsulated. Also I have used a grabber space blacket under me as well as a bottom quilt and this worked well down to 28f.
my Hennessy double layer with the heat reflective bubble pad is super light and if added with a thin pad and then a regular sleeping bag ,I get same comfort and saved $300 in over and under quilts, maybe in weight too.... maybe if you make a hammock with a integrated bottom quilt ,all 1 unit , I might give it a shot because I got 4 or 5 sleeping bags and why spend more on quilts too?
Before the mummypod, I slept with a 1-inch mummy-shaped pad mostly inflated inside a mummy bag. It worked great and it is what I have my hammock-curious friends do to start out with gear they already have. I think the OV pad (4-inch) would theoretically work in a rectangular bag but even then, it may be too thick to fit the pad and the occupant.
i've tried this set up and my zipper kept catching and i got major claustrophobia. damn near threw out my shoulder trying to get out in the morning. still a good option though for people who aren't toss and turners like me.
I use a mylar lined blanket underneath my sleeping bag and it's kept me very toasty in thirty five degree weather. My whole living /sleeping arrangement weighs about one half a.oound and can be carried in palm of hand.
Excuse my ignorance as a lowly ground dweller, but wouldn't a top quilt with pad straps instead of a regular sleeping bag be more effective since it keeps you from shifting off the pad? I mean when I shift around in the middle of the night in my tent, my pad slides around but I move with it since I'm tucked into my quilt that is strapped to the pad...
I have also used a pad in the hammock (your OV pad as a matter of fact). Temps were in the low 20s and i was using an aerie as an top quilt augmented with the Costco down throw. Recommend if using an inflatable pad in the hammock, dont inflate it as normal. Maybe to about 80% should be good. I slept very well but having the TQ/UQ combo is ideal for me.
A mylar space blanket or the like might do a good job of reflecting that body heat and beefing up the insulation of the ground pad with minimal weight addition even if held in place with pad straps.
Until I’m ready to invest in quilts, I use that exact configuration, my Marmot 35 deg synthetic sleeping bag, a silk cocoon liner, with my Thermarest NeoAir Trekker sleeping pad underneath. Works fine in temps down to 30 deg.
Last year I tried out a Klymit Insulated Hammock V pad inside my double layered Warbonnet Blackbird because there was a chance that I might have to go to ground instead of hanging. I was warm enough, and had no problem with the pad sliding around because I placed it between the hammock layers. The problem I encountered was that I could feel moisture between my back and the pad, and it was very uncomfortable. After that experience, I went back to using my Wookie underquilt, which is designed for use with the Blackbird. If I have to sleep on the ground, I'll just have to figure something out...
I've camped multiple nights in a hammock+sleeping bag\pad setup and yes, sliding off the pad is a pretty real issue as well as the pad not fitting we'll inside the hammock. That being said, it is very doable and I'll probably stick to it for awhile!
Nice video guys, thank you! 4:52 is he using the top quilt and under quilt plus an inflated sleeping pad? how many degrees was that night? Can you talk about what brand/model is this topquilt and underquilt? :)
He was just using an underquilt and topquilt at the 4:52 minute mark. The gear in this video is all Outdoor Vitals brand, and the underquilt was an Aerie, with a LoftTek topquilt.
I used Horizontal sleeping pad, and it is 3-4" thick..and it makes more flat sleeping but i had DD jungle hammock ..so i wanted buy outdoorvitals sleeping pad but it is not in stuck..so i got different brand with vertical baffles, and it is about 3 " thick..and medium/wide..i am going to test it with my new outdoorvitals hammock/under quilt..will see how works..
I would suggest that the sleeping pad be put inside the sleeping bag, in order to prevent shifting. Also, Klymit makes the insulated Hammock V sleeping pad which is specifically designed to be used in hammocks, by spreading the hammock open, and it has a special non skid surface that keeps a sleeper from sliding around. The Hammock V also has wings that come up along the side of the sleeper to block drafts. For less severe temperatures Reflektix Bubble wrap that is sandwiched between layers of Mylar will also provide some insulation. It can also be cut to fit inside a sleeping bag. There are also unique hammocks, such as those manufactured by Easy Hammock, a small cottage manufacturer in the UK. Their hammocks have a fully integrated bottom insulation that is permanently sewn on the bottom of the hammock, and does not require any additional underquilts or mats, unless you plan to sleep below 20 degrees F, or -5 C. I personally have had no problem sleeping in an uninsulaed hammock with only a 40 degree sleeping bag, down to 40 degrees F. I don't find the claim that sleeping on your sleeping bag in a hammock eliminates all of your bottom side insulation to actually be true. I have found that at least for me, if things get a little chilly at night, that simply putting on an insulated jacket with a hood, heavier socks, a cap, or long underwear quickly solves the problem. Usually only a jacket is required in my experience. One simple fix that I did not mention is to simply add a thin sleeping bag liner to the inside of your sleeping bag. The liner, unlike the sleeping bag, hugs your body tighter, and definitely creates a warmer micro climate for your body. A wool blanket would work too, though it adds extra weight. I have not tried it yet, but I have the idea to simply hang a very lightweight reflective tarp like the Arcturus Heavy Duty Survival Blanket - Insulated Thermal Reflective Tarp - 60" x 82" underneath my hammock like an underquilt. This unique blanket features a Mylar reflective side which can be used to reflect heat, and create a radiant barrier. The other side is made of two layers of polypropylene, and can serve as a blanket, tarp or shelter. After suspending the blanket under, and around my hammock, my hypothesis is that the Mylar will reflect my heat back to me, and the outer will as as a wind stop. This blanket comes in its own carry bag and weighs only 1 lb, measuring 5' x 7' when fully deployed, so very lightweight, and very inexpensive! I'll test my hypothesis this year. The OV Mummy Pod also seems like a good idea! Hopefully these comments are beneficial to someone. Thanks and Good Luck!
I have a Green Hornet hammock I bought from Great Britain that has a double layer bottom with a slot to insert a sleeping pad or insulation... think the whole rig, hammock, mosquito netting, straps and postage was about $80. You can check it out on UA-cam.
Many sleeping bags have a zipper that goes down to the bottom, of the sleeping bag, and at the end of the zipper, there should be a small opening which you could fit the rope to the hammock through; which enables you to use your sleeping bag as a pod-system that goes around the hammock (provided your sleeping bag is a bit longer than you usually need). I tried this tonight, and slept like a baby..! I had 2 easily solveable issues with this. 1st was that i did not have any insulation for my head, but as i used a pillow, this was not a problem. 2nd issue was that when i tightened the sleeping bag to fit snuggly around the hammock and my shoulders, was that during the night, the zipper opened up from the tension. As i never use the zipper anyway, i think im just gonna sow it together in the top, so it doesnt happen again. Alternatively, you can use a safety pin to keep the zipper in place, so it cant slide down...
I recently made an underquilt and I have an extra long and wide and I think it's a good idea to get one of you plan on using it in the hammock to give more coveragr
after tried use with my outdoorvitals single hammock, under quilt and sleeping pad here is the problem..i put air pad inside of hammock, and that time was not good idea...sleeping pad turned 90 degree almost when i was trying sleep plus makes hammock not to deep and middle of hammock made a line....so next time i will try it put between hammock and under quilt..that way maybe better works..and not fill air full inside of air pad..i think that time can give more flexibility..will see...why i want use sleeping pad? it makes more straight sleep type..and allows me sleep on back or side..if my outdoorvitals Hammock is more wide than would be more easy..not sure..i think one of problem is side of hammock edge are don't have any material inside to hold straight from head to end..like under quilt has and it is vertically/horizontally allows you tight or lose the quilt..if you guys make similar system for Hammock, that will be better i think..
If someone has already invested in a nice down sleeping bag, just open up the sleeping bag and use it like a top quilt. The downside is that you're carrying a little extra weight. Add the underquilt and you're good to go.
I've tried reflectx (warm but crinkly), yoga mats (good, but take up a bit of space) and my Klymit inflatable pad in hammocks. They all work.. probably not as well as an underquilt, but all are much cheaper, and for someone who hammock camps only occasionally reasonable options.
Having to buy a bunch of extra things pushes people away from hammocks. I picked up a hennesy because I only wanted to carry two pieces for my sleep system, if I'm going to carry more than that, I word just carry the superior weather camping apparatus, the tent!
For not so cold I just put my sleeping bag on the outside of hammock. This works best with a dual zip sleeping bag. I gather the excess above my head and secure with a hair tie. This creates the insulated space around me. If it is really cold outside I use a mummy bag inside the hammock with the other bag on the outside of hammock. Very cozy
In this hammock situation does synthetic or down insulation work better? Im thinking that maybe the syntheic will be a little mor e rigid and hold more air insulated.
Just got back from the Rocky Mountains and my Big Agnes insulated + Encampment 15 was not able to keep me warm into the 30s .. ended up sliding my whole sleep system into an e-blanket and woke up soaked in moisture. .. hahaha I googled to see if anyone had struggled like I did. I should have recorded the hilarity. Nice hang yo👍🧘♂️
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Since here in brazil we don't have vary cold nights, I use a sleeping bag in my hammock. Works perfect
My pad never slips. Works great I advice people watching to get a pad with the grove patterns to go width ways and not length as it creates strength width ways to prevent you getting rolled up in it like a cigar if you know what I mean
You might get away without one, although I would personally still take an under quilt or pad. If there's wind, it will still wick that heat away from you from underneath. If the temperature is 65-70 or higher, then you would be fine without one.
I love the videos, but find the lack of info on environmental/weather conditions bothersome. Although weather can be unpredictable, if you know what to expect and can be flexible with your setup you are usually okay. It would be helpful to know what the actual air temp, humidity, and cloud cover (for starters) were during the gear reviews that you post.
I have switched from ground camping to hammock camping and use my mummy pod and I've been comfortable even down to the high 30's. I will add our 50lb boxer sleeps with me for extra warmth. I did try the mummy pod just as a sleeping bag inside the hammock and woke up with a very cold bottom. I like the mummy pod setup because I don't need to carry extra weight by having a sleeping bag, pad and an under quilt. Great products! Thank you!
Most folks already have sleeping bags and don't need to make the invest in a top/bottom quilt set up.....like me. In my opinion someone needs to make a hammock that has the sleeping pad integrated into it, like literally a part of the hammock......not just the ability to accept or seat a pad into it, actually built into the hammock.
An underquilt should compress just like a sleeping bag. You'll also want to bring a sleeping bag or topquilt to keep you warm, since an underquilt will only insulate your underside. Be sure to plan accordingly when calculating how much space you'll have in your pack.
what you need is a closed foam.pad... wide enough to wrap around your shoulders... ive used that setup for 11 years and i hammock camp in 15 degree weather with no issues... the closed foam.pads dont slide around... and black all cold air from underneath... and are far cheaper than any $1000 under over quilt setup... that never keep you warm in really cold weather anyway
Great question! The underquilt hangs below the hammock, so your body weight is on the hammock, not the quilt. If you stretch the quilt too tight, this can compress the insulation. But our underquilts have a differential cut so that you can't over-tighten the outside of the quilt like that. Does that make sense?
I just can’t sleep “jackknifed” like that, I’m older and it hurts my calves to stay in that position. So an under quilt is out for me. I have to sleep Asymmetrical, so I have to use a bag and a pad. I have a Cocoon and it just didn’t work.
Bummer, too bad you didn't learn the correct lateral angle from pros like Shug: ua-cam.com/video/za0IHsG4Nf0/v-deo.html Actually, I love my Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite Small (20 x 47 inches) that stops at my thighs so I don't have to constantly fight the pad trying to get straight up in the middle of the hammock at my feet all night. When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense to have a pad beyond your butt anyway - you only want the mattress half-full of air with all your weight on your torso, not leaving all the compressed air bulging in at your feet and head - ugg.
Yours are not designed for hammock use. I've even had one go flat and was still happy. However I'm a weekend warrior and Our winters rarely go to 20s. $200 is alot to put out. I'm sure your quilts are very nice. However I found most brands are out of my budget.
That one guy snuggled in the hammock the next morning is the very definition of a happy camper.
I attached Velcro to my sleeping pad and on one side of my hammock. It works a lot better for keeping the pad in place so it doesn't move around on you while you're sleeping. I hope this can help someone else. Happy camping. God bless and stay safe
Rich Schwartz great tip!
How'd you attach it to the hammock? sewing it on the hammock and glueing it t the sleeping pad?
or you could just use an extra wide closed foam pad... amd save your yourself a ton of money and hassle modifying your pad and hammock
The sleeping pad may not work as well as the under quilt / top quilt system, but it allows more flexibility. Some of the best campsites I have had have been in places where there was no place to hang a hammock. With the sleeping pad / sleeping bag / tarp / hammock system, I have the flexibility of sleeping in the hammock, on the ground under my tarp, or in a trail shelter. Yeah, maybe I wake up occasionally when I shift off the pad during cold nights, but that is not usually a problem during the warmer months. To have the same flexibility with the top quilt / under quilt system, you would need to carry a spare sleeping pad, which of course adds extra weight.
Just put your pad inside of your sleeping bag. I have an under/top quilt but prefer to go with the bag and pad for versatility...
I’ve been hammock camping with this exact configuration for the past 10+years. I use a tarp, sleeping pad, hammock, and a 30F sleeping bag. Been down to 14F like this and slept comfy. Took me a while to figure out the right setup though.
Finally landed on a 3” insulated pad with XL hammock. I’m 6’2” so the XL hammock is already a given. Anyway, my 30F bag I open and use like a top quilt. I leave the bottom zipped so it creates a “foot box.” With this setup, I’ve slept without a roof tarp down to mid 30’s F and was comfortable.
Camping any colder than that is just miserable in my opinion 😂 so I don’t need anything more than this. I plan on upgrading to a nice actual top quilt this year, but other then that… I’m dialed.
Awesome video though!
I've done this many times. I prefer an underquilt, but a pad and bag is just fine.
I got a Draumr, from Amokequipment and this thing is just a whole new hammok experience. I never slept this well in a hammok and i had 5 other before, slept over 150 nights. Just awesome work.
I have used MSS with insulated air pad but find a heat reflective wind barrier below the air pad helps - worked for me down to 8F.
Try and use some of the aluminized bubble wrap aka Reflectix in your mix below your air pad - also let a little more air out.
you want to take the pad down until it cups your body so it doesn't want to move and yet keeps the pad from collapsing.
Good idea!
I have been using a pad and sleeping bag combo for years. I personally use a big Agnes encampment bag. The pad is integrated into the bottom of the bag keeping it in place. My friends use thermarest foam pads and we all have pushed our set ups to -7°f.
You slept banana? (instead of diagonally). That's interesting. I struggled with a pad and sleeping bag in a hammock until I got a Warbonnet Black Bird XLC double layer. This has a footbox design that allows for a good diagonal position. My under-inflated Klimit pad stays in position in between the two layers of hammock fabric-solving the sleeping bag problem. What I think you may have discovered is that a curved (side to side) inflatable sleeping pad in a hammock gains a lot of stiffness lengthwise--allowing you to sleep banana. It might be interesting to make a wider sleeping pad with larger side 'tubes' that will further stiffen the pad and provide baby-bumpers to keep you centered. Thanks for sharing your investigation.
Used OV insulated sleeping pad in hammock and used a REI 55 travel sack. It has a drawstring on the bottom so I put the hammock through it. Good for Florida nights when it can get cool.
I have used a yoga mat type cushion. It helped but I kept having to straighten it out. So I put a couple eyelets on each end and now paracord holds it in place.
I also have a larger homemade mat that is set up to be corded to my hammock.
Great innovation! Thanks for sharing.
A thin, closed cell foam pad will be easier to manage in a hammock for bottom insulation. A sleeping bag will work great as a top quilt.........only zip up the very bottom to capture the toe box area and then use the rest of the SB as an over quilt or top quilt. Nothing beats the UQ for bottom insulation. I am a die hard fan of sleeping in a hammock and I love my down OV UQ and TQ.
Happy Hammocking!
Thanks for the support!
For a lot of years and still today I use a standard 1 inch thick Therm-a-rest mummy pad 1/2 to 3/4 inflated. By not inflating it all the way it will conform to the hammock and your body letting you have the comfort that only a hammock furnishes. For many years I used a normal bag and just unzipped it about 3/4 of the way so it formed a foot box. Later a regular quilt over me in cold weather and I tuck it in along each side. If you want to have the lap of luxury get a double bottom hammock and slip the pad between the layers. By the way I have found that only the double bottom hammocks are mosquito proof , the little darlings can't bite threw both layers of material.
Even in the summer I use the pad , I start out with it over to one side and early morning when I start to get a cold butt I slide the pad under me. For summer time camping ( Heck all year ) a hammock beats a tent 10 ways past Sunday. Even on rainy days I have a 10 x 12 foot tarp keeping me dry.
I am a novice to hammock camping, but have made it through 30 degree nights fairly well with an insulated mummy air mattress. I tend to roll around alot and am a side sleeper, so having to adjust my pad all through the night is a bit of a pain. Thought about buying a double layer hammock to help lock in the pad but I have recently made a homemade underquilt and have to admit it's much more convenient, even if it does take away my ability to sleep on the ground. Where I live there are plenty of trees so no problem.
I just spent a week in the BWCA in northern MN and my girlfriend and I did this tactic the whole week. I had a thinner insulated pad that was tapered while she had a pad very similar to the one in the video. I throw off a lot more body heat so it worked great for me especially since the pad I have holds air really well. My girlfriend ran into the same problem of rolling off the pad but slept well over all.
I'm just beginning with hammock camping so right now i think i'm just going to go with the pad but then eventually upgrade to a better hammock an under quilt a good tarp etc thank you for the info
I've got a really messed up back so started sleeping in my nice basement in a hammock 3 years ago.. I cut down a cheap yoga mat and use a lightweight sleeping bag.. I haven't ever slept this good and woke up not feeling stiff and sore.. I will not sleep in a bed ever again
closed cell pad under you. regular sleeping bag around you. Use a larger tarp to reduce cross wind (convection). I just did 25F that way. If i had an underquilt i could probably be comfortable at even lower temps.
I always use a thermarest sleeping pad in my hammock. Game changer. Gives you a much flatter hang. So comfortable. 100%
Hey Fred!
I hope i can bother you for a minute.
Was it a thermarest Z lite by chance? (I've got one of those, and don't want to buy an underquilt for budget reasons.
Absolutely, same here. And I use my 20° sleeping bag and just open the zipper and use it as an over quilt, no need to buy multiple bags or quilts.
do you use a thermarest z-lite , ridgerest or inflatable in the hammock? I have a thermarest ridgerest already but trying to decide if I should get a different style thermarest sleeping pad
I use a Klymit Static V with a Snugpak jungle blanket during the warm weather months. The Klymit is only 2" fully inflated but it works well and mine is not insulated. My hammock is a single jungle set up with the no see'um netting. If the temp plummets and I feel it I'll add an SOL Bivy (breathable) to my system. However, my winter set up includes the under blanket, top quilt and the orange/reflective blanket between the under blanket and a double hammock; the reflective side is always up. Yeah, CBS sucks! For next winter I will invest in your pod setup. BTW I like that puffy you were wearing...great color.
I’ve slept in my hammock at 10 below Fahrenheit with the Big Agnes q-core and the MSS military bags. I sewed extra tabs on the sides of the outer bag with some shock cord to slide the pad through to help keep the bag on the pad. Put that inside my bivy and slept great!
I found a thinner pad or a partially deflated pad curves and fits better. I’d also recommend a wider pad since shoulders can feel the cold too.
Good tip!
I use a Tenth Wonder hammock XL which is 2 layers and sewn a pocket in the hammock for the pad to fit inside to stop the pad moving around, It's very comfortable and how I camp 99% of the time I'm out.
Also I'm 6' and weigh 14stone and I've had no issues with any tearing, the pocket was sewn in using a sewing machine.
Yes, I have not used a hammock like that, but having the extra layer or pocket where you can place, or sandwich a pad seems like a great idea, as it should move less.
It would seem that if you had a zipper, or Velcro to lock the pad in that pocket, than it would be even more stable.
Klymit makes the Hammock V insulated pad with a non skid surface, and side wings that seems to be a good solution too.
I can't remember where, but I recall seeing a hammock with a pocket, that also had openings that allowed the wings on the Hammock V to pass through to block drafts from the sides.
I’ve been able to sleep with a 0 degree sleeping bag and a 1/2in sleeping pad in my hammock in -27 degrees weather and I was perfectly fine.
You can lay flatter if put the pad in at a slight diagonal. Nice video!
If you have a double layer hammock, put pad between layers, no sliding.
I was pushing the limits of my 20 degrees synthetic mummypod while in a hammock and decided to try to throw my insulated OV sleeping pad in there as well. The mummy pod was very tight with me and the pad but once I drained some air it worked great and I slept for 8 hours!
Also the mummypod kept the sleeping pad in place all night so that I couldnt roll off it.
Maybe some extra weight, but picturing that does sound pretty cozy!
FYI klymit makes a sleeping pad specific for hammocks that works very well they come in both insulated and uninsulated. Also I have used a grabber space blacket under me as well as a bottom quilt and this worked well down to 28f.
Michael gineo ENO (Eagle Nest Outfitters” does too. It even has removable shoulder pads. The Air Loft.
not gonna lie. its super weird seeing you in this environment but its done really well. keep it up. congrats on 10k!
It's a tad different from the suits and ties of New Zealand you know me from! Thanks for watching.
I would suggest sleeping diagonal, it gets your more flat and better sleep
my Hennessy double layer with the heat reflective bubble pad is super light and if added with a thin pad and then a regular sleeping bag ,I get same comfort and saved $300 in over and under quilts, maybe in weight too.... maybe if you make a hammock with a integrated bottom quilt ,all 1 unit , I might give it a shot because I got 4 or 5 sleeping bags and why spend more on quilts too?
Before the mummypod, I slept with a 1-inch mummy-shaped pad mostly inflated inside a mummy bag. It worked great and it is what I have my hammock-curious friends do to start out with gear they already have. I think the OV pad (4-inch) would theoretically work in a rectangular bag but even then, it may be too thick to fit the pad and the occupant.
i've tried this set up and my zipper kept catching and i got major claustrophobia. damn near threw out my shoulder trying to get out in the morning. still a good option though for people who aren't toss and turners like me.
I use a mylar lined blanket underneath my sleeping bag and it's kept me very toasty in thirty five degree weather. My whole living /sleeping arrangement weighs about one half a.oound and can be carried in palm of hand.
Excuse my ignorance as a lowly ground dweller, but wouldn't a top quilt with pad straps instead of a regular sleeping bag be more effective since it keeps you from shifting off the pad? I mean when I shift around in the middle of the night in my tent, my pad slides around but I move with it since I'm tucked into my quilt that is strapped to the pad...
Yes you are right, a topquilt would have worked better with a pad in this case. Riley didn't have one on hand when he decided to test this out!
Works really well with my DD Hammock travel, witch have an doppel layer
I have also used a pad in the hammock (your OV pad as a matter of fact). Temps were in the low 20s and i was using an aerie as an top quilt augmented with the Costco down throw. Recommend if using an inflatable pad in the hammock, dont inflate it as normal. Maybe to about 80% should be good. I slept very well but having the TQ/UQ combo is ideal for me.
Shane Barton it definitely did the trick for me. I've got to agree though I prefer TQ/UQ
A mylar space blanket or the like might do a good job of reflecting that body heat and beefing up the insulation of the ground pad with minimal weight addition even if held in place with pad straps.
Until I’m ready to invest in quilts, I use that exact configuration, my Marmot 35 deg synthetic sleeping bag, a silk cocoon liner, with my Thermarest NeoAir Trekker sleeping pad underneath. Works fine in temps down to 30 deg.
Now that is an intro !
Last year I tried out a Klymit Insulated Hammock V pad inside my double layered Warbonnet Blackbird because there was a chance that I might have to go to ground instead of hanging. I was warm enough, and had no problem with the pad sliding around because I placed it between the hammock layers. The problem I encountered was that I could feel moisture between my back and the pad, and it was very uncomfortable.
After that experience, I went back to using my Wookie underquilt, which is designed for use with the Blackbird. If I have to sleep on the ground, I'll just have to figure something out...
Good idea. I'm going to try it tomorrow night and get back to you with The results.
We look forward to hearing about it!
It will work if you have spreader bar for front and back
I've camped multiple nights in a hammock+sleeping bag\pad setup and yes, sliding off the pad is a pretty real issue as well as the pad not fitting we'll inside the hammock. That being said, it is very doable and I'll probably stick to it for awhile!
Tkim1999 I've had worse nights than on that pad! Bottom line is it was still way better than no insulation.
Great video as usual! Glad to see some new faces on the channel, keep growing!
Nice video guys, thank you!
4:52 is he using the top quilt and under quilt plus an inflated sleeping pad? how many degrees was that night? Can you talk about what brand/model is this topquilt and underquilt? :)
He was just using an underquilt and topquilt at the 4:52 minute mark. The gear in this video is all Outdoor Vitals brand, and the underquilt was an Aerie, with a LoftTek topquilt.
thanks, i am gonne try your setup on my next trip coming week, i will drop a airpad inside and on top the sleepingbag, what was the night temperature?
I ordered a 9" thick air mattress, 29" wide and 72" long. Can't wait lol
I used Horizontal sleeping pad, and it is 3-4" thick..and it makes more flat sleeping but i had DD jungle hammock ..so i wanted buy outdoorvitals sleeping pad but it is not in stuck..so i got different brand with vertical baffles, and it is about 3 " thick..and medium/wide..i am going to test it with my new outdoorvitals hammock/under quilt..will see how works..
I wonder if a double airbed would help? Wrapping around you inside the hammock to stop you falling off it. Just a thought
Air pads work better if they're tapered at the end, mummy style.
I would suggest that the sleeping pad be put inside the sleeping bag, in order to prevent shifting.
Also, Klymit makes the insulated Hammock V sleeping pad which is specifically designed to be used in hammocks, by spreading the hammock open, and it has a special non skid surface that keeps a sleeper from sliding around.
The Hammock V also has wings that come up along the side of the sleeper to block drafts.
For less severe temperatures Reflektix Bubble wrap that is sandwiched between layers of Mylar will also provide some insulation. It can also be cut to fit inside a sleeping bag.
There are also unique hammocks, such as those manufactured by Easy Hammock, a small cottage manufacturer in the UK.
Their hammocks have a fully integrated bottom insulation that is permanently sewn on the bottom of the hammock, and does not require any additional underquilts or mats, unless you plan to sleep below 20 degrees F, or -5 C.
I personally have had no problem sleeping in an uninsulaed hammock with only a 40 degree sleeping bag, down to 40 degrees F.
I don't find the claim that sleeping on your sleeping bag in a hammock eliminates all of your bottom side insulation to actually be true.
I have found that at least for me, if things get a little chilly at night, that simply putting on an insulated jacket with a hood, heavier socks, a cap, or long underwear quickly solves the problem. Usually only a jacket is required in my experience.
One simple fix that I did not mention is to simply add a thin sleeping bag liner to the inside of your sleeping bag. The liner, unlike the sleeping bag, hugs your body tighter, and definitely creates a warmer micro climate for your body. A wool blanket would work too, though it adds extra weight.
I have not tried it yet, but I have the idea to simply hang a very lightweight reflective tarp like the Arcturus Heavy Duty Survival Blanket - Insulated Thermal Reflective Tarp - 60" x 82" underneath my hammock like an underquilt.
This unique blanket features a Mylar reflective side which can be used to reflect heat, and create a radiant barrier. The other side is made of two layers of polypropylene, and can serve as a blanket, tarp or shelter.
After suspending the blanket under, and around my hammock, my hypothesis is that the Mylar will reflect my heat back to me, and the outer will as as a wind stop.
This blanket comes in its own carry bag and weighs only 1 lb, measuring 5' x 7' when fully deployed, so very lightweight, and very inexpensive!
I'll test my hypothesis this year.
The OV Mummy Pod also seems like a good idea!
Hopefully these comments are beneficial to someone.
Thanks and Good Luck!
Ty for taking the time to go into detail... How did the mylar blanket work out as a underquilt?
I have a Green Hornet hammock I bought from Great Britain that has a double layer bottom with a slot to insert a sleeping pad or insulation... think the whole rig, hammock, mosquito netting, straps and postage was about $80. You can check it out on UA-cam.
That sounds like a great setup!
Many sleeping bags have a zipper that goes down to the bottom, of the sleeping bag, and at the end of the zipper, there should be a small opening which you could fit the rope to the hammock through; which enables you to use your sleeping bag as a pod-system that goes around the hammock (provided your sleeping bag is a bit longer than you usually need). I tried this tonight, and slept like a baby..!
I had 2 easily solveable issues with this. 1st was that i did not have any insulation for my head, but as i used a pillow, this was not a problem. 2nd issue was that when i tightened the sleeping bag to fit snuggly around the hammock and my shoulders, was that during the night, the zipper opened up from the tension. As i never use the zipper anyway, i think im just gonna sow it together in the top, so it doesnt happen again. Alternatively, you can use a safety pin to keep the zipper in place, so it cant slide down...
I recently made an underquilt and I have an extra long and wide and I think it's a good idea to get one of you plan on using it in the hammock to give more coveragr
Luckily I have hammock hooks in my bedroom so I can test out different setups before going out on trips
after tried use with my outdoorvitals single hammock, under quilt and sleeping pad here is the problem..i put air pad inside of hammock, and that time was not good idea...sleeping pad turned 90 degree almost when i was trying sleep plus makes hammock not to deep and middle of hammock made a line....so next time i will try it put between hammock and under quilt..that way maybe better works..and not fill air full inside of air pad..i think that time can give more flexibility..will see...why i want use sleeping pad? it makes more straight sleep type..and allows me sleep on back or side..if my outdoorvitals Hammock is more wide than would be more easy..not sure..i think one of problem is side of hammock edge are don't have any material inside to hold straight from head to end..like under quilt has and it is vertically/horizontally allows you tight or lose the quilt..if you guys make similar system for Hammock, that will be better i think..
We typically use a top quilt and an underquilt. You shouldn't need a pad with that set up but they work in a pinch.
If someone has already invested in a nice down sleeping bag, just open up the sleeping bag and use it like a top quilt. The downside is that you're carrying a little extra weight. Add the underquilt and you're good to go.
Fred D definitely an option! Would love to test it out
Yeah, I did this for a while before I had money to invest in it. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. Will just cost you some extra weight.
Fred D Been there. Done it. I woke up at 3:00am freezing my bottom off.
Then you didn't have an underquilt.
Nope. Just my clothes
I've tried reflectx (warm but crinkly), yoga mats (good, but take up a bit of space) and my Klymit inflatable pad in hammocks. They all work.. probably not as well as an underquilt, but all are much cheaper, and for someone who hammock camps only occasionally reasonable options.
I usually put the pad inside my sleeping bag...so far so good this way✌️
Try using a non-skid rug pad to keep the sleeping pad from slipping around. You can get them a Wal-Mart or Home Depot for a couple of dollars.
Having to buy a bunch of extra things pushes people away from hammocks. I picked up a hennesy because I only wanted to carry two pieces for my sleep system, if I'm going to carry more than that, I word just carry the superior weather camping apparatus, the tent!
Dan from GA under quilts... and it scares me that they aren’t laying correctly in the hammock
have used a pad in a hammock several times. it is a good option just slightly deflate the pad so it conforms better to the hammock
Chad Owens yeah I could have probably done with even less air in the pad. I was a bit paranoid for the first go.
For not so cold I just put my sleeping bag on the outside of hammock. This works best with a dual zip sleeping bag. I gather the excess above my head and secure with a hair tie. This creates the insulated space around me. If it is really cold outside I use a mummy bag inside the hammock with the other bag on the outside of hammock. Very cozy
In this hammock situation does synthetic or down insulation work better? Im thinking that maybe the syntheic will be a little mor e rigid and hold more air insulated.
Either one works pretty well, our down under quilts do a great job at keeping you warm. Synthetics work also, but weigh more.
Just got back from the Rocky Mountains and my Big Agnes insulated + Encampment 15 was not able to keep me warm into the 30s .. ended up sliding my whole sleep system into an e-blanket and woke up soaked in moisture. .. hahaha I googled to see if anyone had struggled like I did. I should have recorded the hilarity.
Nice hang yo👍🧘♂️
Since here in brazil we don't have vary cold nights, I use a sleeping bag in my hammock. Works perfect
Sounds like a great place to hammock camp!
Outdoor Vitals you are welcome to come at any time :) wild camping, some bushcraft... You will have a lot of fun here
My pad never slips. Works great I advice people watching to get a pad with the grove patterns to go width ways and not length as it creates strength width ways to prevent you getting rolled up in it like a cigar if you know what I mean
What if there was a hammock with a built in inflatable pad sliding off it wouldn't be an issue
Amok hammocks have exactly that.
If you have an underquilt what does it matter?
When are you guys getting your insulated long wide pads back in stock!!!
We'll have more in stock around August or September.
Thanks for the info
Is a pad or under quilt necessary for 50+ weather?
You might get away without one, although I would personally still take an under quilt or pad. If there's wind, it will still wick that heat away from you from underneath. If the temperature is 65-70 or higher, then you would be fine without one.
Outdoor Vitals Awesome thank you.
I love the videos, but find the lack of info on environmental/weather conditions bothersome. Although weather can be unpredictable, if you know what to expect and can be flexible with your setup you are usually okay. It would be helpful to know what the actual air temp, humidity, and cloud cover (for starters) were during the gear reviews that you post.
Great insight. We'll have to look into that more in our future videos.
I have switched from ground camping to hammock camping and use my mummy pod and I've been comfortable even down to the high 30's. I will add our 50lb boxer sleeps with me for extra warmth. I did try the mummy pod just as a sleeping bag inside the hammock and woke up with a very cold bottom. I like the mummy pod setup because I don't need to carry extra weight by having a sleeping bag, pad and an under quilt. Great products! Thank you!
Glad you are enjoying our gear!
What kind of underquilt is Carter using?
PMartin 924 that's an Aerie 20° down.
Nice watch what is its name
Most folks already have sleeping bags and don't need to make the invest in a top/bottom quilt set up.....like me. In my opinion someone needs to make a hammock that has the sleeping pad integrated into it, like literally a part of the hammock......not just the ability to accept or seat a pad into it, actually built into the hammock.
You ask, I deliver!
Superior Hammocks...Watch the video.
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So why dosn't an Under quilt compress like a sleeping bag ??
An underquilt should compress just like a sleeping bag. You'll also want to bring a sleeping bag or topquilt to keep you warm, since an underquilt will only insulate your underside. Be sure to plan accordingly when calculating how much space you'll have in your pack.
what you need is a closed foam.pad... wide enough to wrap around your shoulders... ive used that setup for 11 years and i hammock camp in 15 degree weather with no issues... the closed foam.pads dont slide around... and black all cold air from underneath... and are far cheaper than any $1000 under over quilt setup... that never keep you warm in really cold weather anyway
throw some good sized rocks from the fire under your hammock. this also helps with heat, and if you have a tarp overtop of your hammock.
Great tip, we'll have to give it a try!
I use a 2 metre roll of reflectix, never got cold again
I use something like that. Great for sitting in front of the fire keeps your back warm and the wind off.
okay, I will ask the 'dumb question'... wy doesnt the insulation in the underquilt get smashed down just as it would in a sleeping bag?
Great question! The underquilt hangs below the hammock, so your body weight is on the hammock, not the quilt. If you stretch the quilt too tight, this can compress the insulation. But our underquilts have a differential cut so that you can't over-tighten the outside of the quilt like that. Does that make sense?
It does. Thanks for the clarification.
I just can’t sleep “jackknifed” like that, I’m older and it hurts my calves to stay in that position. So an under quilt is out for me. I have to sleep Asymmetrical, so I have to use a bag and a pad. I have a Cocoon and it just didn’t work.
An underquilt is perfect for laying diagonally/asymmetrical. Just put it underneath you in that way.
Benedikt Lohmann Might give that a try, froze my arse off last night.
Someone needs to design a hammock an attached pad system (hint hint).
Amok hammocks have exactly that.
@@mikeskor6230 is it like built in, or do you provide your own pad?
why is there an invisible person in the background
Revisit this with the Hennessy hammock
If you have a sleeping bag you could just by a underquilt.
I sleep with a pad in my hammock, and it works well. I reckon i would sleep even better if i wasn't in Yowie (Australian Bigfoot) terrain👣🤭
Hammock + ZLite + Sleeping bag = litty
“Sleeping in a bag on a hammock is not an option.”
Hmm..
I sleep with an inflatable mat in my hammock and would not go without it.
A lot of people run this and this is a great option!
I tried my pad in the hammock with a sleaping bag and ended tossing it out about half way through the night.
Bummer, too bad you didn't learn the correct lateral angle from pros like Shug: ua-cam.com/video/za0IHsG4Nf0/v-deo.html
Actually, I love my Therm-a-Rest NeoAir Xlite Small (20 x 47 inches) that stops at my thighs so I don't have to constantly fight the pad trying to get straight up in the middle of the hammock at my feet all night. When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense to have a pad beyond your butt anyway - you only want the mattress half-full of air with all your weight on your torso, not leaving all the compressed air bulging in at your feet and head - ugg.
Bag packs where we safe on it
I want the harmonica to stop
Bring in the COWBELL!!!
Yours are not designed for hammock use. I've even had one go flat and was still happy. However I'm a weekend warrior and Our winters rarely go to 20s. $200 is alot to put out. I'm sure your quilts are very nice. However I found most brands are out of my budget.
what fuckin temps?
You have to sleep diagonally inside a hammock fyi
Different strokes for different folks.
My butt is currently cold
moran