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The Perfect Hammock Sleeping Pad?
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- The Perfect Hammock Sleeping Pad?
In this video I experiment with a new approach to my under-hammock insulation by repurposing a piece of kit I've had for some time into a lightweight, low bulk sleeping pad, did it work?
Watch the video to find out...
0:00 Intro
0:17 My hammock insulation struggles and experiment plan.
2:35 Experiment caveat!
3:54 The Perfect Hammock Sleeping Pad?
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What insulation do you use when hammocking?
If you don't hammock, then what do you use when ground sleeping?
Hi Craig, here's my tuppence worth!
I put foil mat in between the bottom layers of my hammock (DD Travel hammock). I put my Klymit insulated inflatable mat into the hammock, and generally use a quilt with a footbox, always have remained warm even in winter months. I sleep directly on top of the inflatable mat so it is easy to make any adjustments to it should the need arise, something that was very tricky when the mat sits between the bottom two layers as you alluded to. Prior to using my quilt, I had a heavy duty(2.2kilo) army artic bag with centre zip, again, no prob shuffling mat into position. I hammock camp with a group, some of who swear by underquilts, and I totally understand the logic, whilst another uses same method as me. Like you, my reason for using a Foil blanket/sheet is down to bulk and weight. So far (18 months of using) I have not experienced any issues with condensation at any time of year and I make a point of camping every month of the year.
I did once try putting my thermarest mat (slightly narrower and thinner than my Klymit mat) directly into my sleeping bag which also worked a treat, but I found that I had less wriggle room than I liked, hence the move to a quilt.
Keep up the good work, I'll await your winter update with your set-up!
Hi bluesblaster and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking the time to provide such a detailed reply into your own setup, I enjoyed reading it.
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I wasn't sure if I wanted to spend lots of money for a top quality down underquilt. I bought a full length cheap Chinese one from Ebay, then sewed 4 long baffles each side and stuffed it with good down from an old double bed quilt. Works a treat with minimal bulk (25 x 15cm compressed), could have made it lighter by removing the original cotton layer and using down only. In the process of making one for my wife.
I also take a small 50cm x 50cm cut foam sheet from a cheap camping/exercise mat, which I use as cushioning in the backpack and as a sitting mat, just to lay on under the bum/lower back area for extra cold nights in the hammock.
Hi wazoologist and many thanks as always for supporting my channel by taking the time to drop by, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for sharing your own experiences and setup. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already, I'd really appreciate it, cheers! 👍
Ooooh, thats an awesome idea!!
Thanks for dropping by and commenting it's really appreciated 👍.
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Greetings from the states. I use a similar approach. I have a DD Travel Hammock. I put a sheet of Reflectics between the two layers of my hammock. Reflectix is an aluminum covered bubble wrap used as a duct wrap in HVAC systems. I also use a inflatable sleeping pad inside under my quilt. On one side of the pad, I put some silicone to keep it from sliding around. This approach keeps me warm well into the lower 40's faranheight. Happy camping!
The bubble wrap Reflectix alternative works perfectly when placed under a cheap airbed in a tent. It's the bubble wrap element that creates the necessary air gap. A thin silvery sheet will do nothing on its own.
Hi Craig, A well-presented argument on his subject. This has been an issue for me as well. I like to walk on the long-distance footpaths around our green and pleasant land. I usually take a tent but have experimented with a lightweight hammock as an alternative where possible along the route.
Lying in the hammock to obtain a flat lay was awkward. I found the foam mat and an air mattress a pain (not at the same time) as I had to keep adjusting either the pad or mattress which made for a fitful night's sleep.
I have bought a "designer" insulation mat that has wrap-around wings that fit directly into the hammock sides to complete the insulation around the hips and shoulders. The DD Travel Hammock with that designer mat was bulky but light.
I am now experimenting with a very thin insulating/reflecting foil to place inside the double-skin hammock.
If that doesn't work will try to modify my Yank poncho liner to fit under the hammock or within the double-skin and see if that works!
Staying warm with the minimum kit but maximum comfort is certainly a brain teaser!
Interesting reading the comments from others on this subject.
Keep up the good work!!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for taking time out of your day to provide such a detailed breakdown as to your current practices and the challenges you're also trying to overcome.
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I tried a space blanket underneath my hammock, didn't work in cold weather, space blankets (radiant insulation) require an air gap to work, got my gap by putting some leaves in a trash bag and stuck it between the space blanket & hammock. Moisture did collect in space blanket, poked a hole in the low point of space blanket for moisture to drain. Not my preferred choice for insulation, have a 20F down underquilt is my top choice, takes up a lot of volume so requires a bigger pack. I have a 40F synthetic underquilt I use in my summer setup.
Hi Mike, thank you for taking time to provide such a detailed breakdown as to how you've tried to overcome the same challenge.
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Works great , I use the same emergency blanket hammock camping .havent used it in winter but I'm sure it does the job just as well .
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Hi Craig, I met you at last weekend at the Bushcraft Basics course, just wanted to thank you for all your advice and support.
Top UA-cam channel matey!
Cheers
Ian
And I promise not to mention the "New, cheap tent you 'found' on ebay" wink wink! 😂
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Thanks for the video. I don’t use a hammock (my wild camping is in the mountains above the tree line) but I have a good inflatable pad with a decent R rating which is good for 3 season. When it gets really cold I bring a sheet of aluminium foil bubble wrap insulation to put under the pad. It’s used in lofts, garages etc for insulation and is like very thin bubble wrap covered in foil on both sides (it’s a few mm thick). You can get it in a roll 0.6m wide (about the width of a sleeping pad) in various lengths and it’s dead cheap (currently 25 meter x 0.6m roll is £15 on Amazon). It’s similar to the foil blanket you showed but maybe a little warmer as you also have the air in the bubbles. I’ve found it to be an excellent (and cheap) way to up-rate my pad for the winter. It packs down to a little bigger than your blanket, but weighs next to nothing. Best thing is that if you trash it, you just bin it and cut another length off the roll for next time!
Sounds like you've got a really good process in place there Neil, thanks for sharing that with us, it's really appreciated 👍. I've heard of this insulation type before but must admit to having never explored further.
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan Here in the U.S. it is sold under the name "Reflectix" and can be found at the big box home supply stores (Home Depot & Lowe's). I purchased a roll in 2018 & cut twi 7 ft. lengths which I taped together to form a 30 inch pad. I use that pad as part of my hammock under layer during cold weather hammock hangs. So far I've gone down to about -5 celsius. Recently I used it under my wife's air mattress to increase her insulation in a tent. I'm glad I made this pad. I got the idea from another UA-camr "Natures Hikes".
Very good information look forward to the videos when it has gotten colder to see how it works. Thanks again
Thank you much appreciated 👍. I've just got home from spending the last 2 nights out and it performed well again. Autumn is just around the corner though....
It's been 2 years, would be nice to see an update on this :). Good video, and what a beautiful place you live in!
Hi Kent, I actually moved from this area to North Wales not too long after this video was recorded.
As a result of this I haven't done any hammock camping due to the lack of woodland permissions in this area. Most of my time is spent up in the mountains where the lack of trees present a real challenge when it comes to putting a hammock up.
Hi Craig, I just discovered your channel and I'm finding your videos informative and fun! I don't have much experience with reflective blankets, but I've read that they work best when there's an air space of about 1 inch between you and the blanket. So when you try it in colder weather, instead of putting it between the layers of the hammock, you might try suspending it under the hammock like a typical underquilt. I have one of those blankets; I think I'll try it myself soon. Thanks for the idea ... and may the Forest be with you. :^)
Thanks for your comment some time ago and please excuse the delay in my reply.
Did you experiment with this yourself?
Normally I dont use anything under me. If its very cold I have tried the sleep mat idea but the bugger kept moving about. The best thing I have used is my poncho liner, laid between the layers. Insulated well and did not move over night. Regards JB (Allan)
Thanks for sharing your own setup Jim, much appreciated 👍.
I have a poncho liner kicking about somewhere, although I suspect it's in a packing box somewhere... 🤔
I just subscribed. Is there a follow-up to this video in cold weather (45-55 deg. F.)? I'm trying to avoid the traditional under quilt option because of bulk, cost, harder to hang, and only one use for the extra weight. Many thanks. Cheers.
Another great video. 👍
Thank you very much mate, I really appreciate your feedback 👍
Hi Craig,
I've used a hammock a few times over the past few years and have struggled to find a lightweight affordable substitute for an under blanket I managed to borrow for my first camp. I did find a bivvy bag could cut out some of the draft chill but it wasn't perfect. I'd love to try out this method. Do you have any info on the safety blanket? Brand or size specs etc.?
Love the channel.
Hi Jack, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
There is a link to the UST blanket in the video description on UA-cam, I hope it helps with your research.
Stay safe 👍
Playing catch up on your videos . Thanks for the adventures and smiles . Never tried the hammock but on my list still . Off subject have you ever tried a Pie Iron?
+Steven Eugene You're very welcome, thanks for watching.
I have no experience with a pie iron.
I prefer the underquilt approach but like you said, it comes with the bulk
Hi Rob Slagle and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and share your own setup and experiences - it's really appreciated.
Ive just aquired one of those for free as well. I dont see the breathability being an issue if its simply underneath you.. im curious to hear what you found in your trials of this idea. I considered using it to replace my poly tarp ground mat for my oilcloth tarp setup... but never considered using it for my hammock. Pls. Let me know how you liked it.
another reason I like this solution is that an underquilt is a single use item. With a pad like this it can also be used for sitting on the ground comfortably
I use both, a reflective blanket like yours and a quilt but I'm not sure that the quilt is working as intended more as a wind blocker.
Great work on video mate greetings from spain 👍👍👍
Thanks Dean, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Don't forget to subscribe if you haven't already.
Stay safe 👍
Hi, Please could you keep me informed on how good the space blanket is in the colder months?
If I ever manage to get out during lockdown I'll certainly give it a try out!
I have tried on my balcony🤗 during summer but used some clips to hold it below but it s a struggle cause I sleep diagonally on the hammock. It s Better for my back
What is better jungle bag snugpak or defense 1 carinthia 🧐🤨
Hi Jack.charles Chaumard and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and share your own experiences and setup, it's really appreciated.
I don't have a Snugpak or Carinthia so I don't have any comparisons to make I'm afraid - the jungle bag has the advantage that it was free 😉 BUT it does have to be very warm.
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Coincidentally enough I was playing with one of those shortly before the UK heatwave and my first impressions were favourable. I'm not a hammock man as a rule, but lately have been dipping in. Definitely worth further experimentation I'd say. Be interesting to hear your views later in the year. Mine's similar to your one but a different brand (Grabber emergency blanket I think; came from Amazon)
Hi JeepsterDave and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and provide your own setup and experiences in this area, it's really appreciated. Roll on the cooler months for some more experimentation....
I put both the thermarest xtherm and xlite in my dual layer blackbird together and it works great
Thanks for sharing your own setup David, much appreciated 👍
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Hi there , Tried a few options so far .. truck windscreen protector works well essentially heat reflecting bubble.. but it’s bulky..... how did your space blanket goin the winter?
+Tim Dent Hi Tim Dent and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment - it's really appreciated.
I never got round to trying this setup during a winter as I moved house over the Autumn /Winter of last year so I had other things vying for my time.
How does the reflective blanket work in colder temps??
It worked OK but led to condensation.
Looking forward to a follow-up
I used the double sided foil bubble wrap at 7deg with a. Pat 90 arctic bag. I got condensation. Now going to try insulated self inflating air mat from Aldi £14
Thanks for sharing your own setup Alan, much appreciated 👍
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The Bushcraft Padawan i tested a number of different set-ups with varying outcomes. I’m trying not to have the expense of an underquilt for my hammock. Next is to add zips at the foot and neck of my long pat 90 and turn it into a cocoon. I’m trying the pad as I want to be able to go to ground when there are no trees. I’m still a noob. Good luck with your trials. I did find wool blanket to be ok. I already subscribe.
Yeah I agree with your point about the pad working both on the ground and in a hammock as opposed to an UQ only working in a hammock. Like you, I also like to keep my options open. Thanks for the sub 👍
I have a Hennessy Asym Explorer Deluxe and first tried the Aldi self inflating mat, it worked great at insulating me but it did move around all night and was a pain in the butt. I now use a down UQ I made myself.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your own experiences and setup, it's much appreciated 👍
Hi Craig I have various synthetic underquilts they are fairly heavy and bulky so i modify or make a lot of my own equipment my best underquilt so far I made from a Costco down blanket there are lots of UA-cam video showing how to it wasn't very expensive packs down small and is lightweight when it gets a bit cooler or rainy season or when you get a bit of spray in the air I've made a nylon over cover and that also makes it a bit warmer I do like to ground sleep to depends on the situation
Hi kevin outdoors and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for sharing your own insights and experience, it was interesting to read.
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A Wooby fulfills all Of these Needs.The one I sleep with is two Woobys Sewn tighter thru The reinforcing Edge.warm and Light th as You Need.Have Used as Under Quilt and on. Ridge line.Enjoy.
Hi.
Great vid.
I was insulating my garage door with that sort of stuff,a few weeks ago.
I knew that aI would be going bivvying,so I saved a bit to put in my bivvy bag,under my sleeping bag,on Crooks Peak,up on The Mendip Hills,only last weekend.
Good stuff.
And can be bought at Homebase and those sort of outlets.
Regards
Hi Soggz, thanks for sharing your own experience in using material such as this. I hope you enjoyed your night bivvying?
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@@TheBushcraftPadawan Yes. I was partaking in the Guinness world bivvying record attempt organised by Russ Moorehouse.
I myself have just bought a Solognac hammock and Tarp combo from Decathlon, but have yet to use it yet.
Regards
Liked and subscribed.
Going to try this as currently experimenting like you. Tried a wool blanket, bivi bag and the sleeping mat.
Did it work?
The Bushcraft Padawan only managing day trips at present due to work and family but fingers crossed for a trip soon.
@@devon_adventure8044 I'll keep my fingers crossed for you 🤞
Hi Craig! Cool (warm) idea. Now I am curious to see if it works in colder weather. ATB André
P.S. I'm sleeping on the ground. :-)
Hi Andre Börsch and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment, it's really appreciated.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and thank you for the positive feedback, roll on the cooler months!
Did you try it out in cooler weather . you said you would and you would make a video about it in colder weather
did you try it out in cooler weather ? if so can you tell your viewers how it went in cooler weather
what temperature will one still be comfortable in if we try this method
Whats the name this insolate pad? I want to buy in ebay
I must admit that I don't recall where I got it from?
Hi, I am curious do any of you suffer from a damp back when you use a hammock with a sleeping mat
Not to date, but I've only used it in warm weather so far.
I used my DD frontline xl hammock with under quilt and the DD mat. The first night wasn't so bad but the second night the back of t-shirt was damp to the touch. This was late September. I will have to try different combinations as I have a 5 day bushcraft course in April.
No time like the present to get out and try this idea out. I'd sooner carry my DD underquilt and keep insulated from underneath, safely knowing that I'll be having a, warm sleep. Sometimes you have to sa rifice a little bulk for comfort and getting a good night's sleep when out is essential
Yeah I agree Steve, a good night's kip is essential 💤. If I can achieve it whilst keeping bulk to a minimum - even better 👍
Stay safe buddy
I have a Hennessy Backpacker Ultralight and started with closed cell foam mats. In warm climate verry sweaty in cold weather Ok but not comfy. Soon or later you will invest some money for a quality underquilt. And a UQ protector to keep the wind and drift out. I got me a gramxpert uq made of climashiel apex, down is not a good choice for me in damp climate with mutch rain. Combined with the original hh uq protectot it is near to perfect for me.
Hello! My friend, thanks for the good content. Thanks for sharing!I support your channel. Sincerely, Natalya
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ok, what's the deal with it in the winter now???
I've no idea tbh as I haven't been out and about for quite some time due to lockdown and some personal/logistic reasons that I outline in my latest video (out later today).
@@TheBushcraftPadawan thx alot for the update! would be great if you keep us informed here at the comments!
kind regards
I thought the Thermarest was foil lined , if so couldn't you just put it between the 2 layers without blowing any air into it at all ?
Hey Andrew that could well work! I'm just mindful of the relatively narrow width of a Thermarest compared to the 'full hammock width' of the survival blanket - one to experiment with 👍👍
@@TheBushcraftPadawan If it's flat , maybe it wouldn't move around .
Shane @ Isle of Wight Bushcraft went through a similar experience, he chose an airmat with horizontal tubes rather than longitudinal tubes.!
Not 100% this solution will work coming into winter. 👍🏻🤔
Hi Michael and many thanks for taking the time to drop by my channel, watch and comment - it's really appreciated.
As September / Autumn creeps closer I guess I'll be finding out before too long.... 😉
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Ok option as a radiant reflector groundsheet. The orange ones are worth the money even with poor reviews for longevity. Green ones are well overpriced if you do need to be camo. As a hammock underside, surely you don't need the orange waterproof tarp layer? Those double sided aluminium reflective mats are even cheaper and offer a little more warmth for the bulk/weight.
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your own perspective on this, it's really appreciated.
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I use a Hennessy 4 season kit with a mylar blanket underneath. The mylar gets quite a lot of condensation when it's cold. Previously have used other mats including several from TAR - condensation always seems to happen, inevitable I believe with the temperature gradient
Thanks for sharing your own setup and experiences, much appreciated 👍.
in my Hennessy ill run a thermarest closed cell foam pad with holes punched in every valley to help mitigate condensation, down to about freezing. below freezing it is too much condensation to deal with for me also seems to be the limit for the pad, thinking about building a fleece sleeve for the pad to fight both those issues. i definitely prefer the foam pad overall to an under-quilt for versatility.
You can tie a Poncho as underquilt under your hammock
Thanks for sharing the tip. Would a poncho provide that much insulation I wonder?
Try a pad cover to prevent movement. I use a pad, always.
Thanks for dropping by I'll give your suggestion a try...
What are you 100% certain about ? 5:59
That I'll be trying out that mat again in the future, I thought the video made that pretty clear?
In New Zealand we have high climate variation but when it gets cold just throw a sheep in 🤣🤣🤣
That would work! 🐑💤
@@TheBushcraftPadawan when it gets below zero we use two sheep.
Will not not work on cold nights.
Ah! A double negative, so it will work!? 😀
@@TheBushcraftPadawan Lol - ‘fraid “not”…entirely my bad…;)
Not a good test.
Good test.
In a prior video you complained the pad would slide all over so you hacked an over quilt to sn under quilt . Now you are back promoting the pad . Am i missing something? Or are you
Fickle?
Yes, yes I am 😉
This isn't a sleeping mat, it's just a sheet of reflective material so doesn't tend to slip n slide so much.