People Are Very Upset About This
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Josh Kerr Interview here:
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Why doesn't world athletics just start a media network in house. Sell subscriptions, and cover as much athletics as possible. I would watch a lot more if i could see what i wanted when and where i wanted it. I bet other media organizations would invest in getting that set up.
Man they can’t even post a full race on their UA-cam channel…even when the race lasts 6 seconds. World Athletics isn’t helping the sport gain exposure like they could be.
@@Triekki Fully agree. 😔🥺
Very good idea. They could make it a lucrative as tennis and cricket which are very boring sports. But I suspect it would be like a government marketing campaign. Fail from start to finish 🤷🏼♂️
They sell the viewing rights to try make more money I guess?
@@TriekkiOf course they can but putting full races up on UA-cam for free devalues the broadcasting rights.
This is their "winnings" not "earnings" most of these would have endorsement deals that would include bonuses for winning
The prize money should not br anything to do with this consideration
Still, too low, 100k is nothing compare to significance of such achievements.. I'd say these "Numbers" MUST BE multiply by 10 at least to make any sense..
@@skybiz4520well wrote a check my friend. It doesn’t come from nowhere unless people are saying TV and ticket sales could actually pay such an increase which I didn’t hear him say.
@@skybiz4520Nah.. not that much. Maybe $250-500K. Some athletes would bankrupt the system with that much for every new WR. Some athletes are already taking advantage of it by just going hard enough to barely break a WR so they can keep doing it over and over again to milk the system. I would maybe support a one time $1M first time payment.. then $200K every time after.
FYI: In Belgium Doom's name is pronounced more like "Dome"
I heard a Spanish pronounce it Doh ohm.
Yeah. The earnings are complete garbage. These World Class Athletes deserve much more.
Why?
@@user-bh9vf2zu1r what do you mean why? Do I need to explain why we need money?
Why? I will tell you why in 2 words. Commen sense.
It cost a small fortune to pay for years of training and coaching to get to the top level of individual sports.
so how much merch did u buy? none ok, but u went to the meet and paid admission right? also not, hm i wonder why there is no money to be paid out, guess next time will be different
Advertising is what funds sports and there's a big difference between track and darts. It's way easier to market beer and junk food with darts. You can literally win a dart championship while drinking a beer and eating Doritos. Maybe they need to add the beer mile.
That's so depressing.
Don't forget cornhole. There's a pro league for it. You could exchange "cornhole" for "darts" in your post and it would still be correct.
you are so wrong. darters arent allowed to drink on stage. they even have doping control. you are talking about advertising, advertising goes hand in hand with viewers.
why are the best speedskaters in the sprint only getting 5l for becoming world campion
Being British I didn't even know what cornhole was. I've just looked at the World Champs. Interesting. Rather like petanque in a way. @@crosslink1493
Whilst I love athletics and watch most of it, the fact is that most people don’t. Therefore advertising and sponsorship revenue is small, hence small/mediocre prize money.
These seems obvious but people never seem to get basic business.
I feel the exact same way. It's business, and there is simply not a big market. I say the same thing about female sports, but people insist i am sexist 🙄 No, i am just a realist.
But more people watch it than darts
Josh Kerr is the new Megan Rapinoe, if you don't like your pay get a different job, don't complain to the world that's just embarrassing
@@gideonparry5684 That is true, so there be some reasoning. I guess there is a huge disparity in costs of running the events. There are also huge numbers of athletes compared to darts players, and the “also ranks” all have to be paid something. We’ll never see the financials but would be good to know!
Bol and Doom probably got less than 10k for their 4x400s as the team consisted of 6 athletes (for the Netherlands, I am not sure how many the Belgians replaced in the final).
It's all relative. How much money is being generated by the sport itself? There are a lot of people that complain that the WNBA players make so little compared to the NBA but the objective fact is that the league does not come close to generating anywhere near the revenue needed to pay them a similar salary as the NBA players. Does the indoor running championship generate enough money to warrent paying them more?
Exactly. The people complaining always compare "how hard I work" or "how elite my performance is".
They (almost) never have the humility to realize, yeah NBA players make $50 million per year, but the NBA generates $11 BILLION.
Premier League stars like Kevin De Bruyne made £20 million last year, but Manchester City generated £1 Billion, etc.
Don't compare your "worth" as a person against someone else. Compare your MARKET VALUE in the context of your sport's earnings.
Thank you, more people need to understand market value.
Maybe it is because not that many people could watch, like I mean if the world athletics association was trying to make money, it would have been pretty obvious.
They def make enough money
Track & field as a whole has been struggling to get athletes paid decently, especially on non-Olympic years. Imagine being an Olympic sprinter, yet you don’t even make more than a minimum wage worker. Many pro runners have to rely on a second job just to afford competing in meets
For a fair discussion I think you need to look at the lower earnings here too. How much does an athlete earn who reaches the finals, but doesn't get a podium place, for example?
TBH, in the USA T&F has been dying a slow death. Its being dropped at a lot of schools in my area (college, junior college, and some high schools, too). Very little television coverage, if it is its on a PPV cable or streaming service. And a newer contributor in my area is the lack of field access; all the T&F facilities in my area are at schools and are closed up tight when school is not in session, and that includes over the weekends. That motivated kid who wants to do off-season intervals, practice hurdling with his/her homemade hurdles, or some shot put or discus technique practice is out of luck.
I dont know where you live, but it is growing in my opinion
I agree, I work in the schools and there is so much pressure on kids to excel academically that it seems like if you aren't naturally gifted in T n F then it isn't worth all the time and work. I talked to a high schooler and he said he didn't schedule a lunch period because he wanted to take as many courses as he could.
At first I thought about Fenke Bol’s prize as “great, $100k” but that’s just because that’s a lot of money in my country. But putting it into perspective, the amount of preparation it needs to be put to break a world record and to be a high performance athlete in general is a very costly business, so probably you lose more than you win if you are not sponsored (which is my case and for a lot of athletes I know). I think that track and field is brining a lot to the table. The shoes being sold for famous runners using it, lots of influencers brining attention, etc. Right now I think the prize is just unfair in comparison with other sports. I hope it changes for better
if u knew the sport well u would know all wear nike anyway because they are the best, no advertising money need to be paid, and normal people dont give a fuck what brand shirt some random runner is wearing, have u seen any "merch" besides maybe Bolt, no, case closed
@@macaddict1337 I know my sport very well and I’m talking about an athlete expenses as well as what this sports brings to the table. For example Alphafly 3 and other supershoes sold out really quick just because kipchoge used them, but at the same time a lot of runners will be unable to afford them. Remember we also need supplements, vitamins, physiotherapy, etc.
Your key word was business.
This is not sport.
In college-my gf was a Nike sponsored Olympic Marathoner( placing 10th in 2:27)
She made 455,000.in 9 yrs as a pro.
She won many marathons,typically getting 25K plus a car.
Trust me bro---this is insanely HARD work.
Training twice a day, going to the gym,getting a physio& message therapist,podiatrist, constantly napping & sleeping in recovery mode.
Not to mention crazy strict diet & a monastic lifestyle. I did exactly the same minus being sponsored & or doing marathons.
No this isn't a lot of money----She had to clear each & every purchase through the governing bodies to remain within the rules to retain amateur status..... which to me is a HUGE joke!
On 1 hand athletes need paid,however flip-side when Avery Brundage reopened the modern Olympics in 1896,he did this for AMATEUR ATHLETICS.
So....... can someone please explain how an athlete getting multi- millions in appearance, prize winnings & endorsements be in any way shape or form an AMATEUR???????????????????
Hi. You mixed up a few details. The modern Olympics were started in 1896 by Baron de Coubertin (Not Avery Brundage). They were also in Metrics which is why since 1896 everything in World Track and Field is in metrics. Somehow the USA never got the memo and have attempted to retain old British Imperial measurement system and have had to been dragged screaming into metrics for World Competition. They still run many meetings using yards, feet and inches for Field events and some track races! Crazy, eh?
What you described re "amateur" status took place in the early 1970's. I was competing then and had to go through the same crazy situation re finances. But since the late 1970's, ALL Track and Field athletes are simply regarded as Professional and ALL compete in Open Grade. There is no such thing as "Pro events". (There was an actual Pro circuit back in late 1960's/early 70's but it failed) Yes, some individual Countries tried to retain control over their athletes by putting restrictions on their income status but all that garbage was dropped when the International Federation recognised that athletes had a right to earn money from their sport.
Even back in the 1960's there were ways that Meet Promotors would provide $ funds as prizemoney and expenses, to get around the "amateur" tag. So I don't know what time period nor Country you are talking about but athletes have been "Professional" and able to receive sponsorship, prize money, endorsements since the 1970's. Almost 50 years!
I have noticed that USA talks about runners going "Pro". That is completely misleading as ALL Open Grade runners are effectively Professional. If they are good enough, they get sponsorships etc. A small few are even invited to join certain Clubs that pay a lot of their expenses, so I surpose that's what they mean by Pro.
"Trust me bro this is hard work"... also "napping, sleeping, ..."
I agree that the athletes deserve so much more, especially as a fan of the sport myself, it definitely seems low. However, Track & Field just doesn't have the mainstream audience that top team sports and a couple individual sports (like golf and tennis) have. Even some of my friends who are multi-time Boston Marathon qualifiers and love running/racing themselves have no idea who Jakob Ingebrigtsen, Femke Bol, or Christian Coleman are, as they don't follow the professional sport. Some of them could tell you every name on the starting roster of their favorite NFL or NBA team, however, despite not playing a single down of football in their lives or only shooting hoops every now and then when they were younger. Since there's not as many eyes on the sport, sponsors are not as willing to dump as much money into the sport, as in the end their goal is to make money and for them to pay the winners of these events say $400,000 instead of $40,000, they would end up losing a lot of money which would upset a bunch of shareholders of said companies. This is just basic economics. There have been some NFL and NBA players who were also top T&F athletes in high school, and likely had the talent and work ethic to become top T&F athletes. However, they happened to be top football and basketball players as well and therefore concentrated on those sports so they could gain WAYYYYYY more money and fame.
I used to do Crossfit and I've had this same discussion with the Crossfit community regarding their low payouts to elites in the sport (similar numbers to T&F indoors).
Unfortunately, these smaller niche sports are always going to have a smaller audience composed mainly of people who participate or have participated in these sports (or adjacent ones. I've only run 5K's up through marathons, but still love the sprints and field events, as well as ultrarunning). The only big mainstream exposure one can get is at the Olympics, hence why Usain Bolt is a household name in most of the world and has likely made money similar to NBA, NFL, and/or European Football players. This is why it can be extremely devastating for a T&F athlete who just barely misses out on going to the Olympics as that is often the only opportunity for a T&F athlete to be noticed by people outside of the niche dedicated fanbase like all of us commenting here belong to.
The reason people don’t know names is because the coverage is so bad. The coverage is bad because people don’t know names. It’s so terrible cycle but it can be broken.
In fairness to your friends that run Boston they very well may know who the top marathoners are in the world. Track and field and running long distance are apples and oranges. Completely different sports.
To be honest I had no idea that track and field had a prize purse. Makes sense, just never thought about it.
The payments to golf, soccer, racing drivers, boxers and American football/baseball/basketball players are astronomical. Totally insane, particularly when compared to sportsmen and women in tough sports like triathlon, rock climbing, athletics. P.S. sepak tekrau should be an Olympic sport. P.s.s. I know of a 99 yr old woman who swam a 1500 meter competitive swimming race - without stopping. Now that's true athleticism.
At the end of the day it mainly comes down to one thing. No one cares about indoors. Many of the best don’t even compete in indoor. Outdoor is substantially more popular and what athletes truly care about.
Really?
@@basengelblik5199 yes
It's bizarre to me that people enter a competition that simply doesn't make much money and then others wonder why they aren't paid more. Where exactly is the money supposed to come from?
NBA players sign 38 million dollars contracts literally every day 😂
Because they have thr viewership and fanbase to justify it. Even non basketball fans know who Kobe Bryant, Lebron James or Michael Jordan are.
Ourside of Usain Bolt, your average person wouldn't have a clue who Jakob Ingebrigtsen is or Femke Bol.
who signed a 38 million dollar contract today then? and who was it yesterday?
Very few people watch track. It's the reality. If athletes bring in more eyes, prize money can go up.
I'd assume more people watch track than darts though. I didn't even know their championship was televised.
Its all relative when you consider Femke was paid $100K for 4 races at approx 50sec per race. So $100K for 3min20sec indoors. That's a pretty good rate compared to other sports. Take away the world record and its $50k. I wouldn't think that's something to complain about. Just my opinion.
She had to run a world record for half on that money. Now, how many times an athlete is capable doing that during her or his entire career? This is chump change in comparison of some mediocre player in the MLB. Track is very popular, last year they sold out every day in Budapest, then there are the TV rights, sponsors, etc. They make plenty of money but it is shit what they pay out. Some of the suits are making a shitload of money without lifting a finger.
@@coolgabe64 Like I said, its relative. She will continue to earn prize money during the season & other earnings through sponsorship. If you're comparing prize money, compare it with another individual sport. I'm not sure what the prize money is for other individual Olympic sports. I'm not against them earning more though.
You're only counting time at the meet. What about the all the laps and gym time during preparation. It's like the arts. All we value is the final product.
@@truslu1 Its Prizemoney for a meet that's the topic here. You're correct that I'm not taking into account training. Sponsorships/contracts/funding will take care of time spent training for those that have them.
@@dabbler3785 I don't see how the preparation work can be separated from the meet.
You are forgetting that the Dutch 4x400m relay squad consists of 6 members, as there were 2 women who competed in the pre lims and thus contributed to the win. Usually, they also get medals, and they will also get a part of the prize money, as without them, the team would not be in the final.
3:30 Regarding the comparison to darts, it looks like the cost to run that event is way less. A track meet with all the professional cameras, electronic timers, officials, etc., has to be way more expensive. The cost to run an NBA game is probably less than this track meet.
In athletics the money is made on the Diamond/Golden/Whatever league, the olympics and world championships are there to see who is the best. If you are a world champion or olympic gold winner (or even a medalist) you can command higher payouts from the league meets than if you are just "some random". Payouts for world championships seem totally fine considering all this.
well from a business perspective the overhead for darts vs track and field are worlds apart. the money that goes into production has to factor into it
They should give the same prize money as for outdoor World Championships (which is exactly the double for individual and even a bit more for relay races (88'000$ instead of 80'000$)
There's no freaking way that Darts is more impressive or interesting to people than watching the the most world class athletes of Track and Field. Follow the money. See who's pocketing what at each step in the transactional trail. Thanks for at least pointing this discrepancy out. I'm very interested in how the economics of the sport goes - still in the dark. I'd love to see a deeper dive. Good work.
When I was young, athletes were not allowed to earn any money if they wanted to compete in the Olympics. In our country (Belgium) we had world class athletes like Gaston Roelants (gold in Olympics Tokio 1960 steeplechase and World Record Holder in steeplechase and 20K), and Emiel Puttemans (World Record Holder 5,000 m outdoor and 3,000 m indoor. Also silver in the Olympic Games 1972 Münich). They run in the winter crosscountry where they won prices like furniture or kitchen equipment, but no money was allowed. Also when they want to change their club, they where not allowed to run for a whole year, like Roger Moens who was the World Record Holder of the 800m. If you compare this with soccer players like Kevin De Bruyne, who plays for Manchester City, but can go to Saoedi Arabia where he can earn 70,000,000 € a year, or with the best golf players!!!
To have an educated opinion on this issue you have to take into the account of viewership, sponsors and so on... A sure way to increase athletes' payments is to bring more eyes to the show... The advertiser team have work to do so more people can watch the best of the best perform
10k for a Bronze medal?! 1 monthly salary of a random manager in the US?! Woooow
That username really fits with your lack of understanding.
@@DrZaius3141 Explain, please?
I ran track in HS and found out I didn't have a lot of lung power but we had 3 guys who really had a lot of endurance. They ran in their freshman and part of their sophmore years and then quit. They say the 2 hardest sports in HS are long distance running and wrestling so in my limited experience all I can think is if the money was huge there would prolly be a lot of talent that would come out of the woodwork.
People work every day, in all weathers building roads and sewers. On oil rigs and cargo ships all around the world.
On garbage trucks every morning starting at 5am or earlier.
On farms, no matter how the weather to provide all of us with food.
These guys and gals, who can run fast - mainly through genetics... seem to be earning a good amount to me.
Total purse for the Tour de France is also $2.5 Million, and it's 2,000 miles long. As with Track & Field, it's not the only race of the year.
As a darts expert I would also point out that the purse is split between far fewer athletes in darts vs athletics.
The winner of the darts got £500k and the runner up (who was 16 years old btw) took home £200k
However, darts is a much more popular sport than you probably think. The final had 3.5m live viewers.
My cousin was an olympic weightlifter, He said if he had to do over again he wouldn't. It wasn't worth his time financially. The only consolation is after your career is over maybe you can market yourself to a big company but if you don't have that ability you just fade into oblivion.
It's indoors. I haven't heard of anyone focusing all their efforts on the indoor season. Everyone waits for the outdoors.
Indoor tracks are also a novelty for the large percentage of the world. The World Indoor Championships feel like a competition between the Americans against the Europeans. Continents where there is enough money to build something like indoor tracks.
ADVICE TO MOTHERS OF ATHLETES: Have your kids do any other sport besides track!! (Grossly underpaid athletes!) Even mediocre athletes if baseball, basketball, football, etc., etc. are millionaires in their 1st year or 2.
As all of sports, this is pure business. If the only competition that has a little of follow on a global scale happens every 2/4 years, the income is much lower than other sports that take place every day or every week. Despite all of this, athletics is the most sacrificed sport and they deserve much better.
On the positive side: there is no discrimination against women in the amounts. The rules and amounts are uniform.
Prize funds are always contingent on how much money the event makes, and who it is that is "supposed to" pay them. Yes, it would be nice for track and field events to draw more spectators and thereby have greater prize funds, but the literal entertainment value and revenues determine prize funds, which is usually why most men's sports pay more to the athletes than women's sports. Again, the money has to come from somewhere. For instance, the sport of chess is much less of a spectator sport, but there are people who donate large sums of money for the prize funds. The value of anything is equal to what people are willing to fund and/or pay the athletes.
Roger Bannister ran the first sub 4 minute mile for NOTHING. He trained while studying medicine. It was all amateur in those days. We had to retire from athletics in our early twenties to make a living. There are still lots of athletes who opt out early and get a "proper job" or still work at qualifications for the future while competing.
This tells me most professional athletes as in soccer, football, basketball, baseball and hockey are overpaid. After all, they are just entertainers. Think about the 1st responders and their salary.
Whoever draws more bums on seats, TV rights revenue, event sponsorship, etc., can afford to give decent payouts to their participants.
World athletics needs to up their game commercially.
As much as I wish every athletes are happy with their pay outs, they must have known ahead of time what the top prize was going to be. Everyone is responsible for their risk management.
Crazy ..crazy /. Crazy .. they should add more..
100k according to Dutch tax rule that government will cut half.
Closer to 40% tax, I know because I do this for a living.
And there are ways around all of this with smart contract with sponsor deals.
Did somebody says a 100.000 dollars a week is garbage. You must be tripping
When you have great athletes in the US dying with nothing or can’t afford medical treatment that won’t gold medals for that country, definitely the money for these events should be way higher.
Why doesn't World Athletics promote and cover as much athletics and sports as possible? Subscritions, merchandise, coverage, there is so much potential left.
Even though Doom is a sick name in the way you said, in Belgium (in dutch) it is pronounced not with the oo of 'zOOm', but with the o from 'Open' or 'clOsed'
Because hardly anybody watched the world indoors. I wasn't even aware it was holding till I saw some UA-cam clips and even with the event holding it felt like a 2nd tier or 3rd tier Diamond League meet.
This is why Jakob Ingebrigtsen from Norway didn't compete here. The calculated how much money they could earn versus the risk of doing it, and concluded that it was not worth the risk. It's better to home the top form for the summer season, and stay on top of the training. When jo look at Josh Kerr, it makes more sense, because he need som price money this season in order to fund his training regimen and that with some one the other people, but if you calculate that it is 60 percent chanse of Gold, 20 percent a medal of another collor and 15 percent chance of injury in an olympic season with pennies for prize money, then its noth worth the risk for him.
Some sports don’t have prize purses at all or it’s almost more like an honorarium. Check out how little gymnasts can earn at the world gymnastics championships. An all-around 1st place winner, which means achieving the highest score across all events gets about $2000. First place on a specific event gets $1000. For an intricate and difficult sport like gymnastics, it’s outrageous. I don’t know if what track stars get is too too much or too little, but I’m pretty sure gymnasts would be over the moon with a prize purse of $100,000. Darts however, ridiculous. It’s not even a sport, but it is male dominated. There you go.
Even professional cyclists, at least those on the UCI World Tour teams, who are overall some of the most underpaid professional athletes (except for the top 5-10 in the world), tend to be paid more than professional track athletes, but their business models are so much different that it's like comparing apples to oranges. Cyclists require large corporate sponsors to fund their teams for both their (very expensive) equipment, their support staff, and their base salaries. The money for winning races or other competitions within the races (King of the Mountains, sprint points, stage wins, etc) is very low for what is required. Athletics participants tend to rely on individual corporate sponsorship, in addition to appearance money, and then of course prize money for wins and records. Both of them, though, make much more than rowers or ultramarathon/trail runners. It seems that the more demanding the sport, the less financial opportunities there are.
Awesome
Not every athlete can be a world beater but they all put in lots of hard work and stress on their bodies to just represent and make the fans happy. It cost alot to deal with injuries properly too. These prizes are not good.
its quite simple. as long as the public does not watch it a lot there wont be big funding. The average person simply does not care about track and field and the salaries of the athletes will be in proportion of this interest
The darts tournament had a bigger purse mainly due to the PDC Chair being Eddie Hearn (and previously Barry Hearn his father) who have marketed the hell out of it to make it more of a spectacle, just as Barry has done with snooker, which has brought more sponsorship money in. Athletics maybe needs to look at itself and see if they want to go down that route, as ultimately this world indoor is something very few people really care about.
I would think if you're running a world championship, and an athlete breaks a world record, you should pay them quite a bit more. I would think more like 500,000. This might be the height of their career for many athletes
I agree with @Robert_McGarry_Poems I think that 100, 200, 400 are #1 events at flats and hurdles. Then 800 and 1,500 are #2 events. Imagine a day of that with the best of the best. I would like to see an 800m hurdle race, with jumps spaced at 100m race distances, that last 100m would be epic!!
If athletics teaches us anything, it is that life isn't fair. I don't care how popular track and field is in Europe, it's not given a second thought in America. I ran track and cross country in high school, just as millions of American boys and girls have. But their association with track doesn't stick with them into adulthood except maybe for the Olympics every four years.
The price money for the relay i hope is not split between the four who run the final but among those who also run the heats.
Same goes for cycling, where the business model is sponsoring and the price money is generally a bonus. It might have to do with where the profits of tv broadcasts go: not to the athletes, not their teams, but the organisers and the venue owners.
I made $800 bucks in speedgolf last year! We had a prize purse of $5,000 for the US Championship, and I think/hope this year's World Championships in Tokyo Japan has 10k on the line!
I wouldn't mind seeing them make more, the constant training and dietary routines and expenses have to be pretty high, kinda like mma fighters. Setting a record should garner WAY more in most all the events. Dude just breaking the polevault by 1 cm at a time for 10 years was a bit much. But the rest of the events rarely see records, let alone world records.
Sports betting. Sports betting is your difference maker.
Some correct me if I'm wrong, but you can bet on T&F outside of the USA. And I'm sure there will be betting lines on all the Olympic Athletics/T&F races this summer.
sadly also causes massive financial problems for lots of people
Track and field is a still a niche sport outside the Olympics. Start with the amount of money that gets absorbed in useless administrative and middle management positions. You’ll free up a lot more money for athletes.
This is an issue that both Kerr & Ingebrigtsen can find common ground on. Pay these athletes more for podium finishes at major championships and bonus pool for World/Stadium and Meet Records. Find more revenue sources and corporate America can lend a hand with sponsorship and advertising dollars.
Indoors should be half outdoors imo
Hopefully athletes had sponsors
Yep, absolutely garbage earnings for such amazing athletes who actually do pull insanely good numbers.
Were the world indoors broadcast in the US by anyone? I know Peacock does a lot of track and field but not sure if they covered this.
Far too low - make some monetization system where we buy a subscription for $10/month to world athletics, and we get 15 tokens or whatever to watch the coverage of events. a full field event's coverage costs more tokens (i.e., 5 or 10), sprints cost 1, and distance costs 2 or 3.
The Darts comparison ist Just crazy, espaecially as there is just one Event in Darts (i guess) an there are at least 20(?) in athletics
Sport is something most people do for fun. The only reason some people get paid is because other people are prepared to pay to watch.
I would like to see some information on how much revenue the entire event had before I made a judgement.
Say the total revenue of the world indoors was $5M-$8M then a $2.4M prize pot isn't so bad but if the event brought in $10M+ and the athletes are getting less than 25% then they are definitely being underpaid.
Sports are businesses after all.
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I think it''s quite low, especially considering there is more than just individual money going around, yeah 100k for femke, but she also has to pay a trainer, she also has to pay for other things, like i doubt the full 40k from the relay will actually and up with all 4 getting 10k, there has to be some money going to other people as well (and whatabout the part where there were 5 participants in the 4x400 race? Lieke didnt participate and thus her spot was used by... someone else (im sorry i forgot who)... she also has a right to the 40k total!)
thing is, Darts is a massive series system, they have a lot more oppertunity to save up money, just look at these championships, here in the netherlands we only had 3 evenings of 3-ish hours of competition, during this there were quite a few events but thats it.
thats not a lot of hours watched and with barely any ads played during the competition there is little money to be made (or reason for a highly paid contract)
now take darts, multi-week event where the battles between 2 players can easily end up in several hour broadcasts full of breaks with lots of ad-space there
additionally, track and field... atleast here in the Netherlands... is A LOT less populair to watch than Darts, which imo comes down to 2 factors, one being that its just... waaaaay too much athletes to follow at once, and second... it's just not broadcast as often. frankly speaking, outside of the big championships i would rarely hear about track and field, and before Femke Bol and Sifan Hassan became a thing, i would only hear about it during the Olympic games (and frankly i would either be dissapointed in the lacluster showing of my country OR would be pleasantly surprised)
The fact that the winners of he men's and women's tennis grand slams and the golf grand slams (US$3mil) are total more than the whole prize pool for the world indoors! That's absolutely bonkers!
The earnings are low, but indoor is always the forgotten sport in athletics. For example in the US across all NCAA the total number of participants in indoor track is just over 13,000 while outdoor track is almost 19,000 athletes. I’d say it’s safe to say that participation in indoor track at other levels is even lower in comparison to outdoor track. Indoor track and field ks fun to watch, so maybe it will gain in popularity over time.
It’s simply reflective of how much money the sport brings in. The NFL brings in crazy money, so can pay crazy wages. Track and Field, not so much. That’s reality.
I'm genuinely shocked. I never thought they would make this much.
That's not a lot by a longshot lol.
Imagine how much it costs to reach this level, from trainers, to equipment, to facilities, to doing this full-time... It's very expensive. And we're talking about the rewards of the top 3 winners with world records, not the others ones who likely made far less.
Read an article in Belgian news saying Doom's take-home money will be more around 38k instead of 50k, because yeah...taxes.
I think what athletics needs to go to get bigger prize pots is to actually increase the appeal of viewership. As a sport, athletics is hard to watch in a bar or pub. There where a lot of people will casually watch a sport in a pub. If a sport can't be put on in a bar, it gets viewed less and sponsorships will be naturally lower.
I think people really under estimate how popular darts is as a sport. It's viewership is actually quite high. There are regular competitions, it's easy to watch, it's quite difficult, but relatavle and is the perfect bar and pub sport. I'm not surprised it gets paid more than athletics.
The more people give a f*ck about what you do the more money you will make. That will essentially answer almost every question you have regarding how much someone will make. Not all, but most.
I have a tv box that gets so many channels, and I still have a hard time tuning in live to these events. They need to expand their network and allow more eye balls to access this content.
Honestly, business idea, they should do a partnership with you. You share the time table of the event, key events and athletes and where we can watch.
World athletics really needs to increase the marketing of the world champs
You have to track all the sponsor money and the amount of people that have to be paid for their jobs within an organisation!!
I'm pretty sure that in athletics there are way more people involved and much higher rental cost of venue and materials to organise tournaments than in darts so there's simply more money left to distribute to the players in darts!!
A more valid complaint would to know how much 3rd or 4th place(presumably under 10K) in a World Championship made compared to a semi finalist in a major tennis tournament
Total amount of prize money for the Cycling World Championships is about $260,000. So close to 1/10 of the track and field prize pool. They only pay top 3, with the world champion earning about $8,750. The number 2 got half of that, number 3 half of what number 2 got.
prize money is determined by how many people watch it. instead of complaining, the governing bodies of these sports should advertise their sport
The TOTAL prize fund for the World Indoors is less than 1 WEEK's salary for Messi.
Messi may be the greatest footballer ever (certainly in top 5) but if an athlete breaks a world record they are by definition the best ever.
I do wonder what percentage of the total income of the indoor championships actually went to the athletes
Thoughts:
Things are worth what people are willing to pay.
If there is limited money from sponsors, TV rights, then there can’t be huge prize money no matter what we feel.
Darts has a huge following and has been really big on TV and at live events this year and sponsors have paid accordingly.
We need to move away from this notion of wanting to pay or be paid what we feel is right and look at basic economic principles.
It all comes down to how many people watch the sport. The more people watch, the more income the event sponsors make, the more the athletes get. I'm sure that during the indoor season, track and field gets a lot less views because it's not broadcast as widely as it is during the outdoor season, and thus I wouldn't be surprised if athletes make more money during the outdoor season.
One thing that bothers me is the poor and late information about the athletes, especially when and were they perform. Track events are presented a year in advance, but if you want to know who will compete, it’s nowhere to find. Only about a week before the event. Coordinating and publishing the athletes programs will generate a lot of attention in the media, but in my country the Dutch athletic organization fails hopelessly in doing so and I guess its not better elsewhere.
It's very challenging to appraise the value of athletes. There's no "right" answer. Though, it does SEEM that the more $ that gets entangled with preparation (e.g., gear costs, food, travel, promotion, etc.) for a given discipline or event, the more $ is generally expected for a top-level or world-leading performance result in return. More money input ought to beget more money outcome overall.
I do not understand why darts players should earn much more than track and field runners.
This money is not because you're an athlete but because the payments from people wanting to watch this (including television rights of coarse).
If tennis or darts players attrach 100 million people each paying a few penny in tv rights (by looking to advertisements) but the athletic runners , jumpers only attrack 50 million people (and even watching less advertisement due to the much shorter time such event lasts) there is less money to divide. Also there is only ONE darts winner (or tennis gs winner)...but for the indoors there are a lot of winners to be payed the highest price for gold. More winners = less money for each winner even if the amount of money available is the same.
The championship didn’t even make ESPN as far as I saw! If T/F is to go bigtime, it will need to hold the sporting world’s attention on every level!
What was total revenue? Profit? And athlete share?
It is way too low I’m running since 3 years working hard to improve my PB I just can imagine how much work this professionals athletes are putting in every year.
I'm curious how Track and Field compares to Darts regarding viewership, sponsorship/ad revenue, etc. On a worldwide basis, darts could be more popular for fans and advertisers for all I know. I wouldn't mind TRP include these details, now I'm just left guessing.
its not just viewership. cost is way higher to do a track meet.
Doom's winnings will also still get taxed in Belgium unfortunately
No viewers, no advertisers
the prize pool was definitely too low for the effort and dedication the athletes put into becoming the best in their sports