I was going to buy this firearm but now that I know about it's problems firing underwater I'll have to pass. I can't tell you how many times I've been ambushed underwater in the past by henchmen. So for now it's back to my trusty Walther PPK. Cheers and a good day to you gentlemen!
t4t4s0l likely not a real issue there either. You can probably count on one hand the number of times an average American infantryman has used his pistol in combat. The number of times a soldier has dropped their pistol in water then picked it up firing immediately to save their life? Literally never
@@mxxkxxg I think the overarching Idea is this: #1 while rare, it is possible. #2 there are much more survivable options out there. #3 there is no advantage to the 509 that makes up for this shortcoming.
This 509 is a beast imo, prob the best out of the box pistol, blows Glock away in every category, my trigger was fine out of box, up there with the P10 and Vp9. Sights and Grip better than glock.
I appreciate the honesty and thoroughness in your reviews, but with my lifestyle, I don't believe it will be a problem and have made the Midsize my carry. Keep up the good work.
Haven’t shot my firearm in the pool in awhile. Need to get the FN 509 out and do some under water exploring and target shoot. 😂 I do own the 509 and the midsize. Enjoy them both even if they’re not effective in the pool. Good review though but not a deal breaker for me. Back to under water pool training. 😉
Had a 509 for a while and it was a good gun. Once I decided to go with the P320 platform I sold it off. I used to run the FNS as well and it was a great gun in 40SW. I think the FNS, FNX and 509 are very quality built and would serve well. I also take into consideration the company's customer service. I always had great service from FN when needed.
I think this water test is a non issue whether you drop your weapon in a puddle or it gets ran over by a garbage truck in the middle of a firefight, If it doesn't go boom. Tap rack and go. There's a million reasons this could happen, getting submerged being the least likely. I bought the 509 as well.
Yup! This dude with his water guns! Like sean ryan a veteran seal not a water park security guard like this guy said “fuck all those stupid torture test!” “The real test are rounds through the gun!”
I can relate to his mentality here. My carry gun get all it's use in woods and along streams or other bodies of water. If I walk through a stream I'd like to know that my gun will go boom if I have to use it there. Knowing that a simple tap and rack will get it going makes me feel better. I've had guns that would need you to remove the magazine and rack the slide a handful of times to clear enough water from the channel. You'd want to remove the magazine so you're not throwing good ammo away. If all I gotta do is throw one live round out and the water is cleared out enough to go bang then I'll deal. Maybe I'll drill a tiny hole under the striker channel like Glocks have. Give it somewhere to push the water out of. Either way I'm loving the way this gun feels and shoots otherwise. So I'll make it work or make due. Since I'm 99% more likely to use it on an aggressive woodland creature than a mass murderer with a gun I'm not that concerned. I won't be falling into any lakes while at the shopping mall in the bigger city.
I own/shoot Glock 19, CZ P-10, Sig 320, and the 509. F&N 509 is the best out of the box in my hand. To be a finalist for the US military, should make a statement. I’m confident 3 years later there would be a different review. BTW, they all are great hand guns. It’s a matter of personal preference. I’m not submerging any of mine!
I've been carrying the original 509 for 3 and a half years. It's an excellent carry pistol. I do agree that it does have hydro lock issues when submerged. However, on one occasion I fired it at the range in pouring rain with absolutely no issues. I also agree if part of your duties is to patrol a park with bodies of water then perhaps it's not the best duty weapon. Gr8 honest review. 🔫 🇺🇸
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. You are great at making a presentation. Hope you are an instructor for your department. If not, you should be. Looking forward to seeing more of your vids. Thanks. Stay safe! 🇺🇸
I have all three 509 models and it seems that with each new model the grip texture is more aggressive. The texture of the midsize is the best of any factory (out of the box) pistol that I have shot or held.
Thank you.....very informative video! I own a FNS40 and a FNSC. I like both but I had to put a extended slide release on my FNS40 and you need to be a bodybuilder to rack the slide on the FN9SC. I bought the 9SC for my wife. I ended buying her a Walther PPQ9SC as a replacement. Numerous complaints and FN doesn't seem to care about the issues.
I don't make a habit of jumping in a pool with a gun on, nor do I think that the "normal" non-LEO person does either. I've heard about the water problem, and it holds about as much weight as a thimble full of water for me. In all the years I've been carrying a firearm, I've yet to get one drenched.
I have the 509 mid size and used to carry it all the time…..until, I’m a bit over weight and when carrying while driving I’ve noticed the mag release button will get pushed in sometimes and the mag would pop. It’s a great gun but I now carry my full size 1911 which is also a great gun.
I think the water is only an issue when you have the gun completely submerged. If your in a rain even a pretty good rain I think the gun would function fine. It's only when there is enough water to slow down the striker is when it will fail.
So we need to find a way to eliminate the water log issue. Maybe a modification to the striker or drilling a small relieve hole under the striker channel. Like Glocks have.
The water issue is not that a big deal for me, and in one of the tests I saw a Glock fail a couple of times too, but the weak striker is a real concern.
Thanks great video, i agree with your assessment for law enforcement about the water . For me its a home defence/range gun , im willing to bet its far more likely any gun will have a malfunction of any kind before my 509 malfunctions due to a water soaked striker channel.
Well, very solid review! You, Hickok45, Sootch00, etc.are in agreement regarding the trigger out of the box. Not a great trigger, until it gets fired to a couple hundred rounds. Everyone, that I watch says, "It feels like this gun just wants to shoot"? Guess, it has a mind of its own, lol! The water issue perhaps could be clarified, slightly? I'm in Florida, go into a store or restaurant or wherever, you come out into a monsoon! So you are soaked to the skin. Now, folks shouldn't really panic since your gun getting wet is different than being submerged in water! I held off on buying a 509 or FNS 9 because of the size. Yes, FNS 9 does come in a compact model, but I don't care for the large mag sleeve built into the FNS 9 Compact, but that's me. The other TWO downfalls on ANY FN carry pistols is spare mag prices and no real Customer Service! The gun has an issue you, "Pay the bill""! Shipping and most the time the repair bill itself! This is primarily due to the fact they service military and law enforcement worldwide, so a single customer, oh well we are NOT their, "Bread and Butter"! Colt isn't much better! Great review! Thank-you! Best to ya',,,,!
Notice: this truly is an awesome gun and I don't intend to "sling mud" (or sling water in this case) by any means or devalue those that use this gun. I do feel that it is important to note the issues that I had with this gun to give you a perspective as an end user of this weapon. Depending on your own carry situation and environment the issue I pointed out may not be a big deal. As a LEO around a lot of water, it is an issue for me so take it within context. Either way, this is good information to know if you happen to carry this weapon. I also did a full water test on this gun, which can be viewed here: ua-cam.com/video/9wkQ2NOE7Rs/v-deo.html
Hey J helmsing watching your review now i havea few fns9c and a fns9 i also own a 509 509 tac and tons of glocks. Appreciate the honesty Also a leo in DC . You can get a variety of sightsfor the 509 any sig #8 sights fit on them i currently have some on mine. Also trigicon makes the hd xr sights. Thanks for the video
@@boomee78 yes, in my experience a Glock may have 1-2 bobbles without maritime cups out of 10 cycles, which is acceptable and on par with most other striker guns I've tested. The 509 midsize, however, had 8 light strikes out of 10 which is proportionally more. It's not 100% of the time, but it's pretty often. Compound that with the fact that FNH doesn't have a "fix" for the issue like the maritime cups and it should be something to consider.
I tested my 509s in a water bucket. Probably took me a second or two to get the gun out and raise on target. I've never had an issue with hydrolock, but my 509 does have a water channel hole under the striker channel. Maybe two or three seconds is enough for the channel to drain.
@@MossyOakFreak good to know! I figured it would drain pretty fast but didn't time myself to see when it would clear out. I just pulled it straight out and went to fire the gun in this test.
Hmm...would clearing the round by racking the slide clear the water log? If so, I might just just rack the slide after coming out of the water and a Achilles heel becomes a 1 round penalty.
Most fire striker pistol have a difficult time shooting in submerged water. The only reason glock does well, is because the have their own protection technology called maritime spring cups, to get some help with the water issue. No other pistol provides that. I own glock, and fn 509, both have pros and cons, 19x malfunction under muddy water. Watch videos on it. I love both equally. Just be a cool guy and carry all 4.... -g19x -fn 509c -cz p10c -ruger lcr 9mm revolver 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great review J I was really looking forward to the updates w/ the compact. I like this gun but with the water problems I wont buy it. Lazy on FNs part honestly, this isnt new information they should have fixed that...
@Chef Di no such thing guess you’ve never watched torture tests. Even the almighty Glock has failed some of those tests. Anything can fail if you put enough stress on it. In a perfect world your theory would work but that’s all it is theory.
Ive shot my 509 tactical plenty of times in the rain out at the range... worked just as good as any other day. Now i havent stormed the beaches of Normandy yet were id be jumping off a boat swimming onto the beach head and slaying Nazis but ill consider switch pistols now when that day comes thanks your video.
Kinda like you said at the end, not a recall cuz it's not not.sl operating condition. I've sot it in the rain and no issues. Being totally submerged for a short period of time is what'll do it. I guess in all reality you never know, but I'm not too worried about it.
I had the same problem with mine and the yellow spring, if I use the stock spring that issue went away. That is the reason the 509 was "oversprung" to resolve that issue so some maritime cups would be an easy fix I'm thinking...
The big problem is that I believe an entire striker redesign would be needed. The striker does not ride inside the spring as on most other guns but rather the spring rides inside the striker. There are no spring cups.
@@jhelmsing Sorry that didn't come out quite rite, that was just an example of what to add if possible to resolve it or a similar design change that wouldn't break the bank.. If not, the heavier spring (original stock spring) in my case works just fine. The other possibility would be to maybe slot the stricker with channels to allow the water to clear easier..
@J Helmsing, does your 509 Midsize have the new FN OEM striker installed (resembles the Apes replacement striker)? I am curious if the new striker addresses only the breaking issue, or if it also addresses the water channeling issue.
I really want to see the FN509 midsize sitting next to the FNS9c and the comparison between the two! I have the FNS9c and the regular 509 and I am wanting to upgrade. :D
For the people making fun of the water thing... I fell into to the lake yesterday accidentally... my Glock 43 that I was carrying would work after that if anything had happened.... I’m must pointing out that this is a more realistic thing than people give it credit for. I love FNs, but he’s right, you never know what will happen.
Don't drop yer FN in the best Belgium beer - Duvel 666. You wont be able to shoot the bartender. But seriously, great real world information Jay . Poor engineering of the striker channel and slide drainage. Your observations are valid. 👮♂️🚨🗽✌️🎯🇺🇲
Knowing how FN treated its FNP customers when they tried to get a known faulty design fixed under warranty I dont think I can invest in an FN handgun....not to mention the polymer problems I experienced first hand with my FNX45T.
What exactly was going on regarding the issue FN knew about but treated it’s customers like trash? Shiite like that really pisses me to the line and I am about to have to file a warranty claim on a broken rest/striker on 509Tac. Damn the gun fit so nice, but you have to be able to shoot the damn thing. God I hate that trigger, like they didn’t know it was gonna be crap before they sold it to us already has me pissed cause it’s a shitty trigger, well the for the first 10-30 shots it’s fired before it broke that is…
I have been concealed carrying for the past 12 years and have not once come across a situation where my gun has ever been dunked or covered in water. The most it may ever see is some rain or snow. I do not see this as a problem for 100% of people that are just using this as a concealed carry gun. Maybe its not a good choice for the Seals but for the rest of the population this is a non-issue.
I give up 🙄 check my other video for an idea of just how bad this pistol is in water. I've also thoroughly stated that I'm a cop and that I've had my duty gun fully submerged more than once. If you want to risk it, go ahead.
@@jhelmsing I have watched your other video. I'm not defending the gun don't own it and won't own it. I was just trying to say that the normal person this will not effect. Good videos and keep up the good work.
I don't meant to come off as a jerk so please don't take it that way, I just want people to take that comment within the context it was intended. You are correct that for nearly all CCW purposes it won't matter.
The other channels just regurgitate the same text that they hear from other silly channels. They don't read the Operator's Manual, they don't lubricate the pistols, experience operator errors. Just junk. This is sober, factual, practical, mature reviewing. ✌️
I have an FNS 9C and I have to tell you, I feel really iffy everytime I go scuba diving with my SEAL buddies. If I come out of the water and have to engage ISIS, I am a little nervous, like, do I have 2 seconds to let the water drain out of my striker channel?
Make sure you are careful with what ammo you feed your FN 509c MRD with. Bought mine last month, 2 weeks later took it to the firing range for the first time and the frame/handle cracked. Sent it to FN and they said "sorry for your luck, must have been your ammo, warranty denied." Was shooting factory federal HST 9mm +P's and it was evidently too much for it. Wont sell me a replacement frame etc, its either buy a new gun or nothing. Retired LE after 35 years. Was using duty ammo that my glock 17 had no problem with. Totally disgusted with the company. Really really wanted to like this gun and maybe I just got a fluke but after this I will never buy another FN.
Dude that’s awful and F ed up for sure. I have one , virtually a half a box of use but it’s a few years old and long story why I didn’t send it back right then. But yea, it needs go back to factory for warranty and I have my fingers crossed no BS Happens..,. So what happened for you in the end? Did they finally change their tune or stick by their guns on denying you the warranty that you were certainly entitled to??? Curious on how you turned out. Cheers
I have not shark hunted with a pistol for like 10 years maybe...so this ‘fatal flaw’....has zero effect on me, I mean...REALISTICALLY, how often are you going to get your gun THAT wet....seriously! A little water is A LOT different than submerging it in water...I HIGHLY doubt that even super heavy rain would even effect it.
FN usually doesnt have major flaws so its extremely rare for FNs and S&Ws to have 1 specific flaw but FN and S&W period are good Pistol companies i do FN S&W and Browning to be exact for Pistols im wanting a FN 509 and FN 45
You did a good comparison to the Glock. However, If I wanted a Glock 19-ish (standard compact size poly-striker) non-Glock, the prime alternative would seem to be the Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 Compact. That gun seems to have many of the same advantages as this gun (better ergos), but with likely a better trigger, and better third party support. Do you see anything about this gun that would recommend it over the Smith?
Between the FNS & 509, it’s all about personal preferences. The real only down side to either the FNS & 509 is the cost of additional magazines! So FN, if you’re listening & wish to sell more pistols in the civilian market, reduce the prices for your pistol mags!! John Q. Public finds pistol mags in the mid $40 range unacceptable
Great review , i had a g19 gen 5 but i needed to sell it at the time , i loved that gun so much because of the size and the sleek new black design on the slide , i wanted to buy a brand new glock 19 gen 5 , i was really decided , but then i saw this video and i am really thinking about getting the FN , my only question is , wich one is more comfortable to conceal carry ? , i compare both and overall fn is just a little bit almost anything more heavier wider and taller , does that make it uncomfortable?? i had the sig p320 compact and that one was really uncomfortable compared to the glock , can you give me your opinion on that
I honestly think they are about the same. The 509M carries very well and remindnds me a lot of the Glock 19. It definitely carries easier than the P320.
the vid was made 5 years ago....do you still have the same appreciation for the FN 509 as you did when you made the video? I am currently looking for my first firearm......trying not to just buy a glock like everyone else does
Now I’m not sure if I bought a more expensive model but mine has the trijicon night sights so mine aren’t just painted but mine looks just like yours I wonder if they changed it because people were complaining
Funny you had an issue with mag release, me too, but only when trying to drop the mag! Very difficult with slide closed! Easier with slide locked back? Thanks for reminding to un arm myself before bathing!!!
I have the 509 standard and I do get erratic ejection with 115gr. Should I change the spring to the yellow? Does the yellow recoil hit harder with 124gr or +p? Good video
Never dropped my 509 in a bucket of water and then tried to run it. I have smithing skills so if mine fails the water test I will have a solution by the time the sun sets tomorrow. The 509 midsize has way to many good things going for it to not correct the water issue if mine has it. I already completely polished my trigger group and am getting a clean glass break at 4.7lbs. I’m wondering if this water issue is something that’s happening with every 509, a few or just a single handgun. It’s been out long enough now that if this was happening with every 509 I would have heard about it by now I would think. I’ll find out soon enough.
anyone know if fn changed the locking block pin and polymer frame design interface to make the pin user serviceable and reusable in the midsize? I like the other changes to this gun, but that pin would be a big one for me to even think about purchasing this pistol.
Just when I finally decide on a gun, up pops something like this... It's not like firing after submersion would ever have even occurred to me, but it's not the best news. I would have thought the testing before they submitted it to the army would have included water tests? I know Hickok45 really likes it, and I'll basically just be plinking with it like he does, so it's definitely still a possibility...
I guess water situations are always a possibility, maybe more likely in police Duty, but I just don’t see that ever being an issue for me, but I do live in the desert. Pools are around but they idea that my gun is going to get submerged before a defensive shooting, very very unlikely.
@@brianjkeene is it the new one that comes stock? I ended up buying one, and pulling out the striker to see if I need to upgrade to the apex heavy duty anyway, but I saw it was a updated striker.
Do yourself a favor. 0000 steel wool on everything to do with the trigger. The drop safety and the guide for your spring. Clean it all really well when your done obviously. Makes a huge difference
Cool gun, but I just struggle to find a reason why I should buy it over other options. I know there's a lot of Glock haters, but I don't have any issues with my G19 besides the stupid half moon cuts (mine came with Ameriglo night sights). When I first started looking at guns I was really hung up on triggers but after a lot of dry fire practice and a bit of range time and some competitons I got to the point where I don't really care if you know what I mean? If I find a gun with a nice trigger that's cool, but I'm still going to hit what I aim at with a Glock. I would like to switch over to DA/SA guns eventually but right now stuff is so hard to find.
I can see how you could hit that mag release under recoil. I am a lefty and I rarely reverse a mag release. The only pistol I have had trouble with are the M&P pistols. 9mm, 45 ACP, full size down to Shield I have had issues with dropping the mag under recoil. While it has been more or less of a problem with the different sizes and calibers of M&P pistols (the .45 Shield being the worst) I have never dropped a mag in another brand of pistol with the right handed mag release. I can't explain it but just something I have noticed.
The thing is, so many reviewers griped about the stiffness and shape of the original 509 mag release that was purposely built to prevent accidental releases. Complaints how it was not the easiest to hit, having to focus to do it, change their grip to activate it. FN made the changes so we’ll see if the changes become the complaint now. At least J didn’t knock the gun for it.
Great video. My 509 midsize will be here Saturday. I think I’ll try dunking it and then shooting it and see what happens. Overall really looking forward to firing the pistol.
ok so if i'm swimming at the local pool and i just hop out ... rack the first round out before i hit the snack bar to shoot my way out with some nachos... smh ... people nit pick so much
I don't want no water gun! I dont go scuba diving! If my life was being threaten n for whatever crazy reason that I'm in a gun battle n i drop my gun in a puddle of water, im dead anyway...I'm more worried about defending myself n my family on land as far as under water, I'm dead anyway cause I can't swim .... lol..I'm thinking of buy the tactical model is $679 a good deal?
If it helps this was my first purchase. Definitely dont regret it. Love my 509 def recommend can be found slighlty cheaper than a glock i got mine for $530 brand new
Really informative review, sir! I have been on the bubble about acquiring the 509 mid-size for a while and this was very helpful. I have a question that you may or may not be able to answer, though. I have a CZ P-07 and I absolutely love literally every aspect of it. How do you think the 509 compares to the P-07?
What is the percentage of potential buyers of this pistol that are going to pass it by because it has difficulty firing after it's been submerged in water? A ridiculous baseline of function for 99.9% of us. Yes, and I think the Military Arms Channel "Torture Test" is a bit over the top as well. If I ever get killed in a gunfight in my house because I fell in a mud puddle and my pistol then failed to fire, I'll let you know. Then you can tell me "I told you so".
I was going to buy this firearm but now that I know about it's problems firing underwater I'll have to pass. I can't tell you how many times I've been ambushed underwater in the past by henchmen. So for now it's back to my trusty Walther PPK. Cheers and a good day to you gentlemen!
I wouldn't say firing "underwater" a much as firing after being submerged.
ye, for civilian use, no issue. But it was aimed for the army use, there it might be a problem.
t4t4s0l likely not a real issue there either. You can probably count on one hand the number of times an average American infantryman has used his pistol in combat. The number of times a soldier has dropped their pistol in water then picked it up firing immediately to save their life? Literally never
@@mxxkxxg I think the overarching Idea is this: #1 while rare, it is possible. #2 there are much more survivable options out there. #3 there is no advantage to the 509 that makes up for this shortcoming.
This 509 is a beast imo, prob the best out of the box pistol, blows Glock away in every category, my trigger was fine out of box, up there with the P10 and Vp9. Sights and Grip better than glock.
I appreciate the honesty and thoroughness in your reviews, but with my lifestyle, I don't believe it will be a problem and have made the Midsize my carry. Keep up the good work.
Haven’t shot my firearm in the pool in awhile. Need to get the FN 509 out and do some under water exploring and target shoot. 😂 I do own the 509 and the midsize. Enjoy them both even if they’re not effective in the pool. Good review though but not a deal breaker for me. Back to under water pool training. 😉
Had a 509 for a while and it was a good gun. Once I decided to go with the P320 platform I sold it off. I used to run the FNS as well and it was a great gun in 40SW. I think the FNS, FNX and 509 are very quality built and would serve well. I also take into consideration the company's customer service. I always had great service from FN when needed.
I am underwater as we speak
Lol
Never have I fired any of my guns underwater, so I just bought a 509 MRD. Love it.
I think this water test is a non issue whether you drop your weapon in a puddle or it gets ran over by a garbage truck in the middle of a firefight, If it doesn't go boom. Tap rack and go. There's a million reasons this could happen, getting submerged being the least likely. I bought the 509 as well.
Just bought one today. It's a beast
Yup! This dude with his water guns! Like sean ryan a veteran seal not a water park security guard like this guy said “fuck all those stupid torture test!” “The real test are rounds through the gun!”
I can relate to his mentality here. My carry gun get all it's use in woods and along streams or other bodies of water. If I walk through a stream I'd like to know that my gun will go boom if I have to use it there.
Knowing that a simple tap and rack will get it going makes me feel better. I've had guns that would need you to remove the magazine and rack the slide a handful of times to clear enough water from the channel. You'd want to remove the magazine so you're not throwing good ammo away. If all I gotta do is throw one live round out and the water is cleared out enough to go bang then I'll deal.
Maybe I'll drill a tiny hole under the striker channel like Glocks have. Give it somewhere to push the water out of. Either way I'm loving the way this gun feels and shoots otherwise. So I'll make it work or make due. Since I'm 99% more likely to use it on an aggressive woodland creature than a mass murderer with a gun I'm not that concerned. I won't be falling into any lakes while at the shopping mall in the bigger city.
Pick up my 2nd MRD today! One has the Trijicin RMR 2.0 the other the Dual Illuminated RMR by Trijicin. Great gun!
I'll remember to bring my spear gun instead of my FN when underwater firing...
Might want to carry it as a backup if you plan on using a FN pistol for EDC. Water allergies and such. 😂
What do u expect from a glock fanboy
@@Joetrout if thats what u think ur off by a mile
Yeah because that happens alot
I own/shoot Glock 19, CZ P-10, Sig 320, and the 509. F&N 509 is the best out of the box in my hand. To be a finalist for the US military, should make a statement. I’m confident 3 years later there would be a different review. BTW, they all are great hand guns. It’s a matter of personal preference. I’m not submerging any of mine!
I'm glad this model came out because it made the FNS go on sale:)
Exactly, and If you like 40 S&W, they are incredibly cheap!
I've been carrying the original 509 for 3 and a half years. It's an excellent carry pistol. I do agree that it does have hydro lock issues when submerged. However, on one occasion I fired it at the range in pouring rain with absolutely no issues. I also agree if part of your duties is to patrol a park with bodies of water then perhaps it's not the best duty weapon. Gr8 honest review. 🔫 🇺🇸
This is the first video of yours I’ve seen. You are great at making a presentation. Hope you are an instructor for your department. If not, you should be. Looking forward to seeing more of your vids. Thanks. Stay safe! 🇺🇸
I hear ya for the military submission part with the water submersion, but for the avg citizen, it's good to go imo.
Agree totally. I carry mine.
I have all three 509 models and it seems that with each new model the grip texture is more aggressive. The texture of the midsize is the best of any factory (out of the box) pistol that I have shot or held.
Highly recommend throwing a apex 5lbs trigger, its an amazing a addition. Then put a red dot and it becomes a amazing handgun.
Thank you.....very informative video! I own a FNS40 and a FNSC. I like both but I had to put a extended slide release on my FNS40 and you need to be a bodybuilder to rack the slide on the FN9SC. I bought the 9SC for my wife. I ended buying her a Walther PPQ9SC as a replacement. Numerous complaints and FN doesn't seem to care about the issues.
I don't make a habit of jumping in a pool with a gun on, nor do I think that the "normal" non-LEO person does either. I've heard about the water problem, and it holds about as much weight as a thimble full of water for me. In all the years I've been carrying a firearm, I've yet to get one drenched.
It will run in the rain so I'm good
I have the 509 mid size and used to carry it all the time…..until, I’m a bit over weight and when carrying while driving I’ve noticed the mag release button will get pushed in sometimes and the mag would pop.
It’s a great gun but I now carry my full size 1911 which is also a great gun.
It was ur holster most likely
I think the water is only an issue when you have the gun completely submerged. If your in a rain even a pretty good rain I think the gun would function fine. It's only when there is enough water to slow down the striker is when it will fail.
Exactly! All guns will fail half the time fully submerged! This dude watching too many movies or chasing bad guys in the atlantic!
Mine does
So we need to find a way to eliminate the water log issue. Maybe a modification to the striker or drilling a small relieve hole under the striker channel. Like Glocks have.
That's why I always carry hammer fired guns !! I also only use metal guns, cuz I'm old school cool !
The water issue is not that a big deal for me, and in one of the tests I saw a Glock fail a couple of times too, but the weak striker is a real concern.
..they said it was a islated problem.
I doubt water would be an issue unless just rain alone causes failure don't think I would drop it in a puddle.
Nice review as always. I have an FNS 9 and love it. I was thinking about the 509, the compact will seal that deal for me. S/F.
Thanks great video, i agree with your assessment for law enforcement about the water . For me its a home defence/range gun , im willing to bet its far more likely any gun will have a malfunction of any kind before my 509 malfunctions due to a water soaked striker channel.
Don’t fall for it! The 509 blows my glock 19 away
Well, very solid review! You, Hickok45, Sootch00, etc.are in agreement regarding the trigger out of the box. Not a great trigger, until it gets fired to a couple hundred rounds. Everyone, that I watch says, "It feels like this gun just wants to shoot"? Guess, it has a mind of its own, lol!
The water issue perhaps could be clarified, slightly? I'm in Florida, go into a store or restaurant or wherever, you come out into a monsoon! So you are soaked to the skin. Now, folks shouldn't really panic since your gun getting wet is different than being submerged in water! I held off on buying a 509 or FNS 9 because of the size. Yes, FNS 9 does come in a compact model, but I don't care for the large mag sleeve built into the FNS 9 Compact, but that's me.
The other TWO downfalls on ANY FN carry pistols is spare mag prices and no real Customer Service! The gun has an issue you, "Pay the bill""! Shipping and most the time the repair bill itself! This is primarily due to the fact they service military and law enforcement worldwide, so a single customer, oh well we are NOT their, "Bread and Butter"! Colt isn't much better!
Great review! Thank-you!
Best to ya',,,,!
Notice: this truly is an awesome gun and I don't intend to "sling mud" (or sling water in this case) by any means or devalue those that use this gun. I do feel that it is important to note the issues that I had with this gun to give you a perspective as an end user of this weapon. Depending on your own carry situation and environment the issue I pointed out may not be a big deal. As a LEO around a lot of water, it is an issue for me so take it within context. Either way, this is good information to know if you happen to carry this weapon. I also did a full water test on this gun, which can be viewed here: ua-cam.com/video/9wkQ2NOE7Rs/v-deo.html
Hey J helmsing watching your review now i havea few fns9c and a fns9 i also own a 509 509 tac and tons of glocks. Appreciate the honesty Also a leo in DC . You can get a variety of sightsfor the 509 any sig #8 sights fit on them i currently have some on mine. Also trigicon makes the hd xr sights. Thanks for the video
Do glocks run through thus test without the maritime springs
@@boomee78 yes, in my experience a Glock may have 1-2 bobbles without maritime cups out of 10 cycles, which is acceptable and on par with most other striker guns I've tested. The 509 midsize, however, had 8 light strikes out of 10 which is proportionally more. It's not 100% of the time, but it's pretty often. Compound that with the fact that FNH doesn't have a "fix" for the issue like the maritime cups and it should be something to consider.
I tested my 509s in a water bucket. Probably took me a second or two to get the gun out and raise on target. I've never had an issue with hydrolock, but my 509 does have a water channel hole under the striker channel. Maybe two or three seconds is enough for the channel to drain.
@@MossyOakFreak good to know! I figured it would drain pretty fast but didn't time myself to see when it would clear out. I just pulled it straight out and went to fire the gun in this test.
Hmm...would clearing the round by racking the slide clear the water log? If so, I might just just rack the slide after coming out of the water and a Achilles heel becomes a 1 round penalty.
Most fire striker pistol have a difficult time shooting in submerged water. The only reason glock does well, is because the have their own protection technology called maritime spring cups, to get some help with the water issue. No other pistol provides that. I own glock, and fn 509, both have pros and cons, 19x malfunction under muddy water. Watch videos on it. I love both equally. Just be a cool guy and carry all 4....
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Thank you for this review. I've been wondering about this firearm. Outstanding review as always!
Thanks for the support!
Just bought one. Love it so far
Great review J
I was really looking forward to the updates w/ the compact. I like this gun but with the water problems I wont buy it. Lazy on FNs part honestly, this isnt new information they should have fixed that...
Great overview and I agree, the water is an issue. Hell, I've worked on duty in downpours where my glock was waterlogged.
Well done.
Best 509 review on UA-cam!
I really enjoy mine and carry it daily! The water thing doesn’t bother me. Good review by the way.
Buy the new firing pin from apex and let us know if the water result change
Why bot just buy a gun that works with no problems.. 😂
@Chef Di no such thing guess you’ve never watched torture tests. Even the almighty Glock has failed some of those tests. Anything can fail if you put enough stress on it. In a perfect world your theory would work but that’s all it is theory.
The flaw is mentioned at 15:19
Ive shot my 509 tactical plenty of times in the rain out at the range... worked just as good as any other day. Now i havent stormed the beaches of Normandy yet were id be jumping off a boat swimming onto the beach head and slaying Nazis but ill consider switch pistols now when that day comes thanks your video.
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Kinda like you said at the end, not a recall cuz it's not not.sl operating condition. I've sot it in the rain and no issues. Being totally submerged for a short period of time is what'll do it. I guess in all reality you never know, but I'm not too worried about it.
I had the same problem with mine and the yellow spring, if I use the stock spring that issue went away. That is the reason the 509 was "oversprung" to resolve that issue so some maritime cups would be an easy fix I'm thinking...
The big problem is that I believe an entire striker redesign would be needed. The striker does not ride inside the spring as on most other guns but rather the spring rides inside the striker. There are no spring cups.
@@jhelmsing Sorry that didn't come out quite rite, that was just an example of what to add if possible to resolve it or a similar design change that wouldn't break the bank.. If not, the heavier spring (original stock spring) in my case works just fine. The other possibility would be to maybe slot the stricker with channels to allow the water to clear easier..
@J Helmsing, does your 509 Midsize have the new FN OEM striker installed (resembles the Apes replacement striker)? I am curious if the new striker addresses only the breaking issue, or if it also addresses the water channeling issue.
Great video sir and thank you very much for being out there protecting us
I really want to see the FN509 midsize sitting next to the FNS9c and the comparison between the two! I have the FNS9c and the regular 509 and I am wanting to upgrade. :D
Damn I was going to purchase this one so I could take it on my next SCUBA dive but ill just stick to my hi point 40 aka my problem solver
Good call. Your problem solver will probably fare a little better than the 509 if it gets waterlogged.
You sir are a dork. It’s solva
Great job uncovering that water issue. Hydrophobic. Love it!
For the people making fun of the water thing... I fell into to the lake yesterday accidentally... my Glock 43 that I was carrying would work after that if anything had happened.... I’m must pointing out that this is a more realistic thing than people give it credit for. I love FNs, but he’s right, you never know what will happen.
Don't drop yer FN in the best Belgium beer - Duvel 666. You wont be able to shoot the bartender.
But seriously, great real world information Jay .
Poor engineering of the striker channel and slide drainage. Your observations are valid.
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Knowing how FN treated its FNP customers when they tried to get a known faulty design fixed under warranty I dont think I can invest in an FN handgun....not to mention the polymer problems I experienced first hand with my FNX45T.
What exactly was going on regarding the issue FN knew about but treated it’s customers like trash? Shiite like that really pisses me to the line and I am about to have to file a warranty claim on a broken rest/striker on 509Tac. Damn the gun fit so nice, but you have to be able to shoot the damn thing. God I hate that trigger, like they didn’t know it was gonna be crap before they sold it to us already has me pissed cause it’s a shitty trigger, well the for the first 10-30 shots it’s fired before it broke that is…
I find another flaw, my striker broke 4 days ago... And FN, missing in action...
Yes I spend most of my days underwater, so this is a major issue.
I have been concealed carrying for the past 12 years and have not once come across a situation where my gun has ever been dunked or covered in water. The most it may ever see is some rain or snow. I do not see this as a problem for 100% of people that are just using this as a concealed carry gun. Maybe its not a good choice for the Seals but for the rest of the population this is a non-issue.
I give up 🙄 check my other video for an idea of just how bad this pistol is in water. I've also thoroughly stated that I'm a cop and that I've had my duty gun fully submerged more than once. If you want to risk it, go ahead.
@@jhelmsing I have watched your other video. I'm not defending the gun don't own it and won't own it. I was just trying to say that the normal person this will not effect. Good videos and keep up the good work.
I don't meant to come off as a jerk so please don't take it that way, I just want people to take that comment within the context it was intended. You are correct that for nearly all CCW purposes it won't matter.
He is a glock fan boy you are not gonna make him change his mind! He chases bad guys in the atlantic he needs a glock
Strange this is the only channel that has found a problem with the 509 everyone elses 509 works great
The other channels just regurgitate the same text that they hear from other silly channels. They don't read the Operator's Manual, they don't lubricate the pistols, experience operator errors. Just junk.
This is sober, factual, practical, mature reviewing. ✌️
Very good information! Thanks!
I have an FNS 9C and I have to tell you, I feel really iffy everytime I go scuba diving with my SEAL buddies. If I come out of the water and have to engage ISIS, I am a little nervous, like, do I have 2 seconds to let the water drain out of my striker channel?
I hate it when that happens! 🤣
Make sure you are careful with what ammo you feed your FN 509c MRD with. Bought mine last month, 2 weeks later took it to the firing range for the first time and the frame/handle cracked. Sent it to FN and they said "sorry for your luck, must have been your ammo, warranty denied."
Was shooting factory federal HST 9mm +P's and it was evidently too much for it.
Wont sell me a replacement frame etc, its either buy a new gun or nothing.
Retired LE after 35 years. Was using duty ammo that my glock 17 had no problem with. Totally disgusted with the company.
Really really wanted to like this gun and maybe I just got a fluke but after this I will never buy another FN.
Dude that’s awful and F ed up for sure. I have one , virtually a half a box of use but it’s a few years old and long story why I didn’t send it back right then. But yea, it needs go back to factory for warranty and I have my fingers crossed no BS Happens..,. So what happened for you in the end? Did they finally change their tune or stick by their guns on denying you the warranty that you were certainly entitled to??? Curious on how you turned out. Cheers
Nice job with the breakdown of the updates. I do like the FN products.
Thanks. I was going to make this my swimming pistol.
I have not shark hunted with a pistol for like 10 years maybe...so this ‘fatal flaw’....has zero effect on me, I mean...REALISTICALLY, how often are you going to get your gun THAT wet....seriously! A little water is A LOT different than submerging it in water...I HIGHLY doubt that even super heavy rain would even effect it.
Outstanding review. Thank you for posting.
FN usually doesnt have major flaws so its extremely rare for FNs and S&Ws to have 1 specific flaw but FN and S&W period are good Pistol companies i do FN S&W and Browning to be exact for Pistols im wanting a FN 509 and FN 45
You did a good comparison to the Glock. However, If I wanted a Glock 19-ish (standard compact size poly-striker) non-Glock, the prime alternative would seem to be the Smith and Wesson M&P 2.0 Compact. That gun seems to have many of the same advantages as this gun (better ergos), but with likely a better trigger, and better third party support. Do you see anything about this gun that would recommend it over the Smith?
Honestly not really, except that the texture is a little more carry friendly than the M&P.
@@jhelmsing Thanks. That's the key piece of information.
Excellent review. Thank you.
I have the 509 Tactical and the 509 Midsize MRD. I replaced the striker in both with the Apex striker so that should fix the issue. I’ll have to try.
Did the apex trigger work?
Awesome review sir! Literally planning to pick up this FN mid size pistol. How does felt recoil of FN 509 mid size compare to your Gen 5 G19?
Very manageable, I'd say nearly identical between the two.
Between the FNS & 509, it’s all about personal preferences. The real only down side to either the FNS & 509 is the cost of additional magazines! So FN, if you’re listening & wish to sell more pistols in the civilian market, reduce the prices for your pistol mags!! John Q. Public finds pistol mags in the mid $40 range unacceptable
Thanks for the video! So does the "FNS-9 compact" have the same water problem? Based on your older video I'm considering the FNS-9c. Thanks J!
The water problem is the same on that gun too unfortunately.
@@jhelmsing Thank you!
Great review , i had a g19 gen 5 but i needed to sell it at the time , i loved that gun so much because of the size and the sleek new black design on the slide , i wanted to buy a brand new glock 19 gen 5 , i was really decided , but then i saw this video and i am really thinking about getting the FN , my only question is , wich one is more comfortable to conceal carry ? , i compare both and overall fn is just a little bit almost anything more heavier wider and taller , does that make it uncomfortable?? i had the sig p320 compact and that one was really uncomfortable compared to the glock , can you give me your opinion on that
I honestly think they are about the same. The 509M carries very well and remindnds me a lot of the Glock 19. It definitely carries easier than the P320.
Saltwater or Freshwater? Or is it both? Just asking because I live on the coast and did not if this was a problem just for the inlanders?
the vid was made 5 years ago....do you still have the same appreciation for the FN 509 as you did when you made the video? I am currently looking for my first firearm......trying not to just buy a glock like everyone else does
Now I’m not sure if I bought a more expensive model but mine has the trijicon night sights so mine aren’t just painted but mine looks just like yours I wonder if they changed it because people were complaining
Funny you had an issue with mag release, me too, but only when trying to drop the mag! Very difficult with slide closed! Easier with slide locked back? Thanks for reminding to un arm myself before bathing!!!
I have the 509 standard and I do get erratic ejection with 115gr. Should I change the spring to the yellow? Does the yellow recoil hit harder with 124gr or +p? Good video
So the 509 would not be a good edc for Porpoises or sea otters!
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Never dropped my 509 in a bucket of water and then tried to run it. I have smithing skills so if mine fails the water test I will have a solution by the time the sun sets tomorrow. The 509 midsize has way to many good things going for it to not correct the water issue if mine has it. I already completely polished my trigger group and am getting a clean glass break at 4.7lbs. I’m wondering if this water issue is something that’s happening with every 509, a few or just a single handgun. It’s been out long enough now that if this was happening with every 509 I would have heard about it by now I would think. I’ll find out soon enough.
good review, i already have a 509 tactical, dont know if i want a midsize one, but very tempting
XI just got the 509 Tactical, I wonder if it's different. Glock 19X has the Maritime parts inside for water drainage so it could pass the MHS trials.
So did the newer fn’s if purchased towards late 2019 after that 2020 all 509’s have them
anyone know if fn changed the locking block pin and polymer frame design interface to make the pin user serviceable and reusable in the midsize? I like the other changes to this gun, but that pin would be a big one for me to even think about purchasing this pistol.
I put an Apex trigger in a FNS without issue and was able to get that pin out. That said, it appears to be the exact same design on the 509.
Just when I finally decide on a gun, up pops something like this... It's not like firing after submersion would ever have even occurred to me, but it's not the best news. I would have thought the testing before they submitted it to the army would have included water tests? I know Hickok45 really likes it, and I'll basically just be plinking with it like he does, so it's definitely still a possibility...
Excellent review Justin Helmsing
MRD newbie question..... Regarding your 509 compact (which is MRD ready)...... With the elevated sights, does that affect aiming technique at all?
I guess water situations are always a possibility, maybe more likely in police Duty, but I just don’t see that ever being an issue for me, but I do live in the desert. Pools are around but they idea that my gun is going to get submerged before a defensive shooting, very very unlikely.
I don’t own or carry one of these anyway but I’m considering one
@@TheOVprodigy FN has a new striker that eliminates the hydro locking issue
@@brianjkeene is it the new one that comes stock? I ended up buying one, and pulling out the striker to see if I need to upgrade to the apex heavy duty anyway, but I saw it was a updated striker.
I assume it must have both eliminated the break issue and hydro lock issue?
You could modify the channel with a small file or drill bit and then the problem is solved
It’s on my buylist so glad you reviewed it. Would you take this or the G19 G5 if you could only buy 1?
Glock 19 Gen 5 strictly for the water issue. If you take that part out, it would be a very tough choice.
Thanks man! Love your channel. I saw on one of your videos or comments you guys are issued RRA rifles - any opinion on Rock River quality ?
@@vcutrader7079 I've not had any issues at all with mine. I've also had a LAR-9 for about 10 years. Zero issues.
vcu trader RRA is junk
So many nice handguns so little money.
Do yourself a favor. 0000 steel wool on everything to do with the trigger. The drop safety and the guide for your spring. Clean it all really well when your done obviously. Makes a huge difference
Cool gun, but I just struggle to find a reason why I should buy it over other options. I know there's a lot of Glock haters, but I don't have any issues with my G19 besides the stupid half moon cuts (mine came with Ameriglo night sights). When I first started looking at guns I was really hung up on triggers but after a lot of dry fire practice and a bit of range time and some competitons I got to the point where I don't really care if you know what I mean? If I find a gun with a nice trigger that's cool, but I'm still going to hit what I aim at with a Glock. I would like to switch over to DA/SA guns eventually but right now stuff is so hard to find.
You can buy a glock and spend money to have something similar to the FN...or you can just buy a FN and just be good to go. Glocks are overrated.
I can see how you could hit that mag release under recoil. I am a lefty and I rarely reverse a mag release. The only pistol I have had trouble with are the M&P pistols. 9mm, 45 ACP, full size down to Shield I have had issues with dropping the mag under recoil. While it has been more or less of a problem with the different sizes and calibers of M&P pistols (the .45 Shield being the worst) I have never dropped a mag in another brand of pistol with the right handed mag release. I can't explain it but just something I have noticed.
Good to see I'm not alone. It happened twice and I couldn't replicate it not under live fire conditions.
The thing is, so many reviewers griped about the stiffness and shape of the original 509 mag release that was purposely built to prevent accidental releases. Complaints how it was not the easiest to hit, having to focus to do it, change their grip to activate it. FN made the changes so we’ll see if the changes become the complaint now. At least J didn’t knock the gun for it.
Wonder why the FNS Longslide version doesn't seem to have the same water submersion issues? Anyone know why?
Strangely, the FNS 40 Longslide does not seem to have the water issues. Any idea why?
Good thing I only plan on carrying my 509 in the desert.
Great video. My 509 midsize will be here Saturday. I think I’ll try dunking it and then shooting it and see what happens. Overall really looking forward to firing the pistol.
Interesting flaw. Would love to know how the G19 compares and whether you run Maritime cups on yours, J?
I don't use maritime spring cups. My Glock 19 Gen 5 runs much better out of water than the 509 🤷🏻♂️
ok so if i'm swimming at the local pool and i just hop out ... rack the first round out before i hit the snack bar to shoot my way out with some nachos... smh ... people nit pick so much
I don't want no water gun! I dont go scuba diving! If my life was being threaten n for whatever crazy reason that I'm in a gun battle n i drop my gun in a puddle of water, im dead anyway...I'm more worried about defending myself n my family on land as far as under water, I'm dead anyway cause I can't swim .... lol..I'm thinking of buy the tactical model is $679 a good deal?
Great review!! And thanks for the information
Im surprised that FN has not fixed this water problem.
I reached out to them. No response.
Because its not for deep sea shooting
Would you recommend this as my first piece? I have shot my buddy’s 19x and I really enjoy it and do pretty well with it.
If it helps this was my first purchase. Definitely dont regret it. Love my 509 def recommend can be found slighlty cheaper than a glock i got mine for $530 brand new
Really informative review, sir! I have been on the bubble about acquiring the 509 mid-size for a while and this was very helpful. I have a question that you may or may not be able to answer, though. I have a CZ P-07 and I absolutely love literally every aspect of it. How do you think the 509 compares to the P-07?
509 blows the p-07 away
Can you recommend on carry and beginner shooters?
What is the percentage of potential buyers of this pistol that are going to pass it by because it has difficulty firing after it's been submerged in water? A ridiculous baseline of function for 99.9% of us. Yes, and I think the Military Arms Channel "Torture Test" is a bit over the top as well.
If I ever get killed in a gunfight in my house because I fell in a mud puddle and my pistol then failed to fire, I'll let you know. Then you can tell me "I told you so".
As normal, this is an excellent review!