Less pastel-ey graphics, balanced hero modes in 1v1, fleshed out creeping system with potential buff/item mechanics, terrain mechanics, and a long campaign ... are on my wishlist
Honestly, hard to think that the game still has years to go by the time it's ready. It definitely needs work, but I would never picture we're that early in the process still. All in all it doesn't play bad right now.
If u think about it, only 2 out of 4 game mode is ready, of the ready game mode only 2/3 of race available, of the race available only 2/3 of the tier is available...
@@allanshpeley4284 this is what betas originally used to be, before AAA companies turned it into an advertisement campaign for games that were mostly finished.
for me the art style isn't that big of an issue but there is an obvious lack of detail and it feels a bit too rough at the moment. Also I played with Vanguard, and I really didn't like the design of the structures. Especially the fact that a lot of structures have like circular silhouette. So at one point I thought I was building the structure X but found out that I was building another structure simply because they look soo similar. And the command center looks just stupid.
Pretty disappointed so far. Visually doesn’t work. If you don’t want to be StarCraft 2 then why make a marine themed race. Hope they make significant changes or players will stick with other games
Its never go when developers go full on defensive and refuse to listen to fair criticism. The graphics lack definition, clarity and depth. It's a big mess of colors and round shapes. The buildings and units looks like they are floating above the ground instead of standing on it.
@@Truth-sk9nf That's what I thought too at first, until you realize this game has 40 million dollars in funding Look at Zerospace, a game with like $500k in fundings. The maps have way more detail despite how little funding they have
I'm more and more frustrated by the deflection responses. It's open beta, they clearly want the feedback, but every single response to the feedback is "It's early, so your feedback is unfair" And they're not even saying like 'Don't worry this won't be the art style in the end' I think people aren't quite getting the difference between "Art Style" and "Final Art" Like they've already changed a number of models...but the style hasn't changed. And it's the Style of "cartoony low detail generic sci-fi" that people seem to have issue with. So yeah, if the 'Art Direction' is going to be this same thing, people generally aren't going to like it.
That is true, but put yourself in Frost Giant's shoes. If they are settled on this style (they probably can't afford to overhaul the fundamental style). What do you say to the public? "It's going to be this way" = ppl will be turned away cause they dont expect improvement or "we are still working on it, it's early" = try to keep people looking at it as you develop. It doesn't serve them to say "well if you don't like it too bad" but that might be the reality.
@@trumpet43samurai Thing is, if basically everyone hates the art style and you decide to just keep going with it without any changes then you're doing a bad job as a dev. Like of course you don't want to have to change, but sometimes you have to make that call when it's the overwhelmingly obvious choice for the betterment of the game. That's one of the fundamental things when it comes to design - you don't fall too in love with any 1 choice or design because then that makes you stubborn and blind and hinders your project's growth
I was very disappointed when I first saw this game as I was really excited to see what they came out with. I appreciate its early, but im fairly sure thats not the issue. Hopefully I’m wrong. The art style, the units, the races, they just dont grab me. I’m going to try and keep an open mind while it’s in development.
ofc we are gonna compare it with SC 2, it is exactly the same and from same developers. space marines vs alien swarm monsters ! they also advertise that they made SC 2, so it figures
If people think Stormgate has graphical issues, they should take a look at what Starcraft II looked like this early in development... I understand the desire and necessity to put out a playable Alpha/Beta, but it sucks that so many people make ignorant snap decisions based off of work that isn't remotely close to being complete.
Certainly was much better than this, yeah. This phrasing as if it's 5 years out is ridiculous, it's supposed to release in mid 2025 or something, so this "5 years away from Wings of Liberty" shit is nonsense. And they gotta stop saying it's not a beta and then calling it a beta.
@@Bagginsess Yeah, that's what Beta usually means, generally when a game releases a beta, especially an Open Beta the game is expected out within months, and more commonly within weeks. Like Open Beta for Diablo 4 was March, game released in June... open Beta for latest COD was October 12th, game released Oct 14th, Open Beta for Skull and Bones was Feb 8th, Game releases Feb 16th. People have been screaming this at them too a bunch of times, stop releasing the game so openly, and stop calling it a Beta when it's at best Alpha stage. Stop saying everyone else is wrong for thinking they're fucking up and overpublicizing a thing that isn't ready to be public.
@@EnderSword lol you just showed how little you know about software development. An alpha means the barebones skeleton of a program. Often an alpha is unusable probably having severe bugs and crashes, missing key features, or simply not even having a GUI yet. A beta being the next stage in development marks a milestone of usability and stability. Betas are where most testing is done, though for non open projects this is done behind closed doors and NDA's. For open projects such as FOSS programs there is active use by testers and early adopters for years while in beta. This is how Notch made Minecraft and what started the indie early access craze in gaming. AAA eventually took the term "beta" to replace the word "demo" and used it as a marketing ploy for mass scale network testing before launch, as a marketing tactic, or as a way to save face for a rushed launch. Beta does not mean a program is close to done. It can mean that but that's like saying a cake is done because it's in the oven, regardless of whether or not you just put the cake in. Stormgate just finished the prep work for the cake (alpha) and now it has to cook (beta). Here are some examples of good games that were or have been in beta for years: Baldur's Gate 3, Ready or Not, Squad, Battlebit Remastered, Black Mesa, Escape from Tarkov, Dota 2, Mount & Blade 2 Bannerlord, PUBG, Session.
Yeah I'm inclined to agree that they should have kept it as an Alpha, I was certainly surprised when it got 'upgraded' from Alpha state to Beta. That being said though I also thing the AAA industry has taught us incorrectly to think of a beta as a marketing demo rather than a work in progress.
Just call alpha an alpha and not beta, and all the questions will be gone, or at least say that "we had to make it beta because of the marketing reasons". They could've shut down so many questions way before they appeared by simply labeling the game right. It's not like it matter at this point tho.
@allanshpeley4284 I wonder what it will look like in..3....years. And as far as an inspired, none of these units look like anything else. It's not: A c.o.d copy-paste A Halo copy-paste. A pokemon copy-paste
@@allanshpeley4284 yup and even with the negative response Stormbaits' response is "nah we are lazy enough and F you we are not re-doing any of the art and game universe", why didn't they make a Poll to see how much people dislike or like it?
@@HoretzYT If they did a poll it would likely have to be outside of reddit because boy are the redditors in r/stormgate glazing. I think when IGN and asmongold did a video on stormgate the comment section was unbiased, and it was pretty unanimous that stormgate looked ugly as sin. As many have said before can't put lipstick on a pig
Well IF FG choose not to change art style, at least should consider changing some units' design. HedgeHog's design is awful. I will never play vanguard if FG won't change it. Camp monsters are literally jokes. Or FG think it is fun to raise a sci-fi army to face a couple of chicken? For those who don't care about art style or design: There are couple of RTS out there in beta, like immortal or zerospace, they both don't have art issue. in fact, most RTS don't receive art style criticism, they rather have UI criticism. Being a "Ostrich" is dangerous, the Good part of stormgate would not hide the bad part of it, just as vice versa. And for those "it is not final version, it will be improved" part, FG better point out which is placeholder and which will not change.
Obviously I don't know exactly what will change and what won't, but the entire creep camp system is all being reworked and every model is a placeholder that's been in since the very first alpha.
Third faction will have wings and golden plate armour. And wings. I'm interested in your casts. I'm a slow rts learner so any high level games will inspire me.
6:30 "you simply cannot please everyone". That's true, but you definitely can avoid SUCH amount of hate that we have at the moment. All the internet is full of art style haters and that's not because all those people want SG to fail, it's because art style atm is really horrible. They wanted to unite rts fans, who are 20++ years and releases such game to open beta. To be honest I am definitely hater of the artstyle of SG, I am 100% sure that this style was a giant marketing mistake and people's reaction is showing that. Every single UA-cam video is full of negative comments and unfortunately I'm sure that will damage the game, because at hype is much lower, than it was before
Or it's like the Sonic movie, where people hate it, the graphics improve and then people love it because they think they influenced something in their boring lives
What art style do you want precisely? Before you answer know that anything high-resolution like SC2 is off the table. AA studios don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to blow on graphics designers. I suspect many people hating on the art style are simply spoiled by the visual artists of AAA studios and expect every game to reach their standard of polish.
@@TomFranklinX lol dude look at Godsworn made by 2 guys, the graphics and art is a Stormbait killer, imagine 2 guys which are not professional RTS developers making a prettier RTS with its own soul versus this generic asian teenager mobile game bullsh*t Stormbait is
@@HoretzYT I fail to see how Godsworn graphics is better than Stormgate, the two looks very similar. If you think one is 10/10 while the other is trash I suspect the underlying reason is not art but bias.
@@TomFranklinX the you should get your eyes examined, look at the comment section of Godsworn and then take a look at Stormbait and let the people decide
I fully agree with them on approving gameplay, gameplay features, balance, campaign, things that are important for the main Launch of the Game. Graphics will change for sure, certain graphics fedilities arent even added yet, its just bare bone graphics for now. Which is fine and it will be reflected once they come with those updates when they are Ready for it. From what i experienced during Steam Nextfest, was an RTS that was very responsive, equally to SC 2 and lets not forget its with 300 supplies for each playing in a game. Which is actually impressive and i think their Snowplay Engine they created, which is the Gameplay Layer and such, so no graphics related things. Is really impressive and i think they are onto something for sure and i already love the game, gameplay is extremely smooth. I am really impressed for what they have done in like a year time !
For me its less about how 'good' the art looks now and more the art style they seem to be going with but its also unlikely i'll ever play this game unless the campaigns get crazy good reviews or recommendations.
What is there to respond to? We're lazy and looking for a quick cash grab from our fans by combining WC theme woth SC2 gameplay? The gameplay is uninnovative and the maps looks like trash? It's 2024 and we're still doing a 3 race formula?
Played both, ZS is much better, unique ideas. Gameplay is smooth. Looks fantastic. SG is a game from 20 years ago. I'm so disappointed. I had so much hype last year
I'm honestly very impressed by ZS as well, got a few videos up here on the channel but from what I've tried it's incredibly responsive. Looking forward to playing both and I'll probably be covering ZS a bit here on the channel too.
What's hyperbolic about it, and what's non-constructive? The art Style is generic, kind of cartoony and very simplistic. What's hyperbolic about that, and how's that "non-constructive"? There's plenty of time to fix that, to make something more stylized, lean into a theme... Everyone keeps saying "Its Early!!" but then when you ask "are you working on it then, you're changing it?" ...no, they're not planning on changing it. Honestly there appear to be 2 camps, there's the "It looks bad" camp, and the "I don't care what the graphics look like in any game" camp. There basically is no "This looks good" camp
@@berengerchristy6256 But they said they're not changing the art direction, so unless they're lying, I think we do have an idea where it'll end up, right?
@@EnderSword art direction is one of those words that means whatever you want it to mean. the game can reasonably look completely different once all the final assets are in place. there are still so many placeholders. idk why people are perseverating on the graphics of a game still in early development. just because it's playable doesn't mean it isn't in early development
Let's talk only about graphic, people criticism the graphic honestly some indeed legit but some just feel unreasonable Legit criticism I agree the design is a bit (as much I don't like this word) Generic and lack something stand out, to be fair it hard to be completely unique now day, but... can you do something different than 2 horned red demons, I get it that their intentional design for classic demons but you can go crazy with your imagination, create some abomination demons that not too common, same with Vanguard do something crazier than a humanoid mech with gatling gun? Just a bit nit pick. And indeed the graphic lack detail, unpolished, very unfinished but I will optimistic that time they will polish them, it still very early Beta build (seriously they shouldn't call it Beta then it clearly still alpha build) Now what I think is unreasonable... so they say it bad because it cartoony? Not photo realistic and dark like SC2? but that because you just don't like cartoony, those 2 art style are completely different style and have different standard for them, it legit if you think it bad in it own cartoony standard but this is not it, cartoony style is not your liking then? It not bad graphic just because it not photo realistic, that seem not a fair judgement imo, but at the end I understand everyone have their own preference, this style just not for you, I get it people want it to be successor to SC2 and they indeed advertise like that too, which again mistake they should say it their different take, and it clear it not mean to be SC3 or WC4 Then we have people think Frost Giant should Listen, take poll to see if they like this style and redo it? I don't know if I can agree with this... This is their game, not your. they make it with their own art style and shouldn't afraid to do so. Not that they don't listen to fan just they don't want to for this part cause then they're not making their game with their preference art style anymore. As for is this right thing is so heavily subjective, if that cost half the entire fans that don't like cartoony then it suck that this game is not for you, but those like cartoony style will like it and it will attract more people like cartoony too, we will see is this the wrong move that "killed" the game or not, or maybe people will be at peace with the art style if game fun? it will attract new fan that love it? we shall see. For me I'm always liking cartoony style than realistic, it more appealing, realistic is boring for me, my criticism like I wrote above but still I enjoy it.
No one said copy sc2 artstyle. The units don't look as sharp as the buildings, terrain ground has no detail. It's just a weird look. All the clusters in engagements make it look absolutely terrible, especially when infernal terrain ground effect. Who think the top bar ability on bobs look good at this stage? You can't even see how many bobs are there with the mess. I don't even care about the unit design being subpar, the visual clarity is just outright bad imo.
That's exactly what it feels like. I absolutely love most of the game but another thing I don't like is the infernals units. A lot of them don't feel demonlike enough. In one of their very early clips they had the vangaurd's mech (I can't remember the name right now) defending against demon dogs charging them while a big daddy demon was letting out a war cry and then none of that is in the game now. Brutes are the ugliest most uninspired thing I have ever seen lol
Can I say that League of Legends stole inspiration from the Northern United States of America? It’s got green pine trees, and it snows in the winter 😱😮🙊
“Brawn over Beauty” is what I always say, Brute seems synonymous to Brawn League has wild cinematics too, they’re captivating and incredibly impressive feats of art (not comic books for the video game)
This is dawn of war 3 all over again. I really wanted to be hyped about the new RTS game from FrostGiant but they should hire the Godsworn developers (just 2 guys really) to give a soul to StormBait because Godsworn without the millions you have looks awesome and has character unless like the asian kids friendly dollar store mobile primarily esports SC clone StormBait, not to mention the stupid setting of spacemarines versus demons vs proto...ehm scifi angels? You got that from a childs book? It's just so bad
I am a big fan of the comedic and sometimes cute look behind the Infernals, I feel like Fortnite zoomers would be turned away by thrashing and gnashing demons I know I’ll introduce this to teens, and we don’t need more nightmares in the world
Godsworn > Stormbait So they say some people don't like it and some do? I'd like to see a poll on that, they want to keep the art style ? That's okay i don't have to play a sc 2 clone for children and also did an SCV just Repair a Dog? Is there anything more stupid than this game?
I am starting to question if you’ve played… Unit text dictates gameplay You’re privileged that Tencent Studios has had the liberty of “100 years” and billions of dollars to make characters visually match what they should do. Visual clarity is a very different argument that other RTS creators have mentioned
@@gitjiggybruh ahahah what facts? The facts are that 2 developers of Godsworn (2 guys) can make a RTS with character and eye candy graphics unlike Stormbait with a professional team of RTS developers and millions of dollars, but your copium is heavy i see, and even with that negative response from fans they won't do anything with the bad art style/design/lore/setting because F fans, why don't they make a Poll where people vote ?
@@MunkeyBrewster have you played Godsworn? It looks crisp and interesting while keeping things readable and clear, and made by just two guys, how is that possible?
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third race is frost giants
With a mothership!
@@marcinluter1195 with black holes hand yamatos , mothership can self destruc like a baneling to kill main base
cook
I'd like that
Carbot knew…
Less pastel-ey graphics, balanced hero modes in 1v1, fleshed out creeping system with potential buff/item mechanics, terrain mechanics, and a long campaign ... are on my wishlist
Honestly, hard to think that the game still has years to go by the time it's ready. It definitely needs work, but I would never picture we're that early in the process still. All in all it doesn't play bad right now.
iirc one of the devs said that most publishers wouldn't have even announced stormgate with how early it is in development.
If u think about it, only 2 out of 4 game mode is ready, of the ready game mode only 2/3 of race available, of the race available only 2/3 of the tier is available...
@@allanshpeley4284 this is what betas originally used to be, before AAA companies turned it into an advertisement campaign for games that were mostly finished.
@@allanshpeley4284a beta means it's in development.
Yeah I know what you mean, it already feels really fun to play even at this early stage so I can't wait to see how things progress overtime.
Damn, I click to hear about the stormgate respond, not to get spoiler from the EGCTV tournament ...
My bad there, apologies to anybody who hasn’t seen it yet. I’ll bare that in mind in the future.
Yes
how much is Stormgate Central investing in Frost Giant? like how many million?
Right 😂
for me the art style isn't that big of an issue but there is an obvious lack of detail and it feels a bit too rough at the moment. Also I played with Vanguard, and I really didn't like the design of the structures. Especially the fact that a lot of structures have like circular silhouette. So at one point I thought I was building the structure X but found out that I was building another structure simply because they look soo similar. And the command center looks just stupid.
I didn't play much but by the end I was still not certain what building was what visually
I also dont like how the game design looks ... zerg marines orks are clasics and i can fell with them ... but stormgate is just boring
Pretty disappointed so far. Visually doesn’t work. If you don’t want to be StarCraft 2 then why make a marine themed race. Hope they make significant changes or players will stick with other games
Its never go when developers go full on defensive and refuse to listen to fair criticism. The graphics lack definition, clarity and depth. It's a big mess of colors and round shapes. The buildings and units looks like they are floating above the ground instead of standing on it.
my feeling is they went for cheap graphic option. easiest to do, which is sad compared to capability of current technology.
@@Truth-sk9nf
That's what I thought too at first, until you realize this game has 40 million dollars in funding
Look at Zerospace, a game with like $500k in fundings. The maps have way more detail despite how little funding they have
I'm more and more frustrated by the deflection responses.
It's open beta, they clearly want the feedback, but every single response to the feedback is "It's early, so your feedback is unfair"
And they're not even saying like 'Don't worry this won't be the art style in the end'
I think people aren't quite getting the difference between "Art Style" and "Final Art" Like they've already changed a number of models...but the style hasn't changed. And it's the Style of "cartoony low detail generic sci-fi" that people seem to have issue with.
So yeah, if the 'Art Direction' is going to be this same thing, people generally aren't going to like it.
That is true, but put yourself in Frost Giant's shoes. If they are settled on this style (they probably can't afford to overhaul the fundamental style). What do you say to the public? "It's going to be this way" = ppl will be turned away cause they dont expect improvement or "we are still working on it, it's early" = try to keep people looking at it as you develop. It doesn't serve them to say "well if you don't like it too bad" but that might be the reality.
@@trumpet43samurai Thing is, if basically everyone hates the art style and you decide to just keep going with it without any changes then you're doing a bad job as a dev. Like of course you don't want to have to change, but sometimes you have to make that call when it's the overwhelmingly obvious choice for the betterment of the game.
That's one of the fundamental things when it comes to design - you don't fall too in love with any 1 choice or design because then that makes you stubborn and blind and hinders your project's growth
@@trumpet43samuraithey can definitely afford to, they have 40 million dollars in funding
They just need to hire some new artists
I was very disappointed when I first saw this game as I was really excited to see what they came out with. I appreciate its early, but im fairly sure thats not the issue. Hopefully I’m wrong. The art style, the units, the races, they just dont grab me. I’m going to try and keep an open mind while it’s in development.
This doesn't smell good at all , maybe that's why people call it stormbait
Thank you for keeping us up-to-date!
Meshing warcraft, starcraft, and diablo is what makes this feel silly. I hope microsoft makes a starcraft 3 and/or warcraft 4
ofc we are gonna compare it with SC 2, it is exactly the same and from same developers. space marines vs alien swarm monsters ! they also advertise that they made SC 2, so it figures
If people think Stormgate has graphical issues, they should take a look at what Starcraft II looked like this early in development...
I understand the desire and necessity to put out a playable Alpha/Beta, but it sucks that so many people make ignorant snap decisions based off of work that isn't remotely close to being complete.
Certainly was much better than this, yeah.
This phrasing as if it's 5 years out is ridiculous, it's supposed to release in mid 2025 or something, so this "5 years away from Wings of Liberty" shit is nonsense.
And they gotta stop saying it's not a beta and then calling it a beta.
lol people should look at starcraft 1 alpha
@@EnderSwordwhat do you think a beta means? Because you seem to think it means it's close to done.
@@Bagginsess Yeah, that's what Beta usually means, generally when a game releases a beta, especially an Open Beta the game is expected out within months, and more commonly within weeks.
Like Open Beta for Diablo 4 was March, game released in June... open Beta for latest COD was October 12th, game released Oct 14th, Open Beta for Skull and Bones was Feb 8th, Game releases Feb 16th.
People have been screaming this at them too a bunch of times, stop releasing the game so openly, and stop calling it a Beta when it's at best Alpha stage.
Stop saying everyone else is wrong for thinking they're fucking up and overpublicizing a thing that isn't ready to be public.
@@EnderSword lol you just showed how little you know about software development. An alpha means the barebones skeleton of a program. Often an alpha is unusable probably having severe bugs and crashes, missing key features, or simply not even having a GUI yet. A beta being the next stage in development marks a milestone of usability and stability. Betas are where most testing is done, though for non open projects this is done behind closed doors and NDA's. For open projects such as FOSS programs there is active use by testers and early adopters for years while in beta. This is how Notch made Minecraft and what started the indie early access craze in gaming. AAA eventually took the term "beta" to replace the word "demo" and used it as a marketing ploy for mass scale network testing before launch, as a marketing tactic, or as a way to save face for a rushed launch. Beta does not mean a program is close to done. It can mean that but that's like saying a cake is done because it's in the oven, regardless of whether or not you just put the cake in. Stormgate just finished the prep work for the cake (alpha) and now it has to cook (beta).
Here are some examples of good games that were or have been in beta for years: Baldur's Gate 3, Ready or Not, Squad, Battlebit Remastered, Black Mesa, Escape from Tarkov, Dota 2, Mount & Blade 2 Bannerlord, PUBG, Session.
So when do we think the full release will be? I thought 2024? Sounds like not
Early Access is this summer, full release I believe in 2025.
3rd race - night elves from warcraft III (Nature based). Just a prediction.
The problem is Frost Giant using the wrong terminology. For far we have tried Alpha builds, not Beta.
That is ok.
Yeah I'm inclined to agree that they should have kept it as an Alpha, I was certainly surprised when it got 'upgraded' from Alpha state to Beta. That being said though I also thing the AAA industry has taught us incorrectly to think of a beta as a marketing demo rather than a work in progress.
I played a little. The buildings look too similar to each other so it was not clear what was what upon playing the same faction 4 to 5 times
Just call alpha an alpha and not beta, and all the questions will be gone, or at least say that "we had to make it beta because of the marketing reasons". They could've shut down so many questions way before they appeared by simply labeling the game right. It's not like it matter at this point tho.
I think it could be down to a technicality, perhaps Steam don't allow for Alpha games during the Next Fest 🤔
Loving how the game is evolving in a feel years this game is gona be great(probably i cant predict the future but its going in a good direction)
Nothing wrong here. Im so hype for the youtube breakdowns of exactly why frost giant went under in 6 months time
The art style is fine...its the graphics that need sorting.
@allanshpeley4284 I wonder what it will look like in..3....years. And as far as an inspired, none of these units look like anything else. It's not: A c.o.d copy-paste
A Halo copy-paste.
A pokemon copy-paste
@@allanshpeley4284 yup and even with the negative response Stormbaits' response is "nah we are lazy enough and F you we are not re-doing any of the art and game universe", why didn't they make a Poll to see how much people dislike or like it?
@@HoretzYT If they did a poll it would likely have to be outside of reddit because boy are the redditors in r/stormgate glazing.
I think when IGN and asmongold did a video on stormgate the comment section was unbiased, and it was pretty unanimous that stormgate looked ugly as sin.
As many have said before can't put lipstick on a pig
Well IF FG choose not to change art style, at least should consider changing some units' design.
HedgeHog's design is awful. I will never play vanguard if FG won't change it.
Camp monsters are literally jokes. Or FG think it is fun to raise a sci-fi army to face a couple of chicken?
For those who don't care about art style or design: There are couple of RTS out there in beta, like immortal or zerospace, they both don't have art issue. in fact, most RTS don't receive art style criticism, they rather have UI criticism. Being a "Ostrich" is dangerous, the Good part of stormgate would not hide the bad part of it, just as vice versa.
And for those "it is not final version, it will be improved" part, FG better point out which is placeholder and which will not change.
Obviously I don't know exactly what will change and what won't, but the entire creep camp system is all being reworked and every model is a placeholder that's been in since the very first alpha.
Third faction will have wings and golden plate armour. And wings.
I'm interested in your casts. I'm a slow rts learner so any high level games will inspire me.
Please do laser fences for vanguard. I loved building fences in c&c and it's fun to alter the map with buildings
Any way to get a key without paying.
6:30 "you simply cannot please everyone". That's true, but you definitely can avoid SUCH amount of hate that we have at the moment. All the internet is full of art style haters and that's not because all those people want SG to fail, it's because art style atm is really horrible. They wanted to unite rts fans, who are 20++ years and releases such game to open beta. To be honest I am definitely hater of the artstyle of SG, I am 100% sure that this style was a giant marketing mistake and people's reaction is showing that. Every single UA-cam video is full of negative comments and unfortunately I'm sure that will damage the game, because at hype is much lower, than it was before
Or it's like the Sonic movie, where people hate it, the graphics improve and then people love it because they think they influenced something in their boring lives
What art style do you want precisely? Before you answer know that anything high-resolution like SC2 is off the table. AA studios don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to blow on graphics designers.
I suspect many people hating on the art style are simply spoiled by the visual artists of AAA studios and expect every game to reach their standard of polish.
@@TomFranklinX lol dude look at Godsworn made by 2 guys, the graphics and art is a Stormbait killer, imagine 2 guys which are not professional RTS developers making a prettier RTS with its own soul versus this generic asian teenager mobile game bullsh*t Stormbait is
@@HoretzYT I fail to see how Godsworn graphics is better than Stormgate, the two looks very similar. If you think one is 10/10 while the other is trash I suspect the underlying reason is not art but bias.
@@TomFranklinX the you should get your eyes examined, look at the comment section of Godsworn and then take a look at Stormbait and let the people decide
I fully agree with them on approving gameplay, gameplay features, balance, campaign, things that are important for the main Launch of the Game. Graphics will change for sure, certain graphics fedilities arent even added yet, its just bare bone graphics for now. Which is fine and it will be reflected once they come with those updates when they are Ready for it. From what i experienced during Steam Nextfest, was an RTS that was very responsive, equally to SC 2 and lets not forget its with 300 supplies for each playing in a game. Which is actually impressive and i think their Snowplay Engine they created, which is the Gameplay Layer and such, so no graphics related things. Is really impressive and i think they are onto something for sure and i already love the game, gameplay is extremely smooth. I am really impressed for what they have done in like a year time !
the game is far from being finished, and they there are already competitive plays out there ?? why ?
For me its less about how 'good' the art looks now and more the art style they seem to be going with
but its also unlikely i'll ever play this game unless the campaigns get crazy good reviews or recommendations.
What is there to respond to? We're lazy and looking for a quick cash grab from our fans by combining WC theme woth SC2 gameplay? The gameplay is uninnovative and the maps looks like trash? It's 2024 and we're still doing a 3 race formula?
Zerospace is gonna wipe the floor with em
Great video. From the outside I predict SG will be more popular but ZS will be a better game
@@gitjiggybruh How is it better? Unit control, map design? To me SG seems like a temu StarCraft where ZS seems like if SC WC and Dota had a baby
@@gitjiggybruh I backed both, just havent got a chance to play ZS, until march. Thanks =p ill play both and i hope they are both successful
Played both, ZS is much better, unique ideas. Gameplay is smooth. Looks fantastic. SG is a game from 20 years ago. I'm so disappointed. I had so much hype last year
I'm honestly very impressed by ZS as well, got a few videos up here on the channel but from what I've tried it's incredibly responsive. Looking forward to playing both and I'll probably be covering ZS a bit here on the channel too.
@@Stormgate_Central awesome thanks for the content
The hyperbolic non-constructive criticism about the graphics is really tiresome
What's hyperbolic about it, and what's non-constructive?
The art Style is generic, kind of cartoony and very simplistic. What's hyperbolic about that, and how's that "non-constructive"? There's plenty of time to fix that, to make something more stylized, lean into a theme...
Everyone keeps saying "Its Early!!" but then when you ask "are you working on it then, you're changing it?" ...no, they're not planning on changing it.
Honestly there appear to be 2 camps, there's the "It looks bad" camp, and the "I don't care what the graphics look like in any game" camp.
There basically is no "This looks good" camp
@@EnderSwordi think it looks promising, it's not meant to be realistic and that's fine
@@EnderSwordI think it looks just fine. I’m excited for the game. You’re not involved with the art team you have no idea where things will end up
@@berengerchristy6256 But they said they're not changing the art direction, so unless they're lying, I think we do have an idea where it'll end up, right?
@@EnderSword art direction is one of those words that means whatever you want it to mean. the game can reasonably look completely different once all the final assets are in place. there are still so many placeholders. idk why people are perseverating on the graphics of a game still in early development. just because it's playable doesn't mean it isn't in early development
Let's talk only about graphic, people criticism the graphic honestly some indeed legit but some just feel unreasonable
Legit criticism I agree the design is a bit (as much I don't like this word) Generic and lack something stand out, to be fair it hard to be completely unique now day, but... can you do something different than 2 horned red demons, I get it that their intentional design for classic demons but you can go crazy with your imagination, create some abomination demons that not too common, same with Vanguard do something crazier than a humanoid mech with gatling gun? Just a bit nit pick. And indeed the graphic lack detail, unpolished, very unfinished but I will optimistic that time they will polish them, it still very early Beta build (seriously they shouldn't call it Beta then it clearly still alpha build)
Now what I think is unreasonable... so they say it bad because it cartoony? Not photo realistic and dark like SC2? but that because you just don't like cartoony, those 2 art style are completely different style and have different standard for them, it legit if you think it bad in it own cartoony standard but this is not it, cartoony style is not your liking then? It not bad graphic just because it not photo realistic, that seem not a fair judgement imo, but at the end I understand everyone have their own preference, this style just not for you, I get it people want it to be successor to SC2 and they indeed advertise like that too, which again mistake they should say it their different take, and it clear it not mean to be SC3 or WC4
Then we have people think Frost Giant should Listen, take poll to see if they like this style and redo it? I don't know if I can agree with this... This is their game, not your. they make it with their own art style and shouldn't afraid to do so. Not that they don't listen to fan just they don't want to for this part cause then they're not making their game with their preference art style anymore. As for is this right thing is so heavily subjective, if that cost half the entire fans that don't like cartoony then it suck that this game is not for you, but those like cartoony style will like it and it will attract more people like cartoony too, we will see is this the wrong move that "killed" the game or not, or maybe people will be at peace with the art style if game fun? it will attract new fan that love it? we shall see. For me I'm always liking cartoony style than realistic, it more appealing, realistic is boring for me, my criticism like I wrote above but still I enjoy it.
Retro voice acting is good, but retro low poly assets everywhere is bad and completely unnecessary on Unreal 5.
how many years stormgate will be in beta? beta never end?
Classic example of the games in the "early acsess" where less than 10% of the games have released stacked in beta for infinity
Like dota 2, but better
it's just a chinesse starcraft 2
No one said copy sc2 artstyle.
The units don't look as sharp as the buildings, terrain ground has no detail.
It's just a weird look.
All the clusters in engagements make it look absolutely terrible, especially when infernal terrain ground effect.
Who think the top bar ability on bobs look good at this stage?
You can't even see how many bobs are there with the mess.
I don't even care about the unit design being subpar, the visual clarity is just outright bad imo.
i would have bet anything i owned on parting winning xD
Third race SPIDERS! Laying eggs, putting webs everywhere, consuming BIO, going up on cliffs, small spiders , big spiders
Is a stormgate edible?
Who was the lucky guy who won your beta key? I could never find out who won it.
A lucky lad called Alex
@@Stormgate_Central that was nice of you, congrats to Alex!
I really dislike the art style. Looks like a low quality league of legends
That's exactly what it feels like. I absolutely love most of the game but another thing I don't like is the infernals units. A lot of them don't feel demonlike enough. In one of their very early clips they had the vangaurd's mech (I can't remember the name right now) defending against demon dogs charging them while a big daddy demon was letting out a war cry and then none of that is in the game now. Brutes are the ugliest most uninspired thing I have ever seen lol
Can I say that League of Legends stole inspiration from the Northern United States of America?
It’s got green pine trees, and it snows in the winter 😱😮🙊
“Brawn over Beauty” is what I always say, Brute seems synonymous to Brawn
League has wild cinematics too, they’re captivating and incredibly impressive feats of art (not comic books for the video game)
This is dawn of war 3 all over again.
I really wanted to be hyped about the new RTS game from FrostGiant but they should hire the Godsworn developers (just 2 guys really) to give a soul to StormBait because Godsworn without the millions you have looks awesome and has character unless like the asian kids friendly dollar store mobile primarily esports SC clone StormBait, not to mention the stupid setting of spacemarines versus demons vs proto...ehm scifi angels? You got that from a childs book? It's just so bad
i like the art style
I am a big fan of the comedic and sometimes cute look behind the Infernals, I feel like Fortnite zoomers would be turned away by thrashing and gnashing demons
I know I’ll introduce this to teens, and we don’t need more nightmares in the world
Gamefound? wtf is that? I am ready to cough up my 54$ CAD geez I'm so sad I missed the boat once I will not miss it again.
I heard twitter is a safe bet to get updates, being curious is a sure fire bet to get your hands on access!
There's a link to the full article in the description if you want to check yourself, but the Gamefound page isn't live yet so stay tuned :).
@@Stormgate_Central Thank you! I am staying vigilant this time around.
Godsworn > Stormbait
So they say some people don't like it and some do? I'd like to see a poll on that, they want to keep the art style ? That's okay i don't have to play a sc 2 clone for children and also did an SCV just Repair a Dog? Is there anything more stupid than this game?
@@gitjiggybruh the whole game seems to be a placeholder but go on pretend that it doesn't look as bad as it really looks
Storm gates trash ceo is going thru a bankruptcy lmao this game is done
I am starting to question if you’ve played…
Unit text dictates gameplay
You’re privileged that Tencent Studios has had the liberty of “100 years” and billions of dollars to make characters visually match what they should do.
Visual clarity is a very different argument that other RTS creators have mentioned
@@gitjiggybruh ahahah what facts? The facts are that 2 developers of Godsworn (2 guys) can make a RTS with character and eye candy graphics unlike Stormbait with a professional team of RTS developers and millions of dollars, but your copium is heavy i see, and even with that negative response from fans they won't do anything with the bad art style/design/lore/setting because F fans, why don't they make a Poll where people vote ?
@@MunkeyBrewster have you played Godsworn? It looks crisp and interesting while keeping things readable and clear, and made by just two guys, how is that possible?