A Powerpoint About Counter Cards

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  • Опубліковано 22 жов 2024

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  • @aldroydf35
    @aldroydf35 День тому +72

    I love how those cards almost always came out too late, and now they just shove cards that counter stuff in the expansion itself and it just feels bad

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  День тому +22

      mossy horror shrimply was the goat of witchwood

  • @ecolitos7444
    @ecolitos7444 День тому +40

    One fun thing about Golakka Crawler, is that it was even played IN pirates decks to counter other pirates decks

    • @TheSilverwolf97
      @TheSilverwolf97 День тому +11

      Not even for that, a turn 1 with a 1 mana pirate + patches into turn 2 Golakka Crawler to your own patches was amazing tempo for the time

  • @zoubithefly3258
    @zoubithefly3258 День тому +33

    star vulpera should be in the miniset if starship are too strong, not in the base set

  • @corvus2288
    @corvus2288 День тому +26

    >it came out in the era where druid wasn't balanced at all
    That doesn't narrow it down at all

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  День тому +10

      this is very true

    • @andriy_tato
      @andriy_tato День тому +1

      ​@@FlareIsGoneisn't druid in standard rather tame?

    • @popeneiad7968
      @popeneiad7968 День тому +2

      @@andriy_tatothey just came off the high of being the best class (as usual) last patch.

    • @jacobgushue866
      @jacobgushue866 День тому

      @@andriy_tatoit varies, but if you play it greedy enough it is the best late game deck

    • @7UPDoge
      @7UPDoge День тому +2

      The meta was known as druid stone, the game plan was ramp up then play ultimate infestation, the game has never seen a card like that, it was estimated to be 20 mana worth of effects at the time
      After UI was played you can really do anything, OTK, go big deck, jade, Arianna, cthun anything really

  • @martintc5906
    @martintc5906 День тому +8

    Blood Knight was used sometimes in zoo or aggresive decks because there were a couple low cost minions with divine shield in the meta ( the 1/1 and the 3/1 ) but that was only during early Hearthstone

  • @underscore5708
    @underscore5708 День тому +5

    Blood night vs giggling inventor was so strong even the giggling inventor decks would run it to get their own 3 mana 9/9

  • @GuraTheRabbit
    @GuraTheRabbit День тому +3

    Another good example would be jade idol and skulking Geist. Just completely shuts down jade Druid (good)

  • @oloc
    @oloc День тому +8

    I can't believe my goat Hungry Crab didn't make the presentation 😔
    Also my favorite card from the new set is Velen, finally he made a comeback

  • @csibeffasirtlel3614
    @csibeffasirtlel3614 День тому +16

    thats crazy he just showed himself naked like that

  • @pigeonmcdove8576
    @pigeonmcdove8576 День тому +2

    Emergency meeting gotta be the most flavourful card i've ever seen tbh. BTW the simple idea of making cards JUST to counter druid specifically is wild to me

  • @elderdragongamingedg9910
    @elderdragongamingedg9910 День тому +2

    My favourite card in the set is Exarch Othaar. I find it hilarious every time Blizzard shoe-horns arcane spells into a class that basically never had them before.

  • @imaforceanature7297
    @imaforceanature7297 22 години тому +1

    I didn’t realize until now that star vulpera doesn’t even destroy starships that are currently being built.

  • @ImBigLou
    @ImBigLou День тому +2

    The first time I hit Legend was in Rastakhan's Rumble playing Captain Hooktusk Tempo Rogue. I remember playing Zihi in that deck because the power level of the game was so low that just potentially disrupting the opponent's curve at all was usually good enough to warrant it being played. Something that you didn't mention about Zihi that I actually really liked about it was that if the game was going longer than you wanted it to, Zihi could essentially reset the curve back for both players away from high mana. And since I was playing a tempo/aggressive deck, a lot of the time I benefited more from being on the low curve. It wasn't anything too great, but I remember the card fondly

  • @jawnathan9951
    @jawnathan9951 День тому +1

    Lowkey loved waste warden back in Ashesh of Outland. It was a tech card I had fun with for Murlocs and demons during that time and it was still very bad but fun when it killed 2+ minions

  • @Quicksilvir
    @Quicksilvir День тому +1

    I seem to remember an old MtG design article where they talked about why they made counter cards. One reason is that when a player gets bodied by something, they have something they can go to to make themselves feel better, regardless if its good or not. Like, "I'm tired of losing to X location, i'm going to put Demolition Renovator in my deck".
    Another reason is that it can help prevent a new mechanic from being too oppresive and taking over the meta by having a safety valve. If the new mechanic is too good then the counter card helps lower its power, if it isn't dominant then why would you waste deck space on a narrow counter.
    One interesting element is that if everyone is playing the meta card and it's counter, non-meta decks get a teeny boost because their opponents have an overcosted tech card in their decks.
    There's an argument for having the tech card not come in the same set, but that comes with it's own downsides (like making it feel like the old mechanic has been killed to make way for the new one. Or being too little, too late to stop a meta powerhouse).

    • @vitorluiz7538
      @vitorluiz7538 21 годину тому +1

      I think MTG also favors the concept of tech cards more. A sideboard which players can swap cards with between matches makes tech cards much more playable. Likewise, a larger deck size combined with cards that can search for the tech card specifically can enable playing tech cards which you might not need all the time.
      Traditionally, tech cards are weak in Hearthstone, unless the meta is very skewed, and I think the lack of those factors MTG has are part of the issue.

  • @Chorus_Dawn
    @Chorus_Dawn День тому +1

    Excited for the new rogue card Quasar! Love your presentations, Flare!

  • @bokakev
    @bokakev День тому +1

    "No druid, you didn't ramp, get fucked." When will they put in a "get fucked" emote. I would reinstall HS just for that!

  • @absoluteunit582
    @absoluteunit582 День тому +4

    Mojomaster Zihi and Mossy Horror would be so cool at 4 mana...

    • @ultimatewinfestation7194
      @ultimatewinfestation7194 День тому +1

      The problem with setting Mossy Horror to 4 mana is that it power creeps the very iconic card Oasis Snapjaw (I’m half joking)

  • @victinity
    @victinity День тому +6

    Can you do a PowerPoint on the recent card changes and their effects on the game?

  • @KrivitskyM
    @KrivitskyM 22 години тому

    Oh damn, Flare's getting the pockets empty! Appreciate your efforts. Probably I'd have to name the Rogue spell that discovers a Starship Piece from another class. There are some really funny combinations you can stitch together.

  • @colbyallman
    @colbyallman День тому

    My favorite card so far this set is The Ceaseless Expanse. I was maining Holy Wrath Paladin before the Order in the Court nerf and as soon as I saw that beautiful triple-digit number I got a massive smile on my face. For years I've wanted a neutral or Paladin 30 cost card to make Renathal fights a little fairer. To get this is phenomenal. Also, you can't forget Skulking Geist! I run that card in every wild deck I make.

  • @Gourmetlongpig
    @Gourmetlongpig День тому

    My favorite card so far is Spore Empress Moldara. Start of game effects (other than Cho'gall) tend to be pretty enjoyable. I remember Blood Knight used to see play in early Hearthstone due to the 1 mana 1/1 and 3 mana 3/1 with divine shield being played back then, remember a few tournament highlights seeing pretty big Blood Knight's.

  • @rctcrhvggvh681
    @rctcrhvggvh681 День тому +1

    Fav legendary is the random chose one druid one for sure

  • @andreamarchesini9820
    @andreamarchesini9820 День тому

    Love your videos man. I must say, my favourite tech card that I used to play in almost every controll deck in wild has to be the Skulking Gheist. 6 mana fuck jade Druid and manacheat mage was such a serotonin rush when played

  • @benjismith2549
    @benjismith2549 День тому

    Blood knight saw play in odd paladin because not only would it kill the opponents divine shield, you also had so many divine shield minions yourself it was often worth it to remove it from your 1 drops.

  • @Faust227
    @Faust227 День тому +2

    The real problem with counter cards is that you are trading too much tempo for a tempo disruption. Thats why Golakka Crawler was so good cause even if the enemys doesn't play pirates its just a 2 mana 2/3 which is really decent for tempo at that era of heartstone. This specific counter cards are shit in tempo in the modern era thats why even the spell disruption most of the time its a burden in your deck rather than a tool, thats why i think Star Vulpera it will be shit (5 mana for a 4/5 which has no rush at least is dogshit in modern heartstone).

  • @papplejuicetv
    @papplejuicetv День тому

    Insanely hyped for the new Hunter legendary that gives tracking as a hero power. I simply can’t contain the hype

  • @ghostskgijoe5054
    @ghostskgijoe5054 18 годин тому

    You forgot the most iconic one, Hemit, ah yes, legendary tech card, with bad stats to hit beasts.
    For the new set I just like the starship mechanic altogether, it seems like fun.

  • @prezes3799
    @prezes3799 День тому

    5:45 I did craft nerubian weblord golden, it helped me in so many games as Reno Priest during Showdown

  • @vladimirefest4980
    @vladimirefest4980 День тому

    You didn’t mention skulking Geist. If I got the name wrong, the one that destroys all 1 mana spells.

  • @noahleever5832
    @noahleever5832 6 годин тому

    Hungry crab into Mutanus 😘🤌

  • @andreicecold4379
    @andreicecold4379 День тому +1

    I want Mojomaster in the core set next year, I think it would be incredible to reduce a druids mana by 11
    Also, my favorite card of this expansion so far is Lucky Comet, incredible artwork

  • @sheep9766
    @sheep9766 20 годин тому

    Favorite card in the new expac gotta be quasar. I will be trying to make a combo deck work with it on day 1.

  • @edu8499
    @edu8499 День тому

    Golakka Crawler is just Hungry Crab cousin

  • @1KingMajin
    @1KingMajin День тому

    I think counter cards could be better if they meet these requirements:
    Premium Stats
    Better Reward (ex. Destroy a pirate and equip a 2/2 weapon)
    Has a bonus effect (like a taunt or rush)

  • @eyesoftomorrow6647
    @eyesoftomorrow6647 День тому

    Tbf with the Reno Lone Ranger hard counter is that you do have to have a highlander deck. Which is good but your never playing like Highlander deathknight or warlock

  • @majorspazz9128
    @majorspazz9128 19 годин тому

    Big fan of new Hunter legendary that turns hp into tracking. Definitely slotting into my reno hunter deck

  • @fahad_8424
    @fahad_8424 День тому

    I freaking love the funny hand legendary for DK. It may look bad but it's fun bad for me

  • @lorenzogarese9601
    @lorenzogarese9601 День тому

    I remember all the mech decks from boomsday were absolute trash on release.
    They only became good after a couple of buffs and nerfs.
    Also, you forgot about Skulking Geist, it was introduced to destroy Jade Idols in Frozen Throne.

  • @ciciosweep
    @ciciosweep День тому

    I remember there was a pirate that destroys a beast to have those stats, or was a lucid dream?
    Counter the counter sounds fun

  • @connorwhite6722
    @connorwhite6722 День тому

    i really like the demon hunter starship it just looks so tight

  • @Trumpet007
    @Trumpet007 День тому

    It's crazy how they have a chance to balance adjust expansions with new cards in the middle of it (mini-sets) and they don't put the counter cards in there. Also my fav card this expansion is Perplexing Anomaly, flavor cards are always my favorite

  • @alonkob2127
    @alonkob2127 День тому

    I'm running into way too many Golakka Crawlers lately, I should probably start running Mossy Horror.

  • @antusThul
    @antusThul День тому

    Zihi was real good in it's expansion period because there were a significant amount of combo decks, which zihi works well against. After rastakhan the card fell off hard

  • @neloangelo2082
    @neloangelo2082 13 годин тому

    The new shaman cards seem fun. Murmur is going to be a menace

  • @guilhermemadureira5885
    @guilhermemadureira5885 День тому

    at the time zihi was considered one of the best legendaries (of rastakhan rumble lol) in standard if im not wrong, kinda insane to think about it

  • @corgimaster6587
    @corgimaster6587 День тому

    Abduction Ray for Warlock

  • @davidbowes7388
    @davidbowes7388 День тому

    Some of the DK cards seem interesting to me, especially the art

  • @bht665
    @bht665 21 годину тому +1

    who need star vulpera when you have priest amalhul and YOG in the game

  • @kajetangrzelczak5657
    @kajetangrzelczak5657 День тому

    I like death knights 8 mana destroy both players decks except for the highest 8 cards. Seems fire for more controlly meta

  • @algernonbunburyy7731
    @algernonbunburyy7731 23 години тому

    Favorite card might be the hunter legendary Exarch Naielle, i might make hunter playable again.

  • @darkraj4510
    @darkraj4510 День тому

    I fucking love the quasar card it looks like very fun combo maker

  • @RollzRoyce199
    @RollzRoyce199 День тому

    The term for these in MTG is "Hate Cards"

  • @electricVGC
    @electricVGC День тому

    I love 5 mana 3/3 destroy my own minion
    The demolition renovator is so dumb because most locations you get a lot of the value from on the turn you play them

  • @colbyallman
    @colbyallman День тому

    Can you please do a PowerPoint about Yogg-Saron, Hope's End?

  • @gianpaolocroce7928
    @gianpaolocroce7928 День тому

    I really like hunter cards this expansion.

  • @niknokin
    @niknokin День тому

    i like the among us card in demon hunter!

  • @joaopedrobaysf
    @joaopedrobaysf День тому

    Skulking Geist was made to attack Jade idol, or I am tripping?

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  День тому +2

      yeah I just didn't talk about it since mossy horror is my goat

  • @novaster7528
    @novaster7528 День тому

    Velen is my favorite card of this expansion but i gonna predict the shaman set it's evolve shaman or murloc shaman (excuse me for my English I'm french )

    • @michib70
      @michib70 День тому

      All the carda are leaked there is no poijt in predicting. Not spoiling, but the main shaman mechanic is something new.

  • @silverfsh
    @silverfsh День тому

    crewmates DH seems fun to play
    also hunter back to relevancy next season yay

  • @maksxplayer
    @maksxplayer 15 годин тому

    Cool vid!

  • @7UPDoge
    @7UPDoge День тому

    YOU FORGOT SKULKING GEIST!!!!

  • @popeneiad7968
    @popeneiad7968 День тому

    Wait, wait, wait… we nerfed Yogg in preparation for Starships, but then just release Star Vulpera?

    • @evanmatthews2159
      @evanmatthews2159 День тому

      In fairness, yogg is a much better card than vulpera is.

  • @duartelourenco9281
    @duartelourenco9281 День тому

    I like the new dreneais

  • @vandreadfma
    @vandreadfma День тому

    Man, a topic about Druid specific counter cards and my favorite one is not brought up. Poor Skulking Geist, I hope knowing jades suck make your hungry heart happy.

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  День тому +2

      yeah geist is also there I just wanted to not make a billion slides about druid xd

  • @benjaminjanssen14
    @benjaminjanssen14 День тому

    Big worm = good
    I love gorm

  • @gromadon1144
    @gromadon1144 День тому

    Mossy horror also obliterated odd/even paladin decks which took meta by storm
    And yeah giggling inventor too

  • @ronaldyang2295
    @ronaldyang2295 День тому

    My favorite card is still the new velen. Hoping it enables an infinite Draenei/velen deck with amalgams. Though im not looking forward to seeing things get poofed, thanks for great card design blizzard 😶

  • @marcmardu
    @marcmardu День тому

    He says that aggro decks are to fast now for spreading plague. Well, murloc shaman can kill the opponent as fast they can counter it: in turn 4. And murloc shaman isnt even in the meta. Imagine a deck that can defeat a Renathal opponent in turn 4 not being in the meta.

  • @akmalfakhruddin7285
    @akmalfakhruddin7285 18 годин тому

    How about that card that destroys secrets?

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  16 годин тому

      I did a separate video on tech cards that have more broad usage

  • @DrewPicklesTheDark
    @DrewPicklesTheDark День тому

    They need a "Destroy all pirates on the board, hand, deck, and the whole game." card.

  • @petersimonetti4875
    @petersimonetti4875 День тому

    How do I become a member on phone

  • @alisajwani4538
    @alisajwani4538 День тому

    You do know BGH exists right? And don’t tell me it counters starship piece cause you aren’t using 5 mana to destroy a starship piece.

  • @Spookylampboi
    @Spookylampboi День тому

    Just a minor note, I love the vids a lot but if ur gonna say 10 min in that this is what you wanted to make the video about…JUST MAKE THE VIDEO ABOUT THAT I get that you need watch time but if you don’t want to talk about stuff as much maybe, love the vids regardless!

    • @FlareIsGone
      @FlareIsGone  День тому +2

      I don't like talking about One or two cards, it's not really very interesting for anyone and it doesn't really let me see what other people think about the type of cards I'm talking about. I didn't talk about skulking geist in this video specifically because I knew a lot of people would connect the dots on it being similar to drive more engagement since I want to foster more of a community on UA-cam rather than just blankly talking and not having peoples opinions or experiences

    • @Spookylampboi
      @Spookylampboi День тому

      @@FlareIsGone yea I appreciate your channel a lot man! Idk ig that line caught me off guard lol, I realize you could’ve gone into ultra niche stuff too like the galaka killing pirate, other crabs, secret hate, etc so I’m happy w a 16 min vid still

  • @BigPeon
    @BigPeon День тому

    These cards sell ETC's

  • @HitmanKeto
    @HitmanKeto 18 годин тому

    Henlo i am here 4 gib away. Best card expansion? got to be the amongus cards. demon hunter is the worst but I would play it just for amogungsus demon hunter. I just wish they would actually give it more support after the expansion is over instead of abandoning it like they do with all the best mechanics. Like when is magnetic beast hunter coming back too. I hate hunter but that was a great idea and then just gone. I want robo mookla. Anyways yes flare robot man please give me all the give away money and also make me rich emperor of hearstone cards ty