They were. They had seen the Braves, Athletics, and the Browns/Orioles change cities due to lack of interest and palpable financial problems with forseeable consequences. This was NOT the issue in New York, particularly with the Dodgers. However, O'Malley saw the changing conditions and demographics in New York and Brooklyn. What people resented was that O'Malley's first and only instinct was to flee and take the club with him rather than stay and help stem the decline. Seizing the lucrative opportunity in Los Angeles was certainly understandable in a business sense. Maybe what he should have done was to leave the Dodgers and seek an expansion franchise in LA like the American League did only three years later, but moving a prestige and still profitable team like the Dodgers was not only easier logistically, but LA was getting an immediate contender. They won the World Series in their second year in LA. All of this exacerbated the pain and heartache in Brooklyn. There is little wonder then, that O'Malley is eviscerated in Brooklyn to this very day.
i feel bad for you. but as a Los Angeles Dodgers fan, i'm proud of what they've accomplished in the 63 years in L.A . best organization in the NL and 2nd best in all of baseball after the Yanks.
And I’m glad in history that never happened in NYC they can keep that one chip in 1955. But we all know the giants were more dominant in NYC during the time in Gotham
@@jaepesci1685 Giants had more success than Dodgers on the East coast. Dodgers have had more success than Giants on the West coast. i hope that clarifies things for you.
Fast forward to the 2010s. The New Jersey Nets got an NBA Arena built at Atlantic Terminal which is where Walter O'Malley wanted a stadium for the Dodgers. The New Jersey Nets were good enough for a sporting venue near the NYC Subway and Long Island Railroad in Brooklyn but the Brooklyn Dodgers weren't?
I was and am a Brooklyn Dodges fan sin e I was about five years old. I was ten years when heard that the Dodgers were moving to Los Angeles, my response was, "They are gonna do what, threy gonna go where, THEY CAN'T DO THAT"!
O'Malley was the prime reason, not Moses. O'Malley didn't just want the Atlantic Avenue spot, he wanted Moses to take it by eminent domain and give it to him for nothing. Otherwise he was gone. O'Malley wanted to maximize profit, pure and simple, and 1950s LA was big virgin territory.
The Dodgers and O'Malley got lucky in the sense that in 1941 and again in the years after World War Two, the St. Louis Browns sought permission to move to Los Angeles. In 1941, the move was almost set but then Pearl Harbor happened. Unfortunately, as of December 7 the vote for approval hadn't occurred, and when it did the owners did not approve due to travel concerns resulting from the war. After the war ended, Bill Veeck purchased the Browns, and it wasn't long before he determined that staying in St. Louis was dependent on greasing the skids to get the Cardinals out of town. Cardinals owner Fred Saigh was in deep financial and legal trouble, and there was considerable speculation that both Milwaukee and Baltimore interests were going to rescue Saigh financially by buying and moving the team. After Anheuser Busch bought the Cardinals, it was clear they weren't going anywhere. It was then when Veeck started looking into Los Angeles. The other MLB owners, who had by then developed insurmountable enmity toward Veeck, turned down his proposal flat. He looked into Milwaukee, but by then it was confirmed that the Boston Braves would start play in Milwaukee in 1953. Veeck ended up selling to Baltimore interests, and the Baltimore Orioles were reincarnated for the 1954 season.
The Dodgers leaving Brooklyn was much more complicated than this little segment presented. O'Malley wanted n.y. to build the Dodgers a stadium or give them the land to do so.robert mosses Who was the most powerful unelected official in n.y refused to play ball with that idea. Ironically the city eventually did that for Mets in queens when the city built shea Stadium and leased back to them.
@@kevinmiller6324 Moses was NYC Parks Commissioner and Chairman of the Long Island State Parks Commission. Moses was responsible for almost every major expressway in NYC and Long Island. He built just about all of the toll bridges. Not bad for a guy who never held a driver's license. He was known as "The Power Broker".
@@kevinmiller6324 Moses couidnt have cared less about the Dodgers leaving. He got what he wanted when the Mets got the stadium he wanted to build for the Dodgers in Queens.
@@kevinmiller6324 I know the Braves' move to Milwaukee was a big tipping point. And the Dodgers were still making money. But the N.Y Giants were in a terrible way. Stoneham would probably have gone to Minnesota alone.
"Jobs" ? 90% of those day workers at MLB mallparks on game days are making minimum wage. At least O'Malley didn't stick taxpayers with the cost of building the place.
+ziggy morris NO. The city of Los Angeles were evicting families from Chavez Ravine before the Dodgers came to the west coast. There was a housing development going on at the time in which families with low income living in Chavez Ravine were given opportunities to move back into a better home in the Elysian Park Heights development. Some residents bought into the idea and sold their houses for peanuts. Then all of a sudden the city canceled the housing development. Some left and others were forced out of their homes. So Chavez Ravine was a just a wide open piece of land that they didn't know what to do with. That's when the mayor Norris Polton, the city of Los Angeles struck a deal with Walter O'Malley to bring the Dodgers to LA and offered him Chavez Ravine. But it wasn't an easy task. They had to fight a long legal battle. The Supreme Court got involved. In short, do your research before you accuse someone or in this case a baseball team for forcing families out of their homes.
Don't tell ziggy to do his research, Gabriel, when your own is suspect. You provide no dates or links to verify your statements, and you don't write clearly. As one example, "families...living in Chavez Ravine were given opportunities to move back into...Elysian Park Heights..." The word "back" indicates they had previously lived in the Heights. But that's not what you mean, is it? Anyway, L.A. is as corrupt as any city on earth, so fingering O'Malley as the prime culprit is unfair, but I doubt if he was blameless either.
Grewup in SoCal in the 50's and remember the excitement of having the Dodgers in Los Angeles. However, it wasn't all 'Roses'. When Chavez Ravine was choosen as the site for the new ballpark. It was primarily a Mexican neighborhood. The people who lived in the area were offered pennies on the dollar for their homes and land. Great controversy ensued and home owners refused the offer. Protests broke out and the City of Los Angeles ended claiming 'Eminent Domain' over the homes and landin Chavez Ravine. Don't remember how exactly home and land owners were finally compensated. It was wildly reported in the LA Times, Herald Examinier, Long Beach Press Telegram and as faraway as Orange and San Diego Counties.
Moses offered the land where Shea Stadium was. Brooklyn wasnt the same by 1957 b/c middle class whites fled to the suburbs in droves. In the end, O'Malley went with his mind over his heart b/c who in their right mind turns down 300 acres of LA? Heck, he even got the Cubs to switch territorial rights with his. They had LA. He had Ft Worth. No wonder he's got a plaque in Cooperstown
The issue was and always has been and will always continue to be that there is no room! I've lived in New York practically my entire life and I can tell you there is very little room to even park
#7 line to Shea. #4 to Yankee Stadium. I parked at an LIRR station, and after the game, I was in my car before most drivers were out of the stadium parking.
This is such a misleading report. NY got the Mets so redemption comes along. The Dodgers were offered the same deal as the Mets got and was extremely profitable for them. The Giants were moving to Minneapolis until O’Malley coaxed them to SF because he needed a second team to move west. It wasn’t good for New York but we got the Mets and everything worked out for the best.
O'Malley couldn't get to LA unless another team went to California with him. The Giants move to SF was announced in August 1957, two months before the Dodgers made theirs official. True, NY got the Mets. They've always been viewed as descendants of the Brooklyn Dodgers. Just look at the outside of Citi Field. It's a replica of Ebbets Field.
frdjr252 that was low hanging fruit for O’Malley to talk Stoneham into going to SF. He was already planning move to Minneapolis so it was a piece of cake for O’Malley. NL actually authorized move in May 1957 but each team delayed announcement so as not to make it obvious it was a lame duck season. Didn’t really work as most fans knew the moves were going to happen.
@@hamburg1306 Very true! Attendance at both Ebbets Field and the Polo Grounds was dropping. The Dodgers played some games in Jersey City, NJ in 1956 and '57.
frdjr252 well he played the games in Jersey City to send a message that he’d have no qualms leaving Ebbets Field and Brooklyn if he didn’t get Atlantic and Flatbush. Dodgers attendance was 2nd in the league behind Milwaukee in 1957 and he drew over a million in a small ballpark. Plus he had lucrative tv deal with WOR so Dodgers were profitable in Brooklyn despite the shortcomings of aging Ebbets Field. The Giants on the other hand were struggling. It’s ok to share blame with Moses who could’ve given O’Malley the land he wanted. In today’s world O’Malley would’ve gotten what he wanted but that was then this is now. It’s just the revisionist history that takes O’Malley completely off the hook that bothers me. By these comments New York should publicly apologize to O’Malley posthumously award him the key to the city and throw a ticker tape parade for his heirs.
@@hamburg1306 When the Dodgers arrived in LA in 1958, O'Malley refused to have the games televised locally. O'Malley felt that TV had ruined attendance in Brooklyn. The only games televised in LA were the 9 games played in San Francisco. I don't agree with the revisionist history that absolves O'Malley and blames Moses, either.
Quohavoc up the Dodgers were the second richest team in the league,with one of the best attendance records in the league which put them in the top 5 for most valuable.
@@TheBatugan77 - The Yankees ran them out??? You can't be serious! Both teams were drawing well, unlike the Braves, Athletics and Browns before they moved. O'Malley saw greener pastures in LA and wanted to get there first before anyone else did. He saw the Browns try twice, and the Braves, Athletics and Browns move to closer cities, and it was a matter of time when someone would try LA again, and he wasn't about to get outhustled. He covered all his bases, including pushing and then persuading Stoneham to move the Giants to San Fran at the same time. Unlike many who have written in here, I don't believe he ever wanted to stay in Brooklyn. He wanted LA, period. Makes me wonder how involved he got in the establishment of the AL Angels in LA, either in support, or more likely, in opposition.
@@JustWinBabee You are wrong about O’Malley. He desperately wanted to stay in Brooklyn. Read The Dodgers move west by Neil Sullivan. O’Malley offered to build a stadium in Brooklyn with his own money. It was Robert Moses and the NYC administration that was trying to force him into Queens. He had a spot in Brooklyn that would’ve been in a better area with parking needed as more people were now driving to games.
Julius M they didn't let them leave dumb ass, they made several good offers to both clubs, but every time they did, the owners kept asking for more and more to the point the demands became ridiculous.
Wrong. Evil Robert Moses screwed O'Malley at every turn. This is not sympathy for the Demon that was Walter O'Malley. Robert Moses was the Devil himself. O'malley wanted to build a stadium on Atlantic and Flatbush but Moses screwed him and after screwing him threw the bone of the site of Shea Stadium
The revisionism that tries to put the blame on Robert Moses is 100% crap spread by Peter O'Malley and company in an attempt to rehabilitate his father's image. The book "Taking On The Yankees" by Henry Fetter has pointed out that (1) Atlantic Avenue was NOT going to solve the traffic problem O'Malley was complaining about (2) O'Malley placed an unreasonable demand on the city that they condemn all the adjoining property around the stadium site and foot the bill (meaning the taxpayers) for the relocation of all businesses around Atlantic Avenue so O'Malley would get what amounted to a $9 million sweetheart deal leaving him free to profit from the land surrounding the stadium site. That idea was totally unacceptable to all rational thinking New York politicians who ordinarily were some of Robert Moses' worst enemies. Like it or not, Shea Stadium was a perfectly good site for baseball and we have forgotten that in 1964 it was considered state of the art. Dodger fans would have accepted them in Queens ultimately (though Moses might have been better advised to do an end run around O'Malley and convince Horace Stoneham into staying in NY with the Shea site).
Thebandit no, not wrong, O’Malley pitted the LA group against the Brooklyn group until one of them quit. The sheer size of the stadium that O’Malley wanted wouldn’t have been possible given the demands he had. Do you even know the specifics of it?
The perception of Brooklyn as a place to live and work in was irreparably damaged by the Dodgers move to LA. Shea Stadium in Queens was a symbol of NYC's eastward movement. Many families moved from Brooklyn to Long Island in the 50s. My family was one of them.
How come nobody makes a big stink when teams like th e St. Louis Brown's moved t o Baltimore or the Philadelp is A's to Kansas City, but m- oving the Giants & Dodgers out of N.Y., fans of both tea ms wanted to lynch the ow- ners? Lou Perini should've kept the Braved in Boston & spent money to upgrade the team.Changing cities doesn' t necessarily guarantee suc- cess. The A's history in KC proves that.
The Dodgers were profitable in Brooklyn, but given their circumstances it was probably unsustainable. Love him or hate him, O'Malley saw the future. LA was growing in 1957. The other teams that moved before the Dodgers were losing money.
frdjr252 he would’ve made lots of money in New York but it would’ve had to be in Flushing not Atlantic and Flatbush. But you’re correct the difference between the Dodgers and all the other moves was that the Dodgers were profitable team and the other teams that moved were the second fiddles in their cities.
If it was just Giants who moved nobody would care, however the Dodgers were a wildly successful, popular, and profitable franchise, making their move far more unusually and noteworthy, hence why it’s still remembered till today
The PCL wasn't like the AAFC, WHA and the ABA, or the Federal League. Players weren't eschewing the Major Leagues and signing for more money to play for the San Francisco Seals or the Hollywood Stars.
the political a administrations that have run New York for generations have been pathetic . They did the same thing 20 years later letting the Giants and Jets move to jersey .
“They didn’t lose one team they lost TWO” Lady they were fine with the fucking yankees. Any city would’ve been fine with losing two over keeping a team that was consistently winning championships.
No, she just didn't see the big picture, particularly when she said New York was foolish enough to let two teams go. The Giants weren't even on the radar until O'Malley went to work on Stoneham to move the Giants to California so the Dodgers wouldn't be on the West Coast alone. They substantially were a package deal.
Why wasn't Fernando Valenzuela mentioned about pitchers winning Championships for the Dodgers but they did mention Kershaw? Kershaw is good, don't get me wrong but he has not gotten Any World Series championship. I guess he was mentioned because he's white and Valenzuela Mexican. Kershaw hasn't even accomplished a lot Valenzuela has. I'm just saying 🤔 🤔🤔 🤔
Man what a story could not imagine LA without my Dodgers I feel for Brooklyn fans they must've been heartbroken
They were. They had seen the Braves, Athletics, and the Browns/Orioles change cities due to lack of interest and palpable financial problems with forseeable consequences. This was NOT the issue in New York, particularly with the Dodgers. However, O'Malley saw the changing conditions and demographics in New York and Brooklyn. What people resented was that O'Malley's first and only instinct was to flee and take the club with him rather than stay and help stem the decline. Seizing the lucrative opportunity in Los Angeles was certainly understandable in a business sense. Maybe what he should have done was to leave the Dodgers and seek an expansion franchise in LA like the American League did only three years later, but moving a prestige and still profitable team like the Dodgers was not only easier logistically, but LA was getting an immediate contender. They won the World Series in their second year in LA. All of this exacerbated the pain and heartache in Brooklyn. There is little wonder then, that O'Malley is eviscerated in Brooklyn to this very day.
Who cares about Dem Bums. We have the Mets!
@@donaldsheeley184 - Yeah, but how does this help Brooklyn?
@@JustWinBabee hop the G and switch to the 7, it's easy
Especially knowing they won the WS in LA only a couple years later in 1959.
Dodgers moving gutted my grandfather. To see them win multiple championships was just salt in the wounds.
Sad.
i feel bad for you. but as a Los Angeles Dodgers fan, i'm proud of what they've accomplished in the 63 years in L.A . best organization in the NL and 2nd best in all of baseball after the Yanks.
Thank Robert Mosses for screwing the Dodger fans of Brooklyn!
And I’m glad in history that never happened in NYC they can keep that one chip in 1955. But we all know the giants were more dominant in NYC during the time in Gotham
@@jaepesci1685 Giants had more success than Dodgers on the East coast. Dodgers have had more success than Giants on the West coast. i hope that clarifies things for you.
Fast forward to the 2010s. The New Jersey Nets got an NBA Arena built at Atlantic Terminal which is where Walter O'Malley wanted a stadium for the Dodgers. The New Jersey Nets were good enough for a sporting venue near the NYC Subway and Long Island Railroad in Brooklyn but the Brooklyn Dodgers weren't?
I was and am a Brooklyn Dodges fan sin e I was about five years old. I was ten years when heard that the Dodgers were moving to Los Angeles, my response was, "They are gonna do what, threy gonna go where, THEY CAN'T DO THAT"!
O'Malley was the prime reason, not Moses. O'Malley didn't just want the Atlantic Avenue spot, he wanted Moses to take it by eminent domain and give it to him for nothing. Otherwise he was gone. O'Malley wanted to maximize profit, pure and simple, and 1950s LA was big virgin territory.
O'Malley was willing to build the stadium himself though. LA GAVE him 300 acres, displacing lots of people in the process. That was actually worse.
@@TheBatugan77With his own money. He had the money to build the Dodger Dome, but didn't have the money to buy the land.
RIP Rosalind Wyman. October 4th, 1926-Oct. 26th, 2022.
The Dodgers and O'Malley got lucky in the sense that in 1941 and again in the years after World War Two, the St. Louis Browns sought permission to move to Los Angeles. In 1941, the move was almost set but then Pearl Harbor happened. Unfortunately, as of December 7 the vote for approval hadn't occurred, and when it did the owners did not approve due to travel concerns resulting from the war. After the war ended, Bill Veeck purchased the Browns, and it wasn't long before he determined that staying in St. Louis was dependent on greasing the skids to get the Cardinals out of town. Cardinals owner Fred Saigh was in deep financial and legal trouble, and there was considerable speculation that both Milwaukee and Baltimore interests were going to rescue Saigh financially by buying and moving the team. After Anheuser Busch bought the Cardinals, it was clear they weren't going anywhere. It was then when Veeck started looking into Los Angeles. The other MLB owners, who had by then developed insurmountable enmity toward Veeck, turned down his proposal flat. He looked into Milwaukee, but by then it was confirmed that the Boston Braves would start play in Milwaukee in 1953. Veeck ended up selling to Baltimore interests, and the Baltimore Orioles were reincarnated for the 1954 season.
Now it's a boxing ring for unruly Dodger fans beating up people
The Dodgers leaving Brooklyn was much more complicated than this little segment presented. O'Malley wanted n.y. to build the Dodgers a stadium or give them the land to do so.robert mosses Who was the most powerful unelected official in n.y refused to play ball with that idea.
Ironically the city eventually did that for
Mets in queens when the city built shea
Stadium and leased back to them.
In his day, Robert Moses was more powerful than any elected official in NYC, including the mayor!
@@frdjr2527 Moses thought O'Malley's attempt to move the Dodgers out of Brooklyn was nothing more than a bluff. Well, Moses, guess who's bluffing now?
@@frdjr2527 I'd like to know how Moses came into power, considering he was never even elected?
@@kevinmiller6324 Moses was NYC Parks Commissioner and Chairman of the Long Island State Parks Commission. Moses was responsible for almost every major expressway in NYC and Long Island. He built just about all of the toll bridges. Not bad for a guy who never held a driver's license. He was known as "The Power Broker".
@@kevinmiller6324 Moses couidnt have cared less about the Dodgers leaving. He got what he wanted when the Mets got the stadium he wanted to build for the Dodgers in Queens.
Great Video!
Great report Doug.
Would have been interesting to see a domed stadium in Brooklyn years ahead of the Astrodome.
@todd long
Domes suck todd?
You suck!
Sit down, and shut up.
O'Malley was an engineer, and he could have envisioned it and got it done.
I'd like to know if the Dodgers and Giants would have moved had the St. Louis Browns hadn't moved to Baltimore?
@@kevinmiller6324 I know the Braves' move to Milwaukee was a big tipping point. And the Dodgers were still making money. But the N.Y Giants were in a terrible way. Stoneham would probably have gone to Minnesota alone.
@@JustWinBabee O'Malley, like Moses, was a scumbag!
I ve seen enough!!! Brooklyn lives!!!
"Jobs" ? 90% of those day workers at MLB mallparks on game days are making minimum wage.
At least O'Malley didn't stick taxpayers with the cost of building the place.
wiedep wiedep instead he had the city unlawfully evict hundreds of families from Chavez Ravine so he could build his ballpark.
+ziggy morris NO. The city of Los Angeles were evicting families from Chavez Ravine before the Dodgers came to the west coast. There was a housing development going on at the time in which families with low income living in Chavez Ravine were given opportunities to move back into a better home in the Elysian Park Heights development. Some residents bought into the idea and sold their houses for peanuts. Then all of a sudden the city canceled the housing development. Some left and others were forced out of their homes. So Chavez Ravine was a just a wide open piece of land that they didn't know what to do with. That's when the mayor Norris Polton, the city of Los Angeles struck a deal with Walter O'Malley to bring the Dodgers to LA and offered him Chavez Ravine. But it wasn't an easy task. They had to fight a long legal battle. The Supreme Court got involved. In short, do your research before you accuse someone or in this case a baseball team for forcing families out of their homes.
Don't tell ziggy to do his research, Gabriel, when your own is suspect. You provide no dates or links to verify your statements, and you don't write clearly. As one example, "families...living in Chavez Ravine were given opportunities to move back into...Elysian Park Heights..." The word "back" indicates they had previously lived in the Heights. But that's not what you mean, is it? Anyway, L.A. is as corrupt as any city on earth, so fingering O'Malley as the prime culprit is unfair, but I doubt if he was blameless either.
@@gabrielquesnot7840
Why don't you SHOVE your research suggestions, you long-winded gasbag.
@@ziggymorris8760
GivesAShit? Get going, Julio!
Grewup in SoCal in the 50's and remember the excitement of having the Dodgers in Los Angeles. However, it wasn't all 'Roses'. When Chavez Ravine was choosen as the site for the new ballpark. It was primarily a Mexican neighborhood. The people who lived in the area were offered pennies on the dollar for their homes and land. Great controversy ensued and home owners refused the offer. Protests broke out and the City of Los Angeles ended claiming 'Eminent Domain' over the homes and landin Chavez Ravine. Don't remember how exactly home and land owners were finally compensated. It was wildly reported in the LA Times, Herald Examinier, Long Beach Press Telegram and as faraway as Orange and San Diego Counties.
what if rob Moses let O'Malley buy land on flatbush n alt
Moses offered the land where Shea Stadium was. Brooklyn wasnt the same by 1957 b/c middle class whites fled to the suburbs in droves. In the end, O'Malley went with his mind over his heart b/c who in their right mind turns down 300 acres of LA? Heck, he even got the Cubs to switch territorial rights with his. They had LA. He had Ft Worth. No wonder he's got a plaque in Cooperstown
The issue was and always has been and will always continue to be that there is no room! I've lived in New York practically my entire life and I can tell you there is very little room to even park
#7 line to Shea.
#4 to Yankee Stadium.
I parked at an LIRR station, and after the game, I was in my car before most drivers were out of the stadium parking.
Dodgers belong in Brooklyn not Los Angeles.
This is such a misleading report. NY got the Mets so redemption comes along. The Dodgers were offered the same deal as the Mets got and was extremely profitable for them. The Giants were moving to Minneapolis until O’Malley coaxed them to SF because he needed a second team to move west. It wasn’t good for New York but we got the Mets and everything worked out for the best.
O'Malley couldn't get to LA unless another team went to California with him. The Giants move to SF was announced in August 1957, two months before the Dodgers made theirs official. True, NY got the Mets. They've always been viewed as descendants of the Brooklyn Dodgers. Just look at the outside of Citi Field. It's a replica of Ebbets Field.
frdjr252 that was low hanging fruit for O’Malley to talk Stoneham into going to SF. He was already planning move to Minneapolis so it was a piece of cake for O’Malley. NL actually authorized move in May 1957 but each team delayed announcement so as not to make it obvious it was a lame duck season. Didn’t really work as most fans knew the moves were going to happen.
@@hamburg1306 Very true! Attendance at both Ebbets Field and the Polo Grounds was dropping. The Dodgers played some games in Jersey City, NJ in 1956 and '57.
frdjr252 well he played the games in Jersey City to send a message that he’d have no qualms leaving Ebbets Field and Brooklyn if he didn’t get Atlantic and Flatbush. Dodgers attendance was 2nd in the league behind Milwaukee in 1957 and he drew over a million in a small ballpark. Plus he had lucrative tv deal with WOR so Dodgers were profitable in Brooklyn despite the shortcomings of aging Ebbets Field. The Giants on the other hand were struggling. It’s ok to share blame with Moses who could’ve given O’Malley the land he wanted. In today’s world O’Malley would’ve gotten what he wanted but that was then this is now. It’s just the revisionist history that takes O’Malley completely off the hook that bothers me. By these comments New York should publicly apologize to O’Malley posthumously award him the key to the city and throw a ticker tape parade for his heirs.
@@hamburg1306 When the Dodgers arrived in LA in 1958, O'Malley refused to have the games televised locally. O'Malley felt that TV had ruined attendance in Brooklyn. The only games televised in LA were the 9 games played in San Francisco. I don't agree with the revisionist history that absolves O'Malley and blames Moses, either.
and Roz the dodgers were not the prime sports franchise,ever hear of the NY YANKEES
Quohavoc up the Dodgers were the second richest team in the league,with one of the best attendance records in the league which put them in the top 5 for most valuable.
Yeah, we heard of em. They're no big deal tbh. Would rather have the Dodgers.
@Rick Raban yeah, Rick.
Sure. That's why the Yanks ran em both out. Are you really that dense?
@@TheBatugan77 - The Yankees ran them out??? You can't be serious! Both teams were drawing well, unlike the Braves, Athletics and Browns before they moved. O'Malley saw greener pastures in LA and wanted to get there first before anyone else did. He saw the Browns try twice, and the Braves, Athletics and Browns move to closer cities, and it was a matter of time when someone would try LA again, and he wasn't about to get outhustled. He covered all his bases, including pushing and then persuading Stoneham to move the Giants to San Fran at the same time. Unlike many who have written in here, I don't believe he ever wanted to stay in Brooklyn. He wanted LA, period. Makes me wonder how involved he got in the establishment of the AL Angels in LA, either in support, or more likely, in opposition.
@@JustWinBabee You are wrong about O’Malley. He desperately wanted to stay in Brooklyn. Read The Dodgers move west by Neil Sullivan. O’Malley offered to build a stadium in Brooklyn with his own money. It was Robert Moses and the NYC administration that was trying to force him into Queens. He had a spot in Brooklyn that would’ve been in a better area with parking needed as more people were now driving to games.
We lost the Dodgers but gained the Mets !!! Woo wooo 🥳
You lost the Giants also and the Mets stole their cap logo but then pretend to be Brooklyn
@@losermidgetslob3878 That’s perhaps the best discerption of the Mets I’ve ever heard LMAO
they started out as the Brooklyn Bridegrooms? should of been bridesmaids since finishing 2nd best became their m.o. hahaha
piss off
Thanks Robert Moses from a LA Dodgers fan
Don't be fooled. The one you should thank is Walter O'Malley.
New York was the big losers when they allowed the Dodgers & Giants. Poor Brooklyn Fans. Thanks to Robert Moses.
Julius M they didn't let them leave dumb ass, they made several good offers to both clubs, but every time they did, the owners kept asking for more and more to the point the demands became ridiculous.
Wrong. Evil Robert Moses screwed O'Malley at every turn. This is not sympathy for the Demon that was Walter O'Malley. Robert Moses was the Devil himself. O'malley wanted to build a stadium on Atlantic and Flatbush but Moses screwed him and after screwing him threw the bone of the site of Shea Stadium
The revisionism that tries to put the blame on Robert Moses is 100% crap spread by Peter O'Malley and company in an attempt to rehabilitate his father's image. The book "Taking On The Yankees" by Henry Fetter has pointed out that (1) Atlantic Avenue was NOT going to solve the traffic problem O'Malley was complaining about (2) O'Malley placed an unreasonable demand on the city that they condemn all the adjoining property around the stadium site and foot the bill (meaning the taxpayers) for the relocation of all businesses around Atlantic Avenue so O'Malley would get what amounted to a $9 million sweetheart deal leaving him free to profit from the land surrounding the stadium site. That idea was totally unacceptable to all rational thinking New York politicians who ordinarily were some of Robert Moses' worst enemies.
Like it or not, Shea Stadium was a perfectly good site for baseball and we have forgotten that in 1964 it was considered state of the art. Dodger fans would have accepted them in Queens ultimately (though Moses might have been better advised to do an end run around O'Malley and convince Horace Stoneham into staying in NY with the Shea site).
Thebandit no, not wrong, O’Malley pitted the LA group against the Brooklyn group until one of them quit. The sheer size of the stadium that O’Malley wanted wouldn’t have been possible given the demands he had.
Do you even know the specifics of it?
The perception of Brooklyn as a place to live and work in was irreparably damaged by the Dodgers move to LA. Shea Stadium in Queens was a symbol of NYC's eastward movement. Many families moved from Brooklyn to Long Island in the 50s. My family was one of them.
How come nobody makes a big stink when teams like th e St. Louis Brown's moved t o Baltimore or the Philadelp is A's to Kansas City, but m- oving the Giants & Dodgers out of N.Y., fans of both tea ms wanted to lynch the ow- ners? Lou Perini should've kept the Braved in Boston & spent money to upgrade the team.Changing cities doesn' t necessarily guarantee suc- cess. The A's history in KC proves that.
GivesAShit, kevin?
Go peddle your useless horseshit (🐎💩) elsewhere.
The Dodgers were profitable in Brooklyn, but given their circumstances it was probably unsustainable. Love him or hate him, O'Malley saw the future. LA was growing in 1957. The other teams that moved before the Dodgers were losing money.
frdjr252 he would’ve made lots of money in New York but it would’ve had to be in Flushing not Atlantic and Flatbush. But you’re correct the difference between the Dodgers and all the other moves was that the Dodgers were profitable team and the other teams that moved were the second fiddles in their cities.
Don’t forget the Braves leaving Boston for Milwaukee. They might have stayed if the Giants had moved to Mpls as planned.
If it was just Giants who moved nobody would care, however the Dodgers were a wildly successful, popular, and profitable franchise, making their move far more unusually and noteworthy, hence why it’s still remembered till today
Ebbets field became Barclays center
Well, the new stadium site that the Dodgers wanted to build at became the Barclay's Center.
@@amazing50000 that's what I said
Not quite. Barclays Center is located across the street IINM from the site of the proposed Dodgers stadium.
Not true. It’s nearby but actually a shopping center is on the proposed site.
@@splashnskillz37
No it fkn isnt, dweeb.
So promoting the PCL teams was out of the question?
The PCL wasn't like the AAFC, WHA and the ABA, or the Federal League. Players weren't eschewing the Major Leagues and signing for more money to play for the San Francisco Seals or the Hollywood Stars.
@@JustWinBabeePlayers like Sal Maglie jumped to the Mexican League to play for more money.
the political a administrations that have run New York for generations have been pathetic . They did the same thing 20 years later letting the Giants and Jets move to jersey .
And how many did those bums won in Brooklyn? They’re the joke of NY city compare to the giants in NY City
I was too young to experience that kind of emotional involvement.
“They didn’t lose one team they lost TWO”
Lady they were fine with the fucking yankees. Any city would’ve been fine with losing two over keeping a team that was consistently winning championships.
Don't talk like that to the lady. Or you'll get a steel-toed boot jammed up your shit-chute. Son.
Teams should be owned by the ppl & city not rich old men
Oh bullshit.
@@TheBatugan77 OK Donald Sterling
so Roz Wyman is slightly full of crap.or she just misspoke
No, she just didn't see the big picture, particularly when she said New York was foolish enough to let two teams go. The Giants weren't even on the radar until O'Malley went to work on Stoneham to move the Giants to California so the Dodgers wouldn't be on the West Coast alone. They substantially were a package deal.
Chavez latrine
Robert Martrash
Candledick Park...
@@TheBatugan77that place was a total joke...especially at night
They should have moved to Jersey City.
Why wasn't Fernando Valenzuela mentioned about pitchers winning Championships for the Dodgers but they did mention Kershaw? Kershaw is good, don't get me wrong but he has not gotten Any World Series championship. I guess he was mentioned because he's white and Valenzuela Mexican. Kershaw hasn't even accomplished a lot Valenzuela has. I'm just saying 🤔 🤔🤔 🤔
Be quiet, westie
SHOVE it, westie.
Blow it out your shit-chute, westie.
Hey westie! Why don't you kiss my big beef burrito!
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