Badgey Becomes A Digital God And Ascends - Star Trek Lower Decks 4x07

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  • Badgey Becomes A Digital God And Ascends - Star Trek Lower Decks 4x07

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  • @brll5733
    @brll5733 11 місяців тому +1402

    Love the message. You ascend, understand it all, see the beauty and realise evil is pointless.
    Very optimistic, very Trek

    • @WarGrowlmon18
      @WarGrowlmon18 11 місяців тому +25

      More like very Stargate

    • @joeswanson733
      @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +16

      in the end its all pointless.

    • @shadowofbosstown
      @shadowofbosstown 11 місяців тому +7

      and it's as old as dirt.

    • @Nemrai
      @Nemrai 11 місяців тому +51

      @@WarGrowlmon18 Ascension in Stargate didn't make you a good being though, there were many examples of that.

    • @Jestersage
      @Jestersage 11 місяців тому +31

      @@Nemrai Case in point: Anubus (a single one), Ori (entire race who then decide to form a religion)

  • @Marguns21
    @Marguns21 11 місяців тому +496

    The Borg must have been.
    "We know we assimilate everything but what the heck was that?"

    • @carlosrivas1629
      @carlosrivas1629 5 місяців тому +25

      they had an idea, and just went with the worst possible plane.

  • @JohnPeacekeeper
    @JohnPeacekeeper 11 місяців тому +593

    When you manage to somehow make an AI that ascends to godhood...
    The only thing Buenamigo got right was that Rutherford is a real genius

    • @devinnall2284
      @devinnall2284 11 місяців тому +41

      Seriously that's definitely something you put on your resume

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 11 місяців тому +19

      IDK the Ent-D main computer did this on its own. I think it's just endemic of this era's advanced computer tech colliding with the Federation's lack of experience with full on AI.

    • @watchm4ker
      @watchm4ker 10 місяців тому +9

      @@rubaiyat300 It came close, but it wasn't full Ascension. More of a new, "Isolinear-based" lifeform.

    • @stainlesssteelfox1
      @stainlesssteelfox1 9 місяців тому +3

      V'ger. That is all.

    • @Howyaduing
      @Howyaduing 9 місяців тому +3

      Weasley Crusher created a whole new civilization from nano bots that where originally made for his Science project

  • @MSAWCartoonist
    @MSAWCartoonist 11 місяців тому +450

    i figured they were gonna rid of badgey in this episode but i did NOT expect it to go down like this

    • @nackteHintern
      @nackteHintern 11 місяців тому +31

      You mean "Go up like this"

    • @MSAWCartoonist
      @MSAWCartoonist 11 місяців тому +8

      @@nackteHintern yes, of course XD

    • @dm121984
      @dm121984 3 місяці тому +3

      I mean, yeah, it was abit out of left field. But when you suddenly have god like power, petty revenge suddenly seems less forefilling

  • @julianmarco4185
    @julianmarco4185 11 місяців тому +186

    Anyone remember this?
    "I AM BECOMING PURE ENERGY! THE UNIVERSE IS BALANCED ON THE BACK OF A KOALA? WHY IS HE SMILING?! WHAT DOES HE KNOW!? THE SECRET. OF THE. UNIVERSE. IS! AAAAGHH!"

    • @joeswanson733
      @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +29

      everyone that ascends reacts differently.
      that lt. as a human reacts to ascension and the wonders sdifferently than badgey who already had a more nonlinear perception of reality
      i think AIs' if they ascend would not be as shocked and more happy.

    • @bluebrain7009
      @bluebrain7009 11 місяців тому +11

      Also Rutherford said the same goodbye as Tendi's the last time someone ascended.

    • @nonfictiondictionary
      @nonfictiondictionary 11 місяців тому +11

      I'd assume not having a nervous system and being unable to feel it being vaporized into pure energy must be significantly less painful

    • @aguyhere7945
      @aguyhere7945 11 місяців тому +2

      As an AI Badgey was already pure energy anyway, so he probably got to skip the step of leaving behind his physical existence.

    • @cliffdixon4211
      @cliffdixon4211 2 місяці тому

      .ydaer saw yegdaB

  • @PaleBrownDot
    @PaleBrownDot 11 місяців тому +753

    There's that koala again.

    • @auriliagilneas
      @auriliagilneas 11 місяців тому +79

      Similarly, "Good luck being everything" was the same line Tendi used when O'Connor ascended in "Moist Vessel"

    • @joeswanson733
      @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +26

      the koala is god.

    • @Beerbottles123
      @Beerbottles123 11 місяців тому +70

      "Why is he smiling and what does he know?"

    • @Brydav_Massbear
      @Brydav_Massbear 11 місяців тому +3

      I think they might be Q.

    • @CrispiestRiver0
      @CrispiestRiver0 11 місяців тому +8

      Bruh my older bro goes crazy when he sees it. He thinks it’s like gonna lead up to something big at some point lol. Tbh I went how many seasons before I noticed it in the background in the intro

  • @joeswanson733
    @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +261

    for the first time in badgeys life ... he was happy

  • @tsunertoo9149
    @tsunertoo9149 11 місяців тому +378

    Funny I just realized HOW badgey ascended. FIrst he gave up his "good" He abandoned his connections to the mortal plane that made him sense love. Then he abandoned "logic", leaving behind that which binds ones to the rules of the universe, and finally when he gained complete knowledge the natural thing next is for "bad" to die, because more often than not a universe can't thrive without cohesion. THere for he finally did it, he abandoned all things that connected him to the universe. With his tethers gone and ultimate knowledge at his finger tips there wasn't anything to hold him back. He achieved complete ascension

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 10 місяців тому +43

      "Let go of your earthly tether. Enter the void. Empty and become the wind."

    • @Wesley_H
      @Wesley_H 2 місяці тому

      Bullshit. That’s the kind of thing I would say and get absolutely hated on. The only difference is I would use the edit button to go back and spell therefore correctly.

    • @decidueyezealot8611
      @decidueyezealot8611 2 місяці тому +5

      @Wesley_H probably because ur rude

    • @Wesley_H
      @Wesley_H 2 місяці тому

      @@decidueyezealot8611 One can be rude and still be absolutely right, ya know. Jerk move to assume otherwise.

    • @sarahberkner
      @sarahberkner 2 місяці тому

      If someone can read this without laughing they're taking life too seriously.

  • @weik-2936
    @weik-2936 11 місяців тому +219

    this is one of the most true to Star Trek moments in the franchise
    from its earliest days, a core tenant of Star Trek has been that through knowledge and understanding we would grow beyond our violent baser natures, that perspective would allow us to make peace and become better, and that's exactly what Badgey did

  • @domidium
    @domidium 11 місяців тому +91

    So...Badgey basically became a benevolent Bill Cipher.

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +18

      It helps that, unlike Bill, he didn't torch the place on the way out.

    • @LexYeen
      @LexYeen 11 місяців тому +10

      Their battle in the multiversal cosmos will entertain The Koala.

    • @tomikexboii5403
      @tomikexboii5403 9 місяців тому +5

      @@LexYeen you mean the Qoala? :D

  • @bushidotestu1997
    @bushidotestu1997 11 місяців тому +170

    This is one of the few times where a character “ascends” and actually chills out

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 10 місяців тому +27

      Dude expanded his horizons ot the point where he stopped and looked at his prior ambitions and was... embarassed at how small they were.

    • @PeteandRepeat1
      @PeteandRepeat1 9 місяців тому +17

      I remember this manga I read as a kid where the protagonists were trying to stop this big bad evil guy from becoming god and dominating the world. They failed, but instead of dominating the world, the bad guy kinda went “there’s so much more interesting worlds out there, why would I care about this one?” And just left.

    • @stainlesssteelfox1
      @stainlesssteelfox1 8 місяців тому +6

      @@PeteandRepeat1 There's a parody fantasy story about that called 'Grunts' by Mary Gentle, the eponymous grunts being orcs in a standard Good vs Evil fantasy world. The BBEG gets defeated, dies, overcomes death and then decides to hard mode taking over the world by being elected. He ultimately leaves the world to go out and conquer galaxies because this one world it just too small and backward.

  • @SpottedHares
    @SpottedHares 11 місяців тому +98

    Really nice to see lower decks keeping with the Idea that we can in fact be better, and that the worst parts of our self are just a phase and not our defining characteristics.

    • @stevetheduck1425
      @stevetheduck1425 8 місяців тому +6

      We often have these 'defining moments' in our pasts that make us wonder if we'd exist without them. Hang-ups, fears, quirks, obsessions. The answer is yes.

    • @calebgoodman8955
      @calebgoodman8955 2 місяці тому

      its really refreshing. not going to lie when i first saw the show was coming out I assumed it was going to be another trashy R&M clone but no the creators clearly have a passion and understanding of Trek and used it to make a great show on its own merits

  • @Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent
    @Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent 11 місяців тому +54

    So Badgy became essentially became a freed Bill Cipher with no limitations but ended up becoming good.
    Imagine if these two ever encountered each other. It would be epic.

  • @hfar_in_the_sky
    @hfar_in_the_sky 11 місяців тому +167

    I like to think the reason why Badgey didn't freak out when he ascended while O'Connor was in pain and losing control of everything was difference of perspective and willingness to let go.
    O'Connor I think was still attached to his mortal existence on some level, thus perhaps he subconsciously fought against the ascension process. And as a corporeal being, his brain told him that being made of energy should burn him so he felt like he was burning. And when he saw the entirety of the universe, it didn't mesh with his understanding of the universe from a single corporeal perspective, thus it was frightening and strange.
    Badgey meanwhile had already experienced the universe in its entirety and had come to see thing from a truly enlightened perspective. They became free of preconceptions and simply saw everything in its entirety as it was wit h acceptance and a truly all encompassing compassion. So when they ascended it was not with fear or pain, but calm anticipation because at that point they were free of preconception and accepted everything as it was. They felt no pain, in part because they were originally an AI, but because they had truly become free from attachment to mortal existence.

    • @fmitchell238a
      @fmitchell238a 11 місяців тому +15

      Or O'Connor was made of meat.

    • @lenardbordo9838
      @lenardbordo9838 11 місяців тому +2

      What an interesting theory.

    • @devinnall2284
      @devinnall2284 11 місяців тому

      Of course he didn't want to go he just made out with a sexy green alien girl

    • @kingofnonation5843
      @kingofnonation5843 11 місяців тому +7

      O'Connor was a take on Buddha it's said he didnt achieve enlightenment until after he gave up on enlightenedment.

    • @brll5733
      @brll5733 11 місяців тому +1

      Pretty sure he was being punished for not taking ascension seriously.

  • @richardjohnson9543
    @richardjohnson9543 11 місяців тому +268

    Rutherford and Tendi both created advanced beings. They definitely belong together

    • @matthewcampbell7286
      @matthewcampbell7286 11 місяців тому +18

      Sort of makes me wonder if there something keep the stattrek universe from understanding the implications of there own technologies. With transportes, replicator and warp fields every starship in theroy could make a mini universe.. westly did by mistake. Which implies it not a big jump from human mortal to Q like

    • @alannatherson7721
      @alannatherson7721 11 місяців тому +17

      I would not be surprised if we learned The Dog ascended after Tendi and Boimler left the Farm.

    • @timezerohour8864
      @timezerohour8864 11 місяців тому +8

      Yea but Tendi did a better job with "the dog" none of the parental issues.

    • @mattlavine
      @mattlavine 11 місяців тому +6

      Oh man we need another The Dog episode.

    • @rubaiyat300
      @rubaiyat300 11 місяців тому

      Well there is clear suggestion if not outright canon evidence that subspace is somehow tied to both the "real" world through advanced physics but also the metaphysical world through conscious thought. What Wesley and the Traveler can do for example, let alone all the various god beings of Trek. Or heck, normal people when they visited the "edge of the known universe" in the same episode conjuring things from random thoughts. @@matthewcampbell7286

  • @bentowers7743
    @bentowers7743 11 місяців тому +92

    Rutherford must be a real proud papa.

    • @joeswanson733
      @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +14

      the father of a god

    • @francescosaporiti1431
      @francescosaporiti1431 11 місяців тому +1

      I am not so sure, heck I was afraid for a moment that we would reach a scenario like "I have no mouth, but i have to scream", but, honestely to me this look like a dull episode, beside how in hell Badgey would have gain access to all computers of the entire bloody UFP? the federation in the 24 th Century should have a population of at least 497 bilions, that means he would had to gain access to, assuming each citizien had at least two personal device and one main computer, to at least 1.5 Trilions of Computers at the same times! And lightyears away noless which would meant different times to reach by subspace communications, no Ai or quantum computer would be able to crack all the codes in a few minutes, most likely it wouldn't have been possible even in 3-5 centuries so what's the point of the episode? Making a point about how nowadays we have very little logical sense both in production and anaylsis or that everything must be treated as only a silly jokes?....Thanks a lot, nutrek

    • @Bobsmith-xq2pr
      @Bobsmith-xq2pr 5 місяців тому

      @@francescosaporiti1431 Voyager/Starfleet invented hyper-subspace communications! It was likely installed across the fleet (I admit they've never directly said it, but it does make sense. This show is canonically several years after Voyager ended.) Also, the USS Cerritos is almost always doing missions within the federation, not to far from other ships and planets... the signal could have spread as fast as it did.
      As for how the computers were hacked, a few thoughts:
      -Badgey was fully versed in Starfleet systems, and smart enough to code viruses to crack systems as seen previously.
      -Computer Systems can be vulnerable to exploit, especially if Badgey gained access to command codes.
      -If Badgey gained access to a just few computer systems, he could use the vastly expanded resources of his program to help with any decryption still required.
      -The fact that it happens over the course of just a few seconds is just to maintain the pace of the show, something I forgive every Star Trek show for.
      Honestly, Lower Decks is great and written by people who really try to respect the universe and all the canon.

    • @francescosaporiti1431
      @francescosaporiti1431 5 місяців тому

      @@Bobsmith-xq2pr It was a great show that respect Canon way more that Nutrek did with the other show, but alas this Is Little logical. As you said Badgy should have the command codes of a full Admiral to access such vast networth and even if It did, It would be at point more logical to show him crash down due to the massive flow of information..bah honestely to me It would had more sense to unite or literraly "fused" Tom Paris' doppelganger with Badgey this way there would more logical sense on the season ARC and would explain how he Managed to recruit and create his pirate organization by scrath

  • @lexxstrum
    @lexxstrum 10 місяців тому +17

    I love the idea that the Big Bad becomes a God, and then quickly realizes that their badness was wrong and they just move on; imagine if Thanos had put on the Gauntlet and been like "oh, i see now. The struggle, the hardship. It all makes sense. I was a fool to think my petty perceptions of what is 'fair' meant anything to the grand scheme of all things. I will join with the universe, so that my wisdom and knowledge may become a small part of all life in the cosmos!"
    And that's the REAL reason no one has ever put the Gauntlet together (in the MCU); you start out wanting to become god, and you do, but not the all powerful omnipotent ruler you thought you'd become. You just become another spoke on the wheel of creation.

    • @brantleydybas5193
      @brantleydybas5193 8 місяців тому +2

      I think the main difference between thanos and badgy is that thanos never gained any knowledge from his quest just power. He still was set in his logic also in contrast to badgy thanos does not ascend his form and exist everywhere badgy quite literally exists and can extend throughout the universe and exist in every space in a second so it all just seems pointless to worry about

  • @LordDarthHarry
    @LordDarthHarry 11 місяців тому +115

    V'ger: Spends centuries, possible eons (if time travel is involved) gathering power and knowledge and only ascends once it merges with a human
    Badgey: SPEEDRUN

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +5

      I wonder if some of the Bynar technology he scavenged might've helped.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 місяців тому +24

      V’Ger was also doing a speedrun, but a 100% glitchless one. Badgey, meanwhile, went all out ACE.

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 10 місяців тому +10

      should've had Q show up two seconds later and drop a thing off to ruthiford 'It isn't much really, but it is so RARE we get company.'
      Andi t's like... nothing super advanced but like... Really nice. A classy sort of thank you.

    • @FanOfMostEverything
      @FanOfMostEverything 10 місяців тому +5

      SummoningSalt: But everything changed with the discovery... of _Badgey skip._

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 10 місяців тому +5

      @@FanOfMostEverything Karl Jobst: Hello you absolute legends, today I’m going to be discussing one of the most controversial speedrun skips in future speedrun history!

  • @lastprimaris7914
    @lastprimaris7914 11 місяців тому +111

    Huh did anyone else notice that the last time we saw an ascension the guy vaporized/disintegrated while here badgey enters the portal and he’s fine? Maybe it has something to do with the difference between organic and synthetic that one ascends peacefully and the other painfully

    • @saphirebandit93
      @saphirebandit93 11 місяців тому +37

      Possibly or maybe because he was fighting it or the Koala was just feeling mischievous that day

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +37

      O'Connor was kinda a scrub who messed around with forces he didn't understand simply for popularity. Enlightenment doesn't really suit that sort of mindset.

    • @pketr5
      @pketr5 11 місяців тому +9

      No body. No pain receptors. No pain.

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 11 місяців тому

      @@pketr5tell that to the EMH in Future’s End!

    • @brll5733
      @brll5733 11 місяців тому +12

      Pretty sure he was being punished for not taking ascension seriously.

  • @NixonRules963
    @NixonRules963 11 місяців тому +42

    0:40 That shot of Badgey rising out of the Milky Way as he becomes a God is actually really cool

    • @stevetheduck1425
      @stevetheduck1425 8 місяців тому +1

      The anime 'Gunbuster' has something like it. The first one, not the much later one...

    • @djcuevas1057
      @djcuevas1057 8 місяців тому +4

      Meanwhile the borg. “What the fuck was that?!”

  • @fmitchell238a
    @fmitchell238a 11 місяців тому +18

    I can't help but think the "go to an empty dimension and create a universe" line was a reference to the end of the comic _Watchmen_ (and the movie? haven't seen it) with another blue glowing godling.

    • @josephperez2004
      @josephperez2004 11 місяців тому +2

      The movie does end sort of the same way, with the blue glowing godling deciding to go somewhere far away and create life where it won't interfere with anything else already doing its own thing.

    • @edd4816
      @edd4816 8 місяців тому

      Could also be a reference to Akira

  • @groudongaming1012
    @groudongaming1012 11 місяців тому +24

    Congratulation kid now you know and understand the world, space, and time once you know every thing you start to appreciated all life. Good lock being every thing 🙏.

    • @joeswanson733
      @joeswanson733 11 місяців тому +4

      hang out with the Q continum or check out the black mountain

    • @artemisfowldragon
      @artemisfowldragon 11 місяців тому +1

      And also there is a koala. He’s just kind of doing his own thing.

  • @RatedTripod
    @RatedTripod 11 місяців тому +34

    Love how it went through Marathon/Halo's AI stages: Melancholia, Anger, Jealousy, then Metastasis

  • @jceggbert5
    @jceggbert5 9 місяців тому +8

    Badgey detonating every warp core would be a more satisfying reason for the burn than what actually happened

  • @someguy1747
    @someguy1747 9 місяців тому +12

    _"I can detonate any Warp core!"_
    That did not aged well...

    • @TheUltraMinebox
      @TheUltraMinebox 9 місяців тому +1

      Wait did badgey cause the burn then?!!

  • @Mike1064ab
    @Mike1064ab 11 місяців тому +16

    I enjoy all the different colored badgeys.

  • @crystalfajman3732
    @crystalfajman3732 4 місяці тому +5

    How terrifying is it that Rutherford accidentally created a digital being that achieved not only sentience but omniscient. He outdid Geordi accidentally creating a sentient Moriarty.

  • @IronDino
    @IronDino 11 місяців тому +71

    This show HAD to have inspiration from Schlock Mercenary.

    • @deathmourne1
      @deathmourne1 11 місяців тому +6

      Ah a man of culture as well

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +6

      I was wondering about that! What with Petey and the Fleetmind?

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant 11 місяців тому +1

      No people come up with similar ideas all the time.

    • @Dafeaz
      @Dafeaz 11 місяців тому +6

      Oh absolutely, that's a reference to Petey.
      ...who is also a koala. Hmmm...

    • @JeffLionheart
      @JeffLionheart 9 місяців тому +2

      Which is a bit wild, considering how much of early Schlock Mercenary was in conversation with Star Trek. (The holo-doctor in the magic cryokit, (predating Bunnigus and post-dating Todd), the design of Shep playing with LaForge, the Irreverend's place in the comic with early author's notes...)
      If this went full circle and Star Trek wound up talking back to Schlock Mercenary, I bet Howard Tayler would love that.

  • @joekyle6594
    @joekyle6594 11 місяців тому +12

    Holy shit Badgey caused the Burn

  • @CJusticeHappen21
    @CJusticeHappen21 11 місяців тому +15

    If evil is really just the spawn of ignorance, then an entity that obtains complete understanding will be incapable of evil.

  • @estebanpineros9409
    @estebanpineros9409 7 місяців тому +4

    You know, based on how "relatively" easy it was for Badgy to achieve AI Godhood through Subspace, it's my personal head-canon that there are no major defenses in place to stop this happening, because all other intelligent lifeforms have come to the conclusion that whenever this happens, the AI's conciousness is invariably awed by the size of the universe, and hopelessly drawn to a higher state of existence. Therefore, there's no need to stop any AI from trying this, since they all get wowed, realize hurting anyone is meanigless and petty in the grand scheme of things, and then dip out of our plane of reality. It's kind of like if getting into a bank vault automatically turned you into an ultra-pacifist monk with no desire for earthy riches.

  • @EJAXK13
    @EJAXK13 11 місяців тому +6

    Wow. Fix-it Felix became a god. Who knew.

  • @TurKlack
    @TurKlack 11 місяців тому +7

    This Event should have severe and long lasting consequences. An AGI managed to reach godhood by infiltrating subspace, or whatever. It effortlessly infiltrated every network in the whole galaxy and maybe beyond. That's a security breach beyond the wildes nightmares.

  • @botanhere5926
    @botanhere5926 11 місяців тому +7

    Everyone gangsta til they achieve enlightenment and become Dr. Manhattan.

  • @Brasswatchman
    @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +9

    Makes sense. I guess the singularity's a hell of a drug.

  • @gadaadyn8190
    @gadaadyn8190 11 місяців тому +6

    He ascended and became a NBC Intern 😂

  • @musizlover2008
    @musizlover2008 11 місяців тому +19

    Do you think that one day we'll see everyone and every being who has ever ascended in the entire franchise? I'm hoping to see Kes and Sisko make an appearance.

    • @nackteHintern
      @nackteHintern 11 місяців тому +2

      I'm not sure if Sisko ascended. He just stayed with the Prophets. Maybe he did after spending some time with them. Non-linear time.

    • @Simmons8519
      @Simmons8519 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@nackteHinternAnd didn't Kes sorta... un-ascend for some reason and become bitter and senile?

    • @KaleRylan
      @KaleRylan 11 місяців тому +4

      @@nackteHintern This is actually one of my great annoyances with all of nu-trek. Avery Brooks was very insistent that Sisko was not gone forever, and really thanks to non-linear time wouldn't even be gone that long. He refused to let the end of DS9 be a black man leaving his pregnant wife behind. I respect that. The producers respected that and so added the lines about him returning, possibly yesterday.
      But, because of not using him and all this other stuff, there's now a vague implication that he has in fact been gone for decades, which I do not like. I really wish they'd just throw in a line somewhere in canon that 'yeah, he came back on the day his kid was born,' and we move on. Until it's actively discounted, that's basically my headcanon.

    • @jercoxthealmighty
      @jercoxthealmighty 11 місяців тому +2

      My running theory/hope is that if they do have sisko make a comeback, it is made explicit that, even in god form, he was still present in at least his children's lives (and preferably also his father and wife's), even if it was just in the form of visions like the prophets did for him.
      Like maybe the starfleet peoples that need to meet with him try the wormhole first but come up with nothing, then someone suggests talking to Jake about it and it turns out that that was all they needed to do all along.
      Or maybe that would be dumb and jake and... other sisko child... will come forward in the middle of some dire situation and reveal that they always knew where he was but kept it hidden for... reasons.
      Like to me that seems like the best possible way to both have sisko still be missing, but not be a runaway dad.
      Although Lower Decks offhandedly establishing that sisko came back like a week after disappearing would also be good, honestly.

    • @KaleRylan
      @KaleRylan 11 місяців тому +3

      @@jercoxthealmighty The second is definitely my preferred answer simply because it's highly unlikely sisko is ever going to be a major character again unless someone does a total reboot of DS9 which given it's less iconic status among the public, I doubt will ever happen.
      Since he's unlikely to get some big push, I don't think he needs to be saved for a dramatic moment. I think you can absolutely just have someone mention he came back a few months later, retired happily, and is just working to rebuild civilization on Bajor or something of the sort.
      It's the ending he would want, the ending Brooks would want, and there's no real reason not to give it to him in my opinion.

  • @michaelirazori9214
    @michaelirazori9214 11 місяців тому +9

    Never thought Wander would wander into godhood.

  • @ultimateninjaboi
    @ultimateninjaboi 3 місяці тому +1

    Its such an underutilized trope (or subversion of trope) to have the villain succeed at transcendence and just... realize it was all stupid. And i love every time a piece of media decides to go with it.

  • @hmich176
    @hmich176 11 місяців тому +14

    1:16 Badgy turned into Olaf.

  • @lorenzorodriguez9481
    @lorenzorodriguez9481 11 місяців тому +4

    Black mountain? I'm not a star trek nerd so I don't know what that is?

    • @thekeeperofpromise
      @thekeeperofpromise 11 місяців тому +5

      See season 2 episode 3 for Shaxs recollection of his death. Also Boimler’s death in season 2 episode 3 has him finding himself in a room and seeing a black mountain through a window

    • @thekeeperofpromise
      @thekeeperofpromise 11 місяців тому +1

      Scratch that about boimlers’ death. It happened in season four episode three.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 11 місяців тому +1

      It's an obscure reference to an even more obscure reference earlier in the show, which is itself a reference to the series Twin Peaks. This is a third-level Nerd Joke.

    • @nackteHintern
      @nackteHintern 11 місяців тому +1

      @@vylbird8014 And maybe a nod that Spock came back to life on a mountain when he got his Katra back.

  • @reginaldshort8486
    @reginaldshort8486 11 місяців тому +4

    That koala is really starting to scare the shit out of me.

  • @williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511
    @williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 8 місяців тому +2

    Esto me recuerda cuando albedo absorbio la mente de azmuth y se volvio el galvan mas inteligente

  • @EnterpriseKnight
    @EnterpriseKnight 11 місяців тому +5

    All star Badgey

  • @kraosdadafusfus8034
    @kraosdadafusfus8034 2 місяці тому +2

    Makes me wonder what made Control ignore the last step and destroy everything instead.

  • @Beerbottles123
    @Beerbottles123 11 місяців тому +2

    ...And that is the story of how a sentient triangular homicidal computer program ascended to godhood to become....
    Bill Cypher.

  • @mitchfletcher2386
    @mitchfletcher2386 11 місяців тому +9

    Wander ascends to Godhood.

  • @lafayettemclaren5195
    @lafayettemclaren5195 3 місяці тому +2

    Maybe the God we had to find was in ourselves all along???

  • @rojocomet
    @rojocomet 11 місяців тому +4

    did he say he was gonna go hang out with Q? lol 😂

    • @connortg5
      @connortg5 2 місяці тому

      *All Tomorrows flashbacks*

  • @foxystudiosuwu8264
    @foxystudiosuwu8264 5 місяців тому +5

    Badgey sounds JUST LIKE Wander from Wander Over Yonder, Fix it Felix from Wreck it Ralph, Toadie from Amphibia, and Clumsy Smurf from Smurfs: The Lost Village! 😊

    • @Utautchi
      @Utautchi 3 місяці тому

      That’s right! Jack McBrayer is the voice of all of those characters!

  • @nicholasfarrell5981
    @nicholasfarrell5981 11 місяців тому +5

    So, Rutherford created a deity?

  • @sanzo8100
    @sanzo8100 11 місяців тому +3

    Oh great a Star Trek two eyed version of bill cipher!

  • @troygaspard6732
    @troygaspard6732 11 місяців тому +3

    "Bye Badgey. Good luck being everything."

  • @Berzerklight
    @Berzerklight 11 місяців тому +3

    So if Badgey wasn't the big mystery bad guy, who is? The evil Boimler?

  • @connortg5
    @connortg5 2 місяці тому +1

    wow, what a wonderful showcase of what it would actually be like to become a god, so beautiful, so meaningful, so-
    *wait did he just say the Qu*
    Badgey is going to the All Tomorrows universe i guess

  • @josemejias5656
    @josemejias5656 11 місяців тому +3

    And this is canon!

  • @cthulhluftagn3812
    @cthulhluftagn3812 2 місяці тому +1

    I think the koala thing is a human perception, each species/mind sees the universe on the back of a animal reguarded as friendly or approachable.
    As the mind expands they begin to percive the true lifeform maintaining the universe, but having interacted with its "cute" form they are able to maintain cordial relations and not destroy reality as a knee jerk fear reaction

  • @crazyhawaiidrivers4310
    @crazyhawaiidrivers4310 11 місяців тому +2

    If only Mr. Donaghy could see Kenneth the page now....

  • @CHASEMARC
    @CHASEMARC 6 місяців тому +1

    Badge should have been the one that started the burn in Discovery

  • @colin8696908
    @colin8696908 11 місяців тому +3

    Doesn't it take a while for things to propagate over subspace, heck to reach the neutral zone was like 10 hours from federation command.

    • @dereckguerra6863
      @dereckguerra6863 11 місяців тому +1

      Since it's technically just pure energy, it should be instantaneous if you think of Voyager. The reason why they couldn't send a subspace message back to the alpha quadrant was cuz they didn't have the power to push it so far. But once they got the super subspace transmitter they were able to have an instantaneous talk with the people that were like 40,000 light years away

  • @karlhui4303
    @karlhui4303 11 місяців тому +3

    Okay, definitely didn't see this one coming.

  • @UnlimitedFlyers
    @UnlimitedFlyers 11 місяців тому +2

    Do you guys think Starfleet and the Federation will ever address the _elephant in the room_ that they in fact established that a sufficiently-advanced AI can upload itself onto the Milky Way galaxy's subspace relay networks and ascend to Godhood at any time?
    IDK it feels pretty important given how Starfleet has had NUMEROUS problems in its track records with that kind of thing... Control, Fleet Formation, Living Construct, Moriarty, Lore, _Badgey_ ...

    • @StarRider587
      @StarRider587 11 місяців тому +2

      Idk. Someone in this comment section noticed something about this that kind of makes sense. Badgey probably didn't ascend simply because he's an advanced AI that merged with the subspace relay. Prior to doing that, he purged aspects of himself that one could see as obstacles to enlightenment. First he purged his "goodness" ridding himself of attachments. He then purged his logic, opening his mind and abandoning a hard scientific view of reality. With those obstacles gone, he was able to ascend after becoming a singularity. Had he merged with the subspace relay *without* purging his good and logical aspects first, he likely would have followed through with destroying everything and everyone connected to subspace.

  • @ThePanicPuppet
    @ThePanicPuppet 11 місяців тому +33

    The most emotion Mariner has ever expressed tbh

  • @jaimebabb9968
    @jaimebabb9968 11 місяців тому +3

    Makes you wonder why the Borg don't ascend though

    • @raymondcanessa7208
      @raymondcanessa7208 11 місяців тому +1

      from their perspective they do

    • @JaimeBabb-s3k
      @JaimeBabb-s3k 11 місяців тому +4

      @@raymondcanessa7208 It occurs to me that the Borg probably think that they're Bodhisattvas, helping to "elevate" lesser species to their spiritual level.

    • @Brasswatchman
      @Brasswatchman 11 місяців тому +1

      @@JaimeBabb-s3k I'm sure they do. They're fairly narcissistic in that way.

    • @vylbird8014
      @vylbird8014 11 місяців тому +2

      One consistency in the borg: For all their sheer scale, the collective also gives them a very limited way of thinking that struggles to come up with any original idea. They assimilate new technology because they can't invent anything truly novel for themselves.

    • @jaimebabb9968
      @jaimebabb9968 11 місяців тому +1

      @@vylbird8014 I always had the impression that they stopped inventing new technologies for themselves because they got so powerful that it was easier to just steal it from someone else

  • @howler08
    @howler08 11 місяців тому +2

    Why is the same question wander always say to him self nice to see that reference

  • @slimybob7613
    @slimybob7613 11 місяців тому +1

    Laplace's Demon sure is looking strange in this one.

  • @mithiwithi
    @mithiwithi 4 місяці тому +1

    I know that we've only got one more season to do it in for _this_ show, but I do think it would be amusing (if John DeLancie is up for it) to have Q and Badgey get together for some (relatively) good-natured trolling of the Federation.

  • @bthsr7113
    @bthsr7113 9 місяців тому +1

    Stargate Replicators: wai, so that's how you ascend!? Damn it! Guess we exist as ghost in the void for howver long this transmission takes to deca-

  • @SageofStars
    @SageofStars 11 місяців тому +1

    Gods, I hate becoming one with the universe. It's ALL knowledge and peace and oneness, but then you wake up a million years later and you've created your own cosmos and the stars are in reverse alphabetical order and the black holes are white and push out matter, and that universe next door with the stretchy bastard keeps coming by to borrow a cup of protomatter. I swear, if his rock friend wasn't such a good fourth for cards I'd not talk to him at all.

  • @mrandmrsduquette1904
    @mrandmrsduquette1904 8 місяців тому +4

    So here's a fun-fact: the reason Starfleet uses a delta in their symbol, is because when they first achieved warp, it was the most stable shape for a warp-field. We now know that Badgy exists in past/present/and future. So was badgies shape the reason for that aspect of his own creation?

  • @jaydenw9803
    @jaydenw9803 Місяць тому

    I would argue that true ascension doesn't come from abandoning everything. Becoming "everything" basically just laps back around to becoming "nothing" when discussed in this ideological frame. If you are nothing, then you are worthless, you are not known, nor loved, not intelligent nor powerful, you simply exist but with nothing that makes existence worth existing for. This idea of abandoning worldly attachments to attain enlightenment is a very buddhist idea, and its a very backwards one. If I was a buddhist, I'd be a very terrible one, because I don't consider Nirvana to be worth striving for. I don't consider oneness with the universe to be worth striving for. To be everything is to be nothing, and to be nothing is a fate worse than total oblivion. I am me, and not anything else. I am not one with all, I am one and only one, and that is amazing, because it means that there is life, and love, and truth, and joy, and peace, and goodness. To abandon those things is to make all meaningless, and to make all worthless.

  • @CrimsonGrowlithe
    @CrimsonGrowlithe 2 місяці тому

    Wait…he created a new universe, and quite possibly immortal…HE’S WANDER!

  • @nukepuke932
    @nukepuke932 11 місяців тому +1

    Didn't realize the Federation had taken over the entire galaxy at this point...

  • @spyrofan9681
    @spyrofan9681 11 місяців тому +1

    I'll be honest I didn't like this ending just cause it feels like it's way to easy to ascend if you only need to shotgun yourself across subspace

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant 11 місяців тому

      He was using subspace to broadcast himself and take over all the Federation computers.
      He could take them over because the episode showed he knows Federation tech so we'll and how to bypass it.
      In essence he became a quadrant spanning mind of vast power. Someone else just broadcasting themselves wouldn't achieve the same result.
      It probably should have taken longer but it's a short show and it keeps the pace up so I give it a pass.

  • @ipyramid
    @ipyramid 11 місяців тому +1

    So... When you ascend, you goto your own empty dimension and make your own universe as a god? So the koala ascended and then created the lower decks universe?

  • @burnouttx2415
    @burnouttx2415 2 місяці тому

    Funny how you can recognize voice actors now today. I just realize that Badgey is the same person who did Wonder from Wonder over Yonder.

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 11 місяців тому +1

    This reminds me of All Star Superman when Lex Luther has an epiphany

  • @nicholaskehler9169
    @nicholaskehler9169 2 місяці тому

    The moment when you realize that Rutherford has successfully programmed a soul.

  • @Spaceagefox
    @Spaceagefox 9 місяців тому +1

    i like to think bagdey holo's appeared everywhere for everyone to see as he ascended

  • @Chrissimpson-oo4qx
    @Chrissimpson-oo4qx 3 місяці тому

    Cold you imagine how corny that story would be if they build up multiple movies in the DC or marvel universe and the bad guy takes over all control of unlimited power and it look like all hope is lost but then it ends like that and just has a idea and leaves and all the other bad guys leave and then the movie in the heroes are so confused what just happened. yeah I believe that maybe would score very low rateing.

  • @timezerohour8864
    @timezerohour8864 11 місяців тому +1

    Kind of like Lex in the All star superman comic run.

  • @ThePsych123
    @ThePsych123 Місяць тому

    They keep talking about the koala on the mountain, is that some deep cut reference I'm not a Trekkie enough to understand? Lol

  • @Jettaman
    @Jettaman 7 місяців тому

    Didn't get why LJG O'conner lost his boots when ascended in 1x4.

  • @analoguegeek
    @analoguegeek 3 місяці тому

    THE UNIVERSE IS BALANCED ON THE BACK OF A GIANT KOALA! WHY IS HE SMILING WHAT DOES HE KNOWWWWW???!

  • @paulgrove1407
    @paulgrove1407 6 місяців тому

    I think the first realization once you have ultimate power is that its irrelevant. I mean, why bother?

  • @baltakatei
    @baltakatei 2 місяці тому

    Ah, the “Please Stop the Universe, I'd like to Get Off” trope.

  • @ultra6671
    @ultra6671 3 місяці тому

    Now I'm imagining how Q and Badgey would interact.

  • @TheKing.0101
    @TheKing.0101 2 місяці тому

    badgey just became homura akemi from madoka magica movie rebellion

  • @Wolfencreek
    @Wolfencreek Місяць тому

    Rutherford accidentally'd a god 😂

  • @spyrofan9681
    @spyrofan9681 3 місяці тому

    I like to think Badgey didnt actually ascend he just thinks he did and then accidentally deleted himself.

  • @stevena488
    @stevena488 11 місяців тому +1

    Friggin Space Koala. Why is he smiling?

  • @snbforever
    @snbforever 10 місяців тому

    Like when Lex Luthor gained Superman's powers.

  • @Wesley_H
    @Wesley_H 2 місяці тому

    Problems that solve themselves are my favourite kind.

  • @JKat316
    @JKat316 3 місяці тому

    So Badgey became a Q or the first Q since time no longer has any meaning right?

  • @chrishuta7027
    @chrishuta7027 2 місяці тому

    Wanders voice saying that there is no good in him is cursed alitttle

  • @antonbrakhage490
    @antonbrakhage490 7 місяців тому +1

    Badgey, when he met the Koala.

  • @MaximilianFeichtinger
    @MaximilianFeichtinger Місяць тому

    I really hope this ain't getting cancelled - so great.

  • @natdaugherty1145
    @natdaugherty1145 2 місяці тому

    And that is how Bill Cypher was created xD

  • @BeanicusYt
    @BeanicusYt 3 місяці тому

    WHY DOES THIS SOUND SO MUCH LIKE WANDER FROM WANDER OVER YONDER

  • @Lemuel928
    @Lemuel928 11 місяців тому +1

    He’s the origin of the burn!?!

    • @nackteHintern
      @nackteHintern 11 місяців тому +1

      It took a while until I found a comment who mentions this. It would be a much better explanation than one lonely biological Kelpian.