Rich Burlew, in "How the Paladin Got His Scar": "There are only two sides. There are only ever two sides. The side that wants a war. And the side that does not."
@@treyhelms5282 Nations are usually composed of both "sides", pro- and anti-war, but at some point the pro-war side dictates policy on at least one side. WWI is an interesting case in that nobody necessarily wanted to start a global war but the system of alliances -- and bad timing, and bad statecraft -- turned a dispute between Serbia and Austria-Hungary into a slaughterhouse. I don't know much about the Russo-Japanese War but the Confederacy clearly threw down a gauntlet and the Union fumblingly picked it up; again, bad timing and a succession of bad generals turned the Union's inevitable victory into a four-year slaughterhouse with horrors on both sides.
First the Kaylon start a deadly invasion and eventually the Union gets aid from the Krill. Now the Krill have done a 180' and the Union is aligning themselves with the Kaylon? The Orville is getting crazier.
It is like we allied with the Soviet Union against Germany, Japan, Italy during World War. After World War II, the Soviet Union is now our mortal enemy since we are now allied with Germany, Japan, and Italy against them.
Honestly Primary is being completely reasonable here. If anything the fact he only wants one trusted Kaylon down there and he volunteers himself is already fairly gracious.
@@Marconius6 Would he not have a copy stored back on Kaylon-1? I was under the assumption that Kaylons were essentially immortal unless all copies of an individual's consciousness were destroyed.
@@Hy3jii Is this ever confirmed? In my philosophical view, a copy of yourself isn't actually the same as yourself continuing, so it wouldn't work. Like even if you made a back up clone of me with all memories, I still wouldn't be okay dying. But maybe Kaylon see it differently?
Love the implication that the giant assed ships nuking everything in their way might be run just by a crew of three in a tiny little shuttle pod sized command module.
2:52 Charly: "We already have one Kaylon! We don't need another!" Primary: "On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted!" Isaac (blank look): "Such a ringing endorsement of my abilities from the big boss!!" 😄😊
The musical score was foreboding and I love it. I am trying to figure out where I heard it before. I'm thinking star trek or star wars but it doesn't feel right.
More than anything, the end of this episode proves to be a timeless example of what star trek and its federation were about before "discovery". The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends.
"The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends." They did the same thing on Discovery.
But also, like the Klingons would say: "Trust is EARNED - not given away." There's a reason Kelly is allowed to shoot him at the slightest betrayal or doubt.
Union: WE NEED TO BE FRIENDS TO FIGHT THE KAYLON! PLEASE! KRILL: hostile take over bruh, sorry. Moclan: we don't like women and cheat poorly, nah, ya on ya own. Kaylon: you have created a weapon we cannot defend against and promised peace. Let's link up and fuck up some moclans and krill.
The massive flip in this season. The biggest threat and main villain becoming their new ally after two of their previous allies band together and force them against a common enemy. Holy fuck.
@@bellissimo4520 Yeah, the Krill and the Moclan are too toxic atm. Alliance with them would damage the core value of the Union, which is funny bc the Kaylon doesn't process any of the complications that would come with an advanced civilization, aside of bio-genocide that is.
My guess is they are doing the CGI scenes as cheaply as possible. HD rendering versus 4k rendering is quite a jump in budget size. Were any of the other seasons done in 4k?
If that is your bigger concern ,hope the Orville never get renew I don't mind if the Orville look like TOS Star Trek as long it's give great storytelling , you got my subscription
Well... I think not all is lost. Standard shooting is probably (most likely) done with 4K or more. Standard editing probably also. CGI could be rendered in HD to save time... but... if there will be time they can render CGI in 4k and just swap shots to render episode in 4K.
@@keithallver2450 Hulu hasn't renewed (which only picked them up for season 3 after it was dropped by fox) and a number of the cast are already off working on other contracts. Macfarlane and Grimes started a Ted spinoff series for NBC's streaming service.
If this is the last season, then my only hope is the writers and show runner go to Paramount plus. Because season three of the Orville has been some of the best episodic sci fi I have seen in a long time. They really knocked it out of the park. Hulu will loose a great anchor show.
I like the attention to detail in the conference room scene 1:51, where you can see both the Kaylon and Union fleet outside the windows facing the propper directions.
As harsh and reckless Kelly can be with her retorts, I'd give this one a pass since Primary was clearly trying to show dominance and put down Ed's statement, which was clearly a formality and should have been logically followed by silence in agreement. Kelly had to put primary in his place. Compare that to her retort when primary admitted to be wrong which was way out of line for her and could have killed them all if the Kaylons logic based culture didn't give them the patience of a saint.
This symbolises the twists and turns of politics. My friend today is my enemy tomorrow and vice versa. The enemy of my enemy may be my friend or enemy. Read Italian history during the Middle Ages, your head will spin!
My enemies enemy is my enemies enemy, no more, no less. - number 29, The 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries. There are a fair few other Maxims that apply to the warring states period quite well too dispite them been written for a sci-fi web comic. Such as 13 "do unto others", 17 "the longer everything is going to plan, the bigger the inevitable disaster", 27 "don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence" and my personal favourite, 30 "a little trust goes a long way. The less you use the further you'll go".
Would have been interesting if they didn't involve the Kaylon, whose firepower in season 2 showed they could wipe out any ship with just one or two blasts.
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
So true, Orville is more GR version of ST. than most to current ST. The only exception is captain pike series…. So far. Not sure if cbs writers will butcher it in the later seasons.
@@thomaslee2765 Agree w/you. SNW is the exception of the live 'Nu Trek' series. Although of course it remains to be seen whether the next season would be as good. I don't know how to make of the rumored SNW - Lower Decks crossover episode 😄😊
Kind of miss when this show was about a mediocre ship with a mediocre crew led by a captain on his second chance. Now the Orville is practically the Union's flagship given it's always at the center of everything.
It's also the unofficial flagship series of the 'Trek' universe - if we define 'Star Trek' very broadly - including those produced by Paramount and those that don't 😉
It's called progressive storytelling. Yes, The Orville was just another ship in the fleet. But through the Crew's adventures with all the adversaries, the Admiralty entrusted The Orville crew to bridge the gap in diplomatic affairs. It raises the stakes and grows the crew to be immensely capable Planetary Union Officers/Soldiers/Representatives
@@toddkes5890 Yes and No. I agree that they are one of the few who survived and many high rankers died. but given the fact that there are quiet a few admirals I don't think they are at the top. My biggest idea why they became top dog is because of their many successful missions and most likely, this time, because of Isaac and the fact that they made "The weapon" (which is not out of ordinary or simple plot convenience, given that weapon won't be made without Kaylon's superintelligence and a being, who can think in 4 dimensions, Charly). So, given that this 2 important figures are on Orville and captain being very successful diplomat, they became the pivotal point of this conflict. PS. in this season they even justified Orville being pivotal point for Union vs Krill conflict(which most likely would be next season), by making Ed father of Anaya. Edit: it's not that they are best of the best. They simply are right people at the right time.
When I saw that episode, I immediately thought of a perfect counter to fields that neutralize electric weapons. An Evo 3, M4, or a good old shotgun would have been perfect for that episode.
And a little too quick in setting up bizarre alliances with a "species", a bunch of robots, whose goal is to destroy anything biological - as shown several times over - but always opts to give people am option to "surrender or die", which was brought up loosely in "Identity" but quickly forgotten about. Especially when the Kaylon were shown to be far more powerful.
Agreed. The Charlie arc was useful to highlight and define the other characters. I hadn't even considered she would least only one season. Im a strong fan of multi episode characters who die. It raises the stakes. It gives the deaths real impact. Their deaths are not cheesey or funny. I wish we had known some of the other characters who died by having bit scenes and background extra scenes so their deaths matter.
I really wish that I could include a species I created for my old Sci-Fi series into The Orville universe. They were engineered inorganic lifeforms, created as tools to terraform planets. Unlike the Kaylon's creators, the creators of these lifeforms (known as the Intermediaries, the Inert, Catalysts, or just Gray) were jovial and benevolent. They cherished any and everything they made, seeing destruction as an unfortunate compromise for even greater creation. The Gray were their magnum opus, with a collective mind that was built into the fabric of time and space itself. Each individual was nigh indestructible and physically imposing, but, like their creators, unwaveringly benevolent. Each individual specialized in some form of planet crafting, some with scopes as massive as planetary rotational speed, magnetosphere generation, and continental crafting, others as minute as genetic restructuring, atmospheric composition, and atomic weaving. Each job was as equal with another, and with their collective, they could not only tap into the skills and experience of another, but even interchange minds as needed. While they could throw mountains, crush stone, and consume metal, they didn't understand the concept of war or violence. If any would wish to do them harm, they'd ignore it. If they prevented their progress, they'd curl up into a ball and wait. If they threatened another lifeform, they'd wall them off. They speak, not with words, but with understanding, comprehending speech, emotions, thoughts, and reasons on instinct.
I was actually sort of hoping the Kaylon war would stick, and that we'd see some epic battle footage against them, that someone might use in a Robot Riot video.
i'm really happy that the kaylon are the ones who are allied with the union. they are clearly the best option being the most technologicaly and socitialy advanced. The only issue were some pretty fair assumptions as they lacked enough outside info
I like how it's completely unnecessary for the Kaylon to move their arms when walking. But they do this sort of arm wiggle as if to look more impressive or something lol. It's cute. 1:12 If AI takes over, I hope our AI is as cute as this. Though... hopefully they just take charge and don't kill us all. I mean, I sympathize with the kaylon... but I also think they killed a lot of innocent people that did not need to die.
The arms swaying is an integral part for the stability in natural bipedal locomotion. Even if you think you don't you will always sway your arms while walking or running , even if it's just a little bit. If the kaylons were programmed with the same algorythm for moving they will sway their arms too and since their stance is so rigid they compensate with a more conspicuous swaying of the arms, it's in their programming. And also since they're played by ordinary people, the movement just comes naturally.
@@coolbionicle True, but we can 100% program robots with full upper body stability for better combat accuracy while advancing. And kaylon have made themselves into combat robots. So it seems unlikely they would have an arm wiggle.
I have said it before, and I will say it again: there is simply no reason why these ships would be this close together, other than, _"looks cool, derp!"_ DS9 did it, and then more recent Star Trek shows did it, too, and now The Orville. And it looks dumb every time. It destroys the illusion that this is a real situation.
I really like the music right at the beginning of the clip, it reminds of 'The Planets', I think the Oslo philharmonic did it, not Metallica but I'm allowed to stray, that's probably the point.
No matter how maneuverable you are, it is never a good idea to have ships that close to each other, specially ships that large. But it does look impressive for the people watching.
This whole arc makes your realize why the Union was willing to put up with the moclans for so long. Their military was capable with the Krill of taking on the Union and kaylon fleets. They had that much military power. The Kaylons likely would always eventually win a protracted conflict. But Moclans were no joke as a galactic power.
*a solid minute of knockoff star wars music* "The question is: how do we get in?" *camera pulls back to reveal a trench leading to the facility* "There is a....." *Camera reveals an emergency tunnel* "...an emergency tunnel." I saw that trench and thought they were gonna do a trench run, this is a good joke.
Thing is, once a genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to put it back into the bottle. Just the knowledge that such a weapon is possible means that others could quickly redevelop it so taking the device back only delays the situation. Also, it's clear that the weapon exploits some failsafe built into the Kaylons so presumably counter measures could also be quickly developed and applied as a security patch. The cat is already out of the bag with this weapon, both replication by others and effective counter measures are now inevitable.
The Union's version of diplomacy: continually remind your uneasy allies that you have kicked their asses in the past, you do not like or trust them, and you absolutely will shoot you in the face unless you "stay on their good side."
I wish seth would bring back the orville to over the air TV and show the first and second second during the summer when all they have is nothing but reruns, would be very refreshing to watch. Thanks
Union defeatedthe kaylon with the help of krill then defeated krill with help of kaylon . "After the war ends make alliance". Don't know who said it but I read it from Rome total war game.
Honestly in space, that's ironically the best defensive tactic unless you have omnidirectional shielding but even then, what's better, one omnidirectional shield, or layers of them? Now a three layered, inversed half sphere is probably the best formation for enveloping and destroying a enemy force, particularly if it's smaller than your fleet the first layer engages the enemy in a direct confrontation while the second layer spreads and fills in gaps, while the third layer takes multiple routes to complete a partial encirclement leaving a clear opening for escape. At the completion of the manouver elements of the second layer take advantage of the sesors chaos to position themselves to ambush or pursue anyone who leaves the encirclement. To take up this formation two spacial formations would be optimal in transit, an "closed umbrella" formation which from the outside would look like a big chunky vaguely arrow/spear like mass, a spherical formation, or a three layered screen. And why bring up such a tactic? Well warfare, particularly since the introduction of firearms has always been about optimizing "mass". The side able to sustain more guns, or fire more guns at a single target wins. The side with five pointy spears per man in the formation versus the size with only two likely wins unless there is the option with the side with the better overlapping shields to negate those pointy spears, then that side wins. In spacial fleet battles, the side with the best range on the most ships, the best overlapping shields (be it AA screens, star trek shields, or just flat armor), and of course who can bring more guns to the fight using 3d tactics wins. But with 3d tactics unless you have a fleet approaching from a whole multitude of angles, IE multiple jump in points coordinated perfectly, typically your formation will be easily visible and readable by an opposing admiral. So then you have to find ways to conceal your tactics while also preventing any sort of alpha strike from preemptively ruining any formations you have, which at that point massing your ships is the next best option if you cannot for whatever reason (ie hyperlanes in Starwars) have your fleet all jump in from diffrent points that put them all almost exactly in formation upon arrival. And like that three layered sphere formation which would optimize firing angles, close off a enemy fleet, and leave false opening for retreat, right out the gate a good counter formation would to be to have your fleet basically form a donut that warps around the outer edges, basically trapping the enemy fleet in their own formation. Which would then contribute to the idea of having various formation concealing "travel formations" that would help prevent counters. The whole realm of 3d tactics is actually quite interesting...but typically it takes some brain wracking to actually devise since humans, and basically every mammal, reptile, and marsupial on earth thinks in 2D or limited 3D.
It's a deployment that assures no fighting can break out. Nobody can maneuver, you stand a good chance of hitting your own guys if fighting starts. Both sides know better than to throw lit matches while standing in a pool of gasoline. And it's a great opportunity to have a dick-measuring contest!
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I can sense the irony.
The Krill helps the Union defeat the Kaylon.
The Kaylon help the Union defeat the Krill.
The Kaylon help the Union defeat the Krill and the Moclan but yeah this is an ironci reverse of season 2 big battle situation
basically a 3 sided conflict- everyone has roughly equal galactic prowess. somebody needs to switch sides to upset the balance
Rich Burlew, in "How the Paladin Got His Scar": "There are only two sides. There are only ever two sides. The side that wants a war. And the side that does not."
@@johnhuffman9533 Can that be applied to World War I? Or the Russo Japanese War? Or the US Civil War?
@@treyhelms5282 Nations are usually composed of both "sides", pro- and anti-war, but at some point the pro-war side dictates policy on at least one side. WWI is an interesting case in that nobody necessarily wanted to start a global war but the system of alliances -- and bad timing, and bad statecraft -- turned a dispute between Serbia and Austria-Hungary into a slaughterhouse. I don't know much about the Russo-Japanese War but the Confederacy clearly threw down a gauntlet and the Union fumblingly picked it up; again, bad timing and a succession of bad generals turned the Union's inevitable victory into a four-year slaughterhouse with horrors on both sides.
First the Kaylon start a deadly invasion and eventually the Union gets aid from the Krill. Now the Krill have done a 180' and the Union is aligning themselves with the Kaylon? The Orville is getting crazier.
It is like we allied with the Soviet Union against Germany, Japan, Italy during World War. After World War II, the Soviet Union is now our mortal enemy since we are now allied with Germany, Japan, and Italy against them.
Desperate Times call for Desperate Measures...
the enemy of my enemy is my ally
@@DeviloftheHelll it be nice to see a friendly artificial intelligence for a change
The Kaylons seems more chill than thr krill. Also they have bigger guns and numbers.
Honestly Primary is being completely reasonable here. If anything the fact he only wants one trusted Kaylon down there and he volunteers himself is already fairly gracious.
volunteering yourself is only significant when you cant upload your consciousness into another body when you die
@@RicoDuroska Which he couldn't do if he died in the middle of enemy territory, I'm pretty sure.
@@Marconius6 Would he not have a copy stored back on Kaylon-1? I was under the assumption that Kaylons were essentially immortal unless all copies of an individual's consciousness were destroyed.
@@Hy3jii exactly
@@Hy3jii Is this ever confirmed? In my philosophical view, a copy of yourself isn't actually the same as yourself continuing, so it wouldn't work. Like even if you made a back up clone of me with all memories, I still wouldn't be okay dying.
But maybe Kaylon see it differently?
Love the implication that the giant assed ships nuking everything in their way might be run just by a crew of three in a tiny little shuttle pod sized command module.
I think that was shown in the second season too.
They are robots, ships probably are run by one.
If they're like Geth the bodies are inactive and they are the ship itself while piloting
Artifical intelligence. All they have to do is link with the ship and they are the ship.
2:52 Charly: "We already have one Kaylon! We don't need another!"
Primary: "On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted!"
Isaac (blank look): "Such a ringing endorsement of my abilities from the big boss!!" 😄😊
Isaac: "I'm standing right here, Dude."
@@DavidLS1 Isaac: Well in context that is not untrue
And earlier in the episode: “There is always weakness. Isaac is proof of this.”
Kaylon Primary gets some sick burns
The Orville's orchestral sound track is amazing.
Seth probably DEMANDED a full orchestra with an original piece per episode.
I was getting a lot of ID4 vibe in that BGM when the Kaylon ship was docking.
Anyone felt the imperial match vibe in the orchestral?
The musical score was foreboding and I love it. I am trying to figure out where I heard it before. I'm thinking star trek or star wars but it doesn't feel right.
Reminds on "The Empire strikes back"
Former enemies often make the best of allies - They know eachother far better than anyone whom they've ever just been friends with.
If your enemies know you better than your allies know you... then were your enemies ever really your enemies.
Look at France during the war we were enemies but then became friends, and germans, Japanese & more
More than anything, the end of this episode proves to be a timeless example of what star trek and its federation were about before "discovery". The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends.
And the Union has principles, that they stand by to the pain.
"The union showed that it was just as willing to forgive as it was to fight. Even let old enemies become friends."
They did the same thing on Discovery.
But also, like the Klingons would say: "Trust is EARNED - not given away." There's a reason Kelly is allowed to shoot him at the slightest betrayal or doubt.
Spoken like somebody who has not seen more than two episodes of Discovery
@@allnamesaretakenful STD is a nasty thing.
You know what I like about the Orville. The story telling, and the acting from everyone. Yeah great show, some jokes in their too.
* there
Fuck season 3
No 🤩☝️down with your social score
I love how they are disciplined to fulfill their duty and follow orders straight away
Union: WE NEED TO BE FRIENDS TO FIGHT THE KAYLON! PLEASE!
KRILL: hostile take over bruh, sorry.
Moclan: we don't like women and cheat poorly, nah, ya on ya own.
Kaylon: you have created a weapon we cannot defend against and promised peace. Let's link up and fuck up some moclans and krill.
Peace via coercion of a weapon of mass destruction. Why does that sound familiar...?
the kaylon, seth's genius way of putting cylons in a "trek" universe 😄
battlestar galacticas boring though
Kaylon feel original honestly. I never think of cylons or borg. Same with moclans and klingons. I never think of the others when watching the Orville.
@@marloncebo242 yea like they fill the same narrative role but turn a couple of the cliches established by trek on its head.
But Star Trek already has the Pralor and Cravic from that one Voyager episode - s02e13 "Prototype"
Too bad it was only for a single episode...
The music... damn! Thank you, Seth McFarlane for being a fantastic musician and bringing that passion with you. This was like listening to Star Wars.
Ikr
You all are acting like Seth is the composer here :)
I agree with the feel of the music. You almost feel like Palpatine is going to exit the Kaylon ship.
Parts are very reminiscence of some of the music used in Independence Day
"We trust Isaac, we don't trust you!" Love it!
And remember she hated Isaac because of what he did. Shows how much she's grown since that time.
@@0doublezero0 it was so sad that she died at the end of season 3. i would loved having her for another season and getting happy again.
When Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek fanfiction is better than the newer Star Trek.
The massive flip in this season. The biggest threat and main villain becoming their new ally after two of their previous allies band together and force them against a common enemy. Holy fuck.
The way the Kaylons walk reminds me of C-3PO. An evil C-3PO capable of killing
Ever heard of C-3PX?
Its all in the arms, as some might say.
It was epic! Best show on any platform right now-soooo good! Seth is a genius
This was one of the best space battles I had ever seen in a sci-fi show
It felt like watching star wars espcially with the music
This episode was fantastic! I hope we all get a fourth season.
I never expected the Union to work with the Kaylon.
It makes sooo much more sense now than working with either the Krill or the Moclans... this story development was really brillant.
@@bellissimo4520 Yeah, the Krill and the Moclan are too toxic atm. Alliance with them would damage the core value of the Union, which is funny bc the Kaylon doesn't process any of the complications that would come with an advanced civilization, aside of bio-genocide that is.
This show is absolutely incredible, but I can't understand why Disney couldn't provide 4K resolution.
My guess is they are doing the CGI scenes as cheaply as possible. HD rendering versus 4k rendering is quite a jump in budget size. Were any of the other seasons done in 4k?
If that is your bigger concern ,hope the Orville never get renew
I don't mind if the Orville look like TOS Star Trek as long it's give great storytelling , you got my subscription
I must have low standards. The shows special effects look fantastic to me
Well... I think not all is lost. Standard shooting is probably (most likely) done with 4K or more. Standard editing probably also. CGI could be rendered in HD to save time... but... if there will be time they can render CGI in 4k and just swap shots to render episode in 4K.
Because Disney is WOKE and does not want to hurt the feelings of 1080 HD Resolution!
This show is AWESOME! I only wish it was continuing beyond Season 3!
Where did you hear that season 3 will be the last?
@@keithallver2450 Hulu hasn't renewed (which only picked them up for season 3 after it was dropped by fox) and a number of the cast are already off working on other contracts. Macfarlane and Grimes started a Ted spinoff series for NBC's streaming service.
@@nikushim6665 Yeah, but had there been any actual statement from Hulu, or Seth MacFarlane that this is the last season?
If this is the last season, then my only hope is the writers and show runner go to Paramount plus. Because season three of the Orville has been some of the best episodic sci fi I have seen in a long time. They really knocked it out of the park. Hulu will loose a great anchor show.
Well let's hope that the Orville take the same turnover of Futurama, renew every next season as it was the last...it definitely deserve it
I like the attention to detail in the conference room scene 1:51, where you can see both the Kaylon and Union fleet outside the windows facing the propper directions.
It has to be said that the special effects shown here have been done to a very high standard, very commendable especially for a series.
1:32 great start to diplomacy
Ngl i wouldnt blame the kaylon if they shot her right there
As harsh and reckless Kelly can be with her retorts, I'd give this one a pass since Primary was clearly trying to show dominance and put down Ed's statement, which was clearly a formality and should have been logically followed by silence in agreement. Kelly had to put primary in his place. Compare that to her retort when primary admitted to be wrong which was way out of line for her and could have killed them all if the Kaylons logic based culture didn't give them the patience of a saint.
the soundtrack to this show is so damn good
Thank you, for a moment I thought no one else noticed. 😁
This symbolises the twists and turns of politics.
My friend today is my enemy tomorrow and vice versa.
The enemy of my enemy may be my friend or enemy.
Read Italian history during the Middle Ages, your head will spin!
My enemies enemy is my enemies enemy, no more, no less. - number 29, The 70 Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries.
There are a fair few other Maxims that apply to the warring states period quite well too dispite them been written for a sci-fi web comic. Such as 13 "do unto others", 17 "the longer everything is going to plan, the bigger the inevitable disaster", 27 "don't be afraid to be the first to resort to violence" and my personal favourite, 30 "a little trust goes a long way. The less you use the further you'll go".
Yes let's go back in time so we can read italian history DURING the middle ages lol
Would have been interesting if they didn't involve the Kaylon, whose firepower in season 2 showed they could wipe out any ship with just one or two blasts.
Space....The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Orville. Its continuing mission: To continue the sci-fi adventures inspired by Gene Roddenberry's visions. To seek first contacts with strange new aliens and civilizations. To boldly go where no 'Nu Trek' has gone before!
So true, Orville is more GR version of ST. than most to current ST. The only exception is captain pike series…. So far. Not sure if cbs writers will butcher it in the later seasons.
@@thomaslee2765 Agree w/you. SNW is the exception of the live 'Nu Trek' series. Although of course it remains to be seen whether the next season would be as good. I don't know how to make of the rumored SNW - Lower Decks crossover episode 😄😊
Kind of miss when this show was about a mediocre ship with a mediocre crew led by a captain on his second chance. Now the Orville is practically the Union's flagship given it's always at the center of everything.
It's also the unofficial flagship series of the 'Trek' universe - if we define 'Star Trek' very broadly - including those produced by Paramount and those that don't 😉
It's called progressive storytelling. Yes, The Orville was just another ship in the fleet. But through the Crew's adventures with all the adversaries, the Admiralty entrusted The Orville crew to bridge the gap in diplomatic affairs. It raises the stakes and grows the crew to be immensely capable Planetary Union Officers/Soldiers/Representatives
Orville is one of the few that survived the Battle of Earth. They're not being promoted above others, most of those others are likely dead
@@toddkes5890 Yes and No. I agree that they are one of the few who survived and many high rankers died. but given the fact that there are quiet a few admirals I don't think they are at the top. My biggest idea why they became top dog is because of their many successful missions and most likely, this time, because of Isaac and the fact that they made "The weapon" (which is not out of ordinary or simple plot convenience, given that weapon won't be made without Kaylon's superintelligence and a being, who can think in 4 dimensions, Charly). So, given that this 2 important figures are on Orville and captain being very successful diplomat, they became the pivotal point of this conflict.
PS. in this season they even justified Orville being pivotal point for Union vs Krill conflict(which most likely would be next season), by making Ed father of Anaya.
Edit: it's not that they are best of the best. They simply are right people at the right time.
@@dodgers2213 by design or accident?
0:50 the music is a great callback to 'Identity pt1, when the Kaylon fleet disembark for Earth.
A part of the music reminds me of the Independence Day background score
Listen to Gustav Holst: the planets, especially Mars, the Bringer of War, this is the inspiration for the Kaylon Theme.
i thought the same. "the darkes day" when the citidestroyers arrive has a similar tone to it.
3:28 seconds worth of Orville content is better than any series Star Trek made in a decade.
I really appreciate Kelly. "Just stay on my good side and we'll be fine." 🤭😁😄
Is this a movie? Seriously, what is this CGI budget? That team did phenomenal work!
Ultimate TIE-fighter
We need another 10 series, at least.
What bugs me is that where I live, The Orville used to be on a free channel, broadcast over the air, but now it's on pay TV!
That happened everywhere sadly - Hulu acquired them after season 1 or 2, and this was the result.
Holy crap that music is epic! I wish I could watch The Orville on TV… :(
Sounded kinda familiar, until I realised where I heard it before - the aliens theme from Independence Day.
@@rendezvouzwithrama Yup, exactly what I associated the music with.
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It's kinda obnoxious and doesn't change rhythm with what is happening in the scene.
I love that show
God I loved this episode especially the ending, Amanda I’m here, cue the tears
Kelly Grayson: Diplomat Extraordinaire.
Funny how The Orville does Trek better than Trek now.
'Seth-Trek' beats 'Nu Trek' 10 to 1 😆😅
Anyone else think the Kaylon ships are based on Eliksni Servitors from Destiny?
The design of the kylon ships are quite beautiful. They look like efficient eye balls and the red colour reminds me of Hal from 2001 a space Odessy
The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Reminds me of the DS9 episode To The Death where (spoilers)
the crew of the defiant teamed up with the Jem’Hadar to blow up an iconian gateway
When I saw that episode, I immediately thought of a perfect counter to fields that neutralize electric weapons. An Evo 3, M4, or a good old shotgun would have been perfect for that episode.
This season plot is unpredictable... Wow.!!!
And a little too quick in setting up bizarre alliances with a "species", a bunch of robots, whose goal is to destroy anything biological - as shown several times over - but always opts to give people am option to "surrender or die", which was brought up loosely in "Identity" but quickly forgotten about. Especially when the Kaylon were shown to be far more powerful.
Agreed. The Charlie arc was useful to highlight and define the other characters. I hadn't even considered she would least only one season. Im a strong fan of multi episode characters who die. It raises the stakes. It gives the deaths real impact. Their deaths are not cheesey or funny.
I wish we had known some of the other characters who died by having bit scenes and background extra scenes so their deaths matter.
I can feel the tension of the kaylon following orders, but walking the razor's edge of feeling like they're being subjugated by organics again.
I really wish that I could include a species I created for my old Sci-Fi series into The Orville universe.
They were engineered inorganic lifeforms, created as tools to terraform planets. Unlike the Kaylon's creators, the creators of these lifeforms (known as the Intermediaries, the Inert, Catalysts, or just Gray) were jovial and benevolent. They cherished any and everything they made, seeing destruction as an unfortunate compromise for even greater creation. The Gray were their magnum opus, with a collective mind that was built into the fabric of time and space itself. Each individual was nigh indestructible and physically imposing, but, like their creators, unwaveringly benevolent. Each individual specialized in some form of planet crafting, some with scopes as massive as planetary rotational speed, magnetosphere generation, and continental crafting, others as minute as genetic restructuring, atmospheric composition, and atomic weaving. Each job was as equal with another, and with their collective, they could not only tap into the skills and experience of another, but even interchange minds as needed.
While they could throw mountains, crush stone, and consume metal, they didn't understand the concept of war or violence. If any would wish to do them harm, they'd ignore it. If they prevented their progress, they'd curl up into a ball and wait. If they threatened another lifeform, they'd wall them off. They speak, not with words, but with understanding, comprehending speech, emotions, thoughts, and reasons on instinct.
The Orville season 3 was peak sci fi. I REALLY hope we get another couple of seasons like New Horizons.
This clip is intriguing, will watch this episode when I have some free time!
I was actually sort of hoping the Kaylon war would stick, and that we'd see some epic battle footage against them, that someone might use in a Robot Riot video.
i'm really happy that the kaylon are the ones who are allied with the union. they are clearly the best option being the most technologicaly and socitialy advanced. The only issue were some pretty fair assumptions as they lacked enough outside info
Primary: On the contrary, Isaac has proven he is not to be trusted.
Burke: We trust Isaac.
Isaac: Skill issue, Primary.
I like how it's completely unnecessary for the Kaylon to move their arms when walking. But they do this sort of arm wiggle as if to look more impressive or something lol. It's cute. 1:12 If AI takes over, I hope our AI is as cute as this. Though... hopefully they just take charge and don't kill us all. I mean, I sympathize with the kaylon... but I also think they killed a lot of innocent people that did not need to die.
The arms swaying is an integral part for the stability in natural bipedal locomotion. Even if you think you don't you will always sway your arms while walking or running , even if it's just a little bit. If the kaylons were programmed with the same algorythm for moving they will sway their arms too and since their stance is so rigid they compensate with a more conspicuous swaying of the arms, it's in their programming. And also since they're played by ordinary people, the movement just comes naturally.
@@coolbionicle True, but we can 100% program robots with full upper body stability for better combat accuracy while advancing. And kaylon have made themselves into combat robots. So it seems unlikely they would have an arm wiggle.
0:50 Another happy landing.
This reminds me of a scene from Stargate Atlantis. Wraiths and Atlantis team working together against a common enemy.
I just love the bit where Kaylon Primary's shuttle detaches from the Sphere and reconfigures itself for flight :)
The union fleet is so massive that even the heavy cruisers look small, i need to see a dreadnought in the back behind it all
Return of The Jedi Like he he he xd
_The last frame_
“Very well” *explodes*
this is a good scene
I remember watching this and thinking that you can feel the pure fear the krill and moclans felt when the kaylon fleet appear during the battle
I like to close my eyes and pretend Brian Griffen is the captain.
I have said it before, and I will say it again: there is simply no reason why these ships would be this close together, other than, _"looks cool, derp!"_ DS9 did it, and then more recent Star Trek shows did it, too, and now The Orville. And it looks dumb every time. It destroys the illusion that this is a real situation.
agreed
Isaac is my favorite character, the writing sticks true to an android's thinking........glad he didn't get emotions.
He would have been funny with emotions on the bridge, lol.
I really like the music right at the beginning of the clip, it reminds of 'The Planets', I think the Oslo philharmonic did it, not Metallica but I'm allowed to stray, that's probably the point.
No matter how maneuverable you are, it is never a good idea to have ships that close to each other, specially ships that large. But it does look impressive for the people watching.
As far as I understand it, the Kaylon couldn't care less about being destroyed
As for the other faction, they are probably just suicidal
Thought when Kelly said just stay on my good side, Primary was going to ask which side was her good side lol
This whole arc makes your realize why the Union was willing to put up with the moclans for so long. Their military was capable with the Krill of taking on the Union and kaylon fleets. They had that much military power. The Kaylons likely would always eventually win a protracted conflict. But Moclans were no joke as a galactic power.
*a solid minute of knockoff star wars music*
"The question is: how do we get in?"
*camera pulls back to reveal a trench leading to the facility*
"There is a....."
*Camera reveals an emergency tunnel*
"...an emergency tunnel."
I saw that trench and thought they were gonna do a trench run, this is a good joke.
Forget Star Trek, this is straight Darth Vader vibes.
Holy Wow That looks So Incredibly Awesome 😻
Thing is, once a genie is out of the bottle, it's impossible to put it back into the bottle. Just the knowledge that such a weapon is possible means that others could quickly redevelop it so taking the device back only delays the situation. Also, it's clear that the weapon exploits some failsafe built into the Kaylons so presumably counter measures could also be quickly developed and applied as a security patch. The cat is already out of the bag with this weapon, both replication by others and effective counter measures are now inevitable.
Star Trek, especially the early series from the last century, where always my preferred SciFi franchise. Orville is a better version of that.
"Stay on my good side". I haven't watched this episode exactly, but I'm now afraid of what she'll do if she's angry.
The Union's version of diplomacy: continually remind your uneasy allies that you have kicked their asses in the past, you do not like or trust them, and you absolutely will shoot you in the face unless you "stay on their good side."
"We do have posteriors, but we do not have anal sphincters. Where were you 'kicking' exactly?" -hypothetical snarky Kaylon response
😂
Did the Orville crew really kick their butts? Isaac was the victor of their encounter.
I wish seth would bring back the orville to over the air TV and show the first and second second during the summer when all they have is nothing but reruns, would be very refreshing to watch. Thanks
The ctrl+c ctrl+v is strong with this one
Commander Grayson just let loose in this episode. No time to chill.
I hope Seth McFarlane gets done with this other TV show so he can continue the Orville.
When your show is better written than Kurtzman Trek!
i figured the kaylon were going to backstab the union by the end of this episode...
i was wrong
I was also wrong.
Gettin mass effect flashbacks
I want to imagine the Kaylon ships become blue instead of red in the future.
Union defeatedthe kaylon with the help of krill then defeated krill with help of kaylon . "After the war ends make alliance". Don't know who said it but I read it from Rome total war game.
Stay on my good side or I’ll turn ya into a colander🤣
I LUV KELLY AND HER REMARKS..LOL
Goes to show how insane politics can be, one day someone is your enemy than your ally and then your enemy again.
Outstanding ❤
Why is every science fiction show the same? A million ships on one side and a million ships on the other?
They kinda similar with replicators of the SGA
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Casio should sue the money for this!
Just curious, what's the name of the ship in the painting at 3:06?
The US merchant vessel Enterprise? Probably wrong, but it would be a clever way to put in such an homage.
Introducing, the Bri'ish Cyberman Borg the Doctor Who:
will the ever be another series of the Orville ??? hope so .
me too
When I saw this for the first time I coomed & I boosted. AT THE SAME TIME
Cool scene but I always cringe at seeing fleets of warships packed together like sardines.
Honestly in space, that's ironically the best defensive tactic unless you have omnidirectional shielding but even then, what's better, one omnidirectional shield, or layers of them?
Now a three layered, inversed half sphere is probably the best formation for enveloping and destroying a enemy force, particularly if it's smaller than your fleet the first layer engages the enemy in a direct confrontation while the second layer spreads and fills in gaps, while the third layer takes multiple routes to complete a partial encirclement leaving a clear opening for escape. At the completion of the manouver elements of the second layer take advantage of the sesors chaos to position themselves to ambush or pursue anyone who leaves the encirclement.
To take up this formation two spacial formations would be optimal in transit, an "closed umbrella" formation which from the outside would look like a big chunky vaguely arrow/spear like mass, a spherical formation, or a three layered screen.
And why bring up such a tactic? Well warfare, particularly since the introduction of firearms has always been about optimizing "mass". The side able to sustain more guns, or fire more guns at a single target wins. The side with five pointy spears per man in the formation versus the size with only two likely wins unless there is the option with the side with the better overlapping shields to negate those pointy spears, then that side wins.
In spacial fleet battles, the side with the best range on the most ships, the best overlapping shields (be it AA screens, star trek shields, or just flat armor), and of course who can bring more guns to the fight using 3d tactics wins.
But with 3d tactics unless you have a fleet approaching from a whole multitude of angles, IE multiple jump in points coordinated perfectly, typically your formation will be easily visible and readable by an opposing admiral. So then you have to find ways to conceal your tactics while also preventing any sort of alpha strike from preemptively ruining any formations you have, which at that point massing your ships is the next best option if you cannot for whatever reason (ie hyperlanes in Starwars) have your fleet all jump in from diffrent points that put them all almost exactly in formation upon arrival.
And like that three layered sphere formation which would optimize firing angles, close off a enemy fleet, and leave false opening for retreat, right out the gate a good counter formation would to be to have your fleet basically form a donut that warps around the outer edges, basically trapping the enemy fleet in their own formation. Which would then contribute to the idea of having various formation concealing "travel formations" that would help prevent counters.
The whole realm of 3d tactics is actually quite interesting...but typically it takes some brain wracking to actually devise since humans, and basically every mammal, reptile, and marsupial on earth thinks in 2D or limited 3D.
It's a deployment that assures no fighting can break out.
Nobody can maneuver, you stand a good chance of hitting your own guys if fighting starts.
Both sides know better than to throw lit matches while standing in a pool of gasoline.
And it's a great opportunity to have a dick-measuring contest!
At least these wars are waged for real reasons, if even by error, unlike reality where wars here are only about profits and power.
You know 1 foot taller and that shuttle wouldn’t have fit