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Liz the problem is not the rising prices but the devaluation of US Dollar.. In fact people always seem to think that prices are rising without considering that is the dollar loosing purchasing power.
The problem with Lemon laws is the manufacturers have lobbied and lined the pockets of politicians in states that already had pretty good laws and now the laws favor the manufacturers ! ? Follow the money.... Louisiana for example...
the UCC governs thru Magnuson Moss - people don't understand that manufacturer warranties are largely efforts to circumscribe what the UCC & Magnuson Moss gives the buyer and much of what manufacturers put in there like venue for disputes is there to fool the purchaser and cannot be enforced due to the UCC & Magnuson Moss
👍👍. Billy, anybody that has a lemon law issue regarding RVs can hire a lemon law lawyer. There are law lawyers all over the country that would pick up a legitimate lemon law case about a new RV I am an expert witness in the RV industry, and I know what I’m saying is true. 👍👍
Liz, I think the overall problem is the private equity groups taking over the RV industry. I suggest make a chart of when Thor Industries began buying up Airstream, Jayco, Dutchman etcc and I think you will see those dates match with when buyers say quality began to decline. Private equity buys companies, loads them up with debt, then demands cost cutting. We have seen that in other industries. I think you are also right about lack of foreign competition for these bulky, expensive products.
@@LizAmazing google “ history of thor industries”. In 1980 they bought Airstream from Beatrice Foods, then ever since they bought a dozen bus and RV makers, probably 20 different brands. Could be why people say ‘classic’ old Airstream and older Jayco, Keystone, etcc were better.
@@raygunsforronnie847 oops, you are correct on that. But my guess on the larger point is the same: user comments on declining quality seem to follow the pattern of many previous manufacturers being folded into Thor.
When a nice RV in 2018 that cost $35K now costs over $100K for junk, I’m keeping my powder dry and just not buying. I suspect I’m not the only one with this opinion.
I agree with you Liz, all problems start at the top from managment. A worker can only put together what managment puts in his hands. Love the park where you are, looks like tons of fun. See you next time.
Keep it up, Liz! Social media is the great equalizer in this situation. The RV manufacturers will not be able to ignore their customers and continue with the status quo. We are soon going to purchase a larger RV. We will certainly avoid the current junk being thrown together. Thanks for all you are do for our community!
Yay, thank YOU for your support, Peter. Be sure to consider buying used, do your research and get an inspection. Happy RV shopping! Thanks for watching.
I agree there is no competition when 2 or 3 companies own about 90% of the RV brands and large retails like Camping World dominate the sales and service portion of the market. Poor service and build quality seem to go hand in hand with monopolies, if this business model continues consumers will stop buying RVs and the industry will fold!
Point well taken, but in the long run, the joke will be on the quasi monopoly running the industry. If they keep building junk because there's no competition, people will look to alternatives to RVs, which are, after all, a luxury for those that are not full timers. Airbnb, condo rentals, vacation homes are all alternatives to junk RVs that cost as much as houses.
BS. Three companies does not a monopoly make silly indoctrinated Marxist. When your competition makes crap an easy alternative is to make things less crap. The real problem is the Socialist Left has Fee'd and regulated RVs into oblivion. The only monopoly are the Socialists that run your Govt and regulate RVs.
Several years ago I did think you went a little *too* easy on the RV industry. You would of course point out issues, but typically in the context of individual solutions. But I am tickled to see you go toe to toe with the industry as a whole. Even though I decided to go with a tiny house instead, I still do business with the RV industry and to say they cut corners would be a *massive* understatement lol thanks, Liz! I appreciate you also for defending the workers too. The executives define the supplies, the timeline, and the quality control, among many other things. Let's not throw the workers under the Class A motorhome!
You’re correct on the profit side of the equation. It’s not just RVs it’s everything. Our disposable society has creeped into every aspect of our lives. This absurd greed was accelerated during Covid. Our recourse as consumers is to not buy until you are satisfied that your money is being spent wisely. Thanks for your vids Liz. 😊
After owning two Entegra Anthems (2014 & 2017), we viewed a 2024. No more tile floor, no more hard wood cabinets, no passenger window to open, the driver window that opens is half the size. Closet no more cedar lining, no shoe storage, and the washer/dryer stack is over the toilet. To say that Thor has "cheapened" Entegra is an understatement.
That's interesting because UK vehicles generally rank very low in owner satisfaction and require constant repairs. Scotland is the poorest area of the UK.
@@andyjones2261 I got very annoyed at the last RV shows I've been to. These days it's either a massive 5th wheel or 13 foot teardrop. The 3000-3500 lbs 20 footers aren;t being placed before potential customers.
Interesting that the overall quality of RV’s is related to the price of the components and the materials used to make RV’s. People don’t want to pay the price to make high quality RV’s. So the industry gives them what they want, very cheap and low quality. Not sure why you are so surprised.
But, the thing is, "This stuff is not always very cheap! They are selling it for high Inflationary prices! as if it's high quality!" That's the big joke. And, that's what's happening to everything across this country. Everything is being ruined! For the sake of making Shareholders, Billionaires, Stockholders meg-wealthy. Hence, the term Greedy Capitalist.@@DouglasJames925
Naaah the real reason is what happened to German car manufacturers, Carhartt, Boing and so many others... They are falling because they want to maximize profits, "managers" are leading not engineers. That s it.
Every RV owner should tour the Elkhart factories. We went to Jayco, Grand Design, and Keystone. The only factory that had a tour while production was in operation was Jayco. The workers hustled like they were on piece work, which they probably are. I remember my days of working in a factory. Management always pushed for more production. We just bought a Ford Transit cargo van. We’ll see if we can do better than the RV industry at building a camper.
I worked in a mobile home factory and we made both single and double wides. There were 8 assembly stations from the frame work through final finish. Employees were constantly pushed to get at least 3 complete homes out the door each day. Managers got on the intercom barking orders at people to work faster. Workers themselves were basically casual labor types, no education beyond high school, if they made it that far.. paid minimum wage. They had no future there and didn't give an F about anything, they knew they'd work there a year or two and move on. I felt sorry for those who bought them, probably saw a real nice model home at a dealership all set up, decorated, etc. After becoming interested in RV'ing and studying, I have come to the conclusion RV's are no different in the construction process.
Before Covid, I was looking at 17 foot travel trailers with one big slideout. The cost was around $13,000. Now the same travel trailer is $27,000, and the workmanship is terrible. Take a look under the cabinets, look in some of the dead spaces, and you will see electrical wires run randomly all over the place, worse than a spider's web. Look underneath one, everything just isn't secured very well. The steel frame welding is terrible.
Miss Liz nailed it!! It's not the workers it is management. So correct. I had a boating buddy that upgraded to a new 25 foot family cruiser. We did one of our weekends up the the Apostle Islands in Lake Superior. After we got them off the trailers we headed out to one of the islands. Now granted it was a little lumpy on the lake but that means you go slow. The boat might rock and roll but no hard jolts. We got to the island and he opened his cabin door and his galley assemble had totally come off the wall. If I remember correctly there was only six small screws holding it on. That is not workers that is management. Thanks for the update on what you have been doing. Looks like a fun place. Congrats on 110!!
You apply for the job then don’t lie saying u can do the job. Or is it u apply for the job and are being told they will train u on the job but don’t? Which is it? 🤔🍻
I just got back from a show and was shocked to see how everything was made so cheaply. I understand making rigs light, but to sacrifice integrity and longevity to lightness is wrong and a rip off. Thanks Liz!
Liz you hit the nail on the head about many of us are willing to pay for quality built RV that does cost more than $500K. I cant believe I would have to spend that much and still might get a mediocre build quality. I swear my next coach will be an older Prevost type unit.
What is wrong with the RV industry? The RV industries greed (not all companies, but 75% of them) and cutting corners to please shareholders. In the end shareholders want to see profit and that profit has to come. The easiest cost cutting for companies with a bad future plan for reputation is to cheap out on quality material and quality control. Thanks for the video and a big hello from our UA-cam channel to you!
Consumers have to take some of the blame, wanting high end finishes and not wanting to spend more. Companies cheap out and use junk that looks expensive but doesn’t hold up. Sometimes going for simplicity can go farther and make a better product and experience for the consumer. It’s just a thought
Check out Northwood RV and Outdoors RV, both based in LaGrande, OR. They both are independent RV manufacturers that build their own frames and build quality travel trailers, truck campers, and fifth wheels.
The best quality I've ever seen are Oliver trailers. But they are far too small for many of us. Huge pity, as I would love one, but can't manage their tiny size. 8' wide and another 4" taller and I would own one!!!
I have an 2020 Outdoors 24rks, i didn't look at the price i wanted quality, and i know RVs. Minor expected issues but its definitely solid, i recommend every one look at the Outdoors
You couldn’t pay me enough to get into the RV life right now. Too risky, too expensive, and too many horror stories of poorly constructed vehicles. I simply won’t throw my money away on something that is so full of uncertainty.
Just like Boeing.....rush, rush, rush; damn QC, just get them out. Workers always worry about their work, they have pride until browbeaten by management. Cheers to you LIZ.
Just like every industry. Look at a McDonalds cheeseburger for gods sake. It costs 3x more and is half the size. This is what Socialism ALWAYS does to industry.
@@bernecomp America hasn't had Capitalism since that Socialist named FDR rammed his Fascist New Deal up Americas arse in 1933. After he purposefully broke the economy, lol. We need to try real capitalism again silly indoctrinated Socialist. In capitalism Corporation make the things the consumer wants. In Socialist Commie/Fascism the Govt dictates to the Corporation the things they will make and sell using excuses like "climate changes too much."
I am a professional mechanic who works in bus fleet maintenance, I do not own an RV, but my parents and a brother have in the past, so I am not a complete stranger to the RV industry. First let me say bravo to Liz for having this channel to educate people. Second, the quality decline is larger than the RV industry, it is affecting the bus industry as well, and I suspect other things too such as the home construction industry too. In the last year I have seen several bush league mistakes on new buses. Simple things like asymmetrical installation of required lights, loose hose clamps, to major things like bellhousing to engine block bolts left finger tight that caused the failure of a flex plate at 3000km, or improperly bled brakes.
RV'ing in China is very popular. You see RV's of small to medium size regularly traveling all over the country, at interstate rest areas, and camp grounds. On my trips over the last few years, I've looked at some and they ALL appear to be better built, well appointed, practical, easy to use layouts and features, and not intimidating to drive. Some are Japanese and Korean manufacturers, other’s Chinese manufacturers. I will say, flat out, they beat the American made variety hands down.
I live in Quebec, Canada. Had a Tiffin class A, now a LTV unity 2020. Daughter had a few class Cs, now a 26 foot trailer. I repair RVs. I understand an saw the lack of quality in recent years. The equipment used is still pretty much the same and is quide reliable. The materials used (cheap plywood) and the construction/ assembly is now terrible. At the end of the day, management / owners are responsible for the final product. The problem: extremely difficult to sue them, including the dealer. Since 5 years ago, they have included clauses in their contract that make it impossible to sue. Even the manufacturer has to be sued in Indiana, no where else. Laws have to change to stop this practice. Luckily in Canada we can easily use the Consumer's small claims court No lawyer, 6 months wait on average, 20,000$ maximum, judge decision is final and public. It solves 90% of the issues as no dealer wants his name associated to a public judgment. In the last 30 years, I used it 5-6 times and the seller / dealer always settled before going to court. Courts and regulation are the solution because the represent $$$ for the dealers and manufacturers.
True about the falling build quality - but also - our US roads are in the worst condition in the history of paved roads. RV's can be built like a tank - but they will still fall in a pothole like anything else.
WOW BEST INFO EVER AS I CONSIDER BUYING A CLASS B RV EVERY YEAR! I’m going to buy a great Ford Transit and insulate it and put Bouge RV’s as fridges/freezers and add lithium, my pretty dresser and a couple of beds. No cheap high VOC vinyl they call leather. I actually have too much furniture and pre-COVID reclining leather chairs. THANKS SO MUCH!
Good video with many key points. Personally, I INTENSELY dislike the argument in defense of RV manufacturers that RVs are "rolling earthquakes on wheels". RV engineers should be building them to account for life on and off the highway. Can you imagine if this argument was used in the aviation industry? "The plane crashed due to turbulence....get over it"
The RV companies and dealers only get by with this is because people keep buying the product. If nobody is buying changes will have to made to stay in existence. Look at all the car companies that have gone out of business for various reasons.
My wife and I have owned two RV’s, a 2013 travel trailer and a 2019 Class C Entegra Esteem. The Esteem was a well built coach. We sold it last year to a couple who were specifically looking for a 2019 or older, due to quality issues with new models. We are currently in market for Class B+ on a van chassis. The prices for new / used Class B+ RV’s is outrageous! Based on the prices and quality issues we have decided to wait.
I changed my mind about RVing full - or even part time - after watching yours (and a few others) reality videos a few years back. I knew I didn't have what it takes (lack of mechanical knowledge, the size of my dogs - lol, etc). It seemed like the ideal life until I started watching videos about what it is really like. But I'm still hooked on your videos (the only RV channel I still follow and totally enjoy!) - but I am so grateful I did not buy one when I planned to. But what you are doing to the industry is nothing short of "amazing" (lol - ;-). You are an incredible lady - with a ton of moxie and grit - and I am so impressed with your tenacity: righting the wrongs and shouting from the rooftops about those that still have the right ethics. Amazing!! All the very best!
Thanks Liz, great content. Big brands buying up smaller ones, big dealerships buying up smaller ones (you know who they are), lack of competition, and lastly, corporate greed. A one year warranty could translate to one or two months for people who are seasonal. Buy used, get an inspection and figure you'll trade it off in a couple of years. Stay safe out there.
Lemon laws exist in some states but they find ways to help the dealers, you must be a resident, etc. My Thor Scallawag, I mean Sanctuary was in the shop in a different state so AG office turned down my Lemon Law complaint. Money talks, consumers walks.
I am replacing a dometic fridge that is four years old and from day one has never worked period, I troubleshoot this with every possible fix non worked, so now am replacing with a home unit electric only, upon removal I discovered there was supposed to be two bottom screws on the back side…and guess what no screws were installed by the manufacturer….this is exactly what the manufacturers should be bringing their quality back to the build …but I won’t hold my breath.
Supply and demand will always be the largest factor in pricing, and quality will always be affected by the demands of investors to hit sales goals. If you want better quality, investors need to be comfortable with lower ROI.
I know it. Going public seems to be a quality killer. They go from serving the customer to serving the investor. Thanks for your comment, and for watching!
Well done Liz - you are an amazing UA-camr - change is done by just one person standing up to corporations who think that they can make money without consequences to bad or poor products. Thank you on behalf of the RV community. Thanks to the RV manufacturers who make fantastic products, in any manufacturing process there can be a dud, but not continuously, and then they need to take responsibility to repair no issues.
After watching some of your videos< I would never ,ever buy an R/V.-They are all junk and if it isn't broken now its just a short amount of time before the roof leaks, the sllde won't go out or come back in, the plumbing is leaking, the frame is cracked or flexing, the suspension is falling apart, the floor is sinking, the microwave doesn't work, the walls have mold, the wallpaper is coming off, and this is from 100k to 300k R/V's bought brand new.
You nailed it as always . My 2003 still going original everything roof , steel floor all appliances . Fleetwood motor home 31H no slides . I can't believe it knock on wood
Old mechanic. They were built heavier materials+ definably heavier frames 20+ yrs ago. Problem is,everyone wants to have lighter trailers,for example,to pull with SUVs+ lighter trucks. You can't have it both ways. Not to mention, everything is computer controlled now. Nothing but cascading problems High tech does not mean better,but that's what people think.
i worked at fleetwood motorhomes in riverside, ca for almost 20 yrs. quality was always #1 on our minds. everything was checked and rechecked before it went out the door. and they got better every year.
As always, great info fairly said. Thank you for putting ultimate responsibility on management, so very true on everything. The expose on warranty is eye opening. So much to think about and your input has kept me encouraged and looking forward to the right rig. 💕this series!
Hi LIz, Gary from Kansas here! Always looking forward to a new video each week! You are 100% correct. It's not the workers, it the management. They just need better quality control when they put these things out. Have a good week and see you on your next video, girl!
I've been pretty happy with PleasureWay class B vans - very well built. I have an E-350 chassis with the 5.4L gas motor. At 100,000 miles it still doesn't burn or leak a drop of oil.
I was just at the Rv show in Harrisburg PA and really liked the pleasure-way plateau XLTS 2024…. Thanks for this comment which raises my confidence level before I sell the farm and purchase the RV…
About 5 years ago I saw a video on TV that showed an RV manufacturing plant that was building a 24 foot travel trailer. They completely built it in under 8 hours. Now they're probably doing them in less hours than that, but charging twice as much. The RV business is a major ripoff to buyers, now even worse than ever.
Oh You are absolutely right about people trading in their problems. I'm an NRVIA inspector and I inspected a Tiffin product this week that was less than 2 years old. 29 total issues with 24 being Major issues. They don't make them like they used too and Tiffin should be embarrassed !
Great channel Liz! I like to think I dodged the current industry failures when we bought a 2006 Holiday Rambler Vacationer ("Gus the Bus") in 2022 that was well taken care of and with few miles on the front end gas engine. There is upkeep of course, but that is the case with the newer RVs as well. We lived and traveled in our motorhome full-time for 6 months, and we are preparing to do that again this summer. I am also updating some of the interior finishes and furniture when time allows. Owning a motorhome is nothing like owning a car. You have to know it, know the systems and how they work and what to do when problems arise. Its been a learning curve, we made mistakes, but thanks to channels like yours, we are getting much more comfortable with it and it increases our confidence and enjoyment of Gus.
My most memorable camping times were loading up the truck, stopping at a state police post and picking up the free 3 day permit to camp in a federal forest, finding a fire trail and driving for miles into the middle of nowhere and setting up a tent.
We have an old RV , had to do extensive repairs on both the front end and back end! Lots of leaking and rot , so grateful we did it! We love the older styles, warm colours , the couch and furniture is going strong, everything else in the rv is strong, hate the condo feel of the new ones , love the cabin feel of older ones
Thanks for all you do Liz! I’d say another issue on the dealer side . . too many salespeople don’t even camp & don’t know their units & don’t know how to educate & help people select the best rig. ALSO poorly trained service staff!!
Thanks for all the videos!! I'm a weekend camper during spring through fall season. I dont move my grand design so I don't have alot of issues I hear others have. Plus mine is a 2014
Well done you. What you are doing is spot on. We live in England and have had motorhomes between 2003 and 2011 and never had a problem with firstly a Swift and secondary a Hymer. At 70 we have just brought a VW california ocean and it has 5 years warranty, 5 years servicing, 5 years breakdown cover in uk and Europe for no extra cost. I agree totally with your point you need foreign motorhome builders in the US. All the best Chris D
I went to an RV show recently in Denver and was shocked to see that the manufacturers have so little respect for their customers that they brought RV's to the show that had door frames coming apart. cabinets way out of square and many other obvious issues. They don't seem to care at all.
I have had a few bumper pull trailers over the years. Including Airstream. About 10 years ago I came across a 1986 Holiday Rambler Presidential 29 travel trailer. I bought it for $6000. It is that last year of the original Holiday Rambler Corporation models. Bullet proof. All aluminum superstructure, aluminum skin sides and roof. Fiberglass end caps with continental kit spare tire. Hiden propane tanks. Air ride suspension. Solid oak interior cabinetry. Looks like brand new at almost 40 years old. One time I forgot a full cup of coffee on the counter and drove away. When I eventually stopped, the coffee was still sitting there intact. They are many very high quality older products out the if you look around. And you can save thousands of dollars. As I mentioned, I have had this unit for about 10 years now. And I will never sell it. I am sure it will be in the same condition in another 10 or 20 years from now.
Our HR Admiral class A was beautifully made. It was a 2008. Now all the people I know, who are buying new rigs are going with the higher end just to avoid the junk being built today!
@@GigisART With all due respect Mame, I am speaking of the original HR Corporation which was founded in 1953 went out of business in 1986. Basically my travel trailer would now be considered as a vintage unit. These units are called HRC. After 1986, the product line was marketed under the brand name HR but built by a variety of manufacturers. Including Harley Davison, Monaco and currently REV. Anyway, while a high end brand, we are actually talking about 2 different animals. Similar in name only. Hope you still are enjoying your travels.
@@jasonfrodoman1316 what are you addressing?? I was commenting on how great our HR (built by Monaco), was. And just so you know, it’s Ma’am, not “Mame”. Mame was a broadway musical!
@@GigisART LOL Sorry Ma'am as I didn't catch that. Auntie Mame Rosalind Russell. I've enjoyed the film several times over the years. I was simply pointing out the HR brand is a very high quality unit that has persevered despite the manufacturing firm. But then I am into the vintage quality over the quality of today which was the point I was hoping to make in reference to the topic of the video....thats all. And now to include films. 😃
Prices are up because of supply and demand. Demand was huge during Covid and prices skyrocketed. I bought my last RV during Covid, Feb 2021, and it’s the best built RV I’ve ever owned.
What Rv did you buy May I ask? I am looking to buy and want review based on positive results because they ain’t cheap these days so I want to make the right choice on my first Rv Thanks
Thanks for what you're doing. We decided last fall to buy our RV this spring. The one we have been dreaming about for years, to travel and enjoy retirement. In light of all of the quality issues uncovered by you and a few other channels, we have changed our mind. It may take a year or two for things to turn around. We refuse to settle! Thanks again, Liz
A few years ago I rented a full sized RV, and towed it up to Alaska and back - about 9,000 miles round trip. It cost me a few thousand dollars to do that, about 1/3 the price of a new one, but there was no mileage fee, because most RVs don't have odometers, so I took advantage of the situation. It was a great decision. Along the way I lost a tire, and a cabinet started falling apart, (they use cheap wood staples to hold it together) but it was easily fixed. One problem I had was the RV battery died in the middle of the night at a campground, trying to run the propane heater/fan. But, that was easily fixed by starting the car. The greatest part of renting was giving it back to the rental company after it was all over - no storage or other ownership problems to worry about. I feel a bit sorry for the owner, as he had given this RV to this rental company to make some money, and I put 9000 miles on it over the course of just three months. But, a deal is a deal, and I followed the rules. (I didn't read anything in the contract about crossing the border into Canada.) On the same trip, I destroyed the differential on my new truck, and lost two weeks up in Washington State getting it fixed, but that was under warranty. Overall it was a once in a lifetime trip that I would highly recommend for anybody who has the health/money/time.
This says a lot! My wife wanted a 5th wheel camper, but I told her I will agree to get what we previously had, but no RV. After I explained my reasoning, she agreed 100%. A few years ago, we had a 42' living quarters 4-horse trailer with slide-outs. All welded aluminum frame, all aluminum exterior skin and the floor from front to rear was extruded interlocked aluminum (no wood). The only steel was the gooseneck, electric jacks and torsion axles. Built to haul (4) 1,000+ lb horses. We used that trailer many times camping at campgrounds without horses. Could fold in the tack room and use the back as a toy hauler. We pulled that trailer all over NC, VA and TN mountains for a few years, most of the time was towing 2 horses and on occasion 3 or 4. I pulled it from western TN to central NC to get home and see that my wife accidentally left a cup half full of drink on the kitchen countertop, that cup was still on the counter and not a drop of drink was on the counter, which says a lot for torsion axles and a well-built trailer. Of the many thousands of miles I towed that trailer and the countless nights camping, I never had to repair anything. I just done annual maintenance on hubs and brakes, we used it year-around. Camper - My Mother-law purchased a new 35' camper. It was towed from factory to dealership on the NC coast. Towed 6 miles to a campground where it was set on blocks and tied down. Two years later she wanted to move it to another campground on the coast, so I towed it approx. 100 miles to a campground where it was set on blocks and tied down. Now, 6 years later and less than 1,000 towed miles, it is falling apart. Every year she has to get multiple items repairs on that trailer, including rotted flooring, leaking roof, AC unit replaced, water heater replacement and so on, it's non-stop. This is with a 74 yr old woman staying there 2-3 months a year and it sitting (with hvac on, conditioned). I couldn't imagine what a disaster that camper would have been towing it a few thousand miles a year with it falling apart just sitting on blocks! I refuse to purchase a RV of any brand.
Thanks Liz! I have been watching your videos for a really long time. I learned so much about problems with full time RVing! No wonder why it’s in decline. So much money and time to the maintenance and wear&tear! I like airstream more and low maintenance trailers.
If you get an Airstream, definitely find out when the problems started. I think you want to buy pre- 2014. The owners forums will give you lots of good info. And thanks for being here through thick and thin, and for your kind words!
Liz, been following your channel a while now, and your content is spot-on. Your exposure of inequities in RV quality is a far cry from the channels giving tours of the "junk". Wonder how long it will take viewers to tire of that endless misleading content? Thank you for the great info, keep up the good work! I too full time in my 2005 Monaco Diplomat now for 2 1\2 years and I love it, even though most travels are alone. I opted for the Thousand Trails deal with a home based in NC where I have a covered space. The motel examples do not fly. I had to get a hotel for me and my dog for four days while I had paint work done, and the inconvenience is remarkable. For me that's A last resort.
I own a 2005 Born Free. The quality of this unit is off the charts. Have never had a problem with it. The fridge had to be changed but other than that, it’s perfect. The quality difference between it and the new ones is unbelievable.
It used to be called camping. Small exceedingly well build campers so you didn't have to use a tent. My current is a '72 Scotty 13 footer that has about $3000 invested. The two of us use it about one week a month year round. Since covid these RVers are noisy, don't have clue, leave messes behind and scare me half to death on the road. They also have made the overnight fees more than double. And I have seen so many RV problems.. My niece and family spent close to $100,000 and the first time the big awning went out the entire wall fell off. 2 years and still fighting with dealer.
years ago, I had a BMW 7, it definitely had the solidly built feel. It was also stuffed to the gills with luxury features. so much so that something was always breaking. and fixing each thing was expensive because getting to the location of the problem required getting pass so many other things.
@@LizAmazing when you mentioned RV's being crammed full of luxuries, I could relate. the bmw covered under warranty for 5 years, after that, the extended warranty was 2K per year. I thought it was ridiculous, being mostly experienced with Honda maintenance costs. Over the next 8 years, min maintenance was 2K/yr, with total maint. & repair about 30K. Resale value after 13 yr was about the same as a Honda Accord of the same model year.
We have been looking for a motorhome better than our 2005 Airstream Land Yacht 26 foot class A for the last 5 years. We've updated the interior to a very modern look that we like; cruises effortlessly and quietly at 70+ mph, has a bunch of outside storage but can park most everywhere at only 96" wide. Little things that need attention on a 19 year old rig are annoying but the cheap BS in even 300,000 dollar new class a's is very disappointing. We keep looking, cheers! BTW, Sprinter chassis is a no- go for us.
Just bought a brand new Keystone arcadia last year that had so many issues when I bought it. I was charged $1200 for PDI on a new camper and when I've picked it up, radio not working, solar not working, bedroom pullout was coming out crooked and so on ...................... too many issues to list. After 6 months of back and forth with the RV business, they finally fixed some of the problems. Like Liz mentioned in this video, get a certified person who will inspect your new or used RV before you buy.
Liz, It doesn’t matter what the makeup of the RV workforce is. Quality control is a universal concept; it doesn't matter where your workforce is from. Quality begins with Management, pure and simple. Workers require a set of expectations, guidance, and follow-up. The manufacturers must commit to producing a quality product. Surely, it can’t be the case that they are afraid of pricing too high for people to buy. Corporate greed has raised pricing to the moon. When quality becomes a driving force again, it comes down to accountability. Remember when clothing came with a tag that stated the name of the worker who assembled the product? What a novel idea! With today’s technology, tracking which workers assemble the product at the various stages of the manufacturing line is easy. This will allow us to identify any problems and either retrain or rehire. Once the workforce understands they will be held accountable, quality will improve. Finally, make a commitment to lower prices without sacrificing quality. The RV industry is quickly eliminating what used to be their base clientele by pricing them out of the market. Larry from Texas
I do appreciate you commenting on my comments. You are REALLY making a difference. That a good point about the car industry in the 70s That when Nissan and Toyota really sold like crazy because they were reliable. ( and US Auto were not ) You are becoming legendary Liz !!!
Very good video. You give great advice. My truck/camper needs a new truck. I checked out new trucks. They are grossly over priced and ugly. I decided that as soon as the weather gets warm, I will start fixing up my 1985 Chevy. I'll do a working truck restoration and save over $50,000. The RV industry is very bad now. The best tactic is to buy used. I car/camped in my old Chevy wagon in 1973. Still got lots of good memories from that one. Happy Travels. Good Luck, Rick
You sold all your camping gear and rv AND your wife...? And all that so you could have less stress at a hotel?!?! lol @ grammar. That's why I like a copious use of commas.
I was considering an RV, but it's just too risky looking at your video and Lehto's Law's video on the crooked way manufactures handle warranty issues. I'll just do short trips in my van and buy a house in a low cost part of the country and fly around for vacation. Thank you for bringing this to light!
Sorry to hear that and I hope you'll reconsider. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ua-cam.com/video/JSo5n2B62MA/v-deo.html
Very interesting turn. Lots at play here I think, sort of like the auto industry. My wife and I were thinking of upgrading to a "better" trailer after our kids moved out. we went and looked at a few supposedly highly rated trailers. What a shock for sure. I had heard there was an industry wide decline in quality but had no idea how bad it was. We looked at three different trailers and I spotted at least 6 issues with each one with just a casual walk through, not to mention very poor designs and just cheap feeling. We drove away both thinking our budget model trailer is actually nicer than what we looked at.... and paid off ha ha.
Wow - keep up with the content. You certainly have opened an avenue for people sharing their experiences and suggestions for the industry. I agree with one of the comments made, have a lemon law for RV manufacturers - not just a one or two year warranty.
Great for people like you. Thank You for what you do. Thank You from my heart. You're doing what all other UA-camrs are not doing. Academy Awards to you
Not only the price of the units but the cost if fuel and the cost of these parks and their entrance fees . The current administration is completely against the RV industry as these vehicles tend to be gas guzzlers and in order to save gas you have to reduce weight and that means more plastic and aluminum and less wood and steel in these units. I had a lightweight nomad travel trailer and it was a rolling piece of crap that constantly was having issues. When they built it they didn't seal the vent tubes properly and water poured in and blowed out the flooring and cabinets in the bathroom area . I lost so much money and that was the end of my RVing days .
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Liz the problem is not the rising prices but the devaluation of US Dollar.. In fact people always seem to think that prices are rising without considering that is the dollar loosing purchasing power.
The problem is there’s no lemon law. Bring in a lemon law and everything will change. The RV industry needs to be policed.
Agree.
Here's my video about the state and national lemon laws for RVs. ua-cam.com/video/MtnjxoljNa4/v-deo.html
The problem with Lemon laws is the manufacturers have lobbied and lined the pockets of politicians in states that already had pretty good laws and now the laws favor the manufacturers ! ? Follow the money.... Louisiana for example...
the UCC governs thru Magnuson Moss - people don't understand that manufacturer warranties are largely efforts to circumscribe what the UCC & Magnuson Moss gives the buyer and much of what manufacturers put in there like venue for disputes is there to fool the purchaser and cannot be enforced due to the UCC & Magnuson Moss
👍👍. Billy, anybody that has a lemon law issue regarding RVs can hire a lemon law lawyer. There are law lawyers all over the country that would pick up a legitimate lemon law case about a new RV I am an expert witness in the RV industry, and I know what I’m saying is true. 👍👍
Liz, I think the overall problem is the private equity groups taking over the RV industry. I suggest make a chart of when Thor Industries began buying up Airstream, Jayco, Dutchman etcc and I think you will see those dates match with when buyers say quality began to decline. Private equity buys companies, loads them up with debt, then demands cost cutting. We have seen that in other industries. I think you are also right about lack of foreign competition for these bulky, expensive products.
I think that's a very good point. Now they are trying to please the investors instead of the customers. Thanks for watching, Richard.
@@LizAmazing I will bet that if you make the chart you can show clearly that as Thor bought others a wave of lower quality swept the industry.
@@LizAmazing google “ history of thor industries”. In 1980 they bought Airstream from Beatrice Foods, then ever since they bought a dozen bus and RV makers, probably 20 different brands. Could be why people say ‘classic’ old Airstream and older Jayco, Keystone, etcc were better.
Uh... You must have missed the memo, but Thor Industries is a publicly traded stock corporation, as is REV Group and Winnebago.
@@raygunsforronnie847 oops, you are correct on that. But my guess on the larger point is the same: user comments on declining quality seem to follow the pattern of many previous manufacturers being folded into Thor.
When a nice RV in 2018 that cost $35K now costs over $100K for junk, I’m keeping my powder dry and just not buying. I suspect I’m not the only one with this opinion.
Keeping your white powder dry?
Advice: find an Airstream from the early 1990s. Refurbish the floors and fabrics. Have fun with it.
I would rent, for whatever it costs, and still be ahead of the game overall. The running costs on these things are crazy, let alone the repairs.
@@rudiwiedemann8173 if you are serious, buy a vehicular that is pre-covid era.
I'd never buy an RV. I will rather convert a boxtruck myself for a whole lot less.
I agree with you Liz, all problems start at the top from managment. A worker can only put together what managment puts in his hands. Love the park where you are, looks like tons of fun. See you next time.
Absolutely! 100 percent!
And the employees/workers will pay the price for greed/ mismanagement!!!
@@michaelguyda9507 Always do!
Way WAY DEEP'R Than That VERY CORDINATED, Like The Thousands 😮Getting Stomach Viruses on = "On" Cruise Ships, FOr 3 - 4 Years Before pppPLandemic😢
A fish rots from the head down.
Keep it up, Liz! Social media is the great equalizer in this situation. The RV manufacturers will not be able to ignore their customers and continue with the status quo.
We are soon going to purchase a larger RV. We will certainly avoid the current junk being thrown together.
Thanks for all you are do for our community!
Yay, thank YOU for your support, Peter. Be sure to consider buying used, do your research and get an inspection. Happy RV shopping! Thanks for watching.
I agree there is no competition when 2 or 3 companies own about 90% of the RV brands and large retails like Camping World dominate the sales and service portion of the market. Poor service and build quality seem to go hand in hand with monopolies, if this business model continues consumers will stop buying RVs and the industry will fold!
More competition is definitely needed, especially competition with higher quality standards.
They Need That Project Farm Guy Testing RV'S From 😮Start To 😊Finish, 4 Proper QuaLity ControL
That has been our problem, Dealing with Thor and Camping World@@bryanmathew2079
Point well taken, but in the long run, the joke will be on the quasi monopoly running the industry. If they keep building junk because there's no competition, people will look to alternatives to RVs, which are, after all, a luxury for those that are not full timers. Airbnb, condo rentals, vacation homes are all alternatives to junk RVs that cost as much as houses.
BS. Three companies does not a monopoly make silly indoctrinated Marxist. When your competition makes crap an easy alternative is to make things less crap. The real problem is the Socialist Left has Fee'd and regulated RVs into oblivion. The only monopoly are the Socialists that run your Govt and regulate RVs.
Several years ago I did think you went a little *too* easy on the RV industry. You would of course point out issues, but typically in the context of individual solutions. But I am tickled to see you go toe to toe with the industry as a whole. Even though I decided to go with a tiny house instead, I still do business with the RV industry and to say they cut corners would be a *massive* understatement lol thanks, Liz! I appreciate you also for defending the workers too. The executives define the supplies, the timeline, and the quality control, among many other things. Let's not throw the workers under the Class A motorhome!
Greed, very very poor quality control by management...and I'll inform customers 😮 Have a great weekend LiZ !!! 😊
You’re correct on the profit side of the equation. It’s not just RVs it’s everything. Our disposable society has creeped into every aspect of our lives. This absurd greed was accelerated during Covid. Our recourse as consumers is to not buy until you are satisfied that your money is being spent wisely. Thanks for your vids Liz. 😊
Thank you for watching, I so appreciate you being here!
Liz you need to keep this up so maybe the manufacturers start producing quality over quantity
Thanks to our Socialist Govt we dont get quality anymore we get fee's regulations and and junk. Socialism destroys.
After owning two Entegra Anthems (2014 & 2017), we viewed a 2024. No more tile floor, no more hard wood cabinets, no passenger window to open, the driver window that opens is half the size. Closet no more cedar lining, no shoe storage, and the washer/dryer stack is over the toilet. To say that Thor has "cheapened" Entegra is an understatement.
My brother-in-law lives and bought an RV in Scotland. It's 8 yrs old and never had a problem to date. It's a Class B built on a Fiat chassis.
here that would be a ProMaster conversion!
That's interesting because UK vehicles generally rank very low in owner satisfaction and require constant repairs. Scotland is the poorest area of the UK.
Build quality on a Fiat chassis? Amazing! Of course it is pre-covid and likely wasn't pushed out the factory so quickly.
@@vapoet Pre-covid is a big factor. There's a guy...Matt's RV reviews...who went to an RV show in Dusseldorf Germany...it's interesting.
@@andyjones2261 I got very annoyed at the last RV shows I've been to. These days it's either a massive 5th wheel or 13 foot teardrop. The 3000-3500 lbs 20 footers aren;t being placed before potential customers.
Thor Industries bought’em all up and flushed quality down the🚽
Agreed. Thor Industries, like Amazon, needs to be broken up. This goes along with the comment about not having any foreign competition.
Berkshire Hathaway too- that's what it does by concentrating the industry and they plan it that way. Drives down competition while driving up profits.
Interesting that the overall quality of RV’s is related to the price of the components and the materials used to make RV’s. People don’t want to pay the price to make high quality RV’s. So the industry gives them what they want, very cheap and low quality. Not sure why you are so surprised.
@@DouglasJames925well, folks are recognizing the low quality and not buying. RV sales have dropped dramatically in the last couple of years.
But, the thing is, "This stuff is not always very cheap! They are selling it for high Inflationary prices! as if it's high quality!" That's the big joke. And, that's what's happening to everything across this country. Everything is being ruined! For the sake of making Shareholders, Billionaires, Stockholders meg-wealthy. Hence, the term Greedy Capitalist.@@DouglasJames925
Naaah the real reason is what happened to German car manufacturers, Carhartt, Boing and so many others... They are falling because they want to maximize profits, "managers" are leading not engineers. That s it.
Every RV owner should tour the Elkhart factories. We went to Jayco, Grand Design, and Keystone. The only factory that had a tour while production was in operation was Jayco. The workers hustled like they were on piece work, which they probably are. I remember my days of working in a factory. Management always pushed for more production.
We just bought a Ford Transit cargo van. We’ll see if we can do better than the RV industry at building a camper.
I worked in a mobile home factory and we made both single and double wides. There were 8 assembly stations from the frame work through final finish. Employees were constantly pushed to get at least 3 complete homes out the door each day. Managers got on the intercom barking orders at people to work faster. Workers themselves were basically casual labor types, no education beyond high school, if they made it that far.. paid minimum wage. They had no future there and didn't give an F about anything, they knew they'd work there a year or two and move on. I felt sorry for those who bought them, probably saw a real nice model home at a dealership all set up, decorated, etc. After becoming interested in RV'ing and studying, I have come to the conclusion RV's are no different in the construction process.
Before Covid, I was looking at 17 foot travel trailers with one big slideout. The cost was around $13,000. Now the same travel trailer is $27,000, and the workmanship is terrible. Take a look under the cabinets, look in some of the dead spaces, and you will see electrical wires run randomly all over the place, worse than a spider's web. Look underneath one, everything just isn't secured very well. The steel frame welding is terrible.
There is no regulation, that's the biggest problem. Keep pushing the Independent RV Inspection, it is so important. Keep up the good work Liz!
Regulation? You want more Government? What?
Miss Liz nailed it!! It's not the workers it is management. So correct. I had a boating buddy that upgraded to a new 25 foot family cruiser. We did one of our weekends up the the Apostle Islands in Lake Superior. After we got them off the trailers we headed out to one of the islands. Now granted it was a little lumpy on the lake but that means you go slow. The boat might rock and roll but no hard jolts. We got to the island and he opened his cabin door and his galley assemble had totally come off the wall. If I remember correctly there was only six small screws holding it on. That is not workers that is management. Thanks for the update on what you have been doing. Looks like a fun place. Congrats on 110!!
You apply for the job then don’t lie saying u can do the job. Or is it u apply for the job and are being told they will train u on the job but don’t? Which is it? 🤔🍻
Thanks for your support, Dan, and for sharing that story about the boat. Definitely more QC is needed everywhere!!
You make it very easy to support.
But screws are soo expensive! lol
That IS funny. Didn't see much of this in the boating world unlike the RV world.
I just got back from a show and was shocked to see how everything was made so cheaply. I understand making rigs light, but to sacrifice integrity and longevity to lightness is wrong and a rip off. Thanks Liz!
I know. It's very shortsighted to do this. They'll ruin their reputation if their products keep falling apart. Thanks for watching.
Liz you hit the nail on the head about many of us are willing to pay for quality built RV that does cost more than $500K. I cant believe I would have to spend that much and still might get a mediocre build quality. I swear my next coach will be an older Prevost type unit.
I've heard good things about those Prevosts! And also check out Foretravel. Happy shopping and thanks for being here!
What is wrong with the RV industry? The RV industries greed (not all companies, but 75% of them) and cutting corners to please shareholders. In the end shareholders want to see profit and that profit has to come. The easiest cost cutting for companies with a bad future plan for reputation is to cheap out on quality material and quality control. Thanks for the video and a big hello from our UA-cam channel to you!
Consumers have to take some of the blame, wanting high end finishes and not wanting to spend more. Companies cheap out and use junk that looks expensive but doesn’t hold up. Sometimes going for simplicity can go farther and make a better product and experience for the consumer. It’s just a thought
Check out Northwood RV and Outdoors RV, both based in LaGrande, OR. They both are independent RV manufacturers that build their own frames and build quality travel trailers, truck campers, and fifth wheels.
I've been hearing good things about them. Thank you so much!
The best quality I've ever seen are Oliver trailers. But they are far too small for many of us. Huge pity, as I would love one, but can't manage their tiny size. 8' wide and another 4" taller and I would own one!!!
We have a Northwood fifth wheel. No problems at all for seven years. Built like a tank.
Actually Outdoor RV buys their frames from Northwood...
I have an 2020 Outdoors 24rks, i didn't look at the price i wanted quality, and i know RVs. Minor expected issues but its definitely solid, i recommend every one look at the Outdoors
You couldn’t pay me enough to get into the RV life right now. Too risky, too expensive, and too many horror stories of poorly constructed vehicles. I simply won’t throw my money away on something that is so full of uncertainty.
Just like Boeing.....rush, rush, rush; damn QC, just get them out. Workers always worry about their work, they have pride until browbeaten by management. Cheers to you LIZ.
Excellent comment.
Just like every industry. Look at a McDonalds cheeseburger for gods sake. It costs 3x more and is half the size. This is what Socialism ALWAYS does to industry.
@@TheGreatRepeller Pure, unrestrained capitalism is more like it.
@@bernecomp America hasn't had Capitalism since that Socialist named FDR rammed his Fascist New Deal up Americas arse in 1933. After he purposefully broke the economy, lol. We need to try real capitalism again silly indoctrinated Socialist. In capitalism Corporation make the things the consumer wants. In Socialist Commie/Fascism the Govt dictates to the Corporation the things they will make and sell using excuses like "climate changes too much."
@@bernecomp Capitalists dont need to CENSOR other people like youtube does.
Thanks so much for all of your videos. We’re no longer on the road but every now and then I get the bug. This is a good reminder of “be warned”
I am a professional mechanic who works in bus fleet maintenance, I do not own an RV, but my parents and a brother have in the past, so I am not a complete stranger to the RV industry. First let me say bravo to Liz for having this channel to educate people. Second, the quality decline is larger than the RV industry, it is affecting the bus industry as well, and I suspect other things too such as the home construction industry too. In the last year I have seen several bush league mistakes on new buses. Simple things like asymmetrical installation of required lights, loose hose clamps, to major things like bellhousing to engine block bolts left finger tight that caused the failure of a flex plate at 3000km, or improperly bled brakes.
RV'ing in China is very popular. You see RV's of small to medium size regularly traveling all over the country, at interstate rest areas, and camp grounds.
On my trips over the last few years, I've looked at some and they ALL appear to be better built, well appointed, practical, easy to use layouts and features, and not intimidating to drive. Some are Japanese and Korean manufacturers, other’s Chinese manufacturers.
I will say, flat out, they beat the American made variety hands down.
I live in Quebec, Canada. Had a Tiffin class A, now a LTV unity 2020. Daughter had a few class Cs, now a 26 foot trailer.
I repair RVs.
I understand an saw the lack of quality in recent years. The equipment used is still pretty much the same and is quide reliable. The materials used (cheap plywood) and the construction/ assembly is now terrible. At the end of the day, management / owners are responsible for the final product.
The problem: extremely difficult to sue them, including the dealer. Since 5 years ago, they have included clauses in their contract that make it impossible to sue. Even the manufacturer has to be sued in Indiana, no where else.
Laws have to change to stop this practice.
Luckily in Canada we can easily use the Consumer's small claims court
No lawyer, 6 months wait on average, 20,000$ maximum, judge decision is final and public. It solves 90% of the issues as no dealer wants his name associated to a public judgment. In the last 30 years, I used it 5-6 times and the seller / dealer always settled before going to court.
Courts and regulation are the solution because the represent $$$ for the dealers and manufacturers.
True about the falling build quality - but also - our US roads are in the worst condition in the history of paved roads. RV's can be built like a tank - but they will still fall in a pothole like anything else.
Yes. the roads truly are a mess. Thanks for your comment.
WOW BEST INFO EVER AS I CONSIDER BUYING A CLASS B RV EVERY YEAR! I’m going to buy a great Ford Transit and insulate it and put Bouge RV’s as fridges/freezers and add lithium, my pretty dresser and a couple of beds. No cheap high VOC vinyl they call leather. I actually have too much furniture and pre-COVID reclining leather chairs. THANKS SO MUCH!
Good video with many key points. Personally, I INTENSELY dislike the argument in defense of RV manufacturers that RVs are "rolling earthquakes on wheels". RV engineers should be building them to account for life on and off the highway. Can you imagine if this argument was used in the aviation industry? "The plane crashed due to turbulence....get over it"
Exactly this! Thanks for your comment, Robert.
The RV companies and dealers only get by with this is because people keep buying the product. If nobody is buying changes will have to made to stay in existence. Look at all the car companies that have gone out of business for various reasons.
Right you are! Thanks for watching.
My wife and I have owned two RV’s, a 2013 travel trailer and a 2019 Class C Entegra Esteem. The Esteem was a well built coach. We sold it last year to a couple who were specifically looking for a 2019 or older, due to quality issues with new models. We are currently in market for Class B+ on a van chassis. The prices for new / used Class B+ RV’s is outrageous! Based on the prices and quality issues we have decided to wait.
I don't blame you one bit on that. Thanks for your comment, and for watching.
I changed my mind about RVing full - or even part time - after watching yours (and a few others) reality videos a few years back. I knew I didn't have what it takes (lack of mechanical knowledge, the size of my dogs - lol, etc). It seemed like the ideal life until I started watching videos about what it is really like. But I'm still hooked on your videos (the only RV channel I still follow and totally enjoy!) - but I am so grateful I did not buy one when I planned to. But what you are doing to the industry is nothing short of "amazing" (lol - ;-). You are an incredible lady - with a ton of moxie and grit - and I am so impressed with your tenacity: righting the wrongs and shouting from the rooftops about those that still have the right ethics. Amazing!! All the very best!
Awww, thanks for saying so. Glad you thought it through before giving it a try. And thanks again SO MUCH for cheering me on!
Thanks! Great presentation, good advice.
Thank you much, sure appreciate your support!
Good for you. We need quality back in all areas of life.
As always Liz, I thank you for all the insight and for one we can see that older is better/wiser to keep!
Thank you so much Bernard! Have a great weekend!
Until the tv parks refuse to let you in due to the age of your rig lol
Thanks Liz, great content. Big brands buying up smaller ones, big dealerships buying up smaller ones (you know who they are), lack of competition, and lastly, corporate greed. A one year warranty could translate to one or two months for people who are seasonal. Buy used, get an inspection and figure you'll trade it off in a couple of years. Stay safe out there.
I like to see lemon laws on the RVs
I did a video on the state and national lemon laws for RVs: ua-cam.com/video/MtnjxoljNa4/v-deo.html
Lemon laws exist in some states but they find ways to help the dealers, you must be a resident, etc. My Thor Scallawag, I mean Sanctuary was in the shop in a different state so AG office turned down my Lemon Law complaint. Money talks, consumers walks.
I am replacing a dometic fridge that is four years old and from day one has never worked period, I troubleshoot this with every possible fix non worked, so now am replacing with a home unit electric only, upon removal I discovered there was supposed to be two bottom screws on the back side…and guess what no screws were installed by the manufacturer….this is exactly what the manufacturers should be bringing their quality back to the build …but I won’t hold my breath.
Alot of problems are user caused. You should watch UA-cam videos on certain products that you don't understand
Supply and demand will always be the largest factor in pricing, and quality will always be affected by the demands of investors to hit sales goals. If you want better quality, investors need to be comfortable with lower ROI.
I know it. Going public seems to be a quality killer. They go from serving the customer to serving the investor. Thanks for your comment, and for watching!
So glad you have made these eye opening videos! Thank you
Well done Liz - you are an amazing UA-camr - change is done by just one person standing up to corporations who think that they can make money without consequences to bad or poor products. Thank you on behalf of the RV community. Thanks to the RV manufacturers who make fantastic products, in any manufacturing process there can be a dud, but not continuously, and then they need to take responsibility to repair no issues.
After watching some of your videos< I would never ,ever buy an R/V.-They are all junk and if it isn't broken now its just a short amount of time before the roof leaks, the sllde won't go out or come back in, the plumbing is leaking, the frame is cracked or flexing, the suspension is falling apart, the floor is sinking, the microwave doesn't work, the walls have mold, the wallpaper is coming off, and this is from 100k to 300k R/V's bought brand new.
You nailed it as always . My 2003 still going original everything roof , steel floor all appliances . Fleetwood motor home 31H no slides . I can't believe it knock on wood
Old mechanic.
They were built heavier materials+ definably heavier frames 20+ yrs ago.
Problem is,everyone wants to have lighter trailers,for example,to pull with SUVs+ lighter trucks.
You can't have it both ways.
Not to mention, everything is computer controlled now.
Nothing but cascading problems
High tech does not mean better,but that's what people think.
i worked at fleetwood motorhomes in riverside, ca for almost 20 yrs. quality was always #1 on our minds. everything was checked and rechecked before it went out the door. and they got better every year.
As always, great info fairly said. Thank you for putting ultimate responsibility on management, so very true on everything. The expose on warranty is eye opening. So much to think about and your input has kept me encouraged and looking forward to the right rig. 💕this series!
Yay, thank you for being here, Deborah. Have a nice weekend.
Hi LIz, Gary from Kansas here! Always looking forward to a new video each week! You are 100% correct. It's not the workers, it the management. They just need better quality control when they put these things out. Have a good week and see you on your next video, girl!
Just build your own RV.
I've been pretty happy with PleasureWay class B vans - very well built. I have an E-350 chassis with the 5.4L gas motor. At 100,000 miles it still doesn't burn or leak a drop of oil.
I had a friend who had one and she was very happy as well. Thanks for sharing this, and for watching.
That has nothing to do with PleasureWay
I was just at the Rv show in Harrisburg PA and really liked the pleasure-way plateau XLTS 2024…. Thanks for this comment which raises my confidence level before I sell the farm and purchase the RV…
Rule number one for a better American life: stop blaming victims.
About 5 years ago I saw a video on TV that showed an RV manufacturing plant that was building a 24 foot travel trailer. They completely built it in under 8 hours. Now they're probably doing them in less hours than that, but charging twice as much. The RV business is a major ripoff to buyers, now even worse than ever.
We have a 2020 Keystone Outback that sees a lot of use. We do keep it clean and very well maintained and so far it has performed flawlessly for us!
Oh You are absolutely right about people trading in their problems. I'm an NRVIA inspector and I inspected a Tiffin product this week that was less than 2 years old. 29 total issues with 24 being Major issues. They don't make them like they used too and Tiffin should be embarrassed !
Wow, thank you for sharing this!!
Great channel Liz! I like to think I dodged the current industry failures when we bought a 2006 Holiday Rambler Vacationer ("Gus the Bus") in 2022 that was well taken care of and with few miles on the front end gas engine. There is upkeep of course, but that is the case with the newer RVs as well. We lived and traveled in our motorhome full-time for 6 months, and we are preparing to do that again this summer. I am also updating some of the interior finishes and furniture when time allows. Owning a motorhome is nothing like owning a car. You have to know it, know the systems and how they work and what to do when problems arise. Its been a learning curve, we made mistakes, but thanks to channels like yours, we are getting much more comfortable with it and it increases our confidence and enjoyment of Gus.
Awww, thanks for saying this, Gus. And hang onto that classic, it sounds like a good one.
My most memorable camping times were loading up the truck, stopping at a state police post and picking up the free 3 day permit to camp in a federal forest, finding a fire trail and driving for miles into the middle of nowhere and setting up a tent.
Yes! Wonderful memories!! Thanks for watching
We have an old RV , had to do extensive repairs on both the front end and back end! Lots of leaking and rot , so grateful we did it! We love the older styles, warm colours , the couch and furniture is going strong, everything else in the rv is strong, hate the condo feel of the new ones , love the cabin feel of older ones
Yes indeed!!! Same here with my 2005 motorhome! Thanks for watching and happy travels
Thanks for all you do Liz!
I’d say another issue on the dealer side . . too many salespeople don’t even camp & don’t know their units & don’t know how to educate & help people select the best rig. ALSO poorly trained service staff!!
lol, that too 👍🏼🍻
Yes. I could do endless videos on bad dealers!!! Thanks for watching, Joy. Have a good weekend.
Thanks for all the videos!! I'm a weekend camper during spring through fall season. I dont move my grand design so I don't have alot of issues I hear others have. Plus mine is a 2014
Ooh, if you have a 2014, hang on to that. I hear they were built like a tank! Thanks for watching.
I dont even plan to get an RV but Liz is amazing. Strong commentary and presentation.
Yay! Thanks for being here, Joe! Here's my brand new video, see you there: ua-cam.com/video/ZZHVD3vH7kw/v-deo.html
I agree with you, it is not the workers that are to blame for poor-quality workmanship on RVs. Top management is to blame.
Well done you. What you are doing is spot on. We live in England and have had motorhomes between 2003 and 2011 and never had a problem with firstly a Swift and secondary a Hymer. At 70 we have just brought a VW california ocean and it has 5 years warranty, 5 years servicing, 5 years breakdown cover in uk and Europe for no extra cost. I agree totally with your point you need foreign motorhome builders in the US. All the best Chris D
Thanks for weighing in Chris. And cheers to you from across the pond.
I went to an RV show recently in Denver and was shocked to see that the manufacturers have so little respect for their customers that they brought RV's to the show that had door frames coming apart. cabinets way out of square and many other obvious issues. They don't seem to care at all.
Oh that is terrible. And I've heard others say the same thing. Thanks for your comment.
5:05 called greed
I think it's the same problem that always happens. A company decides to cut quality and service in favor of profits.
I have had a few bumper pull trailers over the years. Including Airstream. About 10 years ago I came across a 1986 Holiday Rambler Presidential 29 travel trailer. I bought it for $6000. It is that last year of the original Holiday Rambler Corporation models. Bullet proof. All aluminum superstructure, aluminum skin sides and roof. Fiberglass end caps with continental kit spare tire. Hiden propane tanks. Air ride suspension. Solid oak interior cabinetry. Looks like brand new at almost 40 years old. One time I forgot a full cup of coffee on the counter and drove away. When I eventually stopped, the coffee was still sitting there intact. They are many very high quality older products out the if you look around. And you can save thousands of dollars. As I mentioned, I have had this unit for about 10 years now. And I will never sell it. I am sure it will be in the same condition in another 10 or 20 years from now.
Our HR Admiral class A was beautifully made. It was a 2008.
Now all the people I know, who are buying new rigs are going with the higher end just to avoid the junk being built today!
@@GigisART With all due respect Mame, I am speaking of the original HR Corporation which was founded in 1953 went out of business in 1986. Basically my travel trailer would now be considered as a vintage unit. These units are called HRC.
After 1986, the product line was marketed under the brand name HR but built by a variety of manufacturers. Including Harley Davison, Monaco and currently REV.
Anyway, while a high end brand, we are actually talking about 2 different animals. Similar in name only.
Hope you still are enjoying your travels.
@@jasonfrodoman1316 what are you addressing?? I was commenting on how great our HR (built by Monaco), was. And just so you know, it’s Ma’am, not “Mame”. Mame was a broadway musical!
@@GigisART LOL Sorry Ma'am as I didn't catch that. Auntie Mame Rosalind Russell. I've enjoyed the film several times over the years.
I was simply pointing out the HR brand is a very high quality unit that has persevered despite the manufacturing firm. But then I am into the vintage quality over the quality of today which was the point I was hoping to make in reference to the topic of the video....thats all. And now to include films. 😃
Prices are up because of supply and demand. Demand was huge during Covid and prices skyrocketed.
I bought my last RV during Covid, Feb 2021, and it’s the best built RV I’ve ever owned.
What Rv did you buy May I ask?
I am looking to buy and want review based on positive results because they ain’t cheap these days so I want to make the right choice on my first Rv
Thanks
Thanks for what you're doing. We decided last fall to buy our RV this spring. The one we have been dreaming about for years, to travel and enjoy retirement. In light of all of the quality issues uncovered by you and a few other channels, we have changed our mind. It may take a year or two for things to turn around. We refuse to settle! Thanks again, Liz
A few years ago I rented a full sized RV, and towed it up to Alaska and back - about 9,000 miles round trip. It cost me a few thousand dollars to do that, about 1/3 the price of a new one, but there was no mileage fee, because most RVs don't have odometers, so I took advantage of the situation. It was a great decision. Along the way I lost a tire, and a cabinet started falling apart, (they use cheap wood staples to hold it together) but it was easily fixed. One problem I had was the RV battery died in the middle of the night at a campground, trying to run the propane heater/fan. But, that was easily fixed by starting the car. The greatest part of renting was giving it back to the rental company after it was all over - no storage or other ownership problems to worry about. I feel a bit sorry for the owner, as he had given this RV to this rental company to make some money, and I put 9000 miles on it over the course of just three months. But, a deal is a deal, and I followed the rules. (I didn't read anything in the contract about crossing the border into Canada.) On the same trip, I destroyed the differential on my new truck, and lost two weeks up in Washington State getting it fixed, but that was under warranty. Overall it was a once in a lifetime trip that I would highly recommend for anybody who has the health/money/time.
That's great. Thanks for sharing this. This is a good way to try RV life without committing a huge amount of $$$$.
Thanks Liz, keep up the good work..
You're welcome Mike! Have a great weekend and thanks for watching.
This says a lot!
My wife wanted a 5th wheel camper, but I told her I will agree to get what we previously had, but no RV. After I explained my reasoning, she agreed 100%.
A few years ago, we had a 42' living quarters 4-horse trailer with slide-outs. All welded aluminum frame, all aluminum exterior skin and the floor from front to rear was extruded interlocked aluminum (no wood). The only steel was the gooseneck, electric jacks and torsion axles. Built to haul (4) 1,000+ lb horses. We used that trailer many times camping at campgrounds without horses. Could fold in the tack room and use the back as a toy hauler. We pulled that trailer all over NC, VA and TN mountains for a few years, most of the time was towing 2 horses and on occasion 3 or 4. I pulled it from western TN to central NC to get home and see that my wife accidentally left a cup half full of drink on the kitchen countertop, that cup was still on the counter and not a drop of drink was on the counter, which says a lot for torsion axles and a well-built trailer. Of the many thousands of miles I towed that trailer and the countless nights camping, I never had to repair anything. I just done annual maintenance on hubs and brakes, we used it year-around.
Camper - My Mother-law purchased a new 35' camper. It was towed from factory to dealership on the NC coast. Towed 6 miles to a campground where it was set on blocks and tied down. Two years later she wanted to move it to another campground on the coast, so I towed it approx. 100 miles to a campground where it was set on blocks and tied down. Now, 6 years later and less than 1,000 towed miles, it is falling apart. Every year she has to get multiple items repairs on that trailer, including rotted flooring, leaking roof, AC unit replaced, water heater replacement and so on, it's non-stop. This is with a 74 yr old woman staying there 2-3 months a year and it sitting (with hvac on, conditioned). I couldn't imagine what a disaster that camper would have been towing it a few thousand miles a year with it falling apart just sitting on blocks! I refuse to purchase a RV of any brand.
We are truly lucky with our 2022 Coachman 192rbs. No issues in over 2 years and over 5,000.
Yay, so glad to hear this! Thanks for watching, Julie!
Thanks Liz! I have been watching your videos for a really long time. I learned so much about problems with full time RVing! No wonder why it’s in decline. So much money and time to the maintenance and wear&tear! I like airstream more and low maintenance trailers.
If you get an Airstream, definitely find out when the problems started. I think you want to buy pre- 2014. The owners forums will give you lots of good info. And thanks for being here through thick and thin, and for your kind words!
Liz, been following your channel a while now, and your content is spot-on. Your exposure of inequities in RV quality is a far cry from the channels giving tours of the "junk". Wonder how long it will take viewers to tire of that endless misleading content?
Thank you for the great info, keep up the good work!
I too full time in my 2005 Monaco Diplomat now for 2 1\2 years and I love it, even though most travels are alone. I opted for the Thousand Trails deal with a home based in NC where I have a covered space.
The motel examples do not fly. I had to get a hotel for me and my dog for four days while I had paint work done, and the inconvenience is remarkable. For me that's A last resort.
Like I said Liz, The RV industry wants the help to work at break neck pace. They keep finding simulated products that look fancy but they are crap.
They'll do anything to hit those sales goals!
I own a 2005 Born Free. The quality of this unit is off the charts. Have never had a problem with it. The fridge had to be changed but other than that, it’s perfect. The quality difference between it and the new ones is unbelievable.
I've heard good things about them and have had camping neighbors with them. Thanks for your comment and happy travels!
It used to be called camping. Small exceedingly well build campers so you didn't have to use a tent. My current is a '72 Scotty 13 footer that has about $3000 invested. The two of us use it about one week a month year round. Since covid these RVers are noisy, don't have clue, leave messes behind and scare me half to death on the road. They also have made the overnight fees more than double. And I have seen so many RV problems.. My niece and family spent close to $100,000 and the first time the big awning went out the entire wall fell off. 2 years and still fighting with dealer.
years ago, I had a BMW 7, it definitely had the solidly built feel. It was also stuffed to the gills with luxury features. so much so that something was always breaking. and fixing each thing was expensive because getting to the location of the problem required getting pass so many other things.
So sad to hear this Joe. Definitely keeping it simple can be the best option. Thank you for sharing this and for watching.
@@LizAmazing when you mentioned RV's being crammed full of luxuries, I could relate.
the bmw covered under warranty for 5 years, after that, the extended warranty was 2K per year. I thought it was ridiculous, being mostly experienced with Honda maintenance costs. Over the next 8 years, min maintenance was 2K/yr, with total maint. & repair about 30K. Resale value after 13 yr was about the same as a Honda Accord of the same model year.
We have been looking for a motorhome better than our 2005 Airstream Land Yacht 26 foot class A for the last 5 years. We've updated the interior to a very modern look that we like; cruises effortlessly and quietly at 70+ mph, has a bunch of outside storage but can park most everywhere at only 96" wide. Little things that need attention on a 19 year old rig are annoying but the cheap BS in even 300,000 dollar new class a's is very disappointing. We keep looking, cheers! BTW, Sprinter chassis is a no- go for us.
Just bought a brand new Keystone arcadia last year that had so many issues when I bought it. I was charged $1200 for PDI on a new camper and when I've picked it up, radio not working, solar not working, bedroom pullout was coming out crooked and so on ...................... too many issues to list. After 6 months of back and forth with the RV business, they finally fixed some of the problems. Like Liz mentioned in this video, get a certified person who will inspect your new or used RV before you buy.
Liz,
It doesn’t matter what the makeup of the RV workforce is. Quality control is a universal concept; it doesn't matter where your workforce is from. Quality begins with Management, pure and simple. Workers require a set of expectations, guidance, and follow-up.
The manufacturers must commit to producing a quality product. Surely, it can’t be the case that they are afraid of pricing too high for people to buy. Corporate greed has raised pricing to the moon. When quality becomes a driving force again, it comes down to accountability.
Remember when clothing came with a tag that stated the name of the worker who assembled the product? What a novel idea! With today’s technology, tracking which workers assemble the product at the various stages of the manufacturing line is easy. This will allow us to identify any problems and either retrain or rehire. Once the workforce understands they will be held accountable, quality will improve.
Finally, make a commitment to lower prices without sacrificing quality. The RV industry is quickly eliminating what used to be their base clientele by pricing them out of the market.
Larry from Texas
Your right. Poor managers and management.... will create poor quality.
Thanks for your smart and thoughtful comment, Larry!
I do appreciate you commenting on my comments. You are REALLY making a difference. That a good point about the car industry in the 70s That when Nissan and Toyota really sold like crazy because they were reliable. ( and US Auto were not ) You are becoming legendary Liz !!!
Awww, thanks Laura!!
Newly retired looking to get into camping scene. Thanks for your honesty and full disclosure.
Thank you for being here, and congratulation on your retirement!
Unpredictable fuel costs are the main reason *PERIOD*
So many reasons, so much needs to change. Thanks for watching
Liz thank you for explaining the good, the bad and the ugly within the Rv world.
It’s nice to see someone looking out for us little guys.
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Thanks so very much!!
Hi Liz, Good topic. Needed to be addressed for along time. Good job and keep those important videos coming. Maybe are patches will cross sometime.
Yep, thanks Brian. Have a great weekend!
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Very good video. You give great advice. My truck/camper needs a new truck. I checked out new trucks. They are grossly over priced and ugly. I decided that as soon as the weather gets warm, I will start fixing up my 1985 Chevy. I'll do a working truck restoration and save over $50,000. The RV industry is very bad now. The best tactic is to buy used. I car/camped in my old Chevy wagon in 1973. Still got lots of good memories from that one. Happy Travels. Good Luck, Rick
For me it was state parks overnight prices are as as hotels so I sold all my camping gear and rv and my wife and I hotel it less stressful ❤
Yep, it's not for everybody. Thanks for watching.
You sold all your camping gear and rv AND your wife...? And all that so you could have less stress at a hotel?!?!
lol @ grammar. That's why I like a copious use of commas.
We did RV stuff but gave up.... bought a year round cottage in the country on a beautiful lake.... love it
Never going back to an RV....
Glad you gave it a try, RV life is not for everyone. Enjoy lake life!
Liz, Thank you for your continued RV support videos!
You are so welcome, John, I am glad you are here!
Thank you for your videos. We have been looking into a trailer, but we are holding off or waiting to find a solid, older, trailer. All the best
I was considering an RV, but it's just too risky looking at your video and Lehto's Law's video on the crooked way manufactures handle warranty issues. I'll just do short trips in my van and buy a house in a low cost part of the country and fly around for vacation. Thank you for bringing this to light!
Sorry to hear that and I hope you'll reconsider. Not a good time to buy new, but trailers and fifth wheels built in 2018 and before tend to be well-built. The motorhome sweet spot is 2002 to 2008. Whatever you buy, join the Facebook group of the model to get the scoop from owners. And always get an inspection. Another advantage of buying used is the seller has typically gotten the kinks out. Thanks for watching. For more about what to buy used see my recent video: ua-cam.com/video/JSo5n2B62MA/v-deo.html
@@LizAmazing Many thanks for your response. That's good food for thought.
Very interesting turn. Lots at play here I think, sort of like the auto industry. My wife and I were thinking of upgrading to a "better" trailer after our kids moved out. we went and looked at a few supposedly highly rated trailers. What a shock for sure. I had heard there was an industry wide decline in quality but had no idea how bad it was. We looked at three different trailers and I spotted at least 6 issues with each one with just a casual walk through, not to mention very poor designs and just cheap feeling. We drove away both thinking our budget model trailer is actually nicer than what we looked at.... and paid off ha ha.
Yes! Paid off is good! Glad you didn’t buy a new one on a whim, but took your time and gave them a closer look. Thanks for your comment
Wow - keep up with the content. You certainly have opened an avenue for people sharing their experiences and suggestions for the industry. I agree with one of the comments made, have a lemon law for RV manufacturers - not just a one or two year warranty.
Thanks so much Rhonda, I so appreciate your support.
Great for people like you. Thank You for what you do. Thank You from my heart. You're doing what all other UA-camrs are not doing. Academy Awards to you
6:05 "supposably" lol
Love the videos! You are a valuable gem in this RV space. Seriously. ;-)
Ha! Yeah, I tripped over that word!!! lol. Thanks for being here!!!
Good for you! Stick with it!! Yes'm, an inspection is critical... NNTR
Thank you so much, glad to have you here. Have a great weekend!
Keep up the good work Liz.
Thanks, Jim! So glad you are here! Have a great weekend!
Not only the price of the units but the cost if fuel and the cost of these parks and their entrance fees . The current administration is completely against the RV industry as these vehicles tend to be gas guzzlers and in order to save gas you have to reduce weight and that means more plastic and aluminum and less wood and steel in these units. I had a lightweight nomad travel trailer and it was a rolling piece of crap that constantly was having issues. When they built it they didn't seal the vent tubes properly and water poured in and blowed out the flooring and cabinets in the bathroom area . I lost so much money and that was the end of my RVing days .
Well done Liz! You continue to adapt to the industry and appreciate the focus you are giving to quality and customer service within the RV industry.