Is the Halo TV Show on the Right Track? (Season 2 Episode 3 Review)
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- The first two episodes of season 2 of the Halo TV Show were a bit of a mixed bag. So is episode 3 an improvement? Well... Yes and no.
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0:00 Jimmy Rings returns
0:47 Episode 3 Recap
7:04 Final thoughts
#halo #halotvseries #halotheseries - Ігри
I just want chief to be the stoic hero that sets him apart from other action protagonists. The UNSC was not morally good in the lore but they were very competent, the show makes the audience feel the whole chain of command is summed up to the decision making of a few stupid people.
That's facts. Pair that with the fact that the UNSC actually did very well when it came to ground combat and really only lacked in Space Combat (Rightfully so with how out classed they are in tech) to the point that many Elite higher ups actually applauded the Humans for how incredible some of their strategies were. The UNSC act like children in the show, like they don't know what to do with their own tech or soldiers. The fact Chief can pretty much a go AWOL any time he wants and only ever get a "you did bad you silly goose, don't do it again" is ridiculous. Even if they were trying to give him more in depth emotion it feels like they just wrote him as a generic soldier and not THE BEACON OF HOPE FOR HUMANITY.
@@IRLJojo The UNSC largely failed in ground combat too once the Covenant realized humans were smarter than your average grunt. The moment the split-lips actually started trying, it was just about over. With some notable exceptions, the only times the UNSC really won ground engagements after the first few years of the war were either when they had a high numbers advantage (which basically never happened btw) or Spartans were involved.
Well said
Eh, Reach was an utter disaster. The UNSC was initially no match for the Covenant. Ackerson also mentions how people beyond him have made certain decisions and that the fate of Reach "wasn't in his hands."
As for Chief being the "stoic hero," we're getting more stoicism this season, and I expect there will be more, but I am enjoying Pablo as Chief and the direction they're taking his character this season. I don't want a totally silent killing machine. That's an overly-simplistic, power-trip fantasy.
Reply 5, logic's only allowed in one episode in every season of halo!
Laper Larden: the writing direction has stepped up...
Me: Where? In the Ramen?
I'm suddenly remembering Rizz's "suck big ass" line...
That whole scene was cringe dialogue. "I'm about to wear you like a wet sock"...what? No one likes wearing wet socks.
@@arcosiancosine1065 i love it when idiots like you expose yourselves for not actually watching the show. he says " I'm bout to wear you like a sock". but keep lying.
"Eat it!"
lol.
i would pay for p+ if they added a "skip kwan" button like the skip intro button
I literally fast forward through all of that garbage lol makes the episode like 20min long but it is what it is
I think she gets some redemption in Episode 3.
I still can't understand whoever thought that conflict between ONI and Spartans DURING the Covenant War could be an interesting plotline. We don't care, it just makes everything dull.
Imagine the first few episodes with the UNSC facing the invasion getting win after win thanks to Chief and his team, then we switch scene and the rest of the planet is basically already lost: the sense of dread would be palpable. Nope. Whiny kids on command that don't want to trust anybody while the enemy is literally at their doorstep.
Ackerson tried to kill Chief in the Fall of Reach. He doesn't like Spartan-II's and wants to greenlight and deploy his Spartan-IIIs ASAP.
The level of incompetence shown by the human characters in this show makes me wish the covenant would wipe the floor with the UNSC. If they stopped arguing between each other, maybe something would get done?
So basically, they act like real life humans ☠️
@@greenleafgreysockbeat me to it
Cause this show was written by people that don't understand halo and think its some generic sc-fi. one of the most common tropes of generic sc-fi is "le humans, BAD?" and thats what they have been pulling here.
I always viewed the state of the UNSC and humanity in Hall to be similar to the situation of allied forces during WW2. Everyone put their bias' aside and made it work because the other option was the destruction of life as they knew it. I am so tired of writers not understanding the reality of how a situation, like the extinction of the human race, would actually unite people as we see in the games. The political intrigue can be under the surface, but never in the spotlight as that is not what Halo is about.
Anyone else remember Space: Above and Beyond? Babylon 5? That's how military sci-fi should be written. I think the original creators of Halo borrowed a lot from these shows.
The portrayal of Ackerson is just like the books friend. Actor claims he read them and played all the games for the role, and is now a halo game fan.
The ONLY person on the entire project who read the books or played the games by the sound of it.
And it speaks volumes the way the character is portrayed properly
The actor of spartan Vanaak is a fan of the games too@@paihobbes8680
@@paihobbes8680Pablo played Infinite at some point before S2 finished filming.
@@fellowearthling1632 and we all know infinite has the best portrayal of chief during the fall of reach right?
oh wait
When reading the books I always envisioned the actor who played Roose Bolton from Game of Thrones but this actor playing him on the show is pretty good. Having said that, the writers still don’t seem to understand the characters.
Ackerson was petty and vindictive in the lore but he wouldn’t have sacrificed Reach the way his tv counterpart is doing.
9:05 good point, that's something I didn't even think of until you said it. I want them to convince us that there's a chance Reach won't fall. There needs to be some hopeful feel to it all, otherwise why fight?
Halo reach did this well. Even if you knew reach would fall the first half of the game gives you the slight hope you have a chance. sure the UNSC gets demoralized in reach aswell kat even asks "I know we are losing, I just want to know if we already lost" But that happens later into the game and despite that they still try their hardest to defend reach and to save everyone they can.
I think what they are setting up is Red Flag or some version of it but with Kai and Spartan III. There going to use Reach as bait or as a diversion to Steal a Covi ship load it with Spartan III and go to High Charity raise hell and kidnap the Leaders. We see a shot of spartan III in the trailer assaulting a corvette
General audience members don't know that the fall is inevitable.
I just love how everyone instinctively spams skip forward when it's a Kwan sequence
I did that and hope P+ tracks that data to take the hint. Also for any rubble scenes too.
@@diegobroad2851 they will not😂 if they didn't already understand from the first season they will never understand now...
I just want to know if she's changed her blood spattered clothes yet...she went through the entirety of Season 1 wearing her friends blood. Surely Sorenns wife would have given her a shower and clean clothes!?
I've seen other people talk before about the idea of developing the Covenant, I actually entirely disagree with that point.
It's worth remember that "Halo: Reach" did not have a Covenant POV. Neither did "Halo: CE." In those games the Covenant were a nearly faceless, indestructible meatgrinder. That's part of what made them terrifying. AND it's part of what made "Halo 2" so great. Is that we had already been presented one image of the Covenant and then that image is developed and we gain a completely new understanding from the POV of an elite just as the elites are about to become humanity's allies.
The games did it perfectly. These first two seasons should NOT have a covenant POV. The fall of Reach shouldn't have one. Any Halo: CE material shouldn't have one. The Covenant POV should only be introduced after all of that.
In fact, in my opinion, that's one of many reasons why having a human Covenant person sucked. Because it was way too early to go into that.
I really hope that all these pointless plotlines all converge on reach in some way, and then we move forward all together. One single linear plot line focusing solely on the human covenant war and no more jumps to the rubble.
Also, I would have loved if we saw Cobalt team being ambushed by the covenant and trying to survive. Even if it was a 3 minute action sequence as a flashback or something. But nope. And give us more cortana!
I think that's what they're moving towards, thankfully. Would be good to have everyone teaming up to defend Reach.
To play Devil’s Advocate, Ackerson (in the main timeline) tried to actively kill Chief during his Cortana-Spartan integration test.
His main motives were his grudge against Halsey and how her Spartan program took funds away from Ackerson’s own projects. That is also why he proposed the Spartan-III program which piggybacked of Halsey’s work
Also in the lore, Parangosky and Vice Admiral Stanforth were having a conversation about Reach, with ONI seemingly knowing it would only be a matter of weeks after the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV that Reach would fall under attacked, and when it happened, to use Reach as bait for Operation: Red Flag, ultimately sentencing Reach to fall.
While I’m not the biggest fan of the show, actually far from it, but these narrative changes in Season 2 do seem to partly fall in line with it’s source material, while also changing it, for better or worse
Did you notice the one tone,/ note that was played through the entire episode,?, it was that single thump and steady pace that was annoyance for the pirates that Quan did, but it was also play throughout the rest of the entire episode giving it a creepy and eerie feeling?
I thought that motif was brilliant.
There is zero promise. They literally said they dont want to make a halo tv show and “create something new and modern”
That was the production team from season 1.
Er wrong and we still have cw halo season 2. The interviews Pablo has given have proven they still don’t get halo. And still no one on team has played the games yet “its getting better” “I’m hopeful” i get people want it to be good but they give us a nice theme one or 2 good looking shots and people say “its getting better” no its not, not until they actually adapt the source material get some competent writers.
@Halo4lyf Don’t kid yourself. These morons surrounded themselves with like-minded individuals. You bet your ass the production is still filled with Halo-hating idiots. Even the main actor wasn’t a fan of the games.
He’s on my blacklist now lmao. Taking the helmet off because he wants his face to be seen has made him box office poison.
Guess 'multiverse' will be a thing in the show
The main issue I have currently is that the covenant and the unsc don’t even feel really because you see them so infrequently. I don’t get the impression that this is a genocidal war against the covenant. It feels like a distant threat. Even though they’re on reach, no one treats it like it’s a real problem. Hopefully that changes next week.
The threat is distant...until it isn't.
@@hoos3014 I don’t mean distant in terms of how far away the threat is. What I meant was that no one seems to be taking it as seriously as they should.
@@zackwerth77 People respond in strange ways in the face of impending threats. Very recent history tells us that.
The show version of Reach is basically saying, we've already moved our strategic assets out of here. Of course, we know from the trailers that a residual force is going to make a stand, starting next episode.
@@hoos3014 I just think it’s annoying that Chief says the covenant is on reach, and everyone just dances around the issue. It’s very aggravating that no one trusts each other.
@@zackwerth77 No one trusting each other seems like the most accurate part.
The side stories are total crap. Pablo is doing a great job with what little he has to work with. The worst part is ONI trying to cover up the Covenant presence on Reach, including its own commanders and those actually fighting the enemy. Informing the commanders would allow them to set up defensible positions with turrets and motion trackers, recalling troops on leave, preparing MAC cannons, and basically not having our troops wearing only their pajamas when the enemy attacks, ... duh. If your not going to defend your largest and most valuable military outpost (huh?) wouldn't any competent military at least try to prepare for a fight, begin evacuating its major assets, as well as the civilians they are charged with protecting? Making sure the enemy pays dearly for this planet? Nah.... just give the enemy the element of surprise, kill all our soldiers and civilians, destroy our military assets and ships as well as the shipyards, and make absolutely sure we are not prepared in any way. Make sure to only evacuate high ranking ONI and USNC personnel. Make sure not to destroy high value intel, as well as the location of Earth and all its colonies. WTF? And all this because an experimental AI says we will lose? There is no strategic advantage to not preparing. Does military intelligence make mistakes? Absolutely. But they are called intelligence for a reason, they are not idiots. These writers are terrible. Sadly this story is absolute hot garbage. These writers have no clue how the military actually manages a war, nor do they have a shred of common sense. Apparently these writers "took the short bus" to school, and without a doubt never "served" a day in their lives. In the game, as well as the stories Reach put up a valiant fight and were not totally caught with their pants down. Not even 343 Industries could make a story this bad, and I am shocked Steven Spielberg would allow his name to be associated with this train wreck.
I laughed harder than I should have at the Step Up 3D joke lol
I really agree with you on the whole “Reach is going to fall no matter what we do”. The UNSCs whole motto is basically hope. If in episode 4 we don’t get glimpses of hope, then it would’ve been a massive missed opportunity
"UNSC whole motto is basically hope" Imagine unironically falling for propaganda.
@@reddishcarp1237 that’s literally not only the UNSC motto, that’s Halo 3s tagline, that’s Infinite’s tagline, thats reach’s tagline, that’s just Humanity’s tagline in Halo. You think humanity would’ve won the war if it wasn’t for hope and the elites? If they stopped fighting, we’d all be speaking flood.
im calling it now
when we get to halo
no flood
at all
not even a reference or a cameo
i am willing to bet that the flood will be entirely cut from the show all together
To give Ackerson in the show some credit, in canon lore, he literally tries to have Chief killed in a training accident during the fall of Reach.
5:05 No, Keyes' F-bomb is the second. The first was in season 1 when Kai was doing the weird weight lifting thing with all the other people cheering her on. Some girl was sitting on the stuff Kai was lifting and screamed "F--- YEAH!"
So not the first, but second. And both have come from the TV show.
My biggest problem with the series is that Chief is so unlikable, he just comes off as a douche most of the time.
He shouldn't have time for a haircut and a social life! lol
Yep, he acts like a total manchild. Chief is supposed to be someone you trust, someone you'd want to follow into battle, someone who inspires hope. Jimmy Rings...I wouldn't trust him with a simple task like not banging a prisoner of war
Anderson: YOU TOOK MY SISTER FROM ME!
Halsey: Womp Womp
It’s insane how the producers and actors don’t understand that chief is a ‘mostly a 2D character and that he stays a constant while the supporting characters are 3D who go through arcs and you can show emotion through those characters. I’m still fine with making MC a 3D but this has been terribly done
I always viewed the state of the UNSC and humanity in Hall to be similar to the situation of allied forces during WW2. Everyone put their bias' aside and made it work because the other option was the destruction of life as they knew it. I am so tired of writers not understanding the reality of how a situation, like the extinction of the human race, would actually unite people as we see in the games. The political intrigue can be under the surface, but never in the spotlight as that is not what Halo is about.
I assume you mean the British at the beginning of WW2 when we were the only country left in Europe to oppose the Nazis? When we were basically praying for the US to step up instead of dragging their feet. A lot of people in the UK were ready to surrender. Churchill was very worried at the time "Our darkest hour"
@@antonycharnock2993 Yes, but not limited to the British. At that point in the war, the Brits had their backs against the wall so that would definitely be included. Overall there were many smaller European nations who got steam rolled and after the big three came together they still struggled. My point is that they came together when the fate of the world was at risk despite their many differences. There were dramatic differences between the leadership for the British, U.S. and Russian Red Army, and furthermore, differences in leadership within each of those nations. An easy one would be Patton for the U.S. who hated the Russians and was also constantly in trouble with his own command, yet they made it work because of the greater threat.
Lol, I hope this makes sense, I just think in the Halo Universe this should be how humanity is portrayed. If they wanted to show more of the rebels, it should be long before this point in the timeline when numerous worlds have already been glassed. I enjoyed the portions of the books that covered the rebels, so I am not against that in general, but want it to have proper context. (sorry if this is a long winded reply, Halo does that to me 😂 )
Thank you! Felt like I was watching a different episode than everyone else. 5/10 for me. Yes the writing is getting better, but it should’ve been good to begin with. And wayyyyy too much time focused on supporting characters. I visibly sighed when the Cobalt search ended and we go to the Rubble storyline. Can’t get more than 5 minutes with suited up Spartans. Ridiculous.
It's so funny, cuz this last week I've been listening to "The Fall of Reach" on Spotify for the first time, and in so many ways it makes appreciate some things about the show a bit more, but also makes me dislike things about the show quite a bit more. The biggest thing being its characterization. In the show, Halsey is a manipulative, gaslighting sociopath of a mad scientist and Chief is a severely emotionally unstable time bomb; Meanwhile, in the TFoR book, Halsey can still be fairly manipulative, she clearly has a heart and, while it may be necessary for Humanity's survival, she does feel a level of guilt and sadness for what she's done to the S-II's, while Chief has come to terms with his lot in life and is choosing to make lemonade out of lemons while not having sexual relations with PoWs! 😆
This is not chief. This how i expect doom guy to act. ALSO WHY DO THE F BOMB IN THR FUCKING HALO FRANCHISE
"SHEER FUCKING HUBRIS!"
What I don't understand is how the covenant fleet is getting onto these planets without being detected at all...
So in lore, they sent a small recon team that jammed communications and sensor, then they set up the spires Wich in turn used as occultation devices to hide the supercarrier, that bough time and tried to deploy troops to destroy the Mac guns generators, for the fleet arrival
@@eliavita makes sense to me.
@@Aether-Entropythis is just for reach tho, cause it was well defended, and also had forerunner artifacts on it so the covenant had a reason to invade it, like harvest or arcadia, but usually if there wasn't the need to invade, they just arrived with massive fleets, destroy human defense fleets and just glass the planet from orbit/atmosphere
It is potentially on the right tracks to show a good fall of reach but ackerson like you mentioned really is ruining it. Feel this show really could have done with a pre-screening to actual halo fans to get rid of all the shit and make it decent
If it wasn’t named Halo I wouldn’t have made it to episode 2 of season 1.
my only issue is, that if this was not about the chief it would be fine, but it is, so it is not!
On the right track towards cancellation? Sure is!
I think the time spent on Kwan could have been better spent on developing a Sgt Johnson character.
I also think the Julia clone had memories because all the flash clones did - they neded the memories for their families, the originals who became Spartans did not.
loved the elite cuss blur lol
Why would the show make sidelining chief more important than Covenant on Reach. The priority and threat lvl in the show is just plain goofy
Ackerson Is getting dirt into the Spartans II because he needs to make room for Spartans III his own creation!
Love the starship troopers refrence :)
"We'll fight! And we'll win!"
i like how the Reach arguement is about characters having some hope and keep fighting
As if Keyes and everyone else also went with Ackerson leaving the planet behind
Halo S2 E3 was good after I said I was gonna stop watching after E2 which was horrible. I only came back for Cristina Rodlo. It was as if the creators flipped the switch from bad to good. I got the chills when Perez was translating the Covenant prayer. One of the best scenes ever, in anything.
I agree with everything you said. This Show feels like a sci-fi human drama with a little bit of Aliens mixed in
Also, what Halo 2 mod is that? Can't be H2 Uncut 'cuz the Shields look different.
It's kind of funny, I don't think they've called it reach city yet? I was hoping that they'd rename it back to new alexanderia. Also I think Julia is a hologram, but maybe I'm wrong.
Bring Johnson back! lol
They just added legendary firefight 🎉
I could be wrong but to me at least the whole "plan in place" thing and the already lost idea works fine because I'm under the assumption that they're talking about red flag which was a plan in the main lore where oni was going to use reach as bait to capture a covenant ship to go to high charity. That's just my assumption tho I could be wrong.
Oooo I’m super early!! Hi LL!
Morning!
Tbh everytime kwan or the rubble popped up I just simply skipped it makes for a better experience
I'm enjoying the Pablo Schreiber Show but wish it stopped using Halo as a skin suit.
"I don't need a friend. I need a Spartan." Don't we all😅
How much money was spent to make this garbage?
The people saying the show is getting better are the same rubes who think Infinite is getting better. Marks, easy money.
If you liked season 1, you will love season 2. If you were hoping they were gonna soft reboot the show and drop or retcon the problems from season 1, I got bad news for you.
They literally didn't retcon or drop a single plot point or character. Not a single one. In fact it's worse than season 1 because at least in the first season we thought Makee was dead. Nope she's back and dumber than ever.
You want to know how little the writers think of their audience? Guess how they try fixing the worst character in tv show history, Kwan?
They turn her into a ninja now. The writers think we're 8 year olds and the way to make us like a character is to make her a "badass". This is how children think.
they fixed nothing and double down on the bad plotline.ti slow torture at this point
Its gonna be really funny when this show is cancelled at the end of this season. It'd be even more funny if it actually starts getting good and gets canceled anyway.
Just like Infinite's multi-player story (๑•̀ㅂ•́)و✧
If they Sarah Connor Chronicles this shit, and cancel it as it starts getting good or we arrive at Halo Installation 04, it'll be bitter sweet indeed.
Halo is about Honor and sacrifice and bravery But in this TV show There is no honor only Gays Spartan and nudes .
The unwaivering determination of the human race against an unstoppable threat or five guys quietly stepping out of the backdoor while the house is about to be burned down. Hope this show goes down the first route.
This whole episode was just a complete waste of time. I can't think of a single interesting or memorable thing that happened in it; like i say, such a waste.
I think Ackerson is listening to Cortana thats why he already thinks it is lost. I didn't know reach will fall but you are right that the already defeatist attitude is strange. I thought it was strange because there wasn't any information on the threat they were facing in terms of numbers, weapons, technology,etc. So how could they determine they were going to lose?
We need a "Don't tell me the odds!" attitude.
It's like a sci-fi soap so far! With shitty woke! I want action! I wanna see Master Chief and the rest of the Spartans kicking alien ass! No emotions, just total bad ass determination to save humanity! No pussy woke, thanks!!
One word: Budget.
All i know is they need to phase out kwan ha. Cant stand her, basically ruined season 1 for me. "Oh the covenant just massacred my friends and family at our outpost? Who cares we need to rebuild the rebellion against the unsc" like bro that was so annoying to me. Youre facing an existential threat and all you care about is continuing a guerilla war against the only thing capable of stopping the covenant. And we better not go 2 full seasons without anyone actually stepping foot on the ring. The fall of reach should be 2 episodes and the last 3 episodes better be on the ring or im gonna lose it.
None of the characters are likeable, poor dialogue, generic plot, questionable CGI and this is one of the most expensive shows in history...
Slow😮 blinding
I think the change with the clones not having memories prior but having them now is tied to the fact that he’s building the Spartan III’s. He’s changing the cloning process so they have memories, you train them once and then you can make them again. and they can be more honest with them (the premise of the threes was that they were “volunteers”) and therefore they WANT to be a part of it instead of forced, like his sister.
Now this episode listen Bad on sleep. It was o k but it wasn't bad near the end it was good
I had a decent time with this episode.
I think once you watch it as a Sci fi show with Halo references, it gets a lil easier to enjoy
Somebody must’ve complained that season 1 didn’t have any LGBTQ.
If all of this, is some kind of prequel to an episode where Master Chief is waking up to a busted ship where he's gonna have to fight through his invaded ship. . . . I'll forgive and watch religiously
😮 Epic fail
Ackerson's sister's clone could have been programed to have whatever memories he wanted her to have.
On the "lack" of hope: Watch the trailers. The hope and defiance from humanity are coming. Next episode in fact. Be patient and let the story play out.
I was referring to the chat Halsey had with him about the real Julia, not the clone. She mentions that Julia missed James very much and retained memories of her former life after being enlisted into the Spartan program. Maybe the Spartans don't get their memories wiped till later in life? But it just seemed like a strange comment to make after it was clearly established in Season 1 that all the Spartans didn't know they were taken from their families and kidnapped.
I think Halsey was trying to get into Ackerson's head. Halsey wasn't going to let Ackerson have the last laugh, so she made up a story to do just that. His sister probably NEVER told her any of that. She is just as twisted as he is.
And in the main cannon, Ackerson tried to get Chief killed with Cortana.
Tbh i like it. The main issues are from season 1 and Chief having his helmet off, but they handle it a lot better too.
Chief is being put in a place where he can't wear his armour. And it makes the upcoming fights more tense since we see him having to fight covvies with no armor in the trailer
I wanted to give your review a shot, but as soon as I hear that juvenile mockery, "Jimmy Rings" or "John Halo," I'm out.
There's a mature, legit way to criticize a production. That ain't it, Chief.
In any case, as a longtime Halo fan, I generally enjoyed Season 1 - even though I had major complaints - but am genuinely enthused about/excited for Season 2.
I know folks hate Kwan/the Rubble and so on, but I thought Episode 3 was pretty darn strong.
I know some folks won't give the show a chance or meet it on its own terms, and I think they will be missing out this season.
🤡🤡
This show is doing a really REALLY bad job at making Ackerman seem smart or sympathetic. He wasted time, effort, and manpower on putting out a fake bounty for an old escaped Spartan just to bring him to the planet that HE KNOWS IS DOOMED. And then he trys to act like he's sympathetic and is just making the hard decisions, but has been ACTIVELY AND REGULARLY CLONING his dead sister only to program her to die if asked to many questions. The man is a pychopath.
It sucks!
Me personally, I'm enjoying this season definitely
Every 2 shows or so have different writers.. if you didn’t know.
regardless of halo, this show is complete garbage.
This show is woke trash pretending to be halo
I'm just ready for this to be cancelled already. From a writing and creative perspective from someone who works in the industry, this show is absolutely awful. There's even just basic continuity errors from scene to scene.
What weed are you smoking? This show is god awful