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Drinker, I just wanna say, you always agree with everything I believe about something and you are the one to get it out there. With every video, you become more and more of my favorite UA-camr.
Look, tom is ham, i know. And normally id agree with you very realistically cynical rundowns. But this is literally the best thing marvel has done since iron man 1, be realistic.
thing i hate the most about the marvel films with loki and thor is that their asgaudian ability such as super strength and endurance seem to come and go depending on the plot
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sif from Thor and Agents of Shield Two clashing personality types Two characters with room to grow Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sif So much potential for Sif - she should have had a bigger role
TVA is just a bunch of incompetent workers. I hardly believe they can prune any stronger being if they can easily cucked by weakest god in Norse mythology
@@explunky if this comment is a joke then I analogise for my obtuseness, however the tva has apparently been a thing for god knows how long and has dealt with (though this may be giving marvel too much credit) infinite possibilities. There’s no way they couldn’t deal with a child. Also, what with the amount of Lokis you’d think they’d learn how to counter them
But he tries. The trick is he's dealing with people that know his entire timeline. It's hard to trick people who know what you are going to do and how you are going to do it because they have access to your entire evolution across time and who can nullify certain aspects of your powers. Other context is that while he tries to trick, he's very much without his normal swagger because he's in a situation he really has never been in. So to me this came off well: someone who tries to revert to character but constantly gets stymied because he can't rely on his usual tricks.
@@ammo7204 Well, rather than resort to childish statements, what we can do is put on our mature hats and act like art can have differing interpretations by people. This way people can disagree but still actually discuss things. I can entirely see some of the flaws that people mention about Loki as the series developed; but I can also see ways to frame those flaws as at least narrative elements that can make sense given the context. It's up to each person if that makes sense to them or not.
@@JeffNyman Incels- We don't do that here (Crying Child Voice) Everything is woke aahh there putting a women in there aaa what loki is bisexual(which he was in comics too)ahh black guy becomes the Captain America(which he did in the comics too) Female Thor ahh (Which is in the comics too). I mean nobody really gives a shit about these small percentage of crybabies look at the fandom and trailers majority of the people are liking it and discussing the possibilities.
I actually enjoyed the show. However I found it odd that the bad guy in the citadel was a scientist who discovered the multiverse and this somehow meant he was also immortal, could control time and control the beast which could consume all matter, he kind of breezed over how this power was all possible simply because he discovered other universes
I mean he literally was experimenting with time and he was kinda immortal because he found his place right in the end of time which is basically a place where time works very differently and he even said that he is older than he looks so yeah and his evil versions are coming so Im looking forward to it
Well i just took it that this citadel time moves just like the tva. Plus he’s supposed to be Kang and I enjoyed this variant rather than some old man to bore me to death
Loki in the Avengers held his own in a fight with Steve Rogers, Iron Man, and got slammed by the Hulk and lived. Loki in his own TV show got his ass kicked by literally everyone.
That’s mostly because of the fight choreography. The story is written in a way that Loki is supposed to be outmatched. That he’s in an unfamiliar environment that’s beyond his understanding. So, he’s awkwardly trying to figure everything out like a toddler starting his first day of school. Which is okay, but the fight choreographer and director (s) just don’t understand his powers. The abilities and strengths of each character are not fleshed out. So, there isn’t any tension or conflict within the fight sequences. For instance, how does the head of the TVA, who use to just be a high school principal, able to fight and take down a half Asgardian Frost Giant? 🤷 It’s a cool idea on paper. Unfortunately, it’s awkwardly executed on screen.
@@BDLabs2 I'm going to have to disagree with you on the premise that it's ok to take a famous and loved Villain, hype up his own TV show, and then reduce him to the state of a toddler. No one puts up with that in anything else look at say DBGT that went so poorly they retconed the entire universe and made the character a God instead of a child, here they took a God and made him a kid....
I love how multiverse of madness decided to play a moral high ground on doctor strange made a horrifically difficult decision to save half the universe, while Wanda got little to no pushback on the fact she selfishly manipulated a town of people and scarred them all for life just because she couldn't handle reality
@@jeffmccool5690 except she does when she steps out of the hex and tells the soldiers or government whoever that she wants them to stay away, so she was definitely conscious
Well it's a response to extreme grief. It's not right in any way, but it has a reason. She couldn't handle reality, no, but she was in extreme pain after having to kill Vision and then watching him die. And not even having a body to bury afterwards. I'd be pretty sad and not wanting to accept reality after that either to be honest.
@@cyanide167 She didn't know that she was holding them hostage. When she first arrived, the town was very depressed. She thought she made everything better.
@@daniellim4649 She did know. “You’ve taken an entire town hostage!” “I’m not the one with the guns, Drechter.” Also, taking away someone’s free will = making them happier. lol what?
Isn’t Loki, first and foremost, a Trickster god? That should automatically mean he’s clever, not confused and fumbling-unless it’s an act that’s part of a confidence trick.
Nope. Not even a trick. A lot of people thought Loki faked breaking the time device just to get to know more about Sylvie, but in fact he did actually break it. Loki is a sidekick in his own show.
Dr. Strange: I saw over 14 million realities of the coming fight against Thanos Tony Stark: How many do we win? Dr. Strange: All of them. We win 1 naturally and the other 14 million some TVA people come in and erase Thanos and reset the timeline until we win.
The MCU is a sloppy, sloppy, sloppy mess. It's hard enough to maintain a consistent universe & story when it's just one writer in charge of everything. Imagine how chaotic the MCU has to be behind the scenes with dozens of different directors, writers and mandates from the higher-ups.
@@Nothingness4907 Well, they're supposed to be. But thanks to Loki, they are now all actualized. But then again, Endgame set up multiple universes, so maybe it screwed itself.
This. He is like a few hundreds years old, but still acts like a generic 20 years old clown. Not to menshion he is a trickster god and should be smart and cold AF. But this is more like stupid emo-boy.
I noticed that to, but it only served to establish that the TVA (and the situation) is waaay out of Loki's league... I bought it. It created stakes, and tension. I'm good with it.
That because they’re brothers, it’s pretty much a guarantee that their fights would go down like a choreographed dance Loki was never much of a physical fighter, it makes sense that he gets his ass handed to him by trained soldiers
@@Goblinhandler Loki is a literal god who's been raised in a warrior culture on steroids. "Never much of a physical fighter" are you kidding me? Go watch Thor TDW again, look how many dark elves he took down at once. Go watch Thor 1- Thor wouldn't have been able to overpower Loki if he hadn't pinned him down with his hammer. Go watch Avengers 1- Loki beat ALL the Avengers' asses even after being tortured by Thanos for a year and clearly not being at 100% energy or strength. The writers of the show are incompetent and ignorant.
My two problems with the show: 1) they removed all of Loki's agency, and 2) most of the time it looked like a video game level that had been scripted on rails.
You ain’t wrong about the scripted on rails thing, apparently Sylvie’s entire character was just made up as they wrote the episodes. I can not make this up even if I wanted to.
Exactly how I felt. Loki was my favorite character with unique character traits, and by far the most entertaining with his tricks. Now he's a nobody with no unique traits, and the most boring.
Well since there are different loki variants, the show is about them and doesn't have to focus on the loki we know and love. Not my thinking or opinion. But this is basically what i was being told when i expressed how sorry and sad Loki is.
@@Akshaytyagixin Loki was a Frost Giant who was abandoned by his father, when Odin found him he used his powers to change his appearance and raised him alongside Thor as his son.
This could have been really good, like a marvel version of doctor who with an anti hero. Imagine this for a moment, Loki finds the other Loki in the mega store, but when the hood goes down it's Chris Hemsworth's Thor "It's not about you...brother". He's from an alternate time line where Thor is the bad adopted son and Loki is the good son. That would have been jaw dropping and open the door to great dialog and possibilities.
Loki is NOT “half Asgardian” though . . . He’s born completely of the Ice Giants . . . Odin adopted him., He can still fight THOR though so it’s much MUCH stronger than they allowed here.
Drinker is a bit off the rails on this one, a lot of his complaints seem either straight up misinformed or completely uninformed at all. I didn't get the feeling that the writers dislike the property at all, and seem to have lovingly crafted this, yet he seems to think they hate Loki altogether. Very strange considering most of Drinker's shit is relatively rational. Also there is a lot of forced diversity shit nowadays, but at no point did it seem that way with Renslayer, at all. The whole "loki is really strong how did he get his ass kicked at the beginning part is really stupid too because they caught him off guard and used basically time magic to slow him and get the collar on so his powers and shit didn't work anymore. I really do respect Drinker's opinions on a lot of stuff, but he is so far off base here and I cannot fathom why beyond he just doesn't like MCU stuff and he doesn't diversity in any form. Both of which do not seem accurate but what other conclusion can be drawn from this take?
Worst thing Marvel did from the beginning was bastardize Norse mythology in order to pander to a simple minded audience. Then Disney turned up the dial to make it worse.
@@CridgetMan1234 only point of watching the critical drinker is for the laughs. I don't know how you can take his critiquing seriously. If the plot involves women or people of color it fucking sucks, really that simple lol.
@@CridgetMan1234 - If they "lovingly crafted" it, they would have watched every movie with Loki, which it seems like they didn't. Geez, at least Avengers and Thor. Build from there. They nerfed him, made him weepy and threw away any bit of cunning the character had. They may have "lovingly crafted" their story, but their story had nothing to do with the MCU Avengers villain Loki, other than Tom Hiddleston played the role.
To be fair Loki in the title could mean any of the variants in the show not just Tom Hiddleston Loki. Hell Tom played more than one version of the character in the show alone
@@rhetiq9989 Then that is deceptive as they obviously know that Marvel and Loki fans were looking for Avengers 1 Loki, not variants that were never hinted at before the show in the MCU.
This could have been so much more interesting if the lokis' roles were reversed. Have the original Loki be on the run, and include a few conflicts with the other Loki before her big reveal. Have a scene where Loki is thinking about how he is being tracked down so fast and realising the only person who could do this is himself.
Yeah, that would've been more in line with the post-Avengers 1 Loki and I could even see the female Loki working for the TVA and not even realize she's a variant, just like all the other variants working there. *That* is a Sylvie I could really see wanting to kill the person on top after she finds out the truth.
The bit that bothered me the most was the inconsistency in Loki's strengths and feats. The way he levitated that falling building and struggles against randos after being too much for Cap to handle in 2012.
Following that train of thought how tf does the TVA handle a varient Thanos, Ronan, Hella or Hulk? Hell even Tony Stark without armor seems like he could outsmart them. They needed to have reprogrammed heros and villain varients so the villains actually seem capable. Also Lokis magic and infinity stones don't work but Odins magic saving the makeup department having to make him blue every time he's in no magic zone still functions.
The beginning to Loki was just terrible character development. It was almost like they wrote him as the Loki from Thor: Ragnarok, but this was supposed to be 2012. He was supposed to be the exact same Loki from the first Avengers movie - you know, the one who was willing to kill a random old man who stood up to him and the one who was able to catch Hawkeye's arrow while speeding through the air and not even looking in its direction. The first scene with Loki and Sylvie would've been so much better if Loki was wicked and violent like he used to be. With all three shows, I liked the idea of them, but the execution was not good at all.
I haven't watched this show yet, but I was thinking along the same lines. Loki really developed and grew as a character throughout the Thor movies. I thought the tv Loki was going to be just as clever and charismatic, but also cunning and somewhat ruthless like the 2012 Loki. I thought the plots and events of the tv show, whatever they might be, would help him to go through similar changes - developing his character to become more compassionate, but still keeping his charisma and cunning. However, there seems to be a complete lack of consistency in the character. Kinda makes me not want to watch the tv show. Too bad! :(
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Yeah, the show became a chore for me, but it had some really good moments too. If you want to watch any of the future Marvel movies, you'll have to watch Loki because there are things that happen that are really important to know. You can watch it just for Owen Wilson cause he's great.
@@klc7275 - Thanks! I didn't realize that aspects of the show would be incorporated into the movies, but I guess that makes sense from a financial point of view! I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and subscribe to Disney+ for a month or two. Also want to watch Hamilton, so I don't really mind! :)
Sylvie says "he (mobius) cares about you". here, she actually conveyed that she cares about loki, but doesnt doesnt doesnt reveal it to him.. but loki understands this, and conjures a blanket for both in a romantic way with the excuse that its cold
Anyone remember the movie Loki that had the frigging Hulk smash him around and into a floor and survived, compared to this Loki that gets knocked out from body positive fisticuffs?
He grabbed a dude and removed his eyeball in Avengers, he stabbed Phil Coulson dead, but he screams in the Time court when some random tool gets disintegrated.
Something about the trauma of getting smashed that put two of the most awesome characters (Loki and Hulk) on the shelf. Really, really bad idea. The fact that Hulk never got a rematch with Thanos and this castrated Loki means Marvel doesn't understand their audience anymore.
@@yankee1376 maybe because those were basic ass humans and he was above them compared to a whole a organization that can disintegrate you in a matter of seconds🗿
The TVA and their tech was something that i just couldn't buy, throughout the whole season. Like, the ONLY weapons they ever seem to possess were those shock batons, and i always wondered: If theyre already having such a hard time restraining two average people and a CHILD, now how the hell would they be able to capture, say, a Thanos? A Captain America Variant? Yes, apparently all magic or supernatural / superhuman powers don't work in TVA realm, but even then, how would they handle a 8ft tall giant in combat, or a regular human in peak physical condition with expert training in Martial Arts? How would they handle , say, a Winter Soldier Variant? Or , as it was once shown very briefly, a Hulk(-ish) Variant of Loki?
Answer this, did you occur to watch the show?or a you pulling stuff out of that small peanut sized thing in your head you call a brain. Loki was the central character of the show from top to bottom; his character was indeed the main focus and 99.999 percent of the time the camera was positioned to the character, Loki is actually one of the only marvel series I've watched that doesn't take that much camera time of that main character, and the whole plot centers around the main character in a beautiful and marvelous storytelling. So this it is not not WTF! Marvel is misusing Loki, it's instead WTF! Marvel execuianted the character of Loki So maybe your peanut sized brain can comprehend this, Marvel used Loki beautiful and in no way shape or form reduced his character but elevated him from a Villain to a Hero that as saved the universe and multiverse spacetime continuum 🎤🎤🎤
Lol at the end of season 2 he isn't just a side character to Silvia but the entire multiverse 😂 Everytime someone takes a dump in an alternative reality, loki is the one flushing
I remember while watching the films I'd never know what Loki had in mind, I always wondered "is he really helping them or is he playing a part?" and it was exciting in some matter. Not once during the series I ever thought of him playing a double's game.
I think the point of the series is that, the TBA shows him how he ultimately fails in life, which creates a catalyst for his change, but he ends up pairing up with his female counter part, who IS in fact playing the double's game. You have to remember, this version of Loki isn't our original Loki to begin with. But I do agree, some of his temperament is inconsistent because someone above mentioned that -this- version of Loki, is the one that escaped during their trip to the past to the first avengers, so he should have been much more blood thirsty and cunning.
@@thanosnoctem4473 Because if you stay in line with how your character is supposed to act, then it becomes boring...? Kind of like how Luke Skywalker or Obi-Wan Kenobi got completely butchered by new writers.
@@Count_Virgil What do you mean this version of Loki isn't our original Loki?? You do realise that Thor 1 and Avengers still took place right? So he is infact our original Loki from Thor 1 and Avengers. They just used that shitty PowerPoint presentation to downgrade his character so that Sylvie takes the lead in the show.
Loki is supposed to weigh like 900 pounds , I hate how easily people and things knock him around it kills me because he shook off a spinning kick to the face from freaking captain America. Cap even says this guy can take a hit
Actually, in the comics, Loki weighs just under 500 lbs. Still, your conclusion is correct. Cap's exact quote: "This guy packs a wallop." In this series, he comes off as just a decently trained regular guy. Lazy writing. Just lazy. Too lazy to come up with a valid explanation for the ease of his capture by the TVA goons.
I hated Sylvie the moment I saw that she was the " female Loki". Because first, I've seen female Loki cosplay by fans that were ten thousands times better. And two, I've felt since then ( and the show haven't even aired yet) that she was going to be a recurring character while I was watching only to see Loki. OUR LOKI
essientaly now she's going to be the replacement for Loki in the main timeline, so get ready for another Captain Marvel. Also we are supposed to get a female Thor, female Iron Man, female Hawkeye, extra-female Black Widow, and a female hulk that supposed be some fat black lesbian chick.
Sylvie could've worked if they respected her, Loki and the audience and made her Enchantress, instead of "Female Loki" which if you think about it is really sexist of the writers. She's a character that already exists and from what I rember basically she has the same powers Loki has, she just has different goals, my point being she isn't Loki, but this show doesn't respect her enough to do that. Same goes for She-Hulk, if that's who she's suppose to be. I remember her from the "Hulk" 90s cartoon. She was Bruce's cousin and feminine, so why ruin literally a strong female character to make a token minority, it's just more nonsense.
@@fuckknowledge even without powers he can fight thor survive against the hulk bitch slap Tony gold Steve Roger's react to arrows that are far away survive bombs but yet he isnt able to take one hit from a baton?
@@TSH425 You know, thinking about it after seeing black widow fall from bridges and get blown up without damage, maybe in the mcu everyone is just basically indestructible by default.
The thing that annoys me is that those time cops are just humans, they had a life on Earth before the TVA. Explain to me how Loki was captured by them when he was overpowering Captain America, and man handling Thor by his own. What if there’s a variant of Thanos or Dr Strange or some other powerful being? How would they capture those?
In the first Avengers movie, Captain America had his hands full with fighting Loki until reinforcements came. And now he can' t fight three normal humans with shock batons?
Don’t forget that every woman storm trooper fought only men and threw them around and Lady Loki only fought men storm troopers killing every one of them. Oh yeah and didn’t take the first punch too.
@@houselemuellan8756 when it happens multiple times in a row, you know, like a pattern, you begin to notice it. By the end of the show it did become difficult to _not_ notice it.
Was there more then one named hunter tough? I'd just boil that down to her being a named character in a marvel show so of course she wins against grunts.
Yeah, pretty disappointed with that one. It felt so forced and unorganic, like they were explaining it solely because they had to explain it, not because it made sense in universe. Really annoyed by the Miss Minutes part, felt a bit unnecessary considering what we got next was another helping of exposition, so they should have just removed the talking clock.
@@cyberleaderandy1 i think it's more because the series is just setting up some MCU shit later on which i really don't like. can't they just make the series stand on its own instead of explaining the next MCU bad guy in it with a PowerPoint
@Kryptoskillet so even though he basically smiled at people dying and because he saw his mother being killed by thanos it makes him good...? he saw his mother die in the second thor movie which didn't make him good dying doesn't make him good either it just means he would want to alter the timeline to change that.
@@thephoenix4093 1. The mind stone was affecting him throughout Avengers. 2. He recognized that he was dealing with a much bigger power that knew him from the inside out, his history, and his future. Not hard to think about why he would concede so easily
@@tatremy not the avengers the Thor movie Loki literally smiled at Jane foster almost dying and sent the armor to kill innocent people and his own brother when he had no powers he is EVIL that's the point of the redemption arc that he had he became good he wasn't good all along.
@@thephoenix4093 doesnt really negate my point. When you’re dealing with a much bigger, more powerful source after spending your entire life thinking you’re better than everyone else, of course you’re going to concede and change. Mans had his whole reality flipped upside down and found out how nearly everyone he loved and cared about would eventually die including himself. No one in his position would stay the same after finding that out. Plus, Im pretty sure that thor says somewhere along the line that there was always good in loki. His redemption arc wasnt his character completely changing IMO. It was him coming to terms with his true self.
@@RiseAgainst369 really don't think there was anything "woke" in this besides admitting a prince who lived for thousands of the years in the past probably slept with men and women like in our own earth. So not really woke, more just truthful
I think ever since The Force Awakens, Disney become so woke with Ma-Rey Sue. And then, MCU tries to become "Girl Power" ever since Captain Marvel appeared. *Insert Slow Motion Leelo Laugh*
@Damian Rubio he isn't. The fact his female counterpart shoving him aside to steal his thunder as the important character betrays the script writer's agenda to project woman as dominant. This is a rising trend.
Wow, you didn't even get the most significant aspect of Lokis character. He's so arrogant and narcissistic he overestimates his significance and power all the time. He gets humbled over and over in every movie. By Thor, by the Hulk, even by an old german man.
Lo más triste es que creo que el alligator, cómo Sylvie y otros Loki que no se vieran como Tom, no tendrían que existir. Si existe una sola posibilidad, una sagrada línea de tiempo sola, es en la que Loki nace y se ve como Tom Hiddleston. No puede existir un Loki mujer o alligator cómo está explicado en la serie, Ya que, sus eventos Nexus o "alerta de variante" para la TVA fue, en el caso del alligator, comer un gato. Sería más factible que el evento Nexus fuese haberse convertido en alligator.
@@spicy9116 I love Owen Wilson (who doesn't), but the feminist diversity hires turned him into a puss. His character is the kind of guy who gets cheated on and says "What did I do wrong, my queen?!"
Why does it looks like a terrible fanfiction made by a Loki's fangirl shipping her own self-insert mary-sue OC with Loki? Edit: yes, there are actually fangirls who likes to see their husbandos more submissive, I'm one of them...
@@neath6341 Lol it's actually true, check the director and how, quote “it was very important to me, and my goal, to acknowledge Loki was bisexual”. No wonder shite hits the fan with people like this in the industry.
Also why didn’t he ever make himself some proper Loki clothes? Once he was away from the tva he could have made himself a new outfit. He literally complained about fine asgardian leather. But the. He’s just in an office outfit the rest of the show. I was expecting a cool new costume by the end like the last two shows. But nope, not for Loki
I'm glad I wasnt the only one bothered by this... I really disliked a lot of outfits in this show. The blue outfitted officers? Looks like an amature made them. The Young Loki variant? His outfit was super clean and looked weirdly/cheaply assembled, while the other Loki variants outfits were dirty and rugged. Loki got an office outfit, and Siv got a superior outfit. A small thing, but it bugged me, I'm thinking they had different designers on the set that didnt collaborate
@@alencia7203 They had all the opportunity to "explore" his powers in this and they didn't As Loki would say "are you ever going to *not* fall for that?"
@@malzo1701 well ask that to writer, he answers things on Twitter.....maybe they introduced classic loki to show lokis true potential....i actually liked the slow scenes with his development by seeing and experiencing things
@@alencia7203 they have no plan going forward, and just recently decided to have a meeting about were they are going to go with all of this. They are pulling the same shit they did with Star Wars.
Okay but seriously, can we just let women be actual villains without needing to have some pseudo-sympathetic backstory? Those villains make for some of the most iconic characters in media, And, right now, women aren't allowed to participate in that because they always have to be morally half-good. *Edit* for everyone saying "no one is born evil": Yes, in real life this is true. However, whether it's Jauffre in GOT, or Palpatine, or hell, if we expand our scope and include anime, there's a flood of awesome villains in fiction who are just huge dicks. That's because there are many ways to write a good villain. Them being realistic and being morally grey is not the only way to do that.
Honestly, as far as Disney goes, no. They seem to have a serious aversion to depicting a female character who is evil for its own sake any more, like Maleficent in “Sleeping Beauty.” They’re all now victims of something which forced them to make evil choices and would otherwise have been totally normal women. Check every modern Disney product; it’s the same in every case. Makes you wonder...
And possibly Wanda would be the main villain in Dr Strange 2 after we learn her backstory of her still grieving of her android boyfriend and the lost of her kids.
True omg, Karli was boring as fuck, same with Taskmaster who didn’t even had a line of dialogue, I suppose Agatha was fine on that area. She really felt like a power hungry witch who didn’t felt too Sympathetic to me. But then again even she has a unnecessary sad back story.
Yeah tbh he's a depraved omnisexual. His original lore is all about that. Like the time he turned into a horse and got knocked up by a mare...yeah, this is totally in character.
Narcissism is in-character for Loki, but is masochism? Also, afaik, he wasn't an omnisexual - his original lore was where he turned into a female horse to lure off Odin's horse. He underestimated how fast he would be pursued and got 'taken advantage of' by the horse, and got knocked up in the process, unintentionally. It was clearly a tale to mock Loki and enjoy his discomfort, told by the hypermasculine Norse (who identified with Thor, seeing Loki as a tricky weakling lacking masculinity).
So you're telling me having every single character arc be nullified by the end and having a random character who's never ever been shown or mentioned on-screen talk for 25min straight in the season finale which didn't have any conclusions whatsoever ISN'T exactly what you wanted?? curious...
Here's what I expected from the show. The TVA keeps the various timelines from descending into chaos. Loki gets the time stone and irresponsibly goes back to various points in history - dodging the TVA with clever tricks and manipulations (because they can't act too openly). Ancient Greece, China, Egypt, Europe etc. His meddling muddles the timelines, creating new branches. Owen Wilson is the TVA's best agent and comes close to stopping him many times. As the show progresses, Loki is gradually touched by the events he witnesses in the places he goes and finally comes to terms with the consequences of his actions when Wilson finally traps him. He then sets out to make amends but things have spiralled out of control and he needs to convince the other variants of himself to join in and help unravel his own mischief. (segue into season 2)
@@thanosnoctem4473 I'm no director - that takes a supreme amount of skill. But a good director/showrunner gets ideas from wherever they can and make the best of it. Sadly, those in charge of Loki didn't.
This wasn't Loki at all, especially a 2012 Avengers Loki. This was a Simp Loki and absolutely no version of any Loki would ever be this horrendously well-intended.
Bro he developed and didn’t act like the 2012 Loki because he isn’t the 2012 Loki. He can change within the show you know. I mean when he first shows up in the show he was very much the Loki from avengers and changes throughout the show to become a different version of himself.
@@BruceWayne-fj9bm How is it incest to have sex with yourself? I'm pretty sure its more like selfcest (if that's even a thing). I would still be really interested to see what would come of their relationship though.
If only someone controlled enough stock to tell Bob Iger to do that and take his host of not-so-merry maladroits with him. I used to think KK was the problem, but clearly she would be on the street with 2 weeks severance, the wages of gross incompetence if he didn't approve every offensive thing she did.
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sith from Thor and Agents of Shield Two clashing personality types Two characters with room to grow Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sith So much potiential for Sith - she should have had a bigger role
It seems that Disney and Netflix are currently locked in an arms race, where they are fighting to see which one can churn out the most diverse/pro-feminism/pro-lgbt shows, but the only thing they are really accomplishing, is getting in a tie for the worst quality content being released. In Loki, for example, it’s disheartening to see the wasted potential of two massively good actors - Hiddleton and Owen Wilson - being bogged down by such a horribly written story. It’s like seeing two sports cars aching to throttle up and zoom away, but they can’t, because the road is made of wet manure.
Look, the problem is not the feminism or the lgbtq, it’s bad writing…all of this is like a competition of which can attract more viewers, and they use all of the above not in a natural and organic way, but in a forced one, trying to attract more viewers by how “woke” they are… and this is even annoying for the minorities and target audience they want to please. The quantity over quality mentality combined with this makes what could have been a great show kind of a disappointment
Shame in the comics loki is a heavy hitter, Ignoring his magic even in just raw strength some of his feats such as lifting a car one handed and throwing it.
Yep. He could stay competitive with Thor in the first movie (maybe not beat him but just going a round means he should wipe the floor with any non-enhanced humans).
It's great that they gave Loki character development after all these years, but it seemed so.. rushed. Like the God of Mischief isn't going to change into a whole-hearted protagonist in just two episodes. And the fact that most of his development was due to a 'girl variant' of himself is kind of dumb. The way they made those two kiss ended up being really uncomfortable. Plus the end of the show left me looking forward to absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Well, looking back on my own experiences, it is exactly that what changes us most. Sudden, undeniable realization of reality and seeing the own flaws in another person while loving other parts at the same time, always leads to intensification of the inner conflicts until they surface into consciousness and demand change. Change of habit takes time, yes, but realization of a persons own habits happens in an instant. If that realisation is contrasting enough, change of habit also changes in an instant. Like discovering a cheating partner, finding love, god, scientific explanations, or just plainly intuitive insight like "This drug is not helping me". Especially in situations where time is not been given in abundance.
@@levnzt6949 But you cannot make a statement like this without completely ignoring Loki’s character traits. What do we know about him up to Avengers 1 (which he is directly ripped from)? Loki is vindictive, cunning, self-interested, egotistical, cruel, tyrannical, flamboyant, among many other things. What is much more likely in a scenario in which Loki is shown his future events is that he sees them, realizes that he has made mistakes and declares “You’ve already told me that I’m not really this man. Therefore I won’t make the same mistakes he made.” And then he will continue to work toward his goals doing things differently knowing the outcomes. This is a complete assassination of Loki’s character whether his tears convinced you or not, because the show tries to say that Loki NEVER wanted to hurt anyone in the first place, that it’s somehow all an act when the people who actually watched Avengers know that that’s bullshit. This Loki attempted to conquer Earth in Thanos’ name, he murdered 80 people in two days, he gleefully ripped the eyeball from a man in front of hundreds of terrified people, he was going to execute an old man for standing up to him, he set the Hulk loose on the helicarrier, he managed to threaten Black Widow so badly that she felt compromised in her mission, when Thor offers him a chance at redemption IN THE MIDDLE of the Battle of New York, Loki stabs him in the chest. This is so drastically different from Loki in Ragnarok who received FIVE FILMS of character development and STILL had to rescue and help people in a manner that was self-gratifying.
@@Daily_Bassist Let's also not forget that even in his character development, the idea of having power always lingered. Leading to him taking the tesseract. It's not bad that he has a change of heart at the end, but what lead up to it makes him out to be such a dog on a leash, and it's embarrassingly inconsistent.
I agree the kids was awkward I kind of wish they didn’t fall in love but that does seem like something loki would do, literally fall in love with himself lol. Yeah but your just watching it like 😬😳 In the end I actually still really liked the show. I think the marvel shows are ok. I rank them like this. I’d say I really like top three Best 1.) moonknight 2.)Loki 3.) Hawkeye 4.) WandaVision 5.) Falcon winter soldier Worst
The way he charged at her was so stupid like you've been doing this for thousands of years and have known her for thousands of years but that's the best effort you can put up in a fight
And most importantly, he didn't get his jet ski. It would be a bitter sweet ending if he got his jet ski and said: "Wow!" But thankfully, there's Season 2 of the show so hope he gets it soon.
Frost giants in first thor movie: sneakily kills Asgardian soldiers in brutal and quick ways. Loki in this show who is a frost giant: gets beat up by random guy in a shop
that random guy was under control of a Frost Giant. He wasn't trying to fight, he was trying to talk. And DNA doesn't make someone's skills automatically, he (probably) wasn't trained in that type of fighting.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 maybe but it's still a pretty piss poor explanation. That's like a little kid fighting a body builder and engaging first, sure the body builder isn't interested in fighting or killing a child but the child will still get clapped regardless it's just rlly bad writing that makes Loki such a weakling
2012 Loki: Killed bunch of people on Earth, didn't care about anyone but himself, was prepared to kill his own brother to achieve his goal, was borderline evil. also 2012 Loki: i'M jUst mIsuNdErStOoD
@David Chenet That's such a stupid thing to say in 3rd party source material. He acted like he was acting in Thor 1. If you remember in Thor 1 when Loki sent destroyer after Thor, he said: "Ensure that my brother doesn't return. Destroy everything". Not to mention his plot to gain father's favor, to destroy an entire planet, etc. Loki is not misunderstood anti-hero, he is villain. And we liked him as villain. Yes, he got redemption arc, but it was over a long period of time, a lot of suffering and mistakes. Not after watching a slideshow of what his future self went through.
In the first Thor Loki kills his biological father Laufey then tries to genocide his biological species by destroying their home planet. Seems several degrees more evil than trying to kill his step-brother, Thor.
They do a good job of explaining in the show his actions and Mobius calls him on it several times. And if you follow his MCU arc its not hard to see it.
From East TN....Maybe the Tennessee Valley Authority is a variant of the TVA in Loki? Surely the TVA in Loki, if made up of a bunch of variants, also has (TVA) variants.
I liked it because it was a humbling experience for him to realize A: he's not the "best" Loki and B: there is a LOT of shit he doesn't know that C: he is very much outmatched by. Loki is more interesting with character growth. People complain a lot about his character arc in the MCU and the show, but a character that remains stagnant through a multitude of pretty massive experiences (failures and all) is both extremely unrealistic and would get boring/old. The fandom will never be satisfied because everyone has their own headcannon of "proper" Loki and will dislike anything outside of that. This fandom is literally as dumb as the Star Wars fandom. People are so fucking dramatic lol.
@@DefconDelta88 Not the best Loki is a bit subjective. But seriously, the character growth was fine, even though much of it happened very briefly from watching the highlight reels of his potential future. The problem is that his capabilities and basic sense were sorely lacking. They're worse than me playing a D&D character on 2 hours of sleep. He was generally several steps behind everyone and everything, while making unbelievably dumb decisions just because the plot says so. Why is Loki pointlessly drawing attention to himself and blowing their cover on the train? How are they so easily defeated on the train in the first place when they have a lifetime of training and can tank blasts that could greatly incapacity(or likely kill) the inhabitants of that world? Maybe next season he won't get worfed so much and can do a bit more.
@@DefconDelta88 ... Still ... This version of Loki was definitely less intelligent and far more gullible ... Plus it seems TVA has mostly humans, and based on the 1st Avengers movie, they shouldn't have a chance against him in hand to hand combat.
Considering how shit these marvel tv shows are i wonder if anyone is excited about the Blade series? I was when it was announced but seeing how these shows have turned out im not so confident anymore.
Everyone seemed pretty cynical and nit picked the fuck out the writing as if it weren’t a series with way more to unpack. I enjoyed the 2nd season just as much as the 1st, if not more. Y’all need lil more patience
Real tired of this crap, i didn't watch a series called *"LOKI"* for female loki, the random TVA characters i don't care about, or Owen Wilson's character, or ANY of them to take up 90% of the dialogue and screentime! what a frickin rip off, WandaVision and TFAWS weren't as bad in this way!
@@webbedshadow2601 Your comment reminds me of the Crystal Lake Memories documentary; particularily the section on Freddy vs Jason. There were multiple scripts being written for that film; and one of them featured a new character named Dominic Necros, a Freddy cult leader. Jeff Katz, who was an executive at New Line Cinema goes and says, "I wouldn't pay for a ticket to see a character named Dominic Necros in a film about Freddy and Jason duking it out." You didn't pay for a streaming service to watch a female Loki, in a series called LOKI; so I get ya. 😊😊
@@playthehighnote1122 Well, I only watched the first three or four episodes anyways. Picard hadn't left Earth when I stopped watching it; but from everything I've heard about it from other commentators, they all seemed to say the same thing: Picard was a side character in his own show. 🤔🤔
I watched Avengers yesterday... Loki's whole shtick is that if he subdued humanity he can save them by removing their free will. Surely if they had turned that tables on Loki and caused him to have an existential crisis that was more than just pictures, then it may have been more believable
Watching Avengers vs Loki opened my eyes as to how they basically characterized him as Ragnarok Loki and he never spoke about Thanos. Loki was pale and sallow and vicious but he gets chumped by Sif kneeling him in the balls for hours wtffff
@@vanstoutenburg8932 it's hollow because he's a completely different character. But I am excited for the Kangz because Jonathan Majors just chewed the scene.
As both an MCU and comics Loki fan with enormous appreciation for Tom Hiddleston’s portrayal of Loki throughout the years… thank you. THANK YOU. This show may have driven the plot of the MCU forward, but it made a mockery of Loki (and Hiddleston) in the process
He's a great actor. But honestly I cringed way too many times with him crying all the time, crying hugging Owen Wilson and worst of all his _"I'm chilly"_ blanket moment. It was a *very* different version of the Loki character. Played well, sure. But not really Loki imo.
You're missing the big picture - Disney has to set up the ability for the franchise to remove all conclusive story lines. Need a new Spider-Man because the old actor's contract ran out? Easy. Multi-verse. Fans hated the story direction you went with one of your main characters? No problems, multi-verse it.
Too lazy to be bothered to write a compelling narrative full of character building, world building, and serious tension between characters? Multi-verse it.
Lmfaooo critical drinker is just yapping loki was the best thing marvel ever created dude needs to write a story because he clearly doesn't know how they work
@@PNWAffliction Yeah they basically did the same thing from the previous season. Like the whole Identity thing, or the orgy episode in season 5 that talks about toxic relationship, which reminded me about the episode of rick fucking a planet or something. it's just the same thing being rehash over and over again, and not to mention the whole woke thing was pump to eleven and it's not even funny, just straight up preachy.
@@PNWAffliction Rick and Morty, shit writing? I'm sorry but you obviously don't know enough about how creative writing works if you believe that. One or two episodes are diminished by bad writing from time to time but what series doesn't have that?
@Joseph Ellis Natasha is dead forever we still aren’t sure what exactly is going on with vision and captain Americana and iron man are dead and gamora has been reset so basically a new character
@@kellenbailey4761 dont forget ancient one, pietro, heimdal, odin, friga, warriors 3, and yandu. But yeah, they dont kill anyone, they didnt even kill uncle ben. Lmao
I mean say what you will about marvel movies of the past but the entire "phase 4" schedule of whatever they're calling it is is completely fucked. Nothing but garbage from here on out is all I see.
Everyone was shocked when I decided I hated the Loki show. I everyone knows I’m a die hard Loki *simp* and they destroyed everything about him I loved! His strong personality his sense of self worth, ability to fight, his powers, his strange dichotomy of unbelievably smart and unbearably naïveté and even his character development where he’s no longer selfish and the good his mother planted in him as a traumatized child had an opportunity to flourish.
Same, I used to be obsessed with the MCU, but with the current crap they have been putting out lately, I’ve gotten bored of it and have no interest in what comes next.
Despite being the self proclaimed God of Mischief Loki rarely makes use of mischief, subterfuge or deception. Mobius the office drone was more mischievous than Loki and repeated out manoeuvred him
@@gunrodkaew4089 Uh, maybe because everyone else is at least kind of similar to their comic book counterparts? Or probably because the MCU is based off of characters from the COMIC BOOKS? Are you seriously asking why were confused as to why the character isn’t acting like his comic book counterpart??
@@gunrodkaew4089 Idk Dude, The betrayals, the constant flip flopping of allegiances taken for his own self preservation, attempting to replace his Father, and the other few times he actually used his ability to copy another's likeness... He has plenty of examples of being mischievous, and they were his best moments, because it made him this unpredictable Wild Card.
Owen Wilson was one of the bright spots in this whole mess. Moebius also started out strong as a seemingly weak character who was able to manipulate Loki. It's all downhill after the first episode.
In 1st scene when B-15 hits Loki Loki was taken by surprise and the small hit was a time loop Beaten by Lady Sif is a reference to Norse Mythology And he wasn't trying to kill Sylvie in the final episode but he did well
@@jayant3082 In other words they made LOKI a Bit*h in his own show and made him look weak just so that a female can shine. Lol give me a break. Could've done it in seaon 2.
Spiderman has punched Hulk into space ,Loki possessed Sifs reincarnated body just to troll Thor, Thanos gets beaten up by squirrel girl and rode a helicopter Marvel has always been random.
@@waldorfmcvitty4854 Arrogant, talkative, overconfident, untrustworthy (Loki traits) and then he's wildly incompetent, overwhelmed, weirdly stupid, and everyone's laughing at him (Rimmer).
It would've been interesting if he betrayed Sylvie in the very end, revealing that it was all an act and that she effectively did his dirty work for him. Then everything would work in context - he's manipulating her way more than she's controlling and overshadowing him.
@@mrgreenboy644 Yes! The show would've been amazing and Loki would still be Loki. But of course, we all know the producers and writers will never let that happen. Its The Sylvie Show after all
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We have to wait for Kangaroo the conqueror jumping one timeline to another timeline.😂😂.
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Drinker, I just wanna say, you always agree with everything I believe about something and you are the one to get it out there. With every video, you become more and more of my favorite UA-camr.
Was waiting for your video...😂
Look, tom is ham, i know. And normally id agree with you very realistically cynical rundowns. But this is literally the best thing marvel has done since iron man 1, be realistic.
Loki in the movies is the Boss Fight, Loki in the shows is when you unlock him as a playable character.
Couldn't explain it better
Only this Loki is level -8…..
HA
Oh crap. 😂 That's so accurate. 😂
Best thing I've read all day haha
thing i hate the most about the marvel films with loki and thor is that their asgaudian ability such as super strength and endurance seem to come and go depending on the plot
A hallmark of bad writing.
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sif from Thor and Agents of Shield
Two clashing personality types
Two characters with room to grow
Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sif
So much potential for Sif - she should have had a bigger role
@@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247 sith? As in the sworn enemy of the jedi?
@@dotkor2023 I think the inept baboon meant Sif
@@dotkor2023 Sif.
I love how the TVA agents can beat the shit out of Loki but can't hold a little girl
TVA is just a bunch of incompetent workers. I hardly believe they can prune any stronger being if they can easily cucked by weakest god in Norse mythology
because tva learns from their mistakes
I thought the TVA themselves were indestructible because if you think about it they would have to arrest variants of Thanos and the hulk
Because she had they're equipment
@@explunky if this comment is a joke then I analogise for my obtuseness, however the tva has apparently been a thing for god knows how long and has dealt with (though this may be giving marvel too much credit) infinite possibilities. There’s no way they couldn’t deal with a child. Also, what with the amount of Lokis you’d think they’d learn how to counter them
"If they have sex, is it incest or masturbation?"
Drinker out here asking the real questions
Never thought of this part yet I was already disturbed
It would be "selfcest" not incest, but it's still... a fascinating question
Masturbating is just like sex, but it's in single player mode.
@@officialnoonon Intracest?
Never thought I would ever have to comptemplate that
Ah yes the show where the main character is a known trickster and doesn’t trick anyone
But he tries. The trick is he's dealing with people that know his entire timeline. It's hard to trick people who know what you are going to do and how you are going to do it because they have access to your entire evolution across time and who can nullify certain aspects of your powers. Other context is that while he tries to trick, he's very much without his normal swagger because he's in a situation he really has never been in. So to me this came off well: someone who tries to revert to character but constantly gets stymied because he can't rely on his usual tricks.
@@ammo7204 Well, rather than resort to childish statements, what we can do is put on our mature hats and act like art can have differing interpretations by people. This way people can disagree but still actually discuss things.
I can entirely see some of the flaws that people mention about Loki as the series developed; but I can also see ways to frame those flaws as at least narrative elements that can make sense given the context. It's up to each person if that makes sense to them or not.
He literally tricks Mobius in the first episode..
Fanboys will prove you wrong
@@JeffNyman Incels- We don't do that here
(Crying Child Voice) Everything is woke aahh there putting a women in there aaa what loki is bisexual(which he was in comics too)ahh black guy becomes the Captain America(which he did in the comics too) Female Thor ahh (Which is in the comics too). I mean nobody really gives a shit about these small percentage of crybabies look at the fandom and trailers majority of the people are liking it and discussing the possibilities.
I actually enjoyed the show. However I found it odd that the bad guy in the citadel was a scientist who discovered the multiverse and this somehow meant he was also immortal, could control time and control the beast which could consume all matter, he kind of breezed over how this power was all possible simply because he discovered other universes
It’s called technology obviously
I liked it too.
This sounds to me a lot like a Rick and Morty episode. 😁
I mean he literally was experimenting with time and he was kinda immortal because he found his place right in the end of time which is basically a place where time works very differently and he even said that he is older than he looks so yeah and his evil versions are coming so Im looking forward to it
Well i just took it that this citadel time moves just like the tva. Plus he’s supposed to be Kang and I enjoyed this variant rather than some old man to bore me to death
Loki in the Avengers held his own in a fight with Steve Rogers, Iron Man, and got slammed by the Hulk and lived. Loki in his own TV show got his ass kicked by literally everyone.
I mean he didn't have his powers so
He got beat up with a vacuum cleaner. Such nonsense
That’s mostly because of the fight choreography. The story is written in a way that Loki is supposed to be outmatched. That he’s in an unfamiliar environment that’s beyond his understanding. So, he’s awkwardly trying to figure everything out like a toddler starting his first day of school. Which is okay, but the fight choreographer and director (s) just don’t understand his powers. The abilities and strengths of each character are not fleshed out. So, there isn’t any tension or conflict within the fight sequences. For instance, how does the head of the TVA, who use to just be a high school principal, able to fight and take down a half Asgardian Frost Giant? 🤷 It’s a cool idea on paper. Unfortunately, it’s awkwardly executed on screen.
@@BDLabs2 very well put.
@@BDLabs2 I'm going to have to disagree with you on the premise that it's ok to take a famous and loved Villain, hype up his own TV show, and then reduce him to the state of a toddler.
No one puts up with that in anything else look at say DBGT that went so poorly they retconed the entire universe and made the character a God instead of a child, here they took a God and made him a kid....
I love how multiverse of madness decided to play a moral high ground on doctor strange made a horrifically difficult decision to save half the universe, while Wanda got little to no pushback on the fact she selfishly manipulated a town of people and scarred them all for life just because she couldn't handle reality
I thought the point in Wandavision is Wanda doesn't know she is controlling Westview thanks to Agatha harkness
@@jeffmccool5690 except she does when she steps out of the hex and tells the soldiers or government whoever that she wants them to stay away, so she was definitely conscious
Well it's a response to extreme grief. It's not right in any way, but it has a reason. She couldn't handle reality, no, but she was in extreme pain after having to kill Vision and then watching him die. And not even having a body to bury afterwards. I'd be pretty sad and not wanting to accept reality after that either to be honest.
@@cyanide167 She didn't know that she was holding them hostage. When she first arrived, the town was very depressed. She thought she made everything better.
@@daniellim4649 She did know.
“You’ve taken an entire town hostage!”
“I’m not the one with the guns, Drechter.”
Also, taking away someone’s free will = making them happier. lol what?
Isn’t Loki, first and foremost, a Trickster god? That should automatically mean he’s clever, not confused and fumbling-unless it’s an act that’s part of a confidence trick.
Nope. Not even a trick. A lot of people thought Loki faked breaking the time device just to get to know more about Sylvie, but in fact he did actually break it. Loki is a sidekick in his own show.
Well, he is at the start. Until they break him
It's basically a 1984 story lol
@@superjlk_9538 😂😂 true
C’mon man, Loki is such a trickster, he’s playing 3-D Twister on, you know, the thing.
Dr. Strange: I saw over 14 million realities of the coming fight against Thanos
Tony Stark: How many do we win?
Dr. Strange: All of them. We win 1 naturally and the other 14 million some TVA people come in and erase Thanos and reset the timeline until we win.
And then he chose a meme time-line
Screenwriters: "Upsie!"
The MCU is a sloppy, sloppy, sloppy mess. It's hard enough to maintain a consistent universe & story when it's just one writer in charge of everything. Imagine how chaotic the MCU has to be behind the scenes with dozens of different directors, writers and mandates from the higher-ups.
That's not exactly how it works
Those are simply possible futures, not viable futures
@@Nothingness4907 Well, they're supposed to be. But thanks to Loki, they are now all actualized. But then again, Endgame set up multiple universes, so maybe it screwed itself.
If Owen Wilson was allowed to say “Wow” at any given opportunity, we would have had ourselves a show
If they don’t give him a jet ski followed by him saying wow in season 2 the show is dead
Give that man his goddamn jetski for fuck sake
That is annoying. Please no.
@@MrTrickster5 💯💯😄😄🤣🤣
i was displeased with the lack of “Wow”
It's such a shame too because Loki is a great character, Tom is a great actor. Like Disney had all the raw material and they just wasted it. 😔
Now where have I heard that before?!?!?!?
Except for No Way Home, Disney fucked Marvel.
@@sushio4357 because that was more of a Sony project
@@ajsx4 was going to say that. You beat me to it.
@@ajsx4 lmao sony projects have been shit, this was a marvel project and disney made it.
My only problem with loki is that in the show he feels more like an idiot human than the actual god of mischief.
Yup Loki became a side character in his own show
This. He is like a few hundreds years old, but still acts like a generic 20 years old clown. Not to menshion he is a trickster god and should be smart and cold AF. But this is more like stupid emo-boy.
I noticed that to, but it only served to establish that the TVA (and the situation) is waaay out of Loki's league... I bought it. It created stakes, and tension. I'm good with it.
He really feels so weak and not really like Loki, it’s pretty disappointing
I was hoping for more mischief and deceiving interactions with Loki only to see that he was literally honest the whole time.
Remember when Loki was strong enough to take on Thor in a fight? Good times...
That because they’re brothers, it’s pretty much a guarantee that their fights would go down like a choreographed dance
Loki was never much of a physical fighter, it makes sense that he gets his ass handed to him by trained soldiers
@@Goblinhandler what ? You can't be serious.. Loki is a super physiological god.. "trained soldiers" wtf lol
He also beat Captain America's ass in the first Avengers movie but the MCU just forgot that - MCU is such a car crash these days. No consistency.
In the comics Loki can actually defeat Thor, Beta Ray Bill, and Doctor Strange in a 1 on 1 with his many magical abilities.
@@Goblinhandler Loki is a literal god who's been raised in a warrior culture on steroids. "Never much of a physical fighter" are you kidding me? Go watch Thor TDW again, look how many dark elves he took down at once. Go watch Thor 1- Thor wouldn't have been able to overpower Loki if he hadn't pinned him down with his hammer. Go watch Avengers 1- Loki beat ALL the Avengers' asses even after being tortured by Thanos for a year and clearly not being at 100% energy or strength. The writers of the show are incompetent and ignorant.
Dont you get it?!
He's the trickster God.
You just got tricked into watching this dumb show
Brilliant
Damn, he got us good this time
LMAO
🤣🤣🤣
I watched it on an illegal asian website.
Just kidding, not even watched it
My two problems with the show: 1) they removed all of Loki's agency, and 2) most of the time it looked like a video game level that had been scripted on rails.
dude I was so turned off by the one who remains guy that I missed he was Kang the Conqueror. Him eating an apple was 💩💩
You ain’t wrong about the scripted on rails thing, apparently Sylvie’s entire character was just made up as they wrote the episodes. I can not make this up even if I wanted to.
I just wanted a Loki show where Loki actualy tricks someone or does anything relatively close to being the "God of Mischief"
yeah he is the trickster .wtf even is this
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more. The character’s name may have been Loki, but the spirit of Loki was conspicuously absent.
Exactly how I felt. Loki was my favorite character with unique character traits, and by far the most entertaining with his tricks. Now he's a nobody with no unique traits, and the most boring.
Well since there are different loki variants, the show is about them and doesn't have to focus on the loki we know and love. Not my thinking or opinion. But this is basically what i was being told when i expressed how sorry and sad Loki is.
@@ellichacon8840 It was advertised on Loki.
“Loki is half-Asgardian”
Actually, he’s all Frost Giant. Your point about him being knocked out so easily stands, though.
Half giant
@@Akshaytyagixin half puny
He is a frost giant, yet he was feeling cold in the 5th episode? How the hell does that work?
@@Akshaytyagixin Loki was a Frost Giant who was abandoned by his father, when Odin found him he used his powers to change his appearance and raised him alongside Thor as his son.
his shape shifting ability came from Frigga via witchcraft and an illusion magic
so him being bi is BS
ravonna renslayer got race swap ofcourse
"Body positive Space Cops" - sounds like Rich Evans!
Body alternative Space Cops - Sounds more like Rich Evans lol
The only thing positive about Rich Evans body is his blood. Because of the AAIIIIIIIIIIIDDSS
Oh my God!
Only lacking any of the self-awareness, humor or endearing qualities of our Lord and Savior
Rich Evans wants that juicy Shaq meat
This could have been really good, like a marvel version of doctor who with an anti hero. Imagine this for a moment, Loki finds the other Loki in the mega store, but when the hood goes down it's Chris Hemsworth's Thor "It's not about you...brother". He's from an alternate time line where Thor is the bad adopted son and Loki is the good son.
That would have been jaw dropping and open the door to great dialog and possibilities.
Ehi, where is the strong female character in your preview? 😂
YES THATS AWSOM
@@squidprince2456 Psych! Turns out it's female Thor! Oh Marvel...
Nah. It would still suck.
@@mariantambe5110 but Natalie Portman will be expensive
Loki is NOT “half Asgardian” though . . . He’s born completely of the Ice Giants . . . Odin adopted him., He can still fight THOR though so it’s much MUCH stronger than they allowed here.
Drinker is a bit off the rails on this one, a lot of his complaints seem either straight up misinformed or completely uninformed at all. I didn't get the feeling that the writers dislike the property at all, and seem to have lovingly crafted this, yet he seems to think they hate Loki altogether. Very strange considering most of Drinker's shit is relatively rational.
Also there is a lot of forced diversity shit nowadays, but at no point did it seem that way with Renslayer, at all. The whole "loki is really strong how did he get his ass kicked at the beginning part is really stupid too because they caught him off guard and used basically time magic to slow him and get the collar on so his powers and shit didn't work anymore.
I really do respect Drinker's opinions on a lot of stuff, but he is so far off base here and I cannot fathom why beyond he just doesn't like MCU stuff and he doesn't diversity in any form. Both of which do not seem accurate but what other conclusion can be drawn from this take?
@@CridgetMan1234 dont think its right to say he doesnt like diversity in any form. a bit of a stretch.
Worst thing Marvel did from the beginning was bastardize Norse mythology in order to pander to a simple minded audience. Then Disney turned up the dial to make it worse.
@@CridgetMan1234 only point of watching the critical drinker is for the laughs. I don't know how you can take his critiquing seriously. If the plot involves women or people of color it fucking sucks, really that simple lol.
@@CridgetMan1234 - If they "lovingly crafted" it, they would have watched every movie with Loki, which it seems like they didn't. Geez, at least Avengers and Thor. Build from there.
They nerfed him, made him weepy and threw away any bit of cunning the character had.
They may have "lovingly crafted" their story, but their story had nothing to do with the MCU Avengers villain Loki, other than Tom Hiddleston played the role.
"side character is his own show" Boy, sure feels like I've been hearing that one alot lately...
Book of boba fett is gunna be the fennic sang show watch…
@@dreplays3280 Well even if that happens at least Ming-Na Wen is a great actress. She was great in Agents of Shield
Picard...
To be fair Loki in the title could mean any of the variants in the show not just Tom Hiddleston Loki. Hell Tom played more than one version of the character in the show alone
@@rhetiq9989 Then that is deceptive as they obviously know that Marvel and Loki fans were looking for Avengers 1 Loki, not variants that were never hinted at before the show in the MCU.
This could have been so much more interesting if the lokis' roles were reversed. Have the original Loki be on the run, and include a few conflicts with the other Loki before her big reveal. Have a scene where Loki is thinking about how he is being tracked down so fast and realising the only person who could do this is himself.
Dude I’m not even gonna lie, that would be pretty awesome if they did that
Yeah, that would've been more in line with the post-Avengers 1 Loki and I could even see the female Loki working for the TVA and not even realize she's a variant, just like all the other variants working there.
*That* is a Sylvie I could really see wanting to kill the person on top after she finds out the truth.
You should be doing the writing!
Good idea, too bad you weren't on the writing team.
@@user-ii9we3hc4h I'll bet someone on the writing staff thought of it, suggested it, and it got rejected.
Imagine watching 2011 The Avengers then immediately watching Loki. The stark contrast in personality would be crazy
It actually works surprisingly well
Literally a sidekick in his own show.
More like a groin kick in his own show…
Welcome to phase 4
But isn't Loki technically the main character? Just not Tom
@@onewhocollects6658 yeah but we came for tom to be the main char not slivie
@@zero_snow4511 but he’s literally in 90% of the scenes. To say he is a sidekick on his own show is kinda stupid.
The bit that bothered me the most was the inconsistency in Loki's strengths and feats. The way he levitated that falling building and struggles against randos after being too much for Cap to handle in 2012.
No you're thinking to hard
@@anthonyambrose7830 *too* hard.
Following that train of thought how tf does the TVA handle a varient Thanos, Ronan, Hella or Hulk? Hell even Tony Stark without armor seems like he could outsmart them. They needed to have reprogrammed heros and villain varients so the villains actually seem capable.
Also Lokis magic and infinity stones don't work but Odins magic saving the makeup department having to make him blue every time he's in no magic zone still functions.
@@AltoStratusX1 I guess they just don't try to apprehend the one that are too powerful like thanos. just show up set a charge to prun them and leave.
@@situzifeng ...then why don't they do it with loki, on the power scale loki isn't quite at hulk or Thanos but still a great danger.
The beginning to Loki was just terrible character development. It was almost like they wrote him as the Loki from Thor: Ragnarok, but this was supposed to be 2012. He was supposed to be the exact same Loki from the first Avengers movie - you know, the one who was willing to kill a random old man who stood up to him and the one who was able to catch Hawkeye's arrow while speeding through the air and not even looking in its direction. The first scene with Loki and Sylvie would've been so much better if Loki was wicked and violent like he used to be. With all three shows, I liked the idea of them, but the execution was not good at all.
At the time the mind stone was affecting his mental state which made him more violent as we can see when we compare the THOR movies Loki
Yea. Exactly!!
I haven't watched this show yet, but I was thinking along the same lines. Loki really developed and grew as a character throughout the Thor movies. I thought the tv Loki was going to be just as clever and charismatic, but also cunning and somewhat ruthless like the 2012 Loki. I thought the plots and events of the tv show, whatever they might be, would help him to go through similar changes - developing his character to become more compassionate, but still keeping his charisma and cunning. However, there seems to be a complete lack of consistency in the character. Kinda makes me not want to watch the tv show. Too bad! :(
@@deborahblackvideoediting8697 Yeah, the show became a chore for me, but it had some really good moments too. If you want to watch any of the future Marvel movies, you'll have to watch Loki because there are things that happen that are really important to know. You can watch it just for Owen Wilson cause he's great.
@@klc7275 - Thanks! I didn't realize that aspects of the show would be incorporated into the movies, but I guess that makes sense from a financial point of view! I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and subscribe to Disney+ for a month or two. Also want to watch Hamilton, so I don't really mind! :)
The show really jumped the shark when Loki said he was cold. Bitch he’s a FROST GIANT.
He did that to get a reason to make a blanket so he could rizz up Sylvie.
Sylvie says "he (mobius) cares about you". here, she actually conveyed that she cares about loki, but doesnt doesnt doesnt reveal it to him.. but loki understands this, and conjures a blanket for both in a romantic way with the excuse that its cold
Anyone remember the movie Loki that had the frigging Hulk smash him around and into a floor and survived, compared to this Loki that gets knocked out from body positive fisticuffs?
He grabbed a dude and removed his eyeball in Avengers, he stabbed Phil Coulson dead, but he screams in the Time court when some random tool gets disintegrated.
Something about the trauma of getting smashed that put two of the most awesome characters (Loki and Hulk) on the shelf. Really, really bad idea. The fact that Hulk never got a rematch with Thanos and this castrated Loki means Marvel doesn't understand their audience anymore.
@@yankee1376 maybe because those were basic ass humans and he was above them compared to a whole a organization that can disintegrate you in a matter of seconds🗿
@@user-rh9dv9fp2t Nah
@@user-rh9dv9fp2t but that organization was made up of basic ass human variants, no stronger than regular humans.
The TVA and their tech was something that i just couldn't buy, throughout the whole season. Like, the ONLY weapons they ever seem to possess were those shock batons, and i always wondered: If theyre already having such a hard time restraining two average people and a CHILD, now how the hell would they be able to capture, say, a Thanos? A Captain America Variant? Yes, apparently all magic or supernatural / superhuman powers don't work in TVA realm, but even then, how would they handle a 8ft tall giant in combat, or a regular human in peak physical condition with expert training in Martial Arts? How would they handle , say, a Winter Soldier Variant? Or , as it was once shown very briefly, a Hulk(-ish) Variant of Loki?
Two average people and a child? Which average people and child are they?
They only need to touch the person with the glow end of the stick. Maybe they could make an arrow of it and shoot it to thanos variant to erase him.
They would have to go retrieve the variant on their turf. So they are fucked.
Yess !!That weapon annoyed me sooo much !wtf is even that !
3 of them died because Sylvie threw an oil lamp at them.
Loki : Don't kill him silly-vie it will get worse
Silly-vie: Nah , It'll be fine.
Thanks for the heart drinker! Best reviewer on youtube. Love from India ❤️
@@GurmeetSingh-sl4te I hope you will open a restaurant one day. Your name sounds like "the Feast of Lions"
@@culturecanvas777 You have the audacity to talk about someone's name? Look at yours mate
@ Ayushman Singh I might be worng, but I think Person Person was being nice...and you've misread?
@@HabitualLine-Stepper Really? Oh well, if that's the case, my bad then..
the fact that they actually made tom hiddleston of all people a side character in his own series is one of the worst choices i've seen
The man is an amazing actor! WTF Marvel!
Answer this, did you occur to watch the show?or a you pulling stuff out of that small peanut sized thing in your head you call a brain. Loki was the central character of the show from top to bottom; his character was indeed the main focus and 99.999 percent of the time the camera was positioned to the character, Loki is actually one of the only marvel series I've watched that doesn't take that much camera time of that main character, and the whole plot centers around the main character in a beautiful and marvelous storytelling. So this it is not not WTF! Marvel is misusing Loki, it's instead WTF! Marvel execuianted the character of Loki
So maybe your peanut sized brain can comprehend this, Marvel used Loki beautiful and in no way shape or form reduced his character but elevated him from a Villain to a Hero that as saved the universe and multiverse spacetime continuum 🎤🎤🎤
But he’s *NEVER* been a main character in anything!
Lol at the end of season 2 he isn't just a side character to Silvia but the entire multiverse 😂 Everytime someone takes a dump in an alternative reality, loki is the one flushing
I remember while watching the films I'd never know what Loki had in mind, I always wondered "is he really helping them or is he playing a part?" and it was exciting in some matter. Not once during the series I ever thought of him playing a double's game.
Why would a god of mischief ever do something mischievous? That would make the story marginally harder to write
I think the point of the series is that, the TBA shows him how he ultimately fails in life, which creates a catalyst for his change, but he ends up pairing up with his female counter part, who IS in fact playing the double's game. You have to remember, this version of Loki isn't our original Loki to begin with. But I do agree, some of his temperament is inconsistent because someone above mentioned that -this- version of Loki, is the one that escaped during their trip to the past to the first avengers, so he should have been much more blood thirsty and cunning.
@@Michael_McMaster How is being unpredictable predictable in any way?
@@thanosnoctem4473 Because if you stay in line with how your character is supposed to act, then it becomes boring...? Kind of like how Luke Skywalker or Obi-Wan Kenobi got completely butchered by new writers.
@@Count_Virgil What do you mean this version of Loki isn't our original Loki?? You do realise that Thor 1 and Avengers still took place right? So he is infact our original Loki from Thor 1 and Avengers. They just used that shitty PowerPoint presentation to downgrade his character so that Sylvie takes the lead in the show.
Loki is supposed to weigh like 900 pounds , I hate how easily people and things knock him around it kills me because he shook off a spinning kick to the face from freaking captain America. Cap even says this guy can take a hit
Wow. Even i forgot about this. Wtf...
Actually, in the comics, Loki weighs just under 500 lbs. Still, your conclusion is correct. Cap's exact quote: "This guy packs a wallop." In this series, he comes off as just a decently trained regular guy. Lazy writing. Just lazy. Too lazy to come up with a valid explanation for the ease of his capture by the TVA goons.
"Early people"?
Man...remember when Loki was one of the most interesting and sympathetic villains?
Man did they ruin him...
@@jasondphoenix All these Marvel/Disney series have been complete shit-shows.
Alligator Loki is the deepest character in this series.
You must’ve missed Classic Loki
Both were great!
The show should've just been him vibing in a swamp or something, like a NatGeo doc
That's race pandering if I ever saw it. 😎
"I've got Alligator Loki on my mind..."
I hated Sylvie the moment I saw that she was the " female Loki". Because first, I've seen female Loki cosplay by fans that were ten thousands times better. And two, I've felt since then ( and the show haven't even aired yet) that she was going to be a recurring character while I was watching only to see Loki. OUR LOKI
essientaly now she's going to be the replacement for Loki in the main timeline, so get ready for another Captain Marvel. Also we are supposed to get a female Thor, female Iron Man, female Hawkeye, extra-female Black Widow, and a female hulk that supposed be some fat black lesbian chick.
Sylvie could've worked if they respected her, Loki and the audience and made her Enchantress, instead of "Female Loki" which if you think about it is really sexist of the writers. She's a character that already exists and from what I rember basically she has the same powers Loki has, she just has different goals, my point being she isn't Loki, but this show doesn't respect her enough to do that.
Same goes for She-Hulk, if that's who she's suppose to be. I remember her from the "Hulk" 90s cartoon. She was Bruce's cousin and feminine, so why ruin literally a strong female character to make a token minority, it's just more nonsense.
I'm gonna be bold and say Sylvie is the director's self insert.
@@j.a.hernandez9742 Well we have so far extra black widow.
@@j.a.hernandez9742 whaaaat noooo she hulk is supposed to be Bruce banners cousin or something
Loki it turns out is actually the god of exposition.
Agreed, there was SO MUCH exposition in this show, for no explicable reason!
@@trinaq because writers don’t know how to write because they were inexperienced and uninterested
Exposoki
Odin: are you Loki the God of Exposition?
@@tobznoobs "No, father, I am the God of Hammers."
It's insane how depowered Loki was in this show, he might as well be a regular guy at this point.
He had no powers while in TVA. When has he been known for bare handed combat?
@@fuckknowledge even without powers he can fight thor survive against the hulk bitch slap Tony gold Steve Roger's react to arrows that are far away survive bombs but yet he isnt able to take one hit from a baton?
@@TSH425 You know, thinking about it after seeing black widow fall from bridges and get blown up without damage, maybe in the mcu everyone is just basically indestructible by default.
@@TSH425 are you guys actual dummies? He didnt even try to fight at that time and that baton makes people experience pain in SLOW-MOTION.
@@TSH425 and i am also having a stroke just by reading your comment
The thing that annoys me is that those time cops are just humans, they had a life on Earth before the TVA.
Explain to me how Loki was captured by them when he was overpowering Captain America, and man handling Thor by his own.
What if there’s a variant of Thanos or Dr Strange or some other powerful being? How would they capture those?
they are immortal though so we dont know if they are slightly enhanced.
And none of the variants were aliens, they were all human which is strange
Easy explanation, he was about to so the classic let them punch me and ignore it thing, but didn't expect weird time tech.
Well they were able to manipulate time. That’s the only reason they could get him.
@@dragless4565 I thought they made it clear you couldn’t use magic in the tva headquarters. He used magic while not there
Loki before: God of mischief
Loki now: God of idiots.
In the first Avengers movie, Captain America had his hands full with fighting Loki until reinforcements came. And now he can' t fight three normal humans with shock batons?
Yup
didn't they said Loki had no power in the TVA, so no ice giant strengh, not projection and go on ?
@@VGSpoonium His brute strength is still terrifying, he doesn't need magic or ice powers.
And even then Loki was just toying with Cap.
@@VGSpoonium strength would be apart of his physiology and not power's no?
Don’t forget that every woman storm trooper fought only men and threw them around and Lady Loki only fought men storm troopers killing every one of them. Oh yeah and didn’t take the first punch too.
I mean lady loki literally kidnaps a lady stormtrooper
The Ultimate sign of being an incel is somehow noticing that shit.
@@houselemuellan8756 when it happens multiple times in a row, you know, like a pattern, you begin to notice it. By the end of the show it did become difficult to _not_ notice it.
@@houselemuellan8756 the ultimate sign of being impressionable is repeating internet slang like "incel".
Was there more then one named hunter tough? I'd just boil that down to her being a named character in a marvel show so of course she wins against grunts.
I loved how all the questions of the series were answered in a 20 min power point presentation at the end!!
Amazing super hero story telling stuff!
Yeah, pretty disappointed with that one. It felt so forced and unorganic, like they were explaining it solely because they had to explain it, not because it made sense in universe. Really annoyed by the Miss Minutes part, felt a bit unnecessary considering what we got next was another helping of exposition, so they should have just removed the talking clock.
It's because the writer s are crap and they had to try to fill all the plot holes.
@@cyberleaderandy1 i think it's more because the series is just setting up some MCU shit later on which i really don't like. can't they just make the series stand on its own instead of explaining the next MCU bad guy in it with a PowerPoint
Not really. This isn't wandavision
The ending fucking sucked
This is literally the Loki in Avengers 1 btw. How tf did they manage to butcher his character THIS bad?
??? he had one of the best character developments in the entire mcu
@Kryptoskillet so even though he basically smiled at people dying and because he saw his mother being killed by thanos it makes him good...? he saw his mother die in the second thor movie which didn't make him good dying doesn't make him good either it just means he would want to alter the timeline to change that.
@@thephoenix4093 1. The mind stone was affecting him throughout Avengers. 2. He recognized that he was dealing with a much bigger power that knew him from the inside out, his history, and his future. Not hard to think about why he would concede so easily
@@tatremy not the avengers the Thor movie Loki literally smiled at Jane foster almost dying and sent the armor to kill innocent people and his own brother when he had no powers he is EVIL that's the point of the redemption arc that he had he became good he wasn't good all along.
@@thephoenix4093 doesnt really negate my point. When you’re dealing with a much bigger, more powerful source after spending your entire life thinking you’re better than everyone else, of course you’re going to concede and change. Mans had his whole reality flipped upside down and found out how nearly everyone he loved and cared about would eventually die including himself. No one in his position would stay the same after finding that out. Plus, Im pretty sure that thor says somewhere along the line that there was always good in loki. His redemption arc wasnt his character completely changing IMO. It was him coming to terms with his true self.
This is the era of great actors and bad scripts
Uhm... no.
Look at Mulan 2020.
@@slevinchannel7589 great actors, WOKE scripts perhaps
@@RiseAgainst369 really don't think there was anything "woke" in this besides admitting a prince who lived for thousands of the years in the past probably slept with men and women like in our own earth. So not really woke, more just truthful
I think ever since The Force Awakens, Disney become so woke with Ma-Rey Sue. And then, MCU tries to become "Girl Power" ever since Captain Marvel appeared. *Insert Slow Motion Leelo Laugh*
@Damian Rubio he isn't. The fact his female counterpart shoving him aside to steal his thunder as the important character betrays the script writer's agenda to project woman as dominant. This is a rising trend.
Tom wasn't even the star of his own show. They made him weak
He’s a man. What did you expect!?
@@gzz8551 *white man
Hes been weak for many years.
that wasnt even the loki who was in 2012 .so what to exept
Wow, you didn't even get the most significant aspect of Lokis character. He's so arrogant and narcissistic he overestimates his significance and power all the time. He gets humbled over and over in every movie. By Thor, by the Hulk, even by an old german man.
Alligator Loki was the only character I really liked and connected with.
Lo más triste es que creo que el alligator, cómo Sylvie y otros Loki que no se vieran como Tom, no tendrían que existir. Si existe una sola posibilidad, una sagrada línea de tiempo sola, es en la que Loki nace y se ve como Tom Hiddleston. No puede existir un Loki mujer o alligator cómo está explicado en la serie, Ya que, sus eventos Nexus o "alerta de variante" para la TVA fue, en el caso del alligator, comer un gato. Sería más factible que el evento Nexus fuese haberse convertido en alligator.
Hernán Ezequiel Verón okey
Owen Wilson
@@spicy9116 I love Owen Wilson (who doesn't), but the feminist diversity hires turned him into a puss. His character is the kind of guy who gets cheated on and says "What did I do wrong, my queen?!"
I was surprised when i saw old Loki (aka real Loki) that's what we should have had from jump.
lol watch season 2
Why does it looks like a terrible fanfiction made by a Loki's fangirl shipping her own self-insert mary-sue OC with Loki?
Edit: yes, there are actually fangirls who likes to see their husbandos more submissive, I'm one of them...
My thoughts exactly. Along with some cringe, on-the-nose, amateurish dialogue.
because it is
Not true Loki fangirls Adore Loki, if anything the show by a fangirl would show Loki as invincible, unstoppable, and smarter than all
@@neath6341 Lol it's actually true, check the director and how, quote “it was very important to me, and my goal, to acknowledge Loki was bisexual”. No wonder shite hits the fan with people like this in the industry.
Because those sniveling rejects grew up and got jobs in Hollywood. That's exactly what it is.
Also why didn’t he ever make himself some proper Loki clothes? Once he was away from the tva he could have made himself a new outfit. He literally complained about fine asgardian leather. But the. He’s just in an office outfit the rest of the show. I was expecting a cool new costume by the end like the last two shows. But nope, not for Loki
It’s funny how the “I Voted” Loki was plastered on the banner on Disney+ but he’s only in two scenes. Kind of weird
I have an answer, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY THE LIMELIGHT FROM EVERYONE'S FAVORITE LADY LOKI.
I'm glad I wasnt the only one bothered by this... I really disliked a lot of outfits in this show.
The blue outfitted officers? Looks like an amature made them. The Young Loki variant? His outfit was super clean and looked weirdly/cheaply assembled, while the other Loki variants outfits were dirty and rugged. Loki got an office outfit, and Siv got a superior outfit.
A small thing, but it bugged me, I'm thinking they had different designers on the set that didnt collaborate
@@ayushman3359 Same thing here. They were gonna allow Loki to upstage their precious Sylvie
The Megalomaniac Ego of Loki would have never tolerated walking around dressed like a janitor.
The only thing that bothers me is how weak Loki is in his own show...
They try to make him emotional thats why he's weak as a jelly
Writer said he'll "explore" it in s2....i usually don't get my hopes up for marvel but I'm really interested in seeing lokis full potential
@@alencia7203 They had all the opportunity to "explore" his powers in this and they didn't
As Loki would say "are you ever going to *not* fall for that?"
@@malzo1701 well ask that to writer, he answers things on Twitter.....maybe they introduced classic loki to show lokis true potential....i actually liked the slow scenes with his development by seeing and experiencing things
@@alencia7203 they have no plan going forward, and just recently decided to have a meeting about were they are going to go with all of this. They are pulling the same shit they did with Star Wars.
"I don't enjoy hurting people"
-The Norse God of Chaos unironically.
“I don’t enjoy hurting people” the man who taunted black widow for being a mass murderer
Okay but seriously, can we just let women be actual villains without needing to have some pseudo-sympathetic backstory?
Those villains make for some of the most iconic characters in media, And, right now, women aren't allowed to participate in that because they always have to be morally half-good.
*Edit* for everyone saying "no one is born evil":
Yes, in real life this is true. However, whether it's Jauffre in GOT, or Palpatine, or hell, if we expand our scope and include anime, there's a flood of awesome villains in fiction who are just huge dicks. That's because there are many ways to write a good villain. Them being realistic and being morally grey is not the only way to do that.
Honestly, as far as Disney goes, no. They seem to have a serious aversion to depicting a female character who is evil for its own sake any more, like Maleficent in “Sleeping Beauty.” They’re all now victims of something which forced them to make evil choices and would otherwise have been totally normal women. Check every modern Disney product; it’s the same in every case. Makes you wonder...
@@trenauldo black widow is also an example of this with Taskmaster.
And possibly Wanda would be the main villain in Dr Strange 2 after we learn her backstory of her still grieving of her android boyfriend and the lost of her kids.
True omg, Karli was boring as fuck, same with Taskmaster who didn’t even had a line of dialogue, I suppose Agatha was fine on that area. She really felt like a power hungry witch who didn’t felt too Sympathetic to me. But then again even she has a unnecessary sad back story.
It's insane how they tried to make Karli sympathetic.
I mean, falling for himself is the most in-character thing Loki could ever do
Yeah tbh he's a depraved omnisexual. His original lore is all about that. Like the time he turned into a horse and got knocked up by a mare...yeah, this is totally in character.
True
The ultimate narcissism.
Narcissism is in-character for Loki, but is masochism? Also, afaik, he wasn't an omnisexual - his original lore was where he turned into a female horse to lure off Odin's horse. He underestimated how fast he would be pursued and got 'taken advantage of' by the horse, and got knocked up in the process, unintentionally. It was clearly a tale to mock Loki and enjoy his discomfort, told by the hypermasculine Norse (who identified with Thor, seeing Loki as a tricky weakling lacking masculinity).
@@Ergeniz and there you fools go again; cherry picking the lore when it suits you
So you're telling me having every single character arc be nullified by the end and having a random character who's never ever been shown or mentioned on-screen talk for 25min straight in the season finale which didn't have any conclusions whatsoever ISN'T exactly what you wanted??
curious...
To be perfectly fair, Not-Kang/He-Who-Remains was clearly meant to be a setup for S2 so if you're complaining about that, you're being irrational.
Well said, Zachary.
Well said Edward
@@Longshanks1690 who fuking cares if theres a season 2 when this character ruined the last 10 years of character development?
well said both Zach and Edward
Here's what I expected from the show.
The TVA keeps the various timelines from descending into chaos. Loki gets the time stone and irresponsibly goes back to various points in history - dodging the TVA with clever tricks and manipulations (because they can't act too openly).
Ancient Greece, China, Egypt, Europe etc. His meddling muddles the timelines, creating new branches. Owen Wilson is the TVA's best agent and comes close to stopping him many times.
As the show progresses, Loki is gradually touched by the events he witnesses in the places he goes and finally comes to terms with the consequences of his actions when Wilson finally traps him. He then sets out to make amends but things have spiralled out of control and he needs to convince the other variants of himself to join in and help unravel his own mischief. (segue into season 2)
What would make Loki want to turn a new path?
If only they let you direct it, the series would turn out way better
@@thanosnoctem4473 I'm no director - that takes a supreme amount of skill. But a good director/showrunner gets ideas from wherever they can and make the best of it.
Sadly, those in charge of Loki didn't.
@@drsiege3434 Yeah I agree. But the idea is still creative. Even vaguely implemented, this would have been so much more better ngl
this is exactly what I expected, especially from the trailer, but no, we got this waste of time instead
This wasn't Loki at all, especially a 2012 Avengers Loki. This was a Simp Loki and absolutely no version of any Loki would ever be this horrendously well-intended.
How dare you! Disney/Marvel are simply subverting your expectations!
This is about Loki taking the meaning "Love Yourself" too seriously.
Loki has been neutered for a very, very long time now. He stopped being an interesting character once he stopped being evil.
Bro he developed and didn’t act like the 2012 Loki because he isn’t the 2012 Loki. He can change within the show you know. I mean when he first shows up in the show he was very much the Loki from avengers and changes throughout the show to become a different version of himself.
Yeah he feels like a completely different character in this show, and not in a good way...
Drinker, Loki falling in love with himself is the most Loki thing he could have possibly done
It’s low key (no pun intended) incest.
yeh you look like you'd think that lmao
@@BruceWayne-fj9bm How is it incest to have sex with yourself? I'm pretty sure its more like selfcest (if that's even a thing). I would still be really interested to see what would come of their relationship though.
@@emz1412 selfcest is a thing
Asexual?
"Fuck off Falcon". the greatest line so far.
Then why don't you do better? Lol
If only someone controlled enough stock to tell Bob Iger to do that and take his host of not-so-merry maladroits with him. I used to think KK was the problem, but clearly she would be on the street with 2 weeks severance, the wages of gross incompetence if he didn't approve every offensive thing she did.
“Yea they blow up and kill innocent people, but We gotta stop calling them terrorists” - Falcon.
@@jezebulls HA!!
Imagine a sci-fi show in which Loki is a Spike from Buffy kind of character - which lets face it - thats what he always was until now - forced to team up on at least one story arc along side Lady Sith from Thor and Agents of Shield
Two clashing personality types
Two characters with room to grow
Greyness of a villain redemption or even just being evil as well and Sith
So much potiential for Sith - she should have had a bigger role
It seems that Disney and Netflix are currently locked in an arms race, where they are fighting to see which one can churn out the most diverse/pro-feminism/pro-lgbt shows, but the only thing they are really accomplishing, is getting in a tie for the worst quality content being released.
In Loki, for example, it’s disheartening to see the wasted potential of two massively good actors - Hiddleton and Owen Wilson - being bogged down by such a horribly written story. It’s like seeing two sports cars aching to throttle up and zoom away, but they can’t, because the road is made of wet manure.
Wilson is always a pleasure to watch and he seemed to be enjoying his character
@@BitmapFrogs No, don’t get me wrong, Wilson is okay. He really was giving the best performance he could. The problem is with the show as a whole.
The wet manure analogy is accurate.
Look, the problem is not the feminism or the lgbtq, it’s bad writing…all of this is like a competition of which can attract more viewers, and they use all of the above not in a natural and organic way, but in a forced one, trying to attract more viewers by how “woke” they are… and this is even annoying for the minorities and target audience they want to please. The quantity over quality mentality combined with this makes what could have been a great show kind of a disappointment
@@mime514 My thoughts exactly. The problem is not the diversity, it´s the bad quality.
The only dangerous and unpredictable Loki variant was the alligator, probably Marvel will make a spinoff with him and Groot and Rocket. LoL
Careful, there's not enough representation.
Id watch that
Sounds more entertaining than the eternals
Richard E Grant Loki was also pretty awesome when he created Asgard
I can see it as a Star Trek Lower Decks tier Rick & Morty animated rip off
Lady Loki: "It's not about you!" Yep, and that's the problem. Loki's own show isn't even about him
Girls get it done though. Even the only male TVA guy gets whooped by the girls lol.
but she is he so it is?
kekw shit level bait
@@rear9259 no thats not Loki. Thats Sylvie, feminist equivalent of Loki
BUT IT IS!!!
Shame in the comics loki is a heavy hitter, Ignoring his magic even in just raw strength some of his feats such as lifting a car one handed and throwing it.
'Cause he's a god.
I have waited ever since this show started for the critical drinkers video on it
Well to be fair a lot of characters are more powerful in the comics than the movies and shows
@@davecullins1606 what im implying is that they turned him into a joke.
Yep. He could stay competitive with Thor in the first movie (maybe not beat him but just going a round means he should wipe the floor with any non-enhanced humans).
This show is perfect if you hate Loki. Which... I don't! So it's a slap in the face of every Loki fan.
It's great that they gave Loki character development after all these years, but it seemed so.. rushed. Like the God of Mischief isn't going to change into a whole-hearted protagonist in just two episodes. And the fact that most of his development was due to a 'girl variant' of himself is kind of dumb. The way they made those two kiss ended up being really uncomfortable. Plus the end of the show left me looking forward to absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Well, looking back on my own experiences, it is exactly that what changes us most.
Sudden, undeniable realization of reality and seeing the own flaws in another person while loving other parts at the same time, always leads to intensification of the inner conflicts until they surface into consciousness and demand change.
Change of habit takes time, yes, but realization of a persons own habits happens in an instant. If that realisation is contrasting enough, change of habit also changes in an instant.
Like discovering a cheating partner, finding love, god, scientific explanations, or just plainly intuitive insight like "This drug is not helping me".
Especially in situations where time is not been given in abundance.
this Loki didn't even had reason to be developed since he escaped right after the 2012 battle, he should have stayed a villainous bastard
@@levnzt6949 But you cannot make a statement like this without completely ignoring Loki’s character traits. What do we know about him up to Avengers 1 (which he is directly ripped from)? Loki is vindictive, cunning, self-interested, egotistical, cruel, tyrannical, flamboyant, among many other things. What is much more likely in a scenario in which Loki is shown his future events is that he sees them, realizes that he has made mistakes and declares “You’ve already told me that I’m not really this man. Therefore I won’t make the same mistakes he made.” And then he will continue to work toward his goals doing things differently knowing the outcomes.
This is a complete assassination of Loki’s character whether his tears convinced you or not, because the show tries to say that Loki NEVER wanted to hurt anyone in the first place, that it’s somehow all an act when the people who actually watched Avengers know that that’s bullshit. This Loki attempted to conquer Earth in Thanos’ name, he murdered 80 people in two days, he gleefully ripped the eyeball from a man in front of hundreds of terrified people, he was going to execute an old man for standing up to him, he set the Hulk loose on the helicarrier, he managed to threaten Black Widow so badly that she felt compromised in her mission, when Thor offers him a chance at redemption IN THE MIDDLE of the Battle of New York, Loki stabs him in the chest.
This is so drastically different from Loki in Ragnarok who received FIVE FILMS of character development and STILL had to rescue and help people in a manner that was self-gratifying.
@@Daily_Bassist Let's also not forget that even in his character development, the idea of having power always lingered. Leading to him taking the tesseract.
It's not bad that he has a change of heart at the end, but what lead up to it makes him out to be such a dog on a leash, and it's embarrassingly inconsistent.
I agree the kids was awkward I kind of wish they didn’t fall in love but that does seem like something loki would do, literally fall in love with himself lol. Yeah but your just watching it like 😬😳
In the end I actually still really liked the show. I think the marvel shows are ok. I rank them like this.
I’d say I really like top three
Best
1.) moonknight
2.)Loki
3.) Hawkeye
4.) WandaVision
5.) Falcon winter soldier
Worst
They didn't even let Owen Wilson have a win at the end with a stick, he just gets his ass kicked ffs
The way he charged at her was so stupid like you've been doing this for thousands of years and have known her for thousands of years but that's the best effort you can put up in a fight
Woman power bruv
And most importantly, he didn't get his jet ski. It would be a bitter sweet ending if he got his jet ski and said: "Wow!"
But thankfully, there's Season 2 of the show so hope he gets it soon.
he's a data analyst, she's a field agent that got promoted to judge. idk why you thought he was coming out on top
@@davidnm83 wilson hasn't trained in combat, he's an analysist. Also he's not used to fighting women, especially one he knows and like.
Frost giants in first thor movie: sneakily kills Asgardian soldiers in brutal and quick ways.
Loki in this show who is a frost giant: gets beat up by random guy in a shop
Also Loki the *frost* giant: get shivers from a cold wind and conjures a blanket...
that random guy was under control of a Frost Giant. He wasn't trying to fight, he was trying to talk. And DNA doesn't make someone's skills automatically, he (probably) wasn't trained in that type of fighting.
Tom Hiddleston: "I am Loki, of Asgard. And I am burdened with glorious purpose!"
Scriptwriters: "Um, yeah, about that ... have a seat ..."
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 maybe but it's still a pretty piss poor explanation. That's like a little kid fighting a body builder and engaging first, sure the body builder isn't interested in fighting or killing a child but the child will still get clapped regardless it's just rlly bad writing that makes Loki such a weakling
@Keith Marshall dinosaur is a barney.
Loki is the best thing to happen to MCU after season 2. Why haven’t you touched on the greatness of Loki now?
MCU is dead. It's time to move on.
Loki season 2 is dogshit.
He hasnt touched in the greatness of loki because there isnt any
@@Eisenbisonthe mcu still makes more money than any other movies that are released apart from avatar
It was great, explain how it wasn't@@Fauwkes
@@shockwave826 it completely character assassinates loki by making him gullible, incompetent, naive and ultimately fucking useless
2012 Loki: Killed bunch of people on Earth, didn't care about anyone but himself, was prepared to kill his own brother to achieve his goal, was borderline evil.
also 2012 Loki: i'M jUst mIsuNdErStOoD
@David Chenet "theory"
@David Chenet That's such a stupid thing to say in 3rd party source material. He acted like he was acting in Thor 1.
If you remember in Thor 1 when Loki sent destroyer after Thor, he said: "Ensure that my brother doesn't return. Destroy everything". Not to mention his plot to gain father's favor, to destroy an entire planet, etc. Loki is not misunderstood anti-hero, he is villain. And we liked him as villain.
Yes, he got redemption arc, but it was over a long period of time, a lot of suffering and mistakes. Not after watching a slideshow of what his future self went through.
In the first Thor Loki kills his biological father Laufey then tries to genocide his biological species by destroying their home planet. Seems several degrees more evil than trying to kill his step-brother, Thor.
But he is just misunderstood, you don't get it.
They do a good job of explaining in the show his actions and Mobius calls him on it several times. And if you follow his MCU arc its not hard to see it.
“What is the TVA?” Easy. The Tennessee Valley Authority.
Every time they mentioned the tva I thought about dams.
From East TN....Maybe the Tennessee Valley Authority is a variant of the TVA in Loki? Surely the TVA in Loki, if made up of a bunch of variants, also has (TVA) variants.
Jason Isbell fan?
I thought the same thing when I first heard the TVA was going to be a part of the show!
Yep, the guys who put most of my family's land under water.
It really does feel like loki is a regular guy in this show. Kinda miss the loki in avengers and thor 1 who was alot more godlike.
I liked it because it was a humbling experience for him to realize A: he's not the "best" Loki and B: there is a LOT of shit he doesn't know that C: he is very much outmatched by.
Loki is more interesting with character growth. People complain a lot about his character arc in the MCU and the show, but a character that remains stagnant through a multitude of pretty massive experiences (failures and all) is both extremely unrealistic and would get boring/old.
The fandom will never be satisfied because everyone has their own headcannon of "proper" Loki and will dislike anything outside of that. This fandom is literally as dumb as the Star Wars fandom. People are so fucking dramatic lol.
@@DefconDelta88 you described pretty much standard character journey. Thing is, Loki is not standard hero/villan whatever. That’s the point.
@@cinqueqwerty interesting, then what would you say, is he?
@@DefconDelta88 Not the best Loki is a bit subjective. But seriously, the character growth was fine, even though much of it happened very briefly from watching the highlight reels of his potential future. The problem is that his capabilities and basic sense were sorely lacking. They're worse than me playing a D&D character on 2 hours of sleep.
He was generally several steps behind everyone and everything, while making unbelievably dumb decisions just because the plot says so.
Why is Loki pointlessly drawing attention to himself and blowing their cover on the train? How are they so easily defeated on the train in the first place when they have a lifetime of training and can tank blasts that could greatly incapacity(or likely kill) the inhabitants of that world?
Maybe next season he won't get worfed so much and can do a bit more.
@@DefconDelta88 ... Still ... This version of Loki was definitely less intelligent and far more gullible ... Plus it seems TVA has mostly humans, and based on the 1st Avengers movie, they shouldn't have a chance against him in hand to hand combat.
I agree with you everytime, drinker, but not on this one... and please watch S2, it makes everything from S1 make so much sense
Considering how shit these marvel tv shows are i wonder if anyone is excited about the Blade series?
I was when it was announced but seeing how these shows have turned out im not so confident anymore.
It’s going to be a movie
The bad guys are gonna be some white cops
There was already a blade series...and it was fucking terrible
Ah shit. Don't do it to Blade. He already got fucked by Blade 3.
@@dariusgreysun dude, now that you bring it up, I think they had one on Spike. I may have watched like 5 mins.
The fact that Natasha sacrificed herself for paperweights.
Yeh I was thinking about this. And Vision too.
Cry
You don’t know much about the stones then do you ?
They only work in their universe...the TVA is supposed to be outside of time and space. That is why they don't work
@@Elsinnombre-ez5dn To be fair, neither do the writers of this show.
that fucking opening slayed me.....
Me too, it made me laugh so much!
Drinker’s creativity is beyond our imagination
Slayed Scarlett's head as well.
I've got a feeling we're gonna see Marvel slam it's proverbial head into the table many times in the near future.
It had me in god damned stiches!
Everyone seemed pretty cynical and nit picked the fuck out the writing as if it weren’t a series with way more to unpack. I enjoyed the 2nd season just as much as the 1st, if not more. Y’all need lil more patience
Drinker: "Loki is just a side character in his own show."
Me: Sooooo, kinda like Picard than?? 🤔🤔
Real tired of this crap, i didn't watch a series called *"LOKI"* for female loki, the random TVA characters i don't care about, or Owen Wilson's character, or ANY of them to take up 90% of the dialogue and screentime! what a frickin rip off, WandaVision and TFAWS weren't as bad in this way!
Honestly Picard was way more important in Picard compared to Loki
@@webbedshadow2601 Your comment reminds me of the Crystal Lake Memories documentary; particularily the section on Freddy vs Jason.
There were multiple scripts being written for that film; and one of them featured a new character named Dominic Necros, a Freddy cult leader.
Jeff Katz, who was an executive at New Line Cinema goes and says, "I wouldn't pay for a ticket to see a character named Dominic Necros in a film about Freddy and Jason duking it out."
You didn't pay for a streaming service to watch a female Loki, in a series called LOKI; so I get ya. 😊😊
@@playthehighnote1122 Well, I only watched the first three or four episodes anyways. Picard hadn't left Earth when I stopped watching it; but from everything I've heard about it from other commentators, they all seemed to say the same thing: Picard was a side character in his own show. 🤔🤔
Well, people watched Mad Max even though he's not the main character. Granted, never been a fan.
I watched Avengers yesterday... Loki's whole shtick is that if he subdued humanity he can save them by removing their free will. Surely if they had turned that tables on Loki and caused him to have an existential crisis that was more than just pictures, then it may have been more believable
Yes, that may have been more believable but don't call me Shirley!
Watching Avengers vs Loki opened my eyes as to how they basically characterized him as Ragnarok Loki and he never spoke about Thanos. Loki was pale and sallow and vicious but he gets chumped by Sif kneeling him in the balls for hours wtffff
Well SPOILER he did side with the crazy time dude that kinda took away free will
It’s really sad how much potential there was for the series to be good instead of a podcast with not so amazing fight scenes…
@@vanstoutenburg8932 it's hollow because he's a completely different character. But I am excited for the Kangz because Jonathan Majors just chewed the scene.
Loki written out of his own show. He got the John Snow treatment.
hes a man so....
@@herloss448 A hwite man at that...
jon snow the man supposed to end the wights was upstaged by a teen girl out of nowhere.
its not jon snows show lol
Bruh moment
As both an MCU and comics Loki fan with enormous appreciation for Tom Hiddleston’s portrayal of Loki throughout the years… thank you. THANK YOU. This show may have driven the plot of the MCU forward, but it made a mockery of Loki (and Hiddleston) in the process
Odin to the Drinker: “Are you the god of getting hammered?”
Odin to Drinker: the power was always within you
The drinker could could out drink Thor
Drinker to Odin: No, thats your wife.
Could he be the Greek Wine God's counterpart?
"It was me, Dionysus!"
Tom really plays Loki well, but man this show has writing issues...it feels like a AU (alternate universe) fanfiction.
yes, like teen girl looks at Loki and said "i loved it, i wanna be like him but waaaay better, so listen what i wrote...."
plot twist..... it is.
And being a time-travel/cross-time story, it's both externally AND internally AU. :)
He's a great actor. But honestly I cringed way too many times with him crying all the time, crying hugging Owen Wilson and worst of all his _"I'm chilly"_ blanket moment.
It was a *very* different version of the Loki character. Played well, sure. But not really Loki imo.
@@hellowell3743 honestly i don't mind the crying.
You're missing the big picture - Disney has to set up the ability for the franchise to remove all conclusive story lines. Need a new Spider-Man because the old actor's contract ran out? Easy. Multi-verse. Fans hated the story direction you went with one of your main characters? No problems, multi-verse it.
Fans hated the story direction of your multi-verse story? Multi-ver-
Uh...
remove all stakes? no problem, multi-verse.
Too lazy to be bothered to write a compelling narrative full of character building, world building, and serious tension between characters? Multi-verse it.
Or since this is Disney: Fans like a show and they wanna see a conclusive ending?
HAAAAA!!!!!!!! Multiverse it
So the whole point of the show is just a plot point in the story of the mcu.
Lmfaooo critical drinker is just yapping loki was the best thing marvel ever created dude needs to write a story because he clearly doesn't know how they work
Considering that Rick and Morty mocked the MCU, you'd think they'd stray from copying it.
Edit: Most likes I've ever gotten by the way, so thanks!
both equally shit writing, so it doesn't matter.
@@PNWAffliction from the start or eventually on Rick and Morty?
@@PNWAffliction Yeah they basically did the same thing from the previous season. Like the whole Identity thing, or the orgy episode in season 5 that talks about toxic relationship, which reminded me about the episode of rick fucking a planet or something. it's just the same thing being rehash over and over again, and not to mention the whole woke thing was pump to eleven and it's not even funny, just straight up preachy.
@@PNWAffliction Rick and Morty, shit writing? I'm sorry but you obviously don't know enough about how creative writing works if you believe that. One or two episodes are diminished by bad writing from time to time but what series doesn't have that?
@@PNWAffliction Nah Rick and Morty built different
A character that outsmarted anyone except his brother Thor now becomes a side character who is kind of smart but not really.
The best parts of this show was learning that Loki survived Endgame and Richard E Grant's performance as old man Loki
@Joseph Ellis bruh almost every villain in phase 1 and 2 have died lol
@Joseph Ellis Natasha is dead forever we still aren’t sure what exactly is going on with vision and captain Americana and iron man are dead and gamora has been reset so basically a new character
@@kellenbailey4761 Uh? Punctuation has a purpose.
And Owen Wilson
@@kellenbailey4761 dont forget ancient one, pietro, heimdal, odin, friga, warriors 3, and yandu. But yeah, they dont kill anyone, they didnt even kill uncle ben. Lmao
Disagree. I enjoyed this show. The second season really had a good full circle call back to his growth.
"I'm just gonna sit down with a beer and watch it all burn"
_this fuckin' awesome lad
Just learn to enjoy the decline.
@@wormfood83 Well, just as long as you're not at the receiving end of it. XD
I mean say what you will about marvel movies of the past but the entire "phase 4" schedule of whatever they're calling it is is completely fucked. Nothing but garbage from here on out is all I see.
And I'll grab a chair and join him.
Generation X anthem, right here.
Hey, remember how many times the time-slowing ability of those batons was used?
Yeah, once. Good job Marvel.
i liked the show but things like that piss me off
This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Female Loki somehow knows how to fight them since she was little
Don’t think, just consume
Everyone was shocked when I decided I hated the Loki show. I everyone knows I’m a die hard Loki *simp* and they destroyed everything about him I loved! His strong personality his sense of self worth, ability to fight, his powers, his strange dichotomy of unbelievably smart and unbearably naïveté and even his character development where he’s no longer selfish and the good his mother planted in him as a traumatized child had an opportunity to flourish.
Man, not being invested in anything Marvel's made in the past year has been the best feeling I've had in a long time.
I checked out at some point after Dr. Strange. Good thing I was never much of a tv or movie guy.
Yup, just laughing at the execution was entertaining enough
Same, I used to be obsessed with the MCU, but with the current crap they have been putting out lately, I’ve gotten bored of it and have no interest in what comes next.
Despite being the self proclaimed God of Mischief Loki rarely makes use of mischief, subterfuge or deception. Mobius the office drone was more mischievous than Loki and repeated out manoeuvred him
@@gunrodkaew4089 Uh, maybe because everyone else is at least kind of similar to their comic book counterparts? Or probably because the MCU is based off of characters from the COMIC BOOKS? Are you seriously asking why were confused as to why the character isn’t acting like his comic book counterpart??
@@gunrodkaew4089 Because he's pathetic. Like half the MCU.
@@gunrodkaew4089 Idk Dude, The betrayals, the constant flip flopping of allegiances taken for his own self preservation, attempting to replace his Father, and the other few times he actually used his ability to copy another's likeness... He has plenty of examples of being mischievous, and they were his best moments, because it made him this unpredictable Wild Card.
@@TheHeartThatRunsCold in fact, Mischievousness was the only excuse I could see for most of what the Movie Loki did... Lord of Chaos..
Owen Wilson was one of the bright spots in this whole mess. Moebius also started out strong as a seemingly weak character who was able to manipulate Loki. It's all downhill after the first episode.
Did he just change the title from “Loki is absolute trash” to “Loki-Slow, Tedious, etc”? Lmaoo😂
Yep 😂
Yes lol yes he did 🤣
you noticed too? haha
Demonitized Intensifies.
He did and within 10 mins from me watch it, haha
Tom is such a great strong actor, yet he's been used so poorly in this show
Remember in The Avengers, Loki could hold a fight against cap, even almost win the fight until Tony blasted him?
Well I think marvel doesn't.
Dumb and lazy writing. Imagine if the Russo brothers got a hand of writing this
In 1st scene when B-15 hits Loki
Loki was taken by surprise and the small hit was a time loop
Beaten by Lady Sif is a reference to Norse Mythology
And he wasn't trying to kill Sylvie in the final episode but he did well
@@jayant3082 In other words they made LOKI a Bit*h in his own show and made him look weak just so that a female can shine. Lol give me a break. Could've done it in seaon 2.
They nerfed him so bad ,maybe because he saw all the shit in his life idk
Spiderman has punched Hulk into space ,Loki possessed Sifs reincarnated body just to troll Thor, Thanos gets beaten up by squirrel girl and rode a helicopter Marvel has always been random.
Loki for me is a 0/10, because Owen Wilson didn’t say “wow” once 😤
Imagine at the end when he got kicked to the ground and the paton taken away he just laid there and said " woooow "
Perfect wow moment.
Hey we still have another season lol
Wowen Wilson
They turn Loki, a complex, intelligent, funny, charismatic, and dangerous character into a lovesick Arnold Rimmer.
I'm not joking.
Thank you! All through this calamity Loki reminded me of someone/something i could not quite place, it was old Rimmsy all along!
@@waldorfmcvitty4854 Arrogant, talkative, overconfident, untrustworthy (Loki traits) and then he's wildly incompetent, overwhelmed, weirdly stupid, and everyone's laughing at him (Rimmer).
"This man is not guilty of
manslaughter. He's only guilty of surviving Endgame. That is
his crime. It is also his punishment. Defence rests."
Rimmer: She used to call me Rimmer.
Lister: Rimmer, everyone called you Rimmer.
Rimmer: It was the way she said it. Rimmer. Rimmer to rhyme with scum.
that's what his character arc is meant to be, villanious to a kind person
They emasculated Loki and turned him into a bumbling sniveling simp. This version of Loki is insulting in every way possible.
It would've been interesting if he betrayed Sylvie in the very end, revealing that it was all an act and that she effectively did his dirty work for him. Then everything would work in context - he's manipulating her way more than she's controlling and overshadowing him.
@@mrgreenboy644 Yes! The show would've been amazing and Loki would still be Loki. But of course, we all know the producers and writers will never let that happen. Its The Sylvie Show after all
@@mrgreenboy644 I swear he backstabs her in s2