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Ah yes the superior Loki who unleashed loki's season 2's villain while the male Loki and Mobius became the voices of reason during the finale against the diverse villains/anti heroes like the tva judge, female loki and he who remains. There's definitely a message in the Loki finale.(sarcasm)
@@khaylittle8286 i doubt it would be, while MCU writing isn't the best, the reviews done aren't great by this channel, other channels cover reviews better. And most of the MCU videos here pretty much either misrepresent the project or some other reviewer has covered it's problems better without the strawman of sjw Hollywood (when he reviews about only a fraction of modern Hollywood compared to what actual reviewers review and represents the badly written stuff as the majority).
No matter how much you hate this show, you have to give props to Oscar Isaac for absolutely carrying the show. I almost forgot that Marc and Steven are the same person.
I think he was cast as Solid Snake for good reasons. Never before I would picture him playing a brunette brooding operative and a hammy blond English man in the same film. I do now.
Too be fair, Steven is carrying the show with his bubbly personality and his naivity. And his transformation to Mr Knight is hillarious! Even Marc roasted him by saying: "Why do we look like a psycho Colonel Sanders?" And he stupidly threw the gun in episode One when he got chased by the cult on ice cream truck. I also glad that Layla doesn't have much screen times and most of the time Marc and Steven overshadowed her along with Khonsu and Fabio Ethan Hawke (I know his name is Arthur Harrow but he reminds me of Fabio with that wig). Even in Episode 5, she's clearly absent and she completely gone in the finale after fighting Fabio Ethan Hawke.
i found her most frustrating when, as steven lay dying in a tomb with a bullet in the chest she somehow “escaped” but also infiltrated the small group…. as if the villain couldn’t just smell her being so damn close in the desert
@@margarethmichelina5146 not really he was basically ruined in the sixth episode aside from his scenes as Mr Knight Marc Spector became the only good thing about it.
Drinker, I look forward to listening to your analyses, but if I'm honest, you're a tad bit off your game. It sounds like you skimmed the show because the usual comments I tend to agree with you on, isn't true for this series... Both characters are useful. The female character isn't all strong and even in her fight scenes she needs help. Egyptian gods are different to the created marvel ones, ie. Not omnipotent, yes, the cgi is lacking and theres a lot of green screen. But it really felt like you flicked through these eps. Your reviews I usually find spot on, this is the first time I'm strongly disagreeing. But then again we are allowed our opinions. Even if they don't make us popular. Well, that's all for now. Cheers.
I agree, have been following the drinker for a long time, i have always agreed with him, but recently i feel he just keeps trashing most that comes from marvel. Granting, most MCU shows arent realy oscar level, but now I actually felt that we were given a fresh character with an actual character development with such depth on a personal level. IMO MCU made two brave decisions recently, making a previous likable hero a full blown murderous villain and exploring mental health issues .
@@radicalman7304 if you read carefully, i said most MCU films aren't oscar level/ oscar worthy. I didn't say Moon Knight was oscar worthy, if that's what you're getting at.
"aren't you gods or something?" -- well, ancient cultures gods were rarely omniscient, they all had limitations. Even at the end, in ancient Egyptian mythology, when your heart was weighed for your sins you could kinda trick it to not condemn you with spells from the Book of the dead. Omniscience and omnipotence is more of a monotheistic thing.
Just reread the Illiad and the Odyssey and I am so IRRITATED with the Gods. Key issue, Zeus says Troy has never failed to give him honor and rich sacrifices, but to heck with that. Minor goddess (Achilles' mom) weeps on his knees and he decides to let Troy be crushed. Who would worship gods like that? Well, I guess any civilization whose desperately searching for meaning in a world they just DO NOT understand. Poor ancestors.
Marvel while hiring writers and directors for their shows: 1. Must be 6 episodes no more no less 2. Don't reveal anything major to the story until the end of ep 4. 3. Spend entire ep. 5 with just some filler story that doesn't move the plot forward. 4. End with a Big CGI Fight. 5. MUST INCLUDE THE MESSAGE.
These new Marvel shows only make me appreciate Netflix's Daredevil more with each year. It was so good and the complete opposite of these overblown by-the-numbers attempts. Great gritty action, complex characters, terrifying villains, human drama intertwined in a tense story with actual stakes. A blind guy with a black scarf fighting a fat guy in a white tuxedo in some dark alley was more exciting than Egyptian gods battling over the fate of the world.
@@edstringer1138 It’s crazy that no Disney mcu show is ever touching daredevil. I don’t think any superhero show in general is surprising what that show achieved.
On the one hand, they've been spending a lot of time in the show trying to build the mental illness aspect of the character as a big deal and a vital part of his development, but then they end it with questioning whether or not any of that developing accomplished anything. I think the instinct to go big picture whenever the subject of heroes with even a remote connection to mythical deities and turn in into big spectacle also hurts this show because Moon Knight is not that kind of character. He works best as a street level character struggling with his eternal connection to Khonshu, and throwing everything else in to make it fit a mold only hurts the result. Not the worst thing they've done, but it feel a lot more cookie cutter than a character this nuanced should be. We're not likely to ever see anything as unique and specific as what Netflix did with shows like Daredevil and Luke Cage, because anything they would do with those characters here would just result in the same homogenous fit everything seems to fall into.
One of the main problems with these phase 4 shows is that they set up all kinds of things, just to abandon them almost immediately and pretend they where never even set up. The concept of Stephen/Marc/Moon Knight has huge potential, but ultimately it doesn't matter at all, because the show called Moon Knight is all about setting up Layla as "The Egyptian Superhero." With phase 4 Disney/Marvel are playing the same trick over and over again: use superhero X to introduce Strong Female Character who turns out to be the replacement of superhero X.
To this day I believe Moon Knight should have been a rated R show and they should have gone all out with it. However that wouldn't have made the show's sloppiness in EP 5 & 6 any better
Spot on, glad someone mentioned that Moonknight is more of a street level character. Would have loved to have seen how the writers/directors that did Daredevil series would have handled the character. Instead we get this cookie cutter TV show made for the braindead viewer who simultaneously scrolls their Twitter feed as they watch TV because they have the mental capacity and attention span of a lobotomised Hermit Crab.
Steven Grant is like a coping mechanism he doesn't remember any of the abusive things his Mom did to him. The personality that took all the beatings and had all the anger is revealed in the post credits scene of the last episode Jake lochley is more violent and is definitely the one who takes control and goes on the rampages that we see the aftermath of
@@svenjohanns8393 was absolutely not a twist, he's been teased since the first episode and everyone familiar with the character was waiting for him to show up
@@shadowspider9 even still, it’s not even that hard of a twist to begin with since he was hinted at since the start, some people just don’t pay attention enough and it shows
As far as i saw, Marc was taking control of the body to kill everyone, seeing how the god (cant spell his name) was talking to Steven during the fight scenes, with Marc asking for it back and the last episodes where even Marc was unaware that someone else took control, meaning it was done later on when they saw the memory.
"In the world of Marvel, the idea of telling a single self-contained story with a definitive beginning, middle, and end is like garlic to a vampire" Oh my god, that is so fricking true!
Which is why Moonknight and Shang Chi earned extra points from me. They were simple stories about a man struggling to understand himself. Kind of like the movie that kickstarted the MCU in the first place. XD
I really enjoyed Moon Knight. The female character wasn't as offensive as some from other shows. I liked the change from Steven to Mark and back again. I usually agree with most of your opinions but this one actually had me hooked and looking forward to the next episode. Much better than Loki, Falcon, Wanda and it'll be much better than Ms Marvel. I'm glad I ignored all the spoilers, dodged Az and Gary's assessment and made up my own mind. Actually worth viewing without prejudice or bias.
Exactly, what they did with Moon Knight was alright at least better than other marvel series. The only exception from Loki for me was seeing Kang also like actor who played him.
Based........the show was atleast a 7/10 even if it wasn't 100% faithfully adapted from the comics ........ doesn't matter how much haters try to ridicule it , Oscar Isaacs acting alone makes it much better than other Marvel shows
I like the part where Morbius shows up and fights Ash Ketchum inside Hogwarts. Really expands the Marvel universe and adds depth to the character of Moon Knight.
The part where he had to battle against the gym leader Morbus to obtain the morbium badge was by far the most heart-morbing scene. Can't get enough of the show
Not gonna lie, I was enjoying the heck out of this show until the end. Because you can’t have a show where there is a single superhero with his own powers and story. We need to add in that his love interest has powers that she never earns or struggles to control. We have to add in a massive Kaiju battle, that takes everything out of the story. We watch Mark and Steven struggle to control the Moon Knight and find balance with each other for 5 to 6 episodes basically. But then his girlfriend can just temporarily make a deal to get generic Falcon wings and say, “Yes, I am a female Egyptian superhero” (insert Event Horizon screaming)
I completely agree, all the setup in the first five episodes feels like it was wasted on the last one. Marc/Steven died? No problem! Steven is consumed by the sands? No problem! Khonshu is imprisoned? No problem! There wasn’t even any real conflict between Layla and Marc over her father, it just felt like they had way too many loose ends and tied them all up really clumsily in too short a time period (one episode which was actually shorter than most of the others)
I agree for a Disney moon knight was very cool I kinda like that Steven isn't a billionaire and the changes they made weren't to bad but Steven and Mark should have been the only ones fighting and have them black out and we get more hints to Jake
I like the theory that Jake Lockley is the personality that Steven Grant created to protect him from abuse. That’s why he’s even harder and tougher than Mark. They both don’t know about Jake’s existence so they think Steven was the coping mechanism.
I disagree. Steven's whole point is about he is totally free from misery and abuse Marc suffered in childhood. I believe that Jake was created by Marc when he reached the breaking point, that he had enough and decided to hit life back. His violence stemmed from the fact that his life was so awful it seemed unfair, so he seeks justice, or rather, vengeance, to vent his anger and feel better about himself. Thus, Jake was born and his twisted sense of justice is what made him the perfect avatar for Khonshu. I like to think that deep down Marc wanted a parental figure who could guide him, support him, and tells him he is awesome. As Jake Lockley, he found all of that in Khonshu who sic him on every bad guy and probably pats him in the back for doing it.
@@korawitbuttramee618 So, kind of like what the fake Harrow said about the idea of Marc being created by Steven? I like the idea, but that leaves a plot-hole. If Steven was created by Marc to escape from the abuse, then why did Steven not remember their mom beating them? Did Marc switch back in right after their mom busted in? Why switch to Steven to escape only to be thrown right back into it to protect him? We see that Marc remembers this beating, but what happened at other points? Because, sadly, I doubt that was the only time it happened. The theory presented by the original comment solves a couple of things. We see Steven has a strong streak of denial when there is something negative in his life, so if he was fronting when they were abused he probably repressed it. That would explain why he was still successful as a protector. Jake's creation probably happened in a similar manner to that and Steven's own creation, during a traumatic memory that was repressed or strictly avoided. Marc was begging Steven not to go into that memory, not just for Steven's sake, but because it forced Marc to relive that trauma. Steven might remember creating Jake, but because the memory is traumatic he avoids it like Marc avoids his. Only this time with more denial, and benefitted by Jake seemingly not wanting to communicate with them. It would also explain why Marc doesn't know about Jake as Marc didn't create him and Steven refuses to look at that memory. This is probably way too long, but I was passionate about it lol. Thank you for your time if you read this all!
@@kcpugh5601 my interpretation: Marc was the original personality. For a time, he took his mother's abuse, eventually he created Steven (the infantilized, naïve, mother's-boy, he imagined his mother wished he was) as a sort of buffer. When the violence stopped, Steven would come to the surface, having no memory of the abuse, Marc could rest, until the trauma had faded enough for him to return. As the violence became too much for Marc to bear, Jake was born out of the snarling revenge fantasy, which Marc experienced as a sort of blackout, until he eventually took the 'hand-off' from Steven later. One thing that is very odd to me, is how the credit scene actually changes the audience's perception of the events of the show. It isn't clear from the video whether Drinker has even seen it. But, anyone who missed it thinks that Ammit/Harrow is still alive. That's unlike any credit scene in the MCU, as far as I know. Also an open question is, why was Harrow in what physically appeared to be the same asylum? If he was alive, and this was a real asylum, does that mean Steven/Marc/Jake were committed there, at some point? Otherwise, where did they get the mental imagery, to project it onto their experience of the afterlife?
I’m sorta late to the party. I binge watched the whole show last night while high, and I LOVED it. I usually agree with this guy on his reviews but this one seems like a bad take.
I didn’t mind the show. I don’t think it’s terrible but it didn’t feel like moon knight. The only thing I really hated was the finale. How do you skip the finally battle with the villain onscreen? That was annoying
Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke’s performances were rock solid. The season had everything going for it until they shat the bed with the last episode. Your grilled cheese/banana sandwich analogy was on point.
One episode doesn’t ruin a season for me. It also wasn’t that terrible, but it wasn’t great either and I half expected a giant cgi battle because it’s Marvel. I was right. However, the rest of the season was fantastic.
Episodes 3-5 were okay at best. They were lazy, predictable and poorly written. It's just that TV shows keep you hooked with the prospect of a cool finale, so when episode 6 came out, it carried all the weight of the show's bad writing
@@lolltaylor uhhh maybe, but what happens when that awful episode (cough cough ep 6) undermines, contradicts, and ignores everything the show established, thereby retroactively getting rid of what little sense it still made?
The whole Asylum aspect. "Is this real or just in Marc's head?" Should have been saved for a Season 2 and not wasted like they did for those last episodes. They didn't even attempt to give us one whole episode of doubt. Since the episode prior already revealed it's hand that the Asylum isn't real. Imagine getting this globetrotting action adventure with a "not so stable" Hero. Saving the world from a threat no one really seems to acknowledge. Only for Season 2 to open with him in the insane asylum. Where most every prominent character from Season 1 gets repurposed as staff or inmates. Where the whole Season then revolves around Marc trying to figure out if Season 1 was all just in his head, or if some evil God has trapped his mind and is trying to turn NYC into an Egyptian tomb. (Read Moon Knight [2016] issues #1-14, to see what I mean.)
@@GodwynDi That could have also worked and been great. Also if they intended to make this Series a one off (it's the MCU so I doubt that). It could have been cool if there would never be a proper reveal that it was real or not. Maybe Marc was just beating up a cult leader but there were never any actual gods involved (outside maybe Khonsu).
It's like I said in another comment; the show really is let down by it's pacing. It really felt like they were rushing to throw in ideas all over the place before the second season instead of taking a few ideas at a time and developing them. They had a rushed romantic subplot with Steven and Layla, they had a rushed introducing Khonshu and the Gods (they could have introduced it in the second season instead and focused more on Mark instead of cataclysmic titan battles or petty rivalries among gods) and they rushed the Asylum plot point.
Moon Knight should have had Daredevil’s tone with excellent writing to make it work, he was Marvel’s version of Batman in the comics and it’s a shame they did him dirty in this series.
honestly at this point there’s no shows worth watching anymore, because the teams and studios don’t even try, they just make a pile of garbage with social messages and call it a day
I agree with everything except one thing: While it might seem that Steven should be a damaged psychopath for taking all the abuse from his mother, this is explained in the post-credit scene of the last episode by the existence of Jake Lockley, who is a third personality and CLEARLY the psychopath that has been killing people during Steven and Marc's black outs. So it is suggested that while Marc invented Steven to take the punishment from his mother, Steven in turn invented Jake to do it. And Jake is properly psychotic.
I thought it was kind of interesting how Mark had the perspective he was protecting Steven, I think this was a further coping mechanism to feel in control. Honestly I agree with some of the Drinker's comments and Steven was by far way too much in the spotlight for me but over all I really like the show.... especially compared to the other spinoffs.
how typical, they put an important part of this characters information in a post credit scene that no one would watch instead of making it the whole last episode as a teaser for season 2. the post credit shit should have been the intro of red scarab but ya know, its like the drinker said.
@@Parasiteve I mean, it was hinted at in episode 3, episode 4, episode 5, conclusion to the harrow fight in 6 ... you'd have to be blind at that point not to get it.
Find myself disagreeing with Drinker for the first time here. Definitely the show had some problems and I felt they didn't push the boundaries as much as they could but it wasn't all that terrible for me, a lot better than most of what Disney plus puts out. Marc was very much the muscle and Steven the brains. Steven was the one who was able to piece together certain clues like the star navigation thing they did. So I disagree that he was useless. Also Layla wasn't all that generic for me. She was capable because of her history in the business, I believe, but was also vulnerable and emotional in some moments without making it all about her feelings. She wasn't arrogant And I distinctly remember her being rescued by the Moon Knight before and after she got her powers so there was mutual saving. I never got the impression that she was a better avatar than Marc, even Konshou through out the idea of her replacing him. And she only taught him the spell because one of the dying gods taught her first not because she's just better
@@adamoshea2793 I think that is fair towards Disney because they didn’t initially believe in tgis project or any of the Marvel Franchises going forward with Iron Man but when they started making money they did what any billion dollar corporation would do and threw money at them so that they coyld make more projects like this, the problem comes from when they have too much influence over the projects and take out any meaningful things like plot points, interesting characterizations, and morals. Moon Knight actually has become my favorite Marvel property in a long while cause it doesn’t connect to anything else it’s just pure fun from the ground up and that’s how superhero movies used to be. It’s not as good as shows like “Heroes” or “Daredevil”, but it comes pretty close to doing it’s own thing despite how it plays into the “MCU” tropes. And a lot of people like the MCU for a reason, and that is that it usually is good at entertaining folks, whereas most other Disney projects fail in that regard these days with almost everything being made to fit “political agendas” and appease other countries strict rules more than the one where the film is made. In simpler terms if they want to be diverse they’ll just last minute add a female or “any race other than white” character to a movie or project, and if other countries have a problem they’ll remove that character or all promotional material containing anything “controversial”.
I agree that it wasn’t as bad at the Drinker made it out to be for the same reasons u listed above. I think the show wasn’t really good, but it could have been worse. I know fight scenes definitely needed a reworking. Moon Knight fights were way too fast; anything brutal he did was watered down, and there was barely any impact for any of it (in episode 3, the guy broke an arm, a kneecap, and a neck, but there was so little impact to those shots that the untrained eye could have never noticed them). Mr. Knight could get away with this in episode 6 because his fighting style is more non-lethal, so he could move faster without any disconnect in the fight scenes, but Moon Knight combat wasn’t very fitting of the pace of the fight at all. It was too fast, and I hated it. Additionally, I feel that the Drinker was right with Ammit’s beliefs vs Khonshu’s. There was no reasoning or counter reasoning for any of it. And in the end, I will concede that the wrong person convinced Marc not to kill. Layla killed a bunch of mfs. Why was she the one who convinced Marc not to kill Harrow? Steven should have done that, not Layla. Steven is the non-lethal one
I genuinely think you overstate the “strong female character” aspects of this show. I understand why “the message” is bad for storycraft, but it’ll be interesting to see if your reviews start overstating those elements because your expecting/looking for them in certain properties.
The problem comes down to two things: - High quality writing can't be mass-produced to a schedule. - You can't entertain people and scold them at the same time.
@@ShadowSonic2 Drinker has explained many, many times the difference between compelling and poor character development. The fact that your only response to ALL of that analysis is a mindless SJW brain-fart, tells us you are not a person worth listening to.
I can’t really agree with the idea that Steven is useless because… he isn’t. He’s key to overcoming multiple obstacles in the way, which makes Mark and Steven compliment each other since they can cover the other’s shortcomings.
@@BWMagus this he was insufferable and I feel like writers goal was to super contrast him with Marc and Jake but Jesus man the whole clumsy bumbling smart idiot thing was annoying and not endearing and it really makes you go "why did they change a perfectly functionally character backstory and mythos
@tido almond ironically I think the argument of it not being realistic is pathetic and I kind of think it's hilarious now when people superimpose their wants desires and messages on comics, people use the well it doesn't make sense argument. What makes sense to me is adhering to The Source material and Mythos that made the IP popular in the first place and worth adapting. What makes sense to me is a show called Moon night being about Moon night and showing this character semi-regular. What makes sense to me is TV show based on a comic book not being responsible for accurately depicting DID, it's as asinine as critiquing the joker and harley Quinns relationship for not being healthy and bad influence.
@tido almond It makes sense to you to watch a comic book show but it not be portrayed as it was in the comic book world? Interesting, I didn’t read this comic nor watch the show. But I would say for the IP’s I do enjoy, I find it very frustrating when someone changes something drastically about the character. For instance Luke Skywalker throwing his father’s lightsaber into the ocean, or even having the slightest thought of murdering his nephew in his sleep. They could have found away for this character to be a billionaire, struggle with his disorder, and not be a walking joke.
@tido almond Well I can see your point, as stated I haven’t read the comic or watched the show so I’m uninformed and am only commenting on my experience with IPs. I think the gripe people may have and anyone can correct me if I’m wrong. Isn’t so much that he’s not starting the show rich, but rather the butt of the joke.
I have always found that the drinker was sensical and generally right but to me it seems like he is getting overly jaded and can’t see the value in moon knight and I love this show and I think he refuses to enjoy things at this point which I find sad and hope he finds joy in something because I only see him as upset which is for views or genuine and both are sad
The drinker is completely crazy this days. He has taken a good show (altrough the last episode was bad) and is complaining about things that have nothing to do with nothing. Like complaining about Steven personality (like wtf, so according to him no man can be portrayted as weak even if this same man real personality is stronger) or about Layla. She was one of the best original female characters in recent years, exactly because she gets beat up all the time and needs be saved by Marc too, not just the opposite. She literaly have the same personality as Ripley. So they say that a female characters needs to have flaws. Layla have, but they still complains like children, is weird man.
Nah its because he didn't like the show. His top gun maverick review has him gleaming with joy. People are allowed to dislike what they want to just because he dislikes moon knight doesn't mean hes depressed.
As a woman, I can never relate to these "Strong" Female ""characters."" Their flaws are so insignificant that they have no struggle, there is just NOTHING to latch onto. Just white noise on white noise. How is any mortal supposed to find common ground with these know-it-all strongest-of-strong goddesses?? On the rare occasion they lose, they just get stronger. There aren't any character arches to follow. Just circles of narcissism. In short, I find the stereotypical females whom use "like" as the majority of their vocabulary to be far less obnoxious than "STRONGWAHMAN#55."
I think you missed the end credit scene where they introduced Jake Lockley. They make it abundantly clear that Jake not Steven was created to take the beatings. This is hinted at when Steven says "this is my room but I don't remember any of this". Steven on the other hand was created to live a blissfully happy life (for the most part) thinking his mother loved him and stuff. Marc exists to live with the guilt of the errors he made
Yeah, I still see people wondering why Steven couldn't remember the beatings if he was there, but the fact that he tells Marc "I want to know what happened", as Marc pulls him out of the room is definite proof that Steven was never hit. It was either Marc, or Jake (more likely Jake Lockley).
It was really weird putting the end of the show as a post credit scene. In my opinion that scene should have been part of the episode, not a separate end credit scene.
@@yannickvaz694 The only problem with that theory is that Marc knows about the abuse down to what happened in the room. That means either HE experienced the abuse or, if Jake experienced it, Marc should technically know about Jake. And it appears he doesn't.
I actually like Moon Knight the most out of all the new Marvel shows. They did, of course, manage to fuck it up a bit in the final episode, as is the tradition. I personally don't see most of the things you mention as negatives. Without knowing anything about the comics prior to watching the show, I believed Steven's personality to be purposefully exagerrated to highlight the differences to Marc's. They might have overdone it, I suppose, but the idea of one personality being useless was fun to me. His usefulness also improved as the show progressed. As far as Layla goes, she was OK and I liked how different her interactions were with Marc and Steven. They seem to make a good team, rather than her being the allpowerful female stereotype of recent years. She gets to be a superhero for a bit, that didn't bother me too much. That one line was very cringey, though. By the way, I'm pretty sure Steven is the personality that believes his mother has always been kind and is still alive. He exists so that a part of Marc can have a normal life.
Here's my questions to you then, if they did such a good job of Marc & Steven. What does Marc think of his situation come the end of the show? What does Steven think of his situation come the end of the show? If there's one thing the comic was brilliant at above all else, was to reflect the characters internal monologue and perspectives to the reader. If the character was deceived, so we're we. If the character felt something about a situation, that was delivered to the reader with the clarity of an internal monologue with your own mind. It also depicted a relationship between God & servant really well, which also falls massively short in this show. Tremendous writing it was. This show just doesn't come close to achieving that.
I really enjoyed moon knight. It’s something a lot different from the MCU that we haven’t seen in awhile. I had a few complaints but this is definitely the best show we’ve gotten so far from the MCU. I even thought Layla was a decent character. This show kept me invested through every minute and I loved it. I didn’t think it was messy and I hope we can get more Moon Knight with a couple of the downsides fixed.
Yeah, to be honest it was actually not that bad compared to the rest of the MCU shows, and the story actually made sense due to the fact that magic is already pre-established in the MCU. Additionally I actually disagree with the Drinker on this one, while flawed I personally don't believe that it was a waste of a good character, I think Marvel is slowly learning how to properly utilize characters without all the political pandering.
You're absolutely right, I have to give this video a dislike, I wish I could give more for all the bullshit he said. I first saw the title of this video before actually watching the show and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I wish it have a Daredevil treatment on the fight scenes. I can't get pass to his rant regarding the Layla character. She's one of the descent female character in the MCU.
In terms of the split personality thing. It really is so that when Children develope a split personality due to parental abuse or trauma, those personalities often are devote or childish, because the mind thinks that someone that isn't violent at all is less likely to receive further abuse. This is actually something that they got right from a psycho medical perspective. Agreed on almost everything else though
Except that there really isn't a scientific consensus on split personalities. There's not even really any evidence of their existence, let alone their causes or treatments. Nor is it likely that a single brain could even house multiple personalities. Obviously there is some sort of mental issues going on. But the whole multiple personality thing is really overplayed by Hollywood.
@@casthedemon agreed that it is over simplified in movies, but the disease itself is very well documented and part of studies. Since we all don't use our brain to the fullest it is entirely possible that the brain has enough resources for something as complex as split personalities, although it surely doesn't work like shown in Movies as I said
Was hoping for a Mr Robot like esque portrayal of his split personality disorder, mixed in with Daredevil action, and we got a very PG13, watered down execution. It's average, but not terrible. Other shows just did a better job at what it tried to explore
The real question though is : Is any of this surprising? If the rumors about Ahe-Hulk are anything to go by, it'll make this series look like Schindler's List
I've heard there going with older she hulks personality sassy knows she's hot and loves every second of being she hulk I really hope so case Jen is probably my favorite member of the hulks Rick is a close second
This is one of the first times I’ve actually disagreed with the drinker so thoroughly. The finale definitely sucked, and Layla being yet another female superhero who’s thrown in for representation was also very frustrating. However the show throws in so much good stuff that overall I thought it was a fantastic show. First of all out of all the female characters in the MCU, I would argue that Layla was actually decently well written. While her turning into a super hero at the end for no reason was kinda stupid, she’s much more empathetic and rounded than other female characters. She really cares about Mark and wants to help him and grow their relationship instead of just getting a job done with him. I was also ok with the fact that moon knight didn’t get much screen time. What separated moon knight from other marvel shows was its emphasis of the characters and their emotions. The show was almost like a drama about Steven and mark, with a subplot about the end of the world. I also don’t think that Steven was a particularly poorly written character. People with DID are often really weird, and also very deserving of empathy, which was kind of the whole point of Steven. Steven is literally born from trauma, a fabrication of his own brain, so being a fidgety, wimpy character is perfectly understandable. Steven wasn’t supposed to be a tougher version of mark, he was supposed to be the happy part of mark. Instead of making Steven the trauma holder, marks brain made Steven the host, and mark the trauma holder. Mark remembers all of the abuse and trauma of his childhood, while Steven, who’s literal purpose is to be normal enough to survive in daily life, is literally marks opposite. Innocent, odd, carefree, and kind. Steven and his purpose is a perfectly realistic alter irl, and that’s what makes the show so magical. DID is an incredibly difficult disorder that can be life-crippling and super disheartening. Compared to the rest of the internet, Moon Knight did a decent job portraying the struggles of a person with DID. While most other marvel shows are focused on action, feminism, and representation, moon knight focused solely on the characters and their emotions, making it more relatable and understandable than your average action movie. Overall, while it wasn’t perfect, I was happy with the production of moon knight.
Just one disagreement, Layla didn't ask for powers from Tawaret until it was absolutely necessary. Drinker likes to shit on women taking up erstwhile male heroes mantles, but when there's an entirely new female hero (Layla doesn't have powers in the comics), he shits on that too. Damned if you do, damned if you don't 🤷🏻♂️
I agree, this was one of my favorite Disney+ shows yet. Steven was loads of fun, Marc was badass, Jake was scary badass! Layla was well written and entertaining. The representation of DID was better than anything ever done before, except one glaring mistake. If Steven's purpose was to be the "happy one", then he should have appeared *after* the abuse in order to not remember it. Jake should have been the one to appear when the mother entered the room. Jake should hold the trauma, Steven should be blissfully unaware and Marc is man in the middle trying to hold the balance. I don't know what Drinker wanted out a female character in this show, or any show or film for that matter. Does he think "The only good woman is a silent woman"? Maybe make a woman character that does nothing but sit at the man's feet and agree with everything he says? Sounds like a boring character.
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Wanda is pretty explicitly treated as bad, I don't really know what you're talking about. Just because a villain can garner sympathy does not make them not bad.
@@ricknaturalls2065 I would tend to disagree, evidenced by The way they write other characters that interact with her. Nearly every core character she interacts with is written to point out how she's either brave and strong for giving up her pretend family and fantasy world, or how she's strong because she's lost so much but still keeps trying to do things for others. There's building a sympathetic badguy (for example the bloody Baron from the Witcher. Not a good guy by any means, but you know he hated what he is, tried to fix his mistakes, and the story never tried to spin his actions in a good light.) and then there's uncomfortably trying to force the audience to be okay with a character doing evil things because other characters in the story say it's okay and make excuses for them.
Here’s 2 fun facts: 1.The Scarlet Scarab is a male villain in the Marvel comics, but in the show he’s a female superhero-I’m sorry an Egyptian superhero 2.The heart trick Tawaret uses is actually based off of Anubis’ technique to judge the persons merit in life.
On that note why Tawaret judging souls of the dead and not Anubis? And why does an Egyptian goddess sounds and acts like an airheaded English socialite?
@@Wolfman7870 it’s either because they didn’t bother to check their sources or because they thought that as long as the character said they were Egyptian nobody would question anything from gods to voices
I should point out that in context of the Moon Knight TV series, Anubis was mentioned as one of the gods trapped in a statue like Khonshu and so Tawaret replaced Anubis in the underworld since Anubis was imprisoned. Also Fun Fact: Marc Spector didn't suffer from child abuse in any of the comics. In fact the opposite, Marc Spector actually beat and abused his Dad in the comics for being pathetic loser and embarrassment. In the bulk of Moon Knight comics, Marc Spector's mental health issues come from the guilt and regret of killing innocent people for fun/money in his mercenary past. The whole point of Moon Knight was that he was a terrible person who was betrayed by Bushman (an even worse person), dies, and gets reborn into a superhero to redeem his past. They do reference this in Episode 5 of the Moon Knight series, by having Arthur Harrow mention that "Maybe Marc's Steven Grant persona was created as a way to hide from the guilt of murdering innocent people in his mercenary past and start a new life from scratch". (Which is exactly how it happened in the comics, until a 2018 comic retcon that said Marc's mental health issues come from witnessing a family friend murder a kid in his basement).
As someone who hasn't read the comics, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the show. The final Kaiju battle was kinda dumb and the writing could have easily been better. But overall as a first time viewer of the character, I thought the show was quite fun and much better than Marvel's past shows like Loki or WandaVision.
@@hinamatsuro1908 Whenever Marvel does these big CGI fights they always look really silly. It probably would have been better if they cut it and made the fight purely between Harrow and MK.
For me Moon Knight doesn't re-invent the wheel, but it doesn't have to. Compared to most mcu series thus far, it's one of the top tiers. I thought I would be incredibly bored watching it a second time but it felt as good as the first time watching it.
At this point, I really feel for Oscar Isaac. He seems like a very competent actor that just wants to be in good roles, but because of his contract and agent (I'm sure) he's pretty much forced to continue doing business for Disney. Even after that colossal fuck up that was the Star Wars sequels. It was clear he was fed up with that shit for a while.
na man, hes out. he made that very clear before the show started. something about golden handcuffs. so why even bother with this show? bc phase 4 is all fucked u. most of the budget prob went to him, which is why we didnt see the REAL Moonknight suit but a few mins all together? lol. and hes been in a ton of movies btw. u really shouldn't feel sorry for a famous rich actor, that can do anything he wants short of buying an island. no hate, jmo. obviously u can feel sorry for anybody u want.
@@georgevanhoose6333 Oscar Isaac definitely isn’t going to suffer from taking this job, the show is been reasonably popular, most of the people who watched it liked it, and they particularly like Oscar’s acting. If you take one look at any social media or talk to anyone who isn’t a fan of this show then you’ll see that most people don’t have such a pessimistic view of the entertainment industry
The series wasn’t horrible. The acting was decent. But here is my problem: Moon Knight isn’t Moon Knight. I’ve been a fan of Moon Knight since Werewolf by Night #32 and he has always been a street level vigilante with supernatural undertones, not a bulletproof glowing eyed mummy. I applaud marvel for pulling him out of the archives, but he belongs gritty and dark, with Daredevil, not an Avenger level nutcase. Sorry Marvel…. D+
All this high stakes, high-powered stuff could work if they didn't lead with it like they were trying to make a movie instead of a show. If you told me it was originally meant to be a movie, I'd believe it because the first 2 episodes felt like they just stretched out one episode out into the length of 2 Now that god battle is over, what do they even do with the character?
This is why YoungRippa said, “Don’t cheer when you hear them announce that your favorite characters are being adapted for the big screen. Just prepare yourselves to see the legacy of that character to be ruined and the character to be unrecognizable in the adaptation”
This is the one time that almost everything you said about "strong female character" (being Layla here) is absolute utter bs. She isn't your typical smug character like others. She had way more personality than your recent female Marvel characters. She had all rights to be pissed at Marc. She wasn't smartest in the room. Literally asking for help of Steven on multiple occasions. It's clear she had worked with Marc before in some sort of missions, so of course she will be capable of fighting. She gets rescued by Marc on multiple occasions. Or Moon Knight. Just like some of the people in the comments pointed out. When she becomes an Avatar for Taweret she was basically on par with Marc/Steven/Moon Knight. And she was much weaker than the third personality of Marc/Steven. She knew how to perform the ritual, cuz Taweret, the goddess herself told her how to. The one thing that made absolutely no sense is how she didn't notice anything wrong with Marc before meeting Steven.
Yes. AND the fact that she doesn't know magic exited after Mark tell her in ep 4. By the way she acts, she seem like she barely aware how the suit works and she at best she presume it work like iron man. The way she looked at it, she and her husband with a magic suit went on an adventure to get a bug, then he ghosted her for nearly a year for no reason. Then one day he just called her in british accent. Then he acted like a mind wiped dude. It's truely odd that she didn't pick up Mark strange behavior. But some what understanable
Also, just like Moon Knight, she doesn't have much screen time. In episode 1, we only heard her voice through her phone, in episode 5, she's not appearing since it's focus of Marc's backstory, in episode 6, she's compeletely gone after Marc and Steven punished Fabio Ethan Hawke to the purgatory asylum and they never explained what happen to her. How did she not know that her husband has a DID personality? Probably they are married too quickly and they both have poor communications. She even doesn't want to be Taweret's Avatar completely and she's even struggling to fight the blind zombie mummy alone as she almost died and even traumatized.
I didn't expected much from the show so I was pleasantly surprised that it didn't suck. I thought it was quite a good use of a lesser known character. Also strong female wasn't obnoxious so didn't hate her.
You know the sad thing is, if Disney marvel actually took time to properly write and develop their “strong female characters” into actual characters, this wouldn’t be an issue. But it seems they don’t give two shits about that as long as they check off a few diversity boxes. “Not Caucasian?” Check. Gay? Check. Send it. The result is exactly the opposite of what viewers want. We don’t care if a character is similar to what we are. If I’m a overweight gay toaster I don’t really care if a overweight gay toaster is in a movie. I want well written plot, developed characters and a decent story. But hey - as long as marvel keeps printing money with this shit it’s gonna continue.
here is a cliff notes on the agenda, 1 replace white man with black man or White feminist woman, 2 replace black man or White feminist woman with black lesbian woman, 3 replace black lesbian woman with trans-man, 4 replace trans-man with androgynous cyborg, 5 you are in the matrix. your body is stored in a big plastic tube, The A.I.s control your reality.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Well, there was that Indian man, but yeah, it was majority koreans which still means "diversity" i.e. no one white, I guess, thus the green light.
I wouldn't call Layla a "Strong Female Character", unlike so many others that I can name. That scene where she tries to deal with the priests at Ammit's Tomb shows her struggling to get away from them, to the point that she had to trick the priest to fall into the hole, and nearly falling down herself in the process. She even cried afterwards, presumably from the stress of dealing with them in the first place. She even broke down and cried when her husband got shot by Ethan's character (Arthur Harrow) which gave her the motivation to go after his cult herself. The Scarlet Scrab thing should be hopefully temporary, and even so, she didn't do as much in the fight as Marc did. Then again, neither of them, not even Khonshu and Ammit did a lot in the fighting, even Marc and Layla got cornered by Harrow and his men, before Jake comes out and beats the crap out of them In short, I think that for a main female character, Layla is a bit more balanced, and in some scenes, well written. At the very least, she wasn't as unbearable as say, Sylvie, Carol, Karli, Wanda(In WandaVision and MoM) and others that I forgot. Of course, I do not expect everyone here to share the same views, so it's fine, I just think Layla is a much better female character than most in the recent Phase 4 of the MCU.
Yeah I have to agree and I commented something similar on his most recent video. I think he's a expecting too much to see "Strong Female Character" to realize where the differences are. I mean here, she's his wife and just wants to know what the hell is going on because Mark left her in the dark. She's capable but not overpowered and most of the time she was saving it was saving Steven who's genuinely the one who's so weak. It's not like she really saved Mark. Also worth noting... she never really won legitimately or if she did was really for the reason that she's a main character. Like it was evident that Ethan Hawk was basically toying with them the entire time and it's evidenced when he just pulled a gun and shot Mark outright after he was sufficiently standing in his way. Two in the chest and that's it. And she was completely helpless to it too. She couldn't do shit. And her superpower part was explicitly temporary with her deal as per the agreement: "Just for this" and when she did tell Mark how to do that spell she was told how via that goddess so it's not like something SHE knew. She was even successfully tempted by Ethan Hawk so realistically she "lost" that battle of wills with him. So I kind of don't agree with his take here really.
@@buddermonger2000 Exactly. Most of what the Drinker and other critics is on point, but the "Strong Female Character" argument won't apply to Moon Knight. It applies to everything else in Phase 4 thou
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Yeah it's just been shit. However I'll always enjoy Moon Knight for having the balls to have its main Villain just shoot the hero. Like come on he's just a normal dude. Shoot him. And here... he does. It does do a fairly good job at making Ethan Hawke feel entirely in control too. Issue is more just poor execution on ideas arguably from studio rigidity as it is almost as formulaic as the rest.
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Even then it looks like they were kind of fighting it in making the kaiju battle in the background to parallel with the more grounded fight between the main characters.
The "Are you an Egyptian superhero?" thing is the most pathetically 'performative progressive' thing that Marvel is always doing. Every culture on Earth has thousands of years of their own heroes, myths, and stories and all these American studios and companies are like "Nah they don't count unless they're a secondary character in a thing WE can make money off of. Comic book movies/shows are the highest honor for every culture on Earth."
Agree. Just "are you a superhero" would have done the same thing. But no "nationality: had to be put in there. As if you cannot relate to a character without having the same nationality. I am neither american or blonde or blue yed but captain america is my favorite one
catering to ethnicities is the cringiest things that I hate in entertainment industry since the industry is the second biggest influence on the population after the internet.Why is a superhero/hero is supposed to be black,white,american,mexican,indian or egyptian.Why is the protagonist supposed to be a male,female/lgbtq . Why can't we ignore these medieval concepts of past in the real world & in the imaginary world of cinema where everything that exists is in our control we forget ethinicites at all. Why can't we have a protagonist/superhero/hero just be *A HERO* . I never saw falcon as a blackmale superhero, I saw falcon as .....FALCON. I never saw captain america a white male american. I saw captain america as CAPTAIN AMERICA the first avenger.....despite the name being captain america. I don't want an indian superhero doing bollywood dance & making india proud(eternals), I just want a hero. I don't look for the country,ethinicity of the actor that I'm never gonna meet playing a character, I look at the character and chew on popcorn. I watch movies for escapism...not to be lectured
@@apetogetherstrong4243 you hit the nail on the head. They always tell us that we should look past ethnicity but then they always just make it about ethnicity
Frankly, I'm glad they DID make it clear it wasn't just all a dream. Honestly, I think the whole "Duhhh it's all just a dream" twist is the dumbest and most uncreative "twist" anyone can put in a movie. If it's all just a dream than there's no stakes anymore: it doesn't matter who succeeds or fails, and it's impossible to get invested since anything can happen.
Mark and Steven are the first new characters from phase 4 that I legitimately cared for and liked. Mark being the strong warrior and Steven being the smart detective is cool dynamic that I really hope they expand upon. But Layla is stupid I hate her.
yeah i think he has seen so much bad things in everything that he only sees bad things in everything. Overall this show was better than any that came before and after till now (yes talking about you miss marvel)
Honestly I think the wife should have been kept out and we focused me on the dynamic between Mark and Steven because I think that worked really well. Imagine if we had Mark teaching Steve how to us the powers he had as Mark struggled to even get control for a moment, then we end with both being balanced
at least early on or something. If I could use special powers and was tasked with something important to do, but had to share my body with someone, I would at least *try* to get them to not be utterly worthless when using those powers and try to build up some trust with them instead of just trying to bully them into giving up control on the off-chance they actually do it
@@higherchd1 how is that sexism? The wife is legit the weakest character in the show to me, doesn't mean I'm sexist, it means she was just poorly written
@@higherchd1 'the woman' Thats all you see her as. Quite literally. She's a ticked box, not a character. You're so sexist you can't even project it without firing the beam into your own face
For me, I really liked the show. Oscar Isaac was great, and the portrayal of DID was also very good. I almost always agree with The Critical Drinker, but I’m gonna have to disagree this time.
I personally really enjoyed Moon Knight. Ethan Hawke was brilliant!!! Yeah I usually agree with you man but I'm at opposites here. I liked Stevens character he was amusing, annoying sure but still entertaining to watch. Also, Steven was the meek innocent one because Mark wanted to keep part of him pure, happy, blissful and such. Where he would keep the gruffness and the pain, torment etc. I even thought they didn't go too hard with the strong female character shit this time, yes it was there but I didn't think it was bad, she hadn't only been looking at ancient Egypt shit 5 mins like you said it established that she was well versed in that stuff and re-enforced it a few times. She reads the stuff in Stevens room, her mom (I think) making the passports the convos they have. I wonder if you're just suffering from the marvel fatigue bro. I certainly have had that before. I haven't seen all the tv shows, but moon knight I certainly enjoyed the most out of the ones I have seen. Punisher, daredevil and moon knight 🔥
@@nwoyeochajeffery7060 100%. I thought she was a decent character :) Ethan Hawke was a bit wasted but he did a GREAT job. He was my favourite thing about it all.
@@superadambomb5834 100% would you like to see the villain Harrow bought back somehow? I would but I don't see how they could bring him back in a good way. :/ Still, I'd be hype for more either way.
@@thatoneguychad420 though I thought he was an interesting villain I don’t think he needs to be brought back. Perhaps a main villain for season 2 could end up being jake. It could possibly delve more into the psychology of Marc and have him mentally fighting a new side of himself.
I'm sure this makes me a monster, but I'm honestly getting to the point where the feeling of "I did not care for it, but I'm happy it worked for those who did" is starting to fade. So tired of the same generic nonsense over and over again just being accepted by people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching.
I can totally relate to that one, mate. It's clear that "people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching" are the kind of people they are catering to. As long as there's no shortage of those kinds of viewers, they will be able to keep making money while putting in little to no effort into making their products good. As they say, no one ever went broke catering to the lowest common denominator. I'm sad 😑
I have that feeling in mind as well whenever I’m watching something that doesn’t quite live up to my expectations or doesn’t earn my respect; just contorting my mindset in anyway to justify the show/movie I just watched. One perspective I came to after watching the show is that maybe this show can serve as a basic introduction to Moon Knight’s character for new fans, and if they want they’ll explore his character in the comics and go more in-depth. I do get tired of using this excuse of “I didn’t enjoy it, but at least others did” as well though when a show doesn’t satisfy me
Boy you must be a child. At least we have some diversity finally. If you want boring white male superheroes than DC is there for you (though they do have Wonder Woman and Catwoman)
The issue is, this shit is not for our demographic. It's for taste-depleted rainbow-haired liberal drones who couldn't get enough of gargling this mediocre ideology-pandering slop. They don't really make anything popular/high octane for classic/normal people anymore.
Tbf, this show does try some things that are different to most MCU projects. It's character focused and isn't just a superhero cgi stuff all the time. Yeah there's still a bit of that but that's what the MCU is.
I really enjoy your videos. I haven't seen most of the movies but I have a good idea what they're about because of you. Your presentation is very entertaining!
@@elysium.14 All that build-up only to have Jake's "appearance" within the finale take place off-screen and it was such a cop-out way to defeat Harrow. The post-credit scene was done well but I don't think it should've been Jake's first apperance.
You know, I'm really, genuinely grateful that Endgame was such a clear and well defined *end* to the MCU, that I don't feel any sense of missing out by not caring about any of this.
@@lorencelaflair4306 Yeah I haven't watched the movie. I simply watch the Drinker's videos because there are some really good recommendations sometimes. For example, I watched The Expanse on his recommendation, and I loved that show. I don't always agree with him though, for example Spider Man no way home was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen which he seemed to like a lot.
@@UsernameGeri you watch drinkers videos and you make up your mind about a movie or show Well he's full of shit too He says whatever bullshit that gets him more subscribers and ultimately money just like disney and mcu I've seen his hypocriticy with gina carano and spider man leaving the mcu
@@ijustworkhere9903 No I don't make up my mind about a movie or show based solely on what he says. And I don't watch literally everything he talks about or recommends. The Expanse seemed intriguing to me and I love sc-if, so I gave it a shot and I really liked it.
How did the critical drinker miss the third personality? Several of his questions are answered by the existence of this character and his omitting the third personality actually renders his summary factually incorrect. Too drunk to pay attention?
@@sammybosak10 what would change? This show was bad, I mean really bad. Although the acting was good, cgi was on top, the show couldn’t manage to keep my interest in.
@@hakansaribal5093 Only the last ep was kinda mediocre the rest eps were pretty good especially the psychological ep. It didn't feel like a superhero show may be that's why many people got disappointed(including you) cause they expected general mcu shit or gore ruthless comic moonknight.
The first time I've ever disagreed with you. I really liked Moon Knight. Some of the criticisms you cited just don't really fit well with how I enjoyed it in the end Some of it yes valued and I can see why it could make someone not enjoy it, yet I still enjoyed Moon Knight a lot more than I thought I would. Issacs's acting was incredibly well done, and I hope we get to see even more of him soon. I'm more excited to see Moon Knight return than I am for any other Marvel movie currently.
I really appreciate your take on these shows. Every channel is talking about how great these mediocre shows are. I think the first episode established a wonderful direction for the show. But of course as the show progressed I saw that there are more questions than answers. If it wasn’t for Isaak I wouldn’t continue watching the show.
100% agree. He was a little tough on this one though, imo, for all intents and purposes. The acting really elevated the show and the "strong female lead" never felt like she was fated to usurp Stephen and Marc
I like listening to his takes. But to he blunt, I dont quite agree with his analysis on this one. Some of the questions he brings up are answered. For example the girl knowing how the do the spell at the end, is because shes an Avatar. Same with how Mark does what he does because of his connection to Kanshu she has the abilities of the goddess shes bound to. Of course Marc wouldn't know how to do a spell since his power aligns more with brute strength then spell casting. Also, I dont see the argument for her not getting saved. The entire point of her getting powers was so she could help get Moonknight back to beat the goddess they realised. Her entire role in the show was being a supporting character. So while it's fine to say that she assists him, it's for the goal of him actually coming back to finish the fight. Calling her a strong character doesn't seem to match in this regard. Especially since so much of her character revolves around helping both Marc and Steven. I can agree that debate amongst the gods isn't really explored as well as it could be. But the other criticisms kind of felt like he wasnt really watching the show to be honest.
@@zacharymutter8432 I agree that the show wasn't bad, but man Layla 100% usurped Moon Knight in episode 6. Mark didn't show up for the first like 20 minutes of the show or something like that. She was kept saving him too. Like Moon Knight is a crazy strong character who has been at this for a long time, yet this brand new girl is randomly like 10 times better than him? Makes no sense. Episode 1-3 were good and episode 5 was good for the last 15 minutes, but other than that the rest of the show was very mediocre.
@@vialived Yeah, again I like Drinker bur it really felt like he was either not paying attention to the show or was probably multitasking while it was on 😅. Which is fine, I'm just saying if you're gonna review something dont ask questions the source material answered.
@@forbiddencroisant I mean, Steven got a 10 second straight Daredevil moment and saved Layla from Harrow, while Jake actually finished the fight, but sure, I guess, Layla usurped him by fighting by his side as an equal.
I loved Isaac's performance. I get the feeling that knew how goofy this was going to turn out and just decided to have some fun with it. The man is a stellar actor (see ExMachina) and I love watching him in anything he's in. He was the only reason I watched this whole series.
9:01 If you _really_ think about it, Jake Lockley is actually the one the receives all the punishment his mom gave. Hence, at the end, it made sense that he's the perfect avatar for Khonshu inside Marc's body since he's practically willing to do anything just to taste blood. And Khonshu sure does love them bloody gory bits. Tl;dr: Steven was made to cope with the mental and emotional stress of Marc while Jake was made to cope with the physical abuse from the mother.
@@leo-n8er73 he usually does, but i think hes leaning a bit too much into blind marvel hate here, and refusing to see the good show under the thin layer of a few stupid things.
@@traegoins6903 I feel like that’s the thing with most of these UA-camrs we can’t have a female main character in a marvel movie without them moaning or complaining about it
Aside from three fundamental criticisms I actually largerly disagree with the drinker here. The idea of Marc being in an Asylum was introduced too late to be as impactful as it could have been and would have required more buildup, Layla becoming a superhero herself was a gratuitous move that took attention away from where it should have been, and the big, Godzilla-esque fight at the end is kinda antithetical to how this character is usually portrayed. Beyond that, though, I almost completely disagree with his review here. Layla is competent and helpful, yes, but she also has to fall back on or get saved by Marc/Steve just as often, Steven's expertise with Egyptian lore/culture is useful throughout and he becomes a more confident and capable fighter as the show continues, and the second episode actually dedicates a good chunk of it's runtime to exploring and arguing Harrow's philosophy- both establishing a relatable reason for the protagonist to oppose it while also properly showing how Harrow can be so dedicated to his philosophy that he doesn't mind being judged himself. I never once felt the protagonist's misery was played for laughs or meant to make him a "clown" either. And while sequel hooks and spinoff bait are indeed typical Marvel fare, I feel this show still managed to tell a very self- contained story arc about a man coming to terms with himself. Couple that with the amazing performances and I honestly feel it was a very solid show, even better than most of the Netflix ones.
i would have almost no complaints if not for the Layla turning into a superhero bit. I'm a woman and I just hated that. It so took away from the climax, from Mark's story. And the ending is just so important to the overall quality of a show - as proven by Game of Thrones.
Like, i don't know why these writers think a majority of women want this. i think there's a middle ground between being a completely annoying maiden like Willie in Temple of Doom, and being this butch, masculine hero who saves the man. I don't want to save the man. I don't want a man who's weaker and less competent that me. That's not attractive. Women like to be rescued by a guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. On an evolutionary level, it's hot. it's hot being fought for. I don't want to carry the guy away she-hulk style. I want the big masculine man to carry me away. they really did Moon Knight dirty with this ending and I just hate it. They didn't have to turn Layla into a superhero for her to be a strong female character. But that's kind of the way they see women. if they aren't a super hero, they're not strong or compelling enough.
The director of the show criticized Patty Jenkins for misrepresenting Egypt in WW84. He was so focused on representing his country that he failed to tell a good story. A complex character like Moon Knight deserves its own show like the Daredevil which would've helped explore a lot about the character. These 6 episodes didn't do the character and his story any justice at all. I was so disappointed by this.
@andranik H. Exactly, like Egypt still seems to be portrayed so poor and dirty in all these shots the director put in and I thought we might seem somethin different tbh
At first he's more like Assassin's creed type than a vigilante type but in 1976, they made a stupid change as Doug Moench inspired by the Shadow and created Steven and Jake for Moon Knight and made him a heroic figure and a rich guy and this made Batman comparisons although he had powers at that time.
I really liked this show. The only part that didn't feel natural was Layla turning into an Avatar. She was pretty cool as she was. They pretty much forced in that transformation and it stuck out like a sore thumb
Usually I agree with you, but definetly not this time. While Moon Knight has it flaws, and some sprinkle of cringe, I can't call it a waste, it's a solid show, and while I disliked other marvel shows, i enjoyed Moon Knight.
I agree. It definitely has flaws, and I especially felt the last episode had a giant cop out with that final blackout sequence. But overall I was interesting where it was going I thought the characters especially Stephen and Mark were really interesting, and Layla was more balanced than a lot of the female protagonists we’ve seen up until this point. They at least seem to try to make Be more like an equal than a superior and that deserves some credit
Steven ain't that useless and pathetic tho. He's the reason they figured out the star map . Even Khonshu called him by his name instead of his usual "little worm", acknowledging his wisdom for Egyptian history and mythology.
Considering the video maker said Layla doesn’t need saving by moon knight(she gets shielded from bullets by moon knight among the many scenes contradicting it) and after she gets her wings, they cooperate saving each other even more than the previous one where mr knight gets attacked by that invisible monster. This channel pushes a bigger ‘message’ than his accusation of what modern Hollywood does. Considering all he reviews in modern movies is franchise films and one or two other films a total of around 40 modern movies till now while actual UA-cam reviewers review about 50-100 movies a year, while highlighting the same 8 movies as an example of why modern movies suck, I think he’s about as reliable as a Q Anon page.
To be fair, in most cultures gods weren't really omnipotent and all-seeing, they were often just like really powerful humans with a few superpowers, and they were even graded and ranked, from the most powerful to the ones who were just like tree spirits. Or they only had power in their own realms, whether that was the underworld, or a village. A local god might be all powerful, but only in his strict geographical region, outside of that someone like Zeus outranked him immensely. That's how you got all these unknown minor gods, but why the locals still kept the name alive and focused on praying and sacrificing to him even though they knew Zeus or whoever was the King of the Gods. It was the Hebrews who mostly introduced the idea that God was One and all powerful, all aware, that nothing could be hidden from Him and He controlled all. Before that people routinely tricked and fooled gods.
Moon Knight has always been touted as Marvel’s answer to Batman. That’s the sort of story and tone I wanted to see. Started so well - I loved the first episode - but as you say, it just slips into familiar MCU tropes and nonsensical plot points that are there to force the narrative forward.
You kind of forgot about the parts where moon knight saves STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER multiple times in the show like in episode two from the jackal, episode three from the mercenaries and in episode six when Jake kills almost every threat in the battle saving STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER again. Also you forgot about the post credit scene when the introduce Jake lockley. edit: after another rewatch there are somethings about layla that feel unearned such as being called a super hero and saving moon knight that one time. please don't harass him, I'm merely stating a few things that he missed
Honestly, Layla being a competent fighter didn’t bother me. It made sense that the woman a Mercenary like Marc marries would be just as capable as he is. Her getting her own suit kind of makes sense. The Hippo god agreed to help Marc and Steven. And Layla was in a serious bind, so the suit served as a way for her to get out of the situation. But that “Are you an Egyptian super hero?” Scene was forced af. The worst thing you can possible do for representation in media is call attention to it within the media. It would literally be like if that scene where marcs having that emotional breakdown on the street and someone walks up to him and ask “Are you Jewish?” Also, While Steve starts off as a bumbling fool, he does eventually come into his own by the end. There scene where he immediately sees through Dr. Harrow is great.
My biggest problems with this show were the lack of Moon Knight, race and name swapped Marlene (Layla is literally Marlene from the comics), changing Steven into a goofball, not using his arch nemesis Bushman as the main antagonist, and then ending the show with some stupid big battle. Honestly, the show wasn't that bad overall until the final episode, but it definitely suffered from not enough Moon Knight throughout.
I like to believe that Marc actually created Jake whenever he was about to be abused, while Steven is created to be the one Marc couldn't become. And Marc doesn't know about it yet. And constant abuse in childhood made Jake a serial killer.
Oof, that comment about what Drinker 'imagines' the average male Feminist to be sure made me cringe. I mean, can you show-off your Bias and Prejudices a bit less embarasingly-blatant? Doing it casual doesnt really help, mate.
makes more sense if you think about it... Marc said he created Steven to deal with his mother's abuse but Steven somehow has no idea his mother is abusive.
@@sharif47 Because "dealing" with the situation can be interpreted differently since it is a wide term. You can deal with the problem by forgetting it, you can deal with it by facing it, and so on. Steven exists in order to forget the abuse, basically defense mechanism by the mind where such events are being locked up and the person doesn't remember it, but somehow has emotional pain that cannot be explained whenever similar events reoccur which can unlock the bad memories. So, if that's the case, then it makes sense, because that's how psychology works, or can work in case it doesn't play out like that and mind works around those issues differently...such as having Jake, which is a spoiler for me since I am still watching the series and I am hearing about this Jake for the first time, but it explains why neither Marc nor Steven knew about what happened and blamed each other for killing people in episode 3(?), and as I suspected there was a 3rd person or personality involved. Though I kind of thought as well that Khonshu might've taken control over, but sounds like not...it's just another Marc's personality.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX I'm a bit lost on your point. What are you suggesting? Steven is dealing with the trauma by forgetting it? If he were facing it, he would've at least remembered the whole thing.
@@sharif47 Even a completely sane and healthy mind can reinterpret, subtract from, or add to memories over time until the real event is only a framework for a story that the mind has told itself. As shown in the fifth episode through Steven's shocked and horrified reactions to the memories that he and Marc are seeing, Steven doesn't remember the abuse at all, having edited those incidents out of his memory in favor of remembering his mother as loving and gentle.
Idk, man. I think you missed the mark on this one… For one, Steven really develops a spine by the end of the show, especially after his revelation. I disagree with you on the “strong female character” aspect on this one. She doesn’t come across as overly spectacular and for most of the show, she seems to be more reliant on Marc and Steven than she is on making it through things on her own. She would have been legitimately dead multiple times without external intervention and you come to see her recognize this as she accepts that she can’t change her circumstances as she is - or even as an avatar for that matter. Even at the end, she’s about to be Swiss cheese when Marc/Steven/SomethingElse goes berserk to save her. She’s competent, sure. But in a common sense way that makes you go, “yeah, that’s actually a smart choice for once. Good for you.” I thought she was a better balance than most female characters and was a refreshing change to the status quo. Granted, there were times. But it was enough to suspend disbelief. I fucking hate most of the Marvel Universe shit that’s pumped out these days. Spider-man: No Way Home? Terrible, one-note movie. But Moon Knight I’m cautiously optimistic about… except for the Godzilla fight, that was pretty iffy for me.
To add to this, imo it doesn't set up nearly as much as the other shows. It's pretty self-contained and doesn't set up a whole lot. The only thing I can think of is a conflict wherein Marc and Steven discover Jake.
9:05 I want to clarify something they were trying to do here, this is a real world Phenomenon called DID, short for Disassociate Identity Disorder. The creations of people as coping mechanisms occurs in children and those people are called alters and they do infact occur from abuse at a young age and not later in life. Marvel got the ideas down, being lost time, amnesia and waking up in different places, and an alter made to cope with the abuse at a young age doesn't have to be bitter and jaded, they can be friendly and kind and sweet or anything, they age literal people in your head. I'll give marvel credit for nailing that, but the movie still isn't good.
Am I the only one who found it weird that the theme for most of the show was building up to Marc letting go of "Steven the coping mechanism", then he allegorically does let go as Steven plummets from the ship(albeit not by Marcs own choice, which was missed opportunity). This should be it, but then Marc just goes and rescues Steven like no problem at all, "I'll just spawn next to him". So essentially the show is saying having a mental illness is like a super power that you should hold on to. Pretty weird message. Why not let Steven be "dead" and let audience be sad for him and root for Marc for being able to let go? Then bring in other personalities for the season finale, and bring Steven back in S2. I don't know, in any case, I don't think the mental illness aspect was handled all that well in the end.
Come on Drinker, you don’t have to shit on everything. This was actually a very well written, acted, directed and scored show. Layla was not an over powered feminist character, she was a capable supporting character, which every superhero needs. Sometimes you gotta appreciate good stuff, even if it goes against your general narrative.
Yeah, Layla wasn't that bad. And when she is really tough in the show, she's got superpowers at that point, so it's at least explained. The show was pretty good to me, mainly carried by Issac's and Hawke's performances. I have a lot of differences with Drinker, but still watch his videos because I do think he does have a lot of insightful commentary on movies. But after Endgame, he has seemed to have more of an adgenda against the MCU, which is shaping his opinions before he sees the shows/movies, and it does feel like he's doing it for clicks.
She has no backstory crediting her having any training as a mercenary, marine, soldier or agent... how can she be so good at overpowering other soldiers that are men? How is that Marc has the powers of a God yet has to be saved by her the whole show? There is a feminist agenda being shoved down our throats with Marvel. You denying it means you don't live in reality, you clown.
Oscar Isaacs look his performance was good because I feel like there is really nothing memorable. Well this probably the last D+ show I will ever watch until X-Men '97 or when the get X-Men and fantastic Four into the MCU and even then I will be iffy.
for me, it wasn't bad at all but there just wasn't much of it. kind of like getting served a delightful piece of chocolate cake but only being allowed to have one spoon full edit. lol I wrote this before hearing the drinkers food analogy.
I’m starting to think that Critical Drinker is a contrarian when it comes to some shit especially this. Hawkeye was a disappointing show but Kate Bishop is a comic character who is actually well written and fun to watch, she isn’t a diverse replacement for him she’s a mirror image of his youth in the comics at least and has been in existence for over a decade. As for moon knight it just seems like he’s nitpicking and basically slept though the whole fucking show. Layla isn’t just “strong female character” she’s basically spector’s tether to a normal life and his past. It disappoints me that they replaced Marlene with a nearly identical character on paper. She also doesn’t just win all of the time, she nearly gets murdered multiple times and frequently gets over powered and manages to get out of it with luck or by the skin of her teeth.The show didn’t promise anything about a globe trotting adventure either so that’s just unfounded. Only you who seemingly watched this show on the verge of sleep would think that the previous events before the asylum are fully real. If you knew anything about Moon Knight you would immediately question the reality of events from the first episode and even if you don’t know shit about moon knight, the guy has three personalities you would question whether or not what he sees is real. Also Steven is the way he is so that he becomes the comic version of himself later on, he has more agency over himself as the show goes on and by the end is as competent as Marc in certain areas or even surpasses him. They had to make Steven an every man so that they could not only build up to the mystery of who even is Marc Spector but also because since moon knight is obscure they needed a gateway character that could be more relatable to the audience so that he could later develop. He isn’t weak either he’s literally an integral part of the plot because of his intelligence and argues with Marc and wins sometimes. Comics Grant couldn’t handle himself in a fight either he’s a rich stock investor, Mr. Knight in the comics is a mix of Grant and Moon Knight as he’s a different personality who can fight and is calculating, moon knight himself is also another personality formed by the other 4. My problems with moon knight are lack of blood, lack luster cgi and that I wish that there was more ambiguity to what was happening with the gods. This was a good show obviously not even in daredevil’s league as he’s my favorite marvel character and that his show is one of my favorites of all time but it is quality but could still improve in future seasons.
Finally a valid critique! Although I'm not usually a fan of gorey heros,I do agree with your points because you DO know your stuff.Especially the part where you mention the right mindset to watch this: doubt whether or not it is real. I hate how some people's complains in a way that really shows that they misunderstood the characters & the story.The kind of people who calls it bad because the story is 'weird and confusing'.
Man, I normally agree with you in most of your points regarding Marvel shows, but I'm unfortunately gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Moon Knight is very much a show about Marc Spector and his damaged psyche from begining to end, and at no point does Layla takes over as the MC. The only time where she even comes close to that is when Marc is quite literally dead, and even then her mission was to follow Harrow and free Konshu so that he could revive Marc. And even when she gets her own powers, she still has to fight alongside Moon Knight in order to defeat Harrow. And either way, they almost lose until Jake swoops in and ends the fight.
@@moderatecanuck Yeah in terms of dumb ass powers that is. At least until we get she hulk. Which will be a thousand times more absurdly powerful than any other because stronk and independent.
I will say that it does make sense for Steven to be the more kind and gentle of the identities because people with DID typically develop identities that are more equipped to deny trauma than face it. When he discovers that his mother has been dead for 2 months he was literally in denial while Marc knew about it already.
he never had DID in the comics until about 5 years ago and even then it was up in the air. he also never had childhood trauma that is all BS the show made up.
@@jnever9768 And? Its good that adaptations dont use 100% of the comics or else they'd have a hard time making the giant purple simp look like a compelling villain.
I liked this show, and enjoyed the introduction to the Moon Knight character. I never read the comics and was fascinated by the concept and felt the acting and effects were great. I can agree with a few of the criticisms made, and accept that it is nowhere near perfect and opportunities were certainly missed, but I’d say that many of the criticisms here are very harsh and that plot points and exposition was watered down and omitted to portray the show as subpar. It’s fair that some will not like the show and I am open to videos like this that challenge my perspective after having seen a production, but I felt this video was overly harsh. If you’re considering watching Moon Knight definitely give it a whirl. It stands out from the rest of the recent shows Marvel has been churning out, and I felt that “the message” was far more subtle here than in other Marvel films in this phase.
I see the “Mary sue” aspect to “what’s her face,” but I actually really enjoyed the show, the acting performance by Oscar Isaac was out of the park, and I liked the fact that they weren’t in a different exotic city every scene. It made an already complex plot a bit simpler.
My #1 is with the show was "Strong Female Character". She was dreadfully boring and un-interesting. I was engrossed enough in the show until a few episodes in when it felt like 90% of the episode was about her, and it was clear that Moon Knight/Steven/Mark were taking a backseat in their own show. I can't stress enough how over this phase I am, with its agenda to obsess over pushing diverse characters over the ones we actually care about. Especially with some of these female characters that just kill any momentum a show had.
Well she was only a hero temporarily she didn’t take over Mark‘s mantle he still got his powers/contract back they’re working together she’s not only there as a strong female character she was literally the wife of the guy that was trying to figure out why he was “missing” and the show is clearly not about her she’s on the side, majority of the time is spent with Mark and others. The show is called Moon Knight.
@Honey st I've seen Moon Knight and I can 100% guarantee that without her the show would have been way better ; She is a literal Deus Ex Machina : Anything happens ? No problem, Laila is here to get the Mcguffin, or help Mark, or free Konshu, or know the magic spell to emprison Ammit, in short, I think the writers hide their incompetence behind the SJW banner. Also, that scene where the girl says "Are you an egyptian superhero ?" just made me break a nerve, I myself am Arab and I found it quite refreshing to have a movie with an Arab/Egyptian theme but that scene was such an unbelievably clear pat on the back of the writers for being "sO dARn iNclUsIVe" that it made me realize that no one at the multi-million dollar company that is Disney cares about Egyptians or their culture or anything other than money and their own self-assurance that they are the "HERos".
@@ludwigvangaming1822 it has nothing to do with inclusion she is his wife and she only has like 1 episode where she was the main character in it lol and sure she is annoying sometimes but so is Steven being a little bitch the show is not perfect but I dont think a character that was barley in it affected anything in the plot
It's weird that a film like dr strange thats made for the mainstream audience including children manages to be alot more brutal with its violence when a tv show that's rated tv 14 that is built around It's main character being a literal mercenary is very tame with its framing of the violent scenes and the fact it is based on a obscure marvel character.
I'm glad people are calling out the lazy writing of this review, this is the first video I'm seeing of this channel and it sounds like some generic 'anti-SJW' agenda crap. Look mate I hate that shit too but bring some actual arguments instead of shouting standard talking points we hear over and over again. You overlooked far too many details about the story and show just so you could complain about the newest phase of Marvel shows, it's just sad.
Sadly I think this review was a missed opportunity to highlight what made this show better than most. Issac was brilliant and it’s great to see show driven by minority mythology..plus this must be one of the few Disney shows with the Violence , aggression , blood, body count, dialogue and commitment to character development.. it’s biggest failures are the rushed final episode and the drive to not give away the identity/nature of the 3rd persona. We needed to see the birth of JL caused by his mothers abuse rather than the intro of Steven. Easily one of the best recent Disney plus/marvel productions ..Looking forward to season 2.
He said the acting was good. Although I'm not sure there's any reason to say it's "great to see show driven by minority mythology". For one thing, the show is driven by the comic; for another, the mythology isn't very accurate; for a third, it's not like Egyptian mythology is some sort of obscure subject, it's not the mythology of the highland people of Southeast Asia or something.
Kind of disappointed The Drinker didn't acknowledge the subtle yet noticeable diversity like the main character being Jewish, and not to mention the fact that his character isn't built unrealistically which I find a bit refreshing. Also, say what you want but I like Steven more than Mark because he is very useful with his knowledge and interest in Egyptian myths and gods. Like some people are saying in the comments: Mark is the muscles and Steven is the brains, which is why they complement each other.
Moon Knight's story was good and very entertaining, but too generic, and that's what Marvel is becoming. Watching it felt the same way as with Loki, a really intriguing character with a large potential for an amazing story but was put into a generic and watchable story with the only goal to be more of the same Marvel Formula (but now with new characters) and never breaking off from its own chains. Look what they did to a dark and complex character as Moon Knight, he's a family-friendly Deadpool in the MCU now.
Just cause Steven an identity made some jokes like a normal human being, the main identity is the non goofy Marc and now the Moonknight is Jake who is fully dark due to abuse and won’t make any jokes
I watched the first 2 episodes and was really into it. I stopped half-way through the 3rd and just couldn't bring myself to get back into it. I feel the mysterious-ness really helped initially, then every reveal fell flat.
I just commented the same exact thing. I watched the first 3 episodes and just lost steam for it. Idk what it was about it, it just got too messy for me. I can't put my finger on it but I think it had a lot to do with the fact that I (90% correctly) predicted the end of the show. No reason to bother watching. Plus, I agree about the mystery aspect, just seemed like there were no stakes to the story. At least Wanda and Loki show furthered some larger plot points. On a side note, went and saw Sonic 2 this weekend and it was a great watch, would highly recommend. Sonic 1 is on Prime if you haven't already seen it.
@@higherchd1 I didn't even criticize, I just said that the way in which the show unfolded didn't hold my interest enough to stop my work just to watch the show. I might watch it later.
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Personally I don't think it's that cut and dry as you say. Especially with Steve and Marc.
Ah yes the superior Loki who unleashed loki's season 2's villain while the male Loki and Mobius became the voices of reason during the finale against the diverse villains/anti heroes like the tva judge, female loki and he who remains.
There's definitely a message in the Loki finale.(sarcasm)
Should check out Tokyo vice on HBO
@@khaylittle8286 i doubt it would be, while MCU writing isn't the best, the reviews done aren't great by this channel, other channels cover reviews better.
And most of the MCU videos here pretty much either misrepresent the project or some other reviewer has covered it's problems better without the strawman of sjw Hollywood (when he reviews about only a fraction of modern Hollywood compared to what actual reviewers review and represents the badly written stuff as the majority).
After “He suffers occasional blackouts and wakes up in different places,” I fully expected an “we’ve all been there, mate.”
I was expecting the Spiderman Jameson laugh at the beginning too lmfao
Missed opportunity
The fact there wasn't a " Hey you you're finally awake" cameo in a cart being pulled by like a donkey is criminal
Naaa itll be fine *what i tell myself after a few drinks*
Drinker is just subverting our expectations.
No matter how much you hate this show, you have to give props to Oscar Isaac for absolutely carrying the show. I almost forgot that Marc and Steven are the same person.
An amazing actor wasted this way. Should be a crime.
For reals. Give the man two Emmys: one for best actor and supporting actor.
He's not even that good, he was mid in starwars an he's done nothing to prove hes an amazing actor
@@James_baxte.r L
I think he was cast as Solid Snake for good reasons. Never before I would picture him playing a brunette brooding operative and a hammy blond English man in the same film. I do now.
This is actually pretty rare, that the main character actually carried this show
Shows in any genre generally have more than just the one, single main character.
Too be fair, Steven is carrying the show with his bubbly personality and his naivity. And his transformation to Mr Knight is hillarious! Even Marc roasted him by saying: "Why do we look like a psycho Colonel Sanders?" And he stupidly threw the gun in episode One when he got chased by the cult on ice cream truck.
I also glad that Layla doesn't have much screen times and most of the time Marc and Steven overshadowed her along with Khonsu and Fabio Ethan Hawke (I know his name is Arthur Harrow but he reminds me of Fabio with that wig). Even in Episode 5, she's clearly absent and she completely gone in the finale after fighting Fabio Ethan Hawke.
i found her most frustrating when, as steven lay dying in a tomb with a bullet in the chest she somehow “escaped” but also infiltrated the small group…. as if the villain couldn’t just smell her being so damn close in the desert
@@margarethmichelina5146 not really he was basically ruined in the sixth episode aside from his scenes as Mr Knight Marc Spector became the only good thing about it.
Wandavision...
Drinker, I look forward to listening to your analyses, but if I'm honest, you're a tad bit off your game. It sounds like you skimmed the show because the usual comments I tend to agree with you on, isn't true for this series... Both characters are useful. The female character isn't all strong and even in her fight scenes she needs help. Egyptian gods are different to the created marvel ones, ie. Not omnipotent, yes, the cgi is lacking and theres a lot of green screen. But it really felt like you flicked through these eps. Your reviews I usually find spot on, this is the first time I'm strongly disagreeing. But then again we are allowed our opinions. Even if they don't make us popular. Well, that's all for now. Cheers.
Yeah, bit weird about the Ennead in 616 when Asgardians exist..
I agree, have been following the drinker for a long time, i have always agreed with him, but recently i feel he just keeps trashing most that comes from marvel. Granting, most MCU shows arent realy oscar level, but now I actually felt that we were given a fresh character with an actual character development with such depth on a personal level.
IMO MCU made two brave decisions recently, making a previous likable hero a full blown murderous villain and exploring mental health issues .
@@fluidarana3637 Oscar level? What a joke
@@radicalman7304 if you read carefully, i said most MCU films aren't oscar level/ oscar worthy. I didn't say Moon Knight was oscar worthy, if that's what you're getting at.
@@fluidarana3637 no I mean the Oscar’s are a joke so I don’t think something being Oscar worthy is a good thing.
"aren't you gods or something?" -- well, ancient cultures gods were rarely omniscient, they all had limitations. Even at the end, in ancient Egyptian mythology, when your heart was weighed for your sins you could kinda trick it to not condemn you with spells from the Book of the dead. Omniscience and omnipotence is more of a monotheistic thing.
It's also logically inconsistent lol.
This and in the show they literally state they're not omniscient
@@casthedemon how so?
Ironically, gods in most cultures have been more like comic book superheroes/supervillains, than like the big-G Judeo-Christian God.
Just reread the Illiad and the Odyssey and I am so IRRITATED with the Gods.
Key issue, Zeus says Troy has never failed to give him honor and rich sacrifices, but to heck with that. Minor goddess (Achilles' mom) weeps on his knees and he decides to let Troy be crushed.
Who would worship gods like that?
Well, I guess any civilization whose desperately searching for meaning in a world they just DO NOT understand.
Poor ancestors.
Marvel while hiring writers and directors for their shows:
1. Must be 6 episodes no more no less
2. Don't reveal anything major to the story until the end of ep 4.
3. Spend entire ep. 5 with just some filler story that doesn't move the plot forward.
4. End with a Big CGI Fight.
5. MUST INCLUDE THE MESSAGE.
You forgot hiring a diverse director and writer who don’t know anything except the message
What message? The ending was rushed I just saw "girl gets powers from hippo" lmao, I don't understand the message.
Wow this is the one🤣🤣💯💯
6: MUST INCLUDE THE MESSAGE IN EVERY EPISODE
7. Must make all legacy male hero characters look like incompetent bufoons.
These new Marvel shows only make me appreciate Netflix's Daredevil more with each year. It was so good and the complete opposite of these overblown by-the-numbers attempts. Great gritty action, complex characters, terrifying villains, human drama intertwined in a tense story with actual stakes. A blind guy with a black scarf fighting a fat guy in a white tuxedo in some dark alley was more exciting than Egyptian gods battling over the fate of the world.
You're not wrong.
I just started rewatching Daredevil for this reason.
Man, that is so damn true. This show became a waste of potential by that ending alone.
All three seasons on Daredevil were better thasn anything disney has produced
@@edstringer1138 It’s crazy that no Disney mcu show is ever touching daredevil. I don’t think any superhero show in general is surprising what that show achieved.
The show is so well informed! You would think you’d need to go to Egypt for Egyptian artifacts, but they knew to go to England instead!
🤣🤣🤣
Classic brits
lol wow deep cut.
On the one hand, they've been spending a lot of time in the show trying to build the mental illness aspect of the character as a big deal and a vital part of his development, but then they end it with questioning whether or not any of that developing accomplished anything. I think the instinct to go big picture whenever the subject of heroes with even a remote connection to mythical deities and turn in into big spectacle also hurts this show because Moon Knight is not that kind of character. He works best as a street level character struggling with his eternal connection to Khonshu, and throwing everything else in to make it fit a mold only hurts the result.
Not the worst thing they've done, but it feel a lot more cookie cutter than a character this nuanced should be. We're not likely to ever see anything as unique and specific as what Netflix did with shows like Daredevil and Luke Cage, because anything they would do with those characters here would just result in the same homogenous fit everything seems to fall into.
One of the main problems with these phase 4 shows is that they set up all kinds of things, just to abandon them almost immediately and pretend they where never even set up. The concept of Stephen/Marc/Moon Knight has huge potential, but ultimately it doesn't matter at all, because the show called Moon Knight is all about setting up Layla as "The Egyptian Superhero."
With phase 4 Disney/Marvel are playing the same trick over and over again: use superhero X to introduce Strong Female Character who turns out to be the replacement of superhero X.
To this day I believe Moon Knight should have been a rated R show and they should have gone all out with it. However that wouldn't have made the show's sloppiness in EP 5 & 6 any better
@@tjroelsma They are written by people who think that asking a lot of questions without no answers makes for a deeper story.
Spot on, glad someone mentioned that Moonknight is more of a street level character. Would have loved to have seen how the writers/directors that did Daredevil series would have handled the character. Instead we get this cookie cutter TV show made for the braindead viewer who simultaneously scrolls their Twitter feed as they watch TV because they have the mental capacity and attention span of a lobotomised Hermit Crab.
@@tjroelsma Well no, Layla wants her connection with Tawaret to be temporary. She only did it to help Marc. She made that extremely clear.
Steven Grant is like a coping mechanism he doesn't remember any of the abusive things his Mom did to him. The personality that took all the beatings and had all the anger is revealed in the post credits scene of the last episode Jake lochley is more violent and is definitely the one who takes control and goes on the rampages that we see the aftermath of
I really disliked that... "twist"
@@svenjohanns8393 was absolutely not a twist, he's been teased since the first episode and everyone familiar with the character was waiting for him to show up
@@svenjohanns8393 twist??☠️
@@shadowspider9 even still, it’s not even that hard of a twist to begin with since he was hinted at since the start, some people just don’t pay attention enough and it shows
As far as i saw, Marc was taking control of the body to kill everyone, seeing how the god (cant spell his name) was talking to Steven during the fight scenes, with Marc asking for it back and the last episodes where even Marc was unaware that someone else took control, meaning it was done later on when they saw the memory.
"In the world of Marvel, the idea of telling a single self-contained story with a definitive beginning, middle, and end is like garlic to a vampire"
Oh my god, that is so fricking true!
Which is why Moonknight and Shang Chi earned extra points from me. They were simple stories about a man struggling to understand himself. Kind of like the movie that kickstarted the MCU in the first place. XD
@@tailedgates9 Iron Man 2008 is so
Much better than both those films combined.
@@chasehedges6775 it is, I just mean in general what the movies were about.
Its called comic books, they have been written like this for decades, lol I guess the Drinker doesnt read much.
This is comic books in general.
I really enjoyed Moon Knight. The female character wasn't as offensive as some from other shows. I liked the change from Steven to Mark and back again. I usually agree with most of your opinions but this one actually had me hooked and looking forward to the next episode. Much better than Loki, Falcon, Wanda and it'll be much better than Ms Marvel. I'm glad I ignored all the spoilers, dodged Az and Gary's assessment and made up my own mind. Actually worth viewing without prejudice or bias.
Rare based comment.
Exactly, what they did with Moon Knight was alright at least better than other marvel series. The only exception from Loki for me was seeing Kang also like actor who played him.
I actually liked the girl character. The acting of Oscar was insanely good. Its my fav marvel show.
Based........the show was atleast a 7/10 even if it wasn't 100% faithfully adapted from the comics ........ doesn't matter how much haters try to ridicule it , Oscar Isaacs acting alone makes it much better than other Marvel shows
@@dogalrorn rare based critical drinker fanboy
I like the part where Morbius shows up and fights Ash Ketchum inside Hogwarts. Really expands the Marvel universe and adds depth to the character of Moon Knight.
What?
ITS MORBIN TIME
It was crazy when he said "Its morbin time" and started morbin the bad guys
The part where he had to battle against the gym leader Morbus to obtain the morbium badge was by far the most heart-morbing scene. Can't get enough of the show
Or when Galactus has a yugioh match with Seto Kaiba in the Justice Leage space station.
Not gonna lie, I was enjoying the heck out of this show until the end. Because you can’t have a show where there is a single superhero with his own powers and story. We need to add in that his love interest has powers that she never earns or struggles to control. We have to add in a massive Kaiju battle, that takes everything out of the story.
We watch Mark and Steven struggle to control the Moon Knight and find balance with each other for 5 to 6 episodes basically. But then his girlfriend can just temporarily make a deal to get generic Falcon wings and say, “Yes, I am a female Egyptian superhero” (insert Event Horizon screaming)
It’s not that deep
The new Marvel bait n switch. RUN THOR! RUN FOR LIFE! (And balls)
I completely agree, all the setup in the first five episodes feels like it was wasted on the last one. Marc/Steven died? No problem! Steven is consumed by the sands? No problem! Khonshu is imprisoned? No problem! There wasn’t even any real conflict between Layla and Marc over her father, it just felt like they had way too many loose ends and tied them all up really clumsily in too short a time period (one episode which was actually shorter than most of the others)
i don't know normally i would agree with you but i didn't feel that the character was that forced but it could be better
I agree for a Disney moon knight was very cool I kinda like that Steven isn't a billionaire and the changes they made weren't to bad but Steven and Mark should have been the only ones fighting and have them black out and we get more hints to Jake
I like the theory that Jake Lockley is the personality that Steven Grant created to protect him from abuse. That’s why he’s even harder and tougher than Mark. They both don’t know about Jake’s existence so they think Steven was the coping mechanism.
I disagree. Steven's whole point is about he is totally free from misery and abuse Marc suffered in childhood. I believe that Jake was created by Marc when he reached the breaking point, that he had enough and decided to hit life back. His violence stemmed from the fact that his life was so awful it seemed unfair, so he seeks justice, or rather, vengeance, to vent his anger and feel better about himself. Thus, Jake was born and his twisted sense of justice is what made him the perfect avatar for Khonshu.
I like to think that deep down Marc wanted a parental figure who could guide him, support him, and tells him he is awesome. As Jake Lockley, he found all of that in Khonshu who sic him on every bad guy and probably pats him in the back for doing it.
@@korawitbuttramee618 So, kind of like what the fake Harrow said about the idea of Marc being created by Steven? I like the idea, but that leaves a plot-hole. If Steven was created by Marc to escape from the abuse, then why did Steven not remember their mom beating them? Did Marc switch back in right after their mom busted in? Why switch to Steven to escape only to be thrown right back into it to protect him? We see that Marc remembers this beating, but what happened at other points? Because, sadly, I doubt that was the only time it happened.
The theory presented by the original comment solves a couple of things. We see Steven has a strong streak of denial when there is something negative in his life, so if he was fronting when they were abused he probably repressed it. That would explain why he was still successful as a protector. Jake's creation probably happened in a similar manner to that and Steven's own creation, during a traumatic memory that was repressed or strictly avoided. Marc was begging Steven not to go into that memory, not just for Steven's sake, but because it forced Marc to relive that trauma. Steven might remember creating Jake, but because the memory is traumatic he avoids it like Marc avoids his. Only this time with more denial, and benefitted by Jake seemingly not wanting to communicate with them.
It would also explain why Marc doesn't know about Jake as Marc didn't create him and Steven refuses to look at that memory.
This is probably way too long, but I was passionate about it lol. Thank you for your time if you read this all!
@@kcpugh5601 my interpretation: Marc was the original personality. For a time, he took his mother's abuse, eventually he created Steven (the infantilized, naïve, mother's-boy, he imagined his mother wished he was) as a sort of buffer. When the violence stopped, Steven would come to the surface, having no memory of the abuse, Marc could rest, until the trauma had faded enough for him to return. As the violence became too much for Marc to bear, Jake was born out of the snarling revenge fantasy, which Marc experienced as a sort of blackout, until he eventually took the 'hand-off' from Steven later.
One thing that is very odd to me, is how the credit scene actually changes the audience's perception of the events of the show. It isn't clear from the video whether Drinker has even seen it. But, anyone who missed it thinks that Ammit/Harrow is still alive. That's unlike any credit scene in the MCU, as far as I know.
Also an open question is, why was Harrow in what physically appeared to be the same asylum? If he was alive, and this was a real asylum, does that mean Steven/Marc/Jake were committed there, at some point? Otherwise, where did they get the mental imagery, to project it onto their experience of the afterlife?
I like the theory that mr robot did this first but baby birds prefer a 6 episode prechewed version with disposable happy meal kaijus
So it's like Deadly Premonition then.
I’m glad that most people disagree with this opinion, I thought this show was so refreshing and vulnerable.
Ikr loved it
I’m sorta late to the party. I binge watched the whole show last night while high, and I LOVED it. I usually agree with this guy on his reviews but this one seems like a bad take.
It was different and interesting!
I got invested into it from the first episode lol. I dont agree with him on this one. This one was definitely refreshing.
I didn’t mind the show. I don’t think it’s terrible but it didn’t feel like moon knight. The only thing I really hated was the finale. How do you skip the finally battle with the villain onscreen? That was annoying
Oscar Isaac and Ethan Hawke’s performances were rock solid. The season had everything going for it until they shat the bed with the last episode. Your grilled cheese/banana sandwich analogy was on point.
Ehhhh, ep 3 and on were pretty bad, too. Mauler will do an efap episode covering the whole show soon I think…
One episode doesn’t ruin a season for me. It also wasn’t that terrible, but it wasn’t great either and I half expected a giant cgi battle because it’s Marvel. I was right. However, the rest of the season was fantastic.
Episodes 3-5 were okay at best. They were lazy, predictable and poorly written. It's just that TV shows keep you hooked with the prospect of a cool finale, so when episode 6 came out, it carried all the weight of the show's bad writing
@@lolltaylor uhhh maybe, but what happens when that awful episode (cough cough ep 6) undermines, contradicts, and ignores everything the show established, thereby retroactively getting rid of what little sense it still made?
yup those 2 carried the show
The whole Asylum aspect. "Is this real or just in Marc's head?" Should have been saved for a Season 2 and not wasted like they did for those last episodes.
They didn't even attempt to give us one whole episode of doubt. Since the episode prior already revealed it's hand that the Asylum isn't real.
Imagine getting this globetrotting action adventure with a "not so stable" Hero. Saving the world from a threat no one really seems to acknowledge.
Only for Season 2 to open with him in the insane asylum. Where most every prominent character from Season 1 gets repurposed as staff or inmates.
Where the whole Season then revolves around Marc trying to figure out if Season 1 was all just in his head, or if some evil God has trapped his mind and is trying to turn NYC into an Egyptian tomb.
(Read Moon Knight [2016] issues #1-14, to see what I mean.)
All facts. Bait & switch defined Phase 4
>The whole Asylum aspect. "Is this real or just in Marc's head?"
Buffy the Vampire Slayer already did this haha.
Surf Wisely.
It should have been maintained all season. Leave the viewer wondering along with Steven
@@GodwynDi That could have also worked and been great.
Also if they intended to make this Series a one off (it's the MCU so I doubt that).
It could have been cool if there would never be a proper reveal that it was real or not.
Maybe Marc was just beating up a cult leader but there were never any actual gods involved (outside maybe Khonsu).
It's like I said in another comment; the show really is let down by it's pacing. It really felt like they were rushing to throw in ideas all over the place before the second season instead of taking a few ideas at a time and developing them. They had a rushed romantic subplot with Steven and Layla, they had a rushed introducing Khonshu and the Gods (they could have introduced it in the second season instead and focused more on Mark instead of cataclysmic titan battles or petty rivalries among gods) and they rushed the Asylum plot point.
Moon Knight should have had Daredevil’s tone with excellent writing to make it work, he was Marvel’s version of Batman in the comics and it’s a shame they did him dirty in this series.
If Netflix made it, it would've been that and then some. But it's D+, so we didn't get that.
Disney is going to do dirty everything that's coming: X-men, Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer, Nova....it's all going to be woke garbage.
@LTNetjak the good Netflix from 6-7 years ago
honestly at this point there’s no shows worth watching anymore, because the teams and studios don’t even try, they just make a pile of garbage with social messages and call it a day
What were you really expecting?
Man he did a great job of playing different people though. No "message" really. Far more interesting than other Disney Plus items.
These shows can’t keep going with just 6 episodes to resolve everything
Have they shown all disney shows with all episodes at 1 sitting?
wrong, 6 episodes is more than enough, you just have to be a good director/ have a good writing team
6 episodes is a big problem. 10 episodes is ideal.
Six episodes is essentially a movie trilogy's worth of screen time.
A lot of movies tell a full story in 2-3 hours why can’t they tell a story in 6 hours lol ?
I agree with everything except one thing: While it might seem that Steven should be a damaged psychopath for taking all the abuse from his mother, this is explained in the post-credit scene of the last episode by the existence of Jake Lockley, who is a third personality and CLEARLY the psychopath that has been killing people during Steven and Marc's black outs.
So it is suggested that while Marc invented Steven to take the punishment from his mother, Steven in turn invented Jake to do it. And Jake is properly psychotic.
Hmmmm, I kinda like Steven making Jake
I thought it was kind of interesting how Mark had the perspective he was protecting Steven, I think this was a further coping mechanism to feel in control. Honestly I agree with some of the Drinker's comments and Steven was by far way too much in the spotlight for me but over all I really like the show.... especially compared to the other spinoffs.
how typical, they put an important part of this characters information in a post credit scene that no one would watch instead of making it the whole last episode as a teaser for season 2. the post credit shit should have been the intro of red scarab but ya know, its like the drinker said.
Great! So instead of explaining it in the main storyline they opted to do it in post credit. Brilliant!
@@Parasiteve I mean, it was hinted at in episode 3, episode 4, episode 5, conclusion to the harrow fight in 6 ... you'd have to be blind at that point not to get it.
Find myself disagreeing with Drinker for the first time here. Definitely the show had some problems and I felt they didn't push the boundaries as much as they could but it wasn't all that terrible for me, a lot better than most of what Disney plus puts out. Marc was very much the muscle and Steven the brains. Steven was the one who was able to piece together certain clues like the star navigation thing they did. So I disagree that he was useless.
Also Layla wasn't all that generic for me. She was capable because of her history in the business, I believe, but was also vulnerable and emotional in some moments without making it all about her feelings. She wasn't arrogant And I distinctly remember her being rescued by the Moon Knight before and after she got her powers so there was mutual saving. I never got the impression that she was a better avatar than Marc, even Konshou through out the idea of her replacing him. And she only taught him the spell because one of the dying gods taught her first not because she's just better
Yes it’s good but the drinker makes money hating on Disney so he will continue with that idea even when a show is miles better than anything before.
@@adamoshea2793 I think that is fair towards Disney because they didn’t initially believe in tgis project or any of the Marvel Franchises going forward with Iron Man but when they started making money they did what any billion dollar corporation would do and threw money at them so that they coyld make more projects like this, the problem comes from when they have too much influence over the projects and take out any meaningful things like plot points, interesting characterizations, and morals. Moon Knight actually has become my favorite Marvel property in a long while cause it doesn’t connect to anything else it’s just pure fun from the ground up and that’s how superhero movies used to be. It’s not as good as shows like “Heroes” or “Daredevil”, but it comes pretty close to doing it’s own thing despite how it plays into the “MCU” tropes. And a lot of people like the MCU for a reason, and that is that it usually is good at entertaining folks, whereas most other Disney projects fail in that regard these days with almost everything being made to fit “political agendas” and appease other countries strict rules more than the one where the film is made. In simpler terms if they want to be diverse they’ll just last minute add a female or “any race other than white” character to a movie or project, and if other countries have a problem they’ll remove that character or all promotional material containing anything “controversial”.
Was a huge fan of the Moon Knight comics. This series was brutal.
Oh come on, remember the scene in the tomb? She made it all about her feelings there instead of escaping and talking later
I agree that it wasn’t as bad at the Drinker made it out to be for the same reasons u listed above. I think the show wasn’t really good, but it could have been worse. I know fight scenes definitely needed a reworking. Moon Knight fights were way too fast; anything brutal he did was watered down, and there was barely any impact for any of it (in episode 3, the guy broke an arm, a kneecap, and a neck, but there was so little impact to those shots that the untrained eye could have never noticed them). Mr. Knight could get away with this in episode 6 because his fighting style is more non-lethal, so he could move faster without any disconnect in the fight scenes, but Moon Knight combat wasn’t very fitting of the pace of the fight at all. It was too fast, and I hated it. Additionally, I feel that the Drinker was right with Ammit’s beliefs vs Khonshu’s. There was no reasoning or counter reasoning for any of it. And in the end, I will concede that the wrong person convinced Marc not to kill. Layla killed a bunch of mfs. Why was she the one who convinced Marc not to kill Harrow? Steven should have done that, not Layla. Steven is the non-lethal one
I genuinely think you overstate the “strong female character” aspects of this show. I understand why “the message” is bad for storycraft, but it’ll be interesting to see if your reviews start overstating those elements because your expecting/looking for them in certain properties.
He thinks all forms of social and political commentary are bad.
@@ShadowSonic2 he also sees them where they don't exist.
"A whole bunch of missed opportunities that never lived up to its potential." That describes most of modern entertainment.
And my sex life.
@@smellyfinger684 To miss opportunities you first need to HAVE opportunities^^
And this is nothing new or modern in the world.
The problem comes down to two things:
- High quality writing can't be mass-produced to a schedule.
- You can't entertain people and scold them at the same time.
What a great way to put that second point. I've been looking for the right way to express that very sentiment and now I have it.
Every studio has a schedule.
How exactly did this particular show "scold"?
@@seanyoung743 It had a man not be a living God. That's enough to set these people off.
@@ShadowSonic2 Drinker has explained many, many times the difference between compelling and poor character development. The fact that your only response to ALL of that analysis is a mindless SJW brain-fart, tells us you are not a person worth listening to.
I can’t really agree with the idea that Steven is useless because… he isn’t. He’s key to overcoming multiple obstacles in the way, which makes Mark and Steven compliment each other since they can cover the other’s shortcomings.
While I know he said "useless", the context made me think he intended to say "insufferable."
@@BWMagus this he was insufferable and I feel like writers goal was to super contrast him with Marc and Jake but Jesus man the whole clumsy bumbling smart idiot thing was annoying and not endearing and it really makes you go "why did they change a perfectly functionally character backstory and mythos
@tido almond ironically I think the argument of it not being realistic is pathetic and I kind of think it's hilarious now when people superimpose their wants desires and messages on comics, people use the well it doesn't make sense argument.
What makes sense to me is adhering to The Source material and Mythos that made the IP popular in the first place and worth adapting. What makes sense to me is a show called Moon night being about Moon night and showing this character semi-regular. What makes sense to me is TV show based on a comic book not being responsible for accurately depicting DID, it's as asinine as critiquing the joker and harley Quinns relationship for not being healthy and bad influence.
@tido almond It makes sense to you to watch a comic book show but it not be portrayed as it was in the comic book world? Interesting, I didn’t read this comic nor watch the show. But I would say for the IP’s I do enjoy, I find it very frustrating when someone changes something drastically about the character. For instance Luke Skywalker throwing his father’s lightsaber into the ocean, or even having the slightest thought of murdering his nephew in his sleep. They could have found away for this character to be a billionaire, struggle with his disorder, and not be a walking joke.
@tido almond Well I can see your point, as stated I haven’t read the comic or watched the show so I’m uninformed and am only commenting on my experience with IPs. I think the gripe people may have and anyone can correct me if I’m wrong. Isn’t so much that he’s not starting the show rich, but rather the butt of the joke.
I have always found that the drinker was sensical and generally right but to me it seems like he is getting overly jaded and can’t see the value in moon knight and I love this show and I think he refuses to enjoy things at this point which I find sad and hope he finds joy in something because I only see him as upset which is for views or genuine and both are sad
The drinker is completely crazy this days. He has taken a good show (altrough the last episode was bad) and is complaining about things that have nothing to do with nothing. Like complaining about Steven personality (like wtf, so according to him no man can be portrayted as weak even if this same man real personality is stronger) or about Layla. She was one of the best original female characters in recent years, exactly because she gets beat up all the time and needs be saved by Marc too, not just the opposite. She literaly have the same personality as Ripley. So they say that a female characters needs to have flaws. Layla have, but they still complains like children, is weird man.
@@sonofcronos7831 If Ripley came out today, the Drinker would hate her.
Nah its because he didn't like the show. His top gun maverick review has him gleaming with joy. People are allowed to dislike what they want to just because he dislikes moon knight doesn't mean hes depressed.
@@creul_satxn9676 It does mean he has no objectivity and integrity
@@ShadowSonic2 Because she wouldn't be the same character as she was back then
As a woman, I can never relate to these "Strong" Female ""characters.""
Their flaws are so insignificant that they have no struggle, there is just NOTHING to latch onto. Just white noise on white noise.
How is any mortal supposed to find common ground with these know-it-all strongest-of-strong goddesses?? On the rare occasion they lose, they just get stronger. There aren't any character arches to follow. Just circles of narcissism.
In short, I find the stereotypical females whom use "like" as the majority of their vocabulary to be far less obnoxious than "STRONGWAHMAN#55."
The strongest females are the mothers who stay home and take care of their children.
There is no white noise in disney stuff...the noise must be brown
@@Quaaludio nice one
honestly they might as well be asking you to relate to supermodels on the runway.
REEE INCEL REEE MISOGYNIST!
I think you missed the end credit scene where they introduced Jake Lockley. They make it abundantly clear that Jake not Steven was created to take the beatings. This is hinted at when Steven says "this is my room but I don't remember any of this". Steven on the other hand was created to live a blissfully happy life (for the most part) thinking his mother loved him and stuff. Marc exists to live with the guilt of the errors he made
Yeah, I still see people wondering why Steven couldn't remember the beatings if he was there, but the fact that he tells Marc "I want to know what happened", as Marc pulls him out of the room is definite proof that Steven was never hit. It was either Marc, or Jake (more likely Jake Lockley).
It was really weird putting the end of the show as a post credit scene. In my opinion that scene should have been part of the episode, not a separate end credit scene.
Yeah, Drinker didnt seem to be on his game with this one 🤷🏾♂️
Also, aside on how Steven works as a copying mechanism, he was clearly usefull during the show due to his geek interest in Egyptian Lore
@@yannickvaz694 The only problem with that theory is that Marc knows about the abuse down to what happened in the room. That means either HE experienced the abuse or, if Jake experienced it, Marc should technically know about Jake. And it appears he doesn't.
I actually like Moon Knight the most out of all the new Marvel shows. They did, of course, manage to fuck it up a bit in the final episode, as is the tradition.
I personally don't see most of the things you mention as negatives. Without knowing anything about the comics prior to watching the show, I believed Steven's personality to be purposefully exagerrated to highlight the differences to Marc's. They might have overdone it, I suppose, but the idea of one personality being useless was fun to me. His usefulness also improved as the show progressed. As far as Layla goes, she was OK and I liked how different her interactions were with Marc and Steven. They seem to make a good team, rather than her being the allpowerful female stereotype of recent years. She gets to be a superhero for a bit, that didn't bother me too much. That one line was very cringey, though. By the way, I'm pretty sure Steven is the personality that believes his mother has always been kind and is still alive. He exists so that a part of Marc can have a normal life.
Christopher Reeves' Clark Kent is exaggerated to be different from Superman, but he still seems like a real person.
Here's my questions to you then, if they did such a good job of Marc & Steven.
What does Marc think of his situation come the end of the show?
What does Steven think of his situation come the end of the show?
If there's one thing the comic was brilliant at above all else, was to reflect the characters internal monologue and perspectives to the reader. If the character was deceived, so we're we. If the character felt something about a situation, that was delivered to the reader with the clarity of an internal monologue with your own mind. It also depicted a relationship between God & servant really well, which also falls massively short in this show.
Tremendous writing it was. This show just doesn't come close to achieving that.
me too. The last episode was the only bad thing for me at least
@@AK-vj9uu Why
@@sohrtresort20 felt rushed and I also didn't like that fight in the end not that it was the worst thing in the MCU but it could have been better.
I really enjoyed moon knight. It’s something a lot different from the MCU that we haven’t seen in awhile. I had a few complaints but this is definitely the best show we’ve gotten so far from the MCU. I even thought Layla was a decent character. This show kept me invested through every minute and I loved it. I didn’t think it was messy and I hope we can get more Moon Knight with a couple of the downsides fixed.
Yeah, to be honest it was actually not that bad compared to the rest of the MCU shows, and the story actually made sense due to the fact that magic is already pre-established in the MCU. Additionally I actually disagree with the Drinker on this one, while flawed I personally don't believe that it was a waste of a good character, I think Marvel is slowly learning how to properly utilize characters without all the political pandering.
@@UNÐERHØRIZØN That's why they took punishers guns away right?
You're absolutely right, I have to give this video a dislike, I wish I could give more for all the bullshit he said. I first saw the title of this video before actually watching the show and I thoroughly enjoyed it, I wish it have a Daredevil treatment on the fight scenes.
I can't get pass to his rant regarding the Layla character. She's one of the descent female character in the MCU.
This honestly reads like a disney bot account meant to make us feel warmer to this
@@metro3385 What? He used guns all the time in the show.
In terms of the split personality thing.
It really is so that when Children develope a split personality due to parental abuse or trauma, those personalities often are devote or childish, because the mind thinks that someone that isn't violent at all is less likely to receive further abuse.
This is actually something that they got right from a psycho medical perspective.
Agreed on almost everything else though
Except that there really isn't a scientific consensus on split personalities. There's not even really any evidence of their existence, let alone their causes or treatments. Nor is it likely that a single brain could even house multiple personalities. Obviously there is some sort of mental issues going on. But the whole multiple personality thing is really overplayed by Hollywood.
@@casthedemon agreed that it is over simplified in movies, but the disease itself is very well documented and part of studies.
Since we all don't use our brain to the fullest it is entirely possible that the brain has enough resources for something as complex as split personalities, although it surely doesn't work like shown in Movies as I said
Split personalities are fake
@@Heptkaidekaphiliac you working at mental or even medical care mate?
@@MichaelMCDoesntExist69 The "we only use 15% of our brains" trope is a neuroscience myth btw.
Was hoping for a Mr Robot like esque portrayal of his split personality disorder, mixed in with Daredevil action, and we got a very PG13, watered down execution. It's average, but not terrible. Other shows just did a better job at what it tried to explore
Thanks for reminding me of that borderline masterpiece
@@WILLINGLYWILD Daredevil or Mr Robot?
@@zdravkosubotic4964 mr robot but daredevil is pretty great too
It’s supposed to be realistic (DID portrayal, much more accurate and less discriminative than other portrayals), I don’t blame that.
@@WILLINGLYWILD Thanks, just wanted to know if I should watch Mr Robot😁.
I watched Daredevil, fantastic show btw.
The real question though is : Is any of this surprising? If the rumors about Ahe-Hulk are anything to go by, it'll make this series look like Schindler's List
Finally it’s here
@@soursugar4867 Finally 😪
What rumors?
I've heard there going with older she hulks personality sassy knows she's hot and loves every second of being she hulk I really hope so case Jen is probably my favorite member of the hulks Rick is a close second
Schindler's List doesn't count.
This is one of the first times I’ve actually disagreed with the drinker so thoroughly. The finale definitely sucked, and Layla being yet another female superhero who’s thrown in for representation was also very frustrating. However the show throws in so much good stuff that overall I thought it was a fantastic show.
First of all out of all the female characters in the MCU, I would argue that Layla was actually decently well written. While her turning into a super hero at the end for no reason was kinda stupid, she’s much more empathetic and rounded than other female characters. She really cares about Mark and wants to help him and grow their relationship instead of just getting a job done with him. I was also ok with the fact that moon knight didn’t get much screen time. What separated moon knight from other marvel shows was its emphasis of the characters and their emotions. The show was almost like a drama about Steven and mark, with a subplot about the end of the world.
I also don’t think that Steven was a particularly poorly written character. People with DID are often really weird, and also very deserving of empathy, which was kind of the whole point of Steven. Steven is literally born from trauma, a fabrication of his own brain, so being a fidgety, wimpy character is perfectly understandable. Steven wasn’t supposed to be a tougher version of mark, he was supposed to be the happy part of mark. Instead of making Steven the trauma holder, marks brain made Steven the host, and mark the trauma holder. Mark remembers all of the abuse and trauma of his childhood, while Steven, who’s literal purpose is to be normal enough to survive in daily life, is literally marks opposite. Innocent, odd, carefree, and kind. Steven and his purpose is a perfectly realistic alter irl, and that’s what makes the show so magical. DID is an incredibly difficult disorder that can be life-crippling and super disheartening. Compared to the rest of the internet, Moon Knight did a decent job portraying the struggles of a person with DID. While most other marvel shows are focused on action, feminism, and representation, moon knight focused solely on the characters and their emotions, making it more relatable and understandable than your average action movie. Overall, while it wasn’t perfect, I was happy with the production of moon knight.
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I’m not reading all of that, but I agree with your first few sentences
Just one disagreement, Layla didn't ask for powers from Tawaret until it was absolutely necessary.
Drinker likes to shit on women taking up erstwhile male heroes mantles, but when there's an entirely new female hero (Layla doesn't have powers in the comics), he shits on that too.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't 🤷🏻♂️
@@theprovosthe shits on the character because the character writing sucks regardless of the characters gender or race.
I agree, this was one of my favorite Disney+ shows yet. Steven was loads of fun, Marc was badass, Jake was scary badass! Layla was well written and entertaining. The representation of DID was better than anything ever done before, except one glaring mistake. If Steven's purpose was to be the "happy one", then he should have appeared *after* the abuse in order to not remember it. Jake should have been the one to appear when the mother entered the room. Jake should hold the trauma, Steven should be blissfully unaware and Marc is man in the middle trying to hold the balance.
I don't know what Drinker wanted out a female character in this show, or any show or film for that matter. Does he think "The only good woman is a silent woman"? Maybe make a woman character that does nothing but sit at the man's feet and agree with everything he says? Sounds like a boring character.
you forgot a rule:
8. no woman can be a true villain, they always need to be redeemable once you find out a man was behind them doing something bad
Hela, Agatha, and Gao would all disagree with you.
@@ricknaturalls2065 In the case of Agatha there was an even worse woman… Who cannot be bad because “boo hoo her fake family not real :(“
@@SteveSmith-ty8ko Wanda is pretty explicitly treated as bad, I don't really know what you're talking about. Just because a villain can garner sympathy does not make them not bad.
@@ricknaturalls2065 the show tried to make her out as good but tragic and misunderstood
@@ricknaturalls2065 I would tend to disagree, evidenced by The way they write other characters that interact with her. Nearly every core character she interacts with is written to point out how she's either brave and strong for giving up her pretend family and fantasy world, or how she's strong because she's lost so much but still keeps trying to do things for others.
There's building a sympathetic badguy (for example the bloody Baron from the Witcher. Not a good guy by any means, but you know he hated what he is, tried to fix his mistakes, and the story never tried to spin his actions in a good light.) and then there's uncomfortably trying to force the audience to be okay with a character doing evil things because other characters in the story say it's okay and make excuses for them.
Here’s 2 fun facts:
1.The Scarlet Scarab is a male villain in the Marvel comics, but in the show he’s a female superhero-I’m sorry an Egyptian superhero
2.The heart trick Tawaret uses is actually based off of Anubis’ technique to judge the persons merit in life.
On that note why Tawaret judging souls of the dead and not Anubis? And why does an Egyptian goddess sounds and acts like an airheaded English socialite?
Thank you. I was so confused I remember Scarlet Scarab being a male. Most people don't know much about MoonKnight so... wtf.
@@Wolfman7870 idk. Why is konshu voiced by a Syrian guy and not an Egyptian one?
@@Wolfman7870 it’s either because they didn’t bother to check their sources or because they thought that as long as the character said they were Egyptian nobody would question anything from gods to voices
I should point out that in context of the Moon Knight TV series, Anubis was mentioned as one of the gods trapped in a statue like Khonshu and so Tawaret replaced Anubis in the underworld since Anubis was imprisoned.
Also Fun Fact: Marc Spector didn't suffer from child abuse in any of the comics.
In fact the opposite, Marc Spector actually beat and abused his Dad in the comics for being pathetic loser and embarrassment.
In the bulk of Moon Knight comics, Marc Spector's mental health issues come from the guilt and regret of killing innocent people for fun/money in his mercenary past.
The whole point of Moon Knight was that he was a terrible person who was betrayed by Bushman (an even worse person), dies, and gets reborn into a superhero to redeem his past.
They do reference this in Episode 5 of the Moon Knight series, by having Arthur Harrow mention that "Maybe Marc's Steven Grant persona was created as a way to hide from the guilt of murdering innocent people in his mercenary past and start a new life from scratch".
(Which is exactly how it happened in the comics, until a 2018 comic retcon that said Marc's mental health issues come from witnessing a family friend murder a kid in his basement).
As someone who hasn't read the comics, I actually thoroughly enjoyed the show. The final Kaiju battle was kinda dumb and the writing could have easily been better. But overall as a first time viewer of the character, I thought the show was quite fun and much better than Marvel's past shows like Loki or WandaVision.
Read the 2014 run. Its fantastic.
@@Drake00000010 is it beginner friendly I recently got marvel unlimited and was wondering what moon knight comic to start with
Why was the kaiju battle dumb?
@@hinamatsuro1908 Whenever Marvel does these big CGI fights they always look really silly. It probably would have been better if they cut it and made the fight purely between Harrow and MK.
even if u did u would still like it
For me Moon Knight doesn't re-invent the wheel, but it doesn't have to. Compared to most mcu series thus far, it's one of the top tiers. I thought I would be incredibly bored watching it a second time but it felt as good as the first time watching it.
At this point, I really feel for Oscar Isaac. He seems like a very competent actor that just wants to be in good roles, but because of his contract and agent (I'm sure) he's pretty much forced to continue doing business for Disney. Even after that colossal fuck up that was the Star Wars sequels. It was clear he was fed up with that shit for a while.
na man, hes out. he made that very clear before the show started. something about golden handcuffs. so why even bother with this show? bc phase 4 is all fucked u. most of the budget prob went to him, which is why we didnt see the REAL Moonknight suit but a few mins all together? lol. and hes been in a ton of movies btw. u really shouldn't feel sorry for a famous rich actor, that can do anything he wants short of buying an island. no hate, jmo. obviously u can feel sorry for anybody u want.
He's a great actor who gets himself into a lot of terrible movies. At least Dune was legitimately awesome.
@@georgevanhoose6333 Oscar Isaac definitely isn’t going to suffer from taking this job, the show is been reasonably popular, most of the people who watched it liked it, and they particularly like Oscar’s acting. If you take one look at any social media or talk to anyone who isn’t a fan of this show then you’ll see that most people don’t have such a pessimistic view of the entertainment industry
@@tiinan375 I've found it takes a bit of intelligence and appreciation to have standards so your prolly right about most people on social media.
You realize that he was the one who decided that he wanted to take on this role right?
The series wasn’t horrible. The acting was decent. But here is my problem: Moon Knight isn’t Moon Knight. I’ve been a fan of Moon Knight since Werewolf by Night #32 and he has always been a street level vigilante with supernatural undertones, not a bulletproof glowing eyed mummy. I applaud marvel for pulling him out of the archives, but he belongs gritty and dark, with Daredevil, not an Avenger level nutcase. Sorry Marvel…. D+
Yeah, hopefully he returns as an actual street level vigilante sometime in the future. This was a decent show, but it could have been better.
Doug Moench literally tackled every aspect of MK in the 15 years he wrote the character. Because of Warren Ellis and Lemire l, he's just Deadpool now
@@billygoodmeme7635 Absolutely! Well said!
All this high stakes, high-powered stuff could work if they didn't lead with it like they were trying to make a movie instead of a show. If you told me it was originally meant to be a movie, I'd believe it because the first 2 episodes felt like they just stretched out one episode out into the length of 2
Now that god battle is over, what do they even do with the character?
This is why YoungRippa said, “Don’t cheer when you hear them announce that your favorite characters are being adapted for the big screen. Just prepare yourselves to see the legacy of that character to be ruined and the character to be unrecognizable in the adaptation”
This is the one time that almost everything you said about "strong female character" (being Layla here) is absolute utter bs.
She isn't your typical smug character like others. She had way more personality than your recent female Marvel characters.
She had all rights to be pissed at Marc.
She wasn't smartest in the room. Literally asking for help of Steven on multiple occasions.
It's clear she had worked with Marc before in some sort of missions, so of course she will be capable of fighting.
She gets rescued by Marc on multiple occasions. Or Moon Knight. Just like some of the people in the comments pointed out.
When she becomes an Avatar for Taweret she was basically on par with Marc/Steven/Moon Knight. And she was much weaker than the third personality of Marc/Steven.
She knew how to perform the ritual, cuz Taweret, the goddess herself told her how to.
The one thing that made absolutely no sense is how she didn't notice anything wrong with Marc before meeting Steven.
Yes. AND the fact that she doesn't know magic exited after Mark tell her in ep 4.
By the way she acts, she seem like she barely aware how the suit works and she at best she presume it work like iron man.
The way she looked at it, she and her husband with a magic suit went on an adventure to get a bug, then he ghosted her for nearly a year for no reason. Then one day he just called her in british accent. Then he acted like a mind wiped dude.
It's truely odd that she didn't pick up Mark strange behavior. But some what understanable
Simp harder, I guess.
The only thing about Layla I didn’t like was the cringy “are you an Egyptian superhero.” A little cringy but otherwise, I did like Layla.
Also, just like Moon Knight, she doesn't have much screen time.
In episode 1, we only heard her voice through her phone, in episode 5, she's not appearing since it's focus of Marc's backstory, in episode 6, she's compeletely gone after Marc and Steven punished Fabio Ethan Hawke to the purgatory asylum and they never explained what happen to her.
How did she not know that her husband has a DID personality? Probably they are married too quickly and they both have poor communications.
She even doesn't want to be Taweret's Avatar completely and she's even struggling to fight the blind zombie mummy alone as she almost died and even traumatized.
Fanboy Lmao mad you paid for that crap
I didn't expected much from the show so I was pleasantly surprised that it didn't suck. I thought it was quite a good use of a lesser known character. Also strong female wasn't obnoxious so didn't hate her.
You know the sad thing is, if Disney marvel actually took time to properly write and develop their “strong female characters” into actual characters, this wouldn’t be an issue. But it seems they don’t give two shits about that as long as they check off a few diversity boxes. “Not Caucasian?” Check. Gay? Check. Send it. The result is exactly the opposite of what viewers want. We don’t care if a character is similar to what we are. If I’m a overweight gay toaster I don’t really care if a overweight gay toaster is in a movie. I want well written plot, developed characters and a decent story. But hey - as long as marvel keeps printing money with this shit it’s gonna continue.
I came up with a quote for this
“They need to stop writing female characters as woman, and start writing them as people”.
Everyone loved squid game, but there weren't any blacks in there 🤷♂️
here is a cliff notes on the agenda,
1 replace white man with black man or White feminist woman,
2 replace black man or White feminist woman with black lesbian woman,
3 replace black lesbian woman with trans-man,
4 replace trans-man with androgynous cyborg,
5 you are in the matrix. your body is stored in a big plastic tube, The A.I.s control your reality.
@@michaelsorensen7567 Well, there was that Indian man, but yeah, it was majority koreans which still means "diversity" i.e. no one white, I guess, thus the green light.
@@michaelsorensen7567 well then ny Hollywood standards squid game is trash & not diverse enough
I wouldn't call Layla a "Strong Female Character", unlike so many others that I can name. That scene where she tries to deal with the priests at Ammit's Tomb shows her struggling to get away from them, to the point that she had to trick the priest to fall into the hole, and nearly falling down herself in the process. She even cried afterwards, presumably from the stress of dealing with them in the first place. She even broke down and cried when her husband got shot by Ethan's character (Arthur Harrow) which gave her the motivation to go after his cult herself.
The Scarlet Scrab thing should be hopefully temporary, and even so, she didn't do as much in the fight as Marc did. Then again, neither of them, not even Khonshu and Ammit did a lot in the fighting, even Marc and Layla got cornered by Harrow and his men, before Jake comes out and beats the crap out of them
In short, I think that for a main female character, Layla is a bit more balanced, and in some scenes, well written. At the very least, she wasn't as unbearable as say, Sylvie, Carol, Karli, Wanda(In WandaVision and MoM) and others that I forgot. Of course, I do not expect everyone here to share the same views, so it's fine, I just think Layla is a much better female character than most in the recent Phase 4 of the MCU.
Yeah I have to agree and I commented something similar on his most recent video. I think he's a expecting too much to see "Strong Female Character" to realize where the differences are. I mean here, she's his wife and just wants to know what the hell is going on because Mark left her in the dark. She's capable but not overpowered and most of the time she was saving it was saving Steven who's genuinely the one who's so weak. It's not like she really saved Mark. Also worth noting... she never really won legitimately or if she did was really for the reason that she's a main character. Like it was evident that Ethan Hawk was basically toying with them the entire time and it's evidenced when he just pulled a gun and shot Mark outright after he was sufficiently standing in his way. Two in the chest and that's it. And she was completely helpless to it too. She couldn't do shit. And her superpower part was explicitly temporary with her deal as per the agreement: "Just for this" and when she did tell Mark how to do that spell she was told how via that goddess so it's not like something SHE knew. She was even successfully tempted by Ethan Hawk so realistically she "lost" that battle of wills with him. So I kind of don't agree with his take here really.
@@buddermonger2000 Exactly. Most of what the Drinker and other critics is on point, but the "Strong Female Character" argument won't apply to Moon Knight. It applies to everything else in Phase 4 thou
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Yeah it's just been shit. However I'll always enjoy Moon Knight for having the balls to have its main Villain just shoot the hero. Like come on he's just a normal dude. Shoot him. And here... he does. It does do a fairly good job at making Ethan Hawke feel entirely in control too. Issue is more just poor execution on ideas arguably from studio rigidity as it is almost as formulaic as the rest.
@@buddermonger2000 Yep, pretty much, and it shows on Episode 6
@@amaneyugihanako-kunofthesi8849 Even then it looks like they were kind of fighting it in making the kaiju battle in the background to parallel with the more grounded fight between the main characters.
The "Are you an Egyptian superhero?" thing is the most pathetically 'performative progressive' thing that Marvel is always doing. Every culture on Earth has thousands of years of their own heroes, myths, and stories and all these American studios and companies are like "Nah they don't count unless they're a secondary character in a thing WE can make money off of. Comic book movies/shows are the highest honor for every culture on Earth."
I read the whole “Nah” part and heard Drinker’s voice
Agree. Just "are you a superhero" would have done the same thing. But no "nationality: had to be put in there. As if you cannot relate to a character without having the same nationality. I am neither american or blonde or blue yed but captain america is my favorite one
catering to ethnicities is the cringiest things that I hate in entertainment industry since the industry is the second biggest influence on the population after the internet.Why is a superhero/hero is supposed to be black,white,american,mexican,indian or egyptian.Why is the protagonist supposed to be a male,female/lgbtq . Why can't we ignore these medieval concepts of past in the real world & in the imaginary world of cinema where everything that exists is in our control we forget ethinicites at all. Why can't we have a protagonist/superhero/hero just be *A HERO* . I never saw falcon as a blackmale superhero, I saw falcon as .....FALCON. I never saw captain america a white male american. I saw captain america as CAPTAIN AMERICA the first avenger.....despite the name being captain america. I don't want an indian superhero doing bollywood dance & making india proud(eternals), I just want a hero. I don't look for the country,ethinicity of the actor that I'm never gonna meet playing a character, I look at the character and chew on popcorn. I watch movies for escapism...not to be lectured
My thoughts EXACTLY.
@@apetogetherstrong4243 you hit the nail on the head. They always tell us that we should look past ethnicity but then they always just make it about ethnicity
Frankly, I'm glad they DID make it clear it wasn't just all a dream. Honestly, I think the whole "Duhhh it's all just a dream" twist is the dumbest and most uncreative "twist" anyone can put in a movie. If it's all just a dream than there's no stakes anymore: it doesn't matter who succeeds or fails, and it's impossible to get invested since anything can happen.
Mark and Steven are the first new characters from phase 4 that I legitimately cared for and liked. Mark being the strong warrior and Steven being the smart detective is cool dynamic that I really hope they expand upon. But Layla is stupid I hate her.
When was Steven ever smart or a detective?
Steven was the one able to piece things together when it came to artifacts and tombs and was the main reason why they knew where to find Ammit's tomb.
@@sivad1025 He singlehandedly figure out the location of Amit's tomb?
@@sivad1025 when he pieced together the riddle in the sarcophagus of the Medjay or when he did the riddles in Amit’s grave.
I actually liked that Steven was "pathetic" but had the knowledge. And I don't know, he didn't seem that pathetic to me...
yeah i think he has seen so much bad things in everything that he only sees bad things in everything. Overall this show was better than any that came before and after till now (yes talking about you miss marvel)
I like steven he a cool guy
@@harshitrawat811 moon knight and ms marvel have been the two weakest mcu shows so far.
😬 Spoke too soon
@@harshitrawat811 Except for Loki, that was really good.
Honestly I think the wife should have been kept out and we focused me on the dynamic between Mark and Steven because I think that worked really well. Imagine if we had Mark teaching Steve how to us the powers he had as Mark struggled to even get control for a moment, then we end with both being balanced
at least early on or something. If I could use special powers and was tasked with something important to do, but had to share my body with someone, I would at least *try* to get them to not be utterly worthless when using those powers and try to build up some trust with them instead of just trying to bully them into giving up control on the off-chance they actually do it
so take the woman out of the show is ur solution, totally doesnt reveal ur sexism or anything, this is why yall clowns are falling apart☠️☠️☠️
@@higherchd1 how is that sexism? The wife is legit the weakest character in the show to me, doesn't mean I'm sexist, it means she was just poorly written
@@higherchd1 'the woman'
Thats all you see her as. Quite literally. She's a ticked box, not a character. You're so sexist you can't even project it without firing the beam into your own face
For me, I really liked the show. Oscar Isaac was great, and the portrayal of DID was also very good. I almost always agree with The Critical Drinker, but I’m gonna have to disagree this time.
I personally really enjoyed Moon Knight. Ethan Hawke was brilliant!!!
Yeah I usually agree with you man but I'm at opposites here. I liked Stevens character he was amusing, annoying sure but still entertaining to watch.
Also, Steven was the meek innocent one because Mark wanted to keep part of him pure, happy, blissful and such. Where he would keep the gruffness and the pain, torment etc.
I even thought they didn't go too hard with the strong female character shit this time, yes it was there but I didn't think it was bad, she hadn't only been looking at ancient Egypt shit 5 mins like you said it established that she was well versed in that stuff and re-enforced it a few times. She reads the stuff in Stevens room, her mom (I think) making the passports the convos they have.
I wonder if you're just suffering from the marvel fatigue bro. I certainly have had that before. I haven't seen all the tv shows, but moon knight I certainly enjoyed the most out of the ones I have seen. Punisher, daredevil and moon knight 🔥
LoL me too I really enjoyed the hell out of moon knight and I think they calmed down with the strong female troupe it isn't so bad this time
@@nwoyeochajeffery7060 100%. I thought she was a decent character :) Ethan Hawke was a bit wasted but he did a GREAT job. He was my favourite thing about it all.
Yeah man this show slapped. I absolutely loved the more psychological take for a super hero. It was really unique and I’d love to see more.
@@superadambomb5834 100% would you like to see the villain Harrow bought back somehow? I would but I don't see how they could bring him back in a good way. :/ Still, I'd be hype for more either way.
@@thatoneguychad420 though I thought he was an interesting villain I don’t think he needs to be brought back. Perhaps a main villain for season 2 could end up being jake. It could possibly delve more into the psychology of Marc and have him mentally fighting a new side of himself.
The biggest sin is that Moon Knight himself gets like 4 minutes of screentime in the entire show. And he looked so damn cool 🤦♂️ such a waste.
Yeah, that was disappointing to be honest
@ABC123 Just to ruin the character in the next movie and kill him
@ABC123 but don't give him a line to speak so you don't need to pay him that much
Apparently shows have to have constant unrelenting action to be good?
But Moon Knight was in the show
I'm sure this makes me a monster, but I'm honestly getting to the point where the feeling of "I did not care for it, but I'm happy it worked for those who did" is starting to fade. So tired of the same generic nonsense over and over again just being accepted by people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching.
I can totally relate to that one, mate. It's clear that "people who cannot be bothered to think about what it is they are watching" are the kind of people they are catering to. As long as there's no shortage of those kinds of viewers, they will be able to keep making money while putting in little to no effort into making their products good. As they say, no one ever went broke catering to the lowest common denominator. I'm sad 😑
I have that feeling in mind as well whenever I’m watching something that doesn’t quite live up to my expectations or doesn’t earn my respect; just contorting my mindset in anyway to justify the show/movie I just watched. One perspective I came to after watching the show is that maybe this show can serve as a basic introduction to Moon Knight’s character for new fans, and if they want they’ll explore his character in the comics and go more in-depth. I do get tired of using this excuse of “I didn’t enjoy it, but at least others did” as well though when a show doesn’t satisfy me
Boy you must be a child. At least we have some diversity finally. If you want boring white male superheroes than DC is there for you (though they do have Wonder Woman and Catwoman)
The issue is, this shit is not for our demographic. It's for taste-depleted rainbow-haired liberal drones who couldn't get enough of gargling this mediocre ideology-pandering slop. They don't really make anything popular/high octane for classic/normal people anymore.
Tbf, this show does try some things that are different to most MCU projects. It's character focused and isn't just a superhero cgi stuff all the time. Yeah there's still a bit of that but that's what the MCU is.
I really enjoy your videos. I haven't seen most of the movies but I have a good idea what they're about because of you. Your presentation is very entertaining!
I generally liked moonkight for it's acting and uniqe main character. But they screwed up the finale so bad it hard to think positively about it
Finale sucked more when they didn't show Jake Lockley beating up Harrow
Just an off-screen battle no one will ever see
Yeah, it was quite the letdown
@@elysium.14 All that build-up only to have Jake's "appearance" within the finale take place off-screen and it was such a cop-out way to defeat Harrow. The post-credit scene was done well but I don't think it should've been Jake's first apperance.
You know, I'm really, genuinely grateful that Endgame was such a clear and well defined *end* to the MCU, that I don't feel any sense of missing out by not caring about any of this.
You care enough to watch them though..🤔
@@brianm3160 he only cared enough to watch an 11min youtube video shtting on it.
Gonna cry about it kid?
@@lorencelaflair4306 Yeah I haven't watched the movie. I simply watch the Drinker's videos because there are some really good recommendations sometimes. For example, I watched The Expanse on his recommendation, and I loved that show. I don't always agree with him though, for example Spider Man no way home was one of the shittiest movies I've ever seen which he seemed to like a lot.
@@UsernameGeri you watch drinkers videos and you make up your mind about a movie or show
Well he's full of shit too
He says whatever bullshit that gets him more subscribers and ultimately money just like disney and mcu
I've seen his hypocriticy with gina carano and spider man leaving the mcu
@@ijustworkhere9903 No I don't make up my mind about a movie or show based solely on what he says. And I don't watch literally everything he talks about or recommends. The Expanse seemed intriguing to me and I love sc-if, so I gave it a shot and I really liked it.
How did the critical drinker miss the third personality? Several of his questions are answered by the existence of this character and his omitting the third personality actually renders his summary factually incorrect. Too drunk to pay attention?
ill assume he didnt bother to see the end credits scene
@@MrAaaaazzzzz00009999 he didn't see the show properly i believe.
@@sammybosak10 what would change? This show was bad, I mean really bad. Although the acting was good, cgi was on top, the show couldn’t manage to keep my interest in.
@@hakansaribal5093 Only the last ep was kinda mediocre the rest eps were pretty good especially the psychological ep.
It didn't feel like a superhero show may be that's why many people got disappointed(including you) cause they expected general mcu shit or gore ruthless comic moonknight.
Since Moon Knight was in about five minutes it should have been called Boring Crap.
The first time I've ever disagreed with you. I really liked Moon Knight. Some of the criticisms you cited just don't really fit well with how I enjoyed it in the end Some of it yes valued and I can see why it could make someone not enjoy it, yet I still enjoyed Moon Knight a lot more than I thought I would. Issacs's acting was incredibly well done, and I hope we get to see even more of him soon. I'm more excited to see Moon Knight return than I am for any other Marvel movie currently.
I really appreciate your take on these shows. Every channel is talking about how great these mediocre shows are. I think the first episode established a wonderful direction for the show. But of course as the show progressed I saw that there are more questions than answers. If it wasn’t for Isaak I wouldn’t continue watching the show.
100% agree. He was a little tough on this one though, imo, for all intents and purposes. The acting really elevated the show and the "strong female lead" never felt like she was fated to usurp Stephen and Marc
I like listening to his takes. But to he blunt, I dont quite agree with his analysis on this one.
Some of the questions he brings up are answered.
For example the girl knowing how the do the spell at the end, is because shes an Avatar.
Same with how Mark does what he does because of his connection to Kanshu she has the abilities of the goddess shes bound to.
Of course Marc wouldn't know how to do a spell since his power aligns more with brute strength then spell casting.
Also, I dont see the argument for her not getting saved. The entire point of her getting powers was so she could help get Moonknight back to beat the goddess they realised.
Her entire role in the show was being a supporting character. So while it's fine to say that she assists him, it's for the goal of him actually coming back to finish the fight.
Calling her a strong character doesn't seem to match in this regard. Especially since so much of her character revolves around helping both Marc and Steven.
I can agree that debate amongst the gods isn't really explored as well as it could be.
But the other criticisms kind of felt like he wasnt really watching the show to be honest.
@@zacharymutter8432 I agree that the show wasn't bad, but man Layla 100% usurped Moon Knight in episode 6. Mark didn't show up for the first like 20 minutes of the show or something like that. She was kept saving him too. Like Moon Knight is a crazy strong character who has been at this for a long time, yet this brand new girl is randomly like 10 times better than him? Makes no sense. Episode 1-3 were good and episode 5 was good for the last 15 minutes, but other than that the rest of the show was very mediocre.
@@vialived Yeah, again I like Drinker bur it really felt like he was either not paying attention to the show or was probably multitasking while it was on 😅.
Which is fine, I'm just saying if you're gonna review something dont ask questions the source material answered.
@@forbiddencroisant I mean, Steven got a 10 second straight Daredevil moment and saved Layla from Harrow, while Jake actually finished the fight, but sure, I guess, Layla usurped him by fighting by his side as an equal.
I loved Isaac's performance. I get the feeling that knew how goofy this was going to turn out and just decided to have some fun with it. The man is a stellar actor (see ExMachina) and I love watching him in anything he's in. He was the only reason I watched this whole series.
@Herbie Wares It was all a little goofy. But that isn't to say it didn't have its moments.
He was phenomenal in Show Me a Hero, as well.
9:01 If you _really_ think about it, Jake Lockley is actually the one the receives all the punishment his mom gave. Hence, at the end, it made sense that he's the perfect avatar for Khonshu inside Marc's body since he's practically willing to do anything just to taste blood. And Khonshu sure does love them bloody gory bits.
Tl;dr: Steven was made to cope with the mental and emotional stress of Marc while Jake was made to cope with the physical abuse from the mother.
Yeah it confuses me at first why he turned to Steven Grant
Exactly this dude don't know wtf he's talking about🤣
@@leo-n8er73 he usually does, but i think hes leaning a bit too much into blind marvel hate here, and refusing to see the good show under the thin layer of a few stupid things.
@@traegoins6903 I feel like that’s the thing with most of these UA-camrs we can’t have a female main character in a marvel movie without them moaning or complaining about it
"A grilled cheese sandwhich" that lowkey sounds really good.
"With a banana sticking out of it"..... eh, I'd most probably still eat it.
Aside from three fundamental criticisms I actually largerly disagree with the drinker here. The idea of Marc being in an Asylum was introduced too late to be as impactful as it could have been and would have required more buildup, Layla becoming a superhero herself was a gratuitous move that took attention away from where it should have been, and the big, Godzilla-esque fight at the end is kinda antithetical to how this character is usually portrayed.
Beyond that, though, I almost completely disagree with his review here. Layla is competent and helpful, yes, but she also has to fall back on or get saved by Marc/Steve just as often, Steven's expertise with Egyptian lore/culture is useful throughout and he becomes a more confident and capable fighter as the show continues, and the second episode actually dedicates a good chunk of it's runtime to exploring and arguing Harrow's philosophy- both establishing a relatable reason for the protagonist to oppose it while also properly showing how Harrow can be so dedicated to his philosophy that he doesn't mind being judged himself. I never once felt the protagonist's misery was played for laughs or meant to make him a "clown" either. And while sequel hooks and spinoff bait are indeed typical Marvel fare, I feel this show still managed to tell a very self- contained story arc about a man coming to terms with himself.
Couple that with the amazing performances and I honestly feel it was a very solid show, even better than most of the Netflix ones.
i would have almost no complaints if not for the Layla turning into a superhero bit. I'm a woman and I just hated that. It so took away from the climax, from Mark's story. And the ending is just so important to the overall quality of a show - as proven by Game of Thrones.
Yeah pretty much
Yeah I feel like he's just had it with Marvel/Disney. They got this pretty right.
Like, i don't know why these writers think a majority of women want this. i think there's a middle ground between being a completely annoying maiden like Willie in Temple of Doom, and being this butch, masculine hero who saves the man. I don't want to save the man. I don't want a man who's weaker and less competent that me. That's not attractive. Women like to be rescued by a guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. On an evolutionary level, it's hot. it's hot being fought for. I don't want to carry the guy away she-hulk style. I want the big masculine man to carry me away. they really did Moon Knight dirty with this ending and I just hate it. They didn't have to turn Layla into a superhero for her to be a strong female character. But that's kind of the way they see women. if they aren't a super hero, they're not strong or compelling enough.
The director of the show criticized Patty Jenkins for misrepresenting Egypt in WW84. He was so focused on representing his country that he failed to tell a good story. A complex character like Moon Knight deserves its own show like the Daredevil which would've helped explore a lot about the character. These 6 episodes didn't do the character and his story any justice at all. I was so disappointed by this.
Wasn’t parts of WW84 set in Bialya? The fictional dc equivalent of Saudi Arabia?
He even criticized Black Adam too when it comes to Egypt which was dumb.
the story was better than good
@andranik H. Exactly, like Egypt still seems to be portrayed so poor and dirty in all these shots the director put in and I thought we might seem somethin different tbh
@@Adrian-ty7pc i can kinda understand the WW criticism but the Black Adam one was just the director straight up complaining for no reason
I love Moon Knight but I wish they went with the earlier version where it was more vigilante story and the spiritual stuff was pushed to the back.
At first he's more like Assassin's creed type than a vigilante type but in 1976, they made a stupid change as Doug Moench inspired by the Shadow and created Steven and Jake for Moon Knight and made him a heroic figure and a rich guy and this made Batman comparisons although he had powers at that time.
I really liked this show. The only part that didn't feel natural was Layla turning into an Avatar. She was pretty cool as she was. They pretty much forced in that transformation and it stuck out like a sore thumb
Usually I agree with you, but definetly not this time. While Moon Knight has it flaws, and some sprinkle of cringe, I can't call it a waste, it's a solid show, and while I disliked other marvel shows, i enjoyed Moon Knight.
I thought it was the best Disney show but still was pretty garbage. Strong female character and simpknight steven kinda ruined it.
I also liked the show, but I agree with Drinker that last episode was a waste
I agree. It definitely has flaws, and I especially felt the last episode had a giant cop out with that final blackout sequence. But overall I was interesting where it was going I thought the characters especially Stephen and Mark were really interesting, and Layla was more balanced than a lot of the female protagonists we’ve seen up until this point. They at least seem to try to make Be more like an equal than a superior and that deserves some credit
Agreed, I went in with as little in the way for expectations as possible and came out of this and Doctor Strange 2 largely disappointed
Steven ain't that useless and pathetic tho. He's the reason they figured out the star map . Even Khonshu called him by his name instead of his usual "little worm", acknowledging his wisdom for Egyptian history and mythology.
Considering the video maker said Layla doesn’t need saving by moon knight(she gets shielded from bullets by moon knight among the many scenes contradicting it) and after she gets her wings, they cooperate saving each other even more than the previous one where mr knight gets attacked by that invisible monster.
This channel pushes a bigger ‘message’ than his accusation of what modern Hollywood does.
Considering all he reviews in modern movies is franchise films and one or two other films a total of around 40 modern movies till now while actual UA-cam reviewers review about 50-100 movies a year, while highlighting the same 8 movies as an example of why modern movies suck, I think he’s about as reliable as a Q Anon page.
Wait, are you saying Critical Drinker misunderstood and misrepresented something? Color me shocked!
@@cjhedberg735 IMPOSSIBLE!
@@epicmusic9029 finally somebody says it
@@eghoseisiramen1892 most of the rant comments seem to have either skipped the show, or are suffering from confirmation bias, I guess.
To be fair, in most cultures gods weren't really omnipotent and all-seeing, they were often just like really powerful humans with a few superpowers, and they were even graded and ranked, from the most powerful to the ones who were just like tree spirits. Or they only had power in their own realms, whether that was the underworld, or a village. A local god might be all powerful, but only in his strict geographical region, outside of that someone like Zeus outranked him immensely. That's how you got all these unknown minor gods, but why the locals still kept the name alive and focused on praying and sacrificing to him even though they knew Zeus or whoever was the King of the Gods. It was the Hebrews who mostly introduced the idea that God was One and all powerful, all aware, that nothing could be hidden from Him and He controlled all. Before that people routinely tricked and fooled gods.
Moon Knight has always been touted as Marvel’s answer to Batman. That’s the sort of story and tone I wanted to see. Started so well - I loved the first episode - but as you say, it just slips into familiar MCU tropes and nonsensical plot points that are there to force the narrative forward.
I haven’t watched Moonknight, but the daredevil tv show have me a lot of Batman vibes
Not at all, it's Daredevil...
Yeah season 1 definitely borrowed from Batman Begins, but that's okay because it worked.
Stronggggg female character 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This version of moon knight is nothing like batman. And why would you want a copy paste character? The version we got was amazing.
You kind of forgot about the parts where moon knight saves STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER multiple times in the show like in episode two from the jackal, episode three from the mercenaries and in episode six when Jake kills almost every threat in the battle saving STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER again. Also you forgot about the post credit scene when the introduce Jake lockley.
edit: after another rewatch there are somethings about layla that feel unearned such as being called a super hero and saving moon knight that one time. please don't harass him, I'm merely stating a few things that he missed
Yeah thats right, the Drinker is just finding things to complain about these days.
@@vanblitz7009 agreed
his audience are like borderline-mysogynist bruh
@@zyrlmilesaguitong1598 Not borderline, just racist and sexist.
Plus if anything else Layla shows lots vanurability especially with her father loss
Honestly, Layla being a competent fighter didn’t bother me. It made sense that the woman a Mercenary like Marc marries would be just as capable as he is.
Her getting her own suit kind of makes sense. The Hippo god agreed to help Marc and Steven. And Layla was in a serious bind, so the suit served as a way for her to get out of the situation.
But that “Are you an Egyptian super hero?” Scene was forced af. The worst thing you can possible do for representation in media is call attention to it within the media. It would literally be like if that scene where marcs having that emotional breakdown on the street and someone walks up to him and ask “Are you Jewish?”
Also, While Steve starts off as a bumbling fool, he does eventually come into his own by the end. There scene where he immediately sees through Dr. Harrow is great.
My biggest problems with this show were the lack of Moon Knight, race and name swapped Marlene (Layla is literally Marlene from the comics), changing Steven into a goofball, not using his arch nemesis Bushman as the main antagonist, and then ending the show with some stupid big battle. Honestly, the show wasn't that bad overall until the final episode, but it definitely suffered from not enough Moon Knight throughout.
I like to believe that Marc actually created Jake whenever he was about to be abused, while Steven is created to be the one Marc couldn't become. And Marc doesn't know about it yet. And constant abuse in childhood made Jake a serial killer.
Oof, that comment about what Drinker 'imagines' the average male Feminist to be sure made me cringe. I mean, can you show-off your Bias and Prejudices a bit less embarasingly-blatant? Doing it casual doesnt really help, mate.
makes more sense if you think about it...
Marc said he created Steven to deal with his mother's abuse but Steven somehow has no idea his mother is abusive.
@@sharif47 Because "dealing" with the situation can be interpreted differently since it is a wide term. You can deal with the problem by forgetting it, you can deal with it by facing it, and so on. Steven exists in order to forget the abuse, basically defense mechanism by the mind where such events are being locked up and the person doesn't remember it, but somehow has emotional pain that cannot be explained whenever similar events reoccur which can unlock the bad memories.
So, if that's the case, then it makes sense, because that's how psychology works, or can work in case it doesn't play out like that and mind works around those issues differently...such as having Jake, which is a spoiler for me since I am still watching the series and I am hearing about this Jake for the first time, but it explains why neither Marc nor Steven knew about what happened and blamed each other for killing people in episode 3(?), and as I suspected there was a 3rd person or personality involved.
Though I kind of thought as well that Khonshu might've taken control over, but sounds like not...it's just another Marc's personality.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX I'm a bit lost on your point.
What are you suggesting?
Steven is dealing with the trauma by forgetting it?
If he were facing it, he would've at least remembered the whole thing.
@@sharif47 Even a completely sane and healthy mind can reinterpret, subtract from, or add to memories over time until the real event is only a framework for a story that the mind has told itself. As shown in the fifth episode through Steven's shocked and horrified reactions to the memories that he and Marc are seeing, Steven doesn't remember the abuse at all, having edited those incidents out of his memory in favor of remembering his mother as loving and gentle.
Idk, man. I think you missed the mark on this one… For one, Steven really develops a spine by the end of the show, especially after his revelation.
I disagree with you on the “strong female character” aspect on this one. She doesn’t come across as overly spectacular and for most of the show, she seems to be more reliant on Marc and Steven than she is on making it through things on her own. She would have been legitimately dead multiple times without external intervention and you come to see her recognize this as she accepts that she can’t change her circumstances as she is - or even as an avatar for that matter. Even at the end, she’s about to be Swiss cheese when Marc/Steven/SomethingElse goes berserk to save her. She’s competent, sure. But in a common sense way that makes you go, “yeah, that’s actually a smart choice for once. Good for you.”
I thought she was a better balance than most female characters and was a refreshing change to the status quo.
Granted, there were times. But it was enough to suspend disbelief.
I fucking hate most of the Marvel Universe shit that’s pumped out these days. Spider-man: No Way Home? Terrible, one-note movie.
But Moon Knight I’m cautiously optimistic about… except for the Godzilla fight, that was pretty iffy for me.
yeah but steven's annoying
No Way Home described as “one-note” undermines your comment that was going well.
Oh I get the joke, this comment is like a Marvel show
Yeah no way home was so bad thank you I’d kill to watch it in theatres for the first time again tho
To add to this, imo it doesn't set up nearly as much as the other shows. It's pretty self-contained and doesn't set up a whole lot. The only thing I can think of is a conflict wherein Marc and Steven discover Jake.
@@nihilisticpuk how is he annoying? Hes literally a fictional character who probably is more nicer and has a greater personaility than you 😭
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I want to clarify something they were trying to do here, this is a real world Phenomenon called DID, short for Disassociate Identity Disorder.
The creations of people as coping mechanisms occurs in children and those people are called alters and they do infact occur from abuse at a young age and not later in life.
Marvel got the ideas down, being lost time, amnesia and waking up in different places, and an alter made to cope with the abuse at a young age doesn't have to be bitter and jaded, they can be friendly and kind and sweet or anything, they age literal people in your head.
I'll give marvel credit for nailing that, but the movie still isn't good.
This guy just wants to complain because it gets them views
Am I the only one who found it weird that the theme for most of the show was building up to Marc letting go of "Steven the coping mechanism", then he allegorically does let go as Steven plummets from the ship(albeit not by Marcs own choice, which was missed opportunity). This should be it, but then Marc just goes and rescues Steven like no problem at all, "I'll just spawn next to him". So essentially the show is saying having a mental illness is like a super power that you should hold on to.
Pretty weird message.
Why not let Steven be "dead" and let audience be sad for him and root for Marc for being able to let go? Then bring in other personalities for the season finale, and bring Steven back in S2. I don't know, in any case, I don't think the mental illness aspect was handled all that well in the end.
Come on Drinker, you don’t have to shit on everything. This was actually a very well written, acted, directed and scored show. Layla was not an over powered feminist character, she was a capable supporting character, which every superhero needs.
Sometimes you gotta appreciate good stuff, even if it goes against your general narrative.
But that wont get him views
Yeah, Layla wasn't that bad. And when she is really tough in the show, she's got superpowers at that point, so it's at least explained. The show was pretty good to me, mainly carried by Issac's and Hawke's performances.
I have a lot of differences with Drinker, but still watch his videos because I do think he does have a lot of insightful commentary on movies. But after Endgame, he has seemed to have more of an adgenda against the MCU, which is shaping his opinions before he sees the shows/movies, and it does feel like he's doing it for clicks.
@@mveytia Yep. The agenda seems pretty obvious after this video.
Bullsh*t, take your paid shill arse and go home.
She has no backstory crediting her having any training as a mercenary, marine, soldier or agent... how can she be so good at overpowering other soldiers that are men?
How is that Marc has the powers of a God yet has to be saved by her the whole show?
There is a feminist agenda being shoved down our throats with Marvel.
You denying it means you don't live in reality, you clown.
This show wasn’t the worst out of all the other shows Disney has made but it did eventually disappoint me. Rest In Peace Moon Knight
omg bro shut up
I think that’s the worst that could happen to a show. Surprised delight turning to shitshow.
Oscar Isaacs look his performance was good because I feel like there is really nothing memorable. Well this probably the last D+ show I will ever watch until X-Men '97 or when the get X-Men and fantastic Four into the MCU and even then I will be iffy.
The final episode ruined this show for me.
for me, it wasn't bad at all but there just wasn't much of it. kind of like getting served a delightful piece of chocolate cake but only being allowed to have one spoon full
edit. lol I wrote this before hearing the drinkers food analogy.
I’m starting to think that Critical Drinker is a contrarian when it comes to some shit especially this. Hawkeye was a disappointing show but Kate Bishop is a comic character who is actually well written and fun to watch, she isn’t a diverse replacement for him she’s a mirror image of his youth in the comics at least and has been in existence for over a decade. As for moon knight it just seems like he’s nitpicking and basically slept though the whole fucking show. Layla isn’t just “strong female character” she’s basically spector’s tether to a normal life and his past. It disappoints me that they replaced Marlene with a nearly identical character on paper. She also doesn’t just win all of the time, she nearly gets murdered multiple times and frequently gets over powered and manages to get out of it with luck or by the skin of her teeth.The show didn’t promise anything about a globe trotting adventure either so that’s just unfounded. Only you who seemingly watched this show on the verge of sleep would think that the previous events before the asylum are fully real. If you knew anything about Moon Knight you would immediately question the reality of events from the first episode and even if you don’t know shit about moon knight, the guy has three personalities you would question whether or not what he sees is real. Also Steven is the way he is so that he becomes the comic version of himself later on, he has more agency over himself as the show goes on and by the end is as competent as Marc in certain areas or even surpasses him. They had to make Steven an every man so that they could not only build up to the mystery of who even is Marc Spector but also because since moon knight is obscure they needed a gateway character that could be more relatable to the audience so that he could later develop. He isn’t weak either he’s literally an integral part of the plot because of his intelligence and argues with Marc and wins sometimes. Comics Grant couldn’t handle himself in a fight either he’s a rich stock investor, Mr. Knight in the comics is a mix of Grant and Moon Knight as he’s a different personality who can fight and is calculating, moon knight himself is also another personality formed by the other 4. My problems with moon knight are lack of blood, lack luster cgi and that I wish that there was more ambiguity to what was happening with the gods. This was a good show obviously not even in daredevil’s league as he’s my favorite marvel character and that his show is one of my favorites of all time but it is quality but could still improve in future seasons.
facts
Totally agree💯
Finally a valid critique! Although I'm not usually a fan of gorey heros,I do agree with your points because you DO know your stuff.Especially the part where you mention the right mindset to watch this: doubt whether or not it is real.
I hate how some people's complains in a way that really shows that they misunderstood the characters & the story.The kind of people who calls it bad because the story is 'weird and confusing'.
I love you so much
Man, I normally agree with you in most of your points regarding Marvel shows, but I'm unfortunately gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Moon Knight is very much a show about Marc Spector and his damaged psyche from begining to end, and at no point does Layla takes over as the MC. The only time where she even comes close to that is when Marc is quite literally dead, and even then her mission was to follow Harrow and free Konshu so that he could revive Marc. And even when she gets her own powers, she still has to fight alongside Moon Knight in order to defeat Harrow. And either way, they almost lose until Jake swoops in and ends the fight.
Yeah, Drinker was kind if off the mark here. He usually makes great analysis vids. But he didn't seem to be paying attention here.
Yeah, it’s been not my favourite Drinker’s take. Besides I do actually identify with the weak and insecure Spencer.
@ To ny knowledge alot of people liked Mark more then they liked Steven.
Bait and Switch is tiresome.
@@marcusaurelius5149 expect that, as I said above, it's not really bait and switch
Tell me you haven't noticed Jake without telling me you haven't noticed Jake
I'm convinced this guy just complains about everything even if it's good
@@punkydamonkey989His whole channel is complaining
It's kind of sad how all the marvel female characters literally have no personality. It's even more sad that they're included because they have to be.
Feels almost sexist against women
@@3_smh_3 Bruh
Strong and has vagina. That's all you need bruh. Take it or leave it. Racist.
Layla is step above the other females
@@moderatecanuck Yeah in terms of dumb ass powers that is. At least until we get she hulk. Which will be a thousand times more absurdly powerful than any other because stronk and independent.
I will say that it does make sense for Steven to be the more kind and gentle of the identities because people with DID typically develop identities that are more equipped to deny trauma than face it. When he discovers that his mother has been dead for 2 months he was literally in denial while Marc knew about it already.
Lets keep disorders out of this.
@@univeriseman8008 any more garbage suggestions regarding a show about a man with disorders?
he never had DID in the comics until about 5 years ago and even then it was up in the air. he also never had childhood trauma that is all BS the show made up.
@@jnever9768 And? Its good that adaptations dont use 100% of the comics or else they'd have a hard time making the giant purple simp look like a compelling villain.
@@jnever9768 childhood trauma is a reason why some people have DID tho
I liked this show, and enjoyed the introduction to the Moon Knight character. I never read the comics and was fascinated by the concept and felt the acting and effects were great. I can agree with a few of the criticisms made, and accept that it is nowhere near perfect and opportunities were certainly missed, but I’d say that many of the criticisms here are very harsh and that plot points and exposition was watered down and omitted to portray the show as subpar. It’s fair that some will not like the show and I am open to videos like this that challenge my perspective after having seen a production, but I felt this video was overly harsh. If you’re considering watching Moon Knight definitely give it a whirl. It stands out from the rest of the recent shows Marvel has been churning out, and I felt that “the message” was far more subtle here than in other Marvel films in this phase.
I see the “Mary sue” aspect to “what’s her face,” but I actually really enjoyed the show, the acting performance by Oscar Isaac was out of the park, and I liked the fact that they weren’t in a different exotic city every scene. It made an already complex plot a bit simpler.
how is she a mary sue?
Yes, but did they answer the big question:
Did Moon Knight ever get his money from Dracula? That big fuckin' nerd.
My #1 is with the show was "Strong Female Character". She was dreadfully boring and un-interesting.
I was engrossed enough in the show until a few episodes in when it felt like 90% of the episode was about her, and it was clear that Moon Knight/Steven/Mark were taking a backseat in their own show.
I can't stress enough how over this phase I am, with its agenda to obsess over pushing diverse characters over the ones we actually care about. Especially with some of these female characters that just kill any momentum a show had.
Honestly she wasn’t all that bad. Kinda annoying in the beginning but she ended up just, well not that bad, at least not a show stealer.
Well she was only a hero temporarily she didn’t take over Mark‘s mantle he still got his powers/contract back they’re working together she’s not only there as a strong female character she was literally the wife of the guy that was trying to figure out why he was “missing” and the show is clearly not about her she’s on the side, majority of the time is spent with Mark and others. The show is called Moon Knight.
@Honey st I've seen Moon Knight and I can 100% guarantee that without her the show would have been way better ;
She is a literal Deus Ex Machina :
Anything happens ? No problem, Laila is here to get the Mcguffin, or help Mark, or free Konshu, or know the magic spell to emprison Ammit, in short, I think the writers hide their incompetence behind the SJW banner.
Also, that scene where the girl says "Are you an egyptian superhero ?" just made me break a nerve, I myself am Arab and I found it quite refreshing to have a movie with an Arab/Egyptian theme but that scene was such an unbelievably clear pat on the back of the writers for being "sO dARn iNclUsIVe" that it made me realize that no one at the multi-million dollar company that is Disney cares about Egyptians or their culture or anything other than money and their own self-assurance that they are the "HERos".
@@ludwigvangaming1822 it has nothing to do with inclusion she is his wife and she only has like 1 episode where she was the main character in it lol and sure she is annoying sometimes but so is Steven being a little bitch the show is not perfect but I dont think a character that was barley in it affected anything in the plot
Yes, but how many one dimensional, poorly developed strong male characters get a pass? Why is it only the female ones who get criticized?
It's weird that a film like dr strange thats made for the mainstream audience including children manages to be alot more brutal with its violence when a tv show that's rated tv 14 that is built around It's main character being a literal mercenary is very tame with its framing of the violent scenes and the fact it is based on a obscure marvel character.
I'm glad people are calling out the lazy writing of this review, this is the first video I'm seeing of this channel and it sounds like some generic 'anti-SJW' agenda crap. Look mate I hate that shit too but bring some actual arguments instead of shouting standard talking points we hear over and over again. You overlooked far too many details about the story and show just so you could complain about the newest phase of Marvel shows, it's just sad.
If only they could just tell 1 story. Not everything has to be convoluted.
Episode 1: Off to a great start
Episode 2: THE WOMAN
Episode 3: I stopped watching
Oh no! Not a woman!
Sadly I think this review was a missed opportunity to highlight what made this show better than most. Issac was brilliant and it’s great to see show driven by minority mythology..plus this must be one of the few Disney shows with the Violence , aggression , blood, body count, dialogue and commitment to character development.. it’s biggest failures are the rushed final episode and the drive to not give away the identity/nature of the 3rd persona. We needed to see the birth of JL caused by his mothers abuse rather than the intro of Steven. Easily one of the best recent Disney plus/marvel productions ..Looking forward to season 2.
He said the acting was good. Although I'm not sure there's any reason to say it's "great to see show driven by minority mythology". For one thing, the show is driven by the comic; for another, the mythology isn't very accurate; for a third, it's not like Egyptian mythology is some sort of obscure subject, it's not the mythology of the highland people of Southeast Asia or something.
Kind of disappointed The Drinker didn't acknowledge the subtle yet noticeable diversity like the main character being Jewish, and not to mention the fact that his character isn't built unrealistically which I find a bit refreshing. Also, say what you want but I like Steven more than Mark because he is very useful with his knowledge and interest in Egyptian myths and gods. Like some people are saying in the comments: Mark is the muscles and Steven is the brains, which is why they complement each other.
Moon Knight's story was good and very entertaining, but too generic, and that's what Marvel is becoming. Watching it felt the same way as with Loki, a really intriguing character with a large potential for an amazing story but was put into a generic and watchable story with the only goal to be more of the same Marvel Formula (but now with new characters) and never breaking off from its own chains.
Look what they did to a dark and complex character as Moon Knight, he's a family-friendly Deadpool in the MCU now.
@don't be surprised bot
Wait till they bring over the real family friendly Deadpool.
I managed to last about 1/2 way through episode 1 of Loki I think I deserve a medal
Just cause Steven an identity made some jokes like a normal human being, the main identity is the non goofy Marc and now the Moonknight is Jake who is fully dark due to abuse and won’t make any jokes
@@kingovharts I pray Ryan Reynolds says no to that cause it basically his child
I watched the first 2 episodes and was really into it. I stopped half-way through the 3rd and just couldn't bring myself to get back into it. I feel the mysterious-ness really helped initially, then every reveal fell flat.
I really hope you are not criticizing this show after only watching 2 episodes lol
I just commented the same exact thing. I watched the first 3 episodes and just lost steam for it. Idk what it was about it, it just got too messy for me. I can't put my finger on it but I think it had a lot to do with the fact that I (90% correctly) predicted the end of the show. No reason to bother watching. Plus, I agree about the mystery aspect, just seemed like there were no stakes to the story. At least Wanda and Loki show furthered some larger plot points.
On a side note, went and saw Sonic 2 this weekend and it was a great watch, would highly recommend. Sonic 1 is on Prime if you haven't already seen it.
@@higherchd1 He can since there's only 6 episodes. If it was 13 + maybe.
@@higherchd1 I didn't even criticize, I just said that the way in which the show unfolded didn't hold my interest enough to stop my work just to watch the show. I might watch it later.
@@chrisjohnson3967 Sonic 2 was trash but ok
Disagree. Really liked the show, and the psychology of the main character was very well done and intriguing.