I totally agree with you, a SI hatch would be a great idea. But i doubt Honda would ever make one because Honda thinks if you want a hatch that's sporty, then you might just have to opt for a type R.
Yeah I just bought a 19 SI sedan if they made a hatchback SI I I would be so fucking pissed that I didn't wait for that lol. But I like the sedan it's very chill doesn't look like a hot rod like the type R I'm just not into my car looking so out of this world
You should transform one into an Si like people made a Focus ST sedan. To me, that is truly unique and that is deserves mad respect because it's not produced in the factory. Of course, it's going to a butt load of money but it would be super dope. Lol.
I like the fact that this doesn’t guy doesn’t seem so scripted and robotic, when he talks he talks like a guy who is just trying to describe it to you.
Owning a Honda Accord Sport with CVT and paddles...I can tell you, in either "D" or "S" mode, tapping the down shift paddle puts the "virtual" gear in the sweet spot to accelerate. Keep in mind when in "S" you have to continue to up shift with the up shift paddle, when in "D" it automatically reverts back. I have yet to see anyone reviewing these cars demonstrate this. I also use the downshift paddle to brake assist with the engine. Also, if you have it in "S" and you don't touch a paddle, it will shift automatically but with higher rev changes. If you select "S" and tap a paddle, it put's you in manual and you have to up shift to the next gear. To disengage, just put it back into "D". It's not so boring if you operate the car in this manner occasionally, although it does not replace an actual manual. Good review, I'm considering a Civic Hatch Sport next, so thanks.
Hatchback should have more power to compete with other competition. I understand it'd take away from the Type R, but on-par with the Si or maybe a little more than the Si would make sense. It is more expensive, too.
Got mine last week I love it. I went from a 14' Focus SE so its a big step up. Loads of technology, CVT is surprisingly good and I love the styling especially the rear end. Lights are fantastic at night too. If you're concerned about power, just an ECU remap will see gains of 40+hp given its turbocharged, that would take you considerably above a stock SI. I plan on doing a tune soon, it will also improve responsiveness and fuel economy on highways too.
@@JFomo yeah but my new cars wheel controls are that horrible gloss black plastic seems like that’s what they all use now. A plus to the touch volume was that whoever was riding shotgun couldn’t mess with your volume the amount of times my passenger started turning the a/c knob back and fourth with a confused look was hilarious
Only bad thing with the Sport trim is that they took away some of the goodies offered on the sport touring, like heated leather seats, larger infotainment screen with Android auto/Apple carplay, full LED headlights with auto highbeam, Lanewatch, moonroof, rainsensing wipers, dual climate zones, keyless entry/pushbotton start, and a few more things.
Leather seats in my opinion is a blessing and a curse. They do feel better yes, but when it’s freezing or blazing hot outside, it’s the worst thing to sit on and they get creases over time. It is also a safety hazard for “me”. It will feel to good that I’ll fall asleep behind the wheel
Awesome review! Recently just switched from my TLX to the ‘19 sport touring. Tbh I’m loving this car. Every bit of it is awesome, and VERY good fuel economy, saved me a lot of $$$ on gas.
Well, as your grandmother says, not my cup of tea! Looks nice but I would prefer the civic SI to this tour model, more ponies! And of course, the type 'R' has the wow factor! Great presentation Joe, as always, keep em' comin'.
Great video Amigo!! This civic sport hatchback is a great car that’s y I own one and had a blast when I took it to the tail of the dragon at Tennessee !! Can’t wait to go back for another 318 turns in 11 miles on the sport civic!!
This CVT is underrated. Ive put 60k miles on my 2016 sedan cvt so far. It took awhile before i really learned how to utilize it correctly. First you have to stop treating it like it needs to work like an automatic. It is very tourqy between 2500-4000 rpm, it doesnt force a fake “shift” or “adjustment” unless you let off the accelerator. Also if you are cruising 60-70 mph on the highway and you want to aggressively pass someone, you give it a sharp jump to 3500-4000 rpm and it picks up at a very satisfying speed. When you force it above 4500 rpm, that’s where the power drops off and there’s nothing there.
@@philipgeeslin7566 I now own a 2017 Si coupe and a 2017 Accord V6 coupe Manual. The LX Sedan was a fine car for the time I had it, but I’m all for manual transmissions now. Nothing better than rowing the gears.
Love that 1.5 turbo motor! I just have mine on ktuner and I have it on Factory boost levels and it still is very satisfying to drive I can go from 17 PSI up to 23 PSI by pushing a couple buttons with my cruise control but I don't even turn it up because the car doesn't need it. 3,000 RPMs & above it shits n get...i mean 4 a civic that gets 32+mpg
A little fun fact, Someone dyno’d The Sport hatchback CVT and was reporting 180+ HP to the Wheels, not the crank. Which means that The Sport hatchback has more Horsepower than what Honda advertises.
Giovanni Cruz Seriously, You’re buying a Civic Sport. If you want to Mod, Get the Si. The Civic Sport CVT is meant for the average commuter who drives to and from work.
this year civic and the 2023 differ a lot but are also great in each of their own ways. hard to decide between this legend vs all the new tech in the 2023, shows how well done this car really was
I have the same car, 2020 model year, and with the CVT in Sport mode and using the paddle shifters to keep the RPMs above 3000, the CVT lag is gone and I have more fun shifting this car vs ANY manual car I've ever owned!
I saw a post from HondaPro Jason that the manual would be offered on the touring hatch for 2020. Really hope so. Would love it if we could get the Si in a hatchback.
xil3ntkha0s, you’re probably right and it’s unfortunate. I honestly don’t think that if we had a Si Hatch that it would impact sells of the CTR because the price and performance delta are so significantly different.
That's the exact car that I had prior to getting my 2019 Civic SI. 2017 hatch ex it's just mine was the CVT. But 6 speed to 6 speed, it's very close but the limited-slip differential is a HUGE deal (1 tire 🔥) sucks & the seats are much better & sport mode... But relatively speaking they are very very close but with the price difference being so minimal why would you not get the SI?? Different turbo sodium filled valves couple Grand more well spent $$ imo
I was thinking of trading in my civic hatch sport with 2k miles 2018 and they wanted to give me 18k for it... i really want that si but at the same time i really like the space the hatch has to offer. I guess in other words i want a si hatch lol
hit me up bro 602-733-2959 they're trying to rip use a fuck off dude your car is brand fucking new they gave me $18,000 my 17 hatchback that had 31k on it...I don't play that dealer bullshit if they want to sell me a car they got a make them numbers right but yeah I agree to hatchback is a better body but I wanted the SI I've had an 8th gen 9th gen now I have the 10th gen lol
Thanks Joe and Big Guns McGee!!! That is one amazing car!! Great review Joe!! Your channel impresses me more and more the more I watch!! Have a great weekend!! I have been wearing my Raiti’s Rides Shirt 👕 often!! Let me tell everyone that it is the most high quality and most comfortable fabric I have ever owned!! Hope to talk soon Joe!! God bless!!🙏🏻🚙🚘🚙🙏🏻
There is an update on the Type R!! I got good news a little bit ago and the dealership got the vin Number for my Type R and it’s ETA is the later part of April!! It’s all built and on the way!! I am so excited!! I will keep you updated for sure and send you pictures when I take delivery of it!! 😀🚙🚘🚙😀 I will make sure you’re first to know!! 😀😀😀
I got a Civic SI sedan it was hard choosing between the SI and the hatchback sport but I wanted the performance and went with the SI but if they had an SI option with the hatchback that would of been awesome.
Love mines Just recently purchased !! Adaptable to any type of car !! I have an 2010 Camaro 2SS, 2017 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro , 2011 Nissan Maxima, and I prefer to drive my 2019 Civic more than all of them !!
Hi--- I really like the enthusiasm and honesty you put into in all your reviews. You always go into detail on cargo space, styling and how it feels when driving. If I had the cash around this would be my dream car. After this I also like the Elantra GT hatchback, the Kona and the HR-V evegasoline
Hi--- I really like the enthusiasm and honesty you put into in all your reviews. You always go into detail on cargo space, styling and how it feels when driving. If I had the cash around this would be my dream car. After this I also like the Elantra GT hatchback, the Kona and the HR-V even though they under powered I will take any of them. I don't like trunks. I like lift backs aka hatchbacks so I can haul stuff plus haul from Home Depot._______ THANKS!!......Honda is very big in the small engine biz too, such as what powers lawnmowers, pressure washers and larger machinery. So I figure Honda is doing lots more gasoline engine research and advancement all the time as opposed to (for example) Toyota.
Like the vid 👍 Ugh...forget type R, we need hatch Si Only makes sense, still don't know why Honda did not do it. Those that want type R will still get one, but for sporty daily Si hatch would be ideal.
I have the SI with the 10 speaker ~450w system and it’s absolutely phenomenal for the pricepoint. Only downfall are it’s lows in the bass. Sounds better than my $600 headphones being quite honest.
Mohamed Mehmood Good for you buddy; I was replying to the gentleman above, who asked for an opinion on how their sound systems are. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this conversation.
Mohamed Mehmood What types of speakers are in the car? I’d be surprised if you knew anything-other than the branding-on the subject. You seem to be the type to only buy expensive cars for status, not for a passion for cars; consequently, you wouldn’t know anything about them past their price, manufacturer, and some of it’s features.
I am so sorry to hear your are not happy with that decision! Maybe you will find things about it that will help along the way! I think it was wise to do the financial thing. Those are not always the easiest decisions!
Wouldn't buy a civic with the 1.5 turbo until they figure out this oil dilution problem. Just had the recall done on mine yesterday and their extending the powertrain warranty an extra year now.
The Kanuck I got their recall letter and haven’t brought it in, I’m running ktuner shine 5k km now 85k km, I think the recall was the software update and thermostat hardware replace?
@@jasontruong48 The service advisor said it was just a software update and they're also changing the oil as part of the recall. Honda Canada is also extending the powertrain to 6 years or 120,000km. Basically the service advisor said the only vehicles they've seen that have had oil dilution are people who commute very small distances. I commute 130km one way so I didn't have any issue with oil dilution.
The Kanuck I have been running ktuner since 5k km and now at 85k km both long and short trips, and I never have oil delution problem, is it because I’m running ktuner? What do you think?
Yeah I'm like you i hate that chuckie black corner pieces in back it need smoother it needs a dual clutch cvt nope they have a drone sound and they hunt for gearing
I test drove this exact car with Pearl Sonic Gray color. I loved it. The CVT wasn't half bad, not perfect, but the performance felt really nice with great handling. I hope in the future when the production of the Honda Civic comes to the US especially the Hatchback, that the CVT will become a ivtec engine. I'd be happy if Honda made it primarily Ivtec with a few components of their CVT from the Accord. Would be perfect.
Love the look of the civic hatch. But I went with the corolla hatch because that deep open console where the cup holders are. I really like my cars to be clean. And I was looking at that console wondering how much junk will fall inside and god forbid if you ever spill liquid inside lol.
That’s the reason you went with Toyota? Bro you know the civic hatchbacks are way more powerful than the corolla hatch because of their turbo. Way better mpg because of that.
Eddiev8 well a few things. I was reading about the oil dilution issue as well. And the volume knob lol. The center console. But so far I really like the corolla hatch. And for the engine. I’ve driven both. The civic is not a ton faster. I saw for 2019 they added the volume knob. So maybe my next car in a few years will be a civic again. Also for 2018 model year. The corolla had more standard features for like 5k less then the civic hatch sport touring.
Go with the Corolla hatch. Your granddaughter won't look like a ricer, and Toyota is more reliable because it uses both port and direct injection. Whereas Honda is only direct injection coupled with turbo, so expect their cars to have carbon buildups; meaning higher maintenance cost. Every 30,000 miles you have to remove the intake manifold and manually clean the carbon deposits. Unless you know how to do it yourself, you'd have to hire a professional to clean it for you which would run you a couple hundred dollars. If you go with Corolla get it in manual because the CVT have faulty torque converter. They're getting recalled as we speak. Just look up "corolla hatch cvt recall".
Hi Joe, love your videos! I'm from Bradenton, FL and would love to see you go down to Hendrick Honda of Bradenton to do some reviews in the future. It's a great dealership that really cares about their customers. Your review of the 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T with the "slick shifting 6 speed" was part of the reason I purchased one in February. Loving the vehicle and just this weekend my wife leased a Touring model of the Accord
Hi Tim! Congrats on your new Hondas! That is a really great suggestion! I will see If I can get a good contact person to call. I am so glad that you are enjoying your car! I hope she brings you many smiles per miles!
Congratulations bro you got a couple of nice rides in your family lol. I have a 19 SI Civic it's more than big enough for me & you should look at doing ktuner on your new car. Gain 20hp & 40tq under $500! & if you keep your foot off of it you will actually get better mileage. Look into it
@@timd.2505 if they know it's on there and they're being sticklers about it yes it could void the warranty but it's very easy to take off n once you take it off they will never know it was on there, & you can take it on and off with your computer in about 5 minutes time. it just makes the car so much more pleasurable to drive & I mean you have a Honda I don't think you have too much to worry about when it comes to warranty 👍
Great review as always ! b for $24,000 you can get the SI Civic with an LSD and no one size k series direct inject turbocharged motor that has a huge aftermarket supporting Network for it .;the aftermarket support is so great for that car they already have it running 11 80s with a stock turbo
Well…the sport touring hatch is a solid 5k over MSRP of an Si…So the whole you get what you pay for idiom kinda backfires in meaning. The sport trim, in 6-speed manual, however does slide in about 3k less than Si..However, I’m more a fan of the Si for sure. Just wish it was also offered in a hatch like countless others have said as well.
@@davidcoons89 The interior in the Sport Touring is MILES better than an SI, you get more features with the Sport Touring for sure, you're just getting more power with an SI. It won't offer leather seats, all the adaptive cruise control and lane assists etc.
I ordered mine more than 6 months ago, now they dont even know when it will arrive due to Brexit and factory closing in UK. Not sure if thats bullshit or not, but what to do ? Look for another car or worth waiting dont know how much more.
Sorry to hear that. Looking elsewhere inbox Honda’s line? Or other new or used? Or you planning on waiting it out? Best wishes, regardless of your choice in the matter. The good news if you do go with something else is that there are lots of good options at and below that price point anymore. Frustrating tho, especially when you’ve clearly had your heart set on a specific vehicle.
Why are they still putting pin stripes on cars? What year is it 1990? 😂 I love the front minus the oar/paddle look. How was the road noise? I remember it being so loud in my 2009 Civic. Anyone who I called on Bluetooth would ask me if I had the window open.
I have a neighbor that has this car and I look at it all day and I get sad cause Ik I won’t have this car as my first. I had a dream about it lmao I’m 15 hopefully I get this car man...
Question??? Test drove this car today, loved it. Only concern is the low profile tires. I'm actually replacing a Cadillac ATS coupe. I'm doing this because how fragile the tires are. I'm not a careless driver, however I was unable to avoid a moderate sized pothole and instantly destroyed the tire. We are in pothole Haven here and I'm scared to drive it. I believe the tire on the Cadillac was a 225/55/17 not sure of the Civic -sport touring ... Your thoughts on how likely I will have the same problem ..
Hey guys..help me out..Should I purchase a 2018 Honda Hatchback Sport Touring with 97000 miles. Or keep my 2017 Nissan Rogue SL with 62000 miles in it. 100,000 mile warranty on my Nissan🤔🤷
everyone knows 1.5t civics are underrated in power, many videos of people showing their civics on dynos getting numbers up to 197 and 206 for a stock hatch, that’s at least the most i’ve seen out of a stock one. so id imagine a hatch manual shouldn’t be a “downgrade” from the si.
Love that flavor! The hatchback reminds me of the crosstour only sportier. Is this a crossover? It seems to be as functional as the crv which is based on the same platform. Thanks for the video. I am pretty sure this is an mpv, right?
I absolutely hate the hatchback, I own a Civic Touring sedan & my opinion it’s very conducive to turning into a hatch because of the rear design & do it like the Kia Stinger or Audi A7, I think they would do very well with that & just ditch the hatch. My own opinion
@@sveddish They're basically the same. The Del Sol vs the successor to the CRX. In essence, they're the same because Honda just changed the name after a certain year.
Still love the Ford fiesta St if they bring over the European version over it will stun the civic Ford fiesta rocks boy if they bring over a Ford fiesta Rs with 250 hp 260 lbs ft of torque it be bad azz
Dude, when I got mine-the dealer tried to charge me $500 for adding “door protection film” - I laughed. I ended up driving off the lot paying thousands below MSRP. 😃
Si is way better due to the seats and LSD haha. Hatch is for those who need more space. Hatch is fun (brother has one) but the Si (I have one) is a whole new beast. And of course the type r is a whole new beast from the Si
Answering the very question Raiti himself posed in the title of the review yet kinda neglected to outright answer…but as usual, it was still a solid review, and an enjoyable one to watch. Thanks for the valuable input, especially coming from someone who’s not only driven both powertrains, but also someone clearly familiar with both. I figured the CVT alone would kinda make it an apples-to-oranges comparison, but even on the sport trim with a 6-speed manual, the LSD the Si possesses raises its game pretty significantly..and the 25 HP certainly isn’t hurting its case for the more sporting vehicle either. I just really wish they’d find a way to offer the Is in a hatch. At a very minimum at least, to offer the sport touring trim with a 6 speed manual. Glad to know the CVT is ‘no slouch’ tho at least 😏😏 Also, the Si’s seats are so great like you said! One thing Honda almost always nails, especially in Si trim 👌🏼👍🏼
got one for about 1y; turbo is not quite instant, but overall turbo is nice, cvt is nice (with pedals), suspension/stearing is great, electronics / media is kinda junk
I have a 2019 civic hatchback am trying to get window tints installed but everywhere I go they want to charge me 350 bucks because of the spoiler on the hatchback so they say....
I think it would be great if they would pop in the 6 speed manual with a 250hp version of this engine and then you would really have a super appealing car. My problem with the Civic line is the 205hp Si is to mild and the Type R is too wild! Could you imagine me driving a Type R in New Joisey Joe and hitting one of those “ it grew overnight like a giant zit pothole” KKAAAPBAMMM!!! written across the screen like the 60’s and 70’s Batman used to do when he got popped in the chops. 20” rim just exploding. $250.00 tire shredded like pulled pork. Eight four letter words at a time spewing out of my mouth. Every one of them completely intelligible. Women and children running for cover. And this is my first Winter with my new Type R in New Joisey. Nope, no, nada, ain’t gonna happen. So I would need a separate set of 16” rims with blitzacts or however you spell that awesome Winter tire. So I’m like around $39K into this project. How about just getting a WRX⚡️STi and call it a day. These are the type of things that keep me up at night. Hey Joe, have you seen any ST’s with carbon fouled valves that are so bad that the lil’ Foci ST won’t even run right? Mine has 75K on her and thankfully no issues as of yet. All of these TGDI running around out there just waiting to grind to a sooty halt. Is it true or BS?
I totally can agree with where you are coming from! I would go WRX STI if it was me. I've heard about the carbon build up but haven't seen it first hand. I heard that bu getting on the loud pedal on a regular basis that is actually a good thing to help with that.
@Sergio Aguirre; “Stop living in a shit area” You simply bowl me over with you’re intellect and way with words Sergio. I bet you get all the girls with your irresistible charm. So you, like every other ignorant clown hear the words “New Jersey” and instantly think dumpster state. Well for a portion of it you would be correct but I live in the Princeton NJ area and you might of heard of that backwoods inbred college called Princeton University. Where I live you can be on beautiful country roads for miles on end two minutes from my crib. Where I live the zip code is in the top 5% of incomes in America. So the next time you get the spontaneous urge to throw up on your own shoes, You might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself. And since we are on the topic Sergio, oh please share with us the perfect utopia that you call home. Inquiring minds want to know.
whatEver I'd have to respectfully disagree. The ppl in the market for a CTR don't go and blow $40k - $50k on a civic just because it has a hatch. Typically the Type R buyer is a well informed enthusiast and Honda purist who appreciates what the car represents and it's capabilities which go way beyond just looks. A hatchback Civic Si would definitely deter sales from the regular (non-Si) hatchback though.
Honestly if they made an SI hatch I'd be a lot happier. I have an SI sedan it's great... But the hatch is way cooler than sedan.
I am really surprised that they don't
I totally agree with you, a SI hatch would be a great idea. But i doubt Honda would ever make one because Honda thinks if you want a hatch that's sporty, then you might just have to opt for a type R.
Yeah I just bought a 19 SI sedan if they made a hatchback SI I I would be so fucking pissed that I didn't wait for that lol. But I like the sedan it's very chill doesn't look like a hot rod like the type R I'm just not into my car looking so out of this world
You should transform one into an Si like people made a Focus ST sedan. To me, that is truly unique and that is deserves mad respect because it's not produced in the factory. Of course, it's going to a butt load of money but it would be super dope. Lol.
@@imtherealone.6268 the money it would cost... It's a bit ridiculous. I'd rather drive my SI sedan at a way lower price and not worry about it
Can't wait to fit my big bottles of mayonnaise in this beast
JR Silva thata boii
@@jerardortiz9088 wouch
Lol gottem
What?
Loooool yeah same
I like the fact that this doesn’t guy doesn’t seem so scripted and robotic, when he talks he talks like a guy who is just trying to describe it to you.
Thanks man! I really appreciate that!
Seems like a guy to have a beeper!
Owning a Honda Accord Sport with CVT and paddles...I can tell you, in either "D" or "S" mode, tapping the down shift paddle
puts the "virtual" gear in the sweet spot to accelerate. Keep in mind when in "S" you have to continue to up shift with the up shift paddle,
when in "D" it automatically reverts back. I have yet to see anyone reviewing these cars demonstrate this. I also use the downshift paddle to
brake assist with the engine. Also, if you have it in "S" and you don't touch a paddle, it will shift automatically but with higher rev changes.
If you select "S" and tap a paddle, it put's you in manual and you have to up shift to the next gear. To disengage, just put it back into "D".
It's not so boring if you operate the car in this manner occasionally, although it does not replace an actual manual. Good review, I'm considering
a Civic Hatch Sport next, so thanks.
Thanks for that great ownership input! I really appreciate it!
Hatchback should have more power to compete with other competition. I understand it'd take away from the Type R, but on-par with the Si or maybe a little more than the Si would make sense. It is more expensive, too.
AGREED! Very good points Tom!
Got mine last week I love it. I went from a 14' Focus SE so its a big step up. Loads of technology, CVT is surprisingly good and I love the styling especially the rear end. Lights are fantastic at night too.
If you're concerned about power, just an ECU remap will see gains of 40+hp given its turbocharged, that would take you considerably above a stock SI. I plan on doing a tune soon, it will also improve responsiveness and fuel economy on highways too.
Yep that volume knob is a big improvement. Touchscreen volume can burn in hell.
AGREED!
This is true, but some want to "FINE" tune their sound! ;-)
I had a 14 ex and I never minded it the wheel controls worked fine
@@lilkris3008 The plastic on the wheel control feels like the plastic used on a bic pen. I hate that too.
@@JFomo yeah but my new cars wheel controls are that horrible gloss black plastic seems like that’s what they all use now. A plus to the touch volume was that whoever was riding shotgun couldn’t mess with your volume the amount of times my passenger started turning the a/c knob back and fourth with a confused look was hilarious
drive the sport hatchback with 6 speed manual its amazing
AGREE! It's a fun car!
That's just what I was about to comment, that I'd take it in a manual!!!
Great minds think a like Greg!
2019 fk7 owner, the 6 speed is so fun. I was sceptical of the CVT trans
Only bad thing with the Sport trim is that they took away some of the goodies offered on the sport touring, like heated leather seats, larger infotainment screen with Android auto/Apple carplay, full LED headlights with auto highbeam, Lanewatch, moonroof, rainsensing wipers, dual climate zones, keyless entry/pushbotton start, and a few more things.
I just got mine today. 2019 civic hatchback sport touring. Its dope. I love it. From a beamer fan to civic fan. This car is fantastic
Thanks for sharing that!
Leather seats in my opinion is a blessing and a curse. They do feel better yes, but when it’s freezing or blazing hot outside, it’s the worst thing to sit on and they get creases over time. It is also a safety hazard for “me”. It will feel to good that I’ll fall asleep behind the wheel
Just got an SI. And before I made that decision I watched a couple of ur vids, love the review and enthusiasm.
Congrats Rodney! I really appreciate your support!
Seeing the Sport Touring in Sonic Grey, cemented my decision to get it. I absolutely love it, it is so fun to drive (manual transmission :-) )!
I totally agree!
If Honda wants to bring back a little more excitement, they should bring back the S2000. Save the Wave.
I could not agree with you more!
I recall my coworker having said a dozen yrs ago that the S2000 car was so gay! He drove a Jeep Wrangler Btw.
It is a potent car on the right road with right driver!
S2000! yes
we know who drives jeeps, lol@@gregholman2930
Awesome review! Recently just switched from my TLX to the ‘19 sport touring. Tbh I’m loving this car. Every bit of it is awesome, and VERY good fuel economy, saved me a lot of $$$ on gas.
Well, as your grandmother says, not my cup of tea! Looks nice but I would prefer the civic SI to this tour model, more ponies! And of course, the type 'R' has the wow factor! Great presentation Joe, as always, keep em' comin'.
Couldn't have said it better! Thanks for watching Paul!
Your the coolest and the best detailed car reviewer
Ryan that really means a lot!
Great video Amigo!! This civic sport hatchback is a great car that’s y I own one and had a blast when I took it to the tail of the dragon at Tennessee !! Can’t wait to go back for another 318 turns in 11 miles on the sport civic!!
This CVT is underrated. Ive put 60k miles on my 2016 sedan cvt so far. It took awhile before i really learned how to utilize it correctly. First you have to stop treating it like it needs to work like an automatic. It is very tourqy between 2500-4000 rpm, it doesnt force a fake “shift” or “adjustment” unless you let off the accelerator. Also if you are cruising 60-70 mph on the highway and you want to aggressively pass someone, you give it a sharp jump to 3500-4000 rpm and it picks up at a very satisfying speed. When you force it above 4500 rpm, that’s where the power drops off and there’s nothing there.
I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts from your experience!
Putting the CVT in S mode and using the paddle shifters, I find the engine is strong all the way to 6000 RPM. Try it!
@@philipgeeslin7566 I now own a 2017 Si coupe and a 2017 Accord V6 coupe Manual. The LX Sedan was a fine car for the time I had it, but I’m all for manual transmissions now. Nothing better than rowing the gears.
I just bought this car in Aegean blue. Gorgeous and fun car. Sure the cvt sucks but there’s a lot more on this that an si and I like the extra options
Mark MD was debating agean blue vs. sonic grey, which sort of looks blue in certain light. Still going back and forth 🤔
Designer should be highly credited. Best detailing video of this car on UA-cam
Love that 1.5 turbo motor! I just have mine on ktuner and I have it on Factory boost levels and it still is very satisfying to drive I can go from 17 PSI up to 23 PSI by pushing a couple buttons with my cruise control but I don't even turn it up because the car doesn't need it. 3,000 RPMs & above it shits n get...i mean 4 a civic that gets 32+mpg
i was in the market for Husqvarna L221A only has 160cc this si totally blows it out of the water good job honda.
Thanks for your input and perspective! I appreciate you watching!
A little fun fact, Someone dyno’d The Sport hatchback CVT and was reporting 180+ HP to the Wheels, not the crank. Which means that The Sport hatchback has more Horsepower than what Honda advertises.
That is a really cool fact! Thanks for sharing that!
Neil Tagaban but it’s a CVT so who cares. After awhile the belt will snap. 🤷🏻♂️
Giovanni Cruz And with proper maintenance, CVT belts lasts well over the Length of your life with the car.
Neil Tagaban not if you are modding the car.
Giovanni Cruz Seriously, You’re buying a Civic Sport. If you want to Mod, Get the Si. The Civic Sport CVT is meant for the average commuter who drives to and from work.
if im going to zoink it i’d like for raiti to have more subs because he deserves it 👍!
That is really awesome of you to say!
this year civic and the 2023 differ a lot but are also great in each of their own ways. hard to decide between this legend vs all the new tech in the 2023, shows how well done this car really was
Looking forward to getting this car soon! Great review!
I love this car. By far one of my fav purchases
This is my favorite vehicle!! Good job Joe.
This gen of the civic is the best looking one, inside cabin and exterior. I don't know what they were thinking with the 2022 generation.
I have the same car, 2020 model year, and with the CVT in Sport mode and using the paddle shifters to keep the RPMs above 3000, the CVT lag is gone and I have more fun shifting this car vs ANY manual car I've ever owned!
I guess I'm the 1/10 that use the paddles. All the time!
How’s your transmission holding up?
I saw a post from HondaPro Jason that the manual would be offered on the touring hatch for 2020. Really hope so. Would love it if we could get the Si in a hatchback.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
Lol everyone seems to want a SI hatch but won’t happen bc CTR
xil3ntkha0s, you’re probably right and it’s unfortunate. I honestly don’t think that if we had a Si Hatch that it would impact sells of the CTR because the price and performance delta are so significantly different.
@@subvet3668 by that time this lease will be over so I can return this for a SI hatch.. Here's hoping.
Great to see you reviewing cars the average person can afford. It would be nice to have Ferrari, Lambo, etc., but a bit over my budget by 200K
I totally agree with you Derek! I am glad I can share these with you!
I have a manual sport hatch as my daily and I love it :)
I have been looking forward to this review from you. Thanks.
I am so glad that I could bring it to you Issac!
That's the exact car that I had prior to getting my 2019 Civic SI. 2017 hatch ex it's just mine was the CVT. But 6 speed to 6 speed, it's very close but the limited-slip differential is a HUGE deal (1 tire 🔥) sucks & the seats are much better & sport mode... But relatively speaking they are very very close but with the price difference being so minimal why would you not get the SI?? Different turbo sodium filled valves couple Grand more well spent $$ imo
Very cool George! Thank you for sharing your input as an owner! You are so right about the LSD!
I forgot that you were talking about the touring model tho that car is actually way more expensive than the SI! Like 4k🤔
@@honda116969 that is a really good point!
I was thinking of trading in my civic hatch sport with 2k miles 2018 and they wanted to give me 18k for it... i really want that si but at the same time i really like the space the hatch has to offer. I guess in other words i want a si hatch lol
hit me up bro 602-733-2959 they're trying to rip use a fuck off dude your car is brand fucking new they gave me $18,000 my 17 hatchback that had 31k on it...I don't play that dealer bullshit if they want to sell me a car they got a make them numbers right but yeah I agree to hatchback is a better body but I wanted the SI I've had an 8th gen 9th gen now I have the 10th gen lol
Thanks Joe and Big Guns McGee!!! That is one amazing car!! Great review Joe!! Your channel impresses me more and more the more I watch!! Have a great weekend!! I have been wearing my Raiti’s Rides Shirt 👕 often!! Let me tell everyone that it is the most high quality and most comfortable fabric I have ever owned!! Hope to talk soon Joe!! God bless!!🙏🏻🚙🚘🚙🙏🏻
I am so glad that you are not only loving the channel but also the shirt! I really appreciate your support! Any word on your Type R yet?
There is an update on the Type R!! I got good news a little bit ago and the dealership got the vin Number for my Type R and it’s ETA is the later part of April!! It’s all built and on the way!! I am so excited!! I will keep you updated for sure and send you pictures when I take delivery of it!! 😀🚙🚘🚙😀 I will make sure you’re first to know!! 😀😀😀
I got a Civic SI sedan it was hard choosing between the SI and the hatchback sport but I wanted the performance and went with the SI but if they had an SI option with the hatchback that would of been awesome.
i’m debating si or hatch rn
@@STONERTELEVISION369 the new 11th gen SI looks nice but has a slight loss of horsepower.
Love mines Just recently purchased !! Adaptable to any type of car !! I have an 2010 Camaro 2SS, 2017 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro , 2011 Nissan Maxima, and I prefer to drive my 2019 Civic more than all of them !!
Congrats!
Hi--- I really like the enthusiasm and honesty you put into in all your reviews. You always go into detail on cargo space, styling and how it feels when driving. If I had the cash around this would be my dream car. After this I also like the Elantra GT hatchback, the Kona and the HR-V evegasoline
Hi--- I really like the enthusiasm and honesty you put into in all your reviews. You always go into detail on cargo space, styling and how it feels when driving. If I had the cash around this would be my dream car. After this I also like the Elantra GT hatchback, the Kona and the HR-V even though they under powered I will take any of them. I don't like trunks. I like lift backs aka hatchbacks so I can haul stuff plus haul from Home Depot._______ THANKS!!......Honda is very big in the small engine biz too, such as what powers lawnmowers, pressure washers and larger machinery. So I figure Honda is doing lots more gasoline engine research and advancement all the time as opposed to (for example) Toyota.
Hi Joe its seems very noisy when you're driving it ,was there much tyre noise and wind noise.
Like the vid 👍
Ugh...forget type R, we need hatch Si
Only makes sense, still don't know why Honda did not do it.
Those that want type R will still get one, but for sporty daily Si hatch would be ideal.
I am shocked Honda doesn't have one! I appreciate you watching!
Bring back the k20 n/a 210 hp so easy to work on beautiful engine unlimited after market options best engine ever made k swap everything
I don't think that is going to happen.
The K20 is still in the base Civic.
New sub... love the reviews.
Thanks Nathan! I appreciate you joining the Raiti's Rides family!
How is the sound system?
I like good quality sound and bass when I drive, does it have have that?
It’s pretty good but I think if you are like me you will probably basically want one more sub. On Spotify the equalizer definitely helps too
I have the SI with the 10 speaker ~450w system and it’s absolutely phenomenal for the pricepoint. Only downfall are it’s lows in the bass.
Sounds better than my $600 headphones being quite honest.
Steven Caicedo-Suarez lmao I got a 950w 13 speakers
Mohamed Mehmood Good for you buddy; I was replying to the gentleman above, who asked for an opinion on how their sound systems are. You have contributed absolutely nothing to this conversation.
Mohamed Mehmood What types of speakers are in the car? I’d be surprised if you knew anything-other than the branding-on the subject.
You seem to be the type to only buy expensive cars for status, not for a passion for cars; consequently, you wouldn’t know anything about them past their price, manufacturer, and some of it’s features.
I just got a Forte EX Launch Edition and I already regret it. I did it to be more financially stable, but man I should have gotten this car.
I am so sorry to hear your are not happy with that decision! Maybe you will find things about it that will help along the way! I think it was wise to do the financial thing. Those are not always the easiest decisions!
The CVT will die if you try to drive it like an SI. I blew two transmissions on the hatchback within 4 months of ownership before trading for an SI.
what u mean by trying to drive it like an si?
Christopher Hernandez stepping on the gas
Wouldn't buy a civic with the 1.5 turbo until they figure out this oil dilution problem. Just had the recall done on mine yesterday and their extending the powertrain warranty an extra year now.
That is a very good point! It is going to be interesting to see how this pans out.
The Kanuck I got their recall letter and haven’t brought it in, I’m running ktuner shine 5k km now 85k km, I think the recall was the software update and thermostat hardware replace?
@@jasontruong48 The service advisor said it was just a software update and they're also changing the oil as part of the recall. Honda Canada is also extending the powertrain to 6 years or 120,000km. Basically the service advisor said the only vehicles they've seen that have had oil dilution are people who commute very small distances. I commute 130km one way so I didn't have any issue with oil dilution.
The Kanuck I have been running ktuner since 5k km and now at 85k km both long and short trips, and I never have oil delution problem, is it because I’m running ktuner? What do you think?
Yeah I'm like you i hate that chuckie black corner pieces in back it need smoother it needs a dual clutch cvt nope they have a drone sound and they hunt for gearing
That is so very true!
I have a 2018 hatch sport absolutely no drone and no gear searching
I test drove this exact car with Pearl Sonic Gray color. I loved it. The CVT wasn't half bad, not perfect, but the performance felt really nice with great handling. I hope in the future when the production of the Honda Civic comes to the US especially the Hatchback, that the CVT will become a ivtec engine. I'd be happy if Honda made it primarily Ivtec with a few components of their CVT from the Accord. Would be perfect.
Thank you for sharing your input and perspective! I really appreciate you watching!
@@RaitisRides you're welcome! Honda might surprise people in 5 years from now.
This is very true!
So many opportunities. Honda... I think you found their new slogan
LMAO! One of the best comments ever!
Love the look of the civic hatch. But I went with the corolla hatch because that deep open console where the cup holders are. I really like my cars to be clean. And I was looking at that console wondering how much junk will fall inside and god forbid if you ever spill liquid inside lol.
That is a very good point that you bring up Dustin! I am sure that she will bring your many smiles per miles!
That’s the reason you went with Toyota? Bro you know the civic hatchbacks are way more powerful than the corolla hatch because of their turbo. Way better mpg because of that.
Eddiev8 well a few things. I was reading about the oil dilution issue as well. And the volume knob lol. The center console. But so far I really like the corolla hatch. And for the engine. I’ve driven both. The civic is not a ton faster. I saw for 2019 they added the volume knob. So maybe my next car in a few years will be a civic again. Also for 2018 model year. The corolla had more standard features for like 5k less then the civic hatch sport touring.
I'm cross shopping between this car & the new Corolla Hatchback as graduation gift to my granddaughter Which one is the better buy as her first car ?
I would go with the Toyota! The naturally aspirated engine is a safer bet in the long run.
@@RaitisRides Thanks I agree I'm an old school guy & still prefer N/A engines for now
Go with the Corolla hatch. Your granddaughter won't look like a ricer, and Toyota is more reliable because it uses both port and direct injection. Whereas Honda is only direct injection coupled with turbo, so expect their cars to have carbon buildups; meaning higher maintenance cost. Every 30,000 miles you have to remove the intake manifold and manually clean the carbon deposits. Unless you know how to do it yourself, you'd have to hire a professional to clean it for you which would run you a couple hundred dollars. If you go with Corolla get it in manual because the CVT have faulty torque converter. They're getting recalled as we speak. Just look up "corolla hatch cvt recall".
@@Hboogie182 Thanks I agree
The Corolla CVT is bad
Hi Joe, love your videos! I'm from Bradenton, FL and would love to see you go down to Hendrick Honda of Bradenton to do some reviews in the future. It's a great dealership that really cares about their customers. Your review of the 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T with the "slick shifting 6 speed" was part of the reason I purchased one in February. Loving the vehicle and just this weekend my wife leased a Touring model of the Accord
Hi Tim! Congrats on your new Hondas! That is a really great suggestion! I will see If I can get a good contact person to call. I am so glad that you are enjoying your car! I hope she brings you many smiles per miles!
Congratulations bro you got a couple of nice rides in your family lol. I have a 19 SI Civic it's more than big enough for me & you should look at doing ktuner on your new car. Gain 20hp & 40tq under $500! & if you keep your foot off of it you will actually get better mileage. Look into it
George R Thanks George, I’d love to get that done but does it affect the cars warranty?
@@timd.2505 if they know it's on there and they're being sticklers about it yes it could void the warranty but it's very easy to take off n once you take it off they will never know it was on there, & you can take it on and off with your computer in about 5 minutes time. it just makes the car so much more pleasurable to drive & I mean you have a Honda I don't think you have too much to worry about when it comes to warranty 👍
Great review as always ! b for $24,000 you can get the SI Civic with an LSD and no one size k series direct inject turbocharged motor that has a huge aftermarket supporting Network for it .;the aftermarket support is so great for that car they already have it running 11 80s with a stock turbo
I’m looking into getting one of these or an accord but I’m pretty concerned with the cvt what do you think ?
I have a 2019 sport hatch and I get about 31-32 in the city and have gotten an average of 40 on the highway👍🏼
Thanks for letting me share it with you!
Any problems whit car?How many km?tnx
aco devic idk km but I have 14.5k miles on it now and not a single problem yet👌🏼
They should have put the same front and rear bumpers on the non-hatch on this model. I don't understand Honda sometimes
I totally agree with you!
When Honda decides to give this car as much power as the Si, I'm upgrading mine.
Is it missing the famous honda conversation mirror? This is my new favorite car.
I appreciate you sharing your input and perspective! Thank you for watching!
So you didn't answer your own question, is it like an Si?
I leave the answer up to the viewer, At the end of the day it's your money.
Thanks for listing out that awesome info! You are spot on!
Well…the sport touring hatch is a solid 5k over MSRP of an Si…So the whole you get what you pay for idiom kinda backfires in meaning. The sport trim, in 6-speed manual, however does slide in about 3k less than Si..However, I’m more a fan of the Si for sure. Just wish it was also offered in a hatch like countless others have said as well.
Nope
@@davidcoons89 The interior in the Sport Touring is MILES better than an SI, you get more features with the Sport Touring for sure, you're just getting more power with an SI. It won't offer leather seats, all the adaptive cruise control and lane assists etc.
Hey, What is the difference between the Touring and Ex-L?
Touring is fully loaded.
My 2016 touring sedan is pushing 16 pounds of boost after a tune and is doing well 😊
Well done Cody!
@@RaitisRides thank you. I'm afraid to do anymore performance mods because of people saying things about the transmission though 😕
Nice little car, The kids will love it
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one!
I ordered mine more than 6 months ago, now they dont even know when it will arrive due to Brexit and factory closing in UK. Not sure if thats bullshit or not, but what to do ? Look for another car or worth waiting dont know how much more.
That is super annoying! Are you thinking about just getting something different?
Sorry to hear that. Looking elsewhere inbox Honda’s line? Or other new or used? Or you planning on waiting it out? Best wishes, regardless of your choice in the matter. The good news if you do go with something else is that there are lots of good options at and below that price point anymore. Frustrating tho, especially when you’ve clearly had your heart set on a specific vehicle.
Why are they still putting pin stripes on cars? What year is it 1990? 😂 I love the front minus the oar/paddle look. How was the road noise? I remember it being so loud in my 2009 Civic. Anyone who I called on Bluetooth would ask me if I had the window open.
It has gotten better but still not perfect. The best part is when dealers charged a stupid about for that retro look! I heard they add 5-10 hp!
Civics have always been a fun car!
And very good on fuel!
I have a neighbor that has this car and I look at it all day and I get sad cause Ik I won’t have this car as my first. I had a dream about it lmao I’m 15 hopefully I get this car man...
had a 17 civic hatch EX-L. great car all around.
Thanks for sharing your input and perspective! I really appreciate you watching!
Does this car have sport mode or the modes like an si does?
No
Question??? Test drove this car today, loved it. Only concern is the low profile tires. I'm actually replacing a Cadillac ATS coupe. I'm doing this because how fragile the tires are. I'm not a careless driver, however I was unable to avoid a moderate sized pothole and instantly destroyed the tire. We are in pothole Haven here and I'm scared to drive it. I believe the tire on the Cadillac was a 225/55/17 not sure of the Civic -sport touring ... Your thoughts on how likely I will have the same problem ..
Civic is 18 inch wheel. It is made by Enkei. I have hit some bad potholes with my Si (btw Si and hatchback touring have same Rims) and no damage.
@@Sror3d thank you!
Will the lx hatch with 174 horsepower be much slower? also is the suspension different in this model over the lx hatch?
I wonder how the CVT will handle a bolt on 1.5 turbo with a tune...
It probably wouldn't!;-)
Hey guys..help me out..Should I purchase a 2018 Honda Hatchback Sport Touring with 97000 miles. Or keep my 2017 Nissan Rogue SL with 62000 miles in it. 100,000 mile warranty on my Nissan🤔🤷
Here in canada we can get sport touring in 6speed manual.
Thanks for your input and perspective! I appreciate you watching!
I definitely wish we got that in the states! It’s a great ‘Goldilocks'IMO!
Are y’all sure about the times? When I had it I remember it being quicker then a 0-60 in 6.9 seconds. 2.7 charger is faster than that
Depends on the altitude.
everyone knows 1.5t civics are underrated in power, many videos of people showing their civics on dynos getting numbers up to 197 and 206 for a stock hatch, that’s at least the most i’ve seen out of a stock one. so id imagine a hatch manual shouldn’t be a “downgrade” from the si.
Does only the sports touring trim has push start button?
Love that flavor! The hatchback reminds me of the crosstour only sportier. Is this a crossover? It seems to be as functional as the crv which is based on the same platform. Thanks for the video. I am pretty sure this is an mpv, right?
Yes you are right! I appreciate you saying that!
I absolutely hate the hatchback, I own a Civic Touring sedan & my opinion it’s very conducive to turning into a hatch because of the rear design & do it like the Kia Stinger or Audi A7, I think they would do very well with that & just ditch the hatch. My own opinion
Thanks for sharing that Edward!
Raiti's Rides keep up the great work, I enjoy watching your honest reviews
@@luv2bottom that really means a lot! Thanks for those motivating words!
Edward Conner hatch is better.
It should come with active grill shutters like the2017 CRV.
AGREE!
The curved hatch kinda looks like the older Hondas, like the Del Sol or the CRX.
wasn't Del Sol the same thing as CRX?
@@sveddish They're basically the same. The Del Sol vs the successor to the CRX. In essence, they're the same because Honda just changed the name after a certain year.
Slurping up my Slurpee watching this review!
Still love the Ford fiesta St if they bring over the European version over it will stun the civic Ford fiesta rocks boy if they bring over a Ford fiesta Rs with 250 hp 260 lbs ft of torque it be bad azz
Te Euro version is very hot!
Why does the hatchback touring cost most than si
It comes down to tech.
Why don't more manufacturers put in that camera for changing lanes and turning?
I think it comes down to cost! I am sure as the years go by that will change.
13 minutes and 56 seconds of this video you called it a Honda SI touring lol
Good review though!
Oooopps!
What a silly little half pinstripe that dealer put on there. Probably charging an extra $200 for it, too.
Just doesn't look right.
Dude, when I got mine-the dealer tried to charge me $500 for adding “door protection film” - I laughed. I ended up driving off the lot paying thousands below MSRP. 😃
Si is way better due to the seats and LSD haha. Hatch is for those who need more space. Hatch is fun (brother has one) but the Si (I have one) is a whole new beast. And of course the type r is a whole new beast from the Si
Answering the very question Raiti himself posed in the title of the review yet kinda neglected to outright answer…but as usual, it was still a solid review, and an enjoyable one to watch. Thanks for the valuable input, especially coming from someone who’s not only driven both powertrains, but also someone clearly familiar with both. I figured the CVT alone would kinda make it an apples-to-oranges comparison, but even on the sport trim with a 6-speed manual, the LSD the Si possesses raises its game pretty significantly..and the 25 HP certainly isn’t hurting its case for the more sporting vehicle either. I just really wish they’d find a way to offer the Is in a hatch. At a very minimum at least, to offer the sport touring trim with a 6 speed manual. Glad to know the CVT is ‘no slouch’ tho at least 😏😏 Also, the Si’s seats are so great like you said! One thing Honda almost always nails, especially in Si trim 👌🏼👍🏼
is it possible to tune it with Hondata for more horsepower?
got one for about 1y; turbo is not quite instant, but overall turbo is nice, cvt is nice (with pedals), suspension/stearing is great, electronics / media is kinda junk
Does this also have the oil dilution problem?
Some have had issues.
What watch are you sporting?
Hi Kevin, it's an Invicta.
Nice, I have one of those watches, btw I drive a 2017 Si, great review.
I have a 2019 civic hatchback am trying to get window tints installed but everywhere I go they want to charge me 350 bucks because of the spoiler on the hatchback so they say....
Melvin Nieves yep. Two pieces of tint back there lol
I’m sure u can find a cheaper tint shop tho.
My sister ended up getting the civic sport i don’t think the dealer ship we went to had the touring yet
How does she like it?
I think it would be great if they would pop in the 6 speed manual with a 250hp version of this engine and then you would really have a super appealing car. My problem with the Civic line is the 205hp Si is to mild and the Type R is too wild! Could you imagine me driving a Type R in New Joisey Joe and hitting one of those “ it grew overnight like a giant zit pothole” KKAAAPBAMMM!!! written across the screen like the 60’s and 70’s Batman used to do when he got popped in the chops. 20” rim just exploding. $250.00 tire shredded like pulled pork. Eight four letter words at a time spewing out of my mouth. Every one of them completely intelligible. Women and children running for cover. And this is my first Winter with my new Type R in New Joisey. Nope, no, nada, ain’t gonna happen. So I would need a separate set of 16” rims with blitzacts or however you spell that awesome Winter tire. So I’m like around $39K into this project. How about just getting a WRX⚡️STi and call it a day. These are the type of things that keep me up at night. Hey Joe, have you seen any ST’s with carbon fouled valves that are so bad that the lil’ Foci ST won’t even run right? Mine has 75K on her and thankfully no issues as of yet. All of these TGDI running around out there just waiting to grind to a sooty halt. Is it true or BS?
I totally can agree with where you are coming from! I would go WRX STI if it was me. I've heard about the carbon build up but haven't seen it first hand. I heard that bu getting on the loud pedal on a regular basis that is actually a good thing to help with that.
@Sergio Aguirre; “Stop living in a shit area” You simply bowl me over with you’re intellect and way with words Sergio. I bet you get all the girls with your irresistible charm. So you, like every other ignorant clown hear the words “New Jersey” and instantly think dumpster state. Well for a portion of it you would be correct but I live in the Princeton NJ area and you might of heard of that backwoods inbred college called Princeton University. Where I live you can be on beautiful country roads for miles on end two minutes from my crib. Where I live the zip code is in the top 5% of incomes in America. So the next time you get the spontaneous urge to throw up on your own shoes, You might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself. And since we are on the topic Sergio, oh please share with us the perfect utopia that you call home. Inquiring minds want to know.
SI is the way to go.
Edit: If you decide to buy a Civic.
I can totally understand that!
An si hatchback would deter sales from the type r
It would be interesting to see how it would turn out!
whatEver I'd have to respectfully disagree. The ppl in the market for a CTR don't go and blow $40k - $50k on a civic just because it has a hatch. Typically the Type R buyer is a well informed enthusiast and Honda purist who appreciates what the car represents and it's capabilities which go way beyond just looks. A hatchback Civic Si would definitely deter sales from the regular (non-Si) hatchback though.
That is a very good point! Thanks for watching!
Well said.
I wonder if is worth it to buy a 2019 model. I have a feeling that 2020 has something great coming.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out!
joel Cazares yes maybe a new rear bumper. Then all us hatch owners can do bumper swaps. 😀
Is this a good buy used ?