CMSF2: Unconventionals Guide
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2019
- A detailed look at Shock Force's Unconventional forces.
I'm skipping a lot of technical details because they're already covered here: • Combat Mission: Techni...
Big thanks to Denis the Menace and Zahard from the Few Good Men who've helped me test some of this out.
SIr Lancelot's Syrian Army Realism mod here: community.battlefront.com/topi...
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Timestamps:
00:20 Combatants and Fighters
01:07 Uncon teams
01:55 RPG-7
03:00 Uncon groups
03:26 Level of equipment
04:25 Command and Control
04:50 Hiding amongst civilians
05:48 Command Groups
06:06 Combatant Command Groups
06:31 Fighter Command Groups
06:50 RPG-29
07:16 ATGMs
07:44 82mm Mortar
08:12 SA-16/SA-18 SAM
08:49 DShK HMG
09:11 SPG-9 Recoilless Rifle
10:10 Technical Groups
10:21 Heavy Technical Groups (ZSU-23-2, Editor only)
11:44 Transport Groups
12:24 Spy Groups
13:45 IEDs
15:29 DAISY CHAIN!
15:42 VBIEDs
17:03 Tactics? AKA, does anything help?
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In Battlefront's own words:
"Combat Mission Shock Force 2 finally updates the ground breaking Shock Force 1 game setting to the current Game Engine 4 environment. Due to massive changes over the last 10 years of Combat Mission development the updating and upgrading of the original content to current standards was no small task. Most of the 3D models had to be rebuilt, reskinned, and reintegrated into brand new TO&E coding. All original scenarios and campaign games had to be checked out, tweaked, and generally improved so they retained the balance and excitement of the originals. Fans of the original game will find that this is much, much more than a new coat of paint."
"Take command of US Stryker Brigade Combat Teams (SBCT) and Heavy Brigade Combat Teams (HBCT) to fight against Syrian Army Infantry, Mechanized and Armored units in an arid setting. Experience the full range of modern threats to conventional military forces, including irregular combat forces, terrorists, spies, suicide bombers, IED's and other deadly tools employed in the asymmetric warfare of the modern day. Play the Task Force Thunder campaign, more than a dozen carefully crafted battles, or unlimited Quick Battles." - Ігри
Don't forget that uncon v uncon battles are possible, so your side's disadvantages are your opponents disadvantages too. CMBS modern war has been criticized for been *too* lethal. CMSF2 uncons v uncons, by contrast, is basically neighborhood guys with guns.
Gang war
Amazing idea
I love these fights. The uncons should have access to a few humvees and (reserve) tanks too. Also they lack radios and they don't in real life.
Or imagine. syrian volkssturm who can blend in with the "Volk" and ambush enemies. Vs An actual huge war strike force like in the US campaign.
Uncon forces in the game are exceptionally well armed and organized. CM: Afghanistan depicted much wider quality of armament among irregular troops ie: old bolt action rifles and such left over from British Raj. In CM:SF they're uniformly AKs, a bit optimistic after what we've seen actually being recovered in a lot of the sandbox.
Even then the ucons are missing an important part of their kit. There has been footage of drone usage using quadcopters and confirmed reports of the taliban using space blankets to hide from IR.
I wanna see you play a game where you use these and just try to terrify your opponent. Imagine all the shenanigans you could pull with IEDs. It doesn’t even matter if you win or lose. It would just be fun.
You are doing some of the best work in Combat Mission. I love both you and Josey Wales.
Keep up the great content
Cheers man!
"Next up we have an 82mm Mortar which thinks it's a Segway." XD
Great video, very informative!
Igla, especially the S version is an extremely good man portable AA weapon. No game ever gives it as much credit as it should have.
Agreed, I use them in Black Sea and they work pretty well.
Still, its a MANPAD with poor kinematic performance and lacks a proximity fuse. It can be effective against helicopters, but fixed wing is almost untouchable by it.
saw the teaser at the end. so hyped.
;)
Greetings from Sweden!
Your channel is awesome!
Keep up the great work.
Top notch review. Looks like a fascinating faction to play, particularly in a delay scenario.
Delaying is probably one of the tasks they're better suited to. Part of me wants to make them work on the attack, but that's an uphill struggle.
Just like that 3:1 Syrian to NATO battle you were working on, right? ;)
I get the balance thing but the unconventionals would probably have cell phones to use as a radio substitute
It would be jammed
You can set electronic warfare setting to none so no jamming
Great video, thank you for the rundown! Hope falls well....
He's back! Keep up the good work, I hope you enjoyed your vaction!
Funny vacation- I probably played more CM than I have all year. Mostly a couple of WW2 games for the Garry Owen cup. Not sure if they'll make it to UA-cam.
I hope they do! Any day with a Hapless video is a good day.
Very great review! The OPFOR has always been understudied in CM's youtuber circle. That's why I found your video very valuable.
Just wondering: will you do a formation guide for CMBS's Russian Army?
Yes, at some point.
I am actually in my first ever multiplayer game as unconventionals several tips I will give
spy can use long range visual communication to communicate with the rest of there unit and verbal to communicate with units around them.
also you can have units with beater optics attached such as at-14 with the weapon's built in night vision
Segway mortars are for immediate suppression for 1-2 turns using direct fire. managed to inflict at least 6 casualties with the mortar alone. also after depleting they all have ak's so there basically 3 man rifle team
also highly recommend taking every unit as fanatical and the leaders as 1 man, elite, and +2 really helps with communications. also I make spies elite and have a lot of them 6 groups.
also don't take IEDs unless you have a plan for it. I have none in my current game.
yet another finding the experience, motivation, leadership sliders, as well as unit size in terms of squad count affect the ucncons starting supply when adding formations in the editor and I assume in quick battles as well this could be the difference between gaining or losing two rpgs
Is that a campaign map I see? Looking forwards to it!
Yep ;)
Feel like these guys are more dangerous than the Syrian army in urban environments.
Your content inspired me to grab the game
Would love to see an updated version of the Unconventionals ported into Black Sea, where they would have access to quadcopter drones, smartphones with encrypted messaging apps, cheaper and more abundant optics, etc. The gap between insurgent and concentional narrowed significantly in the 2010s, thanks in no small part to the Syrian Civil War.
Well, Black Sea is set around 2017 Ukraine. I don't think we'll see Syrian Uncons
@@OperatorMax1993 Well yeah, I mean they'd be generic Eastern European uncons, ofc, meant to represent both Ukrainian irregulars and pro-Russian irregulars.
I know it's not going to happen cuz the devs are, like, liberals or something and don't wanna offend anyone by making their game to similar to a real conflict, but a girl can dream.
Would love to see you take these guys out in a video
I have played a few games with the Uncons and... they're not very interesting. They're just too crap.
@@usuallyhapless9481 fair enough
Would be interesting seeing you playing as Unconvetionals against a superior enemy , a great way to show that good tactics can make the difference ...
When I play an interesting game as the Uncons you guys will see it. Tactics can only go so far when you don't have the firepower.
Say if you lose more than a squad you lost the battle. Body counts are nothing, cities are death traps in modern warfare. Irregulars got time on their side.
oh my god I'm down to the old videos where he doesn't have a working microphone yet
That's nothing! There was a time before I even had a mic :P
7:07 360 no scope with rpg
Jamsheed the RPG god.
Uncon are hard but if you know how to use your ammo and weapons right then there a little Easier to use just be prepared to lose half If not most your forces
Usually Hapless what do you think the future of the combat mission series is and what do you think the next game will be?
Personally I think the next combat mission game should about the Korea war but here’s what I think should be a feature in this CM game should be the ability to play ether in 1952 or in a fictional 2nd Korean War set in the most modern of times.
I think that should be the next combat mission game should do this because it fills the role of a conflict after WW2 and a modern war game.
Oooh tough one. I think Battlefront have enough on their plate with rounding out their existing games for now: Fortress Italy will get its last module soon(tm), then there's a module for Red Thunder that will take the Soviets to Berlin in '45. Final Blitzkrieg should have Commonwealth and end-of-war modules, plus Black Sea has several potential modules on the cards (USMC, Russian Airborne, Russian Marines, other NATO forces etc).
Outside of that, I think 1950s Korea is actually a pretty good contender, though I'd guess accurate ToE for the North Koreans and Chinese would be difficult to nail down. A lot of the weapons and equipment for both sides were WW2 vintage, so already 'exist' for Battlefront to use. Balancing gameplay (and performance!) might be difficult when one side has tanks + heavy artillery and the other has human waves; the later. I'm not sure that a future, hypothetical Korean War '2' would be much different from CMSF except in the terrain (also, given Battlefront's uncanny ability to make games about conflicts that haven't happened yet, I'm not sure its a good idea!)
I think some other good contenders are WW2 North Africa, Operation Unthinkable (Western Allies and Soviets go to war in 1945), Early WW2, Invasion of Manchuria would be interesting but probably too niche to be a realistic financial option, FULDA GAP (of course), Arab-Israeli wars... the difficult part for a tiny independent company like Battlefront is picking a subject that will sell with absolute certainty.
Wow, that's practically an essay. Would make a good video actually.
Usually Hapless I think another interesting CM game battlefront could make is a game set in Afghanistan in 2001 where US ODAs and the northern alliance fight to push out the taliban of Afghanistan.
That was just an idea but anyways I do agree with you, battlefront is overworked right now.
Thanks!
YPJ/YPG formations would be a great addition.
You lost a huge opportunity by omitting the Metal Gear Solid detection sound at 13:06
There's always next time.
Ironically a modern combat mission would have very good communication for the unconventional due to them using mobile phones
And a conventional force would have a field day listening to them or shutting them down.
@@usuallyhapless9481 sure but if what I have been told by someone that was in Afghanistan the insurgents would use them anyway
@@unaiestanconapelaez2526 That's usually the easiest way to target a cell for an airstrike. The smart ones are smart enough to not just hand away intelligence and targeting data like that, because that's one of the quickest ways to get nuked by a passing drone.
Sometimes they use them, but they usually don't survive long. American battlespace is subject to more or less constant and pervasive electronics surveillance and jamming.
@@haplessoperator this is kinda of old by my idea as a concept in game is giving the uncons the choice between not using them and work as they do in game or using them and get good communications in exchange of being marked in the map as contacts while doing it.
@@unaiestanconapelaez2526 That'd have been a remarkably clever way of doing it. That's a pretty damn solid idea, if there'd have been some way of flagging whether you wanted them to use anything past direct vocal communication and hand and arm signals, so as to avoid unintentional detection.
Hi Hapless, another great video! Any chance of a nato/dutch formations guide in the future?
Ideally, I'd like to do at least one formation for each faction. It just takes a loooong time ;)
@@usuallyhapless9481 Wow now that is good news but also very ambitious. Looking forward to that with patience.
Playing as the ucon is my favourite especially against my friends who really like to play as Marines but if im playing as uncon i always plays as the defender and never play as the attacker, because hey the uncon attacking a city that is being defended by american marines with air support and artillery is never fun and really hard for the uncon + you need ieds to win in shockforce 2 as the uncon
I know it's a bit late, but how do you install skin mods?
I think they are best when defending a high density city
Did you make that campaign yourself or is it on the forums, if so where?
I didn't make it. Its over on the Few Good Men.
Is CMSF2 worth getting or is it buggy?
Realistically, there aren't any major bugs- the bigger hurdle for new players is how dated and clunky the engine is. When you get used to it, its fantastic. But you've got to get used to it first.
How did you set up the mahoosive row of big boom explosives at 15:28? was it done in the editor? I wanna play around with this myself for fun haha
It's just a row of huge IEDs- simple enough in the editor.
@@usuallyhapless9481 Thanks for the quick reply! Figured it out! Now just gotta figure out how to make missions 2 player hotseat-able xD
Edit: oh I think mods are preventing me to do 2 player hotseat!
So for the IED's, you *always* have to have a triggerman watching? Even for cell?
Yep. There are victim-activated IEDs in game, which function essentially as large but unreliable mines, but the others are all command-activated and need the triggerman to be in range with LOS. Apparently CMSF2's Uncons really want to watch.
@@usuallyhapless9481 Haha, they're probably all just like me, enjoys big explosions. Thanks! I was so confused earlier as to why the IED said activated but wouldn't detonate lol.
Thanks again, and great videos :)
@@TheJackHood Everybody enjoys things blowing up ;)
Sometimes the IEDs don't detonate what ever you do though- whether because they go wrong or the detonate command is jammed by Blufor.
Man I took a bunch of mortars and thought their command HQ can call down arty via shouting but NOPE. Only the Spy Forward observer can.
All that black in the desert must be horrible. Though I guess they'd be used to the heat.
DLC Next plz
Can you make WW2 fromation guide ? I think it will be more interesting because the WW2 CM more balance than the MODERN CM, doesnt it ?
Yes and yes, but its a little more complex. The difference between the modern formations and the WW2 ones is that the modern ones are generally more interesting because they have a wider variety of units and more integrated combined arms. A US infantry battalion, for example, is almost entirely infantry (surprise surprise). The WW2 titles also involve considerably time spans: a German Grenadier Battalion in Sicily in 1943 is not the same as a German Grenadier in Italy, Normandy or the Eastern Front in 1944, or Western Europe in late '44-'45. Definitely doable though, I just need to get round to it.
some one knows how to switch rounds ? like in tank or AT gun ?
There is no way to manually switch ammunition types, the TacAI chooses what ammo to fire
If you look very careful you see that the Abrams has little or no anti personal ammunition. He has super communication Gunships and the Paladin 155 mm are on call to do his bidding.
@@CharlesvanDijk-ir6bl what?
RPG 7 in Vietnam wounded the crew of a Centurion and disabled the tank on the day. Some years ago, the guy with a titanium plate in his head finally was put to rest after suffering horrible headaches during the remainder of his life.
no molotovs equip option for them?
I don’t have gameplay experience but it looks fun.
Edit: I tried the demo. It’s fun but it isn’t feel complete, for example I called heli support but I only heard them and not see them. I did research and I saw that the devs are very bad and it’s completely overpriced for what it is.
Heli's usually attack from over 5 K's away; I can see you don't have experience. It is not a game as such but a simulator. It is derived from the software armies actually use with some more graphics.
Toyota Pick-Up Trucks vs a Challenger is not challenging.
Unfortunately, these are poor stereotypes to what a lot of our troops run into in real life, they now have high end AK rifles, such as the 100+ series, applique body army, 2-4th generation NVGs, top end, modernized sniper rifles etc.
The background for CMSF2 takes place in 2008, so I think equipment like that would be rare around ME insurgent groups at that time.
They have PDA's which is far more valuable. My sniper in the game took out 36 enemy. 35 by calling in the 120 mm mortar I assigned to him. He sniped one enemy combatant
As the first comment said, Shock Force 2 is set in 2008
they look like jaysh al mahdi from iraq