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oh yay. pants. it only took like half a century after the rest of america said “ok girls you can wear pants we dont care anymore” for them to catch up. welcome to the 1970s, watchtower 😂
So how long do you think that it will take before a video reminder comes out on the Broadcast strictly for the women in the congregations going over not wearing pants that are "too tight & immodest" like the men previously received?!? 🤣🤣 #ex-jw #pomosandpimos #thankgoodnessforex-jws
Yeah I'm an ExJW, sometimes I do the same with exMo content. I guess the grass is always....browner(?) on the other side. Although I don't think Mormons have policies that could lead to a parishioner's death and JWs do, so I guess we have y'all beat there. We're number 1 or something I guess. Lol
No one dismises science, everybody in our modern society recognize science importance. They just allow themselves to say science is wrong when it's against their ideas. Carl Sagan wrote a lot about this social phenomenon.
There is nothing wrong with science or gaining knowledge the problem is that people draw wrong conclusion based on a lie, confirmation bias and thinking not aligned with God's word the bible. The JW organizations doctrine is strictly guided by God's word. The problem is that most do not know what God's word teaches and often listens to people they think are in the know when in fact they have no clue. Even though the bible was written for all mankind the true God limits who he allows to understand his word based on the persons heart condition. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. (Matthew 13:10, 11) So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted.
@@ronhansen8471 well, for all we know all old dudes from the "Governing Body" might have no clue or be even slightly wrong but no JW is allowed to question them because it would be like criticizing the voice of God or something.
I will never forget when I was brought into the "little room" as they would call it, to be alone with two elders as they discussed my "inappropriate" wear and my body shape. I was around 11, my body was changing and I was made so aware of it then. They said should not wear those types of sundresses because it was "distracting" and showed my "figure". Mind you I was 11, still wearing a sundress from the preteen section and not really aware that the curves I was growing into were something to be sexualized. They said you could make a brother "stumble" and lead someone into "temptation". TO AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL. They asked me if I wore bras and what size etc. It was traumatizing to hear all of this from grown men. So many elders are creepy perverts and pedos, and it's all covered up.
I am screaming in my head as I am reading this. That is extremely creepy behavior. Though in hindsight not surprising considering what has been uncovered within the last half decade 😨
There's an actual pedo in my hall, he's a ministerial servant who assaulted an 8 y/o in the restroom. Did he get arrested? Nope. Still running the microphones.
That whole modesty talk is hilarious when you know that in the original text, they weren't refering to women who wore revealing clothes but to people (men and women) who were wearing expensives outfits and too much jewelry. Basically the text said "Don't brag about how rich you are with your gaudy outfits, stay modest inside and outside" *side-eye the JW higher ups with their 10 000$ watches*
This hahaha. I mean it's true that the hebrew people were not really showing off their boobs and butts like that back then either, but that wasn't what the passage was talking about. It's made pretty clear when it goes on to say to not wear a bunch of gold and "braided hair", that it's talking about being flashy and gaudy not how little clothing you have on.
"Learn to manage a home"?! I cringed so hard it hurt. 🤮 How are the single men managing to eat, wear clean clothes, or maintain a clean living space then??
apparently we don't: we starve to death covered in our filth. Their pov is not only misogynistic, it is also misandrist. Edit: Because men, without women, can't do anything apparently.
When I was 12 the elders begged my parents that I no longer wear "tube" dresses even tho I had 0 attributes at the time, because "even tho you see her as your little girl, brothers see her as a young woman"
This is a creepy view on girls. No matter what religion or denomination: If young girls - also toddlers, kids - are handled as a danger to men's chastity, something is FAR off.
@@thia41012 at the time my mum was rlyy into u know being a JW and she told me straight up what they told her, and said Marta I dont see it that way but they are the elders and they probably know better. Maybe I (my mum) am the one that is in the wrong. So I ended up wearing different type of dresses and skirts. Today neither me or my mum are JWs anymore. And the whole -women can wear pants now- omg we fliped at this after everything we had to adjust just to fit in.
I remember my mom being beaten every day by my father who was also a jw and when she'd report it to the elders she was told that she was hard headed and that was the cause for the beatings she received and no action was ever taken on my father...my heart has never healed for my mom. There's zero love in these people's home and yet they go out preaching about love, it's just beyond me🤦🤦
Oh well, he's living a lonely and painful life right now with no one to take care of him,not even his 'church'...I guess he's the one being taken care of by life Mr Willy, right 😁😁😁🥴???
@@weatherelectric3212 Hey, it isn't my fault his mother was an unruly wife who made bad decisions. I hope she managed to straighten up and fly right, for her sake, her kids, and her husband. Nothing like having to deal with an out of line mother/wife. I feel sorry for his father. Also has a disrespectful kid that doesn't appear to understand the situation his mother placed his father in.
When I was younger, i was actually sort of devoted to being a witness and I told one of the elders (basically a pastor) that I wanted to work aswell and “make Jehovah happy” AND I REMEMBER THIS MAN SAYING “well sweetie, that’s for the men you just need to help make more witnesses!” And he laughed along with my mom. I’m now an atheist ! 🥶
That’s disgusting. They act like they can crush people’s dreams and still have their allegiance. Can’t have the cake and eat it too and have someone else wipe your mouth.
Eeeeeeeeeeewww I hated it when they'd talk about women at the meeting. Especially when they'd say stupid shit about how "beautiflly FORMED" one was. They never did that crap with the men! "He was beautifully formed!" Nope. Just the ladies 🙄 🙄 🙄
Soooo....they acted like creeps, focussing on the shape of a woman's body? 🤨😨 Seriously, I wouldn't feel flattered if hearing this. Also women come in MANY shapes and forms btw.
Beautifully formed but then hide that beautiful form because it’ll drive men crazy and make other women take their men home and naggety nag them to death because they weren’t looking straight ahead at the boring monotone speaker! LOL 😂
Religious propaganda doesn't ever have to be subtle because questioning the religion is already bad. Propaganda for non religious topics have to at least try to make sense. But I agree it's disgusting.
Exactly, as a moe or less traditional Catholic who believes in gender roles. To say women’s work is less then is insane. I hate how JWs and feminists treat femininity as if is less than men’s work.
@@MrSophire feminists do not treat femininity as less than men’s work. They don’t want work to be segregated by gender. You will find plenty of feminists that embrace femininity. I’ve been watching videos of a feminist who likes to wear vintage dresses and discusses feminist, LGBT, and disability rights.
Not JW but catholic, I recall once saying I wanted to be an owner of my own business and be the breadwinner for my future family in front of my mom. She went on to scream at me saying "THATS THE ROLE OF YOUR HUSBAND, HOW COULD YOU EVEN THINK OF SUCH A THING!!??". She then lectured me on how its "women's nature" to care for the family and nurture the children
As rampant as that is within many Catholic circles, at least the last few popes never officially made such proclamations. A considerable number of Baptist-type denominations are *far* worse!!
What Catholic group were you raised in? Every Catholic woman I know has a career. Was it an SSPX Church? Does she not know about all the female saints that never married?
@@ninjaked1265 I've had the good fortune of being raised in moderate-to-liberal Catholic circles. St. Leo's a rare gem of a parish! My mom is a *feminist* Catholic -- as was one of my middle-school teachers [I attended a Catholic school in Tacoma]. I have, however, witnessed evidence of reactionary Catholic circles. I know that Latin American countries (with the possible exception of some Mexican archdiocese) have less to curb clerical chauvinism than do Canada and the US!
@@ninjaked1265 I live in an African christian country so most people have very traditional views just due to upbringing. Catholic women who have careers isnt uncommon but they are still expected to marry and be the primary caretaker of the house, regardless of how much they make or how many hours they work.
It all falls to the woman. She can’t always depend on a man. They take off like run-a-way dogs because other homes are willing to lure them with THEIR bones. Woman is a very strong creation.
I grew up as a JW, born & forced into the religion. the amount of times I was at the kingdom hall AS A LITTLE CHILD being sexualised by the old men is actually scary. they would touch my waist, twirl my hair, call my pigtails "handlebars" & more. it's so gross. I'm so glad that I'm no longer a JW & involved in religion in general.
The fact that an illiterate man can be over a literate woman just because a book or group say is nonsense. Just the fact that we operate from that standpoint alone and society shows me religion is just full of grifters.
No one is over another in the JW organization all are equal. The issue is that Jehovah God has established a headship arrangement and if you do not like that it would be advisable to take it up with our Creator not the JW organization. The headship arrangement does not make the man a lord or a boss. But I might ask do you have a problem taking orders from a male boss or any male? You need to get up to date with the JW teachings.
I have to agree, because I can see how the formerly non-religious grifters are flocking to it these days. Roosh V, the pick-up artist who made headlines because he wanted to legalize grape (may have been some Johnathan Swiftian point, if I'm being charitable, who knows but PUAs are notoriously scummy so IDC) converted to Christian several years back, doing the rounds on all the hyper tradcon channels that would have him and I didn't see a single person ask if he was really sincere. The grifters look like fellows to the religious people.
@@faustina9328 People can take it up with their Creator by reading his word and find out how men and women are supposed to conduct themselves and why. Women were created as a compliment to the man. The arrangement is for the man in the household to take the lead not as a boss or a dictator. Women today play a big role in the JW organization as teachers, organizers, workers and more and are taking the lead in many non-pastoral activities. In the JW organization woman are equal to men but considered the weaker vessel and should be treated as such. (1 Peter 3:7) "You husbands, in the same way, continue dwelling with them according to knowledge. Assign them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one, since they are also heirs with you of the undeserved favor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hindered" The Greek noun rendered “honor” means “price, value, . . . respect.” Forms of this word are translated “gifts” and “precious.” (Acts 28:10; 1 Peter 2:7) A husband who honors his wife would never assault her physically; neither would he humiliate or disparage her, causing her to feel worthless. Rather, he recognizes her value and treats her with respect. He shows by his words and deeds-in private and in public-that she is precious to him. (Proverbs 31:28) Such a husband gains not only his wife’s love and respect but, more important, God’s approval.
i grew up in the Southern Baptist denomination. At my church,we'd have Wednesday night Bible study. When the pastor would ask if there were any questions, I would raise my hand,ask a question,and get totally patronized..talked to like i was 5. Then, a man would ask pretty much the same question,and the pastor would act like it was the most intelligent question to ever tickle his ears.
Yep! I joined a Bible Study once and corrected a man in the group (nicely, but with a Medical background, I thought I’d set misinformation straight kindly)...the Pastor spoke right over me while I was explaining, continuing his whatever as though I was invisible. I arose gracefully and left never to return. I wrote a local newspaper comment about it without naming him. Got lots of response from women who felt ignored, diminished, invisible. It’s very sad. But women don’t like to hear from other women either, especially if the speaker is attractive. They are afraid their men might agree.
That happens to me alot and I don't even go to a bible study church or anything but I always get cut off, dismissed or ignored by well everyone from kids, men and women
@@magicmoonarthave you ever tried to find out why? If it is men, women and children everywhere all the time maybe go see a psychologist who can help you. Maybe follow some assertivity training. Good luck.
I have a superpower. I can and do interrupt any and all men no matter their station in life. I don't even think about it. It comes out naturally. Been doing it every since I'm a little kid. Sometimes the looks on their faces...😳.😂😂😂
My mom has become a religious fanatic ever since the beginning of the virus, for the past 4 years shes been spouting lines of how "our time on earth is nearly over" and we have had to attend church every single day since then as well as praying together every night for about 45 minutes. I have 2 more years till I graduate school and move far far away. Thank you so much for your videos, they give me so much comfort.
Hang in there, I’d rather be Catholic than JW, but I hear you. Understand completely! I was raised Catholic and went all through Catholic school. Geez. Those nuns were so doggone cruel!
As a Christian, I've always felt grieved for women in the JW cult. I've seen the way they are treated by their husbands while door knocking. When they came to my door to discuss the equality of Jesus to God (as they deny the deity of Jesus), the husband point blank said in front of his wife said "how can Jesus be equal to God the Father? My wife isn't even equal to me!"... Immediately, I addressed that poor woman, and told her "ma'am, you are equal to your husband, but more importantly, Jesus, who is equal to God the Father, loves you, and died for sins and rose again for you!".
I am also a Christian and i believe the bible teach that the head of the Woman is Her Husband,the head of the Man is Christ.the bible makes it clear that the man is the leader in the family. The problem is that people who doesn't want to obey this order from God makes is sound like its slavery or its not fair sometimes its because some people use this scripture in a wrong way. If we can follow what the bible teach woman be what the bible say and man be what the bible says,we will see that this order by God is a good order. The head of the family is a man i respect that because the bible say so and i am happy in my marriage
@@ahluma91 No, the men hardly have to do anything, At all, and they often don’t. When men don’t follow, nothing happens to them. Women are treated like absolute garbage. As long as you’re happy that’s fine, but your rhetoric looks as shocking and oppressive to everyone else, as you see from other religions. You’re still helping push up misogyny for women and little girls everywhere. Misogyny that should have died with Jesus. The Bible is written by men who edited it to control whoever they wanted, and part of you knows that. Even if you believe in God or Jesus, part of you 100% believes that the Bible is edited, and you know it. There is no way that the same people in which the Bible criticizes such as KINGS, and the rich would write things that remain as they are through translation. If you believe in the Bible to that extreme extent, you’re choosing to ignore the same brainwashing that told people to crucify Jesus.
Oh I also like the part where this mother comes to him and reports a guy creeping on her little girl and asks what to do. And Jesus told her that it's her daughter's fault for showing her knees.
I know several brilliant women in the JW organization, among the most intelligent people I have ever met. In one case, one woman was married to a very lazy man - a decent man, but unbelievably unmotivated. She could run circles around this man and any man in the congregation. She held her family together financially and in every other meaningful way. The incredible waste of potential is staggering. How contrary to the way Jesus treated women who in many ways placed them ahead of the apostles.
Seriously, Jesus was beloved of Mary Magdelena and she was beloved by Him. She was His listener, His confidante. He held great respect for her while others surmised awful imaginings about her.
I grew up a Lesbian in this cult. I left as soon as I turned 18 and my Mother couldn’t force me to go anymore. Years later I asked my PIMI sister if she could ever imagine me submitting to anyone, she had to admit that would be impossible.
I hate it how everytime i go there they talk about us women and/or girls as literal objects, i dont like being seen as such. Im a human being with human emotions not a damn object and im also a teenager who just wants a normal life and experience a good life. I would never submit to a man, never. Even my mom, who is a POMI, agrees that i shouldnt submit to anyone (she also tells me to not trust anyone in there but she still wont let me leave- so im a bit confused on what she really is-)
She’s a good mom who is afraid of leaving, probably. They’re pretty tough on those who want out. You should read the history of Queen Elizabeth, the daughter of Henry VIII. She swore she’d never marry or submit to a man due to how her father was. He was married six times and was known for his strict obedience from wives and women in general. She went on to become a great Queen who had the heart of a woman but the warrior-abilities of a man and the strength of a lion. Heroine.
I’m a Jew, so I’m very familiar with the story of Esther. She was NOT obedient. She literally went to invite her husband personally to her feast so she could expose Haman and save the Jews, which was illegal, because no one was allowed to approach the king without permission that she didn’t have. She was a badass, and she took no nonsense from anyone. Rebecca wasn’t blindly obedient. Some Midrashim postulate that Rachel intentionally made Jacob marry Leah so she wouldn’t be husband less. None of our matriarchs were quiet meek little helpmeets. ETA: just realized Haman autocorrected to Hamas. Oops.
I was given a marking talk at the age of 14 because I was very much an emo kid. So I had a white stripe right on the side of my head. With my natural black hair. The brother on the podium looked straight at me when he was giving the “modesty talk” and said we shouldn’t have hair with unnatural hair colors or highlights . I got up and cried in the bathroom at 14! Which made me more emo 🖤 😅😂 so I dyed my hair red cuz I was pissed. I had an elders wife come up to me during the assembly when I was 12 and told me my dress was way too short . She told my mom I looked like a whore and I need to go back to the hotel and get a change of clothes. My dress was barely above the knee being 5’7” I had a hard time finding long dresses. In service a sister said even though it’s 110 outside I still need to wear a cardigan and cover my chest at age 16 because I had too much cleavage. I can go on 😂. Safe too say self confidence was not my strength in the cult .
It was my first time to go door-knocking so an older JW lady comes up to me before I leave the house and she measures the length of my skirt. I wasn’t baptized yet. I threw her out. Changed into jeans and went to Starbucks.
I had an older sister always walking up to me, shover her hand down the front of my shirt and would pull up the undershirt. I asked her several times to not do it. My parents didn't do anything but tell me to fix my dresses and make sure it doesn't stumble someone. I live with my family that are still in. And my dad will say something about my daughter's dressing. It is never showing anything, I finally started replying with, "Don't look then." That makes them upset so I just roll my eyes and continue to repeat it. Like control your own eyes and thoughts.
Ew what the actual fuck- that’s actually assault oh my gods. You poor thing, that must’ve felt so violating. Good on you for protecting your daughter, I hope you can move out ASAP!
How old is your daughter? I mean, age doesn't really matter in this case because that is revolting behavior no matter what, but this especially worse if we take into context that she may be a child... yikes
i remember "leading the group" for field service as a baptized pre-teen, while Sisters several times my age wore handkerchiefs on their head and pretended this all made sense. lol what a circus
First time my sister-in-law opened her purse and plunked a tissue on her head to show submission to my JW bro doing our Bible Study, I got so upset I made them leave my home. It was ridiculous and insulting.
@britniemonet_3693 That's what you would think, and makes them seem "different." They don't physically force you but if you don't donate money you'll be looked at by EVERYONE as a selfish person. Not to mention all those kids videos they make showing children that donating is the best thing to do. They just use smarter manipulation tactics
I volunteered to paint an assembly hall once, I must have been 15 or so, and they assigned me to kitchen preparing lunch, under the "guidance" of a man of course. That was the last time I ever volunteered for anything. Don't get me started on the fashion police...
In addition to never feeling like I was taken seriously when I was trying my best as a creepy little cult kid, there were A TON of creepy elders being perverts, but also SISTERS who were bullies! Older sisters were so MEAN, especially over stuff I couldn't control. :'(
Maybe bullying made them feel like they had someone to morally disapprove of (so they could feel righteous). They may have also done it to feel in control. I'm not justifying it by any means, but I wonder if they hadn't grown up in the JW religion, would they have become like that?
“Sisters” were pretty mean. With looks and snotty Remarks they could tear you down and ignoring you too. The “brothers” were nicer but the Elders were of course, mean and loved to discipline, not hearing anything you had to say unless it was sexual or sensual in nature. I hear you.
@@user-uk2rp5cm1f They are manmade, always have been. People just get spoon fed the delusion that they are made by a higher being. People hate being controlled by others and the men back then knew that. So they created a higher system, something you can't resist against.
Yep. It's pretty universal in most, if not all religions in varying degrees. How ppl, especially women, can follow this kind of doctrine in this day abd age ulis just sad.. Saying that, it's still generally, in a much subtle way, still the same as overall society. Religion still has a stranglehold on bug parts of society. One of the reasons I hate organized religion.
I remember getting taken off the school at 12 for having 1 red koolaid streak in my hair, because of this I was a "bad example" and no longer allowed to be looked at by the "young ones". There was also a time around 14 that I wore jeans and t shirt to the meeting because I didn't want to be there, my abusive father was angry but he was also disfellowshipped at the time (I was thrilled that he couldn't talk religion with me). And when I did get baptized at 17 (due to running back to the org from fear after I did things I regretted outside of the religion) nearly no one treated me kindly and always looked down on me no matter how much I did, how 'perfect' I tried to be. I got blamed for the abuse my father inflicted on me, and the abuse of my husband who was at the time a jw. Elders 'warned' me to not "bring reproach on Jehovah's name" by bringing anything to the legal system.. I was constantly told that I was out of control and needed to submit and be an "obedient wife/daughter". I was told these things, all the while I was holding in my feelings and being quiet, I got depressed wondering how much more "submissive" could I be? . Although in my mid 20s, married and have a child, I'm still viewed as an actual child to my parents, and ones in the congregation still go to my parents to try and get them to "correct" me even though I left the org 3 months ago, and I have a family of my own. This is just a short part of my story as a woman growing up in the org. This religion, like many others out there truly hates women.
8:49, wasn't the entire point of Esther that she DIDN'T listen and obey? The story was about breaking rules as a show of courage. Every single telling of that story explains that Esther going to the king could have ended horribly and even she wasn't allowed in the throne room.
I became a JW when I was 12, married at 18, and left at age 19 when I went to the Elders for 'help' after I was drugged and date raped while on a 'secular' work trip away from my husband. As a JW, you are indoctrinated to go to the Elders instead of law enforcement for all matters, so that's what I did. I sat in a Judicial Hearing alone with 3 old white guys, having to recount in explicit detail what happened to me. The result? Instead of receiving any kind of help or support, I was disciplined (publicly reproved) and told that it was all MY fault and that it wouldn't have happened to me if I wasn't associating with 'wordly' people, and forced to APOLOGIZE TO THESE MEN FOR MY ACTIONS. I was completely blindsided when the first words out of their mouths after telling them what happened to me was 'Well... Are you going to apologize to us for what you did?' One of my biggest regrets in life is apologizing to them for being raped and not going to the authorities.
Wow. Please don't dwell in regret... these people are the ones who should be. No one deserves to be in that situation, and then be expected to apologize. Truly disgusting behavior. I'm so sorry, they acted like animals. Please treat yourself kindly, you deserve to heard, respected, and supported. Especially by the people in your life.
All my mom ever wanted was to be a wife and mother,and she has done it wonderfully. However,that was *her* choice. I'm a feminist, and i can't fathom not living in a culture where i didn't have a choice whether or not I had to be married to someone simply bc they had achieved status in the congregation,where being in love with the person was nice,but not a requirement. Reminds me of the book 1984, where one of Julia's friend had her husband chosen for her,and she was happy about it.I'm all for women who choose to be a housewife and mother, but she should *want* that life,not have it picked for her.
Great comment. In the 70’s, until JWs came and scared us about Armageddon, I love being home with the babies and caring for home and family. Then my sister would come to visit since she was an “executive Secretary” and put me down for loving my home and not “exploring WHATs out there”. Then my JW bro came along and said oh we love and respect women; then after the Armageddon thing failed and most JWs were wiped out, I disagreed with a doctrine, got turned in by JW husband, got kicked out....THEN damn straight I became a Feminist! Lost everything. I HAD to grow up and FAST! Fought WT hard. Fight even harder now, as a Woman in my own Writ.
I wrote several talks for male family members as a teen girl (even when I became inactive). it really made me wonder how many articles and talks were written by the wives and their husbands get all the credit.
I was raised in this cult Third generation Well trained to be modest but i was never submissive Im a figthter and no one messed or messes with me Not even any elders I did hear about other beautiful sisters with very good figures being told to not wear such tight fitting cloths so i advised them to tell the elders to say the same thing to the fat sisters whose cloths were skin tight 🤪👏 Glad to be out and be free
Yeyyy! Good for you! Do you think women will ever be able to wear pants in the KH? Imagine an elder trying not to look, so he elbows his wife and gets her to judge whether or not the curvy sister in the bulgey pants needs a Judicial Committee Hearing! Maybe then they’ll need a sister on a Fashion Committee because elders would “stumble”...all over themselves! 😂
@@randomimperialguardsmanfor9342There’s a lot of different sects of Christianity: mormonism, Methodist, baptist, etc etc. All stems from similar ideology
I was studying with the witnesses and would attend the meetings in jeans. And as I studied more and got more involved in the church I would get told every time to dress differently. I would argue and say it doesn’t say in the Bible to wear dresses that cover your knees or that woman have to exclusively only wear dresses to a Kingdom Hall, they would point to the modesty verse and I would argue that the verse is subjective and I do consider pants modest and if Jesus didn’t care then why do they, it was a constant battle. Then I stopped studying because it all became very restrictive and shaming.
I was a bigger kid in the congregation. I was 12 and the reason for the modesty talk. I of course developed a little quick being chunky and apparently giving hugs to the brothers were seen as possible stumbling block. a 12 year old hugging adults could cause improper thoughts in the adults... That's why you will never tell me they don't know about the things that happen in the congregation.
I’m a woman and was raised as a jw, my mom’s favorite way to brush aside my frustrations was to play the “well it’s not as bad as I had it game”. Whenever I would complain about the itchy dresses she would go into her story about how in her childhood hall women where not allowed to go without wearing panty hoes and one time she cried because she forgot that, and it’s wasn’t like that anymore so I had it so much better😒
I am a woman, with an IQ of about 125. I have a BSc in Environmental Science and Geography. My husband died when my younger son was three months old. I have two sons, my older son was 2 years old. My sons are now 21 and 23. I raised them as a single mother, they have jobs and rent a house together. I also own my own farm. It doesn't make much money, but it helps to feed me. Mostly I wear trousers because dresses are horrible to work in, on a farm, including when I need to work with my horse and other animals. As a Female Head of Household, I have always needed to make decisions with regards to my family's life and future. I needed to be both Mum and Dad to my boys, nurturer and authoritative figure. I have also had to stand up for myself and my children, from time to time. They are men now, they don't need me to protect them anymore, but when they were little, it was vital to all of our futures! I had to be a leader, because if I was not a leader for my family, my family would have fallen apart! My sons love me and we are still all there for each other. I am a Christian (a NORMAL Christian!), and I can see that something Apocalyptic this way comes and this is my main motivation for setting up my farm, to be a resource for when the Coprola Hits the Propellor. But I have nothing to do with any churches, because of their hypocritical BS. I stand before God with a good conscience, and that is what really matters, at the end of the day! All the Best, Panda.
There's a not that old speech from a governing body member, I think is Daniel Sydlik, from the 90's, where he says that if a woman realizes that she is smarter than her husband, she must put all her efforts in not leting him realize it. In other words, play dumb, women are not supposed to be clever. That was one of the most revolting speeches I ever heard.
And that SEEMS to be true wherever you are! I had a guy who couldn’t stand intelligence from a woman. So at his favorite bar, before I got up and walked out, I held up a book and said you should read this. Look! It’s called a “book”! It has in.for.mation! You can reeeead it. And you can even re-reeeead it! Bye!
Never had this problem. All the blokes I date seem to understand pretty well that I'm a inteligent woman and even to be attracted to the inteligente. Though I''m single for 3 years now and often feel lonely, I feel very lucky when I read other women experience with men.
@@dancingnaturecommon misconception, it isn’t that women aren’t supposed to be scientifically literate. it’s simply the case that most women don’t find that field of study too interesting.
Would I prefer to be a SAHM? Yeah. Do I have any interest in wearing the proverbial trousers in my relationship? Nope. Would I absolutely dropkick anyone who attempted to *force* me into either of those things? HELL YES.
@@danielarejgarwdym? I’ve read through this comment thrice and still can’t figure out what point ur trying to make here /lh. Yes she is a normal women because she identifies herself as a woman, why do you think she’s trying to pretend to be a non-woman lmao
@@galaxykitten6849 Because she doesn't want to admit that women naturally want to be homemakers. She also doesn't want to imply that men could have any sort of authority over their wives.
@danielarejgar if we naturally wanted to be that way we simply would. We naturally eat food and drink water, we are social creatures by nature. Someone's life path isn't a nature, we aren't a hivemind with the same wants as every other person. I don't get the delusion behind this mentality.
So I just watched this. I was raised in this cult from the time I was 4 years old till I was baptized at 17 and then left at 18. The damage done during those fundamental years of my life is hard to really explain. I cringe thinking back on it now. I remember the sister doing my bible study suggesting I wear makeup to be more presentable (I was 16 at this point) I was also advised to not persue education and do full time ministry instead, this eventually led me to drop out of school and do just that, getting baptized and doing field service full time at just 17. An older sister would always make comments to me about how she'd give me her recipies once I get married so I can make them for my husband. During this time my mother was fighting the congregation to get a divorce, of course everyone was insistent that she stayed even though my father had come out as gay and was never in the church to begin with. By the time i was 18 i was severly su*cidal and made an attempt which obviously failed. I never went back after that. The elders came to my house to get me to go back, but i was just numb at that point and just told them straight out that I had lost interest and couldn’t find anything within myself that motivated me to go back. I'm 26 now, my mom left with me and my father passed a while back though our relationshipwas better than ever at the time. Unfortunately my ability to form meaningful female friendships has been impacted and being around men just gives me too much anxiety, but I'm working on it as best I can. Every now and then I find another piece of indoctrination still burried within me that needs to be fixed, but I find that I'm a little bit better everyday.
Theres a kingdom hall right infront of my house, all i see are women in dress's . Everytime i go home they look at me horrendously with their word spreading cart as i mostly always wear pants or shorts w a t-shirt or long sleeve on top💀
The local JWs thought I was a demonic persona non grata because I would do a short ballet warmup before catching the bus in the morning . They couldn’t believe that someone my age could do those splits (I’m pushing 70) I wear leggings or pants on the job so it’s easy to dance in them
@@dancingnature Wow! Good for you! Me too! I put my music in my ears each morning and I’m dancing down the street and I’m 74! I love music and motion. It is the greatest Therapy: Dance! JWs are appalled! I am enthralled! I was a Music and Art Therapist long ago and if there’s advice I could give a former JW coming out, it’s this: listen to music (not KH songs of course), start feeling your life’s vibrations then start letting those vibrations work from toe to head or head to toe but move! Or if you want emotions to start coming out thatve been captive for too long, to music:draw! Paint! Or WRITE! You’ll begin to feel again, release all that anger and pain in a good way, cry even, and then you’ll look back at your creations and you’ll know you survived the WT of JWs!!! I’m really inspired by “dancing nature”, thank you! ♥️🌹
It’s always very revealing to me that every task deemed “for women” are always the most arduous and boring, and the most time consuming. All of the “men’s tasks” are actually fun and leaves you with free time.
Personally speaking, I feel that when you are a JW woman. You may find that it isn't just the JW men that control you. Other JW women will also tell you what to do or wear. They think there being helpful and kind. But it's actually rather controlling
Adding this to my “try not to get angry” playlist. Thank you for exposing this garbage Panda and everyone in the comments ❤😢 International women’s day just passed, let’s not forget what our fellow women sadly have to go through.
I left at 17. I was being forced to date a "brother", and we were intended to marry when I turned 18. I wasn't very pretty, so I was supposed to be happy someone wanted me. I didn't like him, and thought he was a complete moron. I got out, put myself through college, married the man I wanted, had three wonderful and successful children. My mother is still a JW, married to an abusive elder who gaslights her, and is cruel. She's stuck. I'm so glad I follow Jesus and can see the real truth.
That man couldn’t make his way through the aisles of a Liquor Store without a trench coat on! He was probably a shoplifter and a flasher as well as a boozer.
I am a med student and I have a very intelligent classmate who is a JW. It makes me sad as a woman and future doctor to see another woman and colleague so committed to this religion. The worst part is that we were in some kind of friend group and now another girl also attends the meetings. We talked about it and it hurt me to see how she agrees with what they stand for (homophobia, misogyny, slutshaming, etc.), so I feel like I lost a friend.
Fairly similar to what my mom and aunts do. They follow William Branham. Women dress in only skirts, can’t cut your hair, no make up, and must submit to the husband at all times.
Warning:Long Ass Text LOL. As a JW Pimo,18(and a woman)it disgusts me how they say that there not machist nor anything of the sort, when it is the opposite One of the first things that woke me up from this cult(besides the whole sexuality issue)was the fact that they could not have the same"privileges" as men. Which is why I am someone who is a feminist(no, I'm not talking about the feminists who hate all men). And I hate how they say in the religion that they have free will, and as a woman,it is the last thing we have(and as someone who likes dresses that are a little bit above the knees and has felt guilt in the past for having this kind of liking),I MUST DECLARE that i will NOT make my future kids feel that way in any way,shape or form. Hello panda and thx for this video,it has helped me to know more stuff about how this cult f_cks us up.
@ccsx2228 still pimo?Or left the cult and live on our own? Im pimo and I don't live on my own yet because i dont have an stable income rigth now but i plan to be an youtuber and study more about cinema(idk why,but cinema makes me feel something unexplicable,sonethung amazing)
I am a Christian woman. I work with children and volunteer a lot for my church, yet there still men who treat me and other girls like me like daughters or stupid little things that can't do anything I still get every support of all the leading (male) figures against the misogynistic idiots. Its still exhausting to always be underrated and looked down on. But ill make sure that the girls after me will not face the same treatment and that its normal for girls to take action and lead
@@niax782 ur right, ofc not all religions have misogyny baked in them it’s more like religious leaders who take advantage of people’s faith and add thier own takes and opinions usually leading to misogyny
one time i got one of those watchtower magazine things and there was a section for children where they gave a story from the bible and asked questions after and the story was about a woman getting r*ped and one of the questions were “what did she do to bring this upon herself?”. this was for children.
Ex-Mormon woman here. Quite a lot of misogyny I got was from fellow sisters who had no real other option in the church, having been raised to it, so they were quick to hush any woman that spoke out for fear that if they didn't, it would rebound onto them. I had a genuine religious experience reading a pagan book and the difference between it and the fake religion being shoved onto me by the men around me insisting that only they could interpret the sacred was so profound I could no longer lie to myself about it and left.
I'm am exmo too. This reminds me of how when I was 12 I overheard a young married couple in my ward talking with each other about a couple of their friends, saying their friends (who were a couple) would be such good parents and it's such a tragedy that they don't want to be parents and whatever. Even at the time it felt weird. They don't consider what those people are going through they just want them to serve the cult cause God forbid a straight couple refuses to have kids. There couldn't possibly be a reason that they don't want them! /s
I knew a girl back in high school who was really smart. Like, seriously, she was absolutely crazy intelligent. In all the GT classes, getting good grades and played the flute in my concert band. And this was a magnet school (as in, all students were in a magnet, and therefore, had to maintain a certain GPA to remain there). I personally would consider her the cream of the crop. She was a Jehovah’s Witness, and I remember her turning down prom, homecoming, Spring Fling, etc. because of her beliefs; which, don’t get me wrong, is all fine and good if it’s really against your beliefs and something you didn’t want to do. But what got me was that, when applying for colleges, she actually said that she was forbidden to attend college. Which surprised me because, as smart as she was, I genuinely believed she could probably achieve anything. And while I understand people not _wanting_ to go to college (i.e. too expensive, trade school option, waiting, job already lined up, just not wanting to deal with more school, etc.), the sheer idea that this girl made it clear she was _forbidden_ to go instead of just not _wanting_ to go because she, like her parents, were Jehovah Witnesses just absolutely baffled me. Like, all that potential, all that knowledge, all that skill… put away on an old shelf and left to rust, just so she can lose her identity to become a submissive wife to a man who might probably not recognize his wife’s true potential to be someone more is just… tragic. And before anyone says anything, l believe there’s nothing wrong with being a housewife. It’s hard work and one that’s genuinely underestimated and unrecognized, despite the fact it’s a 24-hour-job, particularly when kids are involved. It can be rewarding to see your children grow and your domestic affairs in order while you aid your husband in his endeavors outside the home, _if that’s what you desire._ However, there’s a huge difference in _choosing_ to be a housewife than being _forced_ (or coerced in these cases) to be one. To be essentially taught that there is a permanent glass ceiling, with your purpose is to be below a man due just the simple fact you’re a woman and for your whole life, your purpose is to maintain the four walls of your home and handle the unseen, unrecognized and unappreciated work of the church and house is such a terrible thing for these girls to grow up into, while the boys learn, even in such a restrictive cult, they can become something more and achieve more. These women can only continue to keep looking up through each glass ceiling as the men in their lives go up the career ladder, that these women helped build but can’t climb, to ascend to higher floors, further above and beyond, while they forever remain in the basement. Not even allowed to the main floor. Such an unfulfilling life. It’s no wonder they look towards the afterlife so much, because it’s the only place they believe their unrecognized and restricted hard work after burying their aspirations into the ground and mustering their willingness to accept themselves to be seen and treated as less than their male peers, will finally allow them of being awarded the grand opportunity to finally be seen as an actual person.
as a girl with a modest style (still willing to wear t shirts and pants that only show my ankles, and i was never JW luckily) i cant understand how wearing a dress even if its past your knees is "modest" i refuse to wear dresses because theyre a bit too girly for my liking, but also because they show my legs too much and i actually have to be consious about how i sit (unless i wear shorts under it) how is a dress modest
I've always preferred pants over skirts because I always thought some creep, bully or just the wind could easily lift the skirt in public so that anyone can see what's below. 😖
My grandparents were JW, and my grandma died, the speech given at the ‘preach’ would only highlight how good of a woman she was cause she submitted to her husband and always devoted to her family. I was FULL of rage, and now I feel so sorry that my grandparents wasted their lives there.
As a jew I almost laughed when they talked about Esther being MODEST. The reason the king chose Esther was because his first wife was too modest to dance sexually in front of the kings friends. If Esther had the same amount of modesty it would’ve killed the Jews. She stood up to her husband and she stood up to Hayman
Can confirm being curvier meant more talking-tos about clothing. My ex-husband (then a MS) and I had been dating for all of two weeks when an elder pulled him aside at one meeting and told him to tell me to never wear the skirt I was wearing again. It was winter. I had on opaque tights, it was a thick skirt that hit the bottom of my knee caps when standing, came up to the top when sitting, but I also had a cardigan to cover my knees in my seat. Nothing was tight, nothing was showing. But that skirt was an abomination because you could see my whole blue-tights covered knee for a total of maybe 5 seconds through the course of the meeting. I’m certain it was because it was high waisted so I tucked my shirt in, making it clear that I *gasp* have a butt!! It also offended me so much that I wasn’t even close to marrying this dude yet, and was a 26-year-old woman who’d lived alone for several years at that point, but the message had to be conveyed through him (who was 21 at the time - yes, I know; believe me, I ignored a lot of red flags) because we were dating so he was now my “head.” 🙄
According the the footnotes in my study bible from high school, rules for women about hairdressing were likely a means of narrowing the cultural gap between wealthy congregants and those of little means.
True. The wig fashions especially. The higher the hair, the higher in prominence. Marie Antoinette was a favorite and a real party-girl. She experimented with fashion and hairstyle and was a trend-setter. Even though she said of the poor: “Let them eat cake” and was beheaded.
@@christinesotelo7655 Some historians question the allegation that Queen Antoinette ever said that infamous quote; it may have been pure propaganda, like the accusations of incest with her son who had yet to reach puberty.
5:44 I remember a sister pulling me aside after one meeting to tell me that my dress was too high above my knee when I was sitting... I was 13, and started puberty much earlier than other girls my age. Growing up a jw girl, as well as one of the few Black ppl in my area was not fun 😭
When I was pregnant, I got a massive telling off by a sister because my knees were showing. My clothes were creeping up as my stomach grew. I shrugged and asked her if she was going to take me shopping for maternity clothes. I was not popular in her house.
I remember being in a meeting and my husband ( who's disabled and was recovering from a stroke ) had fainted, I was kneeling next to him trying to bring him back round to find out what was happening while calling and ambulance, and a sister told me to rearrange my dress first because my thigh was showing. I asked her what made her think I gave two shits about that and I didn't care if my entire butt was out, my priority was my husband. A few days later an elder wife tried to tell me off for risking stumbling brothers. Emphasise on 'tried' I laughed in her face
My dad would be the Attendant at Conventions and it was just me and him so I'd help him in handing out the programs or folding people's walkers. And everyone always questioned him. "Why is she handing out programs?" My dad's like "She's just helping me" The women at the Conventions were the ones sitting at donation boxes or the nurse station. I never understood why I couldn't do certain stuff just because I was a female and that's ultimately why I left among other stuff
I, a young adult woman, am here to share an experience about growing up in this cult. One time we were in service and this brother told my sister and I that he had "never met a female" that was as quiet as us. We're both shy. That's literally it. Also, what makes u think I'd want to engage in conversation with u if you speak to me like that?... be so fr. Not to mention the times that I got scolded for wearing inappropriate things (it wasn't too many times, but it made me very self-conscious to the point that I still dress pretty conservatively)
@daydream5120 yea I definitely feel the same way, lol. Like a lot of ppl don't know how to use discernment, and figure out when they should stfu (cuz a lot of witnesses say things they could keep to themselves)
I refused to attend the meetings at 15 after all my sisters and my mother had left. Having been raised as a JW from birth it completely took the rug out from underneath me. Everything I’d been taught was a lie. My dad is still a JW and he is a ministerial servant. He was an elder but stepped down after our family broke up because of the shame of them turning away from “the truth”. I love my dad dearly but when I look back on my youth it’s actually bonkers. I was discouraged to get a good education as when I turned 18 I would become a full time pioneer(go out door knocking) and then marry a Brother who would support me. I didn’t want that life. I’m a scientist working in microbiology now and have earned the respect of my peers in a predominantly male workplace environment. I’ve not married yet and don’t know if I ever will as I gravitate towards aggressive, controlling men as I was raised to believe I was in subjection to men and I didn’t realise how unhealthy and messed up that mindset is. I personally don’t think I’ll ever get over my past completely as that cut runs deep.
I'm not an ex JW but I have attended meetings with one. Her name was Miss J, Jehony pronounced as Johnny, and yes that's how it's spelled. She was a JW from when she was a child and her name was spelled in honor of Jehovah. I have no idea how old she really is but in her late 60's. She was our neighbor and I would have bible studies or attend a lot of meetings with her. Many of the brothers and sisters would ask me if I was getting baptized and committing myself to Jehovah, and for reference I was 13 (17 rn) at the time I attended, and at that point, I had only been attending for about 2 months. I met a sweet lady who was named Peaches. She was an absolute doll. Now Miss J and I were friends for a good while until she asked me to pay her back over 3,000 for things she had given me AND MY FAMILY over the years, for free mind you. She works as a manger at a grocery store and she would give us food the wasn't sellable but not spoiled. This was among some other things that fall into the line of "She just gave it to us". She harassed me to the point we were about to charge her for harassment of a minor. I reached back out a few weeks later to inform her of my Grandmothers passing as I knew no one would have told her, My gram was my life and world and they were friends until she became a C**t. Now up until about 6 months ago we got back in contact but I had learned she spilled our drama in the congregation and from then on Peaches would no longer speak to me and I was no longer welcome to meetings, which you know I was ok with. That being said, I hate this woman. When my grandmother passed away she said my Gram promised her a lot of our things or things she specifically left for me and my brother and threatened to call the cops because it wasn't ours. She walked all over my Gram and disrespected her memory so much, telling me I probably didn't care about Gram because I didn't call her asking her to pray to Jehovah for her. She also accused my mom of killing her sister when in reality her sister Oded after she was kicked out of my Gram's house she was renting (long story but My gram lived with us as the overbearing MIL and rented her house out. When mom kicked her out she Kicked Miss J's sister out). She also has called me crying over the loss of her sister who passed away in 2020, 3 YEARS LATER ALMOST EVERY DAY, and basically made that an excuse for all her problems in life but I know for a fact JW are taught to morn and move within like a week. It got to the point I told her I didn't want to hear another word from her or have her reach out to any of my family members because she was going to have to grow up and be an adult and stop calling a kid to solve your life problems. I haven't heard from her since then like 4 months ago but I have many more examples of how she was just a horrible person who didn't even follow her religion and how miserable the meetings were. I'm honestly glad I was no longer welcome because my mental health had such a downward spike after I attended meetings and how many brothers and sisters were just so...no. It was 100% a cult and I'm so glad I didn't get involved any more than I did.
Block this woman at every cost. My father has a sister who is one and she is very controlling and seem not to want to be friends with mostly people in her church. Never knew her untill i was lste 20s and she practically barged her way into my life and tried to tie my life up with all this JW crap. I too attended thr church a few times with her just to see whats up but brushed them off as soon as i pointed out certsin shit. I keep reminding her that she cannot apply JW laws to other people and she is very very ruthless. She helped me with a job once and because it didnt pan out how she wanted she got me fired the JW way. Anything thry help you with thry coming bsck to collect in nasty ways bordering on harassment, abuse and as illegal as they can be. She literally stalks me and even hsve friends who if they see me at work like when i got the job at a supermarket after not seeing her for 6 years becauze she didnt know where i was, thry tell her and she turns up every week on some BS. She is my fathers sister and she even stalks my mothers family who are in no way related to her wirh her JW bs trying to see if they will tell her where im at. Even turned up at my cousins work place saying im missing and looking for me. I dont even talk to my dad anymore because of her. He was glad he got rid of her and she stalking someone else with her JW.
Here is a hot take we are all equal regardless of sex, gender, pronouns, place of origin, level of education, ethnicity, race, eye colour, skin colour, hair colour, skin marks, handedness, number of body parts, hobby, occupation, job skill level, pay grade, socioeconomic status, ability, religion, creed, school of thought/ jurisprudence, denomination, political standing, philosophy, culture, subculture, generation, age, and body shape and size. We are all human, all 8 billion of us.
The whole thing about men doing all the duties and being the elders and ministerial servants never did make sense to me, since other churches allowed women to do all that stuff, and women can make certain decisions better than men.
Women had better learn to make quick-don’t-give-me-shit decisions. Because if a child needs a blood transfusion to save their life, most likely that father is a Company Man who’s going to say “No!” That woman better be able to shove him aside and save her child!
Wow. Im female. Why on earth would anyone put up with this? I mean I get people in other cultures where the *entire* culture is set up that women are kind of just unpaid labor for the benefit of men, its hard to see any other way. But if you live in the Western world, you will see women going around having similar social power to men, earning their own money, and doing what they want to. And whether "what they want to" is be a mom, housewife, or go climb the corporate ladder or start a business - its their choice to do it.
Being a witness woman was a nightmare, technically you rank lower than baptized male children (which is encourage at around 8 now). Imagine being in a service group of all 20+ to 70+ year old women and having to ask the freshly baptized 8 y. o. to pray for the meeting. I actively thought that since I'd have to follow headship if I was married, I might as well give up on the whole thing. And pour one out to the DESPERATE sisters hunting for 'a mate' cause they vastly outnumbered men. What an embarresment...
@@daniellevinson6975At least the Catholic Church evolves. But I don’t understand why all the old ladies have such short mannish haircuts. JW’s never change as far as blood-thirsty doctrines and hurtful punishments but they change constantly on stupid things like beards and changing words such as “the FINE Shepherd” instead of “the GOOD Shepherd” and the role and importance of Jesus...but anything that will medically save your or a child’s life using blood-no, gotta die. Shunning and losing all your loved ones-nope, no changes there. Protecting pedophiles, that may change with all the Court cases.
I hate when people read the first paragraph of a research and claim they know everything about it To put i simply: they use the information to their benfit and in the wrong way
I remember at a Witness picnic my JW Elder father asking me to get him a beer - which I promptly did. He then turned to another male friend and said “this is what girls are good at”. Ashamed to say I felt a bit proud! Now out 40+ years! I’m not ashamed to say I’m proud of my real accomplishments in life (college, retired from a Fortune 500 company with a great salary and benefits - insurance and pension!) All I want to do is shout from the tree tops WOMEN - please get an education. It will change your life forever!
On Esther: Esther did NOT listen and obey. Wrf? The whole deal with her was that she and every other young woman in the kingdom was essentially forced into the king's harrem. Each girl was to spend one night with the king, then go to live the rest of her life in a harrem, unless the king liked you and then you become queen. After the king's night with Esther, he "found favor" with her. That doesn't sound very chaste to me. And this was before her husband attempted genocide on the Jews btw. Also, the Bible usually is pretty good at listing the genealogy of a person. The fact that it doesn't mention any of Esther's kids leads me to believe that she had no kids.
I could’ve been a devoted JW, but the fact that I never agreed with this specific part made me never want to get baptized. I always told myself “one day I’ll understand and I’ll accept my place as a woman, but for now, I can’t devote myself to something I don’t fully understand.” Turns out I absolutely understood everything 100%, and I just didn’t agree with it. I couldn’t change that fundamental value within me. Edit: I have an experience with the sister I studied the Bible with. I told her about my aspirations. I said I wanted to be a history or a French teacher, or do something related to languages or history. She discouraged me from pursuing studies and told me I could be fulfilled by other things like… being an elder’s wife. I was too stunned to say anything and I was desperate to finally do something right in her eyes. But it never left me and still pisses me off because I delayed my studies for years because of this.
I can’t imagine being a JW but I do wish all women would know they are women. We are NOT second class citizens and we ARE created equal. I just tire of people questioning their biological sex. Thank you for this great video!
I had a lady come to my door as a JW, I told her we could discuss but I was not interested in converting. It was sad, to me that they were not to partake of food of those not of their faith. However, she did but feeling somewhat guilty. It was eye opening to learn a divergent view of spiritual matters, she was a very sweet, intelligent woman who knew her stuff. But eventually, I think her husband made the decision not to drop her at my house because I did not convert. Quite quickly, our conversations would be more than talking about the bible, not really personal, she was very guarded but I got the impression this time we spent together was less about converting me and more of a respite for her. I remember her astonishment when I politely asked her in to talk over some refreshments and she was hesitant but did. I already knew they were not to enter a home when out witnessing, but I extended the invitation , surprised she accepted. I really enjoyed those afternoon visits once a week.
This was the #1 reason I deconstructed. I had straight A's in school. (Not saying I am smart, but I am good at studying, and I studied myself right out of this cult.) I was always annoyed that women were blamed for the down fall of humankind when Eve wasn't even created until AFTER god told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Genesis 2:15-17 & 2:22. Also I was furious that rape victims could be sold to their rapists among so many other atrocities against women in the bible. My husband is my partner, NOT my master.
i grew up as a jw and i vividly remember a sister asking me "so do you plan on getting married when you grow up or stay a virgin and serve in bethel?" when i was ELEVEN. a lot of the sisters and brothers made me feel as if i was a dishonorable woman when i was only a preteen/teenager. now as an adult, i can see that they were full of bs and really creepy for telling a literal child that she was "being a stumbling block". really glad me and my family left that organization
the part about women's brain size being 10% smaller than a male's meaning that women are less capable of leadership... do they at all take into account outliers? do they ever look at a woman and see that she has a larger cranium than the man next to her, and deduce that she must be smarter? I'm a woman with an abnormally large brain size (though I don't believe I'm especially intelligent because of it, so there must not be too much correlation) that's easily noticeable just from looking at the shape of my skull, but would they who think that brain size is the be-all-end-all just look at me and assume that the size of my cranium must be largely empty, unused space because my brain should be 10% smaller than that of /any/ man?
THANK YOU for addressing that "appropriate dress" is really contextual. No one ever seems to mention that. People tend to have this very one dimensional idea of what people "should" wear but really it's about context. A pop singer may wear something outlandish and sexy on stage as part of a performance, but you wouldn't wear that to a PTA meeting. So much about how to dress appropriately is about where you will be going, but it's so weird when people compare their idea of everyday attire to what is worn in very different situations and use that as a way to shame other women. Club wear is not office wear and vice versa. Let people have their fun dressing up for the club, who cares? If you don't like it then don't go.
Our church would call them “eye traps” lol Then I became super punk for a while and made people uncomfortable 😂 One person said I couldn’t be saved because my hair was blue 😂😂
@@tinkercat8268 They saw the blue hair before in various DEI-slop online, saw you with it coming a mile away from your hair color, and reacted accordingly. As much as I disaprove of JW's, I wouldn't blame them for not wanting a wokie around to sue for imagined SA charges. That's just what normal people would do when they see someone with dyed hair.
@@Green-Raccoon777 lol WHAT?! No normal people do NOT jump to crazy assumptions like that over colored hair. That is insane. Especially coming from a collective group of people who like to throw the word “woke” around and can’t even accurately define what it means or where it came from.
In the cult I grew up in, women were also second class citizens, as well as brood mares. We were expected to be like Esther and Ruth , be attractive but modest, be sexually pure but also never say no to your husband once you got married, etc. I was very outspoken as a kid and teenager and did not fit in well.
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So cute yipeee
Whoa. 😂
oh yay. pants. it only took like half a century after the rest of america said “ok girls you can wear pants we dont care anymore” for them to catch up. welcome to the 1970s, watchtower 😂
Easier to run away ❤
So how long do you think that it will take before a video reminder comes out on the Broadcast strictly for the women in the congregations going over not wearing pants that are "too tight & immodest" like the men previously received?!? 🤣🤣
#ex-jw #pomosandpimos #thankgoodnessforex-jws
as an exmormon, sometimes I watch ex JW content so I can remind myself it could've been worse 😭
I guess it depends where you grew up mormon cause I’ve heard some horror stories from them too (ex jw here)
Yeah I'm an ExJW, sometimes I do the same with exMo content. I guess the grass is always....browner(?) on the other side. Although I don't think Mormons have policies that could lead to a parishioner's death and JWs do, so I guess we have y'all beat there. We're number 1 or something I guess. Lol
Same, but was catholic
That’s hilarious. Good one. 🤜🏻🤛🏻
As an ex-jw I think the same. Be forced to have children looks WAY worse to me.
Watchtower: "Science BAD!"
Also Watchtower whenever it suits their doctrine: "You know, SCIENTISTS say..."
🤦♀
their hypocrisy screams at the door 😂
This fact always bothered me even as a kid.
No one dismises science, everybody in our modern society recognize science importance. They just allow themselves to say science is wrong when it's against their ideas. Carl Sagan wrote a lot about this social phenomenon.
There is nothing wrong with science or gaining knowledge the problem is that people draw wrong conclusion based on a lie, confirmation bias and thinking not aligned with God's word the bible. The JW organizations doctrine is strictly guided by God's word. The problem is that most do not know what God's word teaches and often listens to people they think are in the know when in fact they have no clue. Even though the bible was written for all mankind the true God limits who he allows to understand his word based on the persons heart condition. (Matthew 11:25) At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. (Matthew 13:10, 11) So the disciples came and said to him: “Why do you speak to them by the use of illustrations?” 11 In reply he said: “To you it is granted to understand the sacred secrets of the Kingdom of the heavens, but to them it is not granted.
@@ronhansen8471 well, for all we know all old dudes from the "Governing Body" might have no clue or be even slightly wrong but no JW is allowed to question them because it would be like criticizing the voice of God or something.
I will never forget when I was brought into the "little room" as they would call it, to be alone with two elders as they discussed my "inappropriate" wear and my body shape. I was around 11, my body was changing and I was made so aware of it then. They said should not wear those types of sundresses because it was "distracting" and showed my "figure". Mind you I was 11, still wearing a sundress from the preteen section and not really aware that the curves I was growing into were something to be sexualized. They said you could make a brother "stumble" and lead someone into "temptation". TO AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL. They asked me if I wore bras and what size etc. It was traumatizing to hear all of this from grown men.
So many elders are creepy perverts and pedos, and it's all covered up.
that’s is disgustingly true it is a sad world we live in
If it’s religion pedophilia is allowed. If it’s not they are in jail. Lmao. Useless social constructs.
messed up
I am screaming in my head as I am reading this. That is extremely creepy behavior. Though in hindsight not surprising considering what has been uncovered within the last half decade 😨
There's an actual pedo in my hall, he's a ministerial servant who assaulted an 8 y/o in the restroom. Did he get arrested? Nope. Still running the microphones.
That whole modesty talk is hilarious when you know that in the original text, they weren't refering to women who wore revealing clothes but to people (men and women) who were wearing expensives outfits and too much jewelry. Basically the text said "Don't brag about how rich you are with your gaudy outfits, stay modest inside and outside" *side-eye the JW higher ups with their 10 000$ watches*
People forget the bible wasn't written in English and words change their meaning over time
@@Donathon-qx8kq exactly. Language evolves and I wouldn't be surprised if many of the words in use today are technically not used correctly!!
@@Donathon-qx8kq Not only that, but they pretend the Jewish people who can read and understand the original texts don't exist
They're using an English translation of a greek translation of a latin translation of a Hebrew thing. It's crazy how many layers there are.
This hahaha. I mean it's true that the hebrew people were not really showing off their boobs and butts like that back then either, but that wasn't what the passage was talking about. It's made pretty clear when it goes on to say to not wear a bunch of gold and "braided hair", that it's talking about being flashy and gaudy not how little clothing you have on.
"Learn to manage a home"?! I cringed so hard it hurt. 🤮 How are the single men managing to eat, wear clean clothes, or maintain a clean living space then??
They just don't in their mind. They'd still live with their moms, I guess.
apparently we don't: we starve to death covered in our filth.
Their pov is not only misogynistic, it is also misandrist.
Edit: Because men, without women, can't do anything apparently.
They’re not. They’re slobs.
They probably get married quick
@@haq248I did know a lot of younger people in the JW organization marry quick
When I was 12 the elders begged my parents that I no longer wear "tube" dresses even tho I had 0 attributes at the time, because "even tho you see her as your little girl, brothers see her as a young woman"
This is a creepy view on girls. No matter what religion or denomination: If young girls - also toddlers, kids - are handled as a danger to men's chastity, something is FAR off.
what the fawk 😓😓😓 no suprise though since they cover up pedophiles
I'm so curious what their response to that statement was?
@@thia41012 at the time my mum was rlyy into u know being a JW and she told me straight up what they told her, and said Marta I dont see it that way but they are the elders and they probably know better. Maybe I (my mum) am the one that is in the wrong. So I ended up wearing different type of dresses and skirts. Today neither me or my mum are JWs anymore. And the whole -women can wear pants now- omg we fliped at this after everything we had to adjust just to fit in.
12 is a "young woman" to them??? 🚔🚔🚔
I remember my mom being beaten every day by my father who was also a jw and when she'd report it to the elders she was told that she was hard headed and that was the cause for the beatings she received and no action was ever taken on my father...my heart has never healed for my mom. There's zero love in these people's home and yet they go out preaching about love, it's just beyond me🤦🤦
did your mother ever straighten up or does dad still have to do his duty?
Oh well, he's living a lonely and painful life right now with no one to take care of him,not even his 'church'...I guess he's the one being taken care of by life Mr Willy, right 😁😁😁🥴???
@@willytodd2750wtf is wrong with you
@@willytodd2750you’re like a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.
@@weatherelectric3212 Hey, it isn't my fault his mother was an unruly wife who made bad decisions. I hope she managed to straighten up and fly right, for her sake, her kids, and her husband.
Nothing like having to deal with an out of line mother/wife.
I feel sorry for his father. Also has a disrespectful kid that doesn't appear to understand the situation his mother placed his father in.
When I was younger, i was actually sort of devoted to being a witness and I told one of the elders (basically a pastor) that I wanted to work aswell and “make Jehovah happy” AND I REMEMBER THIS MAN SAYING “well sweetie, that’s for the men you just need to help make more witnesses!” And he laughed along with my mom. I’m now an atheist ! 🥶
😮 yooo.. fastest way to become one!!😢
That’s disgusting. They act like they can crush people’s dreams and still have their allegiance. Can’t have the cake and eat it too and have someone else wipe your mouth.
Lol i told them too but i was joking anyway i dont want to pass microphones around id rather just do parts And not give speech #NotComplaning
I'm glad I'm not in that religion. I know people who are in that religion. They're nice people but I just can't live with their teaching
Phew! 😮💨 Good. 👍🏾
Eeeeeeeeeeewww I hated it when they'd talk about women at the meeting. Especially when they'd say stupid shit about how "beautiflly FORMED" one was. They never did that crap with the men! "He was beautifully formed!" Nope. Just the ladies 🙄 🙄 🙄
They are talking like we are objects
@@CelynAnimation exactly. Just something "pretty" to look at.
Soooo....they acted like creeps, focussing on the shape of a woman's body? 🤨😨 Seriously, I wouldn't feel flattered if hearing this. Also women come in MANY shapes and forms btw.
@@Tabascofanatikerin right! Beauty is subjective.
Beautifully formed but then hide that beautiful form because it’ll drive men crazy and make other women take their men home and naggety nag them to death because they weren’t looking straight ahead at the boring monotone speaker! LOL 😂
"I want to be like Esther because she listened and obeyed..."
Oh my God, I'll always find it absurd that JW propaganda isn't subtle at all!
Exactly! I HATED those examples! Well, I’d like a man like Samson! He could keep his hair and his vision!
Religious propaganda doesn't ever have to be subtle because questioning the religion is already bad. Propaganda for non religious topics have to at least try to make sense. But I agree it's disgusting.
It makes no sense too because Esther defied the king’s law and came to him without permission to warn him of a genocide against her people
Exactly, as a moe or less traditional Catholic who believes in gender roles. To say women’s work is less then is insane. I hate how JWs and feminists treat femininity as if is less than men’s work.
@@MrSophire feminists do not treat femininity as less than men’s work. They don’t want work to be segregated by gender. You will find plenty of feminists that embrace femininity. I’ve been watching videos of a feminist who likes to wear vintage dresses and discusses feminist, LGBT, and disability rights.
Not JW but catholic, I recall once saying I wanted to be an owner of my own business and be the breadwinner for my future family in front of my mom. She went on to scream at me saying "THATS THE ROLE OF YOUR HUSBAND, HOW COULD YOU EVEN THINK OF SUCH A THING!!??". She then lectured me on how its "women's nature" to care for the family and nurture the children
As rampant as that is within many Catholic circles, at least the last few popes never officially made such proclamations. A considerable number of Baptist-type denominations are *far* worse!!
What Catholic group were you raised in? Every Catholic woman I know has a career. Was it an SSPX Church? Does she not know about all the female saints that never married?
@@ninjaked1265 I've had the good fortune of being raised in moderate-to-liberal Catholic circles. St. Leo's a rare gem of a parish! My mom is a *feminist* Catholic -- as was one of my middle-school teachers [I attended a Catholic school in Tacoma].
I have, however, witnessed evidence of reactionary Catholic circles. I know that Latin American countries (with the possible exception of some Mexican archdiocese) have less to curb clerical chauvinism than do Canada and the US!
@@ninjaked1265 I live in an African christian country so most people have very traditional views just due to upbringing. Catholic women who have careers isnt uncommon but they are still expected to marry and be the primary caretaker of the house, regardless of how much they make or how many hours they work.
It all falls to the woman. She can’t always depend on a man. They take off like run-a-way dogs because other homes are willing to lure them with THEIR bones. Woman is a very strong creation.
I grew up as a JW, born & forced into the religion. the amount of times I was at the kingdom hall AS A LITTLE CHILD being sexualised by the old men is actually scary. they would touch my waist, twirl my hair, call my pigtails "handlebars" & more. it's so gross. I'm so glad that I'm no longer a JW & involved in religion in general.
THAT PIGTAIL COMMENT IS WILD!!😢😢
thats so horrid oh my gosh
thats actually Demented .They Need Help 😒
The fact that an illiterate man can be over a literate woman just because a book or group say is nonsense. Just the fact that we operate from that standpoint alone and society shows me religion is just full of grifters.
This is heavy religious doctrine. Just like a Muslim woman is suppoused to be below men, even her own sons, underage or not.
No one is over another in the JW organization all are equal. The issue is that Jehovah God has established a headship arrangement and if you do not like that it would be advisable to take it up with our Creator not the JW organization. The headship arrangement does not make the man a lord or a boss. But I might ask do you have a problem taking orders from a male boss or any male? You need to get up to date with the JW teachings.
@@ronhansen8471"take it up with our Creator " How?!
I have to agree, because I can see how the formerly non-religious grifters are flocking to it these days.
Roosh V, the pick-up artist who made headlines because he wanted to legalize grape (may have been some Johnathan Swiftian point, if I'm being charitable, who knows but PUAs are notoriously scummy so IDC) converted to Christian several years back, doing the rounds on all the hyper tradcon channels that would have him and I didn't see a single person ask if he was really sincere. The grifters look like fellows to the religious people.
@@faustina9328 People can take it up with their Creator by reading his word and find out how men and women are supposed to conduct themselves and why. Women were created as a compliment to the man. The arrangement is for the man in the household to take the lead not as a boss or a dictator. Women today play a big role in the JW organization as teachers, organizers, workers and more and are taking the lead in many non-pastoral activities. In the JW organization woman are equal to men but considered the weaker vessel and should be treated as such. (1 Peter 3:7) "You husbands, in the same way, continue dwelling with them according to knowledge. Assign them honor as to a weaker vessel, the feminine one, since they are also heirs with you of the undeserved favor of life, in order for your prayers not to be hindered"
The Greek noun rendered “honor” means “price, value, . . . respect.” Forms of this word are translated “gifts” and “precious.” (Acts 28:10; 1 Peter 2:7) A husband who honors his wife would never assault her physically; neither would he humiliate or disparage her, causing her to feel worthless. Rather, he recognizes her value and treats her with respect. He shows by his words and deeds-in private and in public-that she is precious to him. (Proverbs 31:28) Such a husband gains not only his wife’s love and respect but, more important, God’s approval.
i grew up in the Southern Baptist denomination. At my church,we'd have Wednesday night Bible study. When the pastor would ask if there were any questions, I would raise my hand,ask a question,and get totally patronized..talked to like i was 5. Then, a man would ask pretty much the same question,and the pastor would act like it was the most intelligent question to ever tickle his ears.
Yep! I joined a Bible Study once and corrected a man in the group (nicely, but with a Medical background, I thought I’d set misinformation straight kindly)...the Pastor spoke right over me while I was explaining, continuing his whatever as though I was invisible. I arose gracefully and left never to return. I wrote a local newspaper comment about it without naming him. Got lots of response from women who felt ignored, diminished, invisible. It’s very sad. But women don’t like to hear from other women either, especially if the speaker is attractive. They are afraid their men might agree.
That happens in every boardroom across the world.
That happens to me alot and I don't even go to a bible study church or anything but I always get cut off, dismissed or ignored by well everyone from kids, men and women
@@magicmoonarthave you ever tried to find out why? If it is men, women and children everywhere all the time maybe go see a psychologist who can help you. Maybe follow some assertivity training.
Good luck.
I have a superpower. I can and do interrupt any and all men no matter their station in life. I don't even think about it. It comes out naturally. Been doing it every since I'm a little kid. Sometimes the looks on their faces...😳.😂😂😂
My mom has become a religious fanatic ever since the beginning of the virus, for the past 4 years shes been spouting lines of how "our time on earth is nearly over" and we have had to attend church every single day since then as well as praying together every night for about 45 minutes. I have 2 more years till I graduate school and move far far away. Thank you so much for your videos, they give me so much comfort.
Is your Mom JW, or is she some other denomination?
@@daniellevinson6975 she's catholic, after seeing all the JW and Mormon stuff, I feel a bit better knowing it could be MUCH worse
@@Lerya9 I thought the exact same thing.
Hang in there, I’d rather be Catholic than JW, but I hear you. Understand completely! I was raised Catholic and went all through Catholic school. Geez. Those nuns were so doggone cruel!
@@Lerya9So sorry to hear about that. Was she like that before the pandemic?
"But, of course, don't learn to read too much because you'll be able to call us out on our sh*t, let alone think for yourself."
Reading is NOT the only way to gain knowledge
@@cosmicreef5858 No, but for someone kept in such a setting it's a great way to gain knowledge.
it's giving gaston
As a Christian, I've always felt grieved for women in the JW cult. I've seen the way they are treated by their husbands while door knocking. When they came to my door to discuss the equality of Jesus to God (as they deny the deity of Jesus), the husband point blank said in front of his wife said "how can Jesus be equal to God the Father? My wife isn't even equal to me!"... Immediately, I addressed that poor woman, and told her "ma'am, you are equal to your husband, but more importantly, Jesus, who is equal to God the Father, loves you, and died for sins and rose again for you!".
I am also a Christian and i believe the bible teach that the head of the Woman is Her Husband,the head of the Man is Christ.the bible makes it clear that the man is the leader in the family.
The problem is that people who doesn't want to obey this order from God makes is sound like its slavery or its not fair sometimes its because some people use this scripture in a wrong way.
If we can follow what the bible teach woman be what the bible say and man be what the bible says,we will see that this order by God is a good order.
The head of the family is a man i respect that because the bible say so and i am happy in my marriage
How did his wife react to that?
@@ahluma91 No, the men hardly have to do anything, At all, and they often don’t. When men don’t follow, nothing happens to them. Women are treated like absolute garbage. As long as you’re happy that’s fine, but your rhetoric looks as shocking and oppressive to everyone else, as you see from other religions. You’re still helping push up misogyny for women and little girls everywhere. Misogyny that should have died with Jesus. The Bible is written by men who edited it to control whoever they wanted, and part of you knows that. Even if you believe in God or Jesus, part of you 100% believes that the Bible is edited, and you know it. There is no way that the same people in which the Bible criticizes such as KINGS, and the rich would write things that remain as they are through translation. If you believe in the Bible to that extreme extent, you’re choosing to ignore the same brainwashing that told people to crucify Jesus.
I love the part of the bible where Jesus took away the microphone from the woman and told her to know her place .
yeah and then he mic dropped and the track stopped playing 😂
Which verse is that i am asking because i didnt know microphones was there in the time of Jesus
@@ahluma91 The joke went over your head.
@@ahluma91 i fear for the future of modern human society when some people have the legal right to vote.
Oh I also like the part where this mother comes to him and reports a guy creeping on her little girl and asks what to do. And Jesus told her that it's her daughter's fault for showing her knees.
I know several brilliant women in the JW organization, among the most intelligent people I have ever met. In one case, one woman was married to a very lazy man - a decent man, but unbelievably unmotivated. She could run circles around this man and any man in the congregation. She held her family together financially and in every other meaningful way. The incredible waste of potential is staggering. How contrary to the way Jesus treated women who in many ways placed them ahead of the apostles.
Yes, that woman might’ve been me. 😮😂❤
Seriously, Jesus was beloved of Mary Magdelena and she was beloved by Him. She was His listener, His confidante. He held great respect for her while others surmised awful imaginings about her.
@@christinesotelo7655I mean he was also brutally murdered😂.
@@gamingforever9121 not funny, especially dying for you. Resurrected. Eventually Ascended. But game on.
@@christinesotelo7655 I mean it’s pretty funny.😆
I grew up a Lesbian in this cult. I left as soon as I turned 18 and my Mother couldn’t force me to go anymore. Years later I asked my PIMI sister if she could ever imagine me submitting to anyone, she had to admit that would be impossible.
Good that you got out of it and lived your life the way you wanted to :)
Congrats for making your way outta there. Hopefully you can be yourself now 🏳️🌈❤️
After all, Leviticus only says man shall not sleep with man, not woman shall not sleep with woman ;)
Hey I grew up lesbian in this disgusting cult too! It was absolutely horrendous
Sorry to hear that.
I hate it how everytime i go there they talk about us women and/or girls as literal objects, i dont like being seen as such. Im a human being with human emotions not a damn object and im also a teenager who just wants a normal life and experience a good life. I would never submit to a man, never. Even my mom, who is a POMI, agrees that i shouldnt submit to anyone (she also tells me to not trust anyone in there but she still wont let me leave- so im a bit confused on what she really is-)
She’s a good mom who is afraid of leaving, probably. They’re pretty tough on those who want out. You should read the history of Queen Elizabeth, the daughter of Henry VIII. She swore she’d never marry or submit to a man due to how her father was. He was married six times and was known for his strict obedience from wives and women in general. She went on to become a great Queen who had the heart of a woman but the warrior-abilities of a man and the strength of a lion. Heroine.
@@christinesotelo7655Yeah probably ^^
I’m a Jew, so I’m very familiar with the story of Esther. She was NOT obedient. She literally went to invite her husband personally to her feast so she could expose Haman and save the Jews, which was illegal, because no one was allowed to approach the king without permission that she didn’t have. She was a badass, and she took no nonsense from anyone. Rebecca wasn’t blindly obedient. Some Midrashim postulate that Rachel intentionally made Jacob marry Leah so she wouldn’t be husband less. None of our matriarchs were quiet meek little helpmeets.
ETA: just realized Haman autocorrected to Hamas. Oops.
U read my mind
You do know there's a war going on with Israel and Palestine.
Its sad to see this type of people, changing history just so they are right
@@yuribumagnygoncalvessampai7560 they do change history and illicit false and scripted emotions from people
Let's not forget folks like Devorah or Beruriah! Smart and independent women are a big part of Judaism!
I was given a marking talk at the age of 14 because I was very much an emo kid. So I had a white stripe right on the side of my head. With my natural black hair.
The brother on the podium looked straight at me when he was giving the “modesty talk” and said we shouldn’t have hair with unnatural hair colors or highlights . I got up and cried in the bathroom at 14! Which made me more emo 🖤 😅😂 so I dyed my hair red cuz I was pissed.
I had an elders wife come up to me during the assembly when I was 12 and told me my dress was way too short . She told my mom I looked like a whore and I need to go back to the hotel and get a change of clothes. My dress was barely above the knee being 5’7” I had a hard time finding long dresses.
In service a sister said even though it’s 110 outside I still need to wear a cardigan and cover my chest at age 16 because I had too much cleavage.
I can go on 😂. Safe too say self confidence was not my strength in the cult .
I'm sorry to hear you had to go through this like what adult calls a 12yo a whore over such a thing
SOMEONE CALLED YOU A WHORE AT 12? HELLO.. ? GIMME THE ADRESS OF THAT SISTER- IM GONNA GIVE HER A PERSONAL VISIT.
It was my first time to go door-knocking so an older JW lady comes up to me before I leave the house and she measures the length of my skirt. I wasn’t baptized yet. I threw her out. Changed into jeans and went to Starbucks.
@@christinesotelo7655fuck yeah, absolute girlboss move lmfao. Good on you!
Wow wow wow ! Go rock that goth look. ! You sound awesome
The awful way I was treated growing up was one of the things that woke me up
Queen of flatulence.
Truly a title.
W username
What a poetic username
Cool username 😊
Lmfao your username made me laugh
I had an older sister always walking up to me, shover her hand down the front of my shirt and would pull up the undershirt. I asked her several times to not do it. My parents didn't do anything but tell me to fix my dresses and make sure it doesn't stumble someone. I live with my family that are still in. And my dad will say something about my daughter's dressing. It is never showing anything, I finally started replying with, "Don't look then." That makes them upset so I just roll my eyes and continue to repeat it. Like control your own eyes and thoughts.
Wow. Abusive of that humiliating sister. I would’ve called the police for touching you like that!
Ew what the actual fuck- that’s actually assault oh my gods. You poor thing, that must’ve felt so violating. Good on you for protecting your daughter, I hope you can move out ASAP!
Tell the cops about it.
How old is your daughter? I mean, age doesn't really matter in this case because that is revolting behavior no matter what, but this especially worse if we take into context that she may be a child... yikes
@@Colin12475 I would but this is 15+ years ago.
i remember "leading the group" for field service as a baptized pre-teen, while Sisters several times my age wore handkerchiefs on their head and pretended this all made sense.
lol what a circus
First time my sister-in-law opened her purse and plunked a tissue on her head to show submission to my JW bro doing our Bible Study, I got so upset I made them leave my home. It was ridiculous and insulting.
The worst part about these cults is that they squeeze money out of their followers and end up being a rich and loud minority.
My nana to this fucking day STILL gives them hundreds of dollars every time she can. It’s sickening
Makes you just want to end tax exception for religious groups and tax the shit out of them, at least for me it does.
@@tristemsaris7739I’ve only been saying that exact thing since 2005.😂
but jw don’t ask for money
@britniemonet_3693 That's what you would think, and makes them seem "different." They don't physically force you but if you don't donate money you'll be looked at by EVERYONE as a selfish person. Not to mention all those kids videos they make showing children that donating is the best thing to do. They just use smarter manipulation tactics
I volunteered to paint an assembly hall once, I must have been 15 or so, and they assigned me to kitchen preparing lunch, under the "guidance" of a man of course. That was the last time I ever volunteered for anything. Don't get me started on the fashion police...
Of course! A woman up on a ladder stretching and painting? It might stumble a brother right into a bucket of paint!!!😮
@@christinesotelo7655or more accurately cause them an “inconvenience “😂.
@@christinesotelo7655”woman can’t paint or draw ofc a man has to do it!”💀
@@gamingforever9121 😂🤭
In addition to never feeling like I was taken seriously when I was trying my best as a creepy little cult kid, there were A TON of creepy elders being perverts, but also SISTERS who were bullies! Older sisters were so MEAN, especially over stuff I couldn't control. :'(
Yes. The “sisters” were like old bitter nuns. Mean as f-k.
"Creepy little cult kid" is the best description I've ever heard of it. 😂
Hurt people hurt people. It’s why you find misogynistic women. They want to feel like the bully for once.
Maybe bullying made them feel like they had someone to morally disapprove of (so they could feel righteous). They may have also done it to feel in control.
I'm not justifying it by any means, but I wonder if they hadn't grown up in the JW religion, would they have become like that?
“Sisters” were pretty mean. With looks and snotty Remarks they could tear you down and ignoring you too. The “brothers” were nicer but the Elders were of course, mean and loved to discipline, not hearing anything you had to say unless it was sexual or sensual in nature. I hear you.
Ah, the misogyny of most religions.
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Honestly, it's convinced me that most of religions are manmade. All those manuals of ritual seem culty to me
I feel like a lot religions are made to control women tbh
@@user-uk2rp5cm1f They are manmade, always have been. People just get spoon fed the delusion that they are made by a higher being. People hate being controlled by others and the men back then knew that. So they created a higher system, something you can't resist against.
Yep. It's pretty universal in most, if not all religions in varying degrees. How ppl, especially women, can follow this kind of doctrine in this day abd age ulis just sad.. Saying that, it's still generally, in a much subtle way, still the same as overall society. Religion still has a stranglehold on bug parts of society. One of the reasons I hate organized religion.
I remember getting taken off the school at 12 for having 1 red koolaid streak in my hair, because of this I was a "bad example" and no longer allowed to be looked at by the "young ones". There was also a time around 14 that I wore jeans and t shirt to the meeting because I didn't want to be there, my abusive father was angry but he was also disfellowshipped at the time (I was thrilled that he couldn't talk religion with me). And when I did get baptized at 17 (due to running back to the org from fear after I did things I regretted outside of the religion) nearly no one treated me kindly and always looked down on me no matter how much I did, how 'perfect' I tried to be.
I got blamed for the abuse my father inflicted on me, and the abuse of my husband who was at the time a jw. Elders 'warned' me to not "bring reproach on Jehovah's name" by bringing anything to the legal system..
I was constantly told that I was out of control and needed to submit and be an "obedient wife/daughter". I was told these things, all the while I was holding in my feelings and being quiet, I got depressed wondering how much more "submissive" could I be? . Although in my mid 20s, married and have a child, I'm still viewed as an actual child to my parents, and ones in the congregation still go to my parents to try and get them to "correct" me even though I left the org 3 months ago, and I have a family of my own.
This is just a short part of my story as a woman growing up in the org. This religion, like many others out there truly hates women.
8:49, wasn't the entire point of Esther that she DIDN'T listen and obey? The story was about breaking rules as a show of courage. Every single telling of that story explains that Esther going to the king could have ended horribly and even she wasn't allowed in the throne room.
I guess they mean listening and obeying Jehovah
I became a JW when I was 12, married at 18, and left at age 19 when I went to the Elders for 'help' after I was drugged and date raped while on a 'secular' work trip away from my husband.
As a JW, you are indoctrinated to go to the Elders instead of law enforcement for all matters, so that's what I did. I sat in a Judicial Hearing alone with 3 old white guys, having to recount in explicit detail what happened to me. The result? Instead of receiving any kind of help or support, I was disciplined (publicly reproved) and told that it was all MY fault and that it wouldn't have happened to me if I wasn't associating with 'wordly' people, and forced to APOLOGIZE TO THESE MEN FOR MY ACTIONS. I was completely blindsided when the first words out of their mouths after telling them what happened to me was 'Well... Are you going to apologize to us for what you did?'
One of my biggest regrets in life is apologizing to them for being raped and not going to the authorities.
Wow. Please don't dwell in regret... these people are the ones who should be. No one deserves to be in that situation, and then be expected to apologize. Truly disgusting behavior. I'm so sorry, they acted like animals. Please treat yourself kindly, you deserve to heard, respected, and supported. Especially by the people in your life.
All my mom ever wanted was to be a wife and mother,and she has done it wonderfully. However,that was *her* choice. I'm a feminist, and i can't fathom not living in a culture where i didn't have a choice whether or not I had to be married to someone simply bc they had achieved status in the congregation,where being in love with the person was nice,but not a requirement. Reminds me of the book 1984, where one of Julia's friend had her husband chosen for her,and she was happy about it.I'm all for women who choose to be a housewife and mother, but she should *want* that life,not have it picked for her.
Great comment. In the 70’s, until JWs came and scared us about Armageddon, I love being home with the babies and caring for home and family. Then my sister would come to visit since she was an “executive Secretary” and put me down for loving my home and not “exploring WHATs out there”. Then my JW bro came along and said oh we love and respect women; then after the Armageddon thing failed and most JWs were wiped out, I disagreed with a doctrine, got turned in by JW husband, got kicked out....THEN damn straight I became a Feminist! Lost everything. I HAD to grow up and FAST! Fought WT hard. Fight even harder now, as a Woman in my own Writ.
@@christinesotelo7655I don't understand what happened that you got kicked out? What did you disagree with?
@@Passions5555 the No Blood Doctrine back in the 70’s. I saved my son.
I like how they conveniently forget that women's brains usually mature faster
size doesn't matter
they also forgot that women have more grey matter lmao. If you try to be sexist at least be smart jw's.
That’s true. Size doesn’t matter at all.
i misread the bottom text and thought it said "age doesnt matter" and i almost had a heart attack 😭
They dont forget, that's why women are supposed to marry so young.
@@4ft8y7yyggyyy.8y it absolutely does and in virtually every situation. Admit you are lying or dumb.
Jehovahs witnesses were at my college yesterday. Offering Bible classes and a “community”. Glad now that nobody went and talked to them.
I wrote several talks for male family members as a teen girl (even when I became inactive). it really made me wonder how many articles and talks were written by the wives and their husbands get all the credit.
I used to do all the prep for my husbands talks. 😂
I was raised in this cult
Third generation
Well trained to be modest but i was never submissive
Im a figthter and no one messed or messes with me
Not even any elders
I did hear about other beautiful sisters with very good figures being told to not wear such tight fitting cloths so i advised them to tell the elders to say the same thing to the fat sisters whose cloths were skin tight 🤪👏
Glad to be out and be free
Yeyyy! Good for you! Do you think women will ever be able to wear pants in the KH? Imagine an elder trying not to look, so he elbows his wife and gets her to judge whether or not the curvy sister in the bulgey pants needs a Judicial Committee Hearing! Maybe then they’ll need a sister on a Fashion Committee because elders would “stumble”...all over themselves! 😂
As a man, I find it disturbing how so much the Christian church and its subsidiaries want to keep women down.
Jehovas Witnesses arent christians lmao. They literally deny Jesus.
subsidiaries?
@@randomimperialguardsmanfor9342There’s a lot of different sects of Christianity: mormonism, Methodist, baptist, etc etc. All stems from similar ideology
Religion is a patriarchy.
Aahhh
You forget Islam?
I was studying with the witnesses and would attend the meetings in jeans. And as I studied more and got more involved in the church I would get told every time to dress differently. I would argue and say it doesn’t say in the Bible to wear dresses that cover your knees or that woman have to exclusively only wear dresses to a Kingdom Hall, they would point to the modesty verse and I would argue that the verse is subjective and I do consider pants modest and if Jesus didn’t care then why do they, it was a constant battle. Then I stopped studying because it all became very restrictive and shaming.
They should've pointed to Deuteronomy 22:5 instead. That's mostly where this not wearing pants shtick comes from
I was a bigger kid in the congregation. I was 12 and the reason for the modesty talk. I of course developed a little quick being chunky and apparently giving hugs to the brothers were seen as possible stumbling block. a 12 year old hugging adults could cause improper thoughts in the adults... That's why you will never tell me they don't know about the things that happen in the congregation.
I’m a woman and was raised as a jw, my mom’s favorite way to brush aside my frustrations was to play the “well it’s not as bad as I had it game”. Whenever I would complain about the itchy dresses she would go into her story about how in her childhood hall women where not allowed to go without wearing panty hoes and one time she cried because she forgot that, and it’s wasn’t like that anymore so I had it so much better😒
Gotta love how she played the victim card. My step mom does the exact same thing
I am a woman, with an IQ of about 125. I have a BSc in Environmental Science and Geography.
My husband died when my younger son was three months old. I have two sons, my older son was 2 years old.
My sons are now 21 and 23.
I raised them as a single mother, they have jobs and rent a house together.
I also own my own farm. It doesn't make much money, but it helps to feed me.
Mostly I wear trousers because dresses are horrible to work in, on a farm, including when I need to work with my horse and other animals.
As a Female Head of Household, I have always needed to make decisions with regards to my family's life and future. I needed to be both Mum and Dad to my boys, nurturer and authoritative figure.
I have also had to stand up for myself and my children, from time to time. They are men now, they don't need me to protect them anymore, but when they were little, it was vital to all of our futures!
I had to be a leader, because if I was not a leader for my family, my family would have fallen apart!
My sons love me and we are still all there for each other.
I am a Christian (a NORMAL Christian!), and I can see that something Apocalyptic this way comes and this is my main motivation for setting up my farm, to be a resource for when the Coprola Hits the Propellor.
But I have nothing to do with any churches, because of their hypocritical BS.
I stand before God with a good conscience, and that is what really matters, at the end of the day!
All the Best, Panda.
There's a not that old speech from a governing body member, I think is Daniel Sydlik, from the 90's, where he says that if a woman realizes that she is smarter than her husband, she must put all her efforts in not leting him realize it. In other words, play dumb, women are not supposed to be clever. That was one of the most revolting speeches I ever heard.
And that SEEMS to be true wherever you are! I had a guy who couldn’t stand intelligence from a woman. So at his favorite bar, before I got up and walked out, I held up a book and said you should read this. Look! It’s called a “book”! It has in.for.mation! You can reeeead it. And you can even re-reeeead it! Bye!
Never had this problem. All the blokes I date seem to understand pretty well that I'm a inteligent woman and even to be attracted to the inteligente. Though I''m single for 3 years now and often feel lonely, I feel very lucky when I read other women experience with men.
I get that a lot as I’ve got a STEM degree and women aren’t supposed to be science literate 🙄
@@raquelpardal5343I’d add there is a difference between intelligence and being able to hold a conversation. Most guys appreciate both.
@@dancingnaturecommon misconception, it isn’t that women aren’t supposed to be scientifically literate. it’s simply the case that most women don’t find that field of study too interesting.
I'm an exJW and a proud feminist 💖
I’m a true Apostate.
Hardly an improvement...
What that means?
@@nemoscriptura let me guess, you are not a woman?
2 wrongs don’t make a right
this is accually scary
Being raised in it for a couple decades is scarier
Real
Would I prefer to be a SAHM? Yeah. Do I have any interest in wearing the proverbial trousers in my relationship? Nope.
Would I absolutely dropkick anyone who attempted to *force* me into either of those things? HELL YES.
Same! I love cooking, I love long dresses, and I love watching the joy in my family's eyes when they get their food, but only because it's my choice.
Did you add that to not out yourself as a normal woman? Yes.
@@danielarejgarwdym? I’ve read through this comment thrice and still can’t figure out what point ur trying to make here /lh. Yes she is a normal women because she identifies herself as a woman, why do you think she’s trying to pretend to be a non-woman lmao
@@galaxykitten6849 Because she doesn't want to admit that women naturally want to be homemakers. She also doesn't want to imply that men could have any sort of authority over their wives.
@danielarejgar if we naturally wanted to be that way we simply would. We naturally eat food and drink water, we are social creatures by nature. Someone's life path isn't a nature, we aren't a hivemind with the same wants as every other person. I don't get the delusion behind this mentality.
So I just watched this. I was raised in this cult from the time I was 4 years old till I was baptized at 17 and then left at 18. The damage done during those fundamental years of my life is hard to really explain. I cringe thinking back on it now. I remember the sister doing my bible study suggesting I wear makeup to be more presentable (I was 16 at this point)
I was also advised to not persue education and do full time ministry instead, this eventually led me to drop out of school and do just that, getting baptized and doing field service full time at just 17.
An older sister would always make comments to me about how she'd give me her recipies once I get married so I can make them for my husband. During this time my mother was fighting the congregation to get a divorce, of course everyone was insistent that she stayed even though my father had come out as gay and was never in the church to begin with.
By the time i was 18 i was severly su*cidal and made an attempt which obviously failed. I never went back after that. The elders came to my house to get me to go back, but i was just numb at that point and just told them straight out that I had lost interest and couldn’t find anything within myself that motivated me to go back.
I'm 26 now, my mom left with me and my father passed a while back though our relationshipwas better than ever at the time. Unfortunately my ability to form meaningful female friendships has been impacted and being around men just gives me too much anxiety, but I'm working on it as best I can. Every now and then I find another piece of indoctrination still burried within me that needs to be fixed, but I find that I'm a little bit better everyday.
Jesus hun glad you're doing better ❤
I’m glad you are getting better. Keep going on.
Theres a kingdom hall right infront of my house, all i see are women in dress's . Everytime i go home they look at me horrendously with their word spreading cart as i mostly always wear pants or shorts w a t-shirt or long sleeve on top💀
You heathen lol
Maybe they'll see that wearing shorts doesn't mean ur going to hell
Yeyyy! Keep up the good work! 😂
The local JWs thought I was a demonic persona non grata because I would do a short ballet warmup before catching the bus in the morning . They couldn’t believe that someone my age could do those splits (I’m pushing 70) I wear leggings or pants on the job so it’s easy to dance in them
@@dancingnature Wow! Good for you! Me too! I put my music in my ears each morning and I’m dancing down the street and I’m 74! I love music and motion. It is the greatest Therapy: Dance! JWs are appalled! I am enthralled! I was a Music and Art Therapist long ago and if there’s advice I could give a former JW coming out, it’s this: listen to music (not KH songs of course), start feeling your life’s vibrations then start letting those vibrations work from toe to head or head to toe but move! Or if you want emotions to start coming out thatve been captive for too long, to music:draw! Paint! Or WRITE! You’ll begin to feel again, release all that anger and pain in a good way, cry even, and then you’ll look back at your creations and you’ll know you survived the WT of JWs!!! I’m really inspired by “dancing nature”, thank you! ♥️🌹
It’s always very revealing to me that every task deemed “for women” are always the most arduous and boring, and the most time consuming. All of the “men’s tasks” are actually fun and leaves you with free time.
Personally speaking, I feel that when you are a JW woman. You may find that it isn't just the JW men that control you. Other JW women will also tell you what to do or wear. They think there being helpful and kind. But it's actually rather controlling
The JW women are petty and gossipy and mean, in my opinion.
I know JW women who seems nice. Sometimes I talk to them
Adding this to my “try not to get angry” playlist.
Thank you for exposing this garbage Panda and everyone in the comments ❤😢 International women’s day just passed, let’s not forget what our fellow women sadly have to go through.
I left at 17. I was being forced to date a "brother", and we were intended to marry when I turned 18. I wasn't very pretty, so I was supposed to be happy someone wanted me. I didn't like him, and thought he was a complete moron. I got out, put myself through college, married the man I wanted, had three wonderful and successful children. My mother is still a JW, married to an abusive elder who gaslights her, and is cruel. She's stuck. I'm so glad I follow Jesus and can see the real truth.
As an exLutheran, I appreciate your content and your channel, especially videos like these calling this crap out.
Tony "women should be in burkas" Morris
Alhamdudillah!
That man couldn’t make his way through the aisles of a Liquor Store without a trench coat on! He was probably a shoplifter and a flasher as well as a boozer.
I am a med student and I have a very intelligent classmate who is a JW. It makes me sad as a woman and future doctor to see another woman and colleague so committed to this religion. The worst part is that we were in some kind of friend group and now another girl also attends the meetings. We talked about it and it hurt me to see how she agrees with what they stand for (homophobia, misogyny, slutshaming, etc.), so I feel like I lost a friend.
Fairly similar to what my mom and aunts do. They follow William Branham. Women dress in only skirts, can’t cut your hair, no make up, and must submit to the husband at all times.
Most JW submissive s I see have short, short hair and long, frumpy dresses or skirts. I no like.
Warning:Long Ass Text LOL.
As a JW Pimo,18(and a woman)it disgusts me how they say that there not machist nor anything of the sort, when it is the opposite
One of the first things that woke me up from this cult(besides the whole sexuality issue)was the fact that they could not have the same"privileges" as men.
Which is why I am someone who is a feminist(no, I'm not talking about the feminists who hate all men).
And I hate how they say in the religion that they have free will, and as a woman,it is the last thing we have(and as someone who likes dresses that are a little bit above the knees and has felt guilt in the past for having this kind of liking),I MUST DECLARE that i will NOT make my future kids feel that way in any way,shape or form.
Hello panda and thx for this video,it has helped me to know more stuff about how this cult f_cks us up.
Great comment! You are so right! 😮❤
@@christinesotelo7655 thx 👍🏽😊
ME TOO!!!
@ccsx2228 still pimo?Or left the cult and live on our own?
Im pimo and I don't live on my own yet because i dont have an stable income rigth now but i plan to be an youtuber and study more about cinema(idk why,but cinema makes me feel something unexplicable,sonethung amazing)
Feminists hate men. You can't really dance around it
I am a Christian woman. I work with children and volunteer a lot for my church, yet there still men who treat me and other girls like me like daughters or stupid little things that can't do anything
I still get every support of all the leading (male) figures against the misogynistic idiots. Its still exhausting to always be underrated and looked down on. But ill make sure that the girls after me will not face the same treatment and that its normal for girls to take action and lead
The girls after you will absolutely face the same things. Misogyny is already baked in to most religions.
@@niax782 ur right, ofc not all religions have misogyny baked in them it’s more like religious leaders who take advantage of people’s faith and add thier own takes and opinions usually leading to misogyny
Am sorry you have to deal with those idiotic men :( may god give you strength
@@gorannashreen2822 All abrahamic religions have misogyny baked in.
Didn't know we traveled back to the 1800s.
😭😭😭
Women were badasses in 1800s. They're doing a 50s coca cola ad cosplay xD
they say you should be happy to clean the toilets
I remember doing that as a second job for a church. Disgusting!
@@christinesotelo7655 bet it was awful, alot of those guys have logs up their asses 😂
TBH I would be happier cleaning toilets than raising a horde of children. If those were my 2 options I'd choose the toilets hands down
one time i got one of those watchtower magazine things and there was a section for children where they gave a story from the bible and asked questions after and the story was about a woman getting r*ped and one of the questions were “what did she do to bring this upon herself?”. this was for children.
Ex-Mormon woman here. Quite a lot of misogyny I got was from fellow sisters who had no real other option in the church, having been raised to it, so they were quick to hush any woman that spoke out for fear that if they didn't, it would rebound onto them. I had a genuine religious experience reading a pagan book and the difference between it and the fake religion being shoved onto me by the men around me insisting that only they could interpret the sacred was so profound I could no longer lie to myself about it and left.
I'm am exmo too. This reminds me of how when I was 12 I overheard a young married couple in my ward talking with each other about a couple of their friends, saying their friends (who were a couple) would be such good parents and it's such a tragedy that they don't want to be parents and whatever. Even at the time it felt weird. They don't consider what those people are going through they just want them to serve the cult cause God forbid a straight couple refuses to have kids. There couldn't possibly be a reason that they don't want them! /s
I knew a girl back in high school who was really smart. Like, seriously, she was absolutely crazy intelligent. In all the GT classes, getting good grades and played the flute in my concert band. And this was a magnet school (as in, all students were in a magnet, and therefore, had to maintain a certain GPA to remain there). I personally would consider her the cream of the crop. She was a Jehovah’s Witness, and I remember her turning down prom, homecoming, Spring Fling, etc. because of her beliefs; which, don’t get me wrong, is all fine and good if it’s really against your beliefs and something you didn’t want to do.
But what got me was that, when applying for colleges, she actually said that she was forbidden to attend college. Which surprised me because, as smart as she was, I genuinely believed she could probably achieve anything. And while I understand people not _wanting_ to go to college (i.e. too expensive, trade school option, waiting, job already lined up, just not wanting to deal with more school, etc.), the sheer idea that this girl made it clear she was _forbidden_ to go instead of just not _wanting_ to go because she, like her parents, were Jehovah Witnesses just absolutely baffled me. Like, all that potential, all that knowledge, all that skill… put away on an old shelf and left to rust, just so she can lose her identity to become a submissive wife to a man who might probably not recognize his wife’s true potential to be someone more is just… tragic.
And before anyone says anything, l believe there’s nothing wrong with being a housewife. It’s hard work and one that’s genuinely underestimated and unrecognized, despite the fact it’s a 24-hour-job, particularly when kids are involved. It can be rewarding to see your children grow and your domestic affairs in order while you aid your husband in his endeavors outside the home, _if that’s what you desire._ However, there’s a huge difference in _choosing_ to be a housewife than being _forced_ (or coerced in these cases) to be one. To be essentially taught that there is a permanent glass ceiling, with your purpose is to be below a man due just the simple fact you’re a woman and for your whole life, your purpose is to maintain the four walls of your home and handle the unseen, unrecognized and unappreciated work of the church and house is such a terrible thing for these girls to grow up into, while the boys learn, even in such a restrictive cult, they can become something more and achieve more.
These women can only continue to keep looking up through each glass ceiling as the men in their lives go up the career ladder, that these women helped build but can’t climb, to ascend to higher floors, further above and beyond, while they forever remain in the basement. Not even allowed to the main floor.
Such an unfulfilling life. It’s no wonder they look towards the afterlife so much, because it’s the only place they believe their unrecognized and restricted hard work after burying their aspirations into the ground and mustering their willingness to accept themselves to be seen and treated as less than their male peers, will finally allow them of being awarded the grand opportunity to finally be seen as an actual person.
thats just so sad
as a girl with a modest style (still willing to wear t shirts and pants that only show my ankles, and i was never JW luckily) i cant understand how wearing a dress even if its past your knees is "modest"
i refuse to wear dresses because theyre a bit too girly for my liking, but also because they show my legs too much and i actually have to be consious about how i sit (unless i wear shorts under it)
how is a dress modest
I've always preferred pants over skirts because I always thought some creep, bully or just the wind could easily lift the skirt in public so that anyone can see what's below. 😖
@@Tabascofanatikerin thats a reason too
if my pants show just a bit too much ankle i dont like them
It isn’t. It’s eye-candy for elders who call it feminine and modest but let their creepy imaginations go up under it. Creepies!!!! 😮
My grandparents were JW, and my grandma died, the speech given at the ‘preach’ would only highlight how good of a woman she was cause she submitted to her husband and always devoted to her family. I was FULL of rage, and now I feel so sorry that my grandparents wasted their lives there.
Thank you for bringing awareness to this ❤
As a jew I almost laughed when they talked about Esther being MODEST. The reason the king chose Esther was because his first wife was too modest to dance sexually in front of the kings friends. If Esther had the same amount of modesty it would’ve killed the Jews. She stood up to her husband and she stood up to Hayman
Can confirm being curvier meant more talking-tos about clothing. My ex-husband (then a MS) and I had been dating for all of two weeks when an elder pulled him aside at one meeting and told him to tell me to never wear the skirt I was wearing again. It was winter. I had on opaque tights, it was a thick skirt that hit the bottom of my knee caps when standing, came up to the top when sitting, but I also had a cardigan to cover my knees in my seat. Nothing was tight, nothing was showing. But that skirt was an abomination because you could see my whole blue-tights covered knee for a total of maybe 5 seconds through the course of the meeting. I’m certain it was because it was high waisted so I tucked my shirt in, making it clear that I *gasp* have a butt!! It also offended me so much that I wasn’t even close to marrying this dude yet, and was a 26-year-old woman who’d lived alone for several years at that point, but the message had to be conveyed through him (who was 21 at the time - yes, I know; believe me, I ignored a lot of red flags) because we were dating so he was now my “head.” 🙄
According the the footnotes in my study bible from high school, rules for women about hairdressing were likely a means of narrowing the cultural gap between wealthy congregants and those of little means.
True. The wig fashions especially. The higher the hair, the higher in prominence. Marie Antoinette was a favorite and a real party-girl. She experimented with fashion and hairstyle and was a trend-setter. Even though she said of the poor: “Let them eat cake” and was beheaded.
Oh! You meant Biblical congregants? Hmm. Don’t know.
@@christinesotelo7655 Some historians question the allegation that Queen Antoinette ever said that infamous quote; it may have been pure propaganda, like the accusations of incest with her son who had yet to reach puberty.
@@christinesotelo7655 As for the foot notes, I was given a 1994 edition of the NIV Bible.
@@daniellevinson6975 Let them eat cake makes me want some. No, not sure if it’s true or propaganda. And the incest, I have no idea but I doubt it.
I think Samuel Heards head is 10% smaller than the rest of the population in the world
It’s called “Shrunken Head Syndrome”.
His brain certainly is smaller but he’s got a huge blockhead
5:44 I remember a sister pulling me aside after one meeting to tell me that my dress was too high above my knee when I was sitting... I was 13, and started puberty much earlier than other girls my age. Growing up a jw girl, as well as one of the few Black ppl in my area was not fun 😭
When I was pregnant, I got a massive telling off by a sister because my knees were showing. My clothes were creeping up as my stomach grew. I shrugged and asked her if she was going to take me shopping for maternity clothes.
I was not popular in her house.
I remember being in a meeting and my husband ( who's disabled and was recovering from a stroke ) had fainted, I was kneeling next to him trying to bring him back round to find out what was happening while calling and ambulance, and a sister told me to rearrange my dress first because my thigh was showing.
I asked her what made her think I gave two shits about that and I didn't care if my entire butt was out, my priority was my husband.
A few days later an elder wife tried to tell me off for risking stumbling brothers. Emphasise on 'tried' I laughed in her face
My dad would be the Attendant at Conventions and it was just me and him so I'd help him in handing out the programs or folding people's walkers. And everyone always questioned him. "Why is she handing out programs?"
My dad's like "She's just helping me"
The women at the Conventions were the ones sitting at donation boxes or the nurse station. I never understood why I couldn't do certain stuff just because I was a female and that's ultimately why I left among other stuff
I, a young adult woman, am here to share an experience about growing up in this cult.
One time we were in service and this brother told my sister and I that he had "never met a female" that was as quiet as us. We're both shy. That's literally it. Also, what makes u think I'd want to engage in conversation with u if you speak to me like that?... be so fr. Not to mention the times that I got scolded for wearing inappropriate things (it wasn't too many times, but it made me very self-conscious to the point that I still dress pretty conservatively)
Oh yeah, I was told that I was too quiet too, like that would make me want to speak up
@daydream5120 Exactly. Like why would I wanna speak to someone who talks to me like that? That's disrespectful
@@lavender4658 I almost wanted to say a few times that they were too loud lol
@daydream5120 yea I definitely feel the same way, lol. Like a lot of ppl don't know how to use discernment, and figure out when they should stfu (cuz a lot of witnesses say things they could keep to themselves)
@@lavender4658 Definitely! They love to gossip
I refused to attend the meetings at 15 after all my sisters and my mother had left.
Having been raised as a JW from birth it completely took the rug out from underneath me.
Everything I’d been taught was a lie.
My dad is still a JW and he is a ministerial servant.
He was an elder but stepped down after our family broke up because of the shame of them turning away from “the truth”.
I love my dad dearly but when I look back on my youth it’s actually bonkers.
I was discouraged to get a good education as when I turned 18 I would become a full time pioneer(go out door knocking) and then marry a Brother who would support me.
I didn’t want that life.
I’m a scientist working in microbiology now and have earned the respect of my peers in a predominantly male workplace environment.
I’ve not married yet and don’t know if I ever will as I gravitate towards aggressive, controlling men as I was raised to believe I was in subjection to men and I didn’t realise how unhealthy and messed up that mindset is.
I personally don’t think I’ll ever get over my past completely as that cut runs deep.
I'm not an ex JW but I have attended meetings with one. Her name was Miss J, Jehony pronounced as Johnny, and yes that's how it's spelled. She was a JW from when she was a child and her name was spelled in honor of Jehovah. I have no idea how old she really is but in her late 60's. She was our neighbor and I would have bible studies or attend a lot of meetings with her. Many of the brothers and sisters would ask me if I was getting baptized and committing myself to Jehovah, and for reference I was 13 (17 rn) at the time I attended, and at that point, I had only been attending for about 2 months. I met a sweet lady who was named Peaches. She was an absolute doll.
Now Miss J and I were friends for a good while until she asked me to pay her back over 3,000 for things she had given me AND MY FAMILY over the years, for free mind you. She works as a manger at a grocery store and she would give us food the wasn't sellable but not spoiled. This was among some other things that fall into the line of "She just gave it to us". She harassed me to the point we were about to charge her for harassment of a minor. I reached back out a few weeks later to inform her of my Grandmothers passing as I knew no one would have told her, My gram was my life and world and they were friends until she became a C**t. Now up until about 6 months ago we got back in contact but I had learned she spilled our drama in the congregation and from then on Peaches would no longer speak to me and I was no longer welcome to meetings, which you know I was ok with. That being said, I hate this woman. When my grandmother passed away she said my Gram promised her a lot of our things or things she specifically left for me and my brother and threatened to call the cops because it wasn't ours. She walked all over my Gram and disrespected her memory so much, telling me I probably didn't care about Gram because I didn't call her asking her to pray to Jehovah for her. She also accused my mom of killing her sister when in reality her sister Oded after she was kicked out of my Gram's house she was renting (long story but My gram lived with us as the overbearing MIL and rented her house out. When mom kicked her out she Kicked Miss J's sister out). She also has called me crying over the loss of her sister who passed away in 2020, 3 YEARS LATER ALMOST EVERY DAY, and basically made that an excuse for all her problems in life but I know for a fact JW are taught to morn and move within like a week. It got to the point I told her I didn't want to hear another word from her or have her reach out to any of my family members because she was going to have to grow up and be an adult and stop calling a kid to solve your life problems.
I haven't heard from her since then like 4 months ago but I have many more examples of how she was just a horrible person who didn't even follow her religion and how miserable the meetings were. I'm honestly glad I was no longer welcome because my mental health had such a downward spike after I attended meetings and how many brothers and sisters were just so...no. It was 100% a cult and I'm so glad I didn't get involved any more than I did.
That woman sounds demented. She may have Dementia or Alzheimer’s. Those Elders ought to take care of her but of course they won’t.
Block this woman at every cost. My father has a sister who is one and she is very controlling and seem not to want to be friends with mostly people in her church. Never knew her untill i was lste 20s and she practically barged her way into my life and tried to tie my life up with all this JW crap. I too attended thr church a few times with her just to see whats up but brushed them off as soon as i pointed out certsin shit. I keep reminding her that she cannot apply JW laws to other people and she is very very ruthless. She helped me with a job once and because it didnt pan out how she wanted she got me fired the JW way. Anything thry help you with thry coming bsck to collect in nasty ways bordering on harassment, abuse and as illegal as they can be. She literally stalks me and even hsve friends who if they see me at work like when i got the job at a supermarket after not seeing her for 6 years becauze she didnt know where i was, thry tell her and she turns up every week on some BS. She is my fathers sister and she even stalks my mothers family who are in no way related to her wirh her JW bs trying to see if they will tell her where im at. Even turned up at my cousins work place saying im missing and looking for me. I dont even talk to my dad anymore because of her. He was glad he got rid of her and she stalking someone else with her JW.
Here is a hot take we are all equal regardless of sex, gender, pronouns, place of origin, level of education, ethnicity, race, eye colour, skin colour, hair colour, skin marks, handedness, number of body parts, hobby, occupation, job skill level, pay grade, socioeconomic status, ability, religion, creed, school of thought/ jurisprudence, denomination, political standing, philosophy, culture, subculture, generation, age, and body shape and size. We are all human, all 8 billion of us.
The whole thing about men doing all the duties and being the elders and ministerial servants never did make sense to me, since other churches allowed women to do all that stuff, and women can make certain decisions better than men.
Women had better learn to make quick-don’t-give-me-shit decisions. Because if a child needs a blood transfusion to save their life, most likely that father is a Company Man who’s going to say “No!” That woman better be able to shove him aside and save her child!
Darn tooting!
Wow. Im female.
Why on earth would anyone put up with this? I mean I get people in other cultures where the *entire* culture is set up that women are kind of just unpaid labor for the benefit of men, its hard to see any other way.
But if you live in the Western world, you will see women going around having similar social power to men, earning their own money, and doing what they want to. And whether "what they want to" is be a mom, housewife, or go climb the corporate ladder or start a business - its their choice to do it.
Being a witness woman was a nightmare, technically you rank lower than baptized male children (which is encourage at around 8 now). Imagine being in a service group of all 20+ to 70+ year old women and having to ask the freshly baptized 8 y. o. to pray for the meeting. I actively thought that since I'd have to follow headship if I was married, I might as well give up on the whole thing.
And pour one out to the DESPERATE sisters hunting for 'a mate' cause they vastly outnumbered men. What an embarresment...
As a regular degular Christian I must say, JW doctrine is a lil bit unhinged
Yeah! Considering how chauvinistic Catholicism is, the fact that it looks egalitarian compared to JW is much too telling!!
@@daniellevinson6975At least the Catholic Church evolves. But I don’t understand why all the old ladies have such short mannish haircuts. JW’s never change as far as blood-thirsty doctrines and hurtful punishments but they change constantly on stupid things like beards and changing words such as “the FINE Shepherd” instead of “the GOOD Shepherd” and the role and importance of Jesus...but anything that will medically save your or a child’s life using blood-no, gotta die. Shunning and losing all your loved ones-nope, no changes there. Protecting pedophiles, that may change with all the Court cases.
I hate when people read the first paragraph of a research and claim they know everything about it
To put i simply: they use the information to their benfit and in the wrong way
Cherry picking
I remember at a Witness picnic my JW Elder father asking me to get him a beer - which I promptly did. He then turned to another male friend and said “this is what girls are good at”. Ashamed to say I felt a bit proud! Now out 40+ years! I’m not ashamed to say I’m proud of my real accomplishments in life (college, retired from a Fortune 500 company with a great salary and benefits - insurance and pension!) All I want to do is shout from the tree tops WOMEN - please get an education. It will change your life forever!
the way this cult treats women is appalling
On Esther:
Esther did NOT listen and obey. Wrf?
The whole deal with her was that she and every other young woman in the kingdom was essentially forced into the king's harrem. Each girl was to spend one night with the king, then go to live the rest of her life in a harrem, unless the king liked you and then you become queen.
After the king's night with Esther, he "found favor" with her. That doesn't sound very chaste to me. And this was before her husband attempted genocide on the Jews btw.
Also, the Bible usually is pretty good at listing the genealogy of a person. The fact that it doesn't mention any of Esther's kids leads me to believe that she had no kids.
I could’ve been a devoted JW, but the fact that I never agreed with this specific part made me never want to get baptized. I always told myself “one day I’ll understand and I’ll accept my place as a woman, but for now, I can’t devote myself to something I don’t fully understand.” Turns out I absolutely understood everything 100%, and I just didn’t agree with it. I couldn’t change that fundamental value within me.
Edit: I have an experience with the sister I studied the Bible with. I told her about my aspirations. I said I wanted to be a history or a French teacher, or do something related to languages or history. She discouraged me from pursuing studies and told me I could be fulfilled by other things like… being an elder’s wife. I was too stunned to say anything and I was desperate to finally do something right in her eyes. But it never left me and still pisses me off because I delayed my studies for years because of this.
I can’t imagine being a JW but I do wish all women would know they are women. We are NOT second class citizens and we ARE created equal. I just tire of people questioning their biological sex. Thank you for this great video!
I had a lady come to my door as a JW, I told her we could discuss but I was not interested in converting. It was sad, to me that they were not to partake of food of those not of their faith. However, she did but feeling somewhat guilty. It was eye opening to learn a divergent view of spiritual matters, she was a very sweet, intelligent woman who knew her stuff. But eventually, I think her husband made the decision not to drop her at my house because I did not convert. Quite quickly, our conversations would be more than talking about the bible, not really personal, she was very guarded but I got the impression this time we spent together was less about converting me and more of a respite for her. I remember her astonishment when I politely asked her in to talk over some refreshments and she was hesitant but did. I already knew they were not to enter a home when out witnessing, but I extended the invitation , surprised she accepted. I really enjoyed those afternoon visits once a week.
This was the #1 reason I deconstructed. I had straight A's in school. (Not saying I am smart, but I am good at studying, and I studied myself right out of this cult.) I was always annoyed that women were blamed for the down fall of humankind when Eve wasn't even created until AFTER god told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Genesis 2:15-17 & 2:22. Also I was furious that rape victims could be sold to their rapists among so many other atrocities against women in the bible. My husband is my partner, NOT my master.
This is why I got out before getting married and having children because I didn’t want any of my daughters putting up with this nonsense.🤦♀️
I almost became a victim of this church, noticed way too early that something was off and left😢
i grew up as a jw and i vividly remember a sister asking me "so do you plan on getting married when you grow up or stay a virgin and serve in bethel?" when i was ELEVEN. a lot of the sisters and brothers made me feel as if i was a dishonorable woman when i was only a preteen/teenager. now as an adult, i can see that they were full of bs and really creepy for telling a literal child that she was "being a stumbling block". really glad me and my family left that organization
the part about women's brain size being 10% smaller than a male's meaning that women are less capable of leadership...
do they at all take into account outliers? do they ever look at a woman and see that she has a larger cranium than the man next to her, and deduce that she must be smarter?
I'm a woman with an abnormally large brain size (though I don't believe I'm especially intelligent because of it, so there must not be too much correlation) that's easily noticeable just from looking at the shape of my skull, but would they who think that brain size is the be-all-end-all just look at me and assume that the size of my cranium must be largely empty, unused space because my brain should be 10% smaller than that of /any/ man?
THANK YOU for addressing that "appropriate dress" is really contextual. No one ever seems to mention that. People tend to have this very one dimensional idea of what people "should" wear but really it's about context. A pop singer may wear something outlandish and sexy on stage as part of a performance, but you wouldn't wear that to a PTA meeting. So much about how to dress appropriately is about where you will be going, but it's so weird when people compare their idea of everyday attire to what is worn in very different situations and use that as a way to shame other women. Club wear is not office wear and vice versa. Let people have their fun dressing up for the club, who cares? If you don't like it then don't go.
I am fluffing disgusting with this misogyny in this religious cult!
Our church would call them “eye traps” lol
Then I became super punk for a while and made people uncomfortable 😂
One person said I couldn’t be saved because my hair was blue 😂😂
Okay, dangerhair. 😂
HA! Blue hair so you can’t be saved? Oh Christ!
@@christinesotelo7655 yup. Absolute heathen 🤣🤣
@@tinkercat8268 They saw the blue hair before in various DEI-slop online, saw you with it coming a mile away from your hair color, and reacted accordingly.
As much as I disaprove of JW's, I wouldn't blame them for not wanting a wokie around to sue for imagined SA charges. That's just what normal people would do when they see someone with dyed hair.
@@Green-Raccoon777 lol WHAT?! No normal people do NOT jump to crazy assumptions like that over colored hair. That is insane. Especially coming from a collective group of people who like to throw the word “woke” around and can’t even accurately define what it means or where it came from.
In the cult I grew up in, women were also second class citizens, as well as brood mares. We were expected to be like Esther and Ruth , be attractive but modest, be sexually pure but also never say no to your husband once you got married, etc. I was very outspoken as a kid and teenager and did not fit in well.