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I hated the whole Dax storyline. But yes...K'Ehleyr was definitely an interesting addition and she had a unique challenging yet appealing chemistry with Worf.
Meh, she left him high and dry, then randomly showed up 7 years later with his kid. "Oh, sorry. You missed your son's first steps. His first laugh. First fight. First everything. Claim him please?"
@@Maniac742 It's different for Klingons though. He was willing to commit to her and she came to love and respect him. And she never let that go even after she left him. Its why she teases him for not being affectionate when she accepts him as her mate. And it's why it pained him especially when it's the guy who he hated the most killing the person he loved the most and the mother of his child.
it's canon that Duras picked Ambassador K'Ehleyr up and gave her a Randy Orton backbreaker, then, bang, delayed vertical suplex onto the table. Say what you like about the guy but perfect form here tonight at Ja'chuq 2367
@@bobkerr2755 I was about to say yeah....until he abandoned the boy completely then let him become the crews laughing stock thrown into a war years behind even the other kids training and with no talent for anything...yeah...tear jerking for sure
@@mistermonologue2442 I absolutely love Worf as a character, warts and all but damn. Straight up abandoning your son because he doesn't live up to your cartoonish, stereotypical and borderline racist depiction of what Worf thought it meant to be a Klingon and then pawning him off on to your elderly adopted parents wasn't exactly Worf's finest moment.
K'ehlyr was such a well written and acted character; powerful yet subtle, vivacious and passionate, warm yet fierce. I cried the first time I saw this episode, and I still get goosebumps at Worf's agonizing howl to Sto-vo-kor as the life leaves her body. For me, it's made more impactful by his later relationship with Jadzia, who in many ways reminds me of K'ehlyr, ending the same way. Worf is one of the most tragic ST characters to me: isolated from his own kind the majority of his life, suffering the loss of two mates, he's had it rough.
It's funny how Worf is 100x more Klingon than the rest, and he was raised on Earth,by humans shunned by his own over a lie. Worf is everything most Klingons just claim to be: Strong, brave, selfless, loyal, and of course, Honorable.
And it's even more interesting that Ezri, who inherited Dax from Jadzia, was also in some ways similar to K'Ehleyr(and contrasting with Jadzia)- both shared an impartial and critical view on the Klingon Empire, willing to call the bad things out as well as deviating from Klingon sociocultural explanations, only that K'Ehleyr was much more assertive and unabashed about it!
If you're going to kill someone, even if you're in a rush, shouldn't you make sure they're all the way dead before you leave the room? Esp. if you're a skilled warrior like Duras? Even if you're in a rush, an extra slash to the throat isn't going to take too much time... Also, shouldn't the ship's computer be able to tell you who the last person to leave the room? Shouldn't the computer also be able to detect when someone is dying? Like if someone has a heart attack or a stroke, shouldn't the computer be able to detect something like that?
@@d.a.baracus I believe the writers didn’t install that feature. They didn’t want the future to be creepy. You bring up a point about Durus, maybe he didn’t care if she was dead. Just thought she was taught a lesson. As far as knowing who did it, he certainly could’ve checked the tapes. But he didn’t have to because she told him. Which of course is also a better scene in the episode.
@@d.a.baracus Fear makes stupid, that is why such scheming thugs can be messy in their conduct particularly when confronted head-on. Psychologically realistic. She left him little choice. The game was pretty much up.
It can be explained as the person is in such poor health that matter disassembly and reassembly their pattern is too unstable to be compensated by the Heisenberg compensator and their data stream too fragmented for safe reassembly...
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE Transporters don't send matter, just the information on how that matter is arranged. Every time someone transports, that "being" is gone. This is proven by the couple episodes where a transport created two "copies". Those atoms came from somewhere, not the original body. Therefore only the schematic of that person is "transported". As such, there's zero reason, short of transporter failure, why a ship would even need a medical crew. Every individual just needs an updated schematic. Atoms get rearranged from space the same way they always do with transporters (or replicators, for that matter, badump tsss). Wounds are "magically" gone. Poison induced cellular damage? Repaired. Kinda makes the entire Vorta race irrelevant, since what's the point of clones if you can just poof a person from an atomic blueprint.
Loved that character since this first aired , i get why they did it but i still dont like it . So much potential left on the table . Also Suzie Plackson is hot as Hell
Imagine calling a medical emergency on a starship with instant transporter beams, and nothing happens for minutes. Also: Imagine someone being murdered on a starship that can scan anything and everything, but doesn't pick up that someone has been MURDERED.
Yes. It's annoying to see obvious ridiculousness. Could have had Warf immediately beam to sick bay, when they start to beam, she calls for her son and he jumps in to get transported too. The doc tries but she dies because too many injuries and then Warf can scream. Alternatively, after they beam, his son could run to the elevator and run into the sick bay just as she dies and then Warf screams. They can stay true to the tech without sacrificing the plot and emotions. Similarly, transporters always work wonders, except when they don't. Always so many reasons for them not to work.
@@brianwest2775 everything in Star trek moves at the speed of plot. The o.g. enterprise went to the edge of the Galaxy (more than once) and the center of the Galaxy in hours, but voyager would take 80 odd years to move that distance.
Not just that, a medical emergency should mean they beam her to sick bay which might have been enough time to stabilize her but it boggles my mind that the ship sensor don't detect these things and report them to sick bay, it's clear their sensors can detect people, I would imagine they can also detect near death situations. Another one is the transporters, that tech could be used in so many other ways like with medical procedures, which is always the flaws with these shows, they tend to use tech in a very limited way which isn't natural to how humans use tech, we invent one thing and that splinters off into other uses, something we rarely see with Star Trek because of a lack of creativity.
Yeah and she did it alone with no phaser in hand. She had to of known she was dead the second she spilled everything she knew and was alone with him, she then proceeds to insult him his father and is honor. So yeah, she was dead meat at that moment.
@@ronaldshank7589 She was an un armed female alone, and a male 4 times her size broke her in two. I don't thihnk that was "honorable" by any means. Durass on the other h and got to fight and protect himself and was killed by worf with a blade to the throat. That was honorable. I think thats why they chose not to show her being killed but we got to see worf kill durass.
@@cranbers, I think that they mean her side of the arrangement is honorable. She died after a final combat against an opponent better suited for the occasion. His lack of honor does not deny her the honorable death in combat. Duras however is toast and destined to be destroyed for his dishonorable ways.
I always wondered why there was no security posted at Ambassador Keh'lehr's quarters. Given the captain and ambassador's involvement in the proceedings, and at least one party responsible for the murder of the Klingon Chancellor, both should have had round-the-clock security details wherever they went. It would have showcased the non-main character security personnel as more than window dressing/ cannon fodder.
I like how her door was un locked, she didn't panic when he stormed in and then she proceeds to tell him everything, then insults him his father and doesn't think she's a dead women at that point? She didn't know the klingons very well did she.
@@cranbers no she did, but like she told Gowron "Kem'pec was old & weak, I am not." She was overconfident in her ability but she wasn't ignorant of the danger
@@chrispeplinski7306 it’s a stretch of a theory, but it might be possible that she deliberately got herself killed to give Worf the opening to take out Duras. The very next scene after the confrontation almost hints at it… a form of suicide to kill an enemy. In K’ehlyar’s instance, she set up a situation where a fight between Worf and Duras was inevitable. And she was betting on Worf being the better combatant. Just a theory, but an interesting one in my opinion.
I never understood what Duras expected to have happen next. He killed an ambassador. Surely he knew they’d determine who killed her. He had no idea of Worf’s relationship with her, but he had to know there would be consequences. Gowron’s team alone would’ve been asking questions. Why did Duras kill this woman? They eventually would’ve uncovered the same evidence she had. Even if Worf hadn’t killed Duras, the case against him was growing. You never get the impression he had a plan. The writers made him look incompetent.
If you look at his attitude he actually was kind of incompetent. Even the plot to blame Mogh was based on his short sightedness. He genuinely didn't believe that Worf wouldn't come to challenge the accusation. Nor did he know Kurn existed. And Duras always acts like an entitled child. A noble Klingon who grew up with power and has no respect for it.
The look on Duras’ face when Worf says Kylar was his mate is priceless. It’s the “oh Sh** did I just step in it” look as he realizes he just handed Worf the perfect opportunity, and legal by Klingon law, to kill him.
@@3Rayfire He did know Kurn existed. He flat-out tells Kurn that he knows who he is and gives him a chance to back away while his identity is still a secret, and when Kurn refuses he tries to have him murdered (though if he had succeeded I imagine Worf would have revealed his identity and challenged Duras to "right of Vengeance" even earlier)
@@jonathancampbell5231 Wasn't that later on though? I'm referring to initially when he made the claim against Mogh. Not having Kurn out of the way before was a rookie mistake otherwise. When Kurn shows up alongside Worf putting two and two together isn't that hard.
I fully accept artistic license as a necessity within the practical constraints of a tv drama. But when the ship’s security officer calls in a medical emergency - from a VIP’s quarters, no less - and the ship’s medical team doesn’t show up for a minute and 40 seconds, the improbability of it reaches a distracting level.
you're talking about a ship with an internal volume 10 to 14 times that of a modern day Nimitz class carrier, unless the medical team is beamed there directly from sick bay it's gonna take time.
Maybe they should have... I dunno... security cameras? We have them now, hundreds of years before that. And wow, it takes a long time for doctors to arrive.
In one of the episodes they didn’t have a flashlight. They had to use that his eyes from his disconnected head. But cameras in an ambassador‘s private room? Not likely.
@@yadt She had to allow him in. I don’t think that she thought he was going to kill her. Plus she’s a Klingon, so she thought that she could put up a good fight.
@@stratfordbaby Little did she know she killed herself and Duras. Then again, she’s half Klingon. She’s not gonna punk out. The room look like she put up a good fight.
The characters of TNG are some of the most solid and decent folk around. Warf was orphaned, disgraced, exiled, and yet more klingon, honourable and honest than any other klingon
Beyond that I find it weird how people who are still kinda clinging to life, aren't able to be revived with 24th century tech after they expire. Organ damage? Artificial organs are available. Blood loss? They should have a blood bank on board. Don't they have full life support systems? There should be several minutes to work on the body before brain death sets in, they could even artificially oxygenate the brain directly while repairing the other damage. I just expect better given the level of technology we see.
@@softy8088 Remember the episode where Worf died after a surgery on this spinal cord - he was dead for several minutes and suddenly came back due his duplicate organs.
Crusher says she looked at the dynoscans. There is only two times I've heard that word used. Another TNG episode by Geordi and the first time way back in Star Trek II by Chekov when the Reliant detects life on Ceti Alpha V and says they detected something on one dynoscanner. TNG could really pay attention to canon sometimes.
At least half Klingons have better teeth. But maybe she also died being only half Klingon as they often survive fatal insuries due their duplicate organs?
I was pretty disappointed that they killed her character off. I understand why they did it but I would have wanted far more screen time with her in both TNG and hopefully in DS9. Suzie Plankson(sp?) did a fantastic job.
Things Worf did right - Avenging K'Ehlyer's murder by killing Duras Things Worf didn't do right - Fulfilling K'Ehlyer's dying wish of taking care of Alexander
He did, in the best way he knew how and the best for his child, given his life at that point. His parents were loving people who had experience raising a Klingon child.
We should have seen Counsellor Troi on the bridge looking pained and calling security to K'Ehleyr's quarters. If she could sense Rogar Danar having a mere nightmare in The Hunted as she casually walked through the corridor, she should have sensed Duras' murderous temper flaring up and K'Ehleyr's reaction, esp given the fact that during K'Ehleyr's last visit, Troi sensed her anger when she shattered the table in her quarters. Inconsistent writing strikes again.
Yeah, they *really* underutilize Troi's abilities and the implications of Betazoid telepathy. Like, even for a half-Betazoid like Troi, her empathic awareness is *ship-to-ship* dammit! That is a range of *kilometers* at the very least, possibly hundreds! Not only should she almost never be taken by surprise by hostile sapients (with the notable exception of the Borg, helping to sell the horror aspect inherent to their portrayal), life on the Enterprise for her should be a microcosm of what Tam Elbrun experiences - not to the level of being debilitating and mentally scarring, no, but definitely uncomfortable for a *number* of reasons, *all* of which are connected to there being over a thousand people onboard! xD Honestly, thinking about it now, "The Loss" really should have explored Troi's situation from the opposite angle - how not having her empathic abilities doesn't make her "useless," but actually *improves* her quality of life *and* the quality of her work as ship's counselor while *still* being incredibly disorienting, which would have been a much better dichotomy to explore than what we got. As it stands, the episode just kinda makes her look incompetent without her abilities, and I just hate to see one of my favorite TNG characters being let down by the writing so consistently until the later seasons. =(
I always hated this scene, yet respected the scene, too gut wrenching yet true to life. There was a murder in my home town a little over a year ago of a mother when the child was present. I felt really bad for this kid, yet at the same time he is going experienced a situation, as hard as it is to experience, something that I much older than he has not.l and I have no words for him if I was to meet him to comfort him. An experience he will at some point, if he lives honorably, drawl wisdom from. Wisdom which I would not have, at least in the way he has.
K'Ehlyr's heart was the best of both Klingon and human. We don't see how many good hits she may have landed before Duras got the better of her...but she looked her enemy firmly in the face and died the Klingon way, with honor.
Doctor Crusher: OH! This is not a problem, just run her through the transporter using her current mind state and her prior body pattern in the transporter buffer memory core...
Imagine if the Enterprise had a way to do a site to site transport in an emergency such as this....., obviously that would decrease the drama level, damn plot armor! (Poor Worf)
She was very bold, confronting him like that. The outcome was inevitable. Was she fully aware that she would have to try and repel murder attempts? She could simply have been more discreet. This would only make sense in a martyr context, but that would willingly rob Alexander of his mother. Maybe this was just forced-drama writing. ... Or maybe just natural societal messiness. Maybe she also wanted to use the escalation opportunity to make sure Duras would not be the next chancellor. ... But the info she had gathered should have been sufficient to make an educated decision, no?
There was always an inconsistency with the whole medical emergency. On some shows they would transport straight to the infirmary and other the medical team shows up. This little detail bothered me.
It's one of those many that made no sense. 1) Why have one security guy (and why is their training crap?) 2) Why wouldn't the computer monitor the people you want to watch. 3) Why wouldn't the computer as a simple safety feature monitor everyone to see if they were dying from something? 4) Why wouldn't the "medical emergency" result in the immediate dematerialization of the injured by the transporter (hell, they didn't even beam in the medical team). 5) Such a basic "traumatic wound" death is generally reversible now (depends on a lot); never mind then. Based on behavior, she wasn't even dead, just unconscious from blood loss. Death would be (for a human) at least 4 min away. 6) What kind of idiot doesn't make sure the person he is killing to silence is actually dead? 7) Why didn't she call for help? The computer takes voice commands.
Her death is still hurtful to this day. Her heart was in the right place but she was messing with her own Klingon race of rogues who were willing to take her out because she got to close to the truth.
When worf......steps on to Duras ship...you can feel....that worf ....was gonna kill him....one way or another.....he was not coming back...until the deed was done....go Worf....son of...😡😱😵 mough
It was one thing to rob Worf of his family's honor, but Duras went one step too far in murdering K'Ehleyr in cold blood, all so he could keep the truth of his treachery hidden. He had made things personal for the son of Mogh, and it would come back to haunt the petaq in the next scene.
Something that always bothered me was, Worf called out a medical emergency... why didn't a medical team do an immediate site to site transport? I know it was needed for the story to proceed, but other than plot armor, why?
i) Why did she let him in? ii) Why did she not call Security? iii) Doesn't the Enterprise have sensors that detect if anyone's life signs suddenly plunge, and beam them to sickbay? She lay there stabbed for 30 minutes, ON the Enterprise itself.
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she was an intersting character. shame they killed her off so soon. Poor worf, lost her and then Dax.
Yeah, and in the books his girlfriend gets murdered again.
@@RampantFury925 Jesus, poor guy just can't catch a break!
That man's luck with women just plain sucks!
Worf lovers tend to die
I hated the whole Dax storyline. But yes...K'Ehleyr was definitely an interesting addition and she had a unique challenging yet appealing chemistry with Worf.
Worf's agony at K'Ehleyr's death was heartbreaking. Even after 30 years, my heart still goes out to the big guy. Duras got exactly what he deserved.
Meh, she left him high and dry, then randomly showed up 7 years later with his kid. "Oh, sorry. You missed your son's first steps. His first laugh. First fight. First everything. Claim him please?"
@@Maniac742 It's different for Klingons though. He was willing to commit to her and she came to love and respect him. And she never let that go even after she left him. Its why she teases him for not being affectionate when she accepts him as her mate. And it's why it pained him especially when it's the guy who he hated the most killing the person he loved the most and the mother of his child.
it's canon that Duras picked Ambassador K'Ehleyr up and gave her a Randy Orton backbreaker, then, bang, delayed vertical suplex onto the table. Say what you like about the guy but perfect form here tonight at Ja'chuq 2367
meanwhil the child doesn't care AT ALL
Worf gave Duras a Klingon Tracheotomy
K'Ehleyr's last action being to take her son's hand and place it over Worf's is one of the most tear-jerking scenes in all of Star Trek.
Even more devastating when you remember what a horrible father Worf ending up being to Alexander.
@@bobkerr2755
I was about to say yeah....until he abandoned the boy completely then let him become the crews laughing stock thrown into a war years behind even the other kids training and with no talent for anything...yeah...tear jerking for sure
@@mistermonologue2442 I absolutely love Worf as a character, warts and all but damn. Straight up abandoning your son because he doesn't live up to your cartoonish, stereotypical and borderline racist depiction of what Worf thought it meant to be a Klingon and then pawning him off on to your elderly adopted parents wasn't exactly Worf's finest moment.
I got the chokey feel in my throat from that part.
When Worf finds out that Duras is the assailant, and he goes after him, he takes a huge step forward in becoming a truly great Klingon Warrior.
K'ehlyr was such a well written and acted character; powerful yet subtle, vivacious and passionate, warm yet fierce. I cried the first time I saw this episode, and I still get goosebumps at Worf's agonizing howl to Sto-vo-kor as the life leaves her body. For me, it's made more impactful by his later relationship with Jadzia, who in many ways reminds me of K'ehlyr, ending the same way. Worf is one of the most tragic ST characters to me: isolated from his own kind the majority of his life, suffering the loss of two mates, he's had it rough.
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It's funny how Worf is 100x more Klingon than the rest, and he was raised on Earth,by humans shunned by his own over a lie.
Worf is everything most Klingons just claim to be: Strong, brave, selfless, loyal, and of course, Honorable.
And it's even more interesting that Ezri, who inherited Dax from Jadzia, was also in some ways similar to K'Ehleyr(and contrasting with Jadzia)- both shared an impartial and critical view on the Klingon Empire, willing to call the bad things out as well as deviating from Klingon sociocultural explanations, only that K'Ehleyr was much more assertive and unabashed about it!
@Koulnisummm no, Terry Farrell was laughed at by sexist pig producer Berman, who didn't want to pay her more for her work
@@joe9739He's basically the Captain America of Quonos if you think about it and that's awesome
"You have never seen death?"
"Then look. And *always* remember".
"It will be on the test."
"...And I always have."
Damn right.
"Gowron?"
"No..."
"Duras!"
"Alexander..."
"The child? What? But he was with me!"
Bah, we all know the one armed man did it.
@@RandomAmerican3000
No I believe it was the guy with the large blade sticking out of his chest that did it.
If you're going to kill someone, even if you're in a rush, shouldn't you make sure they're all the way dead before you leave the room? Esp. if you're a skilled warrior like Duras? Even if you're in a rush, an extra slash to the throat isn't going to take too much time... Also, shouldn't the ship's computer be able to tell you who the last person to leave the room? Shouldn't the computer also be able to detect when someone is dying? Like if someone has a heart attack or a stroke, shouldn't the computer be able to detect something like that?
@@d.a.baracus
I believe the writers didn’t install that feature. They didn’t want the future to be creepy. You bring up a point about Durus, maybe he didn’t care if she was dead. Just thought she was taught a lesson.
As far as knowing who did it, he certainly could’ve checked the tapes. But he didn’t have to because she told him.
Which of course is also a better scene in the episode.
@@d.a.baracus Fear makes stupid, that is why such scheming thugs can be messy in their conduct particularly when confronted head-on. Psychologically realistic. She left him little choice. The game was pretty much up.
"The son betrays his people to the Romulans just as his father did..... Duras!"
She's got the beans of a warrior!
"Like FATHER like SON" Remember - The FLY II.
His sisters do the same thing in ''Redemption parts I and II''.
@andysahs1599 And they severely damaged the Enteprise D on Star Trek: Generations. I'll never forget that!!!
"As the humans say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, especially when the apple is rotten to the core."
Kaylar wasn't investigating as a Star Fleet officer... she was Ride or Dying for *her MAAAAN and FAM on this one!* It was an honorable death😚
Most Honorable!
The second most important name scream in Star Trek history.
What was the first?
@@johnnydoe7616 I revoke your ST card!
KHAAAAAAAAAAAN!
@@johnnydoe7616 Khaaaaaaaan!
Name scream? It's a warning for the dead in Stovokor that a warrior is coming!
@@hadesdescent6664 it’s a joke dude. Don’t take Star Trek so seriously.
I cried like a baby the first time I saw this episode. Kayla was such a great character.
Who's Kayla. OK, I'm just being a jerk.
"Look and always remember. You're going to be talking about this in therapy for decades."
The beaming directly to sickbay option is always curiously unavailable when it hinders the plot.
It can be explained as the person is in such poor health that matter disassembly and reassembly their pattern is too unstable to be compensated by the Heisenberg compensator and their data stream too fragmented for safe reassembly...
Exactly, and with an ever present ships computer not aware of a failing life sign or bloody attack ??
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE Transporters don't send matter, just the information on how that matter is arranged. Every time someone transports, that "being" is gone. This is proven by the couple episodes where a transport created two "copies". Those atoms came from somewhere, not the original body. Therefore only the schematic of that person is "transported". As such, there's zero reason, short of transporter failure, why a ship would even need a medical crew. Every individual just needs an updated schematic. Atoms get rearranged from space the same way they always do with transporters (or replicators, for that matter, badump tsss). Wounds are "magically" gone. Poison induced cellular damage? Repaired. Kinda makes the entire Vorta race irrelevant, since what's the point of clones if you can just poof a person from an atomic blueprint.
@@cjohnson3836 i imagine the nocebo effect fucks you up in you try that.
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE what about beaming medical staff directly to the injured person? Like there's no reason Dr Crusher had to take so long to get there
Loved that character since this first aired , i get why they did it but i still dont like it . So much potential left on the table . Also Suzie Plackson is hot as Hell
She was my first "celebrity crush" after watching TNG as a kid lol
Still brought a tear to my eye even now, 2024.
Imagine calling a medical emergency on a starship with instant transporter beams, and nothing happens for minutes. Also: Imagine someone being murdered on a starship that can scan anything and everything, but doesn't pick up that someone has been MURDERED.
Everything in space moves at the speed of plot.
Yes. It's annoying to see obvious ridiculousness. Could have had Warf immediately beam to sick bay, when they start to beam, she calls for her son and he jumps in to get transported too. The doc tries but she dies because too many injuries and then Warf can scream. Alternatively, after they beam, his son could run to the elevator and run into the sick bay just as she dies and then Warf screams. They can stay true to the tech without sacrificing the plot and emotions.
Similarly, transporters always work wonders, except when they don't. Always so many reasons for them not to work.
@@brianwest2775 everything in Star trek moves at the speed of plot. The o.g. enterprise went to the edge of the Galaxy (more than once) and the center of the Galaxy in hours, but voyager would take 80 odd years to move that distance.
Not just that, a medical emergency should mean they beam her to sick bay which might have been enough time to stabilize her but it boggles my mind that the ship sensor don't detect these things and report them to sick bay, it's clear their sensors can detect people, I would imagine they can also detect near death situations.
Another one is the transporters, that tech could be used in so many other ways like with medical procedures, which is always the flaws with these shows, they tend to use tech in a very limited way which isn't natural to how humans use tech, we invent one thing and that splinters off into other uses, something we rarely see with Star Trek because of a lack of creativity.
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I love how kehyler confronts duras its like shes saying youre finished arsehole
Even though it cost her her life, she was unafraid to face such an evil character. That took real guts!
Yeah and she did it alone with no phaser in hand. She had to of known she was dead the second she spilled everything she knew and was alone with him, she then proceeds to insult him his father and is honor. So yeah, she was dead meat at that moment.
@@cranbers She definitely died an HONORABLE Death... unlike that deceitful coward, Duras!!!
@@ronaldshank7589 She was an un armed female alone, and a male 4 times her size broke her in two. I don't thihnk that was "honorable" by any means. Durass on the other h and got to fight and protect himself and was killed by worf with a blade to the throat. That was honorable. I think thats why they chose not to show her being killed but we got to see worf kill durass.
@@cranbers, I think that they mean her side of the arrangement is honorable. She died after a final combat against an opponent better suited for the occasion. His lack of honor does not deny her the honorable death in combat. Duras however is toast and destined to be destroyed for his dishonorable ways.
I always wondered why there was no security posted at Ambassador Keh'lehr's quarters. Given the captain and ambassador's involvement in the proceedings, and at least one party responsible for the murder of the Klingon Chancellor, both should have had round-the-clock security details wherever they went. It would have showcased the non-main character security personnel as more than window dressing/ cannon fodder.
I remember Odo running the list of security failures with Worf in charge. Does play into the joke a galaxy class is a federation cruise ship.
I like how her door was un locked, she didn't panic when he stormed in and then she proceeds to tell him everything, then insults him his father and doesn't think she's a dead women at that point? She didn't know the klingons very well did she.
@@cranbers no she did, but like she told Gowron "Kem'pec was old & weak, I am not." She was overconfident in her ability but she wasn't ignorant of the danger
Felt bad for kheylr that she had to die but at least worf got his paybackon duras
@@chrispeplinski7306 it’s a stretch of a theory, but it might be possible that she deliberately got herself killed to give Worf the opening to take out Duras. The very next scene after the confrontation almost hints at it… a form of suicide to kill an enemy. In K’ehlyar’s instance, she set up a situation where a fight between Worf and Duras was inevitable. And she was betting on Worf being the better combatant.
Just a theory, but an interesting one in my opinion.
"You have never seen beans?"
"Then look. And always remember"
Thats gotta be the slowest emergency response time ever on a starship.
I never understood what Duras expected to have happen next. He killed an ambassador. Surely he knew they’d determine who killed her. He had no idea of Worf’s relationship with her, but he had to know there would be consequences. Gowron’s team alone would’ve been asking questions. Why did Duras kill this woman? They eventually would’ve uncovered the same evidence she had. Even if Worf hadn’t killed Duras, the case against him was growing. You never get the impression he had a plan. The writers made him look incompetent.
If you look at his attitude he actually was kind of incompetent. Even the plot to blame Mogh was based on his short sightedness. He genuinely didn't believe that Worf wouldn't come to challenge the accusation. Nor did he know Kurn existed. And Duras always acts like an entitled child. A noble Klingon who grew up with power and has no respect for it.
The look on Duras’ face when Worf says Kylar was his mate is priceless. It’s the “oh Sh** did I just step in it” look as he realizes he just handed Worf the perfect opportunity, and legal by Klingon law, to kill him.
Any brain cells in the House of Duras went entirely to his sisters.
@@3Rayfire He did know Kurn existed. He flat-out tells Kurn that he knows who he is and gives him a chance to back away while his identity is still a secret, and when Kurn refuses he tries to have him murdered (though if he had succeeded I imagine Worf would have revealed his identity and challenged Duras to "right of Vengeance" even earlier)
@@jonathancampbell5231 Wasn't that later on though? I'm referring to initially when he made the claim against Mogh. Not having Kurn out of the way before was a rookie mistake otherwise. When Kurn shows up alongside Worf putting two and two together isn't that hard.
Stay with the doctor I need to open up a can of whoop ass. So I need to get my can opener.
Boss!
I fully accept artistic license as a necessity within the practical constraints of a tv drama. But when the ship’s security officer calls in a medical emergency - from a VIP’s quarters, no less - and the ship’s medical team doesn’t show up for a minute and 40 seconds, the improbability of it reaches a distracting level.
Lmao... Yeah, pretty much ..
I mean an ambassador without posted security guards is ridiculous too. Also the guard that let himself be distracted should be in prison.
you're talking about a ship with an internal volume 10 to 14 times that of a modern day Nimitz class carrier, unless the medical team is beamed there directly from sick bay it's gonna take time.
When the three of them were holding hands I nearly cried. Nearly.
You cried. It's ok.
3:50
This is it. This is the moment that made me wish I spoke Klingon. I started yelling NO HONOR!
Worf, son of Mogh, son of Worf: "This is not Klingon blood."
She was half human.
All these years later...missing Suzie Plakson...**sigh**....
I do the Klingon death howl with Worf.
As do I!
No, K'Ehleyr! K'EHLEYR!!!!
ROAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR!!!
Maybe they should have... I dunno... security cameras? We have them now, hundreds of years before that.
And wow, it takes a long time for doctors to arrive.
In one of the episodes they didn’t have a flashlight. They had to use that his eyes from his disconnected head.
But cameras in an ambassador‘s private room? Not likely.
Or a video-camera doorbell to avoid accidentally allowing assassins access.
@@yadt
She had to allow him in. I don’t think that she thought he was going to kill her. Plus she’s a Klingon, so she thought that she could put up a good fight.
@@neilkurzman4907That's right, she let Duras in.
@@stratfordbaby
Little did she know she killed herself and Duras.
Then again, she’s half Klingon. She’s not gonna punk out. The room look like she put up a good fight.
At 4:02, the legendary Klingon death roar! "Warning afterworld! A new Klingon is coming!"
"And fearful be the god or man or beast that stands in my way." - Worf
The characters of TNG are some of the most solid and decent folk around. Warf was orphaned, disgraced, exiled, and yet more klingon, honourable and honest than any other klingon
I always found it stupid that they didn't simply beam people direct to Sick Bay like they do from a planet surface or another ship.
Beyond that I find it weird how people who are still kinda clinging to life, aren't able to be revived with 24th century tech after they expire. Organ damage? Artificial organs are available. Blood loss? They should have a blood bank on board. Don't they have full life support systems? There should be several minutes to work on the body before brain death sets in, they could even artificially oxygenate the brain directly while repairing the other damage. I just expect better given the level of technology we see.
I found it stupid that the Federation found no need to protect their own ambassador.
@@softy8088 Remember the episode where Worf died after a surgery on this spinal cord - he was dead for several minutes and suddenly came back due his duplicate organs.
@@HelenaRG71 remember that Keh'lyr is a half-Klingon. Might be some missing adaptations due to the human genetics.
Almost like it's a tv show
The actor playing Alexander in this (this is not the Alexander actor from later seasons) died recently.
Indeed. Same with Aron Eisenberg. Several early deaths from ST recently.
Crusher says she looked at the dynoscans. There is only two times I've heard that word used. Another TNG episode by Geordi and the first time way back in Star Trek II by Chekov when the Reliant detects life on Ceti Alpha V and says they detected something on one dynoscanner. TNG could really pay attention to canon sometimes.
Why would they have a device just to check for dynosaurs?
@@RandomAmerican3000 And here is your answer: ua-cam.com/video/OjuptfaTqyo/v-deo.html
@@josephmassaro Fair point.
dynoscans detect low-level molecular activity
FFS why do they always kill off the best female characters? We're stuck with Troy and her mom
She wasn't banging Gene, she had to go 😂
😂😂😂😂
A Klingon doesn't cry, he ROARS!!!!
Full blooded Klingons have no tear ducts.
@@BrotherDerrick3X Also true!
Nice Gargoyles reference.
Now I can't stop imagining Keith David dressed up as a Klingon himself. He would fit the role so well!
K'ehlyr is the beautiful Klingon maiden.
At least half Klingons have better teeth. But maybe she also died being only half Klingon as they often survive fatal insuries due their duplicate organs?
For me this was one of the most powerful STNG episodes.
I just wanna point out that the actress moves her eyes and eyelids a lot starting at 4:12 or so when she's laid down on the floor.
It’s almost as if the actress wasn’t really dead.
The lost of K'Ehleyr stroke a cord with me . Many thanks !!!
I love Star Trek the Next Generation.
I was pretty disappointed that they killed her character off. I understand why they did it but I would have wanted far more screen time with her in both TNG and hopefully in DS9. Suzie Plankson(sp?) did a fantastic job.
Plakson.
Things Worf did right - Avenging K'Ehlyer's murder by killing Duras
Things Worf didn't do right - Fulfilling K'Ehlyer's dying wish of taking care of Alexander
He did, in the best way he knew how and the best for his child, given his life at that point. His parents were loving people who had experience raising a Klingon child.
We should have seen Counsellor Troi on the bridge looking pained and calling security to K'Ehleyr's quarters. If she could sense Rogar Danar having a mere nightmare in The Hunted as she casually walked through the corridor, she should have sensed Duras' murderous temper flaring up and K'Ehleyr's reaction, esp given the fact that during K'Ehleyr's last visit, Troi sensed her anger when she shattered the table in her quarters. Inconsistent writing strikes again.
I am surprised there wasn't a scene like that in the episode
Yeah, they *really* underutilize Troi's abilities and the implications of Betazoid telepathy. Like, even for a half-Betazoid like Troi, her empathic awareness is *ship-to-ship* dammit! That is a range of *kilometers* at the very least, possibly hundreds! Not only should she almost never be taken by surprise by hostile sapients (with the notable exception of the Borg, helping to sell the horror aspect inherent to their portrayal), life on the Enterprise for her should be a microcosm of what Tam Elbrun experiences - not to the level of being debilitating and mentally scarring, no, but definitely uncomfortable for a *number* of reasons, *all* of which are connected to there being over a thousand people onboard! xD
Honestly, thinking about it now, "The Loss" really should have explored Troi's situation from the opposite angle - how not having her empathic abilities doesn't make her "useless," but actually *improves* her quality of life *and* the quality of her work as ship's counselor while *still* being incredibly disorienting, which would have been a much better dichotomy to explore than what we got. As it stands, the episode just kinda makes her look incompetent without her abilities, and I just hate to see one of my favorite TNG characters being let down by the writing so consistently until the later seasons. =(
Klingon custody battles are INTENSE!
I always hated this scene, yet respected the scene, too gut wrenching yet true to life. There was a murder in my home town a little over a year ago of a mother when the child was present. I felt really bad for this kid, yet at the same time he is going experienced a situation, as hard as it is to experience, something that I much older than he has not.l and I have no words for him if I was to meet him to comfort him. An experience he will at some point, if he lives honorably, drawl wisdom from. Wisdom which I would not have, at least in the way he has.
"Look and always remember." These are the words spoken by real Klingons, even after someone important to them, a friend or family member, has died.
Man, seeing Worf's sufferage just breaks me every time.
Suffering. Sufferage is the ability to vote.
She was such a great character. I hate that they killed her off.
"WHO'S GONNA WATCH MY KID NOW?!!!!!!"-Worf
She was pretty dumb not to call for security.....let's just talk to this guy who I have been researching and seems to be capable of murder. Nice.
I would not like to be Duras when Worf pays him a visit.
A beautiful Klingon indeed
😠 "Someone's going to pay for taking the beans!" 😆
Still waiting for a Captain Worf TV show where he commands a federation starship.
Duras has a can of whoopass incoming.
This is truly one of the darkest moments in TNG. A little boy looking at the body of his murdered mother. That is so beyond horrifying.......
She is a Klingon supermodel...that makes human versions jealous.
I want you to be a family. Abandon kid for 8 years
Slowest…..medical…….response……time…………EVER!
K'Ehlyr's heart was the best of both Klingon and human. We don't see how many good hits she may have landed before Duras got the better of her...but she looked her enemy firmly in the face and died the Klingon way, with honor.
Ooo, that Duras... what a p'tahk...
Worf talks in a human voice, then as soon as he and Alexander see K'Ehleyr dying, he immediately speaks in a Klingon accent.
Doctor Crusher: OH! This is not a problem, just run her through the transporter using her current mind state and her prior body pattern in the transporter buffer memory core...
It's always a friend who hates you the most.
In Stovo Kor Jadzia and her probably party
Lone Worf and Cubplah
"You have never seen... beans?"
Imagine if the Enterprise had a way to do a site to site transport in an emergency such as this....., obviously that would decrease the drama level, damn plot armor! (Poor Worf)
Man, I really loved her character. I hated that they killed her off so soon.
I always found the bloody handprint really disturbing.
I always wondered if the guy who distracted the guard had the full klingon makeup on. You never see his face at all.
She was very bold, confronting him like that. The outcome was inevitable. Was she fully aware that she would have to try and repel murder attempts? She could simply have been more discreet. This would only make sense in a martyr context, but that would willingly rob Alexander of his mother.
Maybe this was just forced-drama writing. ... Or maybe just natural societal messiness. Maybe she also wanted to use the escalation opportunity to make sure Duras would not be the next chancellor. ... But the info she had gathered should have been sufficient to make an educated decision, no?
Frankly I can't believe Duras wouldn't have gotten his ass kicked by K’ehlyar.
There was always an inconsistency with the whole medical emergency. On some shows they would transport straight to the infirmary and other the medical team shows up. This little detail bothered me.
"Look and Always Remember..."
One of the recommended videos in the end credits: "Why Would I Remember?"
Answer? Beans.
(Russell Petersen voice)
Somebody gonna get hurt real bad
Someone's going to pay for that.....DURAS!!!!!
You have never seen such beans?
Then look...and always remember.
Sadly she wasn't just playing with Fire she soaked the Matches in Gasoline.
It's one of those many that made no sense.
1) Why have one security guy (and why is their training crap?)
2) Why wouldn't the computer monitor the people you want to watch.
3) Why wouldn't the computer as a simple safety feature monitor everyone to see if they were dying from something?
4) Why wouldn't the "medical emergency" result in the immediate dematerialization of the injured by the transporter (hell, they didn't even beam in the medical team).
5) Such a basic "traumatic wound" death is generally reversible now (depends on a lot); never mind then. Based on behavior, she wasn't even dead, just unconscious from blood loss. Death would be (for a human) at least 4 min away.
6) What kind of idiot doesn't make sure the person he is killing to silence is actually dead?
7) Why didn't she call for help? The computer takes voice commands.
Her death is still hurtful to this day.
Her heart was in the right place but she was messing with her own Klingon race of rogues who were willing to take her out because she got to close to the truth.
When worf......steps on to Duras ship...you can feel....that worf ....was gonna kill him....one way or another.....he was not coming back...until the deed was done....go Worf....son of...😡😱😵 mough
4:17 she opened her eyes, she's not dead yet Worf.
The House of Beans!!!
It was one thing to rob Worf of his family's honor, but Duras went one step too far in murdering K'Ehleyr in cold blood, all so he could keep the truth of his treachery hidden. He had made things personal for the son of Mogh, and it would come back to haunt the petaq in the next scene.
Something that always bothered me was, Worf called out a medical emergency... why didn't a medical team do an immediate site to site transport? I know it was needed for the story to proceed, but other than plot armor, why?
Thanks for his failed chief security measures
Josh and Alex are gonna flip
K'Ehley is fucking smokin' hawt !!! 💓💓💓
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Duras is basically the Pre Vizsla of the Klingons.
A vizsla like the dog?
@@stratfordbaby Well, no. It's a villian from Star Wars: The Clone Wars. The leader of the Mandalorian terrorist group known as Death Watch.
i) Why did she let him in?
ii) Why did she not call Security?
iii) Doesn't the Enterprise have sensors that detect if anyone's life signs suddenly plunge, and beam them to sickbay? She lay there stabbed for 30 minutes, ON the Enterprise itself.
All the evidence pointed to Duras but it was never explicitly stated, so I wonder if this could've been a contrived plot against him
How many doors to those quarters are there?
Why was there no security outside of her quarters?