Exactly bro, you cant really compare a “fluffy” looking Ramy to a bone dry Dorian..(with all the respect to Ramy though for his achievement). Dorian is just in a different league in terms of size and conditioning.
@@armenakbalasanov9074 what are you talking about in terms of size?? Big Ramy is much bigger then Dorian.. Dorian is dryer yeah but if you go watch pictures of Big Ramy in 1080p you will see he looks much better then what you would think but it close between these two giants but Ramy could easily have won if they would have stood right by each other because Ramy would just out muscle Dorian but Dorian could also win it no doubt
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Also, Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ahlawy Masry - Someone has a dog in this fight. 😂 Rami is not in Dorians league. Arguing about the lighting and quality of photography to try to win the argument demonstrates that you are grasping at straws.
Dorian's strongest aspect to my eyes is his transitions: His muscles look like fresh, grainy cement, flowing under a transparent film. Even Ronnie didn't equal that quality, and the guys who came close were much smaller..
Dorian did a guest pose at my leisure centre in 93. I had just seen Jurassic Park and he was like a Trex walking towards you when you saw him. You just didn't think it was possible for a human to have so much muscle on a body.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
This is a minority opinion but I LOVE Dorian's legs. My eyes are always drawn to his legs on the front poses. His legs are beautifully balanced and not overpowered by his adductors. His vastus medialis, rectus femoris and vastus lateralis are just perfect, set off with maybe the greatest calves ever.
not saying Dorian wasn't more shredded than ramy but watching this makes me think that the lighting at the Olympia back in the day was way better for showing off how shredded they are.
@@liam3104 it was, the backdrop helped immensely. However, Dorian was shredded out of his mind at every single show, no matter the back drop, no matter the lighting. You won't find a single show where he competed where he didn't look mind boggling. The only difference was he was even more mind boggling when the lighting and the back drop was better.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
90s, when the physique used to be 1080p and the picture quality 240p. If Dorian was pictured today with that physique he would've taken Ramy to school.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Ramy shatters Dorian in the side poses, and the front double, and the back lat spread is a debatable one bc of how huge ramy is. I don’t think these pictures give ramy credit. It’s insane how huge he is he’d make Dorian look like a shrimp. Even though Dorian has better conditioning, and not even by a huge margin, ramy just absolutely dwarfs him.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
@@musclehead2680 better lightning in old 90s videos? Compared to 2020 HD 4K? Come on the pictures don't do Dorians physique justice. If you saw dorian in person like me and my brother back in 93 and 94 he was jaw dropping
The problem with mr. elssbiay are his unescapable structural flaws, that is the ratio between waist width and quads lenghts and girth - in particular the external sweep of the vastus lateralis - is totally wrong, so that the upper body seems to compress down all the rest and that ruins any resemblance of x-flow. Since he's so overwhelming big, and since the quality of the contenders - aside from shawn rhoden - is lacking, there is the concrete risk next few years the sport will be freezed and screwed up in a self-damaging limbo, and I fear the main culprit is the huge arabic market which mr. olympia management has targeted to increase overall related business to detriment of the essence of bb. I also have the suspect that some new type of gears, different from the '90 stacks, is responsible for the worsening of athletes look.
As usual, the PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward, & leftward/rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
.... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
i dont know man. there's just something about Dorian's overall look. on certain poses he may be lacking, side chest, back double bicep, abs and thigh, must muscular, but his relaxed pose and front lat spread are just out of this world.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) @@@@@@@ Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Dorian always said he didn’t go as big because he focused on getting as lean as possible. I’d like to see what Dorian would’ve looked like if he went all out.
You had the black and white pictures of Yates 6 or 8 weeks out in 1993 when he was 270 iirc. Dry and hard and comparable in fullness and size to anyone since, drier and harder even that far out. He admitted he over dieted to get that super conditioning. Last year (1997) he was too watery due to insulin use (causes kidneys to retain sodium), why most of the guys today look like they do - ripped but watery/smooth.
@@davidthomson2794 it's not because of insulin, it was water retention due to his tricep tearing and stress, coupled with internal bleeding and him having to go to the hospital also just weeks out from Mr. Olympia. That truly did him in, much more than insulin ever could. But yes, Dorian did say that any pound of "muscle" he put on that year wasn't quality muscle and that he regrets having used Insulin, it did nothing for him
Disagree, if his legs were smaller I believe his waist would look wider. I could be wrong but I just don’t see how his waist wouldn’t look massive if he didn’t have those insane quads.
@@megaman7954 rolley winklar brought his waist down a lot without. I think he deserved there win don't get me wrong, but everyone now will play the size game and the guts will come back. And I'm telling you the focus will shift to classic because the guys look so good. It's clearly the future.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Jay in an interview said that Dorian's legs were not done justice in the pictures, they were huge up close. He just preferred to pose with his knees straight and his feet parallel, taking away from his quad sweep and glutes. I think that if he would pose the way the pros do it now, his legs would look a lot bigger. Still not as big as Ramy's, but they would compare better for sure.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) .. N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Well I’m from Birmingham his home town in UK. I went to his gym way before he competed at the Mr Olympia. I never forget when seeing him in the flesh on a training day. It was scary as hell. It was the kinda moment you don’t train you watch. Then leaving the gym disorientated like what kind of craziness did I just witness. That’s the level of hardcore HIT Dorian brought to Bodybuilding. 45 min of blood sweat with lifting weights only gods can lift lol. The nicest part about Dorian Yates was meeting him in my local grocery store. He said hello to me and I was shocked because I knew his X wife Debbie but didn’t know he was her husband lol. Small world
It's obviously true that Dorian was simply just more conditioned, but you can't forget that the lighting is way different in those two shows. Look at the depth and intensity of the shadows. That makes an even bigger difference because it allows you to put on way more oil without whitewashing your lines. Gives way brighter brights and way darker darks.
@@ExternusArmy lmao what’s your story man? The username and the pic gave me a good chuckle and now I’m curious. Are you a bodybuilder? Hope I don’t sound sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious
@@ExternusArmy now let's compare the quality of the pictures and the technology Dorian's photos were taken with to modern day technology, modern day cameras. Not even close, we can definitely see more detail today than in those pathetic low quality photos from the early 90s.
@@briani50 haha no offense taken at all! I used to be an animator before I quit and decided to go to medical school. I privatized all my animations and changed the name so it couldn’t be traced back to me in real life (mostly just bc of typical internet shenanigans). I’m not a bodybuilder, just a fan of the sport, but I do powerlifting. I’m competing again soon hoping to take a state record in the bench press.
No one yet has got that granite look Dorian had back then. The thing with Dorian Yates is when he flexes his poses it’s like turning on the power grid to maximum. Big Ramy is so big though. Like he took mass to the next level. I think his legs are way too big personally.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
I dont know why everybody is a big ramy fan now. he didn´t diat enough in my opinion. no chrismastree, even no strips in the chest. no strips in the trizeps... I meen yes he has big muscels but... wtf he didn deserv all the fame because he didnt bring it on stage. he should hace diat more so he could get at least 1% bodyfat down more i am from germany. hope anyone can understand my english
@@Pravinkumar-zv7ww What? Nick never gave Ramy a chance, even until midway through prejudging, when the judges put him to the center. Yeah, he was literally watching the show and not considering him in the conversation until that point.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ramy has got to have the most unpleasant looking body (visually) to win an Olympia! He has zero lines/flow. Quads dwarf his calves.....front lat spread looks ridiculously bad. He is just a mess of body parts imo. I know that will piss off all the Big Ramy fans.....but people say that Dorian looked blocky and unpleasant.....but he is a Greek God compared to Ramy!
Yeah, and as huge as Ramy's arms are - they are too small compared to his torso, and thighs. His thighs are too big, and have poor upper separation. Calves?? Forget it!! He looks like a fridge with a head stuck on it. Having said all that, he still deserved to win as Phil was smaller and smoother than ever, and Brandon was a bit off as well.
Ramy - wide waist, huge butt, alien gigantic quads, relatively small calves ... the exact opposite of the ancient greek aesthetics. Dorian '93 with his "sporty" agile legs, wide lats and perfect V-taper is on another level. Imagine statues made after these two. Dorian already looks like a perfect one. But Ramy? His statue would look quite grotesque.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
@@NikSK99 Twice as big does not mean twice better. And bodybuilding is supposed to be about proportions, like having a good upper legs/calves ratio. And almost everything in bbing is about genetics, structure, muscle insertions, response to drugs... So calves should be judged, just like another bodypart.
@@NikSK99 size with no class. A blob of muscle with no cuts, no definition or shape. Look at his outer sweep, wonky and ugly looking. Just compare Dorian's leg separation to Ramy's, ramy looks 10 weeks out with pathetic smooth and watery skin. No veins whatsoever either.
Ramy has half developed back and half developed legs...I mean his front quads have like no separation ...its jst big...and if it was big bcz of hard work it would have striations and separation but it's all meds
The pictures don't do him justice. There are no HD pictures of him. Those who saw him in the flesh can attest that Dorian's conditioning was LEAGUES ahead of Ramy's and his back is so much thicker/deeper. Dorian's early 90s legs and short pecs mean Ramy will get him in a couple of poses but overall Dorian would walk this.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
I think that version may even be more favorable to Dorian, the lighting at that show was insane, it really showcased the superiority in conditioning. The photo album is better as well, you can find better photos
As usual, the PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward/downward & leftward/rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
No contest on conditioning, and this is difference between the golden era of the 90s and now. Current guys are as big but not as conditioned, no where near.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) N.B. 👇 Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ramy's legs look terrible. Dented lateralis, washed out sartorius, no rectus femoris, disproportional ... Shouldn't be rewarded in any way. Dorian has deep cuts, everything visible, and calves. Landslide absolutely destroying Ramy by my standards
@@stephencurran2284 yes but he doesn’t need to touch his other hand behind his back to hit the pose, he simply needs to display his tricep by fully extending his arm.
@@sun0never0sets you do know you have to hold your wrist further away from your body to hit a fully flexed side tricep? if youre not gripping your wrist its not a side tricep, doesnt marx call it a hoo haa pose, roelly has the same problem. its a mobility issue that comes with ridiculous size
@@stephencurran2284 sure, the logic behind it is by moving your arm furthest away from your body (backward) you flex the long head, of the tricep but he isn't doing this, he isn't even fully extending vertically thereby not even flexing the other two heads, maybe he should switch to the hoo haa pose if he's too wide to flex, I mean it's a pose to show your tricep not to show if you can hold your hands behind your back.
@@sun0never0sets he isnt able to hold his wrist when fully extending. He does hit the hoo haa by the way, it looks nuts. and his side tricep is still probably the best on that stage taking the whole physique into account. Theyre working on hi mobility im confident hell be able to for next year
Thanks for the upload, you are a legend boss I have great respect for big Ramy and happy for him that he deservedly won the Olympia finally. But the great Yates is a different beast, just bear in mind that he competed almost 25 years ago, his greatest asset was his mindset and meticulous approach. The commitment, dedication, hard work and mentality he had paid dividends.....one of the best to ever win the Olympia.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 ... Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Not a huge Dorian Yates fan, but this is not close. Big Ramy is destroyed in every one of these comparison shots. As you pointed out, structure counts in bodybuilding... and Big Ramy’s is terrible. His weaknesses are everywhere ... underdeveloped forearms, calves, and lower back ... wide hips ... totally unbalanced leg development (weak in the upper thigh area, overdeveloped in the quadriceps). Honestly, I don’t believe he would not have cracked the top five in the 90’s, against Yates and company. And he would have zero chance against Lee Haney.
Why do you keep getting so excited about how big ramys legs are. If there is no muscle seperation there not good and ramy lacks a lot of that. Dorian yates muscle seperation wins him every pose. And you keep comparing size. Of course these recent guys are fonna be bigger. You should compare based on how they are relative to their era.
Compare them to their era? Lol no I know you don’t realize but my that metric you wouldn’t mark Ramy down much for conditioning because conditioning is worse today
@@V1rtualspartan Conditioning isn't as much worse as you're making it out to be. Flex Wheeler came in conditioned about 2 times in his entire career, and Nasser was conditioned once in 1997. They never had consistency, and from the rear the 90's guys usually looked soft.
Yes that's what I was thinking yates is more conditioned but I don't think it wouldn't of been enough to beat ramy he is just so much bigger than everyone.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Are you sure... if Brandon had have been a little bigger with a touch more size to his legs he would have won this, Rhoden has also beat him, both these guys are smaller and softer than Yatesy
Also .... Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Dorian used the heavy duty system - one heavy set to failure and only 2 to 3 exercises per body part.... 4 way split hitting each muscle group once per week - which gave his muscles that dense superiority over fellow competitors of his era. It is evident from the photos to some degree but apparently in person the judges were blown away by this granite hardness to his muscles. Unfortunately there is a risk to this style of training and Yates paid the price with some career ending injuries. In hindsight he mentioned he probably should have lightened his pre contest poundage to hit failure in the 8 to 10 range.
In my opinion, having bigger quads isn’t always a better thing, espetially when you consider symmetry and proportion. Nonetheless, both are great in their own rights.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) .. N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 what does this have to do with big Lenny ... you should be making a separate comment on your own. How dare you discuss anything but bit Lenny here🤬
It's hard for most people to be compared against Dorian Yates when he was at his best that's the reason of why he's a legend in bodybuilding as we all know the 90s was the best era and he (Dorian) was the best in that era full stop
@@scottw3780 I agree, side chest is his best pose whereas Dorian was never particularly great in it. That's THE ONLY pose Ramy gets an assured point in.
@@dj_m19 yeh, Yates worst shots were front double bi and side chest, every other shot was almost perfect and hit perfectly every time. Ramy side chest would stand up to anyone, I can’t think of anyone who could beat him if judged honestly
yep, the only reason his 93 version is more praised is because of the bicep tear. Other than that the '95 version is superior in pretty much every aspect
@@mattbudesa3038 21.5 inch arms, certainly not tiny. His triceps were great, the horseshoe in particular. Ramy's arms may be bigger in overall size, but the quality of the muscle or separation simply isn't there. Pathetic.
I am a minute and a half in and the commentator just said what a match up concerning front double biceps and that Dorian "may" have the edge on calves. WTF is this guy seeing? IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Dorian wins every pose, every body part. And if they were doing rear lat spread side by side, you would hear the crowd laughing at Ramy's lack of Christmas tree and calves that were recently featured on America's Most Wanted. Dorian is as dry as the Saharan desert, and way better separation. The sport has gone down the tubes. THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT!!!
You're comparing 1993 to 2020. You forget the drug profiles available then vs now. Dorian is a better bodybuilder hands down. Even skeletal structures are different considering Dorian started as a ectomorph. Also note the hamstring difference. And muscle quality
Ramy’s quads totally overpower his calves, Dorian has better proportions and he’s super shredded. Ramy has done well though, I’m glad he won the Olympia
Need to remember, all of Ramy’s pictures here are from just ONE show, but all of the pictures of Dorian are the very best ones picked from his entire career. If you were to put Ramy on a stage next to Dorian he would outsize him, just like he did with Phil & Brandon. It would be close but I still think Ramy would win.
The pics are of Ramy at his very best and in current 1080p image technology(that Dorian didn't have). For fun, imagine this taking a giant crap on Ramy on the same stage, lol: ua-cam.com/video/sWwIJA_VIpU/v-deo.html
Dorians conditioning is on another level. Even in the legs department, OK, the width wasn't as wide, but they look better from a perspective of the striations.
I think Ramys trainer thought well he has big legs lets try to get them like Tom Platz but the golden eagle had the best dame legs all dat long! Tear drop for days imagine them on Yates with Arnolds upper chest!
Shape, structure and conditioning are factors in judging man, if it was all about sheer size we’d had all different Olympia winners, not sure how you can’t see that. Dorian makes Ramy look like he’s still amateur level in most categories.
@@robk5745 How? Ramy’s structure is objectively better. Wider clavicals, thicker bones (as is more obvious if u see before and afters for both bodybuilders), and his torso and legs are proportionately long. As for flow, Ramy has quads as wide as his waist and lats that are twice as wide while also tapering into his waist. Both are equally symmetrical in general and dorian probably wins on conditioning, but he’s also wearing much more oil and is holding significantly less mass. So ramy wins on structure, flow, size, and tied for symmetry. If you want to give the more conditioned athlete the win then you might as well remove the word building from bodybuilding. Dorian’s success in this matchup is mainly to preserve his legacy and down to pure nostalgia.
@@NoName-ff6jz bro you are delusional, 90% of what you just said is pure bullshit. Ramy's lats are twice as wide? In what universe my guy, what universe?
@@NoName-ff6jz I disagree with almost everything you say here. I don’t think you understand what flow and symmetry is at all, because Ramy has very little of it.
I have Dorian winning..Wow 27 years later.. imagine fast forward tech 27 years for Dorian with his will.. if not missing a meal from 83 to 97.. I love our big ramy but just imagine how dorian or Ronnie will be with all this advanced edge.. nuff respect
No way is dorian beating ramy man. He's more conditioned for sure but his size compared to ramy is just too much imo Side chest, abs and thigh, front double bicep, most muscular easily go to ramy
i really did not like ramy that much, i think it's crazy how the level of mr. olympia declined in comparison to the early 2000s and earlier. of course he looks crazy, but nothing compared to jay, dorian, ronnie and so on. he looked good enough to win, but not good enough to remind me of him forever.
The lighting is so much better in Dorian’s pictures. Overhead lighting always seems like it makes the muscles pop more and shows more striation and muscle detail.
Nice comparison. Dorian wins by a mile, better conditioning and a much more complete physique, with his only real weakness in this comparison being his biceps. Big Ramy has too many relatively weak bodyparts, the calves, the back especially lower back and lat area, the midsection is too blocky, and to be honest his outer quads whilst amazing are actually overdeveloped which throws off his overall symmetry. The one thing big Ramy has in his favour is more overall size, but the conditioning is not on the same level. It would be interesting to see a comparison of Dorian 6 weeks out (the famous black and white photo shoot) versus this version of Ramy. The weights in that comparison would be much closer, although Dorians conditioning would be marginally worse than his eventual contest shape.
Dorian looks far better almost from every angle and in almost every pose. On the plus side, the guy has very good calves and forearms, which most of today's top bodybuilders don't!
Ramy 2020 vs 2009 Jay Cutler
Yes!!!
I don’t think it would be a fair competition tbh
@@pkway9394 I agree but only one way to find out for sure.
@@pkway9394 ya mean either I’m just curious, and you never saw them stand side by side in there prime that’s what it’s all about.
Yes
Dorian looks like he is carved out of stone... It's just muscle and skin.
Exactly bro, you cant really compare a “fluffy” looking Ramy to a bone dry Dorian..(with all the respect to Ramy though for his achievement). Dorian is just in a different league in terms of size and conditioning.
@@armenakbalasanov9074 what are you talking about in terms of size?? Big Ramy is much bigger then Dorian.. Dorian is dryer yeah but if you go watch pictures of Big Ramy in 1080p you will see he looks much better then what you would think but it close between these two giants but Ramy could easily have won if they would have stood right by each other because Ramy would just out muscle Dorian but Dorian could also win it no doubt
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Also, Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ahlawy Masry - Someone has a dog in this fight. 😂
Rami is not in Dorians league. Arguing about the lighting and quality of photography to try to win the argument demonstrates that you are grasping at straws.
Imagine ramy with dorian's conditioning
wow...
The end of the world is coming
that whould be scary!
yeah, it's ronnie coleman.
And Dorian's calves
Dorian's strongest aspect to my eyes is his transitions: His muscles look like fresh, grainy cement, flowing under a transparent film. Even Ronnie didn't equal that quality, and the guys who came close were much smaller..
Big Ramy’s quads are bigger but they don’t look good
They look terrible
@@chadwick9053 look like tumors...also the upper inside of his thighs have no separation at all compared to dorian
Ramy's are bigger but they aren't cut ans dry like dorian's. And ramy's calves can't touch dorian's.
Agree.
Dorian did a guest pose at my leisure centre in 93. I had just seen Jurassic Park and he was like a Trex walking towards you when you saw him. You just didn't think it was possible for a human to have so much muscle on a body.
Did you manage to talk to him?
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 What? Dorian is 3-4cm taller then Ramy.
This is a minority opinion but I LOVE Dorian's legs. My eyes are always drawn to his legs on the front poses. His legs are beautifully balanced and not overpowered by his adductors. His vastus medialis, rectus femoris and vastus lateralis are just perfect, set off with maybe the greatest calves ever.
It’s just crazy how shredded Dorian was !
not saying Dorian wasn't more shredded than ramy but watching this makes me think that the lighting at the Olympia back in the day was way better for showing off how shredded they are.
@@liam3104 it was, the backdrop helped immensely. However, Dorian was shredded out of his mind at every single show, no matter the back drop, no matter the lighting.
You won't find a single show where he competed where he didn't look mind boggling. The only difference was he was even more mind boggling when the lighting and the back drop was better.
Hands down Dorian any given saturday.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 ramys shape is shit and Dorian didn't even have great structure. Dorian is still better.
90s, when the physique used to be 1080p and the picture quality 240p. If Dorian was pictured today with that physique he would've taken Ramy to school.
Nah
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Yeah Dorian would have walked all over everyone at the 2020 Olympia
How high are you
Not even close- Dorian Yates by miles.
Idiotic
Nah you’re insane
Ramy shatters Dorian in the side poses, and the front double, and the back lat spread is a debatable one bc of how huge ramy is. I don’t think these pictures give ramy credit. It’s insane how huge he is he’d make Dorian look like a shrimp. Even though Dorian has better conditioning, and not even by a huge margin, ramy just absolutely dwarfs him.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Dorian all day, every day. He's the perfect combination of classic physique and mass monster.
Not even close. Dorian is in another class.
Dorian stan
now atleast ;)
It’s closer than you think. Ramy dwarfs Dorian and the conditioning isn’t super far off from dorians.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Hight & Width are Numbers ..... And Numbers Talk ....... Checkout my previous comment to understand 😊👍
I really dont like Ramy’s legs from the front, they simply dont have proper shape, from the side they look insane
Not his best shots ... Also 👇
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
@@ahlawymasry8743 4 millimeter taller? Lol
I've always wondered if he used synthol on his legs. The shape is very odd.
@@DruiD.aprime I dunno, very odd.
Maybe they look better in person
I love Big Ramy, but his physique looks clumsy compared to Dorians.
Dorian just had better lighting tbh
@@musclehead2680 better lightning in old 90s videos? Compared to 2020 HD 4K? Come on the pictures don't do Dorians physique justice. If you saw dorian in person like me and my brother back in 93 and 94 he was jaw dropping
@@TheCountDook wow you were so luck bro.. you witnessed such an incredibly moment in history ❤️
Its all about lightning... Dorian tym have much better lightning compared to current Olympia
The problem with mr. elssbiay are his unescapable structural flaws, that is the ratio between waist width and quads lenghts and girth - in particular the external sweep of the vastus lateralis - is totally wrong, so that the upper body seems to compress down all the rest and that ruins any resemblance of x-flow. Since he's so overwhelming big, and since the quality of the contenders - aside from shawn rhoden - is lacking, there is the concrete risk next few years the sport will be freezed and screwed up in a self-damaging limbo, and I fear the main culprit is the huge arabic market which mr. olympia management has targeted to increase overall related business to detriment of the essence of bb. I also have the suspect that some new type of gears, different from the '90 stacks, is responsible for the worsening of athletes look.
The conditioning on yates makes ramy look smooth as a babies bottom.
Its mostly the lightning, the tan, the oil, and the photo filters. I doubt these 2 differentiated in body fat for more then a fraction of a %.
As usual, the PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward, & leftward/rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
@TheLusianPopa I think Ramy is a much more aesthetic athlete overall. And the video is very biased. To each its own.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
.... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
i dont know man. there's just something about Dorian's overall look.
on certain poses he may be lacking, side chest, back double bicep, abs and thigh, must muscular,
but his relaxed pose and front lat spread are just out of this world.
Ramys legs are too big, I don't get why you are hyping his legs up that much, when they actually throw off the flow of his physique
Correct. Ugly, no proportions at all, he will place in the last positions. Ugly.
agreed, a blob of muscle with no flow. Proportions are way way off
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Also, these are not Ramy's best shots
He’s a Modern day tom platz. Glad Ramy won , will bring new fans to the sport , but comparing him to all time greats - nah
Ramy way bigger but I still take condition over size
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
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Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 completely talking out of your ass!
@@mariaconkerboy
Height & Width are NUMBERS ..... & Numbers TALK, Basketgate
Dorian always said he didn’t go as big because he focused on getting as lean as possible. I’d like to see what Dorian would’ve looked like if he went all out.
Like 97?with the big gut
Horrible!
@@ramboterminator4366 nah more like the 93 3 weeks out black&white pics, 97 was an experiment with insulin gone wrong
You had the black and white pictures of Yates 6 or 8 weeks out in 1993 when he was 270 iirc. Dry and hard and comparable in fullness and size to anyone since, drier and harder even that far out. He admitted he over dieted to get that super conditioning. Last year (1997) he was too watery due to insulin use (causes kidneys to retain sodium), why most of the guys today look like they do - ripped but watery/smooth.
@@davidthomson2794 it's not because of insulin, it was water retention due to his tricep tearing and stress, coupled with internal bleeding and him having to go to the hospital also just weeks out from Mr. Olympia.
That truly did him in, much more than insulin ever could. But yes, Dorian did say that any pound of "muscle" he put on that year wasn't quality muscle and that he regrets having used Insulin, it did nothing for him
Dorian was in another level when it comes to lats spread 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
before watching the video I'll just comment now and say Dorian wins condition alone all day all night
Yates looked like he was carved out of granite. Ramy looks like he was made out of melting wax. He'd be lucky to crack the top 10 in the 90s.
Big ramy legs need to come down in size. It throws off his balance and aesthetics
Disagree, if his legs were smaller I believe his waist would look wider. I could be wrong but I just don’t see how his waist wouldn’t look massive if he didn’t have those insane quads.
@@megaman7954 rolley winklar brought his waist down a lot without. I think he deserved there win don't get me wrong, but everyone now will play the size game and the guts will come back. And I'm telling you the focus will shift to classic because the guys look so good. It's clearly the future.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 I’ve met them both multiple times. They’re 5’10 man.
Jay in an interview said that Dorian's legs were not done justice in the pictures, they were huge up close. He just preferred to pose with his knees straight and his feet parallel, taking away from his quad sweep and glutes. I think that if he would pose the way the pros do it now, his legs would look a lot bigger. Still not as big as Ramy's, but they would compare better for sure.
Dorian had very long legs and also very big, with insane calves. Ray also comment about Yates having very good legs.
Hamstrings and calves for Dorian.
Glutes we don't know
This one isn’t even close. Dorians conditioning
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) .. N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 I do agree the lighting was very shitty at recent Olympias
Well I’m from Birmingham his home town in UK. I went to his gym way before he competed at the Mr Olympia. I never forget when seeing him in the flesh on a training day. It was scary as hell. It was the kinda moment you don’t train you watch. Then leaving the gym disorientated like what kind of craziness did I just witness. That’s the level of hardcore HIT Dorian brought to Bodybuilding. 45 min of blood sweat with lifting weights only gods can lift lol. The nicest part about Dorian Yates was meeting him in my local grocery store. He said hello to me and I was shocked because I knew his X wife Debbie but didn’t know he was her husband lol. Small world
Dorain. He’s so defined and thin skinned
It's obviously true that Dorian was simply just more conditioned, but you can't forget that the lighting is way different in those two shows. Look at the depth and intensity of the shadows. That makes an even bigger difference because it allows you to put on way more oil without whitewashing your lines. Gives way brighter brights and way darker darks.
@@ExternusArmy lmao what’s your story man? The username and the pic gave me a good chuckle and now I’m curious. Are you a bodybuilder? Hope I don’t sound sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious
@@ExternusArmy now let's compare the quality of the pictures and the technology Dorian's photos were taken with to modern day technology, modern day cameras. Not even close, we can definitely see more detail today than in those pathetic low quality photos from the early 90s.
@@briani50 haha no offense taken at all! I used to be an animator before I quit and decided to go to medical school. I privatized all my animations and changed the name so it couldn’t be traced back to me in real life (mostly just bc of typical internet shenanigans). I’m not a bodybuilder, just a fan of the sport, but I do powerlifting. I’m competing again soon hoping to take a state record in the bench press.
@@ExternusArmy that’s sweet man! Where can I see these animations? Good luck with med school and the bench record. Give me an update after the meet!
No one yet has got that granite look Dorian had back then. The thing with Dorian Yates is when he flexes his poses it’s like turning on the power grid to maximum. Big Ramy is so big though. Like he took mass to the next level. I think his legs are way too big personally.
Mad max it's not even close...Dorian kicks big ramy for miles.....
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Yeah Dorian trashes Ramy here
@@ahlawymasry8743 cope harder.
@@thomasmorrell2737
Give it another try
I dont know why everybody is a big ramy fan now. he didn´t diat enough in my opinion. no chrismastree, even no strips in the chest. no strips in the trizeps... I meen yes he has big muscels but... wtf he didn deserv all the fame because he didnt bring it on stage. he should hace diat more so he could get at least 1% bodyfat down more
i am from germany. hope anyone can understand my english
Because of UA-cam he's famous.
Ramys sponsors own a UA-camr and they've managed to Buzz him out.
Nick strength and power
He is the mr o after all , u have to accept it
@@Pravinkumar-zv7ww What? Nick never gave Ramy a chance, even until midway through prejudging, when the judges put him to the center. Yeah, he was literally watching the show and not considering him in the conversation until that point.
I think when Ramy overdiets his back becomes flat
Big Ramy's has nothing on his upper quads tho
Exactly lacking detail in that adductor region
Yes, bigger but somehow not better
I don’t think Ramy beats Dorian on the legs. The detail on Dorian’s legs from hip to toe!?
The mummy inside ramy legs.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Dorians legs are so much better
Not Ramy's best shots .. Also check out the comment below 👇
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ramy has got to have the most unpleasant looking body (visually) to win an Olympia! He has zero lines/flow. Quads dwarf his calves.....front lat spread looks ridiculously bad. He is just a mess of body parts imo. I know that will piss off all the Big Ramy fans.....but people say that Dorian looked blocky and unpleasant.....but he is a Greek God compared to Ramy!
Yeah, and as huge as Ramy's arms are - they are too small compared to his torso, and thighs. His thighs are too big, and have poor upper separation. Calves?? Forget it!! He looks like a fridge with a head stuck on it. Having said all that, he still deserved to win as Phil was smaller and smoother than ever, and Brandon was a bit off as well.
Jump on stage bro and let’s see your mess!
His quads have an odd shape, Synthol maybe ?
Ramy - wide waist, huge butt, alien gigantic quads, relatively small calves ... the exact opposite of the ancient greek aesthetics.
Dorian '93 with his "sporty" agile legs, wide lats and perfect V-taper is on another level.
Imagine statues made after these two. Dorian already looks like a perfect one. But Ramy? His statue would look quite grotesque.
Ramy's legs are big but there's no detail
Not his best shots ... Also 👇
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
yeah his legs look bloated and not detailed. Dorian's legs were deeply cut and striated and balanced with his physique. Dorian all day as the winner
Dorian's arms were so small that his lats were shown more
It seems like nobody has calves anymore
Ramys quads are twice the size of dorians and you complain about his calves which are mostly genetics?
@@NikSK99 Twice as big does not mean twice better. And bodybuilding is supposed to be about proportions, like having a good upper legs/calves ratio. And almost everything in bbing is about genetics, structure, muscle insertions, response to drugs... So calves should be judged, just like another bodypart.
@@NikSK99 and Ramys quads are mostly drugs!
@@NikSK99 size with no class. A blob of muscle with no cuts, no definition or shape. Look at his outer sweep, wonky and ugly looking. Just compare Dorian's leg separation to Ramy's, ramy looks 10 weeks out with pathetic smooth and watery skin. No veins whatsoever either.
@@NikSK99 Dorians legs are way longer than Ramys.
Ramy has half developed back and half developed legs...I mean his front quads have like no separation ...its jst big...and if it was big bcz of hard work it would have striations and separation but it's all meds
The pictures don't do him justice. There are no HD pictures of him. Those who saw him in the flesh can attest that Dorian's conditioning was LEAGUES ahead of Ramy's and his back is so much thicker/deeper. Dorian's early 90s legs and short pecs mean Ramy will get him in a couple of poses but overall Dorian would walk this.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Dorian Yates 1996 German Grand Prix vs Big Ramy 2020 Olympia would be an amazing matchup!
I think that version may even be more favorable to Dorian, the lighting at that show was insane, it really showcased the superiority in conditioning. The photo album is better as well, you can find better photos
Dorian looks like a statue. Insane really
not even close....Dorian smokes him all day...back lat spread game over!!!
As usual, the PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward/downward & leftward/rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
@@ahlawymasry8743 Copying and pasting a response is just embarrasing. no need to be a fanboy only because he were born in the same country as you.
No contest on conditioning, and this is difference between the golden era of the 90s and now. Current guys are as big but not as conditioned, no where near.
Idk if u could merely say as big, they are mostly bigger now. Just look at this comparison
@@coreyscolaro288 take Ramy out of the Mr. O 2020 lineup and who else had the mass + grainy conditioning of Dorian in his prime?
@@coreyscolaro288 Ramy has to drop at least 30 pds(about 15 kg) to have similar look as Dorian had.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👇
Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@sneakyfoz3692 I mean phil heath in his prime would've destroyed Dorian, wouldn't even been close.
Ramy's legs look terrible. Dented lateralis, washed out sartorius, no rectus femoris, disproportional ... Shouldn't be rewarded in any way.
Dorian has deep cuts, everything visible, and calves. Landslide absolutely destroying Ramy by my standards
Here's a fun one:
2002 Markus Ruhl vs 2020 Big Ramy
I like this one.
Thanks for all the videos Marx you're literally pumping these videos out and we appreciate these comparisons
Dorian smoke's ramy in just about every pose better shape & condition
Ramy's quads were still too big this year.
Yates had better overall symmetry and of course, conditioning.
Big Ramy doesn't know how to properly display his tricep, he doesn't fully down-extend his arm, resulting in a relaxed tricep.
It’s not that he doesn’t know how to, his back is so wide that he can’t reach around with his other arm to flex it against
@@stephencurran2284 yes but he doesn’t need to touch his other hand behind his back to hit the pose, he simply needs to display his tricep by fully extending his arm.
@@sun0never0sets you do know you have to hold your wrist further away from your body to hit a fully flexed side tricep? if youre not gripping your wrist its not a side tricep, doesnt marx call it a hoo haa pose, roelly has the same problem. its a mobility issue that comes with ridiculous size
@@stephencurran2284 sure, the logic behind it is by moving your arm furthest away from your body (backward) you flex the long head, of the tricep but he isn't doing this, he isn't even fully extending vertically thereby not even flexing the other two heads, maybe he should switch to the hoo haa pose if he's too wide to flex, I mean it's a pose to show your tricep not to show if you can hold your hands behind your back.
@@sun0never0sets he isnt able to hold his wrist when fully extending. He does hit the hoo haa by the way, it looks nuts. and his side tricep is still probably the best on that stage taking the whole physique into account. Theyre working on hi mobility im confident hell be able to for next year
Thanks for the upload, you are a legend boss
I have great respect for big Ramy and happy for him that he deservedly won the Olympia finally.
But the great Yates is a different beast, just bear in mind that he competed almost 25 years ago, his greatest asset was his mindset and meticulous approach.
The commitment, dedication, hard work and mentality he had paid dividends.....one of the best to ever win the Olympia.
93 and before Yates is very aesthetic. It gets rough after that but damn he got big
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
N.B. 👉 ... Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Call me crazy but Ramys quads look too big, they make his upper body look small even though its not.
Not a huge Dorian Yates fan, but this is not close. Big Ramy is destroyed in every one of these comparison shots. As you pointed out, structure counts in bodybuilding... and Big Ramy’s is terrible. His weaknesses are everywhere ... underdeveloped forearms, calves, and lower back ... wide hips ... totally unbalanced leg development (weak in the upper thigh area, overdeveloped in the quadriceps). Honestly, I don’t believe he would not have cracked the top five in the 90’s, against Yates and company. And he would have zero chance against Lee Haney.
Why do you keep getting so excited about how big ramys legs are. If there is no muscle seperation there not good and ramy lacks a lot of that. Dorian yates muscle seperation wins him every pose. And you keep comparing size. Of course these recent guys are fonna be bigger. You should compare based on how they are relative to their era.
Compare them to their era? Lol no I know you don’t realize but my that metric you wouldn’t mark Ramy down much for conditioning because conditioning is worse today
Agreed...ramy has no muscle separation in his upper inner thighs for some reason and his leg sweeps look almost deformed they are that big
@@V1rtualspartan Conditioning isn't as much worse as you're making it out to be. Flex Wheeler came in conditioned about 2 times in his entire career, and Nasser was conditioned once in 1997. They never had consistency, and from the rear the 90's guys usually looked soft.
@@laurikotivuori1585 exactly, everybody just believes the fairy tales of 90 bb.
Fdd Dff no fairytales mate. There’s footage of how elite they were. Even tenth place in the 90s Olympia would easily beat Tammy and others today
By today's judging standards I think ramy could've won this. He just dwarfs droian in so many shots
Yes that's what I was thinking yates is more conditioned but I don't think it wouldn't of been enough to beat ramy he is just so much bigger than everyone.
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics)
Are you sure... if Brandon had have been a little bigger with a touch more size to his legs he would have won this, Rhoden has also beat him, both these guys are smaller and softer than Yatesy
Also .... Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
Ramy's conditioning is no where close. Dorian wins side tri, front lat, and all back shots. Dorian would have won 2020 hands down.
Dorian used the heavy duty system - one heavy set to failure and only 2 to 3 exercises per body part.... 4 way split hitting each muscle group once per week - which gave his muscles that dense superiority over fellow competitors of his era. It is evident from the photos to some degree but apparently in person the judges were blown away by this granite hardness to his muscles. Unfortunately there is a risk to this style of training and Yates paid the price with some career ending injuries. In hindsight he mentioned he probably should have lightened his pre contest poundage to hit failure in the 8 to 10 range.
The ab and thigh really shows the difference in conditioning from the 90s as compared to today.
I love the way you're dramatic tone changes while your describing line ups, love your channel dude, love piece n respect from Glasgow Scotland!!!
It's not even close. Yates smoked Ramy (I'm a Ramy fan too, dont get twisted).
Smoked? That's a huge exaggeration.
Yates definitely beats ramy
LOL so are you really saying that if dorain stood next to ramy in 2020 he would win!!! xDDD
I'm not hating on Ramy whatsoever times are different.The Ramy you see here would be seven-tenth dare I say it "back in the 90s"
All the congratulations Ramy deserves he won hands down, but against Dorian here
In my opinion, having bigger quads isn’t always a better thing, espetially when you consider symmetry and proportion.
Nonetheless, both are great in their own rights.
Do George Peterson vs Big Lenny .
They look alike 😅
😂😂
Or Jordan Peterson vs. Big Lenny
The PICTURES are MANIPULATED .... Ramy is 4 millimeters taller than Dorian in reality, & much wider, YET he is shorter and thinner than Dorian in the poses (starting from the 3rd shot whereby the manipulation started to get bolder) .. That's why the frames are not equally sized as Dorian's Frames are much higher & wider .... This is done by stretching out Dorian's Frames from the center (upward ⬆️ & leftward↔️rightward), and compressing/compacting Ramy's Frames towards the center from the top, left & right sides ⬇️➡️⬅️ (to decrease the frame height & width) ...... Very Cheap
Also, the lighting of the recent Mr. Olympia contests is so bad compared to those taken place prior to 2016 ..... Maybe to have room for manipulating the public opinion (politics) .. N.B. 👉 .. Ramy's forearms look smaller due to the manipulation .. as his pictures are COMPACTED .. starting from the 3rd pose, especially the 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures that have been boldly compacted from the top, left & right sides
@@ahlawymasry8743 what does this have to do with big Lenny ... you should be making a separate comment on your own. How dare you discuss anything but bit Lenny here🤬
It's hard for most people to be compared against Dorian Yates when he was at his best that's the reason of why he's a legend in bodybuilding as we all know the 90s was the best era and he (Dorian) was the best in that era full stop
Ramy just doesn’t look good in any pose, awkward posing, poor flow, and unusually bumpy legs. Dorian literally dominates him in every way
I agree Rob - 100%
Agree
I disagree, his side chest is pretty untouchable
@@scottw3780 I agree, side chest is his best pose whereas Dorian was never particularly great in it. That's THE ONLY pose Ramy gets an assured point in.
@@dj_m19 yeh, Yates worst shots were front double bi and side chest, every other shot was almost perfect and hit perfectly every time.
Ramy side chest would stand up to anyone, I can’t think of anyone who could beat him if judged honestly
To be honest over grown quads and un proportional legs dont look great on Ramy...Dorian is balanced and better ....
Dorian yates baby please..... Legend.
I love your content. You are a true bodybuilding fan and it shows.
Dorian 95 was his peak.. it was 93 conditioning with freaky size
yep, the only reason his 93 version is more praised is because of the bicep tear. Other than that the '95 version is superior in pretty much every aspect
His tore biceps messed with his simmetry. 93 was much better
Dorian's back has something you don't see anymore and that's the Christmas tree.
Good choice , and for me from the very beguining of the fight, Dorian will win easy ;
That era of bodybuilders were just wow.
Size, conditioning, structure and overall competition.
Yates forearms are massive
Too bad his bis and tris are tiny.
@@mattbudesa3038 21.5 inch arms, certainly not tiny. His triceps were great, the horseshoe in particular. Ramy's arms may be bigger in overall size, but the quality of the muscle or separation simply isn't there. Pathetic.
I am a minute and a half in and the commentator just said what a match up concerning front double biceps and that Dorian "may" have the edge on calves. WTF is this guy seeing? IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Dorian wins every pose, every body part. And if they were doing rear lat spread side by side, you would hear the crowd laughing at Ramy's lack of Christmas tree and calves that were recently featured on America's Most Wanted. Dorian is as dry as the Saharan desert, and way better separation. The sport has gone down the tubes. THAT'S RIGHT I SAID IT!!!
You're comparing 1993 to 2020. You forget the drug profiles available then vs now. Dorian is a better bodybuilder hands down. Even skeletal structures are different considering Dorian started as a ectomorph. Also note the hamstring difference. And muscle quality
@TheLusianPopa do some more research bud. When dorian started out he was ectomorphic, possibly ecto-meso.
Ramy’s quads totally overpower his calves, Dorian has better proportions and he’s super shredded. Ramy has done well though, I’m glad he won the Olympia
Yates is on another league
Need to remember, all of Ramy’s pictures here are from just ONE show, but all of the pictures of Dorian are the very best ones picked from his entire career.
If you were to put Ramy on a stage next to Dorian he would outsize him, just like he did with Phil & Brandon. It would be close but I still think Ramy would win.
The pics are of Ramy at his very best and in current 1080p image technology(that Dorian didn't have). For fun, imagine this taking a giant crap on Ramy on the same stage, lol: ua-cam.com/video/sWwIJA_VIpU/v-deo.html
Rami's calves look melted
Dorians conditioning is on another level. Even in the legs department, OK, the width wasn't as wide, but they look better from a perspective of the striations.
Dorian torches him
I think Ramys trainer thought well he has big legs lets try to get them like Tom Platz but the golden eagle had the best dame legs all dat long! Tear drop for days imagine them on Yates with Arnolds upper chest!
Dorian is so much better
No doubt Dorian is better in many poses but there was poor lighting effect in Olympia 2020
Why did 90’s competitors have calves????
Because it’s part of the body
I think dorians physique seems to flow better where as Ramys quads seem to stick out too much in certain poses
Dorian looks like a high schooler playing in the NFL next to Big Ramy. The legs and overall size is just too different
Shape, structure and conditioning are factors in judging man, if it was all about sheer size we’d had all different Olympia winners, not sure how you can’t see that. Dorian makes Ramy look like he’s still amateur level in most categories.
wait a minute somebody actually thinks ramy won this?
@@robk5745 How? Ramy’s structure is objectively better. Wider clavicals, thicker bones (as is more obvious if u see before and afters for both bodybuilders), and his torso and legs are proportionately long. As for flow, Ramy has quads as wide as his waist and lats that are twice as wide while also tapering into his waist. Both are equally symmetrical in general and dorian probably wins on conditioning, but he’s also wearing much more oil and is holding significantly less mass. So ramy wins on structure, flow, size, and tied for symmetry. If you want to give the more conditioned athlete the win then you might as well remove the word building from bodybuilding. Dorian’s success in this matchup is mainly to preserve his legacy and down to pure nostalgia.
@@NoName-ff6jz bro you are delusional, 90% of what you just said is pure bullshit. Ramy's lats are twice as wide? In what universe my guy, what universe?
@@NoName-ff6jz I disagree with almost everything you say here. I don’t think you understand what flow and symmetry is at all, because Ramy has very little of it.
Plzz do a comparison with (1997 Nasser el sonbaty vs big ramy 2020 this is gonna be a great comparison😊
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I have Dorian winning..Wow 27 years later.. imagine fast forward tech 27 years for Dorian with his will.. if not missing a meal from 83 to 97.. I love our big ramy but just imagine how dorian or Ronnie will be with all this advanced edge.. nuff respect
Insulin would have ruined his condition. He told that himself about his 1997 preparation. Ronnie had all the tools and was already using slin in 1998.
No way is dorian beating ramy man. He's more conditioned for sure but his size compared to ramy is just too much imo
Side chest, abs and thigh, front double bicep, most muscular easily go to ramy
“1:09 Calves, and that may be an edge for Dorian Yates”
Hard to listen to anything else said after this ...
Dorian 93 could not and will never be beat. Love Rami, he earned the title and right to be compared to 93
The Arnold bit was freaking hilarious, please please keep doing that 🤣🤣🤣
Why You make dorian looks bigger he was never 260 on stage
i really did not like ramy that much, i think it's crazy how the level of mr. olympia declined in comparison to the early 2000s and earlier. of course he looks crazy, but nothing compared to jay, dorian, ronnie and so on. he looked good enough to win, but not good enough to remind me of him forever.
It's like comparing a vintage range rover to a hummer. It's funny that ramy makes yates look aesthetic.
Big Ramy makes Dorian look aesthetic here,he didn't bring much of a different physique from the Arnold,yet he won the Olympia!
The lighting is so much better in Dorian’s pictures. Overhead lighting always seems like it makes the muscles pop more and shows more striation and muscle detail.
the lighting may be better, but the photo quality is not. It's miles behind in quality when compared to HD technology we have today
Big Ramy (Mr.Olympia 2020) vs Nassar el Sonbaty (Mr.Olympia 1997)
Dorian is more detailed, better conditioned, more aesthetic.
Ramy is gigantic but his conditioning let's him down here.
Nice comparison. Dorian wins by a mile, better conditioning and a much more complete physique, with his only real weakness in this comparison being his biceps. Big Ramy has too many relatively weak bodyparts, the calves, the back especially lower back and lat area, the midsection is too blocky, and to be honest his outer quads whilst amazing are actually overdeveloped which throws off his overall symmetry. The one thing big Ramy has in his favour is more overall size, but the conditioning is not on the same level. It would be interesting to see a comparison of Dorian 6 weeks out (the famous black and white photo shoot) versus this version of Ramy. The weights in that comparison would be much closer, although Dorians conditioning would be marginally worse than his eventual contest shape.
Dorian looks far better almost from every angle and in almost every pose. On the plus side, the guy has very good calves and forearms, which most of today's top bodybuilders don't!