Is fructose addictive?
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2024
- Paul Saladino & Mike Fave rebuttle a clip from Alex Lustig about fructose being an addictive property. They share why they don't believe that to be true and how sugar is really metabolized by the body.
Watch the full episode here: • Debunking Sugar Claims...
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Fruit was 100% addictive for me.
40 years ago, I gave up candy/pastries/sugary sodas, koolaid/etc.. I satisfied my sweet tooth with ridiculous amounts of "'healthy" juice. When I finally realized all that juice was a problem, I started eating a whole bunch of fruit. I could eat a full bag of tangerines and stll crave more fruit. I could eat a whole cantelope and still want more.
I developed fibroids and other growths. Had a lot of pain.
When I realized too much fruit was bad for me, I tried to eat it in moderation but whenever I ignored my cravings, I'd be sad, agitated
Finally discovered carnivore and fatty meat. If I go too long without eating, I might crave carbs a little bit, but hunger is no longer an "emergency" And I have no desire for sweets any more.
Same. I smelled a container of hemp seeds yesterday and had an urge to EAT IT ALL. I’m carnivore for 10 months. After a lifetime of volume addiction. No joke, tread softy with a ton of awareness. Today I dumped that container out to feed the birds, they’re loving it and I’m loving them filling up during a cold snowy Vermont winter.
I bring up the heml seeds because a carb/sugar addiction can be triggered by any foods containing carbs especially in combination with tasty fats, like a seed, nut or grain. Extremely addictive and why top formula for snack foods. That urge i had was identical to if I smelled a bunch of bananas.
@@AveMaria33777 nice! Yeah, even the squirrels eating the grains is a delight, eat em up yum. And I’m learning what birds actually love, not the standard bird mix - they love EVERY grain, dry or sprouted (of course I’m sprouting their grains, ha! If the ducks like it so would the chickadees and juncos and cardinals!) so: rice, lentils, cracked oats, oatmeal oats, rye berries, cornmeal, corn kernels, sunflower seeds of course, hemp seeds, millet. So fun!
I had the same problem with fruit. Thought it would be healthy to eat alot of fruit fresh and dried as long as I gave up all of mans crap food. Going 95% carnivore has stopped all my cravings for anything sweet.
@@AveMaria33777all I can say is this is not normal. Im not doubting in the slightest that the fruit was addictive for you and still might be. But there is a root cause you just solve in this case. Do you have A lingering candida issue? Where are you consuming enough animal protein and fat with those fruit meals? Where are you consuming enough water and salt around those meals? We’re you consuming enough salt with your meals? Was your micro biome healthy and populated enough to handle this fiber? Was your bile flow sufficient enough to lubricator this fiber through your intestines? Because the cravings could’ve even been a reflex to the inflammation this sun-optimally digested fiber was causing in your gut. A reflex to eat to push that food through.
So many variables. But The symptom you described is not normal
@@AveMaria33777 well that’s awesome! If you can consume fruit without binging, you are fine 🙂
I misread your dilemma or mixed it up with the other person’s comment.
I agree, I don’t think I’ll ever be 100% carnivore again. I feel that fiber/fruit is necessary for me to feel optimal.
I’m very intolerant to eggs. I hope to one day rectify it but they mess me up currently
Pleasure speaking with you Paul. These are all great points. Just because the body has built in mechanisms to seek out energy sources does not mean that they are inherently harmful. The idea that fiber inhibits the absorption of fructose seems like a rationalization. Hopefully Dr. Lustig joins you on your podcast to discuss these points 👍
Thanks for the podcast, it really made a lot of sense. Hope we get the opportunity to listen to Dr. Lustig's response
Really hope Lustig comes on the pod
Hi! I just watched a video with Dr Chaffe where he said "fructose kills the same areas in the brain as meth". Seems to be basing this on studies. Please do a response video!? Thanks!☺️🪷
There are literally all kinds of people with Continuous Glucose Monitors showing the difference between whole fruit and juice.
Have you not seen them, or are you saying they are fake??
you missed Dr Lustig's point, read his book Metabolical and then have an opinion, you are way off!
Fruit in general has never been addictive to me. Never been crazy on sweets. I'd say wheat is more addictive to me than any fruit. And cheese more addictive than wheat. Lol
True statement ❤
My experience as well. I wonder if ancestry plays a role. I know my peasant class ancestors quite literally lived off of wheat/grains and potatoes. Only way they survived. Nothing was a difficult for me to give up as sourdough toast. 😅
@@botanicalbecca8443
I think that are many factors that plays into eating satisfaction. Healthy gut lining and gut flora and having good grehlin/leptin sensitivity are important. Certainly ancestry and your own unique genetic are also key, as there are variation of different metabolic related genes that determine how well you utilize certain nutrients. And how the brain is wired probably makes a difference, I simply don't have much of an addictive behavior when it come to foods, and by foods I mean whole foods cooked at home, not processed foods engineered by food scientist specifically to create addictive consumption. I also know from personal experience mental and spiritual wellbeing, self confidence, play a big role as well.
I am certain that my amylase genes are good so I digest starch very well. I always feel great eating potatoes. If I can only choose one food to exist on, it's a tough call between potato or eggs.
The trend in all the meals I made, be it sourdough bread or pasta, I balance my carb intake with some fat and adequate amount of protein. This help lower the blood sugar spike as well. I know many nutritionist say to avoid fruits with other food, and don't mix carb with fat. It is what it is, at the end of the day, creating a satiating meal with adequate protein allows me to not over consume overall calories.
Same here wheat is more addictive than sugar fruit anything
Yeah, I'd say freshly baked bread with butter melted on it is more addictive than any fruit lol. Fructose is just an easy target, I guess!
People
Constantly underestimating how adaptable and how amazing the human body and digestive system is
If you have candida and eat fruit then the fructose feeding the candida is going to make you crave more.
Fructose would never reach the intestine and if it does you're in big trouble. Fructose is meant for the body, the bacteria/yeasts in the gut will ferment it in a way that will have the same effect as eating rotting fruit. Yeasts might even convert it to alcohol.
The only digestible carbohydrate that gut bacteria should receive is lactose, which seems to favor the growth of beneficial bacteria.
@@vincentturnt6635thoughts on caso-morphines in dairy
This is my case, too.
Everyone has candida. It's there to consume excess sugars. It blooms when you consistently eat sugar with fat, so it stays in the blood too long. Some people with immune issues also don't keep our natural candida population in check.
But even after several years of strict candida and parasite cleansing, the sight and smell of fresh fruit appealed to me. We're omnivores, it makes sense.
Truth🎉
Just because something has the potential for abuse doesn't mean it's bad. Especially in regards to evolution; not having an incentive to seek something out would speak to its *lack* of value or even outright harm. This is such a mind-boggling discussion.
Paul iwas keto /carnivore for 2year plus iwas having the the same side effects from it as you were .isaw your podcast about fruit and honey and went with your protocols.my friend it’s been life changing I’m 55in shape of my life and idont over do it with fruit or honey as my body just shuts it off when I’ve had enough .I really respect your views and your courage to come out and talk the truth and admitted that it’s not sustainable on carnivore when you were all in ta mate keep up the fight Sean Shropshire England .ps sorry about grammar.☘️💚
Paul, I have heard you mention before that the human body breaks down the sugar from fruits differently than processed sugar and artificial sugar. Would you mind elaborating on that matter? It would be extremely beneficial for a lot of us. And it is the science I am wanting to hear.
Thank you so much for all that you do for those striving to thrive!
Hey Paul, can u do a video on heavy metals, and heavy metal chelation to improve health?
Would be awesome
Currently chelating my self. Not always smooth sailing but it's worth it in the end.
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib whats ur protocol?
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib how u chelate?
The funniest part is where Huberman admits having massive sugar cravings, so much so that he can't even resist *berries* when he sees some lmao. The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
I will take Dr. Lustig advice any day. He also has years of clinical experience actually “taking care of patients”.
Logical fallacy
@@jasonR2appeal to authority and experience fancy
what do you think of shilajit, i just discovered some videos that say its incredible... also i have had diarrea after having a big amount of fruit juice is this normal?
also how many heart and soil pills shoukd i take , mixed beef organs, joints,bone matrix and hole oackage into the same bottles and im taking around 5-8 in the morning and also night what if plants are tricking us to consume their fruit just for their benefit but really for ours thei might be drugging us, i eat 5 bananas 1 mango and now eating around 8 oranges while i listen hahah
Paul, unfortunately where I live I cannot get raw dairy. However I found a “low temp pasteurized” grass fed cream top milk at a farmers market near me. It says it only gets heated to 140 Fahrenheit. Is this an ok alternative?
could also just make kefir from that, will digest all the lactose and stuff and be easy to digest and lots of benificial good things in there
Seems better than ultra pasteurized!
When I started eating fruit after carnivore, I craved the fruit once I started. I really don’t think dr lustig is wrong here, or at least, he is at least onto something because I find myself thinking of fruit when I started adding it to my diet and I seek it out over fatty protein rich foods.
That’s because carbs are a better energy source than fats. We preferentially don’t want to eat fats beyond their structural, hormonal, and other non-energy uses because our bodies generally operate better off glucose. So it would make sense that once you incorporate carbs, you then crave them because you are glycogen depleted and now your hunger is signaling your body’s desire to refill them and become glucose fueled again.
@@owengresham5190thank you, you save me the typing.
@@owengresham5190 What about heroin or cocaine? Same argument?
@@wreagfe not every craving is necessarily a bad thing. One could say sleep deprived people “crave” sleep, but the “craving” is a good thing. Drugs like heroin and cocaine stimulate certain hormones, but there is a compensation afterwards (borrowing tomorrow’s happiness for today). Glucose is a stress reliever because cortisol is stimulated whenever glucose levels in the blood are too low. Therefore glucose not only makes you feel better and satisfies the craving, but actually solves the problem of low blood sugar which caused the cortisol rise.
Paul I applied to be in your documentary and sent you 4 emails with multiple videos! I would love to work with you! You are my hero :)
Paul can you please address PAH's and HCA's in regards to cooked meat?
I think you guys completely missed the point, perhaps because Dr Lustig wasn't clear enough in the podcast and fleshing things out more in his book.
The addictive properties are an issue because they cause people to overconsume products with added sugars or HFCS. The fiber in fruit will satiate you more and slow your ability to consume the sugar. Look at how many oranges are in a glass of orange juice - you can slam that in 3 seconds.
Your take on fiber and blood glucose is very odd...? We can all go on instagram and UA-cam and see plainly people testing whole fruit vs juice on their continuous glucose monitors. Glucose Goddess does this all the time. There is CLEARLY a difference.
Bats require fructose to produce Vitamin C. How could he just gloss over that and say that fructose isn't required for any vertebrate.
Fruit bats especially, require fructose.
Let’s be honest here. It all depends on what study you want to believe and that’s disturbing because one may not know what to believe (according to what study). I think most would agree that sugar IS addicting, based on what their bodies are telling them. Interested in knowing what you think the reason is that food companies use so much sugar?
Hi, what about fermented fruit?
Doctor Bro! I was doing keto and intermittent fasting despite being skinny fat to fix any possible insulin resistance or metabolic issues. I felt great. No brain fog, mental clarity, no hunger or cravings etc., However, I lost 14 pounds of fat and now I look quite skinny. (32 YO, Male, South Indian, 5 feet 7 inch height weighing 58Kg ). Now I need to build muscle. Knowing its an uphill battle to build muscle quickly on low to no carb diet like keto, I switched to your recommendation of incorporating fruit as carb source accompanied by resistance training. Mostly compund excersises 3 days a week full body. The thing is, when I eat fruit (apples, pineapples ) and honey in the morning along with organic milk (pasteurized, in Canada we dont get raw milk), I dont feel that good. Something is off in my gut. The peacefulness I used to have when fasting or taking mct oil coffee is not there anymore. What is happening ? Is it just a transition phase that will wear off ? Please help. I feel OK when I eat a bit of white rice though along with lamb/ grass fed beef / pasteured chicken curry or stew.
Fruit, eggs, honey, cheese and milk breakfast is upsetting a bit. Even more when I through in whey protein powder post workout in milk.
Please advise 🙏.
Use a different carb source other then fruit. I don't do well on fruit and lose the peaceful state of mind you are talking about. Choose a healthy carb but just eat that carb with meat. So eat say potatoes with meat. However, find out how much of that carb you can eat with fasting still have energy. Maybe you can eat some rice that provides you with 50 grams of carbs and that is enough to fuel a workout and provide you energy throughout your fast. Find the right balance. Fructose makes me feel anxious. However I literally just eat 100-200 grams of potato or sweet potato with an avocado and meat. That will equate to somewhere bwtween 20-50 grams of carbs. So I'm still low carb, fasting and working out. But you can easily go up to 100-150 grams of carbs, it depends on your body However see if you can maintain and build muscle on 50ish grams of carbs with fasting. Just my suggestion but if not helpful experiment and you will find the right answer.
@@asdf1991asdf OK. I tried keto and working out too but I want to take advantage of insulinigenic effect of carbs for higher anabolic activity temporarily to accelerate muscle building. So now, I am not approaching it with an intention of being in ketosis. I'm OK with my liver not producing ketones and using glucose for fuel as long as I maintain a bit of base line insulin levels for a period of atleast 12 hours in a day. So I can afford to go till 150g carbs (600 kcal) a day in my eating window. Once I put on some muscle, I would like to get back to prolonged fasts and complete low carb as that made me feel fantastic. For some reason I feel invincible when I do a 2-3 day fast and feel no fatigue at all. I can't wait to get back to that once I put on enough muscle weight. For now, it doesn't make sense to me why White rice being a processed carb is making me feel OK while fruit being natural carb is doing funny stuff with my gut. May be because one is pure glucose and other is fructose and fructose can only be metabolized by liver bypassing the insulin pathway. I would rather stick to rice, meat, yoghurt, eggs and Sauerkraut.
@@bhaskarbharath cool sounds good. You have a plan of action. If you look up cole robinson snake diet he uses half s teaspoon of pink Himalayan salt with half a teaspoon of potassium chloride in 1/2 litre bottle of water they allows him to fast without energy loss as it provides adequate electrokytes. You could see if omad/keto provides you with sufficient energy to do low carb and workout. Just a suggestion but your current plan sounds good to me as well. Just find your threshold for the right amount of carbs. If you are doing one weight lifting session per day you might be able to get away with 50-100 grams of carbs, plus with the snake juice (potassium/salt water) then you may able to workout with fewer carbs.
Why are you inclined to add fruit and honey to your diet, even when it makes you feel uncomfortable? Every other Dr in the carnivore realms advises against it. Just curious.
@Lamz.. I didn't know how fruit would make me feel as this is the first time I'm trying it in almost 3 years after I did keto diet. Prior to that, I was eating a bunch of crap along with fruit identical to standard American diet so didn't particularly know fruit's effect exclusively. Currently I've tried it only 3 days in a row and it's not a good experience. I think I'm done with it once I finish the pineapple 🍍 completely as I like it's taste NGL. I feel much better on glucose carbs like Rice, mashed potatoes and even pasta despite being processed. But somehow fructose messes me up. Be it natural fruit or high fructose corn syrup or processed fruit juice. Atleast that's what I've observed unless I'm missing something.
Hey can you tell me if greens organic powder is also considered bad?
Yes, because as far as I have learned now, we are not supposed to eat vegetables and fruit. Especially not when it's all poisoned. I still have it at home... not going to touch it! In the meantime I think supplements are a moneymachine as well. Just me and my celtic salt now.
Next narrative: Eating is an addiction.
Only if what you're eating aren't giving your body the adequate nutrients it required (specifically cater to your metabolic health).
Dr Saladino goes surfing prety much every day . Since water is about 25 times more thermally conductive than air you burn a huge amount of calories just staying warm. So your experience may differ. That being said I bought some apples to judge for myself. I ate an apple and a star fruit 2 hrs ago and they satisfied my appetite.
Have we considered that both steak (saturated fat) and fructose are addictive? I know I definitely prefer steak or fried chicken over baked/grilled chicken or fish. I see saturated fat like ammonia and bleach. It's ok alone, but if combined with enough sugar, you get sick.
So is oxygen and water, what a concept, addictive, my body knowing what’s best for itself, ingenious.
Oxygen and water don't make you sick, and you'll die without these.
I just think if fructose is so addictive why people not just buying bags of sugar and eat it or make their own sweet drinks? like no one does that
sure everyone is buying energy drinks and stuff but like if the sweet is actually the addictive thing why don't people just go and buy tons of sugar and eat it?
we have very few pure fructose sources. they all mixed with glucose which as far as I can tell. is fairly disgusting. it's rare for people to eat bags of sugar but they will make high sugar drinks and cake. namely hot chocolate, milkshake, ice cream, fizzy drinks, alcohol cocktails
Is glucose spiking the same when eating fruit together with protein and fat than without?
No. It's been proven that if you eat greens or veg, then protein and fat with fruit or sugar last, blood sugar doesn't spike. Jesse Inchaupse has those studies in her book, Glucose Goddess.
We tested those theories using a blood glucose meter, we found it to be true.
I knew raw foodists who swore by having a few Brazil nuts or cashews with fruit.
@@Kinesiology411 the other day I saw a video on UA-cam where a girl was doing these tests. There where no spikes in her glucose but I thought it could be a personal issue and not in general....thnx for the answer ✌🏻
@@Misty_J you're welcome! We were skeptical but it turned out to be true.
Interesting info. Shame Robert didn't want to discuss it...
Dr Lustig knows there's nothing to discuss with Paul. Paul never had a practice, the only thing he's good at is pulling up bunk science reports to prove himself right, Vegan Gains style.
I think people need to access self control in general. Know ahead of time what you will eat for the day. Have those foods on hand and leave it at that.
I always thought that meat and other animal foods would also activate that region bcs why wouldn't it?? So I've always wondered why they only talk about fructose doing this.😅
maybe fructose is addictive because our bodies crave it for good reason, beyond our smug macro explanation to everything.
y'all are conveniently ignoring that people will eat fewer whole oranges [because they'll feel stuffed faster by the other parts of the orange] versus drinking orange juice which goes down easy.
So yes, carb-matched to do the comparison, but they forget that people will consume fewer whole oranges. Important point!
Also, the difference in the rise of blood glucose may not be dramatic, but it is not insignificant either considering that one is above 100 and the other below.
hi dr. Saladino can i start carnivore if i have fatty liver ?
I only ever have fruit cravings if I’m dehydrated. I think that’s the case with most people.
Nah, I drink plenty and when fresh fruit is in season, like a ripe peach, I absolutely want to enjoy them.
Maybe for dehydrated folks, but plenty of people enjoy fruit for the gorgeous aroma and flavors, textures too.
@@Kinesiology411 I am not saying people don't enjoy fruit or eat fruit for the sake of eating it. I am saying that when you don't have carbs, you end up pissing out all your electrolytes QUICK and then crave it.
@@zachrat9083 OK, ut then that's more about low carb madness and the chain reaction.
To be honest I only eat fruit or crave fruit for taste. it's like cake to me
My brain just never was able to recognise it as a major food source and I always and to walk away and find some"real food" whatever that meant. I now recognise that to be fatty red meat and a little dairy eggs and fish
My husband and I are transitioning to a way of eating informed by Saladino and Salisbury. Dr Salisbury recommended 2/3s carnivore with a little bread, less fruit, “vegetables like celery and tomato only as a garnish.” Sounds good to me.
Hey Paul, I am wondering if you have ever discussed the lymphatic system ( elimination system) there always seems to be a discussion on blood, but the lymphatic system is 3-4 times larger and is lipid based. Where there is a lot of research to show people are dehydrated and its side ffects I hardly hear anyone talking about being... delipidated** ( lacking in lipids for the lymphatic system ,cholesterol etc) - I believe there is a lot of benefits from removing seed oils, and replacing with saturated fats to re"lipidate" (like rehydration) of the stagnant lymphatic system to enable the processing of metabolic waste / toxins out of the body efficiently.
Would like to have a chat about this
If anyone knows of another word for suffering from delipidation ( lacking lipids in lymphatic system) please let me know
crap, I'm addicted to good steaks! I need to check into rehab!
That's like saying, "is the atmospheric air addictive?" " Is water addictive?" Do you see the absurdity?
quitting fruit was the best for me
What is bad about starchy foods like potatoes, grains
Please talk about Ayran like you have talked about Kefir
Doesn't fructose stimulate appetite? I remember learning that somewhere and notice that after i eat fruit about half an hour later I feel hungry so I feel there's something to it personally. But maybe it's just cos I eat the fruit alone so I have a slight blood sugar dip. I find it really interesting seeing pics of medieval feasts and it was meat and fruit together. Seems a lost art, eating like that. Assuming it was healthy.
It varies so much depending upon the person. My husband and I ran a 2 year fruitarian diet experiment on ourselves. I felt satiated by fruit meals, he always felt ravenous. Our responses to a fruit diet long term were soooo different.
I was eatting 1.5kg meat, 2kg fruit, 400g rice and a liter of milk per day... xmas hit so had ice cream and some home made cookies entered the mix. After xmas i decided to eliminate fruit and milk, and aim for more sesonal eating... Cookies, dairy no issues giving them up but fruit was crazy!!!!! Never felt an addiction like it in my life, it took 2 weeks for it to dicapate.
Very bad u crazy
does coffee have heavy metals? I can't make sense of those studies! Please help
Yes
I think candies are addictive but a fruit is something you enjoy but not in an addictive way like m&m,'s and thoudand of others.
*Mesoamerican Nephropathy (MeN)*
_"Addressing the hypothesis that relates kidney damage to increased uric acid production, it would be advisable to avoid sugary and alcoholic beverages, thus controlling the load of fructose and the activation of pro-inflammatory mechanisms."_
What would you drink if you were dehydrated in that region? dirty water?
or bottled soda / fruit juice?
kudos to 'vlmd rounds'
Fruit was addictive to me. When I couldn't end the day with it I would get the shakes.
That sounds like a blood sugar issue, not addiction.
@@Kinesiology411 How do you develop blood sugar issues, you reckon?
@@Lamz.. oh my god, seriously, lol? No, fruit does NOT cause blood sugar issues, not even when you eating nothing but fruit. Did it for years myself. The fact that they are shaky BEFORE having fruit means something is wrong with their blood sugar regulation in general. That doesn't come from fruit. Look up the very large and longstanding community who heal diabetes on all or high fruit. That wouldn't be possible if fruit caused blood sugar issues, sport.
Eating trash
@@Lamz.. Processed foods, processed seed oils break your metabolism, then you can't process sugar like a healthy person.
Wish you held a Carnivore retreat in Costa Rica for a week.Viewer from Vermont.
What's the ethical status for a "doctor" to be addicted to fruits and fructose, and then claiming that carbohydrates must be part of everyone's diet?
What is your opinion on coconut milk?
I have answered this question extensively previously. But in short, coconut milk beverage is just processed junk, the tricalcium phosphate may be unhealthy to kidney. There is very little actual coconut in the drink. Traditional thick coconut milk used in Asian cooking is the healthy kind, minus the added preservatives, but it is high fat and calories and is not for drinking. If you want healthy coconut milk beverage, buy a real coconut and blend the water and the meat yourself.
@@erikahuxley Thank you 👍🏼
No but dairy and raw milk is! This concerns me a little. Any thoughts on the casomorphins found in dairy and how it can be troublesome for many with immune issues. Thanks
Milk is great for some, not for all. Like any food.
It's fairly presumptuous to think that we have addictive circuits in our brain that are still important for consuming fructose. What is far more likely is we have the circuits for valid food sources. glucose and lactose. and it was *hijacked* by a sugar genetically engineered by plants to be *more sweet* than lactose too trick us into eating it. if the plant needs actual food storage it would use sucrose, or starch or triglycerides like every other living thing on earth.
but for some *strange* reason they landed on something extraordinarily sweet to mammals
i crave fruit in the same way as saturated fat or meat..
All of which are positive in the right amounts.
Paul! Please try oriental sweet potatoes
I know you recently tried white rice and white/yellow potatoes into your diet and you got brain fog as a result.
Try oriental sweet potatoes and Ube in small amounts. Centurions in Okinawa swear by it and so do I
I would love to see how your body responds
Daily living means that most people don't get near enough sunlight. Tropical fruit that's higher on the glycemic index are eaten where there's lots of sun exposure. Lower glycemic fruits become more prevalent the farther you are from the tropics. If you notice the people where you live starting to darken, go for the tropical fruit. If not, stick with lower impact ones instead. Meat and fruit give us everything to thrive, but you need the right health parameters to naturally regulate hunger. If your Vitamin D levels are low (and the majority of people's are) you'll crave sugar and carbs much more than is healthy. Stated daily values are often too low because obese people need 2-3x more supplementation than someone at a healthy body fat percentage. Have your blood checked by a doctor.
I think this is over analyzing… When I eat fruit during the summer I gain 5 to 10 lbs. I tend to burn that off in the winter.
I do not eat fruit in the winter.
I am a fruitarian, carnivore didn't work for me.
And I can say with certainty, I am not addicted to fructose.
If I had choice, I would choose not so sweet foods.
Paul, I think a lot of information was missed from your guest on what Dr Lustig was saying. First, there is not enough context in the video versus what he says in his book Metabolical. Dr Lustig is very keen on the health of the liver and its role of metabolizing fructose, which was his main concern. If your guest read his book, you will know the liver is the only organ that metabolizes fructose , which is the main problem. Please read Dr Lustig's book and have better guests that dont reference videos, because Dr Lustig is focused on Metabolic Health and agrees with your recommended diet. His theme is clean gut and healthy liver which both of you did not bring up. Cheers
Yes fruits can be addictive. An Adventist friend who is vegan cannot just eat one Mango, he must eat 5 or 6 at one go. He craves certain fruits. Definitely a sign of addiction.
You see drawings of hunters with bows and arrows going after big herbivores in these ancient caves, dating as far back as 40,000 years. I am not sure these out-of-Africa people ate too many fruits. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The out of Africa theory isn't so certain anymore though.
Humans survived and thrived by being omnivores. You can bet that if an ancient human came across fruit anywhere, they'd feast on it
I don't handle fructose well. One orange or half an apple is enough to give me bad, bad bloating.
That's bcs of the fiber, not the fructose.
Do you live somewhere with a history of water damage or old carpet?
@botanicalbecca8443 this has been a problem for me in a few different homes, so it may not be the environment. In my specific case, I think the sugars are triggering a yeast overgrowth.
@@MF-rw3rb I think it might be SIBO. I have that and I bloat from whole fruits but not from fruit juice.
@MF-rw3rb that makes sense. I was just asking because I experienced similar years ago, and it turned out to be mycotoxin illness from toxic mold where we were living at the time. I hope you find answers and healing soon!
Yeah sure fat triggers the reward center aswell but an important difference is that once you had enough animal fat, the body doesn't want more, once the body is satisfied you will stop eating.
But with sugar that doesn't happen, Most people can eat A LOT of sugar both in the form of processed sugar & modern fruit.
if our anchestors went past a fruit tree or a berry bush.. would they stop and eat? or walk away?
I think they would eat the fruit. I also think they would dig up roots and herbs to eat with their meats.
We're omnivores, they'd eat anything they safely could.
@@stevenbrown6593 im not so sure about that, maybe.
Hunter gatherer traditionally eat up to 11grams of potassium a day. Some of it have to be from plants foods.
@@tallesttreeintheforest Thats okay. My theory is if you're out hunting and building camp you will get whats in season and not let food go. That might include plants or fruits.
I could eat bananas all day. I crave the taste and texture of them
We did a week long banana only fast once, lol. The first 5 days were great, then put bodies were done. The craving for savory foods were intense.
I find bananas do the same to me. So highly addictive! I've ditched them and feel much better now.
@@lf7065 or maybe the magnesium and potassium they're loaded with are what your body is craving. There is no other logical reason to specifically crave a banana, lol. You'd crave any fruit if that was the issue.
Yeah, they are highly addictive because of the sugar content.
@@Lamz.. literally no one on earth is "addicted to bananas" LOLOL
Your diet basically a Carnivore diet and fruitarian mixed.
Animal based
Animal foods and fruit with milk and honey....gee, that's almost a standard healthy diet once upon a time.
My diet is carnivore, mixed with fruitarian, vegetarian, pescatarain, mediterranean, tropical, paleo, nordic, asian. Also known as an omnivore diet.
@@erikahuxley lol, same!
It’s paleo
you are missing Alex Lustig point, taking text out of context. I recommend people listen to the whole video and many more of his on the problems associated with sugar addition and processed food. I am not sure what your motivations are with this sort of video.
Fruit is highly addictive for me. Ive given up all processed foods and fruit cravings replaced soda and candy cravings
Talk about fructose intolerance
Addiction is psychological.
What about sex. Doesn't that access reward centers?
Anyone will justify an addiction. Fructose addiction is no different. Nobody seeks out tart sweet bland fruit. So the issue here is not fruit. The issue is fructose. Blood glucose only measures GLUCOSE not fructose. So comparing eating an orange versus drinking orange juice is not accurate in terms for measuring fructose absorption. However, we chew oranges releasing the saccharides. Therefore, fiber is really irrelevant.
The fruit that our ancestors hundreds of thousands of years ago was nothing is nothing like the fruit that we eat today. The sugar content of today’s fruit is much higher
There was no fatty meats hundreds of years ago. The fat content of today's meat is much higher.
i've never been addicted to fruit.. red meat is like candy to me and i can easily overeat it as a petite female.
You can get addicted to sex… does that mean we don’t have any? Addiction is not just the substance.
Sounds like we can drink fruit juice without getting paranoid that we are spiking our blood sugars more than when we eat a whole fruit?! 😅 I really appreciate your podcasts Paul because i have had an ED for many years and gradually you are unprogramming my mind from the false fears i used to have about eating certain foods. I used to fear full fat cheese and milk. Now I drink raw goats milk and eat unpasteurised full fat cheese. Thank you Paul for being able to eat fats without guilt anymore. Sounds like i might be able to do the same with fruit juice!
Dr. Saladino is changing too much for me. From Carnivore, to fruits, to honey, now fruit juice. What’s next - HFCS is OK.
Fresh juice from fruit and veg had always been healthy. Same with honey and raw fruit.
He’s said that now for over a year. He hasn’t changed except from pure carnivore.
I just gave up eating period, no problems so far.
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if you're going to take his words out of context, then you can make whatever inference you want. Lustig's claim was that fructose is addictive. Full stop. He did NOT make the claim that fructose is bad because it's addictive. You did not refute that fructose is addictive, but went on some tangential rant about how just because something activates the reward center of your brain, doesn't mean it's bad. Okay, that's not what Lustig said...
Your explanation about how fats and carbs activate the same reward mechanism is one I haven't heard. Anecdotally, when I was eating carbs, I was hungry most of the time. I could eat way past the stage where I was full and not be satiated and still want more food. And if I didn't eat 3+ times a day, I would get hangry, uncomfortable, STARVING, and would overeat on my next meal. I remember eating three bowls of cereal, and then going to work, and within two hours of eating, i felt hungry again. However after going carnivore and becoming fat adapted, I quickly fill up to satiety on fatty meat, feel satiated to the point where I didn't want to eat anymore, and then don't think about food for a day or two until a mild hunger started creeping in. The signaling is night and day different between a carbohydrate-based diet and a fat-based diet. You cannot binge on a high fat diet if you're fat adapted. You can overeat if you force yourself, but it's in no way "binging". Yes when you don't eat for a while you use your fat stores for energy.... what's your point? Humans wouldn't have survived for millions of years if we had to eat every 12 hours. What did they use for "fats" in that rat study? just fat? tallow? I'd bet my life it wasn't JUST animal fat.
Coming from a former sugar addict, there's no shot in hell that steak is as addictive (if it's addictive at all) as fructose. Your theory doesn't align with reality. The study is wrong.
"Fructose is vestigial for humans." Fructose activates the reward mechanism because that's how our ancestors evolved. In order for us to lose that ability, there would have to be an evolutionary advantage to NOT having this mechanism in order for us to lose that mechanism. And on that topic, the fruit we have today is MUCH higher in fructose than the fruit we had thousands and millions of years ago. We're getting very very unnaturally high ratios of fructose in our fruit. It would stand to reason that the fruit we have today will give us an unnatural reaction to the amount of sugar in our fruits. We didn't evolve to eat such high concentrations of sugar. Those levels of sugar simply didn't exist.
Our ancestors for at least the last 250 million years at 80% meat, and 20% fibrous roots. No fruit. That is a matter of fact. Not my opinion. Not some poorly constructed study. That's based on stable isotope analysis from the bones of ancient humans.
This was a pretty low quality assessment, in my opinion. I'd love to see Bart Kay react to this.
Fructose in whole Foods? No.
Hfcs, which is the only way they've ever tested fructose, sure.
Don't screw with Lustig!
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Yes fructose is addictive...in my case it is.
It's so cringe when people say sugar is addictive... Of course it is it's because we need it or want it what's the problem with that.... The only reason it's non-essential is because our body will make it, if we don't eat it...... Making it basically essential for life
Fructose not but the steak is.
SALADino still trying to defend his sugar addiction. Sugar is poison. Period.
DEBATE BART KAY!!!!
Carnivore is a cult. How do I know? I was one.
no one should waste time debating hateful toxic people
@@erikahuxley You shouldn’t talk about SALADino the CARBivore MD like that. That’s not nice. He may be wrong and afraid to debate Bart Kay, but that’s uncalled for. 😂
He's a caffeine addict who's in a rage 24/7. He's wrong about many, many things.
Fruit is not poison. Every cell in your body prefers glucose, that's just a fact. This brainwashing is really insidious.
Our Small intestine is twice the size of a chimpanzee Small INTESTINE. So we might absorb a lot more glucose / Fructose From food WHICH might spike our blood sugar quicker than what would be seen in a chimpanzee. So I would.be cautious eating a lot of fruits.
Actually, we don't all have intestines which are the same length. There's quite a difference among humans, surprisingly. Which probably helps to explain why some thrive on more veg and fruit, and others thrive on more animal foods.
Fibre bad for my gut, so no thank you. Meat is just fine.
If Paul saladino stopped exercising and continued eating the same amount of sugar each day I'm 99% sure within a 1 year he would get somewhat fat and develop problems.
I'm not against sugar, it's just the amount that he consumes that is absurd and sugar shouldn't be eaten everyday.
In order word taking things out of context and pretending common sense don't exist. He repeatedly said to adjust carb to your lifestyle and energy expenditure. If you work at the office 9-5 and go home to watch netflix, you don't need to eat 3000 calories or more than 150grams of carb day. Even 150grams of carb is 600calories, depend on your metabolic capability, controlling your fat intake and choosing quality whole foods source of carb, getting adequate protein, it's probably alright for a healthy person.
@@erikahuxley Lmao calories don't matter, it's almost impossible to gain body fat from animal fat even if you you ate 3000 calories a day, however with sugar & "carbs" it's very easy since everytime you eat it your body will convert a certain amount of the excess sugar into body fat.
So his whole point has nothing to do with what Dr. Lustig ACTUALLY said. Got it. Horrible video.
Yep. I will stick with dr. Lustig
Dont let the door hit you on the way out😂😂🤡
Really dying on this hill huh?
Thriving.
is Paul finally coming to his senses, oh wait nevermind
@@adrielbadillo1942the op is throwing shade, implying that fructose is addictive.
Fruits are addictive look at Saladin he stared with small amount of fruits and now adding more and more every day his more frutarian than carnivore lol
No he's not, stop exaggerating. He is finally realising that extremes aren't necessary or healthy.
Sugar Addicts Eponymous :)
No fruit for me thanks.
Come on Paul, you can do better ! Do not ruin your fame !
Mike is just a Registered Nurse (RN), not even a doctor.
I'm sure he had more greater biology and health insights than Dr.Lustig ;;;
I take the RN that knows his science holistically over an admittingly knowledgeable but reductionist doctor with tunnel vision.
@@erikahuxleydoctors aren't given much education on nutrition and wellness. It's just not a focal point. It should be but diagnosis and treatment are what they spend more time on. This is why the MDs I worked with as a trainer for professional teams were respectful of those who made nutrition and human performance their life's work.
Lol fructose causes 10x glycation.
Nope. The studies on fructose have all been done using massive amounts of a chemically extracted syrup. There has never been a single study on the effects of fructose via whole fruit. Not once.
The difference is massive. It's the difference between pure mountain spring water and the water run your toilet bowl.
I was a fruitarian for years, then shifted to eating an omnivore diet with loads of fresh fruit in season and fresh oj all winter. I'm 53, no wrinkles, look way younger than coworkers my age.
I don't smoke, drink, take drugs. Those age you.
But fructose via whole fruit? No. That's absurd.
Fructose concentration is 1000 times less fasted and 10 - 50 times less proprandially than glucose, so who cares.